Calling out Lvisaa2!

[ErickStevens]

I checked out your log (no homo). The weights (and volume) you're pushing are crazy for your bodyweight.

Vids ASAP please.

kthnxbai

[lovingit]

Lee's physique is ridiculous. He's done such a great job. =) <3

[ErickStevens]

Lee's physique is ridiculous. He's done such a great job. =) <3

No doubt, his transformation has been amazing!

But back to the topic at hand - Vids.

[HunterCML]

Proof of strength or negs.

[sawoobley]

Amazing physique, brah.

[PBateman2]

LOL....uh-oh.

[braggable]

in4vids

[snorkelman]

Proof of strength or negs.

LMAO. I know that I cannot be the only one who had a certain animated gif flash through their head....

Also in for vids of Lvisaa2 moving serious weight.

[NegatronPrime]

LMAO. I know that I cannot be the only one who had a certain animated gif flash through their head....



The woman in red is watching you

[PWOGasMan]

In on call-out thread.

What are the claimed numbers?

[ErickStevens]

In on call-out thread.

What are the claimed numbers?



1) Back Squats - 5 sets -For these, you don't go to parallel. You don't go to slightly below parallel. YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. ATG. GET DAT A$$ TO THE GROUND. 245x8, 245x8, 245x8, 265x7, Deepppp and burning, but do we stop? NOPE. DROP SET 245x6, 205x18. This was the first time doing heavier back squats in a while. I'd been focusing on front squats for the past 2-3 months. These will be an area of focus. They need to get back up to where they were. They WILL get back up to where they were.

4) SLDL - 4 sets - Squeeze on these. Really focus on the hammies and glutes. Don't pull with the back. Thrust them hips. 275x11, 295x9, 315x7, DROP SET, SIR! 315x4, 225x6, 135x8

1)BB Decline Bench Press - 5 sets - Love starting with these. Gets the blood flowing through the whole muscle. Really raise my chest into these. Focus the contraction on the pecs and EXPLODE. Don't gingerly lift the weight. Toss it around like you're doing something. 245x9, 265x8, 275x6, 275x6....then... DROP SET 275x6, 225x5, 135x16. Yep, 16. It ain't heavy weight, but that deep in this burnnnnnssss.

2)DB Bench Press - 5 sets - Favorite chest exercise. Good ROM, unilateral focus, and slamming weights around. If you can lightly put your weights to the floor on every set, then you aren't pushing hard enough. After a set they need to literally fly out of your hand from exhaustion. 110x7, 110x7, 110x6, 110x6.... Naturally, DROPPING DOWN 110x5, 75x5. These were feeling good. Next week I'll hit 110 for 7 on all sets. The next week I'll start incorporating in 115s. That's not a maybe. THAT'S A PROMISE

3)Incline Bench Press - 5 sets - Enjoy doing these on the smith machine. The slight graded slant hits the upper chest at the perfect angle. Do these negatives SLLLOOOWWW then EXPLODE. 160x13, 200x8, 220x6, 220x6, up next DROPPING DEM BOMBS... 220x5, 160x6.

4)Incline Flye - 4 sets - On these, don't go 1/2 way, 3/4th of the way. Extend that motion and really pop the chest at the boom. GET DEEP. 65x10, 70x6, 70x6, 70x6


All at ~175lbs BW. Shiit is crazy, yo. I need to see it.

[mkal]

All at ~175lbs BW. Shiit is crazy, yo. I need to see it.

I'm definitely impressed with the benching, but not so much the squats / deadlifts.

[illiniStrive]

I'm definitely impressed with the benching, but not so much the squats / deadlifts.

Yeah, I mean, I could do that.............








I just don't feel like it :p

[ErickStevens]

I'm definitely impressed with the benching, but not so much the squats / deadlifts.

Yeah, I'm not surprised you're not impressed. Seeing as how you have the proportional strength of an ant and all that. ;)

[fad3d]

I have no reason to not believe the guy, but Im a skeptical hippo with the 315# SLDL, 70# DB flyes & 31 reps @ 110# db press...

[PhiSig2298]

So what happens if he can't provide vids? Just assume he's lying? Hope I never get called out because I'm usually the only guy in my gym (although my lifts aren't impressive enough to be called out anyway)

[ErickStevens]

So what happens if he can't provide vids? Just assume he's lying? Hope I never get called out because I'm usually the only guy in my gym (although my lifts aren't impressive enough to be called out anyway)

It's easy to record yourself. In this day and age everybody has a cell phone with a video camera feature. Hell, even iPods have built in video cameras now. I use a Flip Cam myself but then again I'm a super-anal form Nazi with myself.

[PhiSig2298]

It's easy to record yourself. In this day and age everybody has a cell phone with a video camera feature. Hell, even iPods have built in video cameras now. I use a Flip Cam myself but then again I'm a super-anal form Nazi with myself.


Yeah I'm not saying it's impossible but taking a vid of yourself fapping is a lot easier than squatting.. I just hope he provides vids somehow


Edit: so ive been told

[NegatronPrime]

It's easy to record yourself. In this day and age everybody has a cell phone with a video camera feature. Hell, even iPods have built in video cameras now. I use a Flip Cam myself but then again I'm a super-anal form Nazi with myself.

does you have to put your flipcam pretty far back from you to fit in the shot? mine is annoying

[ErickStevens]

Plus if it wasn't for posting vids, Chad would still be squatting like a homo and deadlifting with a broken back!

[Andrew_S]

Inoncalloutthread to say I respect the guy and don't need vids, but watching lifting videos is always fun so that's good too. :)

[NegatronPrime]

Plus if it wasn't for posting vids, Chad would still be squatting like a homo and deadlifting with a broken back!

and you wouldnt have been able to own that guy who was calling you out a while back saying its impossible to keep good form when deadlifting heavy.

datwaslolz

[HunterCML]

Plus if it wasn't for posting vids, Chad would still be squatting like a homo and deadlifting with a broken back!


lol..

I have nothing to say, because it's true.

[PhiSig2298]

Well he's online now & visits the nut misc on the regular so I'm sure he's seen this thread..


Hopefully he's uploading the vids now! I have no reason not to believe him but it would be cool to see the vids

[ErickStevens]

Inoncalloutthread to say I respect the guy and don't need vids, but watching lifting videos is always fun so that's good too. :)

Why do people say shiit like this? I don't have any ill will towards the dude at all, even if he doesn't post vids.

[Lvisaa2]

I did chest yesterday. Upper power 2 days before that. Lulz 3 chest in one week

With that being said, I will go tomorrow and get a video of DB Flat even though it's shoulders day. Is that good enough? I'm not much for videoing as it makes me somewhat self conscious/look phaggy considering I'm not monster.

Also, I felt as though you could have done this in a more respectable manner.

Edit: Somewhat tempted to go to the gym now and do it. Even though I've already worked out and have work in like an hour.

[ErickStevens]

I did chest yesterday.

With that being said, I will go tomorrow and get a video of DB Flat even though it's shoulders day. Is that good enough? I'm not much for videoing as it makes me somewhat self conscious/look phaggy considering I'm not monster.

Also, I felt as though you could have done this in a more respectable manner.

You must be new here.

BTW, don't mess around with your split on account of little old me. Maybe some military press vids tomorrow?

[ErickStevens]

and you wouldnt have been able to own that guy who was calling you out a while back saying its impossible to keep good form when deadlifting heavy.

datwaslolz

Oh yeah. "You can't deadlift 2.5x BW with good form if you eat cereal." brb posting vid of 545 x 1

[Lvisaa2]

I'm definitely impressed with the benching, but not so much the squats / deadlifts.

Yeah my legs are by far my weak(er) parts. Everything needs to get bigger/stronger though.

[Xfaxtor]

Yeah I'm not saying it's impossible but taking a vid of yourself fapping is a lot easier than squatting.. I just hope he provides vids somehow


Edit: so ive been told

IN for fapping vids...

[Phrak]

Oh yeah. "You can't deadlift 2.5x BW with good form if you eat cereal." brb posting vid of 545 x 1

damn my form must be terrible since i enjoy a lot of cereal...

[NegatronPrime]

Oh yeah. "You can't deadlift 2.5x BW with good form if you eat cereal." brb posting vid of 545 x 1

The smile was the best bit.

nohomo

[ko300zx]

In 4 nudes

[snorkelman]

BTW, don't mess around with your split on account of little old me. Maybe some military press vids tomorrow?

^^ I agree. It doesn't seem like anyone really is doubting the numbers. Seems more like seriously impressed with some of them. Dude, if you put up some vids in the next few days, you will probably earn green respect from multiple people.

[fad3d]

^^ I agree. It doesn't seem like anyone really is doubting the numbers. Seems more like seriously impressed with some of them. Dude, if you put up some vids in the next few days, you will probably earn green respect from multiple people.

Yeah, when I say skeptical, I mean I will be blown away when I see it.

[Andrew_S]

Why do people say shiit like this? I don't have any ill will towards the dude at all, even if he doesn't post vids.

I didn't say anything about your intentions. I said I respect him (great shape, nice lifts, helpful), I don't need vids (it's not going to hurt me in any way), but that watching lifting videos is fun. ?

[juliacheh]

OMG
Erick is one of the most awesome and humble dudes on this board and one of the few people I can tolerate from the contest prep section.
You just have to get used to his style a bit:)

[Andrew_S]

OMG
Erick is one of the most awesome and humble dudes on this board and one of the few people I can tolerate from the contest prep section.
You just have to get used to his style a bit:)

Not sure if this was kinda to me, but I like him and I'm not mad/taking offense to anything. Just saying that I didn't mean my post that way either. :D Play on!!!!

[ErickStevens]

^^ I agree. It doesn't seem like anyone really is doubting the numbers. Seems more like seriously impressed with some of them. Dude, if you put up some vids in the next few days, you will probably earn green respect from multiple people.

This is the tradition of the "call out" thread. They only get ugly when the person in question either a. Doesn't deliver or b. Does deliver and has horrible form. The dude's physique definitely backs up the numbers, so I have faith.

in4vids

[TXguy33]

in 4 vids.

[Lvisaa2]

Now let's preface this. A. Upper body power on saturday. B. Monday 32 sets(I think that was the number) of chest. C. Today, ~50 sets of back/bi. D. All my daily calories sitting on my stomach. E. No warm-up. Completely cold. F. Come @ me.


110X5 - 2 sets. If you want further proof. Next chest/tri day I'll get recordings when I'm actually working out and properly warmed up.

Go to 50 seconds to avoid all the sh!t.

7jxlGAEhO9Q


2nd hasn't uploaded yet, but I have to go to work. Like I said. If you want I can post videos of when I'm actually doing that work out, but I'd prefer not as it isn't really my style.

[NegatronPrime]

Now let's preface this. A. Upper body power on saturday. B. Monday 32 sets(I think that was the number) of chest. C. Today, ~50 sets of back/bi. D. All my daily calories sitting on my stomach. E. No warm-up. Completely cold. F. Come @ me.


110X5 - 2 sets. If you want further proof. Next chest/tri day I'll get recordings when I'm actually working out and properly warmed up.

Go to 50 seconds to avoid all the sh!t.

7jxlGAEhO9Q


2nd hasn't uploaded yet, but I have to go to work. Like I said. If you want I can post videos of when I'm actually doing that work out, but I'd prefer not as it isn't really my style.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/14837/this_thread_delivers_ups_chick_amazon.jpg

[ko300zx]

Possible record on time from call out to delivery.

[fad3d]

Those DBs looked like foam to me

gjdm, impressed. Measley reps on me!

srs: How could you have your earbuds in with the Get Your Wings version of Train Kept a Rollin on the stereo???

[TXguy33]

Now let's preface this. A. Upper body power on saturday. B. Monday 32 sets(I think that was the number) of chest. C. Today, ~50 sets of back/bi. D. All my daily calories sitting on my stomach. E. No warm-up. Completely cold. F. Come @ me.


110X5 - 2 sets. If you want further proof. Next chest/tri day I'll get recordings when I'm actually working out and properly warmed up.

Go to 50 seconds to avoid all the sh!t.

7jxlGAEhO9Q


2nd hasn't uploaded yet, but I have to go to work. Like I said. If you want I can post videos of when I'm actually doing that work out, but I'd prefer not as it isn't really my style.

impressive. It seems like you would be able to get even more if you kept your head in line with rest of your body and your feet flat on the ground for better balance. Beast though. Does your gym go higher than 110 lb dumbbells?

[PBateman2]

@Lee: Good shyt. Nice work.

[Lvisaa2]

That gym goes to 120 but I never go there. I have access to 4 gyms but usually use my universitys gym which goes to 130. Ive seen people say to keep your feet planted. But I don't notice a difference and tbh I don't focus on it. When I lift I'm focused on moving heavy weight not focused on every intricacy. Forget micromanaging, acquire instinct

[ErickStevens]

GJDM. I still want to see some of those other lifts. Especially squats!

[2canman]

That gym goes to 120 but I never go there. I have access to 4 gyms but usually use my universitys gym which goes to 130. Ive seen people say to keep your feet planted. But I don't notice a difference and tbh I don't focus on it. When I lift I'm focused on moving heavy weight not focused on every intricacy. Forget micromanaging, acquire instinctthat's freaking awesome man! reps to you for actually delivering, unlike many others on BB.com...

[jak3e1992]

Yeah my legs are by far my weak(er) parts. Everything needs to get bigger/stronger though.

I believe him, I'm stronger for my weight/height too..

[snorkelman]

I'm on spread for OP but I'm sure I will be repping you again soon. I hear ya on the not chest day and going in cold, but since it is expected in call out threads to give some constructive criticism, here's mine:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2sah2za.jpg

[TXguy33]

That gym goes to 120 but I never go there. I have access to 4 gyms but usually use my universitys gym which goes to 130. Ive seen people say to keep your feet planted. But I don't notice a difference and tbh I don't focus on it. When I lift I'm focused on moving heavy weight not focused on every intricacy. Forget micromanaging, acquire instinct

I work out at my universities gym also and ours only goes up to 110 (not that i'll be concerned about that anytime soon). I was just wondering because it looks like you could get dem 120's pretty easy on a chest day. I got 90x7 on my last set Monday (was pumped). I agree with forget micromanaging, acquire instinct, but when I focus on trying to push my body through the bench and keeping my legs balanced and still it helps me a lot. I'm hoping one day I can get up to dem 110's though. mirin brah.

Edit: (was pumped)....as in excited. feltgoodman.

[SideSteal]

Now let's preface this. A. Upper body power on saturday. B. Monday 32 sets(I think that was the number) of chest. C. Today, ~50 sets of back/bi. D. All my daily calories sitting on my stomach. E. No warm-up. Completely cold. F. Come @ me.


.

Repped. ^ Delivered the goods.

[waatsgood]

in after lvisaa

[PerpetualMotion]

Judging by some of the responses, I think some people won't like my comments but I don't think he delivered. The ROM wasn't particularly good, especially on the later reps where the arms didn't even make 90. This is how I personally do my DB press and look how deep Kroc goes:
Wq5NswVQ7wI

Just my two cent and it isn't a jab at him or putting down what he accomplished. He does lift insane volume and has a stellar physique, so I can't take that away from him. :p I thought I'd follow the criticism up with some ass kissing. ;)

[ErickStevens]

I go lower too. I make sure the DB touches my chest.

[TXguy33]

I go lower too. I make sure the DB touches my chest.

me too.

[PhiSig2298]

me too.

Me three

[PBateman2]

Judging by some of the responses, I think some people won't like my comments but I don't think he delivered. The ROM wasn't particularly good, especially on the later reps where the arms didn't even make 90.

Mine never go 90.









































Biceps get in the way...hahahahhahahahahhah!!!!!!

Couldnt resist:D

[foodpr0n]

In! :d

[TXguy33]

Me three

haha, I get it.

[Andrew_S]

Me three

I pinch my nipples when bringing it down...works like a pause, but better.

[2canman]

@ Manu: lol! but do they really get in the way that much? ;)

[PBateman2]

@ Manu: lol! but do they really get in the way that much? ;)

LOL..no.

IMHO - form is very subjective. I'll leave it at that:)

[Lvisaa2]

I'll try to make this.coherent but longer posts are always more difficult on the phone.

First off, I find it rather saddening that I even need to defend myself. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't try to be arrogant, aside from my log I think I've had maybe 2-3 posts ever even mentioning my lifts. All of this came about simply by me posting a log - I was initially hesitant to even do one. It is somewhat out of my character and out of my comfort zone. I had contemplated doing one before but decided against it. I finally decided to do one, because I wanted two things - to watch my progress in a real form, but more importantly I hoped that someone, just at leats one person, could find something they enjoyed it. Read Manu's log and he is a constant inspiration. I hoped that one person who was tired, sore, frustrated or just having a bad day could open my log and find what they need in it. It seems crazy that people would care enough to demand a video of me. Maybe this is how the internet works, but I would wager few would think this appropriate in real life. But let's move on.

I try to get good form on my lifts. Elbows to 90( I see no need to go lower or even to exactly 90), but that is not my primary focus. I will quote paraphrase Manu from a previous comment in his log: I don't worry about perfecting every detail - rep cadence, breathing, etc. I see heavy weight and I move it. For me, micromanaging every minute detail detracts from my lifting experience. I don't lift to get big, to make money, or to impress females - I lift because I love it and it enhances my life. For powerlifters, etc. I can see the need for worrying over perfect form, but for me I don't see the necessity. Tbh, I've been only seriously lifting for ~ 10 months. Id say my current style produces results for ME. I'm not saying it will work for others but where n=1 and the population=1 then anecdotal evidence is strong.

Either way, you do you. I'll do me. If you don't like it then I suggest putting me on ignore and not visiting my log. I don't intend to start flaunting what I can or can't lift, but Ialso don't intend to stop striving to better myself or hopefully provide motivation for others, because my ROM was slightly less, especially considering all the things I prefaced the video with.

Inb4CalmDownBro

[ErickStevens]

I'll try to make this.coherent but longer posts are always more difficult on the phone.

First off, I find it rather saddening that I even need to defend myself. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't try to be arrogant, aside from my log I think I've had maybe 2-3 posts ever even mentioning my lifts. All of this came about simply by me posting a log - I was initially hesitant to even do one. It is somewhat out of my character and out of my comfort zone. I had contemplated doing one before but decided against it. I finally decided to do one, because I wanted two things - to watch my progress in a real form, but more importantly I hoped that someone, just at leats one person, could find something they enjoyed it. Read Manu's log and he is a constant inspiration. I hoped that one person who was tired, sore, frustrated or just having a bad day could open my log and find what they need in it. It seems crazy that people would care enough to demand a video of me. Maybe this is how the internet works, but I would wager few would think this appropriate in real life. But let's move on.

I try to get good form on my lifts. Elbows to 90( I see no need to go lower or even to exactly 90), but that is not my primary focus. I will quote paraphrase Manu from a previous comment in his log: I don't worry about perfecting every detail - rep cadence, breathing, etc. I see heavy weight and I move it. For me, micromanaging every minute detail detracts from my lifting experience. I don't lift to get big, to make money, or to impress females - I lift because I love it and it enhances my life. For powerlifters, etc. I can see the need for worrying over perfect form, but for me I don't see the necessity. Tbh, I've been only seriously lifting for ~ 10 months. Id say my current style produces results for ME. I'm not saying it will work for me but where n=1 and the population=1 then anecdotal evidence is strong.

Either way, you do you. I'll do me. If you don't like it then I suggest putting me on ignore and not visiting my log. I don't intend to start flaunting what I can or can't lift, but Ialso don't intend to stop striving to better myself or hopefully provide motivation for others, because my ROM was slightly less, especially considering all the things I prefaced the video with.

Inb4CalmDownBro

tl;dr

[NaLLa8705]

tl;dr

you are one cheeky kunt mate i swear....





Lvissa2 you are getting nothing but love itt. Calmdownbro. Its just the interweb. I would only have to assume that the reason he wanted to see in the first place is because of some mutual respect.

[Geoloop]

The smile was the best bit.

nohomo

link to thread and video please :D

[ErickStevens]

link to thread and video please :D

Cliffs: IIFYM vs Clean eating argument breaks out, somehow deadlifting gets brought up, I mention I have a 2.5xBW DL while eating cereal as my main source of cho, bro-douche says he will eat his own crap or something if I post proof, this happens:

JDa56rCz7F8

[Lvisaa2]

tl;dr

Dammit I debated between inb4tldr and calmdownbro. Bad choice was bad.

@NCE the length of my post does not signify an absence of calm, but rather reflects my nature of writing. The post was simply an enumeration of my thoughts. I picked my majors well ;)

[ErickStevens]

I feel you. Stream of consciousness = Diatribes.

[Cumulonimbus]

Not to start a sh!t storm, but the ROM could have been deeper.

[Geoloop]

Cliffs: IIFYM vs Clean eating argument breaks out, somehow deadlifting gets brought up, I mention I have a 2.5xBW DL while eating cereal as my main source of cho, bro-douche says he will eat his own crap or something if I post proof, this happens:

thanks for cliffs, loled at you smiling.
nice video subbed to your youtube channel.

[fad3d]

I dont know how you guys DL so damn much, I can barely get 1.5xBW off the ground

[Cumulonimbus]

Cliffs: IIFYM vs Clean eating argument breaks out, somehow deadlifting gets brought up, I mention I have a 2.5xBW DL while eating cereal as my main source of cho, bro-douche says he will eat his own crap or something if I post proof, this happens:

JDa56rCz7F8

Real men squat full out sumo, not hybrid. Get on that hip strength DAWGGGGGGGGGG

[ErickStevens]

Real men squat full out sumo, not hybrid. Get on that hip strength DAWGGGGGGGGGG

"Squat"? Do you even lift?

[NegatronPrime]

Cliffs: IIFYM vs Clean eating argument breaks out, somehow deadlifting gets brought up, I mention I have a 2.5xBW DL while eating cereal as my main source of cho, bro-douche says he will eat his own crap or something if I post proof, this happens:



forgot to ask,

are you lifting 'sumo' stance there?

I feel i can keep my back a lot straighter and get more leg drive with that stance, yet people keep telling me its no good for tall people.

what fuk?

should i disregard this and go about my lifting/how do you find it compared to contemporary stance?

[ErickStevens]

I had trouble rounding my back when pulling traditional, so began pulling with a stance somewhere in between regular and sumo. I've found this "hybrid sumo" stance works better for my particular biomechanics. Although I have been temped to try out full sumo because of the reduced ROM, I haven't done so yet because my sticking point is off the floor and not at lock out.

[Cumulonimbus]

"Squat"? Do you even lift?

Sorry Ian and I were conversing and I had a major brain fart because he said something hilarious.

n/h

But no, I do not lift.

[NegatronPrime]

I had trouble rounding my back when pulling traditional, so began pulling with a stance somewhere in between regular and sumo. I've found this "hybrid sumo" stance works better for my particular biomechanics. Although I have been temped to try out full sumo because of the reduced ROM, I haven't done so yet because my sticking point is off the floor and not at lock out.

same. back rounds more than id like normal stance but with arms between knees it stays a lot straighter although because ive never really stuck to it, i doubt i could lift as much so its something ill work on and stick to in the future.

my sticking point is also off the floor but once it gets to knees its fine. i feel i can drive my heels a lot more with that stance too

[ErickStevens]

After my run through with Sheiko #37, I'm going focus on more deficit deadlifts and speed work. Hopefully that helps.

[NegatronPrime]

Eesh. good luck.

If i had time, id love to try sheiko & smolov

[kkaustin812]

@Lee- that's awesome, can't wait for moar vids. On spread but I got you later.

-What is ROM?*

-What flavor of dat dere celltech do you guys prefer? Bananabolic?



* lol ROM = range of motion... hur durrrrrrr

[desslok]

Diatribes.

Probably from too much carbs or wheat....

[HunterCML]

I'll try to make this.coherent but longer posts are always more difficult on the phone.

First off, I find it rather saddening that I even need to defend myself. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't try to be arrogant, aside from my log I think I've had maybe 2-3 posts ever even mentioning my lifts. All of this came about simply by me posting a log - I was initially hesitant to even do one. It is somewhat out of my character and out of my comfort zone. I had contemplated doing one before but decided against it. I finally decided to do one, because I wanted two things - to watch my progress in a real form, but more importantly I hoped that someone, just at leats one person, could find something they enjoyed it. Read Manu's log and he is a constant inspiration. I hoped that one person who was tired, sore, frustrated or just having a bad day could open my log and find what they need in it. It seems crazy that people would care enough to demand a video of me. Maybe this is how the internet works, but I would wager few would think this appropriate in real life. But let's move on.

I try to get good form on my lifts. Elbows to 90( I see no need to go lower or even to exactly 90), but that is not my primary focus. I will quote paraphrase Manu from a previous comment in his log: I don't worry about perfecting every detail - rep cadence, breathing, etc. I see heavy weight and I move it. For me, micromanaging every minute detail detracts from my lifting experience. I don't lift to get big, to make money, or to impress females - I lift because I love it and it enhances my life. For powerlifters, etc. I can see the need for worrying over perfect form, but for me I don't see the necessity. Tbh, I've been only seriously lifting for ~ 10 months. Id say my current style produces results for ME. I'm not saying it will work for others but where n=1 and the population=1 then anecdotal evidence is strong.

Either way, you do you. I'll do me. If you don't like it then I suggest putting me on ignore and not visiting my log. I don't intend to start flaunting what I can or can't lift, but Ialso don't intend to stop striving to better myself or hopefully provide motivation for others, because my ROM was slightly less, especially considering all the things I prefaced the video with.

Inb4CalmDownBro

You seem a little butthurt from a friendly callout thread. Most people in here admire and respect your progress bro, no need to take offense or feel like you have to defend yourself.

[PerpetualMotion]

I had trouble rounding my back when pulling traditional

same. back rounds more than id like normal stance

You guys hatin' on mobility and stretching drills?


Although I have been temped to try out full sumo because of the reduced ROM

Beats the **** out of your hips. I always cycle it personally when I do deadlift.

[NegatronPrime]

You guys hatin' on mobility and stretching drills?



Beats the **** out of your hips. I always cycle it personally when I do deadlift.

nope, i just cant keep my back straight when lifting from the floor because of my height.

my gym just got new 55lb plates which are taller than the 44lbs so that might help.

but stance is preference. I literally cannot keep my back from rounding with contemporary stance.

[Ghosting]

Cliffs: IIFYM vs Clean eating argument breaks out, somehow deadlifting gets brought up, I mention I have a 2.5xBW DL while eating cereal as my main source of cho, bro-douche says he will eat his own crap or something if I post proof, this happens:

[youtube]JDa56rCz7F8[/youtue] Strong look and smile is strong. Good stuff bro. :)

[chuyortiz]

You seem a little butthurt from a friendly callout thread. Most people in here admire and respect your progress bro, no need to take offense or feel like you have to defend yourself.
agreed.

[Cumulonimbus]

You guys hatin' on mobility and stretching drills?

They're bomb. I always do them.

Beats the **** out of your hips. I always cycle it personally when I do deadlift.

Exactly. Even though the ROM is shorter, if you have weak hips, then it will kill you.

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Bold.

[ko300zx]

nope, i just cant keep my back straight when lifting from the floor because of my height.

my gym just got new 55lb plates which are taller than the 44lbs so that might help.

but stance is preference. I literally cannot keep my back from rounding with contemporary stance.

Give partials/racks a try?

And Lvisaa, don't get so defensive about a little criticism. You've made better progress in 1.5 years than 95% of the people on these forums and you did so in a deficit for the majority of the time. You should be damn proud of that. Keep doing what works for you. Take in the criticism, and if you feel its worthy of looking into more, do it, if not, keep on doing your thing. It's obviously working.

[NegatronPrime]

^did racks for the first time the other day. most ive ever pulled off the floor waaaaaaayyy earlier this year was like 340lbs, but i imagine its gone up slightly because ive got a sh!t tonne more leg power now.

rack pulls in my gym, because im tall and the rack is kinda low, im pretty much pulling them from in line with my knees rather than slightly above, but pulled 460lbs.

gonna test deadlift from floor tomorrow. will report back :P

[narismen]

On the sumo hybrid deadlifts, do you guys feel that it lessens the work for your back? Or an I just doing it wrong? Lol

Ps: sorry for the thread jack. Very nice Lvisaa

[Lvisaa2]

So I revisited this today and tried to take a different approach. To take the different views - analyze them and then try to learn from them. With that being said - I went back again and re-taped. This time trying to get deeper - being warmed up/fasted/not having already done a workout - definitely made my strength better. Here are the videos. You're welcome to critique. I will give my thoughts at the end. BTW, if you don't want to watch 'em all. I thought the 3rd video was the one I hit pretty consistently.

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Set 2 - This one I felt the best, but I'm a fkwit and deleted the video while trying to watch it. 7 reps and like I said I felt like this was my best/deepest set, but can't say for sure since I didn't get to watch it.
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These I did after my whole shoulder workout. Just wanted to hit it again to re-affirm my initial conclusions.

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In the end, this is the conclusion I came to - going deeper while it does definitely feel different, I don't know if I necessarily like it more or whether I thought it was more difficult. The main difference I felt was more work in my tris and a little bit less in my chest. I'll see if I can find a video of this later, but some more well-known BB'er was discussing his more limited ROM on bench and how it isolated the chest more(inb4BB'ersAreIdiots). So while neither good or bad, I think it would be dependent more on your focus of the exercise/preference.

For those that would like to follow along here is my log - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=138008903&p=750311643#post750311643 /shameless plug.

Also, this actually made me a little less hesitant to videotape - while I still won't do it much, I'm no deathly afraid of it anymore and can definitely be effective to check form. Additionally, Benching 4 days since saturday... lulz bro'ing it on the chest

[ErickStevens]

If you don't film anything else, I'd like to see squats and deadlifts (if you do traditional ones).

[Phrak]

The deadlift is such an individual lift. Everyone has a slight variation that allows them to pull more. In general taller people have more success with a more narrow stance due to a longer/larger hamstrings. Long legs in a sumo stance recruit more of the adductors i find, which is a weaker muscle for me. I can pull 650 conventional but only like 340 sumo.

[phal]

The deadlift is such an individual lift. Everyone has a slight variation that allows them to pull more. In general taller people have more success with a more narrow stance due to a longer/larger hamstrings. Long legs in a sumo stance recruit more of the adductors i find, which is a weaker muscle for me. I can pull 650 conventional but only like 340 sumo.

Wowza. I can't pull **** doing sumo either but that's a huge difference haha :P

On topic of vids I'm going to record myself for the first time in, well, ever. Hope to pull 545 on Sunday :)

@lvisaa, vids looked much better this time around.

[snorkelman]

Lvisaa2, you definitely went lower on those. I bet later tonight/tomorrow you will feel a bit sore. I hear you on the ROM, and I respect that there certainly can be reasons to not use a full ROM. As an example, after my shoulder surgery, I had several PTs tell me to never have my elbows go below parallel when benching. Thing is, with my normal grip on the barbell, I never have the bar touch my chest if I don't let my elbows go lower. I kinda feel like a dork and have to check my ego at the door. I am more concerned about not hurting my shoulder again, and I am cool with having other dudes at the gym think that I am using a smaller ROM to try and lift more weight. I personally do my limited ROM on barbell bench, and then I go over to dumbbells and do some heavy flies. Everyone is a little different, but I really enjoy flies and I feel like they really work my chest just fine and give me a good pump. I also do some cable work for chest too, but that is just personal preference.

I notice that your head still is always elevated on your DB bench, and that may be harder to break. If you don't care to, that's fine, but I agree with whomever posted above that you probably will be able to lift more weight (and/or better control the weight) if you firmly plant your head on the bench. There is a dave tate video out there where he is giving instruction about barbell benching where he talks about planting your head on the bench. IMO it is a technique that I found helpful for me. Give it a try. Sure it will be awkward at first just because you aren't used to it, so use lighter weight, but who knows, you may find it helpful. If not, that's cool. Just giving you feedback.

In the o35 section, the best threads IMO are those where someone posts a video and everyone comments on form. EVERYONE seems to take something away from the threads. Good luck, and keep up the good work, bro.

[Lvisaa2]

^ I'll give it a go. I notice I hold my neck pretty tense for most my exercises. In general it is where I keep all my tension. You should see me when I get a massage. It takes 20 minutes just for the massage therapist to get me to untense my body. Stiff like a board. I keep saying I'll incorporate some yoga or pilates or foam rollibg, because the flexibility/mobility would do wonders but I've yet to do it. If anyone has suggested routines id like to look a few over.

[feelsg00dmayne]

Cliffs: IIFYM vs Clean eating argument breaks out, somehow deadlifting gets brought up, I mention I have a 2.5xBW DL while eating cereal as my main source of cho, bro-douche says he will eat his own crap or something if I post proof, this happens:

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guy is the red is doing it right: curls in da squat rack.

[waatsgood]

Fawkk Eric. Mirin the dl. How much do you currently weigh?

[ErickStevens]

Fawkk Eric. Mirin the dl. How much do you currently weigh?

~205. Looking to pull 550+ weighing 198 at my meet.

[juliacheh]

Fawkk Eric. Mirin the dl. How much do you currently weigh?

about three fiddy:D

IIRC, 200 pounds.

ETA: damn, was off by 5 pounds.

[NegatronPrime]

Straining neck. Iknowdatfeelbro.

When i went for physio the other week the guy was like "srs from the top of your neck to the bottom of your back is like concrete, wtf have you been doing?"

I genuinely cant do certain exercises without straining my damn neck, which is bad because they sometimes trigger exertion headaches, which feel like a vice grip crushing the back of my skull.

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good lifts though bro

[alan aragon]

This time trying to get deeper - being warmed up/fasted/not having already done a workout - definitely made my strength better. Here are the videos. You're welcome to critique. Strong lifts, broski.

Also, there's no need to go deep since you keep your shoulders so abducted (elbows flared out away from the torso, crucifix style). As a matter of fact, depth is much more limited in the abducted position than if you did more of a powerlifting style press with the elbows closer to the body. Forcing depth in the 'crucifiix' path of motion you maintain in the vids would be a bad idea. If anything at all, you could try dropping your shoulder angle a little. From a bird's eye view, instead of your arms & torso forming a T at the bottom of the movement, you'd form more of a ↑.

I've found that doing this increases the amount of weight you can push, as well as the amount of available ROM. It also keeps the shoulder joint far from impingement through the path of motion. You'll still get a ton of pec stimulation since you're not completely closing that arm/torso angle. Also, any changes you make in your form will feel weird initially. They would have to be carried out for a few weeks straight before you begin to get comfortable with the new motor pattern.

Keep i nmind that all of this is just nitpicking. If the way you press feels good to you, and you're making gains (or maintaining) to your satisfaction, there's really no need to change a thing, since you're not doing anything stupid or dangerous.

[Lvisaa2]

s a matter of fact, depth is much more limited in the abducted position than if you did more of a powerlifting style press with the elbows closer to the body. Forcing depth in the 'crucifiix' path of motion you maintain in the vids would be a bad idea. If anything at all, you could try dropping your shoulder angle a little. From a bird's eye view, instead of your arms & torso forming a T at the bottom of the movement, you'd form more of a ↑.


I had never thought about the mechanical limitations that my arm positioning may have played. The above videos felt about to the limit of where I could go without my shoulders being torn out. I'll try to implement slightly reduced elbow angle for a few workouts and see how I feel with comparison to how I am currently doing it.

[alan aragon]

I had never thought about the mechanical limitations that my arm positioning may have played. The above videos felt about to the limit of where I could go without my shoulders being torn out. I'll try to implement slightly reduced elbow angle for a few workouts and see how I feel with comparison to how I am currently doing it.I used to press EXACTLY like you do in the vids. I now have my elbows dropped about 15 degrees lower than a straight-out T, and it makes a huge difference. It did take a few weeks to get used to, but I'm glad I made the adjustment.

[HunterCML]

If you don't film anything else, I'd like to see squats and deadlifts (if you do traditional ones).

in4 pulling/squatting vids.

Erick, in your video, what are you using as a shin guard? I need something. foreverbloodyshins.jpg



Also, c'mon bro. You have 600lbs in you before your meet. 3xBW DL ftw.

[Phrak]

Just rock some soccer socks. Or what ever knee highs you fancy.

I however enjoy the sight of blood after a hard deadlift set. Bar scars are like a badge of honor.

[NegatronPrime]

You mean shins chad?

If im not wearing trousers/pants/what ever you guys call them, I just let my shins shred. But i've seen people use deadlifting socks that pull up right to your knees. I think the brand METAL do them. Theyre the only ones ive seen anyway. Or just get some big socks you can pull right up to protect your skin.

My friend uses knee wraps to stop his knees getting scraped but he pulls from boxes so doesnt need to worry about lower shin damage.

[HunterCML]

rofl.. yeah, meant shins of course; edited.

Also, I guess I'll wear some old baseball socks that I have? Not really worried about my appearance. I just hate ripping open old scars every single week.

brb chucks and baseball socks

brb looking like a clown

[NegatronPrime]

id rather look like a clown and not be in pain lol.

but tbh im so particular about draggin the bar as close to my legs as possible that they end up damaged anyway. brb scars all the way up shins and current 3"wide bright yellow/green bruises top the top of my knee to the top of my quad from rack pulls rofl

[snorkelman]

Here is a female friend of mine who competes in a WADA tested federation sporting the type of socks discussed ITT:

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[HunterCML]

Here is a female friend of mine who competes in a WADA tested federation sporting the type of socks discussed ITT:

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Nice, form looks good as well. How much weight is she pulling there (just curious)?

[NegatronPrime]

Nice, form looks good as well. How much weight is she pulling there (just curious)?

335lbs title of da vidya

edit: nearly as much as the last time i deadlifted.

brb, stepping up my game

[deadpool9]

Erick, in your video, what are you using as a shin guard? I need something. foreverbloodyshins.jpg




In for response. I always wear pants to the gym, and DLs bruise my shins pretty bad, but its tolerable. But what really bothers me is the bruising I get right above my kneecaps.
I managed to pull 2.5 X BW 3x last night, but my knees are so sore today it hurts to walk.

[HunterCML]

335lbs title of da vidya

edit: nearly as much as the last time i deadlifted.

brb, stepping up my game

Oooo thanks I didn't see the title.

And fuark... I feel weak right now. I hope she's deceptively large in real life.

[snorkelman]

I hope she's deceptively large in real life.

Not really...http://i51.tinypic.com/8vx1qw.jpg

[ErickStevens]

I just bought a pair of these:

http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3433256&cp=&sr=1&kw=shin+compression&origkw=shin+compression&parentPage=search

[snorkelman]

^^ Those look like money well spent. Much more durable than cotton socks. I may have to get some myself.

[ErickStevens]

^^ Those look like money well spent. Much more durable than cotton socks. I may have to get some myself.

Since I train in Vibrams, long socks wouldn't work. Luckily I discovered those!

[sawoobley]

rNot really worried about my appearance. I just hate ripping open old scars every single week.


I must be doing it wrong:(. I've never scraped my legs or knees deadlifting and I wear shorts. I get real close but I don't drag the bar up my legs.

[kkaustin812]

I must be doing it wrong:(. I've never scraped my legs or knees deadlifting and I wear shorts. I get real close but I don't drag the bar up my legs.

All good workouts involve blood lol.

[snorkelman]

I must be doing it wrong:(. I've never scraped my legs or knees deadlifting and I wear shorts. I get real close but I don't drag the bar up my legs.

Here is a vid showing a good angle where you can see how the bar is in constant contact with the front of the leg throughout the ROM

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[sawoobley]

Here is a vid showing a good angle where you can see how the bar is in constant contact with the front of the leg throughout the ROM

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Interesting. Do you think bringing the bar 0.5-1" closer to my legs will make that big of a difference? I just tried it and it kind of messes up the flow of the lift IMO.

[ErickStevens]

Interesting. Do you think bringing the bar 0.5-1" closer to my legs will make that big of a difference? I just tried it and it kind of messes up the flow of the lift IMO.

When you get into the higher poundages it totally makes a difference.

[phal]

I generally don't keep the bar in contact with my shins/legs when I DL, I've seen it discussed in the exercise forum a few times and from what I gathered it's neither right or wrong.

[deadpool9]

I just bought a pair of these:

http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3433256&cp=&sr=1&kw=shin+compression&origkw=shin+compression&parentPage=search

I found these at Hibbett sports today, they look great for knee & shin protection, but I am worried they will get hung on the bar on the way up.
http://www.mcdavidusa.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=469&DEPARTMENT_ID=730

[Ryan314]

Coming from an Athletic Training student major, I strongly advise you firmly plant your head on the bench when performing DB press. You are severely risking C spine injuries keeping your head and neck elevated like that.