What happened to this forum??!!!

[alan aragon]

I remember the good old days when you could ask a question, and politely get the answer you were hoping to get! What happened? And what is all this scientific evidence crap. I remember the good old days when you could just look at someone's avatar and know for certain that what they were saying about muscle protein synthesis, fatty acid oxidation, etc, was 100% correct.

And what really gets me is how people can't just give black & white simple answers on stuff like, "what's the best dose of dextrose postworkout?"... I mean, all it takes is posting a number, not some smartass remark about how it's not needed. I don't like to hear that stuff, especially after memorizing the rules I've learned from magazines, and various buff guys at my gym. If I want to know what's better for me between brown rice or white rice, why can't people just tell me what I've always heard the big guys say?

What really REALLY bugs me is how everything has to have some sort of evidence beyond anecdote. Why can't someone tell me whether Body for Life or P90X is the best program? Both of those have the best anecdotal evidence other than the ads in Flex magazine. Just look how ripped & built the spokespeople of those programs are. I don't need a scientific study to tell me that those guys are doing it right! Discussions about how the body works don't need no Pubmed. All it takes is just sharing with eachother what works for us & our buddies at the gym. THAT is true knowledge of how the body works.

I just wish this forum could get back to the good old days when you could post a question asking how many minutes you can wait to eat your postworkout meal before the catabolisms come, and you could get a simple answer like, "15 minutes bro, works for me", or "I respectully disagree bro, 10 minutes and I'm already shrinking"... I just wish that I could ask a question like whether it's okay to have white potatoes once a week instead of sweet potatoes. A simple yes or no will do, but instead people will post a bunch of sciency stuff & tell me that I can go with personal preference. Anybody else with me on this, or am I the only one?

[juliacheh]

Reps on recharge

:D:D:D

Yo, first on Alan's thread!

[dansaunders4]

Thank you!!!!

[msmartsmart]

Wait wut? Lol! Nicely done!

[jayce_p]

Winner! Rep'd!

[braggable]

In. Bring back the glory days!

[Joseph1990]

Op is is ... wait what?

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/044159e6e0b6bbae9a223ead74efee75883a7b7.gif

[desslok]

Tldr

[REALDEAL012]

Thank you! Everytime I ask a question someone has to chime in saying that I ask too many questions or what do you think?

I asked for a reason man!

THANKS AGAIN ALAN

[midcoastking33]

In b4 chickeneater

[mannydawg]

We can't go back!!!
Like anything else in life going back is just an illusion we can hold that will never occur.
What is possible is for us change the present situation.

[JValjean724]

This is perfect satire, well done

[PBateman2]

Straight up lulz.

[matthew3881]

in on 1st page. is this a response to that nutrition subthread from the supp misc last night?

[snorkelman]

http://homepage.mac.com/tsinclair/images/socrates_teach.gif

[SurferDude905]

I fully agree with you budd. I'm so lost from reading something in one magazine then coming on here and hearing the complete different. I understand if people get upset when a person asks repetitive questions...however most the time we are just looking for some simple hands on feedback. Good judgement!

[KimValentine]

http://yourfriendlyneighborhoodbarista.files.wordpress.co m/2011/01/lol_cat-129261.jpg

[chickeneater]

In b4 chickeneater

damn!

[getgot211]

http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-bro-fist.jpg

[chickeneater]

Thank you! Everytime I ask a question someone has to chime in saying that I ask too many questions or what do you think?



what do you think this is? A forum?........wait wut?

[MikeK46]

Nominating thread to be moved to Supplement section for rebuttal/comedic relief.

[matthew3881]

Nominating thread to be moved to Supplement section for rebuttal/comedic relief.

thatd be amazing. to the supp misc!

[dustinh6719]

"I respectully disagree bro, 10 minutes and I'm already shrinking"...

I laughed out loudly in real life.


Nominating thread to be moved to Supplement section for rebuttal/comedic relief.

Yes.

[adean1989]

Too many young aspiring scientists =D

[MAX.MAREK]

I remember the good old days when you could ask a question, and politely get the answer you were hoping to get! What happened? And what is all this scientific evidence crap. I remember the good old days when you could just look at someone's avatar and know for certain that what they were saying about muscle protein synthesis, fatty acid oxidation, etc, was 100% correct.

And what really gets me is how people can't just give black & white simple answers on stuff like, "what's the best dose of dextrose postworkout?"... I mean, all it takes is posting a number, not some smartass remark about how it's not needed. I don't like to hear that stuff, especially after memorizing the rules I've learned from magazines, and various buff guys at my gym. If I want to know what's better for me between brown rice or white rice, why can't people just tell me what I've always heard the big guys say?

What really REALLY bugs me is how everything has to have some sort of evidence beyond anecdote. Why can't someone tell me whether Body for Life or P90X is the best program? Both of those have the best anecdotal evidence other than the ads in Flex magazine. Just look how ripped & built the spokespeople of those programs are. I don't need a scientific study to tell me that those guys are doing it right! Discussions about how the body works don't need no Pubmed. All it takes is just sharing with eachother what works for us & our buddies at the gym. THAT is true knowledge of how the body works.

I just wish this forum could get back to the good old days when you could post a question asking how many minutes you can wait to eat your postworkout meal before the catabolisms come, and you could get a simple answer like, "15 minutes bro, works for me", or "I respectully disagree bro, 10 minutes and I'm already shrinking"... I just wish that I could ask a question like whether it's okay to have white potatoes once a week instead of sweet potatoes. A simple yes or no will do, but instead people will post a bunch of sciency stuff & tell me that I can go with personal preference. Anybody else with me on this, or am I the only one?

couldnt agree more bud. hence the reason why ive stopped posting on the forums alot. bunch of douchebag morons have ruined this forum. sux to be honest.

[msmartsmart]

couldnt agree more bud. hence the reason why ive stopped posting on the forums alot. bunch of douchebag morons have ruined this forum. sux to be honest.

/facepalm

sat·ire
[sat-ahyuhr]
–noun
1.
the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2.
a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3.
a literary genre comprising such compositions.

[chickeneater]

/facepalm

sat·ire
[sat-ahyuhr]
–noun
1.
the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2.
a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3.
a literary genre comprising such compositions.

don't forget this nugget:


I think you need to do family counseling for a living or something.

This is a forum, people have opinions, people have strong opinions, people will get shat on, feelings will be hurt, lulz will be had, life will go on. If you can't handle getting picked on a little bit or your opinion getting torn to pieces, then you shouldn't share it. Honestly, who cares about the war between IIFYM and broscience. If it is good information, share it. If it is about someone getting their feelings hurt or maybe feeling bad STFU & GTFO!

[sanman89]

I am not on the forum to long but your post is 100% right on!

[msmartsmart]

don't forget this nugget:

Lol! Now STFU & GTFO!

srs

[JValjean724]

couldnt agree more bud. hence the reason why ive stopped posting on the forums alot. bunch of douchebag morons have ruined this forum. sux to be honest.

Yeah and I can't believe that Jonathan Swift guy wanted us to eat babies.....how horrible!

[Christiffer]

Lulz. This should be good. Better than the crabz.

[whatsupfresh19]

what's funnier than the OP is people coming in here agreeing with it and missing the satire

[chickeneater]

Lol! Now STFU & GTFO!

srs

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/tumblr_l6gllpbyn41qzzw5do1_400.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4912)
















seriously, don't worry though, it's my last day here, just havin some fun. Back to work next week.

[msmartsmart]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/tumblr_l6gllpbyn41qzzw5do1_400.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4912)


seriously, don't worry though, it's my last day here, just havin some fun. Back to work next week.

srs but notsrs at the same time because I can't tell if you're srs or not srs. Wait... do you spell you're like this... "your'e" or like this... "you're"? I never know, because you always spell it like your'e. Should I not do'nt do that?

Ok... It's Friday and I'm going home. Enough with the pointless post. Will check back later for the lulz.

[dustinh6719]

couldnt agree more bud. hence the reason why ive stopped posting on the forums alot. bunch of douchebag morons have ruined this forum. sux to be honest.

I think this whole shindig can be blamed on the IIFYM crew. Meddling kids and their redundant beliefs.

[Ghosting]

LOL. Perfect.

[t1ger]

http://i52.tinypic.com/rku1ch.gif

[jakeratt]

The Misc has taken over the whole Forum. Wish you had to have an active Body page to post on the forum. But then peeps would just lie

[coals]

Ironic 1st is ironic.



Don't hate me just sayin'



["... I just wish that I could ask a question like whether it's okay to have white potatoes once a week instead of sweet potatoes. A simple yes or no will do, but instead people will post a bunch of sciency stuff & tell me that I can go with personal preference. Anybody else with me on this, or am I the only one?

http://scientopia.org/blogs/scicurious/files/2011/02/orly.gif

[jmuniverse]

i laughed a little bit.

[SOJA]

God has descended upon us.

[alan aragon]

I'm glad SOME of you bros agree with me. Let me quote the immortal words (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=641520233&postcount=224) of esteemed member Simmo0508 that capture my sentiments precisely:

"But then you have these kids not listening to you because your post wasn't in the form of a study, which is all they listen to. Pubmed this and pubmed that. Normal discussion isn't allowed. It's a university exam instead. Unless you quote someone else, you aren't entitled to or credible enough to know what you're talking about."

[DDon1996]

http://homepage.mac.com/tsinclair/images/socrates_teach.gif

This is better than the thread. I lol'd so hard.

[CrawlerJK]

Agree with O.P.... I spend time on other forums and this one scares the **** out of me. I haven't really posted here simply because I see everyother thread ya'll a ripping the o.p. a new *******... getting off topic, posting b.s. scientific crap that will take me 3 weeks of studying just to understand... and after reading 40 posts in a thread you rarely answer the o.p.'s answer!

So I just stick to the search button... don't really feel like posting on here.

[JohnBrowne]

couldnt agree more bud. hence the reason why ive stopped posting on the forums alot. bunch of douchebag morons have ruined this forum. sux to be honest.

Are you serious? Holy ****

[synthetic]

Are you serious? Holy ****

State of forum is dont be strict with making sure you eat real food. Just take whatever it is and fit it in. Disagree? You get negged.

One must apply food habits to life style habits... You can substitute the word meth/coke/ciggs for the word food. Coke in moderation is not possible... it permanently drains natural occurring dopamine stores...

[Joseph1990]

State of forum is dont be strict with making sure you eat real food. Just take whatever it is and fit it in. Disagree? You get negged.

One must apply food habits to life style habits... You can substitute the word meth/coke/ciggs for the word food. Coke in moderation is not possible... it permanently drains natural occurring dopamine stores...

Oh haaiiii, lets compare food and hard drugs as if they have anything to do with each other mmmmmm kayyyyyyyyyyyyy?

IIFYM?
http://www.daegansmith.com/crackhead2.gif

[joelash302]

State of forum is dont be strict with making sure you eat real food. Just take whatever it is and fit it in. Disagree? You get negged.

One must apply food habits to life style habits... You can substitute the word meth/coke/ciggs for the word food. Coke in moderation is not possible... it permanently drains natural occurring dopamine stores...

God I love your posts. Another legendary analogy.

[alan aragon]

Synthetic + "proof of strength" = all kinds of win.

I just might petition for Synthetic to be granted modship of this forum.

[Joseph1990]

Synthetic + "proof of strength" = all kinds of win.

I just might petition for Synthetic to be granted modship of this forum.

Oh lawd.

[juliacheh]

courtesy of joelash302

http://pics.livejournal.com/louie1977/pic/000bqasp

[synthetic]

courtesy of joelash302

http://pics.livejournal.com/louie1977/pic/000bqasp

perfection.

[matthew3881]

courtesy of joelash302

http://pics.livejournal.com/louie1977/pic/000bqasp

omg... I REMEMBER THIS POST!

[2445ricardo]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/2445ricardo/mybodyisready.png

for yet another 20 pg thread lol......

[mynameisuntz]

I am so sick of what these forums have turned into. Facts? Truth? Peer-reviewed, empirical evidence? I don't even know what "empirical" means but I think it's some ultra fast absorbing whey/creatine mix or something.

I just want jacked guys to tell me what worked for them based on their personal results, and then tell me it's the best route anyone could possibly take. Is that so hard to ask?

[rhizome]

http://www.sledporn.com/osCommerce/images/Suck-it-up-Princess.gif

[ko300zx]

I remember the good old days when you could ask a question, and politely get the answer you were hoping to get! What happened? And what is all this scientific evidence crap. I remember the good old days when you could just look at someone's avatar and know for certain that what they were saying about muscle protein synthesis, fatty acid oxidation, etc, was 100% correct.

And what really gets me is how people can't just give black & white simple answers on stuff like, "what's the best dose of dextrose postworkout?"... I mean, all it takes is posting a number, not some smartass remark about how it's not needed. I don't like to hear that stuff, especially after memorizing the rules I've learned from magazines, and various buff guys at my gym. If I want to know what's better for me between brown rice or white rice, why can't people just tell me what I've always heard the big guys say?

What really REALLY bugs me is how everything has to have some sort of evidence beyond anecdote. Why can't someone tell me whether Body for Life or P90X is the best program? Both of those have the best anecdotal evidence other than the ads in Flex magazine. Just look how ripped & built the spokespeople of those programs are. I don't need a scientific study to tell me that those guys are doing it right! Discussions about how the body works don't need no Pubmed. All it takes is just sharing with eachother what works for us & our buddies at the gym. THAT is true knowledge of how the body works.

I just wish this forum could get back to the good old days when you could post a question asking how many minutes you can wait to eat your postworkout meal before the catabolisms come, and you could get a simple answer like, "15 minutes bro, works for me", or "I respectully disagree bro, 10 minutes and I'm already shrinking"... I just wish that I could ask a question like whether it's okay to have white potatoes once a week instead of sweet potatoes. A simple yes or no will do, but instead people will post a bunch of sciency stuff & tell me that I can go with personal preference. Anybody else with me on this, or am I the only one?

I'm not reading this sht. I can't even see your abs in your avi so whatever you have to say is probably a load of crap.



















http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/28/5249.gif

[PBateman2]

I just want jacked guys to tell me what worked for them based on their personal results, and then tell me it's the best route anyone could possibly take. Is that so hard to ask?

Fine.

Chicken and rice.

Five times a day.

Evenly spaced meals.

:D..lol.

[Joseph1990]

MMmmm, bacon OM NOM NOM.

http://us.acidcow.com/pics/20100512/panties_with_hilarious_messages_01.jpg

[mynameisuntz]

Fine.

Chicken and rice.

Five times a day.

Evenly spaced meals.

:D..lol.

I've been eating white rice. Am I doing it wrong?!

[juliacheh]

Joseph, what the hell???
I want to read about rice and chicken and not to look at some butt

:D

[jake1224]

I honestly cannot determine the sarcasm rating of some parts of Alan's post.

[dustinh6719]

Joseph, what the hell???
I want to read about rice and chicken and not to look at some butt

:D

To each his own. :rolleyes:

[braggable]

I honestly cannot determine the sarcasm rating of some parts of Alan's post.

Umm, thats because he wasn't being sarcastic... In any part of his post. Was he. Alan?

[ko300zx]

To each his own. :rolleyes:

More butt please.

[matthew3881]

I honestly cannot determine the sarcasm rating of some parts of Alan's post.

on a scale of 1 to stephen colbert, this post was about a 7

[jake1224]

I just wish this forum could get back to the good old days when you could post a question asking how many minutes you can wait to eat your postworkout meal before the catabolisms come

Roughly 2500 minutes OP.



Black & white, u happy?

[juliacheh]

More butt please.

NtMwK4EL8PA

[PBateman2]

^^^DAAAAAAAAAMN.


I've been eating white rice. Am I doing it wrong?!

Dumb move.

Might as well just eat big spoonfuls of sugar.

Cmon man.

[juliacheh]

Dumb move.

Might as well just eat big spoonfuls of sugar.

Cmon man.

You are on a roll :D

[joelash302]

Pretty sure this is the appropriate response -

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/228/original/dat.jpg?1241922486

[kusok]

I'm glad SOME of you bros agree with me. Let me quote the immortal words (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=641520233&postcount=224) of esteemed member Simmo0508 that capture my sentiments precisely:

"But then you have these kids not listening to you because your post wasn't in the form of a study, which is all they listen to. Pubmed this and pubmed that. Normal discussion isn't allowed. It's a university exam instead. Unless you quote someone else, you aren't entitled to or credible enough to know what you're talking about."


*hits a double bi shot in your face*

That's all the evidence I need right there AA!






(yes, that was an actual Simmo post)

[BookMonkey]

akSZ6Oim560

[juliacheh]

*hits a double bi shot in your face*

That's all the evidence I need right there AA!






(yes, that was an actual Simmo post)

You are small as phuck, what the hell do you know, bro?


:D:D:D:p:cool:

[Joseph1990]

I am so sick of what these forums have turned into. Facts? Truth? Peer-reviewed, empirical evidence? I don't even know what "empirical" means but I think it's some ultra fast absorbing whey/creatine mix or something.

I just want jacked guys to tell me what worked for them based on their personal results, and then tell me it's the best route anyone could possibly take. Is that so hard to ask?


You are small as phuck, what the hell do you know, bro?


:D:D:D:p:cool:

^lololol.

[jake1224]

You are small as phuck, what the hell do you know

http://i48.tinypic.com/161nnmt.jpg

[getgot211]

Fine.

Chicken and rice.

Five times a day.

Evenly spaced meals.

:D..lol.

its actually fish, fish and rice cakes, fish...ummmm....oh yeah, fish and rice cakes, fish.

[ko300zx]

NtMwK4EL8PA

http://www.protias.com/Pictures/Super%20Troopers/Mother%20of%20God.jpg

[JohnBrowne]

Koeppe has nudez

[Ghosting]

koeppe has nudez

brb!!!

Edit : Motherofgod.jpg Wipes tear from eye

[JOE_EDGE]

I shall attempt to be more helpful.

[docchio]

dayum, dat lady is like the creamcheese















minus the cheese

[juliacheh]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uKUJj9VMJpA/SfZQslb9S0I/AAAAAAAAEqo/jn9yFFkzEhc/s400/perfect.bmp

[JohnBrowne]

I just finished writing a paper on the theory that all females are intrinsically lesbian and I come into this thread and see Julia posting pics of Jamie Koeppe's ass.

lmao

[docchio]

^
This is when i know we are simply animals. Because it makes me feel primal. Utterly primal.

[matthew3881]

^
This is when i know we are simply animals. Because it makes me feel primal. Utterly primal.

/agree

rawrrrr

[dustinh6719]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uKUJj9VMJpA/SfZQslb9S0I/AAAAAAAAEqo/jn9yFFkzEhc/s400/perfect.bmp

Wouldeatnerdsoutofherbutthole.bnr

[JohnBrowne]

Wouldeatnerdsoutofherbutthole.bnr

Read this, and then your sig

mindisfullof****

no hate lol

[dustinh6719]

Read this, and then your sig

mindisfullof****

no hate lol

Lol! Too shay.

[mynameisuntz]

Dumb move.

Might as well just eat big spoonfuls of sugar.

Cmon man.

I knew I underestimated the power of rice hue!

[juliacheh]

Alan, who do you like more - brunettes, blondes or redheads?

[psychodiver9]

Alan, who do you like more - brunettes, blondes or redheads?
Huh?

[desslok]

I remember the good old days

In the good old days, we didn't have forums, or computers. Well some people had computers, but they didn't lift weights, and nobody used internet, just dial up BBBs. The only source of information we had was M&F or the jacked guy at the gym...oh wait there weren't jacked guys at my gym cause they were all in Venice. But that's ok, we drank a gallon of milk a day before GOMAD, and we went to Great Earth and bought the Weider Milk & Egg protein cause that was the choice. and the hottest girls in M&F were Rachel McLish and that blonde girl with the big hair. Ah yes...the good old days...

[Roniboney]

alan your the king of sarcasm and wading through BS.I salute you

[kusok]

Alan, who do you like more - brunettes, blondes or redheads?

Redheads.

[kusok]

You are small as phuck, what the hell do you know, bro?


:D:D:D:p:cool:


Woman, make me a protein cake!



(lol, or what was it that he asked for? Gotta love Simmo)

[juliacheh]

Woman, make me a protein cake!



(lol, or what was it that he asked for? Gotta love Simmo)

I will, because you asked nicely

LOL LOL LOL

[getgot211]

Read this, and then your sig

mindisfullof****

no hate lol

path goes straight to butthole?

[Rugger7]

ya I know some douchebag came in and ****ed our forum up... I think he has a blog to sell or something... maybe t-shirts too.. i forget his name.

[kusok]

I will, because you asked nicely

LOL LOL LOL

Awesome ^^^ And I want glutamine and BCAA in there!

You're a redhead, eh? Alan's favorite redhead:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb235/kusokosla/33jjzfa.jpg

[jake1224]

In the good old days, we didn't have forums, or computers. Well some people had computers, but they didn't lift weights, and nobody used internet, just dial up BBBs. The only source of information we had was M&F or the jacked guy at the gym...oh wait there weren't jacked guys at my gym cause they were all in Venice. But that's ok, we drank a gallon of milk a day before GOMAD, and we went to Great Earth and bought the Weider Milk & Egg protein cause that was the choice. and the hottest girls in M&F were Rachel McLish and that blonde girl with the big hair. Ah yes...the good old days...

I liked reading this.

[Yank11]

i would swim across the atlantic ocean with a 45lb dumbbell tied to my nutsack with only ronnie colemans farts as my air supply to hear jaime koeppe fart via walkie talkie

[KyleAaron]

ya I know some douchebag came in and ****ed our forum up... I think he has a blog to sell or something... maybe t-shirts too.. i forget his name.
Hooo, buuuuuuurn.

On topic, the best results come when the book (or pubmed) knowledge is combined with the everyday experience. People with only book knowledge will say that experience is just broscience anecdote and doesn't matter, people with only experience will say that book knowledge is just egghead ramblings and is irrelevant. Both are wrong.

Reading pubmed articles has helped guide my coaching and advice to clients, who have thus got better results. Working under experienced coaches, or watching people like Rippetoe and Dan John coach others, this has also guided my coaching, and got people better results. In fitness as in any other area, it's the combination of book knowledge and experience that helps people achieve useful things.

[juliacheh]

Awesome ^^^ And I want glutamine and BCAA in there!


Anything for a fellow New Yorker

:D:D

[alan aragon]

ya I know some douchebag came in and ****ed our forum up... I think he has a blog to sell or something... maybe t-shirts too.. i forget his name.U mad I neg'd you then lol'd? :)

[Mr.Cooper69]

Thank you! Everytime I ask a question someone has to chime in saying that I ask too many questions or what do you think?

I asked for a reason man!

THANKS AGAIN ALAN

This is the best part.^^

[alan aragon]

Alan, who do you like more - brunettes, blondes or redheads?I don't discriminate. I see beauty in all of them.

[juliacheh]

I don't discriminate. I see beauty in all of them.

That's the true IIFYM.

Respect.

[Mr.Cooper69]

That's the true IIFYM.

Respect.

And 2nd best part ^^

[SideSteal]

posting in an epic thread.

[trance__dreamer]

That's the true IIFYM.

Respect.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. oh. ****.

[trance__dreamer]

NtMwK4EL8PA

HAHAHAHAHA. oh dang. that's 1 of my favourite songs. (seriously.)

why the fuk would they use that song? it's so depressing. hahaha.

[juliacheh]

HAHAHAHAHA. oh dang. that's 1 of my favourite songs. (seriously.)

why the fuk would they use that song? it's so depressing. hahaha.

Sorry, I have no clue about trance :(

[trance__dreamer]

Sorry, I have no clue about trance :(

no worries. :D i skimmed through to 1/2 way to confirm my suspicions that it was probably just the instrumental/non-vocal. & indeed it was. so, no depressing lyrics about regret, etc. hahaha. & the music is kinda sexy, though. & she's got a great figure, i've gotta admit.






...in b4 d.j. broski i.e.: phal agrees w/ the music. + the girlie.

[juliacheh]

she's got a great figure, i've gotta admit.

.

Yeah, I'm so jealous, the girl walks around with, I'd say, 25% body fat and looks freaking awesome. And I'm only more or less happy when I'm 16-18%.

[alan aragon]

NtMwK4EL8PA

Challengers appear....

3QjhtuDyxGA

[Yank11]

Challengers appear....

3QjhtuDyxGA

i was just about to bump that thread on the misc lol

after I saw koeppe video, I had to watch that one again to compare. chicas car audio wins hands down for me

[mannydawg]

Challengers appear....

3QjhtuDyxGA

best few minutes of my day. lol

is this the misc? lol

[desslok]

Challengers appear....

3QjhtuDyxGA

Hey guise, something is wrong. Whenever I watch these videos, I feel my pants getting smaller?

[alan aragon]

Hey guise, something is wrong. Whenever I watch these videos, I feel my pants getting smaller?It's not the video. It's the nitric oxide supp you took for that Xtreme Muscle-Tearing Pump™

[juliacheh]

Holy, I almost turned into a lesbian.

[Dr. Horse]

in on secret rep beg thread

[dustinh6719]

Hey guise, something is wrong. Whenever I watch these videos, I feel my pants getting smaller?


It's not the video. It's the nitric oxide supp you took for that Xtreme Muscle-Tearing Pump™

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy335/trec-nutrition-co-uk/MAMMOTH/DYMATIZE/CAFFIENEFREEXPAND.jpg

[JOSEF RAKICH]

Lol, in before the catabolisms come.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/122496934_0eba497a00.jpg

[Dexter3000]

Read thread title, thought "not this sh!t again"... everything went better than expected.

[Joseph1990]

Read thread title, thought "not this sh!t again"... everything went better than expected.

http://soshable.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Everything_went_better_than_expected.png

[t1ger]

This thread delivers in every possible aspect.

Alan, why don't you ask a question where no one is allowed to give smartass remarks and use scientific evidence crap, but instead give you some nice and simple answers? Just like the good old days.

[Rugger7]

U mad I neg'd you then lol'd? :)

No not really, but do you remember the end of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back?

[ErickStevens]

The lulz, this thread brings them.


{ IYBYONTHYMDYSBITTFC } If You Believe You Only Need To Hit Your Macros Do You Still Believe In The Tooth Fairy Crew

U mad?

[Flyin Ryan]

Upon reading this thread, I 'raffed.

[joelash302]

Holy, I almost turned into a lesbian.

Thread steps up a notch.

[Flyin Ryan]

Thread steps up a notch.

sub'd 4 lesbians

[WannaBeATank]

Lulz. I love this section.

[Scooter4]

Am I late 4 teh party?

[WonderPug]

...And what is all this scientific evidence crap...


couldnt agree more bud. hence the reason why ive stopped posting on the forums alot. bunch of douchebag morons have ruined this forum. sux to be honest.

I just logged on briefly while on vacation in Australia and came upon this gem.

Man, I miss this place!!!

[juliacheh]

Thread steps up a notch.

I said ALMOST :D


sub'd 4 lesbians

I doubt you'll see any :)


I just logged on briefly while on vacation in Australia and came upon this gem.

Man, I miss this place!!!

Australia, my dream. Have fun, Pug!

[WonderPug]

Australia, my dream. Have fun, Pug!

Thanks.

It's the first time my wife and I have set foot on this continent and I have to say, Australia rules!!!

[juliacheh]

Thanks.

It's the first time my wife and I have set foot on this continent and I have to say, Australia rules!!!

I've heard real Australians for the first time when I was in Vegas, and I must say that Australian accent is hot :).

[psychodiver9]

Thanks.

It's the first time my wife and I have set foot on this continent and I have to say, Australia rules!!!
Hey man. I was wondering where you'd been. Enjoy the vacation. Very jealous

[Simmo0508]

Hooo, buuuuuuurn.

On topic, the best results come when the book (or pubmed) knowledge is combined with the everyday experience. People with only book knowledge will say that experience is just broscience anecdote and doesn't matter, people with only experience will say that book knowledge is just egghead ramblings and is irrelevant. Both are wrong.

Reading pubmed articles has helped guide my coaching and advice to clients, who have thus got better results. Working under experienced coaches, or watching people like Rippetoe and Dan John coach others, this has also guided my coaching, and got people better results. In fitness as in any other area, it's the combination of book knowledge and experience that helps people achieve useful things.

This.. lol PT forum unite and invade!



I'm glad SOME of you bros agree with me. Let me quote the immortal words (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=641520233&postcount=224) of esteemed member Simmo0508 that capture my sentiments precisely:

"But then you have these kids not listening to you because your post wasn't in the form of a study, which is all they listen to. Pubmed this and pubmed that. Normal discussion isn't allowed. It's a university exam instead. Unless you quote someone else, you aren't entitled to or credible enough to know what you're talking about."

That statement is true. Just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean others can't their that point of view. Welcome to what a forum is meant to be used for.

The main problem other bodybuilding websites have with this sub-forum here at bodybuilding.com is that the majority of people posting things, have very little to no experience (or a low training age) with bodybuilding itself. This sub-forum is actually a laughing stock if you aren't aware. It does not represent the site as a whole very well, not just because of the bad advice sometimes given, but the way people interact as a whole.

Like Kyle said, just reading some articles or some studies does not give one enough coverage in order to plainly dismiss what other more experienced people say it it's own right.

The main beef people have with here is that most simple threads that start off with a question, turns into a self-righteous circle jerk where people try to convince others that they should believe what they personally believe. A topic about A, will somehow get turned all the way into Z. There's only one thing the OP generally wants - a simple and clear answer to THEIR question. If you don't agree with a certain topic he's bringing up, then noone's making that person reply.

If the OP's way off, then yeah a quick suggestion to correct him is fine, but all the links and paragraph after paragraph of overly scientific mumbo jumbo does not help anyone, because most people cannot even understand the terms used. So in the effort of trying to help, it's just a waste of time in the end. Most people want to speak with other people, not with an article or a study. They want to have an actual conversation.

One must understand that the perspective of a young teenager (whom the majority frequents this sub-forum) is much different from the perspective of an experienced bodybuilder who's not only older, but in the actual fitness industry itself. There's a lot of knowledgeable guys in the business that used to post here that don't anymore, because these young kids just think they can do things they way they do currently... forever. Which as we know, doesn't work that way. The body and lifting/nutrition in general does change as the body gets on. Like i mentioned in that post you sarcastically quoted there in bold, all these kids do is listen to these particular studies and have no actual experience with it's application.

Knowledge itself, is nothing without personal application. It's worthless to you if you don't use what you've learnt.

So then when guys who do have experience with things and do have the successes in this business try to help, they get shut down because of a combination of A) haters gon hate, B) if i agree, i'll look like a bro! oh noes!! C) that wasn't on pubmed, so it must not be true and/or work!

Noone minds if people disagree, it's just this whole cult attitude and following some things have.

- broscience: a word that doesn't even exist in real life
- IIFYM crew: a bunch of small guys who typically can't give up their lollipop in order to eat a better diet and show greater commitment so use a little term to justify a certain habit. The initial principle of the idea i agree with, as i do those things myself, but the way they act and present their posts, is not helping them out one bit. It's very holier than thou. To newbies, it's not always explained very well
- experience doesn't mean anything, study's rule all!: like Kyle said, a combination of both is vital in order to succeed in bodybuilding. Knowing human physiology and nutritional basics, but also learning what works for an individual via trial and error.
- mods that actually belittle their members and go against their own T&C at times

Those 4 points above is what is destroying this particular sub-forum imo. Things that do not even exist elsewhere. It's la la land and a bunch of guys who want to feel smart, trying to "one-up" the bigger guys because they know deep down they'll never get to that size or condition.

The biggest thing that has always been a problem... is that most people don't associate their posts with BODYBUILDING, and associate it with WEIGHT LOSS or WEIGHT GAIN. One is a highly specific sport, and one is a general goal. One requires huge amounts of dedication, and the other is a lot more simplistic. The name is bodybuilding.com, where size and conditioning matters. Not generalweightlossgain.com, where a number on the scale is all that matters.

To put it another way, there's actually posters in the normal Misc that have more bodybuilding knowledge than guys here in Nutrition. Sure most threads don't seem that way, but the people themselves are there.

Losing Fat forum doesn't have this problem. Contest Prep forum doesn't have this problem. Misc doesn't have this problem. Exercise forum doesn't have this problem.

I expect to be repped, negged, banned (like always for disagreeing with the "masses"), but whatever helps people sleep at night and prevent teh catabolizmz.

[ErickStevens]

^ tldr

[juliacheh]

I will rep Simon (when off-recharge) for sheer volume of the text (I can only do it for work) and presentation of his arguments.

I want a bet that Cumulonimbus will be a beast in 10 years.

And there is a problem with Contest Prep Section but I'll keep my thoughts to myself (it's in relation to figure competitors).

[alan aragon]

lol

Simmo... You sound mildly irate. Can I get you a cookie? A tissue?

Perhaps a dextrose/glutamine-fortified creatine cookie???

:p

[Simmo0508]

lol

Simmo... You sound mildly irate. Can I get you a cookie? A tissue?

Perhaps a dextrose/glutamine-fortified creatine cookie???

:p

That's exactly what i mean guys ^

You make an attempt to discuss things rationally and have a normal conversation with people and bring up WHY you disagree, and you get **** like that above that you're meant to find in the Misc (i love teh Misc btw), not in the Nutrition forum where people always ask for things to be talked about in detail... and that post above is from a moderator funnily enough lol

So you can't win either way (srs)

P.S. glutamine sucks, likewise creatine imo... get your facts straight about people brah before you make yourself look foolish by assuming things with troll posts. I'm probably less "bro" than you are buddy lmao

[juliacheh]

Typical "figure competitor" posting in Contest Prep Section - clean diet

http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/03/05/31427242/progresspic/1ugKkoELwd1YQ835ErEEtGzEom2gT0484.jpeg?CJAID=10409 403&CJPID=3781606

IIFYM girl who never competed because she is concerned with bringing the best package to the stage if she ever competes.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/7313132

[Simmo0508]

Typical "figure competitor" posting in Contest Prep Section - clean diet

http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2011/03/05/31427242/progresspic/1ugKkoELwd1YQ835ErEEtGzEom2gT0484.jpeg?CJAID=10409 403&CJPID=3781606

IIFYM girl who never competed because she is concerned with bringing the best package to the stage if she ever competes.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/7313132

What's the argument about?

[alan aragon]

That's exactly what i mean guys ^

You make an attempt to discuss things rationally and have a normal conversation with people and bring up WHY you disagree, and you get **** like that above that you're meant to find in the Misc (i love teh Misc btw), not in the Nutrition forum where people always ask for things to be talked about in detail... and that post above is from a moderator funnily enough lol

So you can't win either way (srs)

P.S. glutamine sucks, likewise creatine imo... get your facts straight about people brah before you make yourself look foolish by assuming things with troll posts. I'm probably less "bro" than you are buddy lmaoYour anger seems to increase with every post, my dear boy.... Are you angry, or am I just reading too far into this?

[juliacheh]

What's the argument about?

Who is bigger and leaner?

[DDon1996]

What's the argument about?

Odd- that's what I was going to ask about your post...

[Ghosting]

What's the argument about?


Julia isn't a competitor and even if she leaned out, her back still thicker by a long shot. Julia is IIFYM and the other is "clean" aka broscience.

[jake1224]

jokerandherewego.gif



And I was just about to post that this thread is one big high-fiving Nutrition, Fuk Yea! happyfest.


In for the discussion, I shall begin by pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of Simmo's criticism of the IIFYM mantras compared to the carb timing comment in his user title.

[Simmo0508]

Your anger seems to increase with every post, my dear boy.... Are you angry, or am I just reading too far into this?

Reading too far into it. I'm not an angry person at all.

[Ghosting]

Clarification : Julia is already lean. I mean leaning out down to competition levels.

[Simmo0508]

jokerandherewego.gif



And I was just about to post that this thread is one big high-fiving Nutrition, Fuk Yea! happyfest.


In for the discussion, I shall begin by pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of Simmo's criticism of the IIFYM mantras compared to the carb timing comment in his user title.

I didn't criticise the initial idea BEHIND the term. Read the long ass post again.

I said i agreed with the philosophy for the most part and do it myself, just not it's presentation and how some people oversell it at times and make it seem something it's not.

[joebrosef]

oh here we go...another IIFYM bashing thread.

[juliacheh]

Clarification : Julia is already lean. I mean leaning out down to competition levels.

Clarification - this girl has no business being on stage.
And nobody from Contest Prep ever tells these girls that.
/I'm done on this subject.

[Ghosting]

oh here we go...another IIFYM bashing thread.

Has it always been like this?

[jake1224]

Read the long ass post again.



Didn't read it the first time. problem?




The average idiot on this forum doesn't understand the abstract concepts of moderation or logic so most of us have no choice but to keep it black and white.

[kusok]

That's exactly what i mean guys ^

You make an attempt to discuss things rationally and have a normal conversation with people and bring up WHY you disagree, and you get **** like that above that you're meant to find in the Misc (i love teh Misc btw), not in the Nutrition forum where people always ask for things to be talked about in detail... and that post above is from a moderator funnily enough lol

So you can't win either way (srs)

P.S. glutamine sucks, likewise creatine imo... get your facts straight about people brah before you make yourself look foolish by assuming things with troll posts. I'm probably less "bro" than you are buddy lmao



Simon you HAVE TO explain this to me, you're the perfect guy to do it:

Why are the muscular bros so angry all the time? I observed this always and can't figure this out. Is it the low fat intake and high carb that compromises the happy hormones and gives too much energy? It can't be that because if I'm not mistaken you're now on 120 grams fat and only moderate carbs.
Where does this intensity/anger/aggressiveness come from?
The biggest/leanest guy in my gym is also the loudest and angriest as well. (He is on juice thou)

WTF is going on here?

[Simmo0508]

Simon you HAVE TO explain this to me, you're the perfect guy to do it:

Why are the muscular bros so angry all the time? I observed this always and can't figure this out. Is it the low fat intake and high carb that compromises the happy hormones and gives too much energy? It can't be that because if I'm not mistaken you're now on 120 grams fat and only moderate carbs.
Where does this intensity/anger/aggressiveness come from?
The biggest/leanest guy in my gym is also the loudest and angriest as well. (He is on juice thou)

WTF is going on here?

lol I have no idea what you just said..

[chickeneater]

Your anger seems to increase with every post, my dear boy.... Are you angry, or am I just reading too far into this?
He does'nt seem angry. It seems your'e having fun leading him into anger however.lol


Clarification - this girl has no business being on stage.
And nobody from Contest Prep ever tells these girls that.

Haha, this may very well be one of the best things I've read on this whole forum. Julia, you could be the gatekeeper for fitness competitors. The female Simon Cowell lol. Cant rep till spread around.

Could you imagine if you did though? You'd be mod negged so bad Alan could'nt get you out of the red.

[Ghosting]

Clarification - this girl has no business being on stage.
And nobody from Contest Prep ever tells these girls that.
/I'm done on this subject.


LOL. I wanted to say that but was nice about it. She looks like she has done zero back work. People in that section are really doing her a disservice not being honest. I honestly can't even say she is anything but tan. :)

[kusok]

lol I have no idea what you just said..


I mean you are angry. You say you're not, but you come across as very angry.

Why is that always the case with the "advanced" lifters?

And I repped you last, so I'm not being a jerk here. Just really wondering why you so mad all the time :D

[juliacheh]

Haha, this may very well be one of the best things I've read on this whole forum. Julia, you could be the gatekeeper for fitness competitors. The female Simon Cowell lol. Cant rep till spread around.

Could you imagine if you did though? You'd be mod negged so bad Alan could'nt get you out of the red.

Maybe I'll be mod negged now, but how else could I prove to Simon that IIFYM works?
:D
I'll be the first one to suffer for the holy purpose of IIFYM.

[watertoy]

Especially with nutrition section there needs to be more civility.

It's different to asking about every variant of the bicep curl.

Most people are obese so diet is obviously not the easiest thing to solve.

[alan aragon]

He does'nt seem angry. It seems your'e having fun leading him into anger however.lol Umm, did you read his post? Have you read any of Simmo's posts in this forum? He's furious in almost every one of them. Almost every post of his in this forum is a rant. I'm not sure how you are unable to see this.

[Simmo0508]

I mean you are angry. You say you're not, but you come across as very angry.

Why is that always the case with the "advanced" lifters?

And I repped you last, so I'm not being a jerk here. Just really wondering why you so mad all the time :D

That's the beauty of the internet you see. Never know who you're talking to :p

I am gentle giant but will fux u up at a moment's notice with a swift kick to teh head cuzz

I'm never mad brah. Never jelly. Never irate. Never furious pete. Never upset. Just up in this thrad enjoying some of your jailbait dicussions. A seat over there? Why yes pls.

[DDon1996]

Especially with nutrition section there needs to be more civility.

No doubt about that.

[Simmo0508]

Umm, did you read his post? Have you read any of Simmo's posts in this forum? He's furious in almost every one of them. Almost every post of his in this forum is a rant. I'm not sure how you are unable to see this.

You sound kinda mad brah? Why u mad tho? I'd offer you some green tea to help calm your nerves but i don't know if that's a broscience move or not, and i know how much you hate teh broscience.

:D

[alan aragon]

You sound kinda mad brah? Why u mad tho? I'd offer you some green tea to help calm your nerves but i don't know if that's a broscience move or not, and i know how much you hate teh broscience.

:D
I did LOL upon reading this :D

[jake1224]

No doubt about that.

Disagree.

[DDon1996]

Disagree.

You know what? **** you you stupid cock swallowing bastard. I hope you die and rot in the bloody pits of hell you illegitimate product of incest.

[jake1224]

You know what? **** you you stupid cock swallowing bastard. I hope you die and rot in the bloody pits of hell you illegitimate product of incest.

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/jake1224/2zz6v6x.gif

[2445ricardo]

You know what? **** you you stupid cock swallowing bastard. I hope you die and rot in the bloody pits of hell you illegitimate product of incest.


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/2445ricardo/derp.gif


lol wut??

[Dr. Horse]

http://thingsyoumightnotknowaboutmanuginobili.files.wordp ress.com/2008/06/rodney-king-better.jpg

Can't we all just get along?

[juliacheh]

http://thingsyoumightnotknowaboutmanuginobili.files.wordp ress.com/2008/06/rodney-king-better.jpg

Can't we all just get along?

Is this is a kindergarden?

[bbrock293]

Aspen, California...beautiful.

[Ghosting]

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/jake1224/2zz6v6x.gif

LOL. Perfect gif.

[DDon1996]

LOL. Perfect gif.

That was what I thought too.

[WannaBeATank]

I'm 12, and what is this.

[dejan_85]

I'm 12, and what is this.

Not far off bro, not far off :)

[WonderPug]

The main beef people have with here is that most simple threads that start off with a question, turns into a self-righteous circle jerk where people try to convince others that they should believe what they personally believe....

Simmo, you sound mad, which I don't understand as things are so wonderfully relaxed down under.* ;)





----------------
* I'm currently in Australia and I've yet to run into a single soul (but for tourists) who seemed even a bit agitated.

[Gabriel01]

He does'nt seem angry. It seems your'e having fun leading him into anger however.lol



I strongly agree with this.

Alan, i see Simmo is trying to send a message out there but i see there is a disconnect for some reason with your responses. Where is the love mate?

[Black_Spit]

I can tell your legions are fawning.

But, people don't avoid this subforum because of science, or because it doesn't promote Body For Life or P90X. They avoid it because of a bunch of punk n00bs run around in here with bad attitudes.

[Joseph1990]

This.. lol PT forum unite and invade!




That statement is true. Just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean others can't their that point of view. Welcome to what a forum is meant to be used for.

The main problem other bodybuilding websites have with this sub-forum here at bodybuilding.com is that the majority of people posting things, have very little to no experience (or a low training age) with bodybuilding itself. This sub-forum is actually a laughing stock if you aren't aware. It does not represent the site as a whole very well, not just because of the bad advice sometimes given, but the way people interact as a whole.

Like Kyle said, just reading some articles or some studies does not give one enough coverage in order to plainly dismiss what other more experienced people say it it's own right.

The main beef people have with here is that most simple threads that start off with a question, turns into a self-righteous circle jerk where people try to convince others that they should believe what they personally believe. A topic about A, will somehow get turned all the way into Z. There's only one thing the OP generally wants - a simple and clear answer to THEIR question. If you don't agree with a certain topic he's bringing up, then noone's making that person reply.

If the OP's way off, then yeah a quick suggestion to correct him is fine, but all the links and paragraph after paragraph of overly scientific mumbo jumbo does not help anyone, because most people cannot even understand the terms used. So in the effort of trying to help, it's just a waste of time in the end. Most people want to speak with other people, not with an article or a study. They want to have an actual conversation.

One must understand that the perspective of a young teenager (whom the majority frequents this sub-forum) is much different from the perspective of an experienced bodybuilder who's not only older, but in the actual fitness industry itself. There's a lot of knowledgeable guys in the business that used to post here that don't anymore, because these young kids just think they can do things they way they do currently... forever. Which as we know, doesn't work that way. The body and lifting/nutrition in general does change as the body gets on. Like i mentioned in that post you sarcastically quoted there in bold, all these kids do is listen to these particular studies and have no actual experience with it's application.

Knowledge itself, is nothing without personal application. It's worthless to you if you don't use what you've learnt.

So then when guys who do have experience with things and do have the successes in this business try to help, they get shut down because of a combination of A) haters gon hate, B) if i agree, i'll look like a bro! oh noes!! C) that wasn't on pubmed, so it must not be true and/or work!

Noone minds if people disagree, it's just this whole cult attitude and following some things have.

- broscience: a word that doesn't even exist in real life
- IIFYM crew: a bunch of small guys who typically can't give up their lollipop in order to eat a better diet and show greater commitment so use a little term to justify a certain habit. The initial principle of the idea i agree with, as i do those things myself, but the way they act and present their posts, is not helping them out one bit. It's very holier than thou. To newbies, it's not always explained very well
- experience doesn't mean anything, study's rule all!: like Kyle said, a combination of both is vital in order to succeed in bodybuilding. Knowing human physiology and nutritional basics, but also learning what works for an individual via trial and error.
- mods that actually belittle their members and go against their own T&C at times

Those 4 points above is what is destroying this particular sub-forum imo. Things that do not even exist elsewhere. It's la la land and a bunch of guys who want to feel smart, trying to "one-up" the bigger guys because they know deep down they'll never get to that size or condition.

The biggest thing that has always been a problem... is that most people don't associate their posts with BODYBUILDING, and associate it with WEIGHT LOSS or WEIGHT GAIN. One is a highly specific sport, and one is a general goal. One requires huge amounts of dedication, and the other is a lot more simplistic. The name is bodybuilding.com, where size and conditioning matters. Not generalweightlossgain.com, where a number on the scale is all that matters.

To put it another way, there's actually posters in the normal Misc that have more bodybuilding knowledge than guys here in Nutrition. Sure most threads don't seem that way, but the people themselves are there.

Losing Fat forum doesn't have this problem. Contest Prep forum doesn't have this problem. Misc doesn't have this problem. Exercise forum doesn't have this problem.

I expect to be repped, negged, banned (like always for disagreeing with the "masses"), but whatever helps people sleep at night and prevent teh catabolizmz.

bla bla bla /cry because posters are to young says the 26 year old.

[brendbro]

* I'm currently in Australia and I've yet to run into a single soul (but for tourists) who seemed even a bit agitated.

Welcome to Australia mate :p Where specifically are you visiting?

[alan aragon]

I can tell your legions are fawning.

But, people don't avoid this subforum because of science, or because it doesn't promote Body For Life or P90X. They avoid it because of a bunch of punk n00bs run around in here with bad attitudes.
Judging from this post (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=646234933&postcount=9) of yours, it's clear that you're disgruntled for all the wrong reasons.

[Simmo0508]

bla bla bla /cry because posters are to young says the 26 year old.

Thank you for further proving my point.

[alan aragon]

I strongly agree with this.

Alan, i see Simmo is trying to send a message out there but i see there is a disconnect for some reason with your responses. Where is the love mate?You have not been keeping up with the exchanges between Simmo & I, have you. Don't worry, he'll be fine.

[Joseph1990]

Thank you for further proving my point.

Thank you for proving mine.

[Simmo0508]

Thank you for proving mine.

All part of the service brah

[Black_Spit]

Judging from this post (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=646234933&postcount=9) of yours, it's clear that you're disgruntled for all the wrong reasons.

Well, the link doesn't work so I can only guess, but what would any post I have made out of 18,000 over a decade have to do with the quality of posters in this forum?

The embodiment of Red Herring...

Btw, notice I didn't attack you in my post. I've read the stuff you posted in here for years.

[alan aragon]

Well, the link doesn't work so I can only guess, but what would any post I have made out of 18,000 over a decade have to do with the quality of posters in this forum?

The embodiment of Red Herring...

Btw, notice I didn't attack you in my post. I've read the stuff you posted in here for years.So, you're having technical difficulties on your end, then assuming an attempt at distraction on mine?

[Black_Spit]

So, you're having technical difficulties on your end, then assuming an attempt at distraction on mine?

Are you just messing with me? (srs)

[alan aragon]

Are you just messing with me? (srs)I'm completely serious. I could not have properly formed a point without linking to what I did. If it ain't working for you, then that's a glitch on your end, I can get to the link just fine. It shows you being overassumptive & misinterpreting people's views.

[Black_Spit]

I'm completely serious. I could not have properly formed a point without linking to what I did. If it ain't working for you, then that's a glitch on your end, I can get to the link just fine. It shows you being overassumptive & misinterpreting people's views.

Well, I never claimed to be perfect. That's definitely a flaw of mine. (srs again)

[DDon1996]

I'm completely serious. I could not have properly formed a point without linking to what I did. If it ain't working for you, then that's a glitch on your end, I can get to the link just fine. It shows you being overassumptive & misinterpreting people's views.

I think it's a deleted thread or something, because you can see it whereas us mere mortals can't.

[alan aragon]

I think it's a deleted thread or something, because you can see it whereas us mere mortals can't.
Okay, good catch. I undeleted the thread, but kept it closed. It should be working now.

But keep in mind that I don't intend to rake Black_Spit over the coals for that post. I'm just using it to illustrate a simple misinterpretation (or perhaps a willful exaggeration).

[determined4000]

Alan
This is an honest question that is meant with no disrespect intended
As someone who spent years studying nutrition
Researching
publishing
Making a living giving dietary/nutritional advice
How do you reconcile your flippant dismissal of so many questions and telling so many people on the forums that X and Y dont really matter?
If we are just going to say hit your macros and anything else is irrelevant, what point is there to a nutrition forum?


Note- I am far from some bro who advocates meal timing/frequency or no carbs after dark.

[alan aragon]

Alan
This is an honest question that is meant with no disrespect intended
As someone who spent years studying nutrition
Researching
publishing
Making a living giving dietary/nutritional advice
How do you reconcile your flippant dismissal of so many questions and telling so many people on the forums that X and Y dont really matter?

Note- I am far from some bro who advocates meal timing/frequency or no carbs after dark.Link me to a specific example spurring this concern of yours. It's impossible for me to meaningfully answer such a vague question.

[Zelda55]

Alan
This is an honest question that is meant with no disrespect intended
As someone who spent years studying nutrition
Researching
publishing
Making a living giving dietary/nutritional advice
How do you reconcile your flippant dismissal of so many questions and telling so many people on the forums that X and Y dont really matter?
If we are just going to say hit your macros and anything else is irrelevant, what point is there to a nutrition forum?


Note- I am far from some bro who advocates meal timing/frequency or no carbs after dark.

uhhh-huh....because clearly your vast stashes of mgn whey/cottage cheese/fat-free cheeses/other "clean" products have brought you not only stunning body compositional results, but an exceptionally healthy relationship with food as well.

[xprm311x]

This.. lol PT forum unite and invade!




That statement is true. Just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean others can't their that point of view. Welcome to what a forum is meant to be used for.

The main problem other bodybuilding websites have with this sub-forum here at bodybuilding.com is that the majority of people posting things, have very little to no experience (or a low training age) with bodybuilding itself. This sub-forum is actually a laughing stock if you aren't aware. It does not represent the site as a whole very well, not just because of the bad advice sometimes given, but the way people interact as a whole.

Like Kyle said, just reading some articles or some studies does not give one enough coverage in order to plainly dismiss what other more experienced people say it it's own right.

The main beef people have with here is that most simple threads that start off with a question, turns into a self-righteous circle jerk where people try to convince others that they should believe what they personally believe. A topic about A, will somehow get turned all the way into Z. There's only one thing the OP generally wants - a simple and clear answer to THEIR question. If you don't agree with a certain topic he's bringing up, then noone's making that person reply.

If the OP's way off, then yeah a quick suggestion to correct him is fine, but all the links and paragraph after paragraph of overly scientific mumbo jumbo does not help anyone, because most people cannot even understand the terms used. So in the effort of trying to help, it's just a waste of time in the end. Most people want to speak with other people, not with an article or a study. They want to have an actual conversation.

One must understand that the perspective of a young teenager (whom the majority frequents this sub-forum) is much different from the perspective of an experienced bodybuilder who's not only older, but in the actual fitness industry itself. There's a lot of knowledgeable guys in the business that used to post here that don't anymore, because these young kids just think they can do things they way they do currently... forever. Which as we know, doesn't work that way. The body and lifting/nutrition in general does change as the body gets on. Like i mentioned in that post you sarcastically quoted there in bold, all these kids do is listen to these particular studies and have no actual experience with it's application.

Knowledge itself, is nothing without personal application. It's worthless to you if you don't use what you've learnt.

So then when guys who do have experience with things and do have the successes in this business try to help, they get shut down because of a combination of A) haters gon hate, B) if i agree, i'll look like a bro! oh noes!! C) that wasn't on pubmed, so it must not be true and/or work!

Noone minds if people disagree, it's just this whole cult attitude and following some things have.

- broscience: a word that doesn't even exist in real life
- IIFYM crew: a bunch of small guys who typically can't give up their lollipop in order to eat a better diet and show greater commitment so use a little term to justify a certain habit. The initial principle of the idea i agree with, as i do those things myself, but the way they act and present their posts, is not helping them out one bit. It's very holier than thou. To newbies, it's not always explained very well
- experience doesn't mean anything, study's rule all!: like Kyle said, a combination of both is vital in order to succeed in bodybuilding. Knowing human physiology and nutritional basics, but also learning what works for an individual via trial and error.
- mods that actually belittle their members and go against their own T&C at times

Those 4 points above is what is destroying this particular sub-forum imo. Things that do not even exist elsewhere. It's la la land and a bunch of guys who want to feel smart, trying to "one-up" the bigger guys because they know deep down they'll never get to that size or condition.

The biggest thing that has always been a problem... is that most people don't associate their posts with BODYBUILDING, and associate it with WEIGHT LOSS or WEIGHT GAIN. One is a highly specific sport, and one is a general goal. One requires huge amounts of dedication, and the other is a lot more simplistic. The name is bodybuilding.com, where size and conditioning matters. Not generalweightlossgain.com, where a number on the scale is all that matters.

To put it another way, there's actually posters in the normal Misc that have more bodybuilding knowledge than guys here in Nutrition. Sure most threads don't seem that way, but the people themselves are there.

Losing Fat forum doesn't have this problem. Contest Prep forum doesn't have this problem. Misc doesn't have this problem. Exercise forum doesn't have this problem.

I expect to be repped, negged, banned (like always for disagreeing with the "masses"), but whatever helps people sleep at night and prevent teh catabolizmz.
TLDR

cliffs? worth reading? (don't answer simmo, we know YOU think it's worth reading lol)


lol

Simmo... You sound mildly irate. Can I get you a cookie? A tissue?

Perhaps a dextrose/glutamine-fortified creatine cookie???

:p
lmfao


That's exactly what i mean guys ^

You make an attempt to discuss things rationally and have a normal conversation with people and bring up WHY you disagree, and you get **** like that above that you're meant to find in the Misc (i love teh Misc btw), not in the Nutrition forum where people always ask for things to be talked about in detail... and that post above is from a moderator funnily enough lol

So you can't win either way (srs)

P.S. glutamine sucks, likewise creatine imo... get your facts straight about people brah before you make yourself look foolish by assuming things with troll posts. I'm probably less "bro" than you are buddy lmao
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ77xLbZtm65rwacXM4opdvWD7LFVkPR mRXyIVG4AQCBRJN-gy8eA


http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/jake1224/2zz6v6x.gif
^^I'm seriously crying over here I'm laughing so heard

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSojaKaeaUVBZcnSXKy9lKt66-pp2LJ4vxDJjc5_JiRU327Xe91

[determined4000]

Link me to a specific example spurring this concern of yours. It's impossible for me to meaningfully answer such a vague question.

well, first, what was the purpose of this thread?

[xprm311x]

well, first, what was the purpose of this thread?

the lulz... duh

edit: sorry, question not directed at me. my mouse finger got trigger happy

[Scooter4]

I'm never mad brah. Never jelly. Never irate. Never furious pete. Never upset. Just up in this thrad enjoying some of your jailbait dicussions. A seat over there? Why yes pls.

I see what you did there.

[alan aragon]

well, first, what was the purpose of this thread?Please refer to my response to your previous post, and feel free to re-engage in the line of questioning you initiated:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=648456463&postcount=200

[Simmo0508]

and feel free to re-engage in the line of questioning you initiated:

m_mDTLphIVY

[alan aragon]

^I'm basically asking him not to deflect the question when it's his turn to provide a response. Except, I said it in a much less confrontational way - thanks for ruining that, Simon. :)

[Simmo0508]

I know, i'm just playin brah :p

Determined4000 is a good kid, don't fuk with him too much.

[alan aragon]

I know, i'm just playin brah :p

Determined4000 is a good kid, don't fuk with him too much.http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/i-RDQ02ZQG8/hqdefault.jpg

[getgot211]

uhhh-huh....because clearly your vast stashes of mgn whey/cottage cheese/fat-free cheeses/other "clean" products have brought you not only stunning body compositional results, but an exceptionally healthy relationship with food as well.

MEN does miss his daily pancakes and broccoli...

[joebrosef]

The point of this thread was to tell phaggots that 99% of the crap they believe in is a lie.

[Simmo0508]

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/i-RDQ02ZQG8/hqdefault.jpg

Nobody's gonna fuk on you!! We're on your side. I hate Godzilla! I hate him too! I hate him! He destroys cities. PLEASE! This isn't your fault. I'll get you some pants.

Clean pants.


inb4debateaboutcleanvsdirtypants

[xprm311x]

Nobody's gonna fuk on you!! We're on your side. I hate Godzilla! I hate him too! I hate him! He destroys cities. PLEASE! This isn't your fault. I'll get you some pants.

Clean pants.


inb4debateaboutcleanvsdirtypants

if they're brown pants they're clean right? white pants are dirty cause the cotton is more processed.

[t1ger]

if they're brown pants they're clean right? white pants are dirty cause the cotton is more processed.
hmm

what about black pants?

[Simmo0508]

hmm

what about black pants?

http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/thats_racist01.gif



if they're brown pants they're clean right? white pants are dirty cause the cotton is more processed.

Well the brown pants are a lot slower to go out of style, so they're clean. The white pants go in and out of style very quickly, so you must use good timing. Generally, the whiter the pant, the dirtier.

[WonderPug]

Well the brown pants are a lot slower to go out of style, so they're clean. The white pants go in and out of style very quickly, so you must use good timing. Generally, the whiter the pant, the dirtier.

There's no such thing as clean or dirty pants...oh, hell, never mind.

[jake1224]

These days you can't even go to bed without missing developments and hilarity in a thread.


to touch up on some older points in here;

I really don't think that people 'avoid' this forum. Frankly, I think these boards frequently receive more random googlers than just about anywhere. The only people who know to avoid this place are phaggots sippin' on dat haterade from other fitness websites and people who post in other sections that know how it is here.

That baby GIF I posted is also one of the only ones I consistently laugh at. Hilarious.


Edit: In during clean/dirty jokes that are still funny.

[psychodiver9]

There's no such thing as clean or dirty pants...oh, hell, never mind.
Sorry pug but all the rule have changed in your absence. There are now clean vs dirty pants.

[neuropeptides]

i totally agree op. ive been a long time lurker before becoming a member and have noticed replies getting snappier.. makes me wary of post anything at all

[belairdfence99]

Thank God this was posted, every thread should not turn into a scientific battle.

[iversonmourning]

Joseph, what the hell???
I want to read about rice and chicken and not to look at some butt

:D
Speak for yourself!

[juliacheh]

Speak for yourself!

HUH? Didn't I provide plenty of butt material?
:D

[juliacheh]

i totally agree op. ive been a long time lurker before becoming a member and have noticed replies getting snappier.. makes me wary of post anything at all


Thank God this was posted, every thread should not turn into a scientific battle.

Are you people serious?

[mannydawg]

Are you people serious?

I guess they rather hear what they want to hear when they ask a question. Than to be told what is true based on the scientific literature that is out.

[jake1224]

ITT: Alan Aragon trolls everybody.

[iversonmourning]

HUH? Didn't I provide plenty of butt material?
:D

Lol I jumped the gun w my response. I see that you posted many-a-ass pics/videos. Made me a very happy man at work this Sunday AM while trying to wake up! As has this thread that has taken me 30 minutes to read haha. Good sh*t!

[Ghosting]

I guess they rather hear what they want to hear when they ask a question. Than to be told what is true based on the scientific literature that is out.


I too was thinking that. I was a massive broscientist. Weird though, even though I didn't understand why at first, I accepted Alans word on it. Seems like others a having a hard time accepting it.

Can't see how people are agreeing with him when he is obviously being sarcastic. People need to get their sarcasm meters fixed.

[mannydawg]

I too was thinking that. I was a massive broscientist. Weird though, even though I didn't understand why at first, I accepted Alans word on it. Seems like others a having a hard time accepting it.

Can't see how people are agreeing with him when he is obviously being sarcastic. People need to get their sarcasm meters fixed.

They are bro's, it it sounds like something they want to hear they automatically agree. lol

[Simmo0508]

I too was thinking that. I was a massive broscientist. Weird though, even though I didn't understand why at first, I accepted Alans word on it. Seems like others a having a hard time accepting it.

Can't see how people are agreeing with him when he is obviously being sarcastic. People need to get their sarcasm meters fixed.

Not everybody knows who Alan is and that this was a joke/mock thread initially. Not everyone spends tons of time on here to keep up with what's going on.

If people agree with the point mentioned however, that's their choice.

[Ghosting]

Not everybody knows who Alan

Well that explains it all to me. People who don't know him aren't just going to take his word. :)

[Flyin Ryan]

Can Alan post a thread making fun of those guys that spend way too much time worrying and crying about their "cheat meals" next? That'd be fun I think.

[SideSteal]

ITT: Alan Aragon trolls everybody.

^^ This, and successfully.

[belairdfence99]

Are you people serious?

.....yes I'm serious

[Zelda55]

alan = dumbledore?

bros = dementors/death-eaters?

i just feel safe around the headmaster, but when he's not around i'm scared and feel like my soul is being sucked out.............................don't pretend you don't know these terms.

[alan aragon]

Bump for determined4000 to answer this (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=648456463&postcount=200).

[JohnBrowne]

Alan you better watch out. Emma might ban you for bullying D.

Just kidding.

But seriously.

[mynameisuntz]

hmm

what about black pants?

http://www.thehomeplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ThatsRacist.gif



He does'nt seem angry. It seems your'e having fun leading him into anger however.lol

Dude, you seem like a good guy and all. But please, PLEASE. DOESN'T. YOU'RE. It just hurts my eyes. Please, think of my eyes.

The ' takes the place of the missing letter. Does not = Doesn't as the 'o' is omitted. You are = You're as the 'a' is omitted. Place the ' where the letter is being replaced.

[jmuniverse]

if they're brown pants they're clean right? white pants are dirty cause the cotton is more processed.


hmm

what about black pants?


http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/thats_racist01.gif




Well the brown pants are a lot slower to go out of style, so they're clean. The white pants go in and out of style very quickly, so you must use good timing. Generally, the whiter the pant, the dirtier.


There's no such thing as clean or dirty pants...oh, hell, never mind.

what are the point of these posts?

[Shrederator]

i totally agree op. ive been a long time lurker before becoming a member and have noticed replies getting snappier.. makes me wary of post anything at all

Feel free to post whatever you want.

Your avi is basically a "get out of jail free card."

[mannydawg]

Feel free to post whatever you want.

Your avi is basically a "get out of jail free card."

I lol'd hard, would rep but i'm on the spread

[Flyin Ryan]

i totally agree op. ive been a long time lurker before becoming a member and have noticed replies getting snappier.. makes me wary of post anything at all

Well hi there.

[alan aragon]

Bump for determined4000 to answer this (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=648456463&postcount=200).Bump -- not to harrass or ambush the guy; I'm genuinely interested in what determined4000's basis was for that comment.

[xprm311x]

what are the point of these posts?

lolz

[Joseph1990]

Feel free to post whatever you want.

Your avi is basically a "get out of jail free card."

And that's why you don't get none son.
http://broscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/whiteknight-220x300.jpg

[tanikR32]

now I'm mad that I can't check the forums from work and I miss gems of threads such as this one

I am still trying to figure out what works for me since I know that everybody reacts differently to what they put in to their bodies. I have some pro BBer friends who are very strict with the "clean" foods and tell me that if I don't eat plain chicken breast/brown rice/steamed vegetables every meal I will "get fat". I was fat for many years so it scares me, but I still enjoy delicious foods and calculate everything to hit my macronutrient and calorie goals each day. There are many ways to skin a sweet potato...or you can just mash that bitch up with the skin and enjoy!

[Christiffer]

Thank you Alan for this lulzy read.;) On the other hand my sig still won't appear? :(

[KyleAaron]

He does'nt seem angry. It seems your'e having fun leading him into anger however.lol
He's probably hoping Simmo will flame out so he has an excuse to ban or at least ignore him, and will thus have an excuse to ignore the substantive points Simmo made, or that Simmo will at least say, "fck this" and wander off.

It makes discussions much easier and more pleasant if everyone agrees with you and tells you how awesome you are.

If we are just going to say hit your macros and anything else is irrelevant, what point is there to a nutrition forum?
You are assuming that the purpose of these forums (all of them, not just the nutrition ones) is to serve as a place of discussion and information. It's not. The owners have one intention, the moderators another; the owners want to sell supplements, the moderators - at least some of them - want to be fawned upon by admirers.

Any discussion and learning is purely incidental.

[Joseph1990]

You are assuming that the purpose of these forums (all of them, not just the nutrition ones) is to serve as a place of discussion and information. It's not. The owners have one intention, the moderators another; the owners want to sell supplements, the moderators - at least some of them - want to be fawned upon by admirers.

Any discussion and learning is purely incidental.

This post leads me to believe you hate the world.

[alan aragon]

He's probably hoping Simmo will flame out so he has an excuse to ban or at least ignore him, and will thus have an excuse to ignore the substantive points Simmo made, or that Simmo will at least say, "fck this" and wander off.

It makes discussions much easier and more pleasant if everyone agrees with you and tells you how awesome you are. Wrong. I messed with Simmo for the sheer fun of it, and ended up actually repping him because it turns out he has a good sense of humor. So much for your "bait & kill the opposition" hypothesis.
You are assuming that the purpose of these forums (all of them, not just the nutrition ones) is to serve as a place of discussion and information. It's not. The owners have one intention, the moderators another; the owners want to sell supplements, the moderators - at least some of them - want to be fawned upon by admirers.

Any discussion and learning is purely incidental. Wrong about my intention behind this thread. Also, this particular section of your post leads me to believe you hate the world.