My 9 week PL program

[BPP]

DAY 1

Good Mornings: 45x10, 75x3, 125x3, 150x3, 165x1, 185x1(pr)
Pull-throughs using a 35lb plate: 35x10, 35x10, 35x10
Laying ham curls: 80x10, 90x5, 100x5
Straight leg raises: 5 sets of 15


i was suossed to do reverse hypers and glute-ham raises
but my gym is unequipped and I was unable to find anything to use :(

so i sub'd the curls and pulls for it
the pulls also simulated keg toss which is good for my strongman trainin :)


http://www.elitefitnesssystems.com/documents/9week-training-program.htm

theres the routine

[thx10050]

Lookin' good, BPP. :) Yeah, I've found that glute-hams and reverse hypers are usually only found in those gyms that specialize in PLing or have PLing teams and the like. :( Kinda sucks, cause the glute-ham raise is an excellent exercise.

Anyways, keep it up! :)

[BPP]

thanks bro
im constructing a board tomorrow morning for my board presses tomorrow afternoon hehehe

what do you sub for rev. hyper and the ham-glute raises?

[thx10050]

I'm not the man to ask in this case. :( Sorry, BPP. The gym I went to last summer had those two pieces of equipment, because they had a PL team and it was run by a former PLer, but the people in charge of the Purdue gym probably wouldn't know a reverse hyper if it came up and stuck 45 lb plates up their asses.

[AJ010]

Its lookin good bro. This westside routine is gonna work great for you,

[AJ010]

Its lookin good bro. This westside routine is gonna work great for you.

[BPP]

I sure hope so :)


DAY 2:
ME Bench


We were SWAMPED with calls this morning at the fire department so I ddint have a chance to go get and make my boards, so I did rack lockouts instead from a few inches above my chest

Bench lockouts: 45x10, 95x3, 125x3, 155x3, 185x3, 205x2(45-60sec rest bet. sets)

SKullcrushers: 35x10, 45x10, 55x10(45 seconds between sets)

Pushdowns: 70x10, 90x10, 110x10(45 seconds bet. sets)

wasnt a great day
but i was kinda sore in the lats and such from the pullthroughs yesterday, plus with my busy day on calls I didnt get much to eat today
hopefully thur's workout goes better :cool:

[AJ010]

Good job! How many inches were you pressing on the lockouts? Next time will be better.

[Fullback_45]

Good stuff bro. I read your maxes at Fortifiediron, your going to go up real quick!!! Looks good.

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Good stuff bro. I read your maxes at Fortifiediron, your going to go up real quick!!! Looks good.

thanks bro :cool:



Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Good job! How many inches were you pressing on the lockouts? Next time will be better.

the bar was prolly about 4 inches above my chest
they were comin down very low

[Batz w/ Napalm]

Thanks for little me know bro of your Journal...keep up the great work.

[BPP]

no prob bro
hope your questions got answered

:)


today was my off day
im doin this program Mon/tue, and thur/fri

[wimpybiceps]

were the good mornings you did on your me squat day straight or bent legged? ive been doing bent-legged for my minicycle but i don't think i have been doing them right because i got up to 230 the other day for 1 but i can only squat around 330. anyway i do glute hams on a lat pulldown machine. you can get a rope attachment and hold onto that with weight or with no weight if you fell like you are going to fall at the bottom. i do reverse hypers on a hyper bench but i just lay on it backwards and hold onto the leg holds. i put a dumbell in between my feet and hold it there. i know these are pretty raggedy ways to do those exercises but im just trying to get by. hope this helps, later.

Mike

[BPP]

the good mornings were stiff legged

I looked at the lat pulldown, it just didnt seem like both knees would fit on the bench without fallin off the side

and interesting way on the rev hypers
il look at it
it just didnt look tall enough to fully lower legs without hittin ground

ill check tomorrow :)

[wimpybiceps]

yeah i'm pretty short (5'4") so that is probably one reason why i can get a full extension. if you workout with a partner you could do glute/hams on the ground by having your partner hold your feet and if necessary hold a rope hooked on the cable crossover over your head if you think you are going to fall near the bottom. if you don't have a partner try just hooking your feet under something sturdy. try these and maybe you'll get some use out of one of them. good luck and keep pumping.

Mike

[BPP]

All exercises today done with 45-60sec between sets


DE squat day


Box squats: 45x10, 135x2, then 10 sets of 185x2

Zercher squats: 45x10, 70x5, 90x5, 115x5, 135x5(PR)

BB shrugs: 185x15, 185x15, 185x15


notes:

-box was roughly parallel..had to work with whats available

-was my first time doin Zerchers..loved them..were done to well below parallel

-zerchers will be an AWESOME exercise to train me for the COnan's wheel, as the grip and placement on and of the bar is the same :)

[BPP]

Week 2 Day 1

ME squat

Good Mornings: 45x10, 95x3, 135x3, 165x3, 185x3, 205x1(PR)

Pull throughs: 35lb plate x10, 35x10, 35x10

Straight leg raises: 3 sets of 20

AB pulldown crunches: 50x15, 80x15, 100x15

[AmateurWrestler]

the workouts have been looking pretty good, you lookin strong! :)


btw how do those plate pull-throughs feel? they effective???????

[BPP]

Originally posted by AmateurWrestler
the workouts have been looking pretty good, you lookin strong! :)


btw how do those plate pull-throughs feel? they effective???????

thx bro :) hopefully be hella stronger in 8 more weeks ;)


yeah, they get a pretty good sweat goin, and I use them as practice for Keg Toss in strongman...so I go way back with them, then try ansd explode up, makin sure to squeeze the glutes on the way up

usually lats are a bit sore the next day too
so they have multiple benefits :)

i mean
theyre not a killer like squats
but IMO they work ok

[AmateurWrestler]

awesome man

keep up the good pace your setting!

[BPP]

Originally posted by AmateurWrestler
awesome man

keep up the good pace your setting!

thanks bro :)
the encouragement def helps!

[BPP]

week 2 day 2 :)


Speed Bench: 45x10, 95x5, 105x5, 115x5, 125x5, 135x5, 135x5
(all with 45-60sec rest between)

SKull Crushers: 35x10, 45x10, 55x10, 65x10, 55x10, 45x10
(60sec rest between)

Tri pushdowns: 60x15, 80x15, 90x15

1 Arm presses: 35x10, 35x10, 35x10(alternating arms...75sec rest between)



good workout
good sweat goin :)


got my tire today too...its only like 150 or 200lbs
butwill be good to train speed/endurance/technique on :)

[Fullback_45]

These workouts are looking sweet! Keep at it, there damn good.

[AmateurWrestler]

workout looked like fun, maybe a lil to easy? :) hehe just kidding, keep it up bro

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
These workouts are looking sweet! Keep at it, there damn good.

thanks bro :) hopefully they pay off
ive been hopin they are doin ok



Originally posted by AmateurWrestler
workout looked like fun, maybe a lil to easy? :) hehe just kidding, keep it up bro

seriously though
im following the program and weights recomennded
:confused:

[AJ010]

You're doing it right. Good job on the goodmorning PR!!

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
You're doing it right. Good job on the goodmorning PR!!

thanks :)
havent updated lately
missed thur and fridays workouts due to work and other stuff
just got too busy
o well
back to normal this week :)

[AMG]

Journal looks good so far bro. Nice work.

[BPP]

see: Strongman Event Training journal for today's

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=106437&goto=newpost

[BPP]

OK ive been slackin this week
just got busy
but thats no excuse
back to normal Monday


FRIDAYS WORKOUT:

SPeed bench: 45x10, 95x5, then 10 sets of 135x3, 45-60seconds between sets

Zercher Squats: 45x10, 95x5, 115x5, 135x5, 155x5, 185x3, 200x1(PR by 65lbs)

Bicep curls, alternating straight and cambered bars: 45x10, 55x10, 65x8, 85x5

all in all
good workout
VERY happy with the ZS
hurt on the forearms, but as I learned to accept in Stongman, Its only pain

[AmateurWrestler]

hehe i was just playin about the weights before


good workout!



nice looking zercher, those things can hurt your forearms pretty bad

[BPP]

Originally posted by AmateurWrestler
hehe i was just playin about the weights before


good workout!



nice looking zercher, those things can hurt your forearms pretty bad

hehe thanks :)


yeah
I definately felt those Zerchers! Good practice for the Conan's Wheel though
next time I think ill wear the arm pads I got for the atlas stones! :eek: !!

[AJ010]

Nice zercher! Those are a biatch, i remember them. They hurt so much lol. Keep up the hard work

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Nice zercher! Those are a biatch, i remember them. They hurt so much lol. Keep up the hard work

thnaks :)
i was proud of that weight when I did it today

took quite a grunt
but it got down and back up


these are done to well below parrallel too btw
forgot to put that in
i go way down on these

and yeah they do! lol
i was surprised i didnt bruise last time

[BPP]

Was supossed to go to low box squats today, ddont have a low box, so did regular squats instead

Squats:45x10, 95x5, 135x3, 185x3, 215x3, 235x1, 275x1(PR!!!)


18" DL: 135x5, 225x3, 275x1, 335x1, 385x1

Push Press, 1st rep cleaned: 95x10, 115x5, 135x5

Ab pulldown crunches: 70x15, 90x15, 110x15(PR)

great workout
new squat PR i was hella excited..been wantin to squat all weekend lol
the weight felt heavyon my back but light goin down and up
loved it :)
Now I am feeling GREAT that I WILL hit 300 by the end of this program!!!!

currently now: bench: 215, squat: 275, DL 375, T: 865
goals: bench: 235, squat: 300, DL 400, T: 935

[thx10050]

Great job so far, BPP. :) You'll definitely have to teach me how to do a proper power clean; I'd like to add those into my workouts, maybe. Keep up the good work, buddy.

[BPP]

thanks bro :)

[AMG]

Great workout. Congrats on the PR!

[Fullback_45]

Awsome job bro. 300 shortly!!! Just cant quiet be satisfied with that yet can you!!?!! Keep those PR's comeing

[BPP]

thanks AMG :)
and nope
not satisfied til I get to a decent squat # :p


no workout today
worked
then as I was gonna hit the gym, we had a call for our Dive Team to assist a city aboug 30min away
was out on that from 5pm->now(midnight)

soworkout tomorrow and make today the off day

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thanks AMG :)
and nope
not satisfied til I get to a decent squat # :p


no workout today
worked
then as I was gonna hit the gym, we had a call for our Dive Team to assist a city aboug 30min away
was out on that from 5pm->now(midnight)

soworkout tomorrow and make today the off day



300 is an excellent goal!


once you hit that, 3 plates soon!

[BPP]

Originally posted by AmateurWrestler
300 is an excellent goal!


once you hit that, 3 plates soon!

hellz yeah :cool:

i think thatll be my personal favorite PR as to date

you think my gols are realistic for the end of this program(should be around firs tweek of Augusst for new maxes)?

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
hellz yeah :cool:

i think thatll be my personal favorite PR as to date

you think my gols are realistic for the end of this program(should be around firs tweek of Augusst for new maxes)?


personally, i think you will nail all of them

[BPP]

thanks bro :)
the support defnately helps!!!

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thanks bro :)
the support defnately helps!!!


anytime man :)

[BPP]

didyou know your bday is only 1 day before mine
hehe

just noticed that :p

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
didyou know your bday is only 1 day before mine
hehe

just noticed that :p


hey you are right! :)

good detective work there

[BPP]

todays workout was good...had to change up order due to ppl in way, but good workout..lots of hot girls in the gym today too


Incline DB: 20x10, 35x10, 55x10

JM Presses: 45x10, 75x5, 105x3, 115x3, 125x3, 135x3(PR)
felt weird..first time I had done these

Straight leg raises: 5sets of 15

Floor press: 65x5, 95x3, 135x3, 165x3, 185x3, 195x1, 210x1(PR)
First time on these too..enjoyed them though :)

[Fullback_45]

Congrats on those 2 PR's in one workout. Real nice man!

[AmateurWrestler]

very nice floor press and jm press, looks good there!

[BPP]

Originally posted by AmateurWrestler
very nice floor press and jm press, looks good there!

thanks :)

floors were fun
JMs were just weird
dont know if I got the form real down or not
tried to do it jsut like the video i watched of them though

[BPP]

Good short day :)

Box Squats: 95x10, 165x2, 165x2, 165x2, 165x2, 165x2, 185x2, 185x2, 185x3, 185x3

Last 5 sets of the box squats were super setted with:

Pullthroughs(done keg toss style): 45lb platex5, 45x5, 45x5, 45x5, 45x5(PR)

Bent Over Rows: 135x5, 185x5, 185x5, 185x5

Alt DB Curls: 20x10, 30x8, 35x5

[Fullback_45]

Good workout! Real nice Row.

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Good workout! Real nice Row.

thanks bro :)
they were heavier feelina bit today
hadnt done em ina few weeks
plus bent over alot farther to try and concentrate it more
but still got the 3 sets of 185x5, so i was happy :)

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
Good short day :)

Box Squats: 95x10, 165x2, 165x2, 165x2, 165x2, 165x2, 185x2, 185x2, 185x3, 185x3

Last 5 sets of the box squats were super setted with:

Pullthroughs(done keg toss style): 45lb platex5, 45x5, 45x5, 45x5, 45x5(PR)

Bent Over Rows: 135x5, 185x5, 185x5, 185x5

Alt DB Curls: 20x10, 30x8, 35x5



like fullback said, that is a very very nice bent over row!

[BPP]

thanks bro :)

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thanks bro :)


anytime :)

[BPP]

todays workout was strongman training

see: Strongman Event Training journal :)


this week might be sparse on workouts
VERY busy
work wed + sunday
Fri = 4th july(on duty alll day at the fire station)
also, my EMT class final is thursday so i gotta study for that
plus gotta wash and wax some fire trucks before the 4th

so not alot of free time

[AJ010]

Awesome workout bro. How fast would you say the box squats were? Nice rowing weight too. Keep up the great work.

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Awesome workout bro. How fast would you say the box squats were? Nice rowing weight too. Keep up the great work.

thx bro

um i didnt move super fast on the box squats
kinda slow down, quick pause on the box, then try to explode up is how I do it

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thx bro

um i didnt move super fast on the box squats
kinda slow down, quick pause on the box, then try to explode up is how I do it

Oh ok. Sounds good.

Keep it up bro.

[BPP]

well
didnt get to gym today
spent the morning
1)on a fire call
2) washing and waxing our Tanker truck for the parade friday
3) at the vet with the dog getitn her shots, etc

spent the afternoon
1)at work
2) on 2 seperate firecalls
and now for about the 6th time since I got the car(new in 2001), my driver side window randomly decided it would go down and not come back up
so I cant go to the gym bc anyone can reach in my wide open driverwindow

was gonna see T3 tonight to..not anymore


plus I get to study for tomorrow's EMT final which i am COMPLETELY stressed over

i WAS lookin at doin a bench/DL contest next saturday i found out abt yesterday
o well, not anymore
:(
:mad:

[BPP]

HELLYEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


went to my EMT final all worried....needed 80% to pass the class(mandatory score on final)....

i scored a god damned 90 and passed
went out, used a gift card from bday and got a KICK ASS Digital Camera
then went to the gym, broke my god damned Deadlift record!!!


Deadlifts: 135x5, 225x3, 315x1, 365x1, 385x1(PR), 405x1(30lb pr!)!!!!!!

Straight BB curls: 50x8, 65x6, 80x5, 100x3(PR)

AWESOME night
just went to the gym
said to myslef, imgonna break my god damned Deadlift record tonight
and I DID! YEAH!
*svend karlsen voice* VIIKIIING POOWWEEEERRR!

[AJ010]

Good job bro!! Thats one awesome PR on the deadlifts, and a nice curl to go with it.

[BPP]

thanks bro :)
I am on such a high right now
AND im FINALLY goin to se eT3 in 50minutes
YES!!!



:D

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thanks bro :)
I am on such a high right now
AND im FINALLY goin to se eT3 in 50minutes
YES!!!



:D


Haha sweet bro. :cool: I'd be happy too. :D

Hope you enjoy T3!

Peace

[John Promise]

Congrats on the DL PR!

I just wish I could stop dropping from 305 to 295 every time I take a week off, because it takes me most of the damn cycle to get back up.

Back to the point...Congrats again. Feels nice, doesn't it? :cool:

[BPP]

hell yeha man
i am HELLA PSYCHED!!!!!!!!!!

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Haha sweet bro. :cool: I'd be happy too. :D

Hope you enjoy T3!

Peace


excellent work


damn it you bastard i want to see the movie!


:D

[Fullback_45]

Congrats bro on 400dl. Thats so damn sweet. How did you like T3?

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Congrats bro on 400dl. Thats so damn sweet. How did you like T3?

thnaks bro :)

i liked it! thought it was a cool movie :)

[AmateurWrestler]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thnaks bro :)

i liked it! thought it was a cool movie :)


im seeing it on wedensday! :(



i guess i could use some action figures a video camera and some crudely done special effects with q-tips and paper to recreate the movie..............






damn you :D

[BPP]

Today was a good workout, except I went to put a 25away and got it caught between a falling 25 and a 45 :( Nails a bit bruised and sore, but should be ok

Benches with doubled minis(bands): 45x10, 95x5, 125x5, 125x5, 135x5, 135x5

JM press: 45x10, 65x5, 95x5, 125x3, 135x3

Cleans: 45x10, 95x8, 135x5

Incline DB: 30x10, 50x10

Straight Leg Raises: 2 sets of 15

[BPP]

Tried bands for1st time with squats

Squats: 95x10, 95x5(single mini), 95x5(doubled mini), 95x5(doubled mini, but lowered the bottom a bit so it was tighter), 115x5doubled,145x5(doubled), 165x5(doubled), 215x2doubled, 235x2doubled

18"DL 135x20

Seated Leg Curl 80x20, 100x10

pull down abs 80x10, 100x15, 110x15, 130x10(pr)

notes:
Lower back was sore, so seated leg curls were put in instead of 20 rep 18" DL's and plate pullthroughs. Think its still mad at me for doing most of the work on the 405DL, plus I had to lift while bent over today on the ambulance to pick up backbooards with patients on them so we could get the tape under them to secure their head.

Bands worked well, could really feel em work at the top...im lovin em already! Along with the stares I get :D

[Fullback_45]

All you have to do is tale the patient how much you deadlift and they will realize there in good hands!

Glad to see the bands are working well for you.

[Fullback_45]

On second thaught what i told you above sounds like a sick joke, lol my bad.

[BPP]

haha
I did
shes like uhoh
im pretty heavy!
im like, powerlifting is a hobby, I deadlift 405
lol

[John Promise]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
haha
I did
shes like uhoh
im pretty heavy!
im like, powerlifting is a hobby, I deadlift 405
lol
As long as she didn't weigh more than 405.

...Then again, you could claim it as a new PR :D

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
As long as she didn't weigh more than 405.

...Then again, you could claim it as a new PR :D

LOL :D

[AJ010]

Nice workout! It looks like these bands are gonna do great.

[BPP]

DE bench day

Bench: 45x10, 95x10, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 165x3, 175x3, 175x3

CG Bench: 135x3, 155x3, 170x3, 190x3(PR by 15lbs and 2 extra reps :D )

1 Arm DB Tricep Extensions: 25x10, 20x10, 20x10

Front Plate Raises: 35x10, 45x10, 45x10

NOTES:
ALL bench and CG bench done with a distinct 1 second pause on the chest...felt VERY good afterwards and VERY strong during..think I could have SMOKED a new PR today..but decided to be smart, stick to the program and wait 4 weeks(although I did take up the weight on the last 3 sets of bench..hehe)
Feeling VERY MUCH more confident I will hit my 225 or 235 at least next month. Bench will probably see the least raise of the big 3 PR's, but as long as it goes up!!! Also, the form clicked today..worked hard to get some arch, tight through the body, a good pause, leg drive, and use my breathing. Everything came together about 3rd set of bench, and after that 135 was a joke! VERY VERY HAPPY about that! First time Ive felt like I had a 100% correct bench thruout my whole body!!! :cool:

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
DE bench day

Bench: 45x10, 95x10, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 135x3, 165x3, 175x3, 175x3

CG Bench: 135x3, 155x3, 170x3, 190x3(PR by 15lbs and 2 extra reps :D )

1 Arm DB Tricep Extensions: 25x10, 20x10, 20x10

Front Plate Raises: 35x10, 45x10, 45x10

NOTES:
ALL bench and CG bench done with a distinct 1 second pause on the chest...felt VERY good afterwards and VERY strong during..think I could have SMOKED a new PR today..but decided to be smart, stick to the program and wait 4 weeks(although I did take up the weight on the last 3 sets of bench..hehe)
Feeling VERY MUCH more confident I will hit my 225 or 235 at least next month. Bench will probably see the least raise of the big 3 PR's, but as long as it goes up!!! Also, the form clicked today..worked hard to get some arch, tight through the body, a good pause, leg drive, and use my breathing. Everything came together about 3rd set of bench, and after that 135 was a joke! VERY VERY HAPPY about that! First time Ive felt like I had a 100% correct bench thruout my whole body!!! :cool:

Kickass job bro! That's some nice DE weight you got goin on there. And good job on the Cg Bench. Lookin good man.

Good luck at maxout!

[PainThriller]

Very nice Proppy, you are making some very good progress. 225 to 235 is yours without a doubt. I would go for 240, make the stakes higher lol. Nice close grip as well. A 15 lb PR is awesome.

[BPP]

thanks guys :)
the breathing part really helped, as well as the form
Came down with the 190, paused, and it just easily went back up..whats sad is my CG probably coulda matched my bench PR as of right now today LOL!!! I think that sayas something about where my weakness in the bench is!!

Was cool..lots of big guys around today, 2 reppin out 315, etc...not PL'ers, but THICK THICK weightlifters..god some props and respect from them..was awesome :)


AH! I cant WAIT til August now :D

[John Promise]

190 CG!!! And you're not hitting 225/235 Flat?

bump Pain Thriller and go for 240!

[Fullback_45]

Excellent man!!!!!! Looking awsome. You still have 4 weeks, youll kill your big 3 easy bro. Bump on the 240.

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
190 CG!!! And you're not hitting 225/235 Flat?

bump Pain Thriller and go for 240!

I know! And I thought my tri's were the weak part!!
Just felt easy today *shrug*

and no, my PR currently is 215! Dunno man..i mean, youd think it just HAS to go up :confused:

Yeah, first ill prolly try for 225, then go from there layin to how it feels
:)


and thanks full
i sure hope so!
dunno if the DL will go up much more lol
took a hella effort last week to hit 405
but as logn as squat and bench go up
all is well

[Fullback_45]

Like you said, breathing, technique, it all has its purpose. Maybe your adreneline kicked in with those big guys pounding away aswell. Ill come over on max day and hit 315 about 4 times on the bench to get you going bro! Youll nail a nice PR. The skys the limit!!!

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Like you said, breathing, technique, it all has its purpose. Maybe your adreneline kicked in with those big guys pounding away aswell. Ill come over on max day and hit 315 about 4 times on the bench to get you going bro! Youll nail a nice PR. The skys the limit!!!
haha
thats what I need :)
thanks bro

[AmateurWrestler]

exactly how fullback put it man


you have done excellent on this westside routine


you should hit 240 no doubt by august man you are doing great


my closegrip max is 205 and i can only max at 225 lol


you should have AT LEAST a 225 bench at this point proppy


how much ya weigh these days?


if need be i will come do 315 for 20 reps to get you pumped cause your doing great man :D

[BPP]

thanks bro :)
im hoverin around 230 right now

[BPP]

Went to my gym, 9:20..they close at 10..guy said were closing...called him a dickhead and drove to their rival gym(whos open til 11) and paid 10 to workout


Box squats: 45x10, 135x2, 135x2, 135x2,135x2, 135x2, 135x2, 140x2, 140x2, 150x2, 185x1, 205x1, 225x1

Plate Pullthroughs: 25x8, 35x8, 35x8, 45x8, 45x8(PR)

Lat Pulldowns(weights are per arm): 25x15, 50x8, 85x8, 100x5


NOTES:
Pullthroughs were super-setted with the box squat sets in bold

lat pulldown machine at this gym ROCKS!

box squats were not for PR's, the 1's were for heavy singles

18"DL and Bent over rows were omitted due to time(had to work, and had to spend all the extra time goig to other gym, paying, etc)

[John Promise]

That happens to me a lot. I'll take a nap, but wake up with an hour before my gym closes. So I'll have to rush in, cut exercises, and basically race to get out before they lock the doors.

Anyway, great workout. And what kind of lat pulldown machine did that gym have?

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
That happens to me a lot. I'll take a nap, but wake up with an hour before my gym closes. So I'll have to rush in, cut exercises, and basically race to get out before they lock the doors.

Anyway, great workout. And what kind of lat pulldown machine did that gym have?


its a normal hammer(i think)
you sit, each hand has a seperate handle to grab onto

I just like the way its designed
the angle the weights come down at is good, the lat pulldown machines we have at golds are ****ty, and tend to hurt my shoulders when i use them, so I dont

[Fullback_45]

Nice workout bro. Real nice box squat especialley. The lat machines at my Golds is real nice. There is a dickhead that works in every Golds though. I get sht from one all the time.

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
Went to my gym, 9:20..they close at 10..guy said were closing...called him a dickhead and drove to their rival gym(whos open til 11) and paid 10 to workout


Box squats: 45x10, 135x2, 135x2, 135x2,135x2, 135x2, 135x2, 140x2, 140x2, 150x2, 185x1, 205x1, 225x1

Plate Pullthroughs: 25x8, 35x8, 35x8, 45x8, 45x8(PR)

Lat Pulldowns(weights are per arm): 25x15, 50x8, 85x8, 100x5


NOTES:
Pullthroughs were super-setted with the box squat sets in bold

lat pulldown machine at this gym ROCKS!

box squats were not for PR's, the 1's were for heavy singles

18"DL and Bent over rows were omitted due to time(had to work, and had to spend all the extra time goig to other gym, paying, etc)

Nice workout, even thouigh you had to rush it cuz of that guy. I cant believe he couldnt just let you workout then leave. Oh well. Good job on the PR on pullthroughs! How was the speed on the box squats today? And on the 225x1 set?

[BPP]

the box squats were good
i watched alot of vids of them on tommy fannons site
so didit like them
just sat down, then exploded right back up
really worked at exploding up


woulda gone heavier but they dont have any boxes or flat benches u can move around at that gym
so I used an incline bench bc it was movable, and the seat part went flat, so if I went too far back I hit inlcine...was very awkward, so I got my heavy single and left happy :p

200's weregoin up pretty easy though
think I coulda made a run at my box squat PR
also didnt just bc its like 3weeks til max out so I wanna rest up and not max again til then
as tempting as it is and as much as I feel ready :p

:D

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
the box squats were good
i watched alot of vids of them on tommy fannons site
so didit like them
just sat down, then exploded right back up
really worked at exploding up


woulda gone heavier but they dont have any boxes or flat benches u can move around at that gym
so I used an incline bench bc it was movable, and the seat part went flat, so if I went too far back I hit inlcine...was very awkward, so I got my heavy single and left happy :p

200's weregoin up pretty easy though
think I coulda made a run at my box squat PR
also didnt just bc its like 3weeks til max out so I wanna rest up and not max again til then
as tempting as it is and as much as I feel ready :p

:D

Great, thats good to hear bro. Good luck at maxout!! :)

I know maxing is very tempting :D

[BPP]

YEAH it is
esp after seen Mendy hit 875 with ease :)

[BPP]

EXCELLENT DAY TODAY!

Box SQuats: 95x3, 135x3, 185x3, 225x3, 245x1, 265x1(PR), 280x1(PR), 300x0

18"DL: 135x20, 225x20, 250x10

Pull Down Abs: 70x10, 100x10, 120x10, 140x10(PR), 150x10(PR)


Where to start...everything is beginning to click...Form is beginning to become habit, and click very easy...I've found the position I love my feet, hands and bar on the squats....and I FINALLY got the 18"DL down pat so I use alot of legs(they were quite sore after those lol!)..and the pull down abs I can really feel them working

I can tell this program is goiung well, as my strength has gone thru the roof..I can tell now..I feel stronger and bigger daily

ALMOST got 300on the box squats..got halfway back up and just couldnt lock it, first time ive had 300lbs on ym back though
I REALLY think Ill go for 300 on max day on squats and give it a pretty good chance..as my 280box squat is now HIGHER than my regular squat of 275 LOL!!!

Also the 18"DLs were done with no wrsit straps, so I was very happy with my grip strength.

[BPP]

Also my spotter on the 280box squats told me, wow, you made that look EASY!
I didnt take a very long break(was pretty empty..hard finding spotters, took it when I could)between sets, so I think id have gotten 300 if I had another min or 2 to rest

ALL exercises were done with 30-45 seconds rest...I think I lift heavier with less rest...better toweards 30 than 60even!

MAN im excited to lift every day now!!
i CANT WAIT FOR MAXOUT WOOHOOO!!!!

[AJ010]

Awesome job on the Box squat PR bro!! Thats awesome. Westside is working great for you. No less than 300 at maxout :)

Glad to hear the 18" deads are goin better too

[BPP]

thanks bro :)
300 soon
400 in no time
:D

[AJ010]

No doubt!

[BPP]

Eh, not the greatestworkout today, except for the JM's. Ohwell. It happens :)

Floor Press: 65x5, 95x3, 135x3, 160x3, 190x1, 200x1

JM press: 45x10, 95x5, 135x3, 155x3(PR)

Incline DB: 30x10, 30x10

Push press(from rack): 45x8, 100x8, 115x8

Straight Leg Raises: BWx15, BWx15, BWx15, BWx15, BWx15


Notes:
Shoulder was a bit sore from last night..dog decided to lay in middle of hall, I tripped on her, trying to catch my balance in the air I kinda I guess hyperextended my shoulder like..didnt fall, but made it sore..oh well

Went light on Incline'sbc of that and to work on form

[AJ010]

Not a bad workout bro. Good job on the JMs and floor press. Push press is looking good too.

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Not a bad workout bro. Good job on the JMs and floor press. Push press is looking good too.

thanks bro


JM's were a PR btw
forgot to check that befire I posted

Push presses were weaktoday, Ive done much better when I was concentratin on them for SM contest :)

FLoor presses werent terrible, but didnt feel great..didnt get into the bench groove and feel it good like I did with CG and regular last week

[BPP]

the lat pulldown machine I used at the other gym last friday that I love was the one you saw Tyson used on behind the glory if anyone caught it
afew ppl had asked about it :)

[BPP]

TODAYS WORKOUT:

not that great..


Bench: 135x3x10sets

CG bench: 135x3, 160x3

Overhead DB extensions(2hands): 45x10, 60x10


notes:
body just felt blah today...didnt sleep well, wasnt psyched today...blah, glad its the weekend and 2 days off

skipped plate raises bc shoulders felt nt great

im outtie
workin the county fair for the fire department tonight
plus it gets me in to see Lonestar for free :)

[AJ010]

Good workout bro! Sorry to hear you werent feelin up to par, but it still looked good. We all have those kinda days. So how was Lonestar?

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Good workout bro! Sorry to hear you werent feelin up to par, but it still looked good. We all have those kinda days. So how was Lonestar?

didnt get to see em, was busy doin other FD stuff
oh well, fair was still fun
then i worked til just now(430am)
i gotta get up in 2.5 hours to go to an ALL DAY emergency response BIKE class
and my legs hurt from walking
ah ****

:(

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
didnt get to see em, was busy doin other FD stuff
oh well, fair was still fun
then i worked til just now(430am)
i gotta get up in 2.5 hours to go to an ALL DAY emergency response BIKE class
and my legs hurt from walking
ah ****

:(

Damn. Glad to hear you enjoyed the fair. That sucks though that you had to work so late, AND you had to get up that early for a bike class. How are your legs feeling now? :D

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Damn. Glad to hear you enjoyed the fair. That sucks though that you had to work so late, AND you had to get up that early for a bike class. How are your legs feeling now? :D

they cancelled the bike class :)

but idid have to work..which gets my legs a bit

esp bc we had to move the pianoacross the building
and the leg is weak so we had to carry it
so theyre like your the strongest, you get the heavy end and get to walk backwards
lol

good forearms workout :D

[AJ010]

Hahaha sounds like fun :D Nice workout :p

[John Promise]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
they cancelled the bike class :)

but idid have to work..which gets my legs a bit

esp bc we had to move the pianoacross the building
and the leg is weak so we had to carry it
so theyre like your the strongest, you get the heavy end and get to walk backwards
lol

good forearms workout :D
Hmmm...I always take walking backwards. Seems to be a more competent moving experience that way :D

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
Hmmm...I always take walking backwards. Seems to be a more competent moving experience that way :D

hahaha :D

[John Promise]

So when are you hitting the gym again? This 9 week program is going to turn into a 10-12 week program :D

j/k it'll be great to see some updates again.

[BPP]

hehe
had to take this week off
worked alot, had my EMT state written test, Metallica tickets, 2 golf outings...lol

so Im using it as a rest my sore joints week so I cann assault the next 2 weeks and max :)

I DID get my BENCH SHIRT in the mail this week and tried it on, did a few reps on bench with my 180lb friend since gym was closed then :)

so this week, im gonna give em hell
:cool:

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
hehe
had to take this week off
worked alot, had my EMT state written test, Metallica tickets, 2 golf outings...lol

so Im using it as a rest my sore joints week so I cann assault the next 2 weeks and max :)

I DID get my BENCH SHIRT in the mail this week and tried it on, did a few reps on bench with my 180lb friend since gym was closed then :)

so this week, im gonna give em hell
:cool:

How did your EMT test go? And how was the metallica concert?

Haha, you benched your 180lb friend? :D lol jk, it sounded like you did from what you said :p

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
How did your EMT test go? And how was the metallica concert?

Haha, you benched your 180lb friend? :D lol jk, it sounded like you did from what you said :p

emt test was easy
metallica was a long story(can post if u want)


yeah,hes the one who helpe get me in the damn shirt, took 30min!!!

it was EASY reppin him up though1
i think im gonnalike the shirt :D

[Fullback_45]

Hahaha sweet. How do you like your shirt? What you hopeing youll hit in it or is it to soon to tell?

[BPP]

i love it!

i dunno....i hope to get used to it this week and use it come max out day

im hopin for at least 225, but more towards 240ish :)

I swear
If I had a bench last night leavin the metallica concert, I woulda hit 275 I was SO angry

I was literally shaking I was SO worked up and pissed

[Fullback_45]

Im missing something! What made you pissed at the metallica concert? Was it there worst song St. Anger? lol

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Im missing something! What made you pissed at the metallica concert? Was it there worst song St. Anger? lol

st anger was cool live, jsut doesnt sound clean..too new :)
i love that song though
frantic was cool live though!


ok next post Ill explain my night last niht
it'll be copy/paste from an AIM convo so thats why itll hav my AIM name everywhere lol

[BPP]

kevin and josh = roomates of mine this fall at Purdue
Nikki = girl kevin is dating
mark = friend of ours kinda, moreso friend of russ, or 4th roomate, who was in the other car




Big Poppa Proppy: ok
the nightebfore the show kevin tells me Josh wants to leave early from the show bc Nikki is havin a small partyand they wanna go
i say **** that im not leavin early...
Big Poppa Proppy: sat morn i get home from golf outing
call them

josh has errands to run but took his time sittin around, so they are gonna meet at 2
i bitch bc i wanted to see Mudvayne who was opening, thats where the **** started
Big Poppa Proppy: finally kevin says "i convinced josh to stay the whole time"
so i say ok ill ride with you
Big Poppa Proppy: its me josh kevin and mark in jjosh's truck
Big Poppa Proppy: we get all theway up ther
park
start walkin into the raceway
and they are like 'were leaving early'
bc mark had to be at work by 12 or 1 am, and josh worked at 5am

SO i get VERY pissed and am like **** YOU, all of you
Big Poppa Proppy: we start arguing walkin into the place
and kevin gets pissed
me and him are verbally going at it hardcore walkin in
like josh was seriously tryin to staybetween us so we didnt have a fistfight, and 100% honestly, if we were not in public with cops everywhere, I woulda punched him in the face and fought him right there
Big Poppa Proppy: so we get in
its 345 or 4
Mudvayne was already done and gone, didnt hear them

Deftones was in the middle of their set
Big Poppa Proppy: we sit WAY back on the lawn bc were waitin for russ to get there in their carful so we can meet up

instead of goin to watch close up then comin back to meet them(they were a WAYS away) we sat there
Big Poppa Proppy: i couldnt go off on my own bc i left my phonein the truck since they hadnt told me we were leavin early yet, so if I lost them, i was ****ed
Big Poppa Proppy: they get there, and we sit way back there still thru Linkin Park bc they just *had* to get in line in the ID check to get 21+ bracelets, then *had* to wait in the big line for beer

and all of us just had to stand there with them for some reason
Big Poppa Proppy: so finally we go down to watch Limp Bizkit
Big Poppa Proppy: then for metallica we head back down

josh and kevin me and mark are down there, decently close, good spots, having a good time
Big Poppa Proppy: the crowd got thick quick, so people stopped letting people by to get closer to stage

well i was already pissed bc of kevin and them, and there was lots of idiots at the show

so then this guy behind me uses someone goin thru as an excuse to push
Big Poppa Proppy: hes like "the crowd is pushin what you want me to do"
im lookin, him and his friend have room nad are pushin to try and get past us

so me and kevin both turn around and shove them hard back the other way into people

josh and the guys friend again stop a fistfight from happening
Big Poppa Proppy: so then josh and kevin leave the crowd to pee and get to a more open area
they tell mark to meet them at 1030 back where we originally were
Big Poppa Proppy: they were in their setlist still playing, doing an old KICKASS song(forget which) and used the first pyro of the show when we walked back
then we left as they finished a song, before the first encore was even close to starting

walkin back i heard them play Fuel, then nothing else matters

i was literally shaking on the way back I was so pissed
Big Poppa Proppy: kevin gets pissy again, so were walkin back, prolly 40ppl around us walkin back too
Big Poppa Proppy: i start screamin at him

"**** you dickhead, if Id have known you mother****ers wanted to leve early id have driven myself..instead u ****in lied to me, so **** you bitch"
Big Poppa Proppy: everyones starin at us like WTF
Big Poppa Proppy: that continues back to the car
where I rode home in complete silence
Big Poppa Proppy: i rode with kevin to CP where we left his car at Nikkis
Big Poppa Proppy: i walk in there bc i had no way home
sat there, ignoring everyone who said hi

then someone left so I hitched a ride home 5 min after I got there
Big Poppa Proppy: this mornin kevin got onlie and started more ****
so me and him had it out for 30more minutes online
Big Poppa Proppy: so thats my story of my ****TY ass waste of 84$

[Fullback_45]

Thats fking gay man. You were hyped as hell about seeing Metallica as i remeber. Haveing to leave early must have blowed. Sucked to that you didnt even get to enjoy the other bands. New concert freinds next time?

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Thats fking gay man. You were hyped as hell about seeing Metallica as i remeber. Haveing to leave early must have blowed. Sucked to that you didnt even get to enjoy the other bands. New concert freinds next time?

defiantely
i already told them not to invite me anymore
im gettin my own tickets

i was PIIIIIIISED

oh well
more fuel on the fire in 2 weeks for that 300+squat

[AJ010]

Damn, thats screwed up. Use it for the fuel at maxout!

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Damn, thats screwed up. Use it for the fuel at maxout!

will do
:mad:


300squat here we come

:mad:

[John Promise]

Sounded like a stupid thing to get upset about until I got to the $84 part :D

Seriously, when they said they wanted to leave early, you should have gone back for your phone, and slashed the tires so they couldn't leave...Or at least stolen their keys and wallet.

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
Sounded like a stupid thing to get upset about until I got to the $84 part :D

Seriously, when they said they wanted to leave early, you should have gone back for your phone, and slashed the tires so they couldn't leave...Or at least stolen their keys and wallet.


yeah
but i was too mad
not thinkin straight :)

[BPP]

GM: 45x10, 95x3, 135x3, 185x3, 205x1(tied PR)

Zercher Squats: 45x5, 95x5, 135x5, 165x5, 185x3

18" DL: 135x20, 185x10, 275x5

comments:
-zerchers 185x3 was a 3RM, 200x1 is old 1RM
-205 on GM was a tie of my PR, but felt MUCH better this time...was done with MUCH better form! COulda prolly done 225, but didnt wanna overdo it after my week off =)
good workout, the zerchers then the 20rep 18"dl killed me..wanted to do heavy sets of 10 and work up to a single heavy rep on 18"DL but that wasnt gonna happen today :D

I'm lookin at doin a strongman contest in OCtober, which again has 18"dl as an event, so thats why i wanna get workin heavy on them again
plus cant hurt my regular DL
:D

[BPP]

also
skipped on the pulldown abs today bc i was so damn tired fromthe rest
ill catch em this week sometime :cool:

[AJ010]

Workout looked great. Good job on the GM. The Zerchers looked good too. Howd they feel?

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Workout looked great. Good job on the GM. The Zerchers looked good too. Howd they feel?

Zerchers as usual were hard on the upper forrearms, but arms are gettin used to the feelin..forgot to take my sleeves like I would use in SM competition ah well :)

today will be ME bench, took yesterday off instead of today

but did do some liftin

at fire trainin we did search adn rescue in a tanning salon that just closed. so we fogged out the empty building

WE have a 225lb dummy, gues swho got to carry it to the truck, unload it..drag it out during training..then carry it back to the truck to take back, then unload again lol


then today helped move a freezer and a fridge for the county fair, my moms pierogi shop will be there :)

will gym it up in a bit :cool:

[AJ010]

Great. Hahaha, sounds like you're gonna have some fun :( :D

[BPP]

heh yeah

workin out at a friends today in about 20min
gonna use the shirt for the first time


workin up to heavy triples and signles

if I get close and KNOW i can get a new PR, should I wait the 2 weeks til maxout and not try
or just go for it????

[AJ010]

I'd say go for it. I did that once, and got 190. Two weeks later got the big 2-0-0. It wont hinder you at all, just dont flat bench until you max out.

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
I'd say go for it. I did that once, and got 190. Two weeks later got the big 2-0-0. It wont hinder you at all, just dont flat bench until you max out.


well here it was :)

Bench: 45x10, 95x5, 135x5...then put the bench shirt on with the help of my 2 friends/spotters...135x3, 185x3, 205x1(easy), 225x1(PR), 240x0, 230x1(PR)

SO I got a 15lb PR :)...so ive maxed all 3 lifts during the program lol(forgive me :) ) but max out in 2 weeks...i WILL get more

notes:
-135 with the shirt felt SO light
-205 was 1lb less than my PR, was a joke
-225 was easy
-240 was THIS close to lockin out, just couldnt lock it

**-All lifts were done with narrower than usual grip...the rack for the bar was narrow, so i had my hands out as far as possible, but all that meant was pinkies on the rings, i like to put 2nd and middle fingers on them, or wider :)


VERY happy
bench PR has LOOOOOONNNG been a stumbling block
noticed the shirt first few reps with 185...kinda lost the groove(as muhc as you can with a poly), and noticed the bar pull down or up
oncei learned the line I liked was better..the 230 still pulled abit up, but not as bad

PR's before 9 week program
B: 215
S: 265
DL:375
T: 855

AS of now:
b: 230
S: 275
D: 405
T: 910

NEW goals for max out in 2 weeks:
b: 240
s: 300
D: 415
T:955

[AJ010]

Damn bro! Thats a kickass bench PR! You've improved very well with the program, and at maxout im sure you'll do better. Using the shirt now has also taught you what to expect. Good luck in 2 weeks!!

[John Promise]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
WE have a 225lb dummy, gues swho got to carry it to the truck, unload it..drag it out during training..then carry it back to the truck to take back, then unload again lol

How many times did you whack its head on the ground? :D

Nice work on the PRs...even if it wasn't raw :mad: :D

Good luck with max out.

[BPP]

thanks bro
im SO psyched right now!!!!!!!!!!!!


funny thing was i wasnt even all psyched to lift
we were relaxed, shootin the breeze between sets..i couldnt get pumped and all psyched for some reason..so i was REALLY happywith it

get psyched
and 250 will be mine come august

[John Promise]

August?!?! I like that attitude; kinda reminds me of Mendelson ;)

[AJ010]

If you were psyched, thatd be crazy. :D

[Fullback_45]

Very nice, some solid weight lifting being done on your part here bigpoppa! Now that 230 is of a time past, 240+ is all yours.

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
August?!?! I like that attitude; kinda reminds me of Mendelson ;)

thanks bro :) max outis in 2 weeks :D


Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
If you were psyched, thatd be crazy. :D
yeah, so i GOTTA figure out how to get as psyched as I was the day of my strongman contest!! then itll be like b: 275 S: 315 D: 425 haha :D



Originally posted by Fullback_45
Very nice, some solid weight lifting being done on your part here bigpoppa! Now that 230 is of a time past, 240+ is all yours.

thanks bro =)...cant wait!

[BPP]

thinkin bout maxin at the end of this week instead of waitin til next
and if it doesn tgo well
try one more time next week

im not gonna get my 4 sessions in this week, simply too busy these last few weeks before leavin for Purdue.

SO ill prolly max thursday...then again next week if needed. I am mentally ready to max. :)

We will see :cool:

[AJ010]

Good luck! Let us know how it goes :cool:

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Good luck! Let us know how it goes :cool:


will do
:cool:

[Fullback_45]

Bump! Goodluck bro, your going to do great hiting those maxes!

[BPP]

maxed today...took a friend with as a spotter
drank a bit last night, couldnt have helped :D

I WILL max again next week..decided to skip week 8 and do 2 weeks with a max...that way I can learn how I like it since its my first times, doin all 3 lifts in 1 day, comp. style...just felt ready to max!

any****

i tried something i read in monster muscle, from powerlifter Eric Maroscher..about Freud's Id, and not yelling, etc...but savin the energy totally for the lift...IMO I do much better gruntin, yellin and gettin loud before it ..just me though

also next week will take more time between lifts and get more psyched




went as follows

SQUAT
warmups: 45x10(explosive), 135x3, 225x1
LIFTS: 265x1, 280x1(PR), 300x0
280 was a 5lb PR, felt HEAVY compared to last week when i almost got 3 on box squats..ah well....3 will go up next week :cool:


BENCH
warmups: 45x7(explosive), 135x1(easy)
LIFTS:185x1, 217x1(pr), 225x0, 225x1(PR)
comments:185 was ****, i started it way too high up towards my neck...225 first time couldnt lock it...moved in my grip a tad and struggled it up badly, but got it 2nd attempt..its the weight ive been wantin forever..very happy here.

DEADLIFT
warmup: 135x1(FAST)
LIFTS:225x1(FAST), 315x1(EASY!), 405x0, 405x0, 365x1
comments: these were EASY today..315 flew up like 135..supririsingly, just couldnt get 405 past my knees...got it off the ground, but got stuck there..think my legs were dead from squats...if id have gotten above my knees, ive done so many 18"s i easily woulda got it



COMMENTS:

Squat->felt heavy, confident for 300 next week

Bench->program REALLY helped me off the bottom of the lift...really need to build the top inches...all lifts exploded right off the bottom, just have trouble locking it out..will fix next cycle :)..could've prolyl gotten upwards of 3 off my chest, but lockout = problem :)

DL->problem=first part of lift..off ground, then around shins..if its above my knees, i guarantee i'll lock it....my weakpoint here and squats = legs..NEED more leg power...all my DL's are all back...very strong lower back, but my legs(squats) and lockouts(bench) are severly lagging comparitvely to my DL total

ah well..will try again next week :)


PR's before 9 week program

b: 215
S: 260
D: 375

pr's before today
b: 215raw, 230shirted
S: 275
D: 405

NEW RAW(shirted = next week)
B: 225
S: 280
DL: 405
T: 910(15lb pr)







current total with bench shirt:
b: 230
s: 280
D:405


goals for next week:

B: 240
S: 300
DL: 415
T: 955




sorry bout the long post
but its all pertinent, please respond.. need tips for next week

[BPP]

NOTE: THE MESSAGE ABOVE THIS IS NEW TOO>>READ THAT FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALSO(forgot :) )

after we finished that all
we worked with Olympic lifts a bit..so i actually had someone who kinda knew them to help me with form

worked with the split jerk after the clean

and also did snatches for the first time

worked up to many sets of 95lbs on snatches..good for my first time with NO legs left hehe

just practiced C&J and snatches on the explosiveness and the split jerk part..feel MUCH better about these now

will DEFINATELY work these into my next program(maybe 3x3)
i wanna get to be like shane hamman
im gonna cut a bit..do some O-Lifts, Plyo, etc
i wanna become strong, but also decent looking, big and a decent athelete...just wanna get some explosive leg drive :)

[Fullback_45]

Hey man, awsome!!! You pulled 315 easy lol, thats real nice bro. 225 is a nice pr, your going to nail those next week. Did you use your benchshirt today? Youll hit 250 real real soon now man! Kind of nice opening another door with all those O-lifts eh?!

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Hey man, awsome!!! You pulled 315 easy lol, thats real nice bro. 225 is a nice pr, your going to nail those next week. Did you use your benchshirt today? Youll hit 250 real real soon now man! Kind of nice opening another door with all those O-lifts eh?!

yeah, 315 wasajoke! even my friend was like WTF>.usually 315 is decently heavy, today went up like a joke..maybe if i was fresh and did DL first 405 woulda came up :)

no, todays benching was totally raw :)


yeah, O-lifts are fun, HARD as workout too...like cardio, all the sweat! its nice :)

so yeah, ym DL is WAY ahead of my squat and DL lol
im lookin at maybe doin 3x3 next, whatcah think?

[John Promise]

Kind of funny how stats go...where different people's strengths/weaknesses lie.

Our (raw) bench is about the same, but you DL a heck of a lot more than me. And squats, I'll find out within the next month as I try to ween myself off the smith machine.

Keep up the good numbers!

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
Kind of funny how stats go...where different people's strengths/weaknesses lie.

Our (raw) bench is about the same, but you DL a heck of a lot more than me. And squats, I'll find out within the next month as I try to ween myself off the smith machine.

Keep up the good numbers!
yeah
on FI's online powerlifting contst
the only reasoni even compare to my weight class is my deadlift

others are like 300b, 350/400s, and thenlike 300dl
:p

[BigTraps]

Good work Proppy, keep on kicking (more) ass. :cool:

[PainThriller]

Everything is looking awesome proppy. Keep it going and i think you will surpass those goals of yours when max out comes.

[BPP]

Originally posted by PainThriller
Everything is looking awesome proppy. Keep it going and i think you will surpass those goals of yours when max out comes.

thanks bro :)


Originally posted by BigTraps
Good work Proppy, keep on kicking (more) ass. :cool:
thanks :cool:

[Rookie]

You're kickin ass, BPP!

Awesome job. Thats a lot of PRs in one day! Youll total 1000 very soon!

[BPP]

Originally posted by Rookie
You're kickin ass, BPP!

Awesome job. Thats a lot of PRs in one day! Youll total 1000 very soon! thanks bro
hopefully got 3 more in me this week ;)

[AJ010]

Good job bro! Damn, too bad you missed your goals...but, im sure soon enough you'll hit them.

For bench: Close Grip Rack lockouts, and board presses should help. Tricep work!!

For Deadlift:Olympic lifts like powercleans should help your explosiveness off the floor. You could do extra ROM deadlifts to help the bottom.


Good luck maxing again! Be sure you're fully rested.

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Good job bro! Damn, too bad you missed your goals...but, im sure soon enough you'll hit them.

For bench: Close Grip Rack lockouts, and board presses should help. Tricep work!!

For Deadlift:Olympic lifts like powercleans should help your explosiveness off the floor. You could do extra ROM deadlifts to help the bottom.


Good luck maxing again! Be sure you're fully rested.

thanks bro
i should be fine..givin it a week :)

i got my bench goal, just squat i missed

i worked with CJ and snatch form so Im gonna start doin them alot...wanna get all athletic like Hamman

and thanks for the tips, ill def be hittin those tris hard!!!
im sure ill be speakin with ya alot soon to figure out me next program :)

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thanks bro
i should be fine..givin it a week :)

i got my bench goal, just squat i missed

i worked with CJ and snatch form so Im gonna start doin them alot...wanna get all athletic like Hamman

and thanks for the tips, ill def be hittin those tris hard!!!
im sure ill be speakin with ya alot soon to figure out me next program :)

Anytime man :)

Yeah, i know. Hamman's amazing....i want his skill! :D

When you need help for the next routine ill be sure to check in

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Anytime man :)

Yeah, i know. Hamman's amazing....i want his skill! :D

When you need help for the next routine ill be sure to check in

thanks a ton man :)

[AJ010]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
thanks a ton man :)

No prob!

[BPP]

think ive found my routine next :)

gonna hybrid it adding in some Olympic Lifts and a minimal amoutn of Plyometrics

I wanna not only become stronger, but also faster/more explosive, bigger/leaner, and more of a total "athlete"...Big, ripped, fast, athletic and strong
the PERFECT model of the WSM :D

http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/korte.htm

that + O-lifts
(maybe one a day)

Gonna take stats on b/s/dl, C&J, Cleans and snatches
as well as like vertical/box jumps, etc

tried a vert. jump tonight, on sore legs from max out
got only 19" :(
ah well

well try it again on rested legs before i start this program


********************************************
Look Here for my Final Maxout for this 9 week WestsideProgram later this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
********************************************

[Fullback_45]

I like the looks of the new program alot. Its going to be nice watching your streangth progress through this. I think after football ill probley pursue such a routine as that. LOL During my training this summer I forgot about that speed and agility and plyometrics and stuff hehe, not good. Is a vert jump were you jump strait up, your standard jump?

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
I like the looks of the new program alot. Its going to be nice watching your streangth progress through this. I think after football ill probley pursue such a routine as that. LOL During my training this summer I forgot about that speed and agility and plyometrics and stuff hehe, not good. Is a vert jump were you jump strait up, your standard jump?

yeah
just straight up


thanks bro :) It looks like a good program..just you, the deadlift area, a bench and a power rack..no waitin for DB's, no assistance BS
just you and the bar
i LOVE it

i thinkthis is gonna work out great for me
cant wait to start it actually :p

[John Promise]

That looks like a great program. Good luck with it.

[AJ010]

Good luck at the real maxout!!

And good luck with the new routine! It looks interesting. Have fun trying to be the next hamman ;)

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Good luck at the real maxout!!

And good luck with the new routine! It looks interesting. Have fun trying to be the next hamman ;)

haha
some big shoes to full eh?

interesting in a good way I hope :)
I think ive got a real winner of a program this time
:)



:cool:

[PainThriller]

Good luck on maxout bro, i know youll do well.

[BPP]

Originally posted by PainThriller
Good luck on maxout bro, i know youll do well.

thnaks
found a way to get adrenaline goin b4 my lift

i bought this fake lighter, it shocks you when you press it
im gonna buy a mouthguard (read articles that clamping teeth down hard helps test or adrenaline flow)

so im gonna bite down on a mouthpiece and shock myself a few seconds

i tried it tonight..got my blood flowin well :)

[Fullback_45]

LOL sweet man. What ever it takes, youll blast those max's. Goodluck.

[gibbs_6]

lol good idea on the shocker thing, one other way is to hit yourself, it seems stupid but hey it works for me, i hit myself in the head ribs legs arms to get pumped up, whatever works for ya

[BPP]

Originally posted by gibbs_6
lol good idea on the shocker thing, one other way is to hit yourself, it seems stupid but hey it works for me, i hit myself in the head ribs legs arms to get pumped up, whatever works for ya

heheheh
ill have my spotter pull a mendy and paintbrush me :D

[AJ010]

Hahaha, interesting **** man :D

Good luck!

[BPP]

Test is in 6 hours, 48 minutes
bed time

night all
wish me luck!!



EMT State Practical @ 8am

wish me luck!

6 months
180 classroom hours
24 clinical hours
A Class Final
A State Written Final
and finally the State practical

it all comes down to this test!!

a 96% in the class(3rd best)
a 87% on the State Written Final(2nd best)

..1 to go :-X

[Fullback_45]

Goodluck bro!!! Sure youll do fine!

[John Promise]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Goodluck bro!!! Sure youll do fine!
Bump. You didn't make it this far to fail now.

[AJ010]

Good luck!

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
Bump. You didn't make it this far to fail now.

*sigh*
here goes..been avoiding this since Saturday bc Im embarassed/pissed/frustrated about what happened, but I wont leave everyone hanging
long story, but if your gonna comment on it or read, please read it all..

theres 7 stations...6 required(Medical, Trauma, AED, Long Spine Board, KED) and a random

I flew thru alot of them...wasnt bad at all once I got goin and the nerves went away

thought I passed them all

got called in 1 by 1 to the room being used as the state representative(a state EMS rep)'soffice

she tells me I failed my medical station....i talk to the others and realize I missed 1 step...my bad

It was a scenario that totally caught me off guard and I missed a step..figured o well, I could honestly recite the entire sheet(study sheet was same they use to grade you and pass/fail you) back and forth, no biggie

I go to retest(if you fail 1-3 stations, u can retest them once more same day)


I get caught offguard again, but go straight down the sheet, making sure to hit each point...basically, first 5 steps are simple(no additional help needed, wearing gloves, etc)
go thru the next few(rapid transport, general impression, level of conciousness, etc)

i get to my ABC's after that(airway, breathing, circulation)
thats the #1 thing on the sheet...you work down to there, and do NOT go on until you fix that....well my scenario was a 6yr old choking on candy..so I stopped...said "now ill do my ABC's...airway is obviously blocked, so to fix that id....etc"

long story short, I go back to her office. If you had a comment/concern/complaint about anything, you had to bring it up BEFORE they tell you pass/fail(stupid IMO)...so I say, I did this, this this, step by step, and couldnt go on bc of airway problems)the state rep tells me I failed my retest, im like why? shes like I cant tell you, were here to test, not to learn...im like then what are the complaints even for if your not even gonna give me an answer or comment on it...she wuldnt give me an answer..i go i can recite the damn sheet for you, and verbally go step by step, telling everything i WOULD do, AND what I couldnt/wouldnt do, and why....show EXTREME proficiency...she says again, sorry...so I say whatever, open the door( was pissed so the door kinda slammed open) and walked out..instructor 1 grabs me and tells me to settle down, i walk away, the other guy, pat, pulls me inot another room..me and Pat are friends, hes a great guy...he really cared I could tell and tried to calm me down and comfort me...

well I found out 2 things since Saturday:
1) I failed bc my tester said I did not open the airway...1) i said, onto my ABCs, for airway....2) the scenario had the kid lying on the ground...kids airways are open when their head is in a natural lying position...3) I ventilated, to ventilate effectively, the airway HAS to be open to get any air IN

2) the State Rep was upset with my attitude, says I almost hit her with the door, and is probably writing me up for "unprofessional behavior" which can have consequences anywhere from nothing to not being allowed to retest that station, to being barred from becoming an EMT in Indiana.


Well see what happens..I have another chance by protocol at that station, september 13th...I know Ill pass easily..but its the principle. I havent even turned my fire pager on this weekend ive been so disgusted with it all, plus I dont frankyl want to deal with the officers on the department who i know are gonna ask about it or comment, and dont wanna answer to anyone or talk about it. Right now I frankly dont care if I get my certification or not..Im perfectly fine with just finishing my degree and being like a strength coach or something..thats how upset I am at it all..and Ive been thinking about it for 3 days and calmed down since(until I found out bout the write up about 20min ago)

sorry for the long story

[Fullback_45]

When you said you ventilated the childs throat, isnt that the same as clearing the airway?

Some people are just fked up. People with senority take pride in going on Power Trips. Dont lose sight your goals man! Keep your head up long enough and go strong and you will prevail. IM sure you know all about that though!!!!!!!!

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
When you said you ventilated the childs throat, isnt that the same as clearing the airway?

Some people are just fked up. People with senority take pride in going on Power Trips. Dont lose sight your goals man! Keep your head up long enough and go strong and you will prevail. IM sure you know all about that though!!!!!!!!

they wanted me to say "i would open the airway" eg: position the head

but like I said
I said i was doin my ABC's, ventilated(where the head would be so that the airway was open)etc
basically, any of the ppl I knew rom a fire dept wouldve realized I did EVERYTHING right and just didnt say the line they wanted, and wouldve realized i knew what I was doing..i got these 2 OLD emt's i didnt know...BAH god hates me, bad luck

so yeah, ANYONE else in that building and Id have passed im sure...not cool at all


yeah, Im just glad i leavetomorrow for good for Purdue...I cannot deal with the fire dept right now...cant deal with their comments/questions/remarks....I guess the captain is 'disappointed' that I had the 'unprofessional behavior"


im like glad he heard my side
or was there to see me "almost hit her with a door"

:rolleyes: X1000

blah
all i wanna do is get down to school, have a great time, and hit the new gym I signed up at :) Its called Flex Appeal..they have lots of strongman equipment...a pro strongman as a trainer...and a wall of fame where theres red writing in specific areas for bench, dead, squat and contest

you get ur pic up ther for:
bench: 350
Dead: 500
squat: ?
contest: competing

so before next summer my goal is to get on that wall with a 500 deadlift :cool: time to get workin on that, a nice stepping stone on my way to the world record :)
I plan to train harder than ever, watch my diet better, lean out, and get faster/stronger/bigger/more explisive/more athletic

big goals
but I wanna come back next summer and have my friends/family be like "DAMN boy, what you been eating!?" and such
lofty goals, but then again, aim for the heavens..even if you fall short, youll be among the stars :)

[Fullback_45]

Sweet man. Collage eh!!! You still goign to keep a journal?

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Sweet man. Collage eh!!! You still goign to keep a journal?

yep

ill starta new one
but ill have a journal :)

[AJ010]

Damn bro, you got ****in gipped. That sucks. I'd have reacted the same way.

[John Promise]

That sucks bro. I can't believe she wants to pursue your "attitude." Everyone depends on passing that test, how does she expect people to take failure?

She's probably just threatening all that to get an apology. Even if you don't want to give her one, just show everyone you're a better man than just quitting. Go back, tell them what they want to hear, and go from there. :cool:

Good luck in college. The new gym sounds cool, but it needs a more hardcore name :D

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
That sucks bro. I can't believe she wants to pursue your "attitude." Everyone depends on passing that test, how does she expect people to take failure?

She's probably just threatening all that to get an apology. Even if you don't want to give her one, just show everyone you're a better man than just quitting. Go back, tell them what they want to hear, and go from there. :cool:

Good luck in college. The new gym sounds cool, but it needs a more hardcore name :D
hehe yeah, well they wanna bring in regular people and women still too, so they try not to say theyre "hardcore: :p


and yeah, i sucks, i have no clue who she is either...but id apoligize for "almost hittin her", but not my attitude

:) thanks for the kind words all

[Nino]

From your description, it sounds like you handled the situation well. I'd have likely said "I'll ventilate YOU, ya ****in hag!"

Yet another reason my wife keeps me at home instead of roaming among my fellow man...

I hope you resolve things in the end. Don't let one person stand in the way of something you are passionate about. Easier said than done, I know...

*grunts and goes back to doing Troll construction on the house*

[BPP]

Originally posted by Nino
From your description, it sounds like you handled the situation well. I'd have likely said "I'll ventilate YOU, ya ****in hag!"

Yet another reason my wife keeps me at home instead of roaming among my fellow man...

I hope you resolve things in the end. Don't let one person stand in the way of something you are passionate about. Easier said than done, I know...

*grunts and goes back to doing Troll construction on the house*

lol..im glad thats all that happened...inherited a bad temper from mi dad....thanks bro..as long as she doesnt pursue the write up and a harsh punishment ill be ok

lol

[BPP]

ill be offline for awhile..movin the CP down to Purdue today...ill be back online whenevr internet gets set up at our place :)
were payin 15/month/person to get 1.2Mb/sec :D

ciao for now
Prop

[AJ010]

Have fun while you're enjoyin life at its fullest :D

At least get to 8000 posts before you go :D

[BPP]

back online :)

been partyin literally til about 5am every night since tuesday...i LOVE college so far :)

anywho, here was this weeks workouts:

TUESDAY 19th

BB curl: 40x10, 50x8, 70x6, 80x5
Lat Pulldowns: 35(/side)x10, 50x10, 70x8
DB 1 arm rows: 45x10, 55x8, 70x5, 70x6
DL: 135x5, 185x5, 225x5


WED 20th

DB bench: 25x10, 45x8, 60x8
CG bench: 95x10, 125x5, 165x5, 185x3(3 rep PR)
DB Log Press(facing e/o): 25x10, 35x8
Tricep Pushdowns: 60x10, 70x8, 80x6, 90x6


just kinda doin some stuff havent done in awhile this week
hopefully start my 3x3OLY hybid Monday :)


this gym is badass

Flex Appeal in west lafayette

PLENtY of strongman equipment, no bs, a wall of fame for competitors and bench/squat/dl..etc
the gym ive been waitin for my whole life :)

also been eating verywell this week(buyin own groceries too!) except for alcohol, and 1 night of pizza not too shabby for my first near week onmy own :)

[Fullback_45]

IM really glad you'r loveing collage. Sweet that you now get to work out in a kick ass gym.

Everything looked strong. Especialley the CG benchpress!

[AJ010]

Seems liek you were offline for quite a while :rolleyes: :D

College is sounding like a blast. And to think im just startin h.s. now. :)

The workout looked pretty easy. Just gettn the feel of it again?

3x3 oly routine is gonna kickass. I want to try that sometime.

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
IM really glad you'r loveing collage. Sweet that you now get to work out in a kick ass gym.

Everything looked strong. Especialley the CG benchpress!

hehe yeah, thats 3rd rep was a bitch :)
old 1 RM was 180 before this last program, so 185xTHREE wasnt bad :)



and US->i cant wait to start it bro!!


were havin ppl over her tonight..im grillin some steaks right now, and chicken for the neighbor girls..and drinkin a beer
lifeis good :)

[John Promise]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
hehe yeah, thats 3rd rep was a bitch :)
old 1 RM was 180 before this last program, so 185xTHREE wasnt bad :)



and US->i cant wait to start it bro!!


were havin ppl over her tonight..im grillin some steaks right now, and chicken for the neighbor girls..and drinkin a beer
lifeis good :)
Sounds like fun, just don't flunk yourself out with all that partying.

When do classes start btw?

[AJ010]

Lots of fun :)

Enjoy :D

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
Sounds like fun, just don't flunk yourself out with all that partying.

When do classes start btw?

classes start monday 730am :(


but yeah, ill get serious for 4.5 days per week soon :)

[John Promise]

:confused:

Forgot what I wanted to ask...my mind is too tired.

Tonight's B&B epi even suffers, but got to keep the fans happy :D

[BPP]

im definately eatin better here

just had 2 steaks and 2 burgers for dinner
corn breads in the oven

i love my apartment and college

im gonna get SWOL like never before
strong as a bull
and explosive/fast like a cheetah

look out NASS, the next big thing in the strongman world is on his way :cool:

[Fullback_45]

Got to love that corn bread! Wish i could your BBQ's!

[BPP]

Originally posted by Fullback_45
Got to love that corn bread! Wish i could your BBQ's!

come over anytime bud :)

[BPP]

this program has been over

i started my new one today

PLEASE everyone keep postin in the new one :)
love feedback!!!

[John Promise]

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
this program has been over

i started my new one today

PLEASE everyone keep postin in the new one :)
love feedback!!!
As in a new thread? Where is it?

[BPP]

Originally posted by John Promise
As in a new thread? Where is it?

its in this journal secton bro

NEW-3x3 hybrid


its up there :)




anyways, Im jsut puttin this here bc the other thread is new and unclutterred with this, and i told you all the story here in this journal, so I figure id finish the story here....then i promise ill let this die and keep it to my new one :)


found otu some more today about my situation with the EMT test and the state


i guess she DID write me up and IS probably barring me from becoming an EMT in Indiana

the EMS commision of Indiana now considers me "unprofessional" and "violent"

ive been told to write a letter of apology, if I mean it or not, anad hopefully that will let me retest..but they still might not let me get certified


plus my fire chief/captain are pissed I havent writtne one yet, so bc of that and my being "violent" they prolly wotn let me work for them I was told today by my roomie who hearsinside things like that from captain


they told the whole story and talked about it to him, but NONE of them, chief captain ANYONE,has contacted me about it or what to do, or to even check on how im doing..they KNOW how hard I took that

so I think thats QUITE ****tyof them, and makes me not wanna write my letter even more

at this point, Im ready to just let it go and move on, finish my health and fitness degree, double major and minor within the same area, and try and become a strength coach somewhere. Seriously, all that makes me happy anymore is powerlifting/strongman/the gym. Before I thought firefighting did moreso, but not anymore..not with the way theyve acted lately...they talk all about the brotherhood..yeah, with my other boys on the deparmtnet...not the leadership...they dont give a **** as long as they dont get their hands dirty..which is even worse bc we all live close by, were volunteer and all on first name basis...its a small volunteer department, not some huge career where youd expect that. It has left a VERY bad taste in my mouth and I dont wanna deal with it at this point in my life. I see fire engines roll every day here at Purdue, and yeah I miss runnin the siren in the truck and the excitement of the cal.. But I dont miss the sleepless nights, missed workouts, missed activities...I am enjoying sleeping thru the night, my first true college expeience, and lifting and eating like never before. At this point I just dont feel a need or burden to deal with it..im at peace just letting it go and dealing with it in the future if I so decide. I dunno...Im gonna think about it ALOT more, and I know all of you are gonna tell me to write the letter and just bite the bullet on this one...but like everyones parents always told them..sometimes the right thing isnt popular, and the popular thing isnt right...sometimes you just gotta stand up for what you believe in, and accept the consequences. Between the way I was treated the day of the test, afterwards by my department(leaders, not members) and the general lack of caring by anyone but my roomates as to if I even made it safely home( i was hysterical leaving the building..enraged, bawling, just every emotion)...noone even called to make sure I didnt wrap my car around a tree on the way home. Like I said, I am at peace with just enjoying these years of my life Ill never get back.
ANy advice is welcome.

[AJ010]

Damn bro, that sucks. I dont know what to say. It sucks that you just got cheated out of an EMT degree you worked so hard for. Maybe you should just write the letter, maybe you shouldnt. Its up to you. Maybe contact them via other methods.

[BPP]

Originally posted by UnlimitedSteel
Damn bro, that sucks. I dont know what to say. It sucks that you just got cheated out of an EMT degree you worked so hard for. Maybe you should just write the letter, maybe you shouldnt. Its up to you. Maybe contact them via other methods.

sorry for the long read all :p


im gonna write the letter

then I can say whatever happens, I did EVEYTHING asked of me, and passed it in the top 3% or so of my class(finished 3rd in the class grade wise, 3rd on the state written in my class, and i think T-2nd on the class final)...i can say i didall that, got screwed, passed themedical station at my retest AGAIN, and then either got it the hard way or got screwed again

then its all on them, not me..i wont regret a thing..ill have done everything I could..AND stood up for what I believed in...and I can be at peace with that.

[John Promise]

Damn that sucks. Whatever you choose, I hope it works out.

But have you considered certification in another state? Probably mean having to go through the whole process again, but it would be a fresh start.