What should I buy with my budget?

[cphawkeye]

I was reading some basic guides here, but it won't do me any good until I purchase the stuff first. I own a stationary bike, and I'm willing to spend up to $2000 on equipment. I really have no intention of going to my local gym. I'm looking to add as much muscle as I possibly can (I'll try to be realistic here). I haven't done anything beyond biking and jogging.

Apparently I shouldn't buy Boxflex.

[bigrigfixer]

I had a bowflex LONG before I became a member here. I found I maxed mine out in the first couple weeks. At that point it pretty much became useless.

[qwan456]

The basic. A Power rack, a good 7' bar, 300lb of Olympic weights, and a FID bench.

Here's an example of what you could get:
Powertec Rack - $450
Rogue Beater Bar - $142.00
300lb weight set - $150-$200 at Dick's Sporting Goods, Academy, Sport Authority, etc. (or get them used off of Craiglist)

That's around $800 so far. You could get the Ironmaster Superbench with crunch attachment and adjustable dumbbells (upgrade to 120lb) for the money leftover.

[buffbrown21]

OP, you have a large enough budget to get outfitted just fine. You can go the route suggested above (Powertec rack, etc) or check Craigslist for some good used deals. Shop around.

[cphawkeye]

Thanks for the tips so far, I got everything measured and everything is good to go. I'm leaning towards the 90 lb adjustable dumbells from PowerBlock. I will say that I’m kind of disappointed that there isn’t a curling attachment for the Powertec.

Just wondering, will the Ironmaster Superbench fit in the Powertec Power Rack for bench pressing? I'm considering buying the Powertec utility bench plus one of their workbench accessories if I can't use the Ironmaster.

Why did you recommend the Rogue Beater Bar? I can’t imagine there being a big difference between any bar. I’m honestly willing to spend a few extra bucks for something that will look nice in a few years, but $142 doesn’t seem too shabby.

Does anyone think I should buy the Ironmaster mat for a carpeted room?

260 superbench
59 crunch attachment
677 adjustable dumbbells
500 power rack
142 rogue beater bar
200 weight set (still researching this one)
=1838 (shipping might add a few bucks)

niiiiice

[daniel327]

I will say that I’m kind of disappointed that there isn’t a curling attachment for the Powertec.



Powertec has an excellent curling attachment, but it is designed to fit into the PT bench

http://www.powertecfitness.com/product.php?id=workbench-curl-machine-accessory




Just wondering, will the Ironmaster Superbench fit in the Powertec Power Rack for bench pressing?



Yes, but you'll need to turn it around for incline bench and shoulder press




I’m honestly willing to spend a few extra bucks for something that will look nice in a few years.....



In that case you should consider the Body Craft F430 rack.

http://www.powercagereviews.com/bodycraft-f430-power-cage/

[Kodokan]

My opinion is a little different...I would buy a 1000 rack and skip the dumbells, at least at first. What you have laid out is a perfectly reasonable approach and could set you up indefinitely...but, this is what I would do. More simple, but maybe higher quality stuff with what you get for a great basic setup. It will also focus what you're routine is and help keep you going and making progress in my opinion.

1. Better rack. You'll be really happy to have the beefiest rack you can get. No wiggle or slop when you rack/unrack 300+ lbs, pull-ups, etc. It's the centerpiece of a great barbell workout program and will last indefinitely. No upgrades down the line.

There's a few options in this price range, legend fitness, rogue, pro maxima...for this example I went with the EFS econ rack with weight storage. 3x3 rack and rock solid.

$849+299 shipping.
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=391&pid=3234

2. Flat bench. You most likely have a long time before you need variation anyway. There may be a less expensive suitable alternative, but I have lots of rogue stuff and it's all good.

Rogue flat bench

$175
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-flat-utility-bench.php

3. Rogue Bar - less maintenance IMO and very good quality for the price. Much much better than the anonymous china bar you will find in Dick's. The quality of the bar is something you may take for granted, but you'll be happy to have a good bar that has rotating sleeves and is straight into the future.

$262. $37 shipping with the bench
http://www.roguefitness.com/the-rogue-bar.php

4. 2 horse stall mats from your local tack and feed store or tractor supply company.

$100 - these will be 4'x6'x3/4" rubber strong enough for horses and your weights to deadlift on. Just stick these together for a great 8'x6' area for barbell work.

5. That adds up to 1722...it would leave 278 to pick up as much used olympic weights you can find from craigslist, which I would definitely do and then upgrade later when you see a nice used set come up.

6. I might add the book 'starting strength' and dvd, because they are really great starting points for an intro to doing squats, deadlifts, bench, power clean, and overhead press. Great basic movements that if you put 100% into lifting would keep you occupied for years to come before you have to worry about anything else.

I really think what you have picked out is great, but just wanted to share my opinion as it's biased towards the type of workout I personally like, which is barbell focused. Anyway, have fun with your new gym!

[Keetman]

My opinion is a little different...I would buy a 1000 rack and skip the dumbells, at least at first. What you have laid out is a perfectly reasonable approach and could set you up indefinitely...but, this is what I would do. More simple, but maybe higher quality stuff with what you get for a great basic setup. It will also focus what you're routine is and help keep you going and making progress in my opinion.

1. Better rack. You'll be really happy to have the beefiest rack you can get. No wiggle or slop when you rack/unrack 300+ lbs, pull-ups, etc. It's the centerpiece of a great barbell workout program and will last indefinitely. No upgrades down the line.

There's a few options in this price range, legend fitness, rogue, pro maxima...for this example I went with the EFS econ rack with weight storage. 3x3 rack and rock solid.

$849+299 shipping.
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=391&pid=3234

2. Flat bench. You most likely have a long time before you need variation anyway. There may be a less expensive suitable alternative, but I have lots of rogue stuff and it's all good.

Rogue flat bench

$175
http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-flat-utility-bench.php

3. Rogue Bar - less maintenance IMO and very good quality for the price. Much much better than the anonymous china bar you will find in Dick's. The quality of the bar is something you may take for granted, but you'll be happy to have a good bar that has rotating sleeves and is straight into the future.

$262. $37 shipping with the bench
http://www.roguefitness.com/the-rogue-bar.php

4. 2 horse stall mats from your local tack and feed store or tractor supply company.

$100 - these will be 4'x6'x3/4" rubber strong enough for horses and your weights to deadlift on. Just stick these together for a great 8'x6' area for barbell work.

5. That adds up to 1722...it would leave 278 to pick up as much used olympic weights you can find from craigslist, which I would definitely do and then upgrade later when you see a nice used set come up.

6. I might add the book 'starting strength' and dvd, because they are really great starting points for an intro to doing squats, deadlifts, bench, power clean, and overhead press. Great basic movements that if you put 100% into lifting would keep you occupied for years to come before you have to worry about anything else.

I really think what you have picked out is great, but just wanted to share my opinion as it's biased towards the type of workout I personally like, which is barbell focused. Anyway, have fun with your new gym!





Man Kodokan, I hate to disagree with you, but telling a guy just starting to go buy an elite rack? Not sure I can go there yet. I just put one in my basement and its obviously overkill. I love it and appreciate the opportunity to get one for myself, I also understand why guys buy them, but a rack for a noob???? Maybe not. They're way expensive and way more than the average gym owner needs. I think this rack is for the guy that is in this for the long haul, knows it, and knows exactly what the difference is between the 700lb cage and the 200lb cage.

I could be wrong, just seems like an awful big expense for a guy that ends his post with "....apparently I shouldn't buy a boxflex....". I think the $450 Powertec or Bodysolid would be better fits for the new guy. It will meet all his needs, save more money for other stuff, and if he decides to sell later.....he'll only be out $150-200 on craigslist. An $1100 rack is going to lose him $300-400 on resale and that's if he knows what he's doing when he tries to sell it. I know he's not buying it to sell......but we all know where these paths of good intention lead in the home gym arena.

Also, I don't understand the flat bench idea. A good Ironmaster super bench is going to be about $300, I think. It will act as a flat bench and still give him the opportunity to have incline or decline. No, these aren't necessary....I get your point.....but he may very soon want to use these features and won't have them. There's two schools of thought here, I know many people like the flat bench. It is less versatile though and the only benefit I see is that its a bit cheaper and although debatable....usually sturdier as they don't move. Personally, I'd take the FID or 0-90 degree bench everyday over the flat one.



Not trying to be overly challenging. Your points are all valid and obviously I love the big rack.....maybe it would be ok for the new guy that knows more about equipment and himself, but otherwise it could be a mistake.

I really like your suggestion to get "Starting Strength". Many new people certainly don't know about that book and probably don't know a lot about exercise besides what they learned in school. This book is a great tool and probably not on a lot of lists of "Must haves for the home gym".

[sawoobley]

I agree with the above. Adjustable dumbbells are going to be your most important purchase. You can do the overwhelming majority of your exercises with them alone and in conjunction with an adjustable bench and a pull-up bar you are set. The power rack will help you also but there just aren't as many things you can do with it especially for a beginner. If you get a lower budget rack that has a overall capacity of 600lbs then what more do you really need?

I would get a pair of ironmaster adjustable dumbells (5-75lbs and upgradeable to 160lbs) and ironmaster Superbench (1000lb rated) for ($808 total) + Quick-Lock Kettbell Handle ($108 - from ironmaster.com)

Powerline PPR200X Power Rack ($300 - Sam's Club) + Barbell Free-Spotter (http://www.shermworks.com/) (~$130)

Powerline PLA200X Lat Attachment for use with PPR200X Power Rack ($200 - Amazon)

300 lb Olympic Weight Set ($250 - nearby store)

=$1,795 total

[Keetman]

I agree with the above. Adjustable dumbbells are going to be your most important purchase. You can do the overwhelming majority of your exercises with them alone and in conjunction with an adjustable bench and a pull-up bar you are set. The power rack will help you also but there just aren't as many things you can do with it especially for a beginner. If you get a lower budget rack that has a overall capacity of 600lbs then what more do you really need?

I would get a pair of ironmaster adjustable dumbells (5-75lbs and upgradeable to 160lbs) and ironmaster Superbench (1000lb rated) for ($808 total) + Quick-Lock Kettbell Handle ($108 - from ironmaster.com)

Powerline PPR200X Power Rack ($300 - Sam's Club) + Barbell Free-Spotter (http://www.shermworks.com/) (~$130)

Powerline PLA200X Lat Attachment for use with PPR200X Power Rack ($200 - Amazon)

300 lb Olympic Weight Set ($250 - nearby store)

=$1,795 total



Now you're going the other direction.

Anybody with a two thousand dollar budget should not look at the powerline rack. I have one at work and I have used it many times over the last ten years so I think I can speak with some experience on its value (not to mention I've owned and used at least 10 power cages in the last 3 years). It is an ok rack and one that I wouldn't dissuade someone from getting if they're strapped for money. It is however very lightweight and sways/wiggles quite a bit during use. Someone with 2K to spend can afford and should get something that is more comfortable and pleasurable to use. Its not that much more money to invest in a powertec, bodysolid, or bodycraft rack (considering budget) and well worth the investment in terms of difference in quality.

I think the Ironmaster db's are a great idea, but the kettlebell handle is pushing it. I haven't seen one and I haven't seen any reviews, but it at least raises my eyebrow for maybe not being the best tool for its use. I also think the op would be looking at something more advanced if he's looking to get into kettlebells. Maybe thats what he wants and maybe the IM handle would be fine, I'd just think more information would be necessary for a new user before spending a hundo on that handle.

I wouldn't get the free spotter, what's the point? (I am not knocking on the free spotter) It just seems redundant and not necessary....not to mention it throws in another learning curve for the OP.....the rack is more than sufficient and saves the user another $130.

The lat pd is optional, but not something that I'd say isn't necessary. A lot of people say they aren't needed because you can do pullups on the rack. Meh....if he has the room and money, why not? There are other things that its usefull for (cable exercises outside of the pulldown and seated rows). I am getting rid of my cable crossover and I'm currently thinking of all different kinds of ways I'll get to use the lat pulldown. Personally, if space and money permit though....I'd get a stand alone. They don't get in the way of the rack, they allow for better supersetting if the rack and lat pd are both necessary for such, and usually a stand alone is better quality. Just some thoughts on the lat pd.

Weights....get more than 300lbs. OP says he wants to build muscle. If that is a goal, he'll want to do squats and deads. If he sticks with this, it won't take long at all to need more than 300lbs for those exercises. 500lbs is a minimum and I'd probably say just get 600lbs. Its not that much more and they'll be there when needed.


Prices (high estimates and no craigslisting):


Rack: $600

Bench and Ironmaster pckge #2 (DB's, Bench, Crunch, Dips): $904 (including shipping)

Weights (2x 300lbs sets at big box store): $300

Starting strength book: $30



This puts him at $1834 for a great setup. Use craigslist and he does even better (if he's anywhere near the central Ohio area I know where he can get a great setup, sans ironmasters...and not from me). He'd have $166 left over to look on CL for a lat pd and in a year or two, save up a little more for a new bar.

If I was buying new, had the stated goals of the OP, and about that budget.....this is the route I'd go. The only thing missing is cardio and that can be worked in with other stuff or saved up for later.

[Kodokan]

Keet, I can totally understand where you're coming from and you're right...what you said isn't overly confrontational at all.

But still I wish I would have skipped buying the weider and phys-x that I did and then finally ended up with a legend rack. Granted the powertech is better than those, and the bodycraft is a real big step up from those. I had to do a ton of CL deals to scrounge up the money and save up, but working out on the flimsy things I had first drove me nuts and if I had the money to just go buy exactly what I wanted to begin with I would definitely do it. I just like the feeling of the heavy ass rack that will not move.

People may totally love and depend on dumbells too based on their goals and what they like to do when they workout, but for me it's just easier to see consistent progress on the barbell exercises and my own preferences lean that way. And given my preferences for how to workout, I would still say to spend the money on the most important thing for that workout. So, for me that would mean spending the most money on getting a good rack.

But readers should also take this with a grain of salt knowing I cleared out my garage and filled it up with plywood, mats, rack, etc...foregoing parking there and so on. So yeah it's something I really, really wanted, and that might not be everybody.

In any case, the EFS econ rack, and the pro maxima racks, and some of the legend racks are really good options in the $1000 range.

[Keetman]

Well, Kodokan.....I just finished my first wo on the new elite rack.

I may have to rescind my other post. :D :D :D




I certainly understand what you mean about having had the beast rack first. Only issue I'm clinging to (could be wrong, who knows) is that some of the regulars on here are a bit on one end of the spectrum......way over on that end at that. We love our gyms and have created them with the same fervor an antique car collector goes about his business. Heck, even if I go a month being lazy....I don't really have the feeling I'm not going to get back down there....its always weighing heavy on my mind that I need to get to it. I don't have any doubts that I have spent this money well and I'm happy with it all.....and its been 13 years since I first laid down that first 2K on my smith machine and dumbbells.

I didn't know then that I'd be here today. The only thing I know I'd do differently is that if I'd had this forum as a tool then, I wouldn't have bought the smith!

So many people come here and are asking about crappy benches and a lot (probably all) of the regulars can remember the first crappy bench they ever worked out on....I know I do. Now, the bar has been raised a bit, or at least we're trying to, and people are saying....get a cage....you'll be happier later. People are listening! That's a good thing. Its not too much more expensive to get a mid level cage/bench combo than a crappy bench press. Its much safer and you can do more stuff on it....it can also last for a long time.

It seems a bit of a leap to say......actually you should jump into a $1500 rack....it'll be even better! :D :D

Who knows. Actually I think the discussion is good. We don't know exactly where the OP is or where he wants to be. Giving out different perspectives is really the best thing we can do for him. If he listens, he'll know what will suit him the best.

[Kodokan]

Well, Kodokan.....I just finished my first wo on the new elite rack.

I may have to rescind my other post. :D :D :D




I certainly understand what you mean about having had the beast rack first. Only issue I'm clinging to (could be wrong, who knows) is that some of the regulars on here are a bit on one end of the spectrum......way over on that end at that. We love our gyms and have created them with the same fervor an antique car collector goes about his business. Heck, even if I go a month being lazy....I don't really have the feeling I'm not going to get back down there....its always weighing heavy on my mind that I need to get to it. I don't have any doubts that I have spent this money well and I'm happy with it all.....and its been 13 years since I first laid down that first 2K on my smith machine and dumbbells.

I didn't know then that I'd be here today. The only thing I know I'd do differently is that if I'd had this forum as a tool then, I wouldn't have bought the smith!

So many people come here and are asking about crappy benches and a lot (probably all) of the regulars can remember the first crappy bench they ever worked out on....I know I do. Now, the bar has been raised a bit, or at least we're trying to, and people are saying....get a cage....you'll be happier later. People are listening! That's a good thing. Its not too much more expensive to get a mid level cage/bench combo than a crappy bench press. Its much safer and you can do more stuff on it....it can also last for a long time.

It seems a bit of a leap to say......actually you should jump into a $1500 rack....it'll be even better! :D :D

Who knows. Actually I think the discussion is good. We don't know exactly where the OP is or where he wants to be. Giving out different perspectives is really the best thing we can do for him. If he listens, he'll know what will suit him the best.

You're totally right...but hey, how about an $1148 shipped rack? :D

Seriously though...just 'getting a rack' is great.

[dumb.bell]

Both Keetman's and Kodokan's remarks have merit. A lot depends on your budget and personal preferences, whether you are in this for the long haul, or just think it something you might like to try.

I think there are at least two schools of thought. There are the people who view the racks and other equipment as tools to accomplish something, and then there are the people who derive pleasure from owning the tools themselves.

If you are not sure how long you will stick with this and/or simple view the equipment as tools, you should probably go the cheaper route. This route will suffice and save you money.

On the other hand, if your the type person who puts value in owning high end stuff, you will likely want to purchase a more heavy duty rack at the beginning (assuming you can afford it - this will save you the wasted money of having to upgrade later).

There is no universal right answer, it depends on the person.

Having said that, my vote is for the higher end rack.

[sawoobley]

Now you're going the other direction.


You are making a lot of good points but we are all going off of a lot of assumptions when we don't really know what his starting point is and his goals.

It sounds like he is starting from ground zero since he hasn't done anything beyond biking and jogging. His original idea was to get a Bowflex until he started reading the forums. The Bowflex Blaze Home Gym if that is what he is talking about has 210 lbs of resistance and can be upgraded to 310 or 410 so it doesn't sound like he was thinking of going too hard core. The Bowflex doesn't look like it is made to do squats or anything like it.

My idea was for him to start out with a cheap power rack and the Powerline PPR200X is one that a lot of people are happy with. That way if he doesn't use it much he won't have wasted as much money and it is probably sufficient for a beginner. The free spotter is just for convenience. I have it on my wish list thinking that if I wanted to do low squats I want to be able to get out of it at will and not have to drop all the way down to the safety bars. A little paranoid I guess.

As for the weights, you should be able to buy additional weights as needed.

The kettlebell handle was thrown in just because. I figure it's only $100 and it could add a lot of variety to a workout and it has gotten some good reviews from what I have read so far.

The lat attachment also adds variety with lat pull-downs, rows and tricep exercises.

Personally, I'm a fan of variety. From what I have been reading on this thread everyone has their own preferences and how they want to spread their money out, so he is going to have to figure out what's important to him and go from there.

BTW - Keetman - Do you have a recommendation for the cheapest sturdy power rack that you would go with as an alternative to the Powerline? Preferably one with a good pull-up bar and one that you can add a good lat attachment to save space from purchasing a stand alone.

[Gazi]

The basic. A Power rack, a good 7' bar, 300lb of Olympic weights, and a FID bench.

Here's an example of what you could get:
Powertec Rack - $450
Rogue Beater Bar - $142.00
300lb weight set - $150-$200 at Dick's Sporting Goods, Academy, Sport Authority, etc. (or get them used off of Craiglist)

That's around $800 so far. You could get the Ironmaster Superbench with crunch attachment and adjustable dumbbells (upgrade to 120lb) for the money leftover.

This is good. I'd also recommend:

-Lat tower attachment for Powertec rack
-Gymnastic rings (CFF brand is a great buy at around $45)
-Perfect pullup Ab Slings (roughly $5 on amazon!)

Also, I personally prefer bumper plates vs. traditional metal ones (including rubber/urethane coated plates). Rogue bumpers are excellent quality and very durable.

As far as preacher curl options, I prefer the Superbench's more traditional preacher curl pad with use of an EZ curl bar. You can pick up a olympic sized EZ-curl bar for $60 or so at a local sporting goods place. I've tried out the Powertec preacher attachment and wasn't too impressed by the restricted movement. The build quality also felt a bit flimsy, but this was an in store demo model.

You may also want to look into rubber flooring. 6'x4'x3/4" rubber mats sell for around $40 a piece. A popular option on here are horse stall mats that can be bought at a local tractor supply store.

[Keetman]

You are making a lot of good points but we are all going off of a lot of assumptions when we don't really know what his starting point is and his goals.

It sounds like he is starting from ground zero since he hasn't done anything beyond biking and jogging. His original idea was to get a Bowflex until he started reading the forums. The Bowflex Blaze Home Gym if that is what he is talking about has 210 lbs of resistance and can be upgraded to 310 or 410 so it doesn't sound like he was thinking of going too hard core. The Bowflex doesn't look like it is made to do squats or anything like it.

My idea was for him to start out with a cheap power rack and the Powerline PPR200X is one that a lot of people are happy with. That way if he doesn't use it much he won't have wasted as much money and it is probably sufficient for a beginner. The free spotter is just for convenience. I have it on my wish list thinking that if I wanted to do low squats I want to be able to get out of it at will and not have to drop all the way down to the safety bars. A little paranoid I guess.

As for the weights, you should be able to buy additional weights as needed.

The kettlebell handle was thrown in just because. I figure it's only $100 and it could add a lot of variety to a workout and it has gotten some good reviews from what I have read so far.

The lat attachment also adds variety with lat pull-downs, rows and tricep exercises.

Personally, I'm a fan of variety. From what I have been reading on this thread everyone has their own preferences and how they want to spread their money out, so he is going to have to figure out what's important to him and go from there.

BTW - Keetman - Do you have a recommendation for the cheapest sturdy power rack that you would go with as an alternative to the Powerline? Preferably one with a good pull-up bar and one that you can add a good lat attachment to save space from purchasing a stand alone.


Yea, definitely lots of perspectives on this. Nothing wrong with anybody's ideas here.

I mean, if he really wanted my opinion....I'd say start flipping on CL and end up with an Elite Collegiate Rack, a GHR, Reverse Hyper, 2000lbs of db's, and 1700lbs of plates....along with a ton of other crap.....all for about nothing.

But not everybody wants to flip. :D


There's nothing wrong with buying new, just more research needs to be done. You don't want to buy expensive stuff and find out it wasn't for you. I've got a lot of cool stuff and sold a lot of stuff that I either didn't want, was redundant, or later decided I didn't want (usually a space consideration). However, I've had the luxury of paying pennies on the dollar for it, so I have more room for experimentation.


As far as a rack recommendation....there's plenty of brands I haven't seen, especially over seas. If you're talking about in the states, and you're talking new, I'd always stick with the powerline, powertec, bodysolid, and bodycraft.....probably in that ascending order. The powerline I'd only get if someone was on a strick budget. After that, its slightly budget, slightly engineering, and mostly personal preference on all issues.

The powertec is a tried and true favorite. Its cheap, looks good, and comes from a reputable company. With the new spotters it added another dimension for people like me that don't like sabers. Until a couple of years ago, this rack was still sold for $350 shipped and it wasn't really until they raised the prices that there was much reason to buy anything else.

The Bodysolid is just a nice beefy looking piece of equipment. I haven't seen it in person, but it sure does look like its sturdy. It also has nice safety spotter, although ptec evened the playing field with theirs. It has a better pullup bar (public opinion), but other than looking beefier and the pu bar.....not sure what it brings over the Ptec. Probably quality control, based on the stuff from both of them I've seen...but that's only a guess on my part. I've seen a couple of places offer it for $450 shipped...but not all. If I were deciding between the two, I'd go with the BS at the same price and struggle with the decision if the normal $600 price of the BS was the mark.

The Bodycraft is my favorite. I own one currently though, so I'm a bit biased. I am going to sell it soon, but only because I got a commercial cage. The Bodycraft offers a good looking design, pop pin safeties that are a joy to use, bar hooks that are very durable (also using pop pins so easy to use), good pullup bar, and as far as I've been able to tell....much better quality than the others. It has some flaws though. It is expensive at $600 (and that's after they dropped the price $100 a year and a half ago). It also has the weakness, imo, of not being as versatile because the bar hooks are locked into place. You cannot use the front of the rack if you want to because you can't take the hooks off.....it wouldn't make any sense to orient the hooks on the outside either. One feature the BC had, but gave up, was being one of the few racks available with a front mounted cable crossover. It was a nice one too, I had one. It was a $500 attachment, but if you want to play...... Anyway, its discontinued now, so you can't even get it unless you buy it used and I'd imagine (since I've only seen one used one in three years) that they're hard to come buy.

They all can have a lat pd put on, although the powertec is the only one with knee hold downs....which I think is important. Since the BS an PT have changed their safeties to the quick box type....I believe they've closed some of the gap between them and the BC. The Bodycraft is a nice rack, but since you can't get the crossover anymore and the safeties on the others are nice.....what's the point of the extra money? I like the pop pins more, but I don't know if they're $150 better.....while at the same time giving up the ability to rack off the front.

If you don't mind the pullup bar, I'd probably get the powertec still.....unless of course you can snag the Bodysolid for $450 shipped.....

See....even when you know some stuff about them, its the end user that has to decide and unless he's used all three.....he'll never really know ;).

[cphawkeye]

Who knows. Actually I think the discussion is good. We don't know exactly where the OP is or where he wants to be. Giving out different perspectives is really the best thing we can do for him. If he listens, he'll know what will suit him the best.

My job slows my responses a bit. I think Keetman actually made the best suggestions to fit my needs, but I still got a lot from the other posts, and it beats having just one guy tell me what to do. I'm leaning towards the Powertec rack because it looks like I'll get decent value from the purchase, it fits in the room just perfectly, looks flipping awesome, and I also like that so many people have it and discuss it on this forum. I kind of wanted the Powertec bench and accessories since it attaches to the rack, but everyone on this site loves the IM bench and addons, so I’ll take their word for it and buy the IM.

With that said I'm pretty sure I'm going to opt for the Powertec rack (500), IM bench and IM package #2 (904). This brings me to 1404. This of course doesn’t include the price of the weight set. I think that leaves about 200 left to spend. I don't think anything else really is necessary.

My last question is why is one recommending a Rogue beater bar (142) and another poster recommending a Rogue bar (262)? Is it just a prettier bar? Should I opt for something else entirely? I can’t imagine much of a difference. I would like a nice bar and in fact I would try to keep in good condition, but I’m not going to spend a lot of money for the Cadillac of weight bars.


If I was buying new, had the stated goals of the OP, and about that budget.....this is the route I'd go. The only thing missing is cardio and that can be worked in with other stuff or saved up for later.

Still got the stationary bike and I will resume running when I get some new running shoes.

[Keetman]

I wouldn't even worry about a bar for now. You'll more than likely get one with your weights. Just use it. Those bars are fine until you start getting over 400 lbs or so regularly. You might tear it up before then, who knows. In the mean time, get yourself educated on bars. There are different diameter handles, different strengths, different finishes, different spinning characteristics, different knurling, different different different..............and then there are all kinds of manufacturers of good bars.

Much like the power racks......everybody has a preference on what is good or bad and what's their favorite.

Much too complicated to get into one post and there's already a lot of information out there. Just take some time and learn. If you buy the powertec rack and the Ironmaster db's with bench.....I can all but guarantee that in 5 years...even if you want to upgrade....you won't be disappointed with your purchases.




Don't forget to buy that book either...... "Starting Strength"....its on Amazon or at Rogue.

[BARBARIAN-X]

Previously mentioned was the
"-Lat tower attachment for Powertec rack"
You can do many movements with a high and low pulley so I'd either put the rest of my money there or into some dumbbells.

[DrFeelgood127]

I remember being super stoked when the New Powertec Power rack came out Nov 2009 with the new colors, new J hooks and Safeties. I couldn't order one fast enough. Recieving it was another story but w/e. The Price was great too at $675 delivered through BB.com with the 10% off coupon. Those were the days....

End flashback/


I would rank the Powertec rack above the Body Solid one simply for value and style. Sure the BS has 2x3 inch posts and a "better" pullup bar, but the PT is cool looking in black or yellow, the Lat attachment has dual guide rods, plus the dip bars are fantastic. Can't forget about the free dip bars... I also think its a nice touch to have the rubber strip on the safeties to reduce wear on the oly bars. And personally, I think the pull up bar design issue is overstated. The rubber grips on said pull up bars I could see needing improvement though.

I too have the Ironmaster Bench and Dumbbells. This seems to be the fool-proof starter set. Not calling anyone a fool, but you should be very happy with the PT rack +/- Lat attachment and the Ironmaster stuff.

I also agree that a higher end bar won't be needed until you are more advanced in your workouts.

[packemup87]

cphawkeye, where are you located. Many folk on here are helpful at finding local CL deals and can advise you on your options. While new is nice, I've gotten all of my equipment used and am very happy w/ what I've got. IM's are probably the only thing you absolutely need to pick-up new since they rarely pop up used.

[dumb.bell]

One of the main drawbacks to the Powertec and other similar racks is the lack of weight storage on the rack. This may not be a big deal to you, but it is awfully convenient to have the weight on both sides right next to the end of the bar. Weight storage on the rack also helps anchor it to the floor when you are doing pull ups or racking heavy weight after a set.

[justinluck]

I spent about two grand on my home gym. I listed out the main components in this thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=651890143#post651890143

When looking for a power rack, my advice is to look at all of your options. I took a hard look at the Powertec, Body-Solid, and BodyCraft racks while I searched for the features I wanted. I ended up going with a relatively unknown rack because it best matched the features I was looking for.

[DrFeelgood127]

One of the main drawbacks to the Powertech and other similar racks is the lack of weight storage on the rack. This may not be a big deal to you, but it is awfully convenient to have the weight on both sides right next to the end of the bar. Weight storage on the rack also helps anchor it to the floor when you are doing pull ups or racking heavy weight after a set.


But when you add in the on-rack weight storage, you inevitably venture into the $1000+ range of racks. While it is certainly super convenient to have weight storage on each side of the rack, one could just pick up a couple of weight trees for cheap.

I rarely notice much movement with pullups or racking a heavy set on my Powertec. Maybe its the added weight of the Lat attachment. Maybe it is more prevalent on the Powerline rack....

[packemup87]

Since your username is cphawkeye, I'm going to assume you live in Iowa. If I'm wrong, then this was a waste of time and just ignore the post. If I'm right, you could pick up the following items if you are willing to do a little driving. You may be able to do even better on pricing or get better quality equipment using Craigslist. All the stuff I have listed below would probably put you at $1700-2000.

Rack
Body Solid Pro Power Rack GPR378
$368.75 from Jesup Gym in Jesup, IA
http://www.jesupgym.com/products.php?cid=11

Bench
$350 Power-Lift “Old Style Lever Action Bench” in Jefferson, IA
http://www.power-lift.com/product-usedequipment.html
Probably overkill for you, but you will never need to buy another bench in your life. Otherwise "downgrade" to one of the Body-Solid benches on the Jesup website or go w/ the Ironmaster Superbench & Dumbbell Combo Deal.

Dumbbells
$578 w/ shipping Ironmaster Quick-Lock Dumbbell System (75 lb set with Rack)
http://www.ironmaster.com/store/Quick-Lock-Dumbbell-System-75-lb-set-with-Rack-pr-2.html

Horse Stall Mats (4-6 mats)
$35-40 each from Tractor Supply or similar store
$150-250 total

300 lbs weight set
$150 from big box sporting good store. Maybe better quality or cheaper if you get them from Jesup. Get two sets if you can afford it. Weights are a great thing to grab on Craigslist. Some weights are nicer than others, but for the most part “weight is weight”. Just be sure to get Olympic weights.

Weight Tree
$40-70 from Jesup Gym
http://www.jesupgym.com/products.php?cid=16

Bar (optional)
If you're picking up the rack a Jesup, you may also want to consider the Jesup Power Bar, that seems to have pretty decent reviews.
http://www.jesupgym.com/products.php?cid=12
$145 OPB86M 7' Olympic Power Bar

[nakedbabytoes]

Here's what I've got so far that I think works well & works everything:

Dumbbells:
Powerblocks Urethane series(I got 50s, you'll want the expandable 90s being a dude).
I hate hate hate working out with gloves. These have rubbery handles, so I chose them over the Ironmasters QL dumbbells. Lots of people love the IMs, and I probably would have also except for my dislike of the knurled metal handles. Personal choice here. I think the IMs are a great choice for adjustable dumbbells, they just weren't my ultimate choice for my home gym.
$359 plus $119 for column stand.

Kettle bells.
I also went with Powerblock Kettleblock40. Why? No good reason except they match my dumbbells and are an adjustable weight KB. But I think kettle bells provide an excellent workout and provide benefits dumbbells can't. So I think KBs should be in any home gym. Ironmaster also makes an adjustable KB. And it's always sold out, so it must be great. I don't think you can go wrong with the IMs here either. Just personal choice again.
$199.

Ironmaster Super Bench:
Best in the business. Commercial quality in a home bench. Many attachments.
$335 super bench combo(crunch situp/dip handles/bench)
$115 leg attachment/extension(work those legs!)
$85 chin up bar(everybody loves classic pull ups & chin ups)

Punching bag/heavy bag & stand:
Great cardio & overall body conditioning. Cheap therapy too!
$199

Jump rope.
Simple small space cardio workout anytime.
$10

The Step adjustable stair & riser:
Decline pushups, one leg lunges, weighted step ups, etc. What can't you do with a portable & adjustable step? I find more uses each week for it.
$30

Free weights/olympic plates/ bar.
Some things are better with a barbell. And you use these with other attachments on benches & machines.
$varies

Treadmill.
I'd rather get dressed up & run outside myself any time of year, in any weather. But if I had room, a treadmill would be next on my list.
$?

Bike.
Again, no room and I'd rather be outside but if I had space, for sure this is a must have.
$?

Self spotting system:
Smith machine or the IM2000. No room:( But a nice thing to have in your gym in you have room! Cables & pulleys really add another dimension to your workout. Why go anywhere else once you get one of these?
$1500 plus.

[cphawkeye]

Thanks for the help everyone, it cleared a lot of stuff up for me. I j ust bought the Powertec WB-PR10 Rack (I think the one I bought on Amazon is different than the one offered on the PT website) & the IronMaster Package number #2. I’m starting to wonder if IM package #4 would have been best, but I’m happy since I’m on the right path.

In the next few months (if not weeks), I will likely pimp out my IM bench with the Hypercore attachment, Preacher Curl Attachment, and the Leg Attachment. Not that I'm going to buy it now, but I'm already looking into a lat tower. I could upgrade either my PT rack, or my IM bench...but I'll investigate the best route. I might get a standalone, but those cost a lot more.

@packemup87

Yup I live next to Iowa City, go Hawks. I like the horse mats idea, it’s going in a carpeted room, but I would rather have a tougher ground. My rack is supposed to come between the 11th and the 14th, so hopefully I get my weight set picked up before the 11th because I want to start as soon as I assemble that puppy.

@ nakedbabytoes

I’d prefer a treadmill, but my stationary bike will have to hold the fort down for now. I’m going to buy something to work the legs next. No need for a self-spotter though, I got a brother who lives nearby that wants in on this.

[nakedbabytoes]

Money well spent! I just got my super bench yesterday. Taking it for it's first test drive Monday. Cant wait!
Enjoy!

[julces]

powertec workbench leverage 1100
power cage 200 -400 craigslist
400lb - 600lb plates bar 200 - 300 craigslist
rope, row handles. 50 walmart
curl bar 50
shoes 35