"5K in a Day" Sample Day of Meals: Photos & Info

[2020Wellness]

Meal 1
8oz Skim Milk - 100 calories
2 Scoops Scivation Whey - 200 calories
1 Serving Walnuts - 200 calories
3 Servings Oats - 450 calories
25g Brown Sugar - 100 calories

Total - 1050 calories
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Meal 2
1 Scoop Myofusion Whey - 140 calories
1 Scoop Scivation Whey - 100 calories
12oz Skim Milk - 150 calories
3 Slices Oat Bread - 360 calories
1 Serving Almonds - 160 calories
1 Banana - 100 calories

Total - 1000 calories
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Meal 3
3 Servings Cottage Cheese w/ Blueberries - 350 calories
8oz Skim Milk - 200 calories
2 Slices Oat Bread - 240 calories
1 Serving Almonds - 160 calories

Total - 950 calories
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Meal 4
8 oz Skim Milk - 100 calories
1 Scoop Scivation Whey - 100 calories
2 Servings Almonds - 320 calories
2 3/4 Servings Beef Jerky - 220 calories
1 Serving Guacamole Chips - 150 calories

Total - 900 calories
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Meal 5
6oz Dark Chicken Meat - 400 calories
3oz White Chicken Meat - 100 calories
16oz Skim Milk - 200 calories
3 Pumpkin Protein Cookies - 240 calories

Total - 940 calories
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I also had a serving of SizeOn and Superpump250, which brings the total daily intake to 5030 calories.

[WonderPug]

I can think of so many ways to have so much more fun with 5,000 calories.

[2020Wellness]

I can think of so many ways to have so much more fun with 5,000 calories.

Sounds like a quote from American Pie to me.

On a serious note though, there is no way I'm going to be eating junk on a daily basis to get my cals in. Keeping it clean is the way to go IMO.

[WonderPug]

Keeping it clean is the way to go IMO.

Are you saying that you wash your food? ;)

[lovingit]

Nice, Ryan! I'm full just looking at it. :p

[matt_nyc]

looks delicious

[JValjean724]

nice... nom nom
The fact that this diet can elicit this type of response says a whole lot about how the kinds of things people eat on a day to day basis.


I can think of so many ways to have so much more fun with 5,000 calories.

I know what a waste......so boring!

I should make a new thread "2.8K in a Day"....it would be infinitely more exciting

[desslok]

Not one meal?

[ErickStevens]

Sounds like a quote from American Pie to me.

On a serious note though, there is no way I'm going to be eating junk on a daily basis to get my cals in. Keeping it clean is the way to go IMO.


Are you saying that you wash your food? ;)

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/3/37/AndHereWeGo.gif

[2020Wellness]

Are you saying that you wash your food? ;)
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure.........


looks delicious
Thanks!


The fact that this diet can elicit this type of response says a whole lot about how the kinds of things people eat on a day to day basis.
Pretty much everything in those pictures tastes awesome.

I know what a waste......so boring!

I should make a new thread "2.8K in a Day"....it would be infinitely more exciting.
The thing is that you view 5K as cheat day most likely, I view it a daily intake right now. If I did something like 8K in a day, then I'd want to eat some junk. But 5K, I don't think so.

See Bold.

[PJR23]

Could just eat 2 lbs of slab bacon. I would not. But thats just me. But as far as body composition goes it really does not matter as long as it fits in your macros.

Cals4892
Fat388
gCholesterol1004
mgSodium20962
mgCarbs0
gFiber0
gProtein324

[2020Wellness]

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/3/37/AndHereWeGo.gif

Lol, I'm not going to feed into that crap Erick. I'm aware of the 'clean' dilemma, and I prefer to eat clean foods the majority of the time and call those foods clean, regardless of what others say about the term 'clean.'

[2020Wellness]

Could just eat 2 lbs of slab bacon. I would not. But thats just me. But as far as body composition goes it really does not matter as long as it fits in your macros.

Cals4892
Fat388
gCholesterol1004
mgSodium20962
mgCarbs0
gFiber0
gProtein324

Had to laugh at that last line. I'll give you $1000.00 to eat solely 2lbs of bacon every day for a year and we'll see how your body handles it.

[WonderPug]

I prefer to eat clean foods the majority of the time and call those foods clean, regardless of what others say about the term 'clean.'

I'm always shocked when people use the term "clean food", as if it has any meaning. Basically, you're just saying "I eat the food that I think I'm suposed to eat". That's very informative.

That said, I'm really curious about how you define "clean food".

[PJR23]

only quoting what gets preached on here daily bro. Not saying i agree ,as i tend to eat more like you. I feel better when i eat "healthier" options. If you say that on here though you get crucified because body composition and being healthy are two different entities. Again, I prefer to eat healthier than bacon and my comment was in jest.

[2020Wellness]

I'm always shocked when people use the term "clean food", as if it has any meaning. Basically, you're just saying "I eat the food that I think I'm suposed to eat". That's very informative.

That said, I'm really curious about how you define "clean food".

No offense, but I'm not getting into this debate with you. I posted up my meals because people have been asking me for them, specifically how to get 5K in a day.

This is not a thread to debate clean vs. dirty, or whether or not the term 'clean' is a term that should even be used.

I use the term 'clean' when helping people, and people love what I do for them. It gets the point across, and people relate to it and understand it. Therefore, I'll keep using it.

[2020Wellness]

only quoting what gets preached on here daily bro. Not saying i agree ,as i tend to eat more like you. I feel better when i eat "healthier" options. If you say that on here though you get crucified because body composition and being healthy are two different entities. Again, I prefer to eat healthier than bacon and my comment was in jest.

Good, because I was pretty horrified in thinking that someone could actually believe what you said, lol.

[JValjean724]

See Bold.

I wasn't referring to cheating at all, though for me yes 5k would be quite the cheat. The term "junk food" to me has no meaning.

My main point was that if I was going to start a new thread with the sole purpose of showing off my diet I'd make sure my diet was more exciting than eating a bunch of plain bread and whey shakes all day.

[WonderPug]

I use the term 'clean' when helping people, and people love what I do for them. It gets the point across, and people relate to it and understand it. Therefore, I'll keep using it.

At least you didn't try to define the term. Most times, when people go that route, it getting pretty darn comical.

By the way, the easiest way to get to 5,000 calories is to eat calorically dense foods. Products like skim milk, skinless checken and an abundance of protein shakes isn't the most volume efficient or (to many people) tastiest way to consume a relatively high volume of calories. And it's not even the "healthiest", as whole foods are clearly superior to an overdependance on protein supplements.

[adamg8504]

5 scoops of whey and 5 slices of bread with nothing on them or in between them?

Where's the steak and potato?

[2020Wellness]

At least you didn't try to define the term. Most times, when people go that route, it getting pretty darn comical.

By the way, the easiest way to get to 5,000 calories is to eat calorically dense foods. Products like skim milk, skinless checken and an abundance of protein shakes isn't the most volume efficient or (to many people) tastiest way to consume a relatively high volume of calories. And it's not even the "healthiest", as whole foods are clearly superior to an overdependance on protein supplements.

I have my definitions, just not getting into it.

If by calorically dense, you mean fatty, I had my almonds, walnuts, and dark chicken meat. I'm not going to base my meals around fats though, as they would eat up my calories and leave me with little room for protein and carbs. Protein and carbs are important to me.

[2020Wellness]

5 scoops of whey and 5 slices of bread with nothing on them or in between them?

Where's the steak and potato?

I had beef the other day, as well as sweet potatoes. Keep in mind, this is just one day.

[WonderPug]

I'm not going to base my meals around fats though, as they would eat up my calories and leave me with little room for protein and carbs. Protein and carbs are important to me.

You only need at the absolute most 300 grams of protein and that's aiming at the outer band of physiological requirements (assuming no special "supplements") and you have 5,000 calories to play with.

Thus, protein requirements are met in, at most, 1,200 calories. Let's say you want to eat 400 grams of carbs, with is a high intake for someone of your bodyweight. That's another 1,600 calories. Now you have room for 2,200 calories of yummy fat. Yes, that means you can have a steak and not just "supplement with nuts for fat".

I think you're selecting foods based on this magical concept that "clean foods" are "better" and not based on an analysis of micro/macronutrient sufficiency.

[JValjean724]

You only need at the absolute most 300 grams of protein and that's aiming at the outer band of physiological requirements (assuming no special "supplements") and you have 5,000 calories to play with.

Thus, protein requirements are met in, at most, 1,200 calories. Let's say you want to eat 400 grams of carbs, with is a high intake for someone of your bodyweight. That's another 1,600 calories. Now you have room for 2,200 calories of yummy fat. Yes, that means you can have a steak and not just "supplement with nuts for fat".

I think you're selecting foods based on this magical concept that "clean foods" are "better" and not based on an analysis of micro/macronutrient sufficiency.

:eek:

Do you know who you are talking to??!!

This guy is an expert!

[WonderPug]

^ An expert at what, cleaning food? ;)

[2020Wellness]

You only need at the absolute most 300 grams of protein and that's aiming at the outer band of physiological requirements (assuming no special "supplements") and you have 5,000 calories to play with.

Thus, protein requirements are met in, at most, 1,200 calories. Let's say you want to eat 400 grams of carbs, with is a high intake for someone of your bodyweight. That's another 1,600 calories. Now you have room for 2,200 calories of yummy fat. Yes, that means you can have a steak and not just "supplement with nuts for fat".

I think you're selecting foods based on this magical concept that "clean foods" are "better" and not based on an analysis of micro/macronutrient sufficiency.

Based on your last statement, you're incorrect on what youre assuming I think. You're talking to me like I'm a rookie or something. I view foods as primary macronutrient sources. I prefer to eat food that supply mainly one macronutrient, which tends to keep things simple and eliminate man made food products. Chances are, if a food contains a bunch of carb and fat calories, its far from natural. Of course there are exceptions when it comes to protein/fat combo foods, but rarely carb/fat foods.

I'm sure you have a different opinion, which doesn't bother me. You do your way, ill keep doing my way, and when I'm 43, we can compare my progress with your current state :) That keeps it simple. That seems fair, doesn't it?

[WonderPug]

I prefer to eat food that supply mainly one macronutrient, which tends to keep things simple and eliminate man made food products.

I'm just trying to let people know that doing what you do isn't necessary by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. It will have absolutely no special impact on bodyweight or composition. None. Zero. Nada. Period. Full stop.


Chances are, if a food contains a bunch of carb and fat calories, its far from natural.

That's ridiculous. It's equivalent of saying that if food has calories, it probably far from natural.

A wide range of natural, whole foods, include red meat, fish, fowl, eggs, nuts and milk contain mixes of macronutrients including fat, protein and, yes, even carbs.

[thedrivenone]

Some math is wrong there bro.

Meal 3 Milk is off. That Banana will weigh less than the typical 25-27g carb banana, if you've ever had to weigh one....you'll see. That's just some, there are others but nonetheless with 5000 calories I'd have more fun. Each to their own but I praise you for being able to consume that without getting fat.

very jelly.

[soupermayn]

Are you saying that you wash your food? ;)

see you having this argument in different threads like every single day lmao :D i agree basically agree with you though.

The only food i would consider "dirty" are for e.g cakes (and **** in that catergorie) along with take aways. For the simple reason they are loaded with fat and contain huge amounts of calories. One large pizza can fill up a daily requirement of calories.

Other than that i consider any other food fine to eat on any diet, cutting or bulking.

[2020Wellness]

I'm just trying to let people know that doing what you do isn't necessary by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. It will have absolutely no special impact on bodyweight or composition. None. Zero. Nada. Period. Full stop.
Did I say it would have a special impact? Why are you arguing with your own points? Why is your way any more necessary than mine? By the way, can you lay out a day of your own nutrition so I can see how it differs so much?

That's ridiculous. It's equivalent of saying that if food has calories, it probably far from natural.
Not at all.

A wide range of natural, whole foods, include red meat, fish, fowl, eggs, nuts and milk contain mixes of macronutrients including fat, protein and, yes, even carbs.
Give me 10 examples of foods that contain a good portion of their calories from both fats and carbs, which aren't produced in a factory. I think that is a reasonable request, given your quoted claim.

See Bold. Also, I asked you a question at the end of my last post. I asked you if my proposition seemed fair. Does it?

[WonderPug]

^ You're missing the point.

As I said, I was just trying to clarify for others that there is no accepted definition of "clean food" and that you can eat a wide variety of yummy whole foods and get the same outcome as someone eating mostly protein shakes, skinless chicken, skim milk and the like.


Also, I asked you a question at the end of my last post. I asked you if my proposition seemed fair. Does it?

No, it's ridiculous.

Why is it that whenever someone doesn't have substantive foundation to stand on, s/he resorts to the "who is bigger" argument???

[ko300zx]

I would have to force-feed myself every one of those meals minus the final one. Dry oat bread and almonds all day? More power to you if you can force that stuff down your throat all week. When you hear stories of people just giving up on their diets because they are sick of eating god awfully boring foods, this is what I picture. Whatever works for you though.

[2020Wellness]

Some math is wrong there bro.

Meal 3 Milk is off. That Banana will weigh less than the typical 25-27g carb banana, if you've ever had to weigh one....you'll see. That's just some, there are others but nonetheless with 5000 calories I'd have more fun. Each to their own but I praise you for being able to consume that without getting fat.

very jelly.

Meal 3 milk should say 16oz, not 8. Measurement is off. Good to see you paying so much attention though ;)

[2020Wellness]

No, it's ridiculous.

How so? You are basically telling me I'm doing it wrong, yet I don't see any proof that you are doing it any more right than I am. I'm just stating facts.

It was your choice to come in here with your replies, not mine.

[WonderPug]

I would have to force-feed myself every one of those meals minus the final one. Dry oat bread and almonds all day? More power to you if you can force that stuff down your throat all week. When you hear stories of people just giving up on their diets because they are sick of eating god awfully boring foods, this is what I picture. Whatever works for you though.

I agree totally, and the sad part is people get no benefit from suffering with this type of diet.

They could be eating really yummy stuff (entirely natural, whole foods) and they would get the same outcome. And their whole food diet wouldn't be deficient, so they wouldn't need to use all that protein supplementation either.

[2020Wellness]

I would have to force-feed myself every one of those meals minus the final one. Dry oat bread and almonds all day? More power to you if you can force that stuff down your throat all week. When you hear stories of people just giving up on their diets because they are sick of eating god awfully boring foods, this is what I picture. Whatever works for you though.

The oat bread is moist, and tastes awesome. What would you recommend as a primary fat source over almonds or walnuts?

I also use avocado, olive oil, and cheese as well.

[Christiffer]

Why don't you make a sandwich w some of that bread? Instead of a shake, have a burger or something along those
Lines, Replace some of the almonds for some cheese and make a grilled
Cheese ect. I feel you could have much tastier meals while still meeting your "clean" requirements.

[2020Wellness]

The sad part is people get no benefit from suffering with this type of diet. They could be eating really yummy stuff (entirely natural, whole foods) and getting the same outcome.

Please provide an example of a full day, with entirely natural, whole foods. I'm genuinely interested in your approach. Might as well make it 5000 calories, since it fits with the thread.

[2020Wellness]

Why don't you make a sandwich w some of that bread? Instead of a shake, have a burger or something along those
Lines, Replace some of the almonds for some cheese and make a grilled
Cheese ect. I feel you could have much tastier meals while still meeting your "clean" requirements.

Part of it is a time issue as well. Its much quicker and easier for me to grab almonds, bread, and a protein source than it is to prepare a grilled cheese sandwich.

There are many personal reasons for why people eat the way they do. There are endless 'why don't you do this?' comments to be made about anyone's personal meals. Aside from personal preference, do you see anything fundamentally wrong with my meal choices?

[WonderPug]

How so? You are basically telling me I'm doing it wrong

I'm saying there's no special benefit from eating as you do, and that people can get absolutely equal results consuming a diet that most would consider much more enjoyable. And I'm saying that a properly designed whole food diet, with lots of really yummy foods, wouldn't have deficiencies that require protein supplements to cure.

[WonderPug]

Aside from personal preference, do you see anything fundamentally wrong with my meal choices?

Yes.

There's a significant lack of fruits and vegetables, and protein intake requires supplementation, where I'd prefer to get my nutrition from whole foods.

[2020Wellness]

I'm saying there's no special benefit from eating as you do, and that people can get absolutely equal results consuming a diet that most would consider much more enjoyable. And I'm saying that a properly designed whole food diet, with lots of really yummy foods, wouldn't have deficiencies that require protein supplements to cure.

My meal plan doesn't require protein supplements either, I simply choose to use them because I like them. There are plenty of days where I just have my morning shake and leave the rest of my protein to meats and cottage cheese.

I'm just not sure why you feel the need to come into my informative and requested thread and tell people "there is no special benefit from eating this way" lol. Its like you're out to prove me wrong or something, when everything I'm doing is just fine.

I guess I just don't see the point of your posting in here really.

[2020Wellness]

Yes.

There's a significant lack of fruits and vegetables, and protein intake requires supplementation, where I'd prefer to get my nutrition from whole foods.

Thanks for your opinion. Like I said, this is a snapshot of a day, not my entire week. I don't always use whey for protein needs.

As far as the fruits and vegetables go, I do agree that is my weak spot in my nutrition.

That being said, I thought I could eat anything and it would have no effect on body composition? That would mean if I'm supplementing with vitamins and minerals that there would be no need for fruits and vegetables, as I could simply eat butter instead to replace those calories.

I'll tell you what, this thread is getting ridiculous, and you're clearly the type that likes to argue, as you're the instigator here. Maybe I'll reply to a few more of your posts, but then I'm done talking to you. Fair enough?

[WonderPug]

I guess I just don't see the point of your posting in here really.
Because I really feel that people can eat more enjoyable food combinations when they have 5,000 calories per day to burn through then eating meals like this one that you posted:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0564.jpg



That being said, I thought I could eat anything and it would have no effect on body composition?


I always indicate that the diet's contribution to bodyweight and composition is a function of caloric balance and micro/macronutrient sufficiency, and that meals should be composed from whole foods as much as possible.

[PWOGasMan]

Keeping score I would say its about 60-40, Pug is in the lead with the last picture.



......
I'll tell you what, this thread is getting ridiculous, and you're clearly the type that likes to argue, as you're the instigator here. Maybe I'll reply to a few more of your posts, but then I'm done talking to you. Fair enough?


Ain't that the beauty of an internet forum?

[Foe1605]

My meal plan doesn't require protein supplements either, I simply choose to use them because I like them. There are plenty of days where I just have my morning shake and leave the rest of my protein to meats and cottage cheese.

I'm just not sure why you feel the need to come into my informative and requested thread and tell people "there is no special benefit from eating this way" lol. Its like you're out to prove me wrong or something, when everything I'm doing is just fine.

I guess I just don't see the point of your posting in here really.

If the meals you posted in the OP are what you would recommend to others on a daily basis, then I'm sorry but you are not giving people good advice on how to eat a well-rounded diet.

[ko300zx]

The oat bread is moist, and tastes awesome. What would you recommend as a primary fat source over almonds or walnuts?

I also use avocado, olive oil, and cheese as well.

I use a lot of butter, milk (not skim), cheese, fish and other meats, evoo, and some nuts.

Side note: Martin Berkhan says nuts are the most overrated, overhyped foods in the "health conscious" community as they lack a complete amino acid profile and the polyunsaturated fats contribute to the already high imbalance of the omega3,omega 6 ratio in many diets.

[MikeK46]

I can think of so many ways to have so much more fun with 5,000 calories.

That was my first thought. 5k calories and it's being filled with whey shakes? plain bread? plain almonds with every meal? jeez....now thats what I call living it up lol

[sunngodd]

I was scrolling through those meals thinking surely there would be at least a cleantard version of pizza.

I am much dissapoint.

[2020Wellness]

I use a lot of butter, milk (not skim), cheese, fish and other meats, evoo, and some nuts.

Side note: Martin Berkhan says nuts are the most overrated, overhyped foods in the "health conscious" community as they lack a complete amino acid profile and the polyunsaturated fats contribute to the already high imbalance of the omega3,omega 6 ratio in many diets.

So basically you use the same fat sources as me. Like I said, one day of meals does not show my entire selection.

[2020Wellness]

I was scrolling through those meals thinking surely there would be at least a cleantard version of pizza.

I am much dissapoint.

Tuesday night is usually Domino's night. I know it's not the 'cleantard' version......... sorry to dissapoint.

[Clewallen11]

If i ate 5k Cals a day i would be about 300lbs..... why is that many cals needed?

[PWOGasMan]

So basically you use the same fat sources as me. Like I said, one day of meals does not show my entire selection.

So redeem yourself, there's always tomorrow!

I would have to say I am a bit skeptical that you eat any other way*




*Hoping reverse psychology works here




If i ate 5k Cals a day i would be about 300lbs..... why is that many cals needed?

He needs them to be at a surplus? Logic is not very strong.

[2020Wellness]

That was my first thought. 5k calories and it's being filled with whey shakes? plain bread? plain almonds with every meal? jeez....now thats what I call living it up lol

I don't consider the food someone eats as the determinant of how much they are 'living it up.'

Food is just something I have to eat to grow muscle or lose fat. I like tasteful foods, but I don't gauge how much I'm 'living it up' on how many of them I eat, lol.

Tough crowd in here......oh well.

[JayAllen20]

If the meals you posted in the OP are what you would recommend to others on a daily basis, then I'm sorry but you are not giving people good advice on how to eat a well-rounded diet.

Wow. People are really taking this out of context aren't they? He never said this was what he recommended to others. Per request of people's inquisitions he put up a thread to journal HIS nutrition and caloric intake on a meal by meal basis

It's funny that the same crowd who spouts it's all about calories in vs calories out as long as you hit your macros is getting on the OP for the way he goes about doing things.

If someone wants to eat Chicken breast and steaks all day that's fine. If someone chooses to get the majority of their intake from Protein shakes that's fine too

Every thread on here turns into a debate of what someone else thinks is optimal or more optimal than what the person in front of them is doing.

This was not a debate on clean vs dirty foods (there's enough of those), this wasn't the OP saying "This is how I do it and this is how you should do it". It was simply a post to journal the OP's daily caloric intake and meal consumptions. Just because you find it boring doesn't mean it's not working for him. His results obviously speak for themselves.

People in this forum need to take a step off of their high horses every now and then and relax a bit because these stupid debates that are being brought to EVERY thread are getting a bit repetitive and annoying

[2020Wellness]

If i ate 5k Cals a day i would be about 300lbs..... why is that many cals needed?

You are also 160lbs, that which I am not. Our diets will not be equal.

[PWOGasMan]

Wow. People are really taking this out of context aren't they? He never said this was what he recommended to others. Per request of people's inquisitions he put up a thread to journal HIS nutrition and caloric intake on a meal by meal basis

It's funny that the same crowd who spouts it's all about calories in vs calories out as long as you hit your macros is getting on the OP for the way he goes about doing things.

If someone wants to eat Chicken breast and steaks all day that's fine. If someone chooses to get the majority of their intake from Protein shakes that's fine too

Every thread on here turns into a debate of what someone else thinks is optimal or more optimal than what the person in front of them is doing.

This was not a debate on clean vs dirty foods (there's enough of those), this wasn't the OP saying "This is how I do it and this is how you should do it". It was simply a post to journal the OP's daily caloric intake and meal consumptions. Just because you find it boring doesn't mean it's not working for him. His results obviously speak for themselves.

People in this forum need to take a step off of their high horses every now and then and relax a bit because these stupid debates that are being brought to EVERY thread are getting a bit repetitive and annoying




Ever go to the M.E.N. topic?? People post macros of delicious foods there. OP was asking for trouble posting this.

[ko300zx]

So basically you use the same fat sources as me. Like I said, one day of meals does not show my entire selection.

The only similarity from the original post was nuts and I can only assume you use the other 3 you mentioned quite sparingly as none were mentioned in an entire day of meals. If your skim milk selection is any indication of your other food selections, I would imagine low fat cheese and the leanest cuts of meat possible. I doubt the sources are as comparable as it may seem.

[Clewallen11]

You are also 160lbs, that which I am not. Our diets will not be equal.

Ok lol i was going to say my surplus is like 2.5k lol

You are more discipline then me man good job keep it up!

[jinaas]

I'm saying there's no special benefit from eating as you do, and that people can get absolutely equal results consuming a diet that most would consider much more enjoyable. And I'm saying that a properly designed whole food diet, with lots of really yummy foods, wouldn't have deficiencies that require protein supplements to cure.

why do you always keep saying yummy whole foods? give examples!!
i see you are a keto addict and that is why you always recommend others to eat more fat instead of carbs

[LordNikon]

WOW! Look at all that color! So much greens, reds, yellows..... oh wait...

[2020Wellness]

The only similarity from the original post was nuts and I can only assume you use the other 3 you mentioned quite sparingly as none were mentioned in an entire day of meals. If your skim milk selection is any indication of your other food selections, I would imagine low fat cheese and the leanest cuts of meat possible. I doubt the sources are as comparable as it may seem.

My honest guess is that I eat more fat than you throughout a day, could be wrong though.

[ko300zx]

why do you always keep saying yummy whole foods? give examples!!
i see you are a keto addict and that is why you always recommend others to eat more fat instead of carbs

I've only seen him recommend more fat, less carbs, when someones diet clearly lacks the proper amount of fat. Aside from that he recommends meeting the requirements and filling in the remainder with your choice.


My honest guess is that I eat more fat than you throughout a day, could be wrong though.

Well that would be kinda irrelevant since I aim for a specific amount each day and I assume you would as well. :D I aim for ~90g per day.

[2020Wellness]

WOW! Look at all that color! So much greens, reds, yellows..... oh wait...

Already been addressed.

If you're a joking kind of guy, I said the same thing when I saw your profile picture.....so much color, I just can't take it! ;)

[alfred18]

Just listen to WonderPug. He knows what he is talking about.

[JayAllen20]

Ever go to the M.E.N. topic?? People post macros of delicious foods there. OP was asking for trouble posting this.

I don't agree. He wasn't asking for anything, that's the problem. People are here assuming that he's asking for trouble when he is indeed not. There's just certain individuals in here that like to criticize and tear other people apart regardless of how they reach their goals because THEY don't think it's optimal or THEY think there's another way. Since they're entitled to doing things the way they want to, why isn't the op?

This whole forum is notorious for preaching calories in vs calories out as long as it fits into your macros correct? So why should this be an exception? Because you couldn't do it the way the OP does it? Or because YOU don't agree with the OP's food choices because it's TOO bland for you? Why should what he's doing bother you? He's obviously getting the results he desires

The sad part is, if the OP's diet was made up of steak, chicken, and eggs (as an example) and he then proceeded to fill the remaining caloric intake with food that was deprived of nutrients, but still 'fit his macros' there wouldn't be any problem.

Actually, I'm sure there would be... no matter what someone posts as their daily nutrition plan, someone will ALWAYS find a way to tear it apart on this forum.

I'm still waiting for all the examples to OP asked for as alternatives to his plan to fit his caloric needs as well as hitting his macro nutrients for the day since at least half a dozen people here are sure they can figure it out better than he has :)

[2020Wellness]

I've only seen him recommend more fat, less carbs, when someones diet clearly lacks the proper amount of fat. Aside from that he recommends meeting the requirements and filling in the remainder with your choice.


I've seen him ignore some relevant questions from me too, which I wish he would answer. I really want him to post 10 'yummy whole foods' that contain large amounts of calories from BOTH carbs and fats, and aren't made in a factory.

Still waiting......

[2020Wellness]

Just listen to WonderPug. He knows what he is talking about.

So do I, and many others across the globe do as well. He might post more often, but that doesn't mean he knows more than others.

[jinaas]

I've only seen him recommend more fat, less carbs, when someones diet clearly lacks the proper amount of fat. Aside from that he recommends meeting the requirements and filling in the remainder with your choice.



Well that would be kinda irrelevant since I aim for a specific amount each day and I assume you would as well. :D I aim for ~90g per day.

i have seen many of his posts where he said 'omg! do you need so much carbs?' where the OP's consume at least 0.5g fats per lb of bodyweight and enough protein

[MikeK46]

I don't consider the food someone eats as the determinant of how much they are 'living it up.'

Food is just something I have to eat to grow muscle or lose fat. I like tasteful foods, but I don't gauge how much I'm 'living it up' on how many of them I eat, lol.

Tough crowd in here......oh well.

True...I agree. I definitely don't think life should revolve around food either. I guess I used the wrong choice of words.

Let me just say that if you enjoy your food selection, and would rather not have a more "colorful" diet, then by all means. Though I hope you understand how one could come to the conclusion that you believe bland food will somehow get you better results.

[Foe1605]

I don't agree. He wasn't asking for anything, that's the problem. People are here assuming that he's asking for trouble when he is indeed not. There's just certain individuals in here that like to criticize and tear other people apart regardless of how they reach their goals because THEY don't think it's optimal or THEY think there's another way. Since they're entitled to doing things the way they want to, why isn't the op?

This whole forum is notorious for preaching calories in vs calories out as long as it fits into your macros correct? So why should this be an exception? Because you couldn't do it the way the OP does it? Or because YOU don't agree with the OP's food choices because it's TOO bland for you? Why should what he's doing bother you? He's obviously getting the results he desires

The sad part is, if the OP's diet was made up of steak, chicken, and eggs (as an example) and he then proceeded to fill the remaining caloric intake with food that was deprived of nutrients, but still 'fit his macros' there wouldn't be any problem.

Actually, I'm sure there would be... no matter what someone posts as their daily nutrition plan, someone will ALWAYS find a way to tear it apart on this forum.

I'm still waiting for all the examples to OP asked for as alternatives to his plan to fit his caloric needs as well as hitting his macro nutrients for the day since at least half a dozen people here are sure they can figure it out better than he has :)

At the risk of sounding like I'm overreacting, posts like the OP's are detrimental to the progress of beginners who read it and think that this is the only way to get "big". Personally, I tortured myself for years thinking that I had to eat like this because guys that looked like OP set that example.

BRB drinking 5 protein shakes a day but freaking out when I wanted to make a turkey sandwich and all I had in the house was white bread!

[2020Wellness]

Well that would be kinda irrelevant since I aim for a specific amount each day and I assume you would as well. :D I aim for ~90g per day.

Well you said I probably eat low fat cheese and lean cuts of meat. My example showed DARK MEAT, and how would I get my fats in throughout the day with lowfat cheese? I don't buy lowfat anything (I don't buy my groceries). Skim milk was simply in the fridge. The week before I used whole milk, as my son had stopped drinking it, so I finished it up.

I am a fan of olive oil, almonds, walnuts, avocado, peanut butter, and cheese when it comes to fats. I eat plenty of fat, and it comes from those sources. What is there to argue?

[2020Wellness]

At the risk of sounding like I'm overreacting, posts like the OP's are detrimental to the progress of beginners who read it and think that this is the only way to get "big". Personally, I tortured myself for years thinking that I had to eat like this because guys that looked like OP set that example.

BRB drinking 5 protein shakes a day but freaking out when I wanted to make a turkey sandwich and all I had in the house was white bread!

Oat bread is white bread with some oats sprinkled throughout it......lol. Thanks for the laugh.

[JayAllen20]

At the risk of sounding like I'm overreacting, posts like the OP's are detrimental to the progress of beginners who read it and think that this is the only way to get "big". Personally, I tortured myself for years thinking that I had to eat like this because guys that looked like OP set that example.

BRB drinking 5 protein shakes a day but freaking out when I wanted to make a turkey sandwich and all I had in the house was white bread!

Yea, well his post wasn't directed at beginners. It was a post to journal the way he is going about doing things per request of people he's come into contact with via the forum.

We can't be expected to DUMB everything down and go into detailed explanations of why we're doing things just because a 'beginner' may happen to be browsing the forums. That's just ridiculous.

Anyone who's capable of spending 10 minutes a day to do the research should know better. Anyone who doesn't know better probably doesn't because they didn't think it was important enough to do the research in the first place and then they get what they get. Eventually everyone learns the hard way

[ko300zx]

Since they're entitled to doing things the way they want to, why isn't the op?



He certainly is. I only said that I would not enjoy eating that, as did some others. Doesn't mean he has to do anything different. Biggest thing is, do what works for you. If you don't want to switch it up, don't, that's your business. Just seems a lot of people here would prefer to eat different things. That is simply a matter of opinion. 2020 isn't doing anything wrong.

[2020Wellness]

True...I agree. I definitely don't think life should revolve around food either. I guess I used the wrong choice of words.

Let me just say that if you enjoy your food selection, and would rather not have a more "colorful" diet, then by all means. Though I hope you understand how one could come to the conclusion that you believe bland food will somehow get you better results.
Only if they like to assume things, as I never said anything about my pictures being the only way to eat to get to where I'm at today.

Yes, many people assume things, but that doesn't mean I'm providing poor examples.

[2020Wellness]

Yea, well his post wasn't directed at beginners. It was a post to journal the way he is going about doing things per request of people he's come into contact with via the forum.

We can't be expected to DUMB everything down and go into detailed explanations of why we're doing things just because a 'beginner' may happen to be browsing the forums. That's just ridiculous.

Anyone who's capable of spending 10 minutes a day to do the research should know better. Anyone who doesn't know better probably doesn't because they didn't think it was important enough to do the research in the first place and then they get what they get. Eventually everyone learns the hard way

Very well said. Either they'll be successful in their efforts or not, plain and simple. If they aren't successful, they'll do more research or they'll give up. The majority give up, the minority succeed.

[MikeK46]

Only if they like to assume things, as I never said anything about my pictures being the only way to eat to get to where I'm at today.

Yes, many people assume things, but that doesn't mean I'm providing poor examples.

No worries....so what are your favorite foods, if you do have any?

[WonderPug]

I've seen him ignore some relevant questions from me too, which I wish he would answer. I really want him to post 10 'yummy whole foods' that contain large amounts of calories from BOTH carbs and fats, and aren't made in a factory.


Here are the first foods that come to mind, but there are literally an unlimited number of combination:

1. Steak and potatoes.
2. Grilled tuna over a large salad.
3. Salmon with rice and mixed vegetables.
4. A cheese omelet with a glass of whole milk.
5. Chicken with a large side of vegetables.
6. Pork chops with vegetables.
7. Turkey with yams.
8. Roast beef with mashed patatos.
9. Meat lasagna.
10. Tomato and mozzarella cheese.

[2020Wellness]

Here are the first foods that come to mind, but there are literally an unlimited number of combination:

1. Steak and potatoes.
2. Grilled tuna over a large salad.
3. Salmon with rice and mixed vegetables.
4. A cheese omelet with a glass of whole milk.
5. Chicken with a large side of vegetables.
6. Pork chops with vegetables.
7. Turkey with yams.
8. Roast beef with mashed patatos.
9. Meat lasagna.
10. Tomato and mozzarella cheese.

Those are ALL two or more foods. I asked for a list of 10 single foods that provide those macronutrients, that are not made in a factory, not a combination of foods.

Try again.

[Foe1605]

Oat bread is white bread with some oats sprinkled throughout it......lol. Thanks for the laugh.

There's nothing wrong with either, that's my point.

[ko300zx]

Well you said I probably eat low fat cheese and lean cuts of meat. My example showed DARK MEAT, and how would I get my fats in throughout the day with lowfat cheese? I don't buy lowfat anything (I don't buy my groceries). Skim milk was simply in the fridge. The week before I used whole milk, as my son had stopped drinking it, so I finished it up.

I am a fan of olive oil, almonds, walnuts, avocado, peanut butter, and cheese when it comes to fats. I eat plenty of fat, and it comes from those sources. What is there to argue?

Wasn't trying to argue. You asked what I ate, so I answered. Your list has grown from basically nuts, to a whole slue of things. How am I to know you don't by low-fat foods when the only indication of your shopping habits says you buy skim milk, or that you actually consume a wide variety of fats? I didn't know you use whole milk regularly. I only made assumptions from the information provided originally.

Given your updated list and the fact that you don't skip out on the full fat versions, the answer is there is clearly nothing to argue. :D

[2020Wellness]

No worries....so what are your favorite foods, if you do have any?

I usually do a bunch of mexican meals per week with seasoned chicken, tortillas, salsa, cheese, avocado, and crushed chips.

Mexican would be my favorite style of food, no doubt.

Definitely love my morning oatmeal recipe, which I eat every day.

Since I tend to keep it simple, manageable, and convenient, my variety isn't very high. This allows me to track things very easily, and the pros of keeping it simple easily outweigh the cons for me.

[2020Wellness]

Wasn't trying to argue. You asked what I ate, so I answered. Your list has grown from basically nuts, to a whole slue of things. How am I to know you don't by low-fat foods when the only indication of your shopping habits says you buy skim milk, or that you actually consume a wide variety of fats? I didn't know you use whole milk regularly. I only made assumptions from the information provided originally.

Given your updated list and the fact that you don't skip out on the full fat versions, the answer is there is clearly nothing to argue. :D

That is where you took the wrong approach ;) Assuming you knew my full list of foods based on a day of eating is not the right way to approach things. It would be better to ask me about it before assuming, agree?

[2020Wellness]

Here are the first foods that come to mind, but there are literally an unlimited number of combination:

1. Steak and potatoes.
2. Grilled tuna over a large salad. Where are the fats here?
3. Salmon with rice and mixed vegetables.
4. A cheese omelet with a glass of whole milk.
5. Chicken with a large side of vegetables. Where are the fats here?
6. Pork chops with vegetables.
7. Turkey with yams.
8. Roast beef with mashed patatos.
9. Meat lasagna.
10. Tomato and mozzarella cheese.

I'm sorry, have to quote this again. This is just cracking me up....... I can't believe that you actually thought I was under the assumption that it would be hard for you to list out 10 meal ideas that contained carbs and fats. Seriously Wonderpug? Seriously?! Not to mention, some of those meals don't even meet the requirements of the list that I asked you to make!

Have I said or done something that would lead you to assume that I can't put a meal together?

You missed my point about eating primary macro sources. I like to eat foods that provide mainly one macronutrient, which automatically keeps me eating natural foods, as there are simply VERY little SINGLE food choices that provide calories from carbs and fats within that SINGLE food. Its a built in advantage to using my system.

[MikeK46]

I usually do a bunch of mexican meals per week with seasoned chicken, tortillas, salsa, cheese, avocado, and crushed chips.

Mexican would be my favorite style of food, no doubt.

Definitely love my morning oatmeal recipe, which I eat every day.

Since I tend to keep it simple, manageable, and convenient, my variety isn't very high. This allows me to track things very easily, and the pros of keeping it simple easily outweigh the cons for me.

The logic is there, I'll give it to you. You've definitely proven your point. Fancy meals do become a bit more of a pain to log the macros, and many of my meals while bulking weren't all that spectacular either...the sheer volume and feeling full was satisfying enough.

Oatmeal is my favorite thing...no need to explain yourself there.

Now....pics of the Mexican food or negs ;)

[ko300zx]

That is where you took the wrong approach ;) Assuming you knew my full list of foods based on a day of eating is not the right way to approach things. It would be better to ask me about it before assuming, agree?

Mmm, maybe, but that list keeps growing, and I took your first list (avocado, evoo, cheese) as a complete list. Shouldn't have to ask, is that your final answer?! "No no, I would like to add a few more things." :)

Either way, no point in arguing about that. As the list grows, it clearly has some more variety.

As for single, whole foods high in carbs and fats, I can't think of much outside of dairy.

[RATATATATA]

Just listen to WonderPug. He knows what he is talking about.

Yeah bro you listen to him, you're nearly as jacked as him!!!! lmao.
The dude has nothing better to do than post terrible advice on a forum all day long, nearly 6k posts, join date sep 2010, lol.

Then he tries to hijack this thread... sad.
OP is a good poster and many people enjoy his GST training and his diet.

[2020Wellness]

Mmm, maybe, but that list keeps growing, and I took your first list (avocado, evoo, cheese) as a complete list. Shouldn't have to ask, is that your final answer?! "No no, I would like to add a few more things." :)

Either way, no point in arguing about that. As the list grows, it clearly has some more variety.

As for single, whole foods high in carbs and fats, I can't think of much outside of dairy.

Exactly. Dairy is an exception, but not much else, which is why I'm still waiting on Wonderpug, as he said its not a problem.

[Christiffer]

Part of it is a time issue as well. Its much quicker and easier for me to grab almonds, bread, and a protein source than it is to prepare a grilled cheese sandwich.

There are many personal reasons for why people eat the way they do. There are endless 'why don't you do this?' comments to be made about anyone's personal meals. Aside from personal preference, do you see anything fundamentally wrong with my meal choices?

I don't see anything wrong with your meal choices but I think you should make better use of that bread while
Still being able to calculate cals/macros easily. Example, instead of almonds w the banana and bread make a pb and banana sandwich.'i lovE almonds so don't get me wrong there, just bread seems so plain and boring.

[WonderPug]

I really want him to post 10 'yummy whole foods' that contain large amounts of calories from BOTH carbs and fats, and aren't made in a factory.

List of whole food combinations...


Those are ALL two or more foods.

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding, which is why I initially asked for your definition of "clean foods".

Whole foods can contain a combination of unprocessed or minimally processed foods.

[2020Wellness]

List of whole food combinations...


I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding, which is why I initially asked for your definition of "clean foods".

Whole foods can contain a combination of unprocessed or minimally processed foods.

Nevermind. You can't do what I asked, so not much more to say.

[Havux]

just wondering why you mix 2 types of whey

[2020Wellness]

just wondering why you mix 2 types of whey

Taste and calorie needs, no other reasons.

[jgetbigj]

Great thread 2020 thanks for your help. Keep doin what you're doin, and ignore these attempts of people to crucify you for eating delicious food and over semantics of word choice, which everyone clearly and undoubtly knows what you mean when you say 'clean' regardless of a bodybuilding / dictionary definition. you'redoingitright.

[sanman89]

Meal 1
8oz Skim Milk - 100 calories
2 Scoops Scivation Whey - 200 calories
1 Serving Walnuts - 200 calories
3 Servings Oats - 450 calories
25g Brown Sugar - 100 calories

Total - 1050 calories
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0535.jpg

Meal 2
1 Scoop Myofusion Whey - 140 calories
1 Scoop Scivation Whey - 100 calories
12oz Skim Milk - 150 calories
3 Slices Oat Bread - 360 calories
1 Serving Almonds - 160 calories
1 Banana - 100 calories

Total - 1000 calories
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0564.jpg

Meal 3
3 Servings Cottage Cheese w/ Blueberries - 350 calories
8oz Skim Milk - 200 calories
2 Slices Oat Bread - 240 calories
1 Serving Almonds - 160 calories

Total - 950 calories
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0565.jpg

Meal 4
8 oz Skim Milk - 100 calories
1 Scoop Scivation Whey - 100 calories
2 Servings Almonds - 320 calories
2 3/4 Servings Beef Jerky - 220 calories
1 Serving Guacamole Chips - 150 calories

Total - 900 calories
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0566.jpg

Meal 5
6oz Dark Chicken Meat - 400 calories
3oz White Chicken Meat - 100 calories
16oz Skim Milk - 200 calories
3 Pumpkin Protein Cookies - 240 calories

Total - 940 calories
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0567.jpg

I also had a serving of SizeOn and Superpump250, which brings the total daily intake to 5030 calories.


Here is my 2cents.....If you enjoy eating like this & it works for you bye all means go ahead & eat away!!!!!

[IanStevson]

Hmm, for me the way OP is doing is much better, simple plain and it (would) reach my requirments. I don't know about you guys, but if I have school/work I would not know how to make a egg omlete with cheese or any other of these fancy meals.

The meals OP stated are, in other hand very usefull even if you go to school/work. Packing those stuff together in the morning will take 15/20 mins and you're off.

I however do agree, if you're work is fitness and you can afford to make those meals - time, etc. Than I would have fancier meals.

[WonderPug]

My two points seem to be getting lost. They are:

1. Given a 5,000 calorie daily budget, it's possible to eat much more enjoyable food (by the standards of most people's taste). This point is important, in my view, because a lot of folks are under the mistaken impression that food has to be relatively bland or even unpleasant in order to achieve good results in the gym. However, that's entirely untrue.

2. The meals are not particularly healthy as they lack significant amounts of fruit and vegetables, and there is a relatively high use of protein supplements.

To demonstrate point 1, I'll embed an image of one of the OP's meals and an image from the MEN thread of a alternative meal. If you can eat either and get the same results in the gym, and the MEN meal is even potentially healthier because of the micronutrient density, which would you select? Honestly, which one?


OP's Meal: Myofusion whey, Scivation whey, skim milk, oat bread, almonds, banana
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0564.jpg



MEN Meal: Salmon with Dill Sauce, Garden Vegetable Stew, Corn Nuggets, Veggies, Apple
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa180/Dawkins4ever/Photo0663.jpg

[2020Wellness]

WonderPug;

Another point to mention is which is easier and more convenient to prepare for the average person trying to gain size.

Which is more portable?

Which is more complicated?

Which is more time consuming?

The fact is that those variables can easily make or break a person's ability to succeed at their nutrition plan.

There is always going to be a more appealing (to some) meal out there, as there are even more appealing (to some) meals to the one you just posted. Does that mean they should be eaten for every meal, or even regularly? NOPE. It all depends on the personal preference and abilities of the person doing the eating.

I have TONS of meal pictures that show variety. Some are even similar to the one you posted. But, do I eat them for every meal, NO. It doesn't make sense for me to do so from a time management stand point.

Get real WonderPug, you're just making yourself look like a jackass in this thread. I'm the one saying it, but from the only one thinking it ;)

[2020Wellness]

Hmm, for me the way OP is doing is much better, simple plain and it (would) reach my requirments. I don't know about you guys, but if I have school/work I would not know how to make a egg omlete with cheese or any other of these fancy meals.

The meals OP stated are, in other hand very usefull even if you go to school/work. Packing those stuff together in the morning will take 15/20 mins and you're off.

I however do agree, if you're work is fitness and you can afford to make those meals - time, etc. Than I would have fancier meals.

Exactly. You're in the real world!

I pack my 5-6 meals for a whole day in about 30 minutes, and they give me the same results as the complicated meal like WonderPug posted would :)

[Tototoro]

I honestly don't know why you have to come into almost 75% of the threads on here Wonderpug and start the war about "clean foods" vs "dirty foods" because you have an issue with the definition people have on it. Theres a time and place, but seriously to come into another persons thread and start that every single time is just unecessary man. Chill out already. I could go deeper into how annoying you are when it comes down to it....but since I don't want to fuel this argument further to stray from OP's intentions of his thread....

Back on topic, I love to see the simplicity behind your meals OP. You had a pretty long thread back in the day that had a play by play of your meals and workouts from what I remember that I was subbed to. Whatever happened to that?

[PerpetualMotion]

http://www.caspara.net/ArguingOnTheInternet-SpecialOlympics.jpg

Honestly, what some people choose to eat is up to them. I personally would find this boring as well but I understand his intentions. Some people eat to live and not live to eat, so their food choices can be incredibly bland.

I personally enjoy mixin' it up. I wouldn't eat that many meals and that's solely because I IF and prefer 2-3 larger meals. I don't think I could handle 5k cals and that's especially true since I'm a little dude (5'7"). Personally, I buy a lot of different meats and mix it up. I generally change it up from week-to-week. One thing I consistently have is a sandwich. Nothing beats the versatility and tastiness of a sandwich.

[ErickStevens]

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/3/37/AndHereWeGo.gif


Lol, I'm not going to feed into that crap Erick.

http://www.erickstevens.net/wtf2.gif

[dustinh6719]

My two points seem to be getting lost. They are:

1. Given a 5,000 calorie daily budget, it's possible to eat much more enjoyable food (by the standards of most people's taste). This point is important, in my view, because a lot of folks are under the mistaken impression that food has to be relatively bland or even unpleasant in order to achieve good results in the gym. However, that's entirely untrue.

2. The meals are not particularly healthy as they lack significant amounts of fruit and vegetables, and there is a relatively high use of protein supplements.

To demonstrate point 1, I'll embed an image of one of the OP's meals and an image from the MEN thread of a alternative meal. If you can eat either and get the same results in the gym, and the MEN meal is even potentially healthier because of the micronutrient density, which would you select? Honestly, which one?

I agree with everything you've posted in this thread except this. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Whats the difference in a few scoops of protein powder and a chicken breast besides satiety? Which would not be an issue at all on 5K a day.

[2020Wellness]

http://www.erickstevens.net/wtf2.gif

Just too much fun I guess. Too easy as well.

[defury]

Clean or not that diet looks super boring, if it works for you awesome but there is so many more interesting food combos that are still "clean" (quotes because clean is a dumb term anyway) but also have amazing flavor, chicken fajitas in a corn tortilla for example.

But hey it clearly works for you, I would go crazy without some variety and creativity in my food though.

[PWOGasMan]

http://www.erickstevens.net/wtf2.gif



Originally Posted by 2020Wellness
Lol, I'm not going to feed into that crap Erick.


/thread hahahahahhhaahaha

[JayAllen20]

Exactly. You're in the real world!

I pack my 5-6 meals for a whole day in about 30 minutesand they give me the same results as the complicated meal like WonderPug posted would :)

inb4the"youdon'tneedtoeat6mealsaday'crowd


If they show up you can expect another 5-10 pages of this nonsense :)

[JayAllen20]

http://www.erickstevens.net/wtf2.gif

I felt like he was looking RIGHT at me with the Stink Eye! Had me cracking up! HAHA

[jinaas]

inb4the"youdon'tneedtoeat6mealsaday'crowd


If they show up you can expect another 5-10 pages of this nonsense :)

yeah.. WonderPug have a 9000 Calories diet in one out of three days coz he believe only in 'calories vs calories out' ... he won't eat anything in the other 2 days

[Flyin Ryan]

Thread of the day.

[ErickStevens]

yeah.. WonderPug have a 9000 Calories diet in one out of three days coz he believe only in 'calories vs calories out' ... he won't eat anything in the other 2 days

wut

[beeboo12]

lmao who the hell just eats plain bread with nothing else? op i would relax a little bit with your diet. no need go ocd over macros.

[Pikachew]

Unaware and SRS. Honest question to OP: What constitutes a need for 5,000 calories a day? How has it impacted your progress, specifically weight vs fat gain? The reason I ask is because I've eaten +1000 calories over maintenance and although I gained weight quickly and fast, I also gained a lot of fat. So I wanted to know if this was an issue for you and if it isn't, what/how you are minimizing the amount of fat you are putting on.

[defury]

lmao who the hell just eats plain bread with nothing else? op i would relax a little bit with your diet. no need go ocd over macros.

Drop the nuts and make a PB and banana sandwich and probably hit the exact same macros

Mmmm that sounds good.

[salava29]

I agree totally, and the sad part is people get no benefit from suffering with this type of diet.

They could be eating really yummy stuff (entirely natural, whole foods) and they would get the same outcome. And their whole food diet wouldn't be deficient, so they wouldn't need to use all that protein supplementation either.

this is why every single person is different, what works for u and what works for him may be totally different. u may like to eat a variety and that works for you. Maybe OP likes this diet because it work for him and fits into his schedule. So for u to come in here like that is real cool of u brah. U seem like one of the mr know it all and have to chime in no matter what.

[ko300zx]

Hmm, for me the way OP is doing is much better, simple plain and it (would) reach my requirments. I don't know about you guys, but if I have school/work I would not know how to make a egg omlete with cheese or any other of these fancy meals.

The meals OP stated are, in other hand very usefull even if you go to school/work. Packing those stuff together in the morning will take 15/20 mins and you're off.

I however do agree, if you're work is fitness and you can afford to make those meals - time, etc. Than I would have fancier meals.

Such a cop out. I'm gone 8am - 9pm Monday through Friday and I eat whatever I want. I don't have to eat 2 loaves of plain bread and 30 protein shakes a week.

[mbieker1]

Too shake-y.

[beeboo12]

this is why every single person is different, what works for u and what works for him may be totally different. u may like to eat a variety and that works for you. Maybe OP likes this diet because it work for him and fits into his schedule. So for u to come in here like that is real cool of u brah. U seem like one of the mr know it all and have to chime in no matter what.

i doubt that he enjoys eating that way, but does so because he feels he has to or he wont make gains.

[angryguywalking]

This diet isn't the whey to go IMO.....

[jinaas]

wut

i mean he would consume a yummy meal of 9000 Calories at one sitting which would be enough for 3 days (at an average of 3000 Calories per day). coz meal frequency and timing means nothing for him.. lol

[2020Wellness]

lmao who the hell just eats plain bread with nothing else? op i would relax a little bit with your diet. no need go ocd over macros.

I actually don't count macros at all, I count calories from primary macronutrient sources. You've probably never really tried my approach, because it is pretty unconventional.....but....everyone that tries it ends up adopting it.

Relax? It doesn't get much more relaxed than grabbing a couple pieces of bread, some almonds, and chompin em down.

[angryguywalking]

i mean he would consume a yummy meal of 9000 Calories at one sitting which would be enough for 3 days (at an average of 3000 Calories per day). coz meal frequency and timing means nothing for him.. lol

That is true, they are irrelevant at the end of the day, as he has said many times before.

[2020Wellness]

This diet isn't the whey to go IMO.....

If you're stats are accurate, your approach isn't the whey to go either. ;) Sorry, but have to bust the 'call out' out sometimes. Gimme a break.

[2020Wellness]

i doubt that he enjoys eating that way, but does so because he feels he has to or he wont make gains.

I actually LOVE eating this way. It is SOOOOOO simple and easy, and I think the foods taste good, so why would I do it any different?

[angryguywalking]

If you're stats are accurate, your approach isn't the whey to go either. ;) Sorry, but have to bust the 'call out' out sometimes. Gimme a break.

You've got about 12 years over me ;). Gimme a break.

[beeboo12]

I actually don't count macros at all, I count calories from primary macronutrient sources. You've probably never really tried my approach, because it is pretty unconventional.....but....everyone that tries it ends up adopting it.

Relax? It doesn't get much more relaxed than grabbing a couple pieces of bread, some almonds, and chompin em down.

i accomplish the same thing, but my meals actually taste good and are enjoyable. have fun choking down that crap.

[Merial20]

Why does every other thread in the nutrition forum turn into a clean vs dirty debate. Let the man eat what he wants its clearly working for him. He's just trying to show how he would reach 5k cals as per request and everyone jumps on him. With that being said I'd substitute a shake or two for some steak :)

[beeboo12]

I actually LOVE eating this way. It is SOOOOOO simple and easy, and I think the foods taste good, so why would I do it any different?

haha you're delusional.

[2020Wellness]

Thread of the day.
Ya buddy.


Unaware and SRS. Honest question to OP: What constitutes a need for 5,000 calories a day? How has it impacted your progress, specifically weight vs fat gain? The reason I ask is because I've eaten +1000 calories over maintenance and although I gained weight quickly and fast, I also gained a lot of fat. So I wanted to know if this was an issue for you and if it isn't, what/how you are minimizing the amount of fat you are putting on.
I've basically reached my genetic potential as a natural, so it takes more extreme measures to gain weight. Right now I'm going for broke for a month or so and eating bigger than normal. I don't care how much fat I gain, just as long as I gain weight. I know I'm adding muscle, and I know I'm adding fat. Once you get close to your genetic potential, you'll see the need for my approach.

My workouts are very demanding as well, as I use my GST program which is a favorite of 1000s. I perform 4 hard weight training sessions per week, 1-2 light weight complex workouts, and maybe a little LI cardio in there as well. I'm still hungry every few hours when I eat like this, but I'm working hard, so it makes sense.


Drop the nuts and make a PB and banana sandwich and probably hit the exact same macros

Mmmm that sounds good.
I do that all the time already, just not yesterday ;)

[JayAllen20]

Such a cop out. I'm gone 8am - 9pm Monday through Friday and I eat whatever I want. I don't have to eat 2 loaves of plain bread and 30 protein shakes a week.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. YOU and the OP not only lead completely different lifestyles, but have completely different goals and completely different physiques. Comparing your approach to his is not comparable by far

And for people who do not read the thread before making asinine responses, you will realize that the OP has stated OVER AND OVER again that this is just what he ate for THAT day and his meals vary throughout the week, which he was going to continue to log on a daily basis.

I'm still amazed at all the people on this page who continue to preach just hit your macros and yet still feel the need to get on the OP, who has obviously achieved proven results doing it his way and enjoys the benefits he receives from doing it this way, just because they don't find his meal choices "appealing" to them.

[2020Wellness]

haha you're delusional.

Anyone who says they know someone better than that person knows themselves is the delusional one, clearly. I think everyone in here would agree with that, except yourself, most likely.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get a meal of boiled chicken (in triple distilled water of course), freshly harvested almonds, and raw yams....post workout meal at its best.....lol. No seasonings and I'll wash it down with organic water.

[2020Wellness]

You're comparing apples to oranges here. YOU and the OP not only lead completely different lifestyles, but have completely different goals and completely different physiques. Comparing your approach to his is not comparable by far

And for people who do not read the thread before making asinine responses, you will realize that the OP has stated OVER AND OVER again that this is just what he ate for THAT day and his meals vary throughout the week, which he was going to continue to log on a daily basis.

I'm still amazed at all the people on this page who continue to preach just hit your macros and yet still feel the need to get on the OP, who has obviously achieved proven results doing it his way and enjoys the benefits he receives from doing it this way, just because they don't find his meal choices "appealing" to them.

Its giving me a good smile or two :) :) Not to mention some reps!

[2020Wellness]

i accomplish the same thing, but my meals actually taste good and are enjoyable. have fun choking down that crap.

Will do boss ;) Will do.

[ko300zx]

If you're stats are accurate, your approach isn't the whey to go either. ;) Sorry, but have to bust the 'call out' out sometimes. Gimme a break.

When are we going to get over the whole stats = knowledge thing? Jay Cutler doesn't know his ahole from his elbow when it comes to nutrition.

[2020Wellness]

You've got about 12 years over me ;). Gimme a break.

Then respect your elders, son.

[JayAllen20]

When are we going to get over the whole stats = knowledge thing? Jay Cutler doesn't know his ******* from his elbow when it comes to nutrition.

Because if you ever bothered to do any research of your own on the OP you'd realize he's pretty knowledgeable himself. He's created a workout/nutritional program that has transformed many of his clients and has become a favorite of thousands on this forum alone. He not only created the program but has gone into specific details on everything involved in the program from training to nutrition, etc. etc. I'm not a user of his GST (although I will be trying it out in the future) program, but I have done my research and have followed his past logs, articles and videos enough to know the guy does know a little bit about what he's talking about :)

[Ric_Daddy]

Thanks for posting photos of your food OP, that was cool of you.


Can someone help me make a meal plan for about 3K calories a day with more tasty food choices please? (no fish or cottage cheese pls)

[2020Wellness]

Thanks for posting photos of your food OP, that was cool of you.


Can someone help me make a meal plan for about 3K calories a day with more tasty food choices please? (no fish or cottage cheese pls)

Check this thread out, it'll help you a bit: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=126870753

[ko300zx]

Because if you ever bothered to do any research of your own on the OP you'd realize he's pretty knowledgeable himself. He's created a workout/nutritional program that has transformed many of his clients and has become a favorite of thousands on this forum alone. He not only created the program but has gone into specific details on everything involved in the program from training to nutrition, etc. etc. I'm not a user of his GST (although I will be trying it out in the future) program, but I have done my research and have followed his past logs, articles and videos enough to know the guy does know a little bit about what he's talking about :)

Sorry, but what the fck does anything you just said have anything to do with people claiming someones weight/height is directly related to their knowledge?

[2020Wellness]

Just because; my post workout meal I'm eating right now:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0568.jpg

[JayAllen20]

Sorry, but what the fck does anything you just said have anything to do with people claiming someones weight/height is directly related to their knowledge?

Because I misunderstood your comment and thought it was directed at the OP in relation to his size > knowledge. I now realize it was directed at the OP in relation to his comment in regards to someone else's stats. I do digress.

And there's no need for the language.. simma down now! :P

[2020Wellness]

Because I misunderstood your comment and thought it was directed at the OP in relation to his size > knowledge. I now realize it was directed at the OP in relation to his comment in regards to someone else's stats. I do digress.

And there's no need for the language.. simma down now! :P

Jay,

You have the potential to be a FREAK. You know that, right?

[JayAllen20]

Jay,

You have the potential to be a FREAK. You know that, right?

Yea, I get told that a few times a day. HAHA. Thanks :)

I'm working on it. A few bad injuries have set me back but other than a slight range of motion problem in my shoulder, which unfortunately prevents me from being able to Squat for now (can't hold the bar in the back squat position without it feeling like my shoulder is being torn from the socket) , I'm more or less good to go now! Just started cutting with the intents to compete in either the fall of 2011 or somewhere in 2012 depending on how I'm progressing over the next 5-6 months :)

[defury]

Not related but change the whitebalance on your camera :P

[2020Wellness]

Not related but change the whitebalance on your camera :P

I'm using my phone.

[deadlift_405]

WHere are the greens my man ? Other than that great post.

[2020Wellness]

WHere are the greens my man ? Other than that great post.

Greens are a weak spot of mine. I neglect them all the time.

Thanks for the compliment!

[BmoFoSho]

That's awesome. Can you post your workout too?

[2020Wellness]

That's awesome. Can you post your workout too?

See my sig! www.growthstimulustraining.com is the program I use.

[docchio]

To be honest you guys are acting like dicks to 2020. I love how you make assumptions tailored towards your arguments when there are equally as many assumptions one could make that are favorable towards 2020. Eating 'clean' or whatever you want to calm it is great. As 2020 said it simplifies logging and essentially ensures one is consuming natural foods for the bulk of their diet. I find the whole do whatever you want as long as it fits your macros to be a far more dangerous ideology to the beginner, as it becomes far too simple to have caloric blowouts and the such. It's amazing how such an open minded concept is confined within such an arrogant and close minded community. Health & fitness is a broad topic with Many differing views that all have validity and can all achieve favorable outcomes. When you start pigeon holing and being narrow minded, your losing the plot.

[PJR23]

I think this needs to turn into a daily/weekly training/nutrition log. What do you think 2020?

[JValjean724]

Those are ALL two or more foods. I asked for a list of 10 single foods that provide those macronutrients, that are not made in a factory, not a combination of foods.

Try again.

You do realize that processed foods are made from a combination of food right? They just don't make things out of thin air.



As far as foods that combine macronutrients we have dairy, oats, nuts, grains, beans, pasta, every cut of meat that isn't lean, eggs, etc.

Note most of those are entire categories of foods and not just single items.


My two points seem to be getting lost. They are:

1. Given a 5,000 calorie daily budget, it's possible to eat much more enjoyable food (by the standards of most people's taste). This point is important, in my view, because a lot of folks are under the mistaken impression that food has to be relatively bland or even unpleasant in order to achieve good results in the gym. However, that's entirely untrue.

2. The meals are not particularly healthy as they lack significant amounts of fruit and vegetables, and there is a relatively high use of protein supplements.

To demonstrate point 1, I'll embed an image of one of the OP's meals and an image from the MEN thread of a alternative meal. If you can eat either and get the same results in the gym, and the MEN meal is even potentially healthier because of the micronutrient density, which would you select? Honestly, which one?


OP's Meal: Myofusion whey, Scivation whey, skim milk, oat bread, almonds, banana



MEN Meal: Salmon with Dill Sauce, Garden Vegetable Stew, Corn Nuggets, Veggies, Apple


Exactly. The original post had no explanation and came off as "Basque in the glory of my awesomeness. Look at what I eat everyday since you all are dying to know. Did I mention I'm the sh*t?" And then your subsequent posts served only to amplify that impression.

If people really were asking you about what you eat, you could have sent this to them in PMs, posted it in you other food journal thread, or at least offered a caveat at the end of the first post.


And WonderPug that meal looks familiar ;)



i mean he would consume a yummy meal of 9000 Calories at one sitting which would be enough for 3 days (at an average of 3000 Calories per day). coz meal frequency and timing means nothing for him.. lol

Are you ok?

[iwannagethench]

dude i just wanna say thanks so much, taking this diet you are seriously a genius! i'd ****ing kiss you if i could no homo

[iwannagethench]

a lot of people are saying they want more 'fun' meals, i understand but i'm not picky, i just want the job done.. besides, you still have fun meals on cheat days and this is only one day.. i'm the kind of person who is never at home i'm always on the road and i walk a lot so this will come in handy.. maybe it's not perfect but you guys are going in a little hard on the op, anyway i think it's good and i think it's great that he included pics

[belairdfence99]

When a measuring cup full of milk is involved to reach 5k calories...you're doing it wrong. Eat funner food dude.

[docchio]

When a measuring cup full of milk is involved to reach 5k calories...you're doing it wrong. Eat funner food dude.

bs

different folks for different strokes pal.

I personally like to know fairly close to exactly the quantity of food i am consuming. And eating "funner" or whatever word you next choose to invent to describe something is utterly based on individual preference. I find eating plain food thoroughly enjoyable. In fact i would go so far as to say i have more 'fun' eating something plain and nutritious, with full knowledge of its contents and nutrient breakdown than eating something laden with sauces or whatnot.

If you guys want to eat 'funner' foods (still fairly certain that is not even a word), than do it, thats your choice, have fun. Climb the mountains, sing the songs you want to sing.

[Drizzy10]

You only need at the absolute most 300 grams of protein and that's aiming at the outer band of physiological requirements (assuming no special "supplements") and you have 5,000 calories to play with.

Thus, protein requirements are met in, at most, 1,200 calories. Let's say you want to eat 400 grams of carbs, with is a high intake for someone of your bodyweight. That's another 1,600 calories. Now you have room for 2,200 calories of yummy fat. Yes, that means you can have a steak and not just "supplement with nuts for fat".

I think you're selecting foods based on this magical concept that "clean foods" are "better" and not based on an analysis of micro/macronutrient sufficiency.

What does it matter to you if the man wants to eat that, stop trying defend your little clean eating terms and GTFO. This man is an expert and is much more jacked and swole than you. Not hating, just stop trying to make this a Clean Dirty Thread, Theirs too many of those annoying threads out there. Does it matter if he wants to eat celery and chicken for his macros??? Its his body.....dayum

[ko300zx]

Eating 'clean' or whatever you want to calm it is great. As 2020 said it simplifies logging and essentially ensures one is consuming natural foods for the bulk of their diet.


I personally like to know fairly close to exactly the quantity of food i am consuming. And eating "funner" or whatever word you next choose to invent to describe something is utterly based on individual preference. I find eating plain food thoroughly enjoyable. In fact i would go so far as to say i have more 'fun' eating something plain and nutritious, with full knowledge of its contents and nutrient breakdown than eating something laden with sauces or whatnot.

Lol. Counting calories is counting calories whether or not you measure and eat an item by itself or measure it than mix it with other things to make it more appealing and enhance the taste. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever.

[RichardMilk]

I like the OP's approach to food and in some ways relate to it, since I can't stand cooking and preparing food and don't like to spend time in the kitchen. It was actually kind of liberating to me when I realized I didn't always need to have proper "lunch food" at lunch time and could sometimes just go for a bowl of oats with nuts and milk and a bland piece of grilled chicken and be done with it. I do try to have some variety though.

[2020Wellness]

When a measuring cup full of milk is involved to reach 5k calories...you're doing it wrong. Eat funner food dude.
I don't have to explain why I'm not listening to you, AT ALL.


You do realize that processed foods are made from a combination of food right? They just don't make things out of thin air.
Oh really? And I thought it was all magic from the Keebler elves and Count Chocula...... way to ruin it for me man.

As far as foods that combine macronutrients we have dairy (I noted this was the exception earlier), oats (calories from fat are negligible, it is a primary carb source), nuts (fat and protein here, with the primary calorie source being fats), grains (same as oats for the most part), beans(carbs again, but not fats), pasta (wrong again), every cut of meat that isn't lean (meat has carbs?), eggs (eggs have carbs?), etc.
For the last time, I am challenging WonderPug to come up with a list of 10 foods (a single food item, not a combo of foods) that provide carb calories AND fat calories and are NOT made in a factory.

Note most of those are entire categories of foods and not just single items.
Note that most of those are not what I'm looking for.

Exactly. The original post had no explanation and came off as "Basque in the glory of my awesomeness. Look at what I eat everyday since you all are dying to know. Did I mention I'm the sh*t?" And then your subsequent posts served only to amplify that impression.
If you're insecure, I can see where you'd get that. Otherwise, I can't see where you'd get that. Bottom line.

If people really were asking you about what you eat, you could have sent this to them in PMs, posted it in you other food journal thread, or at least offered a caveat at the end of the first post.
I could've, except that my main intention of posting in these forums is to help people. I help 1000s, while you just bicker.

And WonderPug that meal looks familiar ;)


On another note, my 4th meal of the day:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0569.jpg

The first person to guess what the ingredients are gets a free Growth Stimulus Training eBook!

Have at it!

[2020Wellness]

Lol. Counting calories is counting calories whether or not you measure and eat an item by itself or measure it than mix it with other things to make it more appealing and enhance the taste. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Just a hunch, but I think he understands that concept.......lol.

Man, the arrogance and assuming attitude of some people in here is THICK.

[JohnBrowne]

Boring diet is boring. Not to mention sorely lacking in micronutrients.

At the very least this topic isn't thread worthy.

I for one wouldn't pay money for your services.

[ko300zx]

Just a hunch, but I think he understands that concept.......lol.

Man, the arrogance and assuming attitude of some people in here is THICK.

Just a hunch, but...actually no, not a hunch...FACT he doesn't.

"In fact i would go so far as to say i have more 'fun' eating something plain and nutritious, with full knowledge of its contents and nutrient breakdown than eating something laden with sauces or whatnot."

COUNT THE SAUCES - KNOW WHAT YOU ARE EATING

Again, I'm not assuming anything that isn't pretty much stated, just as before when you out of nowhere doubled your sources of fats later on.

[smbrown3706]

What's up with all the protein shakes?

[PJR23]

Guess:

We know about your avocado chips
obviously salsa

Big guess... some sort of bean dip protein mixture?

[2020Wellness]

Boring diet is boring. Not to mention sorely lacking in micronutrients.

At the very least this topic isn't thread worthy.

I for one wouldn't pay money for your services.

I for one wouldn't accept you as a client. No harm done to either one of us, move along sir.

[2020Wellness]

What's up with all the protein shakes?

I like whey.

[2020Wellness]

Guess:

We know about your avocado chips
obviously salsa

Big guess... some sort of bean dip protein mixture?

'Bean dip protein mixture' isn't going to cut it :)

[PJR23]

'Bean dip protein mixture' isn't going to cut it :)

hmm pinto beans i give up

[ko300zx]

I like whey.

Lol you negged me when you clearly have no insight into dieting, nutrition, or the English language. Please stop spreading your garbage advice to people looking for quality information because you clearly cannot provide anything of the sort. And please, learn to read before you tell me I'm making assumptions and telling me I'm making myself look like an ass...you've been doing it for 6 pages.

[Drizzy10]

I don't have to explain why I'm not listening to you, AT ALL.



On another note, my 4th meal of the day:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0569.jpg

The first person to guess what the ingredients are gets a free Growth Stimulus Training eBook!

Have at it!

guacomole chips,salsa, and refried beans,and maybe some cheese or ground meat is mixed into it. maybe with some chili queso mixed in?

[JohnBrowne]

Lol you negged me when you clearly have no insight into dieting, nutrition, or the English language. Please stop spreading your garbage advice to people looking for quality information because you clearly cannot provide anything of the sort. And please, learn to read before you tell me I'm making assumptions and telling me I'm making myself look like an ass...you've been doing it for 6 pages.

Strong post is strong

[riaden]

is that cinnmon in the beans and whey mixture? lol

[iwannagethench]

Lol you negged me when you clearly have no insight into dieting, nutrition, or the English language. Please stop spreading your garbage advice to people looking for quality information because you clearly cannot provide anything of the sort. And please, learn to read before you tell me I'm making assumptions and telling me I'm making myself look like an ass...you've been doing it for 6 pages.

dude stfu, how you gonna say anything about diet when i'm looking at your pics right now and all i see is a fat tub of ****. at least back it up before you start sayin ****, you've obviously had a ****ed up diet!

[2020Wellness]

Lol you negged me when you clearly have no insight into dieting, nutrition, or the English language. Please stop spreading your garbage advice to people looking for quality information because you clearly cannot provide anything of the sort. And please, learn to read before you tell me I'm making assumptions and telling me I'm making myself look like an ass...you've been doing it for 6 pages.

Clearly I know nothing about those things.......lol. I'll rely on experience and photo proof of that experience to display that in fact, I do know a thing or two about dieting and nutrition.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/Weeks1-9.jpg

Also, I'd like you to know that since the beginning of my training days, I've put around 60lbs of lean mass onto my frame. Since nutrition is a HUGE part of making progress, I'd say you're clearly wrong in your claim of me having no insight into nutrition.

Here is another photo of one of my most diligent clients.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/ProgresstodateApril27th2010.jpg

Results speak for themself. Put up or shut up.

[2020Wellness]

guacomole chips,salsa, and refried beans,and maybe some cheese or ground meat is mixed into it. maybe with some chili queso mixed in?

Very close, but gotta have it a little more specific.

[JohnBrowne]

2020 claims to have gained 60 pounds of LBM

http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5116452/NOT-SURE-IF-SRS.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=EmperorSrs

[Drizzy10]

Very close, but gotta have it a little more specific.

Dude your killing me!...and Lol at week 6 progress pic nice undies.....no homo

[ko300zx]

dude stfu, how you gonna say anything about diet when i'm looking at your pics right now and all i see is a fat tub of ****. at least back it up before you start sayin ****, you've obviously had a ****ed up diet!

Figured that would come up from some no-name nuthugger without an avi eventually.

But for the record, I attempted dirty bulking for about 6 months after reading through Josh Hyaduck's log and the progress he made doing so, and realized it wasn't for me, and also realized that it would be a good time to use the transformation challenge to get rid of some of the 60 lbs I put on last year while doing so otherwise I would have no incentive to post pictures of myself as a fatass.

But thanks for your input.

[rich503]

When are we going to get over the whole stats = knowledge thing? Jay Cutler doesn't know his ahole from his elbow when it comes to nutrition.

Because the overwhelming majority of big, strong guys have put some time into learning nutrition/training. Usually a combo of reading and "in the trenches" learning. Of course there are some huge guys who know nothing but I do not think it's the norm.

In addition, in the real world you have to accomplish something to talk about it. Either spending years learning and applying the knowledge to get big OR helping a bunch of others achieve their goals. Lyle McDonald may not be huge but he has taught many others how to eat. In the BB.com forum-world you can weigh 110 lbs, train for 6 months, never train another human, but still talk **** to those who have done things...

I think the second paragraph is common sense. You may disagree (which is fine) but you should still at least see my point. But please be aware I am not saying a 220 lb guy is more knowledgeable than a 205 lb guy...but a 19 y/o twig should read and not write.

[2020Wellness]

2020 claims to have gained 60 pounds of LBM

http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5116452/NOT-SURE-IF-SRS.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=EmperorSrs

You can be sure now:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/BeforeAfter.jpg

[JohnBrowne]

You can be sure now:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/BeforeAfter.jpg

Yeah... that doesn't look like 60 pounds of LBM gain... sorry to burst your bubble.

[Drizzy10]

Homemade chili and refried beans. guacamole chips and salsa.....Holy crap I want that E boook!!!!! please be right

[JohnBrowne]

This is a gain of 70 pounds of LBM according to Yates himself...

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/1/f15ef-Dorian_Yates_Before_and_After.jpg

[ko300zx]

Clearly I know nothing about those things.......lol. I'll rely on experience and photo proof of that experience to display that in fact, I do know a thing or two about dieting and nutrition.

[IMG]http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/Weeks1-9.jpg[IMG]

Also, I'd like you to know that since the beginning of my training days, I've put around 60lbs of lean mass onto my frame. Since nutrition is a HUGE part of making progress, I'd say you're clearly wrong in your claim of me having no insight into nutrition.

Here is another photo of one of my most diligent clients.

[IMG]http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/ProgresstodateApril27th2010.jpg[IMG]

Results speak for themself. Put up or shut up.

This is you in a nutshell vvv


watch the first video at 2:50-3:05

zMb2iaBcL6Q

[2020Wellness]

Yeah... that doesn't look like 60 pounds of LBM gain... sorry to burst your bubble.

I don't care what you think it looks like. I've lived my life, you haven't. The intimate details that others seem to just magically know about my life just boggle my mind, lol.

Once again, I know my body better than you do. When I say I gained 60lbs of lean mass, then back it up with photo illustration, and have no reason to lie about it, it is a safe bet to assume that I'm being honest.

Either way, your opinion is your opinion, and you obviously need to make it known.

[Drizzy10]

[QUOTE=JohnBrowne;627074673]This is a gain of 70 pounds of LBM according to Yates himself...

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/1/f15ef-Dorian_Yates_Before_and_After.jpg[/QUOTE
I would say thats totally false....Lets just say Dorian weighed 180 in the first pic.( which he probably weighs less) In second pic hes definitely over 250, probably around 270-300

[JohnBrowne]

I would say thats totally false....Lets just say Dorian weighed 180 in the first pic.( which he probably weighs less) In second pic hes definitely over 250, probably around 270-300

You're clueless...

[JohnBrowne]

I don't care what you think it looks like. I've lived my life, you haven't. The intimate details that others seem to just magically know about my life just boggle my mind, lol.

Once again, I know my body better than you do. When I say I gained 60lbs of lean mass, then back it up with photo illustration, and have no reason to lie about it, it is a safe bet to assume that I'm being honest.

Either way, your opinion is your opinion, and you obviously need to make it known.

I think it's clear you're incompetent.

/thread?

-TX6o7R8LSg

[iwannagethench]

Figured that would come up from some no-name nuthugger without an avi eventually.

But for the record, I attempted dirty bulking for about 6 months after reading through Josh Hyaduck's log and the progress he made doing so, and realized it wasn't for me, and also realized that it would be a good time to use the transformation challenge to get rid of some of the 60 lbs I put on last year while doing so otherwise I would have no incentive to post pictures of myself as a fatass.

But thanks for your input.

i ain't gonna lie, i ain't in the greatest shape but i damn sure no well i look far better than you, i'm just a standard skinny/toned guy whose building his way up, nothing special. and lol at how yo kept goin, didn't you notice you were getting fat at some point? surely you would know you was doing something wrong? oh well, we'll see if you don't **** it up this time fat asss

[2020Wellness]

This is you in a nutshell vvv

I just had PB, rice, bread, a banana, and chicken post workout today....... wtf are you talking about.

[ko300zx]

i ain't gonna lie, i ain't in the greatest shape but i damn sure no well i look far better than you, i'm just a standard skinny/toned guy whose building his way up, nothing special. and lol at how yo kept goin, didn't you notice you were getting fat at some point? surely you would know you was doing something wrong? oh well, we'll see if you don't **** it up this time fat asss

Lol. Of course I noticed the fat, that is the concept of dirty bulking... excessively exceeding caloric requirements without regard for fat gain. Wasn't for me. Don't worry, I've lost 15 lbs since the beginning of the year without any strength loss (actually some increase). One more tidbit. The point of bodybuilding is not to be the biggest or the strongest, but to LOOK the biggest, same for this challenge...I may or may not have eaten 1000 calories and shoved my gut out when taking those pictures to make the transformation results LOOK the best. Cheers, stay "toned."

[Drizzy10]

You're clueless...

and whys that? dorians not 250 in that pic

[JayAllen20]

WOW! All the haters have come out to play today! It's amazing the assumptions they like to make after reading a few posts...

All I have to say is that if they're all getting on you then you're definitely doing something right. Your results speak for themselves and that's all there is to it. Keep up the hard work!

[iwannagethench]

Lol. Of course I noticed the fat, that is the concept of dirty bulking... excessively exceeding caloric requirements without regard for fat gain. Wasn't for me. Don't worry, I've lost 15 lbs since the beginning of the year without any strength loss (actually some increase). One more tidbit. The point of bodybuilding is not to be the biggest or the strongest, but to LOOK the biggest, same for this challenge...I may or may not have eaten 1000 calories and shoved my gut out when taking those pictures to make the transformation results LOOK the best. Cheers, stay "toned."

ahhh so you took the easy way out and did the dirty bulking.. smart move there i can see it worked out for the best! and i'm sure do LOOK the biggest, well done mate.. and i said i'm on my way to getting big, i don't intend on staying toned and definitely will not.

[2020Wellness]

WOW! All the haters have come out to play today! It's amazing the assumptions they like to make after reading a few posts...

All I have to say is that if they're all getting on you then you're definitely doing something right. Your results speak for themselves and that's all there is to it. Keep up the hard work!

Yep, exactly right Jay!

Like I said to one of them, photos speak for themselves; put up or shut up.

[ordietrying]

http://www.freshbytes.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/internet-serious-business-cat.jpg

http://www.wallpaperdojo.com/images/funny/Arguing_On_Internet_For_Loser_Retards_Only.jpg

come on now people return to your real lives....... wait................

[Cumulonimbus]

Why are your meals so damn boring?

[ko300zx]

I just had PB, rice, bread, a banana, and chicken post workout today....... wtf are you talking about.

You clearly missed the point of the highlighted few seconds. You are the fitness guru in the clip, the guy who tells his clients to eat peppered horse sht, and it works. They continue eating the horse excrement because they think you know what you are talking about and that this is the only way they will see results, when in the end, the crap you are forcing on them is entirely unnecessary but you or them just don't know any better.

That 15 seconds of video basically sums up this thread.

And I never took any pics besides the one for the avi other than my fatass pics, so I have nothing to "put up." I've also only been doing the training thing since middle of last year, so you wouldn't get much of a show anyways.

[JayAllen20]

Why are your meals so damn boring?

Covered in the first couple of pages. This is the way he chooses to do things. This is just ONE day of eating and his meals get more diverse as the week goes on when time allows. This was just a sample of ONE of his days. People inquired and he delivered. Simply put: It works for him and that's it :)

People really need to start reading more than just the first post in this thread. LOL

[ko300zx]

ahhh so you took the easy way out and did the dirty bulking.. smart move there i can see it worked out for the best! and i'm sure do LOOK the biggest, well done mate.. and i said i'm on my way to getting big, i don't intend on staying toned and definitely will not.

Allowed me to go from barely benching 125lbs at a body weight of under 170 last summer, to benching 225 for reps before the end of the year at ~220lbs, among many other improvements. It wasn't a total loss. Definitely made sure to maximize any type of noob gains I made, but definitely at the cost of looking like sht. Hope I do look like the fattest slob, goal achieved if everyone shares your opinion. :)

[dustinh6719]

You can be sure now:

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/BeforeAfter.jpg

Stong photoshop looks strong. Jus' sayin.

Also bump for page 8!

[2020Wellness]

Why are your meals so damn boring?

Why is your leg so ripped?

[JayAllen20]

You clearly missed the point of the highlighted few seconds. You are the fitness guru in the clip, the guy who tells his clients to eat peppered horse sht, and it works. They continue eating the horse excrement because they think you know what you are talking about and that this is the only way they will see results, when in the end, the crap you are forcing on them is entirely unnecessary but you or them just don't know any better.

That 15 seconds of video basically sums up this thread.

And I never took any pics besides the one for the avi other than my fatass pics, so I have nothing to "put up." I've also only been doing the training thing since middle of last year, so you wouldn't get much of a show anyways.

You'd really love heading over to the Contest Prep section then and telling some of those professionals over there (who use the same techniques and deliver the same results) how bad they are at their jobs when it comes to getting their clients lean and shredded :)

Why are you assuming he doesn't know how to instruct his clients on proper nutrition? Because you find his choices in meal selection bland and not for you? Because you saw a video blog of him explaining how HE does things in regards to his own diet and training? Have you interviewed the majority of his clientele to see what they do or do not know in terms of diet and exercise or what they've been taught in relation to those subject by the OP?

I'm just curious as to where you draw your conclusions because all I've seen so far is the OP posting what HE eats and what WORKS for him. What's wrong with that? Do you know his body better than he does? What makes you more qualified? Just curious

[2020Wellness]

Stong photoshop looks strong. Jus' sayin.

Also bump for page 8!

Nah, your avatar looks shopped, my picture I posted looks like hard work and dedication.

[themoose333]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/homer_bushes.gif

[iwannagethench]

Allowed me to go from barely benching 125lbs at a body weight of under 170 last summer, to benching 225 for reps before the end of the year at ~220lbs, among many other improvements. It wasn't a total loss. Definitely made sure to maximize any type of noob gains I made, but definitely at the cost of looking like sht. Hope I do look like the fattest slob, goal achieved if everyone shares your opinion. :)

fair enough, not bad you're quite strong, stronger than me atm but then again you've been training for far longer than me, and to be honest i wouldn't want to end up like that but if you're happy with it fair enough. i just think you don't know what you're talking about and should respect this dude as he probably knows more than you, and he has much better results to show for it and probably has a shiiitload more experience and knowledge, but whatever..

[2020Wellness]

I'm still looking for an eBook winner! Who can guess my dinner's meal ingredients?! The meal is posted a page back or so.

Drizzy is close, but not quite there.

[themoose333]

1. Guacamole flavored chips

2. Salsa: probably diced tomato, onion, pepper, seasonings

3. Refried bean mix: Beans, diced onion, ground beef, cheddar cheese, maybe some bacon or tomato?

[2020Wellness]

1. Guacamole flavored chips

2. Salsa: probably diced tomato, onion, pepper, seasonings

3. Refried bean mix: Beans, diced onion, ground beef, cheddar cheese, maybe some bacon or tomato?

Nobody's gonna get closer than that! Shoot me your email address in a PM.

[ko300zx]

I'm just curious as to where you draw your conclusions because all I've seen so far is the OP posting what HE eats and what WORKS for him. What's wrong with that? Do you know his body better than he does? What makes you more qualified? Just curious

Like I said earlier, Jay Cutler has no idea what he's talking about with his you must eat slow digesting carbs only, eating 10 times a day to keep his metabolism up, etc etc. I could care less what anyone in the contest prep section has to say. They probably share the same beliefs.

I never said I cared about what he ate. I only ever said I would hate having to eat that. Never said he had to change it. I really don't care what people choose to eat. Then out of nowhere called me arrogant and assuming. I found that a little rude coming from someone who clearly cannot read what he's quoting.

I felt the need to let him know why his thread had reached 7 pages. It isn't because it is overflowing with valuable information...it is because he is a bro. A bro with little knowledge of nutrition, a god awfully bland and boring diet, and one that has the micronutrient content of a cardboard box. The only threads that exceed 2-3 pages are threads full of broscience being called out by those in the know, while the bro arrogantly stands his ground and refuses to believe what he is doing isn't anything but the best...."because it works."

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fake-diploma-e1290115516150.png

[Acevedo85]

5k cals?

how much weight are you trying to gain?

and im talking lean here lol

[2020Wellness]

Like I said earlier, Jay Cutler has no idea what he's talking about with his you must eat slow digesting carbs only, eating 10 times a day to keep his metabolism up, etc etc. I could care less what anyone in the contest prep section has to say. They probably share the same beliefs.

I never said I cared about what he ate. I only ever said I would hate having to eat that. Never said he had to change it. I really don't care what people choose to eat. Then out of nowhere called me arrogant and assuming. I found that a little rude coming from someone who clearly cannot read what he's quoting.

I felt the need to let him know why his thread had reached 7 pages. It isn't because it is overflowing with valuable information...it is because he is a bro. A bro with little knowledge of nutrition, a god awfully bland and boring diet, and one that has the micronutrient content of a cardboard box. The only threads that exceed 2-3 pages are threads full of broscience being called out by those in the know, while the bro arrogantly stands his ground and refuses to believe what he is doing isn't anything but the best.


What about a thread that exceeds 200 pages? Is that 'full of broscience being called out by those in the know?'

[2020Wellness]

5k cals?

how much weight are you trying to gain?

and im talking lean here lol

As much as possible, is there any other way to think? As I mentioned before, when you're near your genetic potential, you have to do extreme things to make progress.

[JayAllen20]

Like I said earlier, Jay Cutler has no idea what he's talking about with his you must eat slow digesting carbs only, eating 10 times a day to keep his metabolism up, etc etc. I could care less what anyone in the contest prep section has to say. They probably share the same beliefs.

I never said I cared about what he ate. I only ever said I would hate having to eat that. Never said he had to change it. I really don't care what people choose to eat. Then out of nowhere called me arrogant and assuming. I found that a little rude coming from someone who clearly cannot read what he's quoting.

I felt the need to let him know why his thread had reached 7 pages. It isn't because it is overflowing with valuable information...it is because he is a bro. A bro with little knowledge of nutrition, a god awfully bland and boring diet, and one that has the micronutrient content of a cardboard box. The only threads that exceed 2-3 pages are threads full of broscience being called out by those in the know, while the bro arrogantly stands his ground and refuses to believe what he is doing isn't anything but the best...."because it works."

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fake-diploma-e1290115516150.png

Strong argument that fails miserably

Why don't you check out some of the OP's other threads first before you start calling him out and drawing conclusion. YOU obviously have no idea what you're talking about and it's pretty obvious your extensive knowledge doesn't extend much further than the bodyspace.com forum pages :)

It's funny that you also make the assumption that he claims what he's doing is the best way. He simply said it was what works for him. Since you have no idea what works for him or can not offer any other recommendations I don't see the point of you even hanging around this thread other than wasting the OP's time :)

[ko300zx]

What about a thread that exceeds 200 pages? Is that 'full of broscience being called out by those in the know?'

Do not care about GST thread...training methods are even less important than nutrition when looking for results (assuming an individual isn't a complete idiot training 6 times a day, 7 days a week).

Bed time though, it's been fun.

[ko300zx]

Strong argument that fails miserably

Why don't you check out some of the OP's other threads first before you start calling him out and drawing conclusion. YOU obviously have no idea what you're talking about and it's pretty obvious your extensive knowledge doesn't extend much further than the bodyspace.com forum pages :)

It's funny that you also make the assumption that he claims what he's doing is the best way. He simply said it was what works for him. Since you have no idea what works for him or can not offer any other recommendations I don't see the point of you even hanging around this thread other than wasting the OP's time :)

You need to get off his nuts. You've offered nothing to this thread other than a place for him to set his scrotum while he types. I don't need to check his other threads. They will be full of the same garbage.

I also do not need to make recommendations. Countless ones have been made, he's refused them for whatever BS reason like each food he eats can only contain 1 macro and he needs to drink 8 shakes a day because he has a job (just like the rest of the world.)

His reply to every suggestion is BS, just like yours, and his constant refusal of suggestions indicates he thinks what he is doing is best for him. Not an assumption because who the fck would do something they think is sub-optimal?

[2020Wellness]

Do not care about GST thread...training methods are even less important than nutrition when looking for results (assuming an individual isn't a complete idiot training 6 times a day, 7 days a week).

Bed time though, it's been fun.

I love this stuff. Training methods aren't important, the food choices you make aren't important, blah blah blah.

You guys take the things WAY too far and then try to push that jumbled idea onto others, which will make them think that they can get great results from loose eating habits and training however they want that day.

Do you really believe that? It isn't a coincidence that the best physiques are the most dedicated to their strict guidelines and habits.

Show me a superb physique that happened by eating whatever, whenever, and training without structure. I'm waiting.

[JayAllen20]

Nobody's gonna get closer than that! Shoot me your email address in a PM.

AH, SOB beat me too it! HAHA. Good job and congrats!

[2020Wellness]

Just saw ko300zx's 'bodybuilding' pics. Lotta bark, but very little bite.

Good luck with that challenge. I guarantee you don't win, even with the fuel that I just gave you for your fire.

[ko300zx]

I love this stuff. Training methods aren't important, the food choices you make aren't important, blah blah blah.

You guys take the things WAY too far and then try to push that jumbled idea onto others, which will make them think that they can get great results from loose eating habits and training however they want that day.

Do you really believe that? It isn't a coincidence that the best physiques are the most dedicated to their strict guidelines and habits.

Show me a superb physique that happened by eating whatever, whenever, and training without structure. I'm waiting.

Lol.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs067.snc3/13466_10150214467505322_805170321_13065542_1156868 _n.jpg


I'm really glad you pointed that out because I see these "dirty vs clean bulk" threads all the time and I don't really think it should be looked at that way. The past 5 days I have been eating pretty much straight "junk". High sugar/fat, low protein foods. I have 20lbs of whey and I have been using a lot of it to make up for that "junk". Candy, cakes, fast food hamburgers, Moe's Burritos, Taco Bell, Chick Fil A (a very common post-workout meal for me, a regular sandwich w/ large fries), pizza, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (at least twice a day)...the list goes on. I enjoy myself and make incredible gains this way because I workout very, very hard. My strength has gone up tremendously already and I'm already in a pretty much "ideal" off-season condition I feel...I'm strong and full of energy every workout. Pumps are insane as well.

I will start following the diet that I posted above but I won't limit myself to those foods every day. I will still have my Chick Fil A, Moe's, and Peanut Butter Sandwiches quite often and there are still a few things on my "To Eat List", lol. Such as some cheesecake!


I've had kind of a weird way of going about my training for the past year or so as I'm sure anyone can see who has viewed my other thread. It hasn't been very organized or consistent (it's been consistent as far as me training daily but my workouts just had no real setup really). I've been seeing amazing results but I haven't really been planning out my workouts in anyway so it's kind of hard for me to explain what I was really doing. So, I will now start organizing the things I do as far as training and hopefully it will give you a better look of how I train.

Good attempt though, A for effort. Professional at age 22.




Just saw ko300zx's 'bodybuilding' pics. Lotta bark, but very little bite.

Good luck with that challenge. I guarantee you don't win, even with the fuel that I just gave you for your fire.

Lol, true arrogance here. You've been doing this for 8 years and still don't know what you are doing. You're dieting progress pics aren't that impressive either, you are just large. You've only proved you can eat excessive calories and pick up some weights. NOT IMPRESSIVE. I've been doing it for less than a year. Never said I was going to win. Using it as motivation and sticking to something strict.

Lol these last few replies made me realize how little you know about anything. Good luck to you and your clients.

[2020Wellness]

So he ate junk for 5 days, lol. He says he will still stick to the diet posted above, which you failed to post up as well. He says he'll eat those fast foods 'quite often,' which means he has his cheats........who doesn't.

Also, bear in mind that he is saying those things AFTER he has already built up his physique if those posts coincide with the picture's timeline.

If you don't think he followed training programs and ate with reason, you're just being ignorant.

Am I cutting into your recovery time (sleep) too much?

[Acevedo85]

As much as possible, is there any other way to think? As I mentioned before, when you're near your genetic potential, you have to do extreme things to make progress.

whats yor bf%?

[Acevedo85]

Do not care about GST thread...training methods are even less important than nutrition when looking for results (assuming an individual isn't a complete idiot training 6 times a day, 7 days a week).

Bed time though, it's been fun.

see Im not a believer that your body needs your typical 7-9 hrs of sleep for recovery.

Perfect example....look at Special forces recruits across all branches(BUD/S, PJ, Ranger School, Green Berets)

...but thats another topic for another time.

[ko300zx]

So he ate junk for 5 days, lol. He says he will still stick to the diet posted above, which you failed to post up as well. He says he'll eat those fast foods 'quite often,' which means he has his cheats........who doesn't.

Also, bear in mind that he is saying those things AFTER he has already built up his physique if those posts coincide with the picture's timeline.

If you don't think he followed training programs and ate with reason, you're just being ignorant.

Am I cutting into your recovery time (sleep) too much?

You are pathetic, go read the log and find out for yourself if you want to sit there and be delusional like you have been about everything else. I'll give you another quote, and go reread what you wrote. "Show me a superb physique that happened by eating whatever, whenever, and training without structure. I'm waiting." I provided that. Here you go again changing up what you really mean and just clearly lacking the ability to comprehend anything, just like with your fats you eat, which is probably a load of crap. 1 jar of almonds a day and skim milk.


I never paid attention to bulking or cutting when I was little, it's probably why I grew like I did because I ate whatever I wanted and didn't care about the ripped 6 pack. I have no idea how much I ate before I was 20 but I did go through lots of whey and I pig'd out on sweets and soda's a lot.

[2020Wellness]

You are pathetic, go read the log and find out for yourself if you want to sit there and be delusional like you have been about everything else. I'll give you another quote.

First page of his log, he uses whey 3 times per day........dear god, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Please criticize him like I've been criticized for using whey as well.

He also follows guidelines that he uses for HIMSELF.........NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

He also has reasoning for his training methods........I can't take this **** anymore......MIND = BLOWN.

[2020Wellness]

Also, about that quote you posted:

Do you condone pigging out on sweets and soda?

He also said, 'before I was 20.' What happened once he turned 20? I bet he started to do some research and get more serious in his methods......no surprise, I did the exact same thing, except I believe I was 21.

[JayAllen20]

You are pathetic, go read the log and find out for yourself if you want to sit there and be delusional like you have been about everything else. I'll give you another quote, and go reread what you wrote. "Show me a superb physique that happened by eating whatever, whenever, and training without structure. I'm waiting." I provided that. Here you go again changing up what you really mean and just clearly lacking the ability to comprehend anything, just like with your fats you eat, which is probably a load of crap. 1 jar of almonds a day and skim milk.

^^ Just wondering how many calories you burn while grasping at straws.... would that count as LISS cardio?

[ko300zx]

Lol moron, you're a joke. Later

[JayAllen20]

First page of his log, he uses whey 3 times per day........dear god, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Please criticize him like I've been criticized for using whey as well.

He also follows guidelines that he uses for HIMSELF.........NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

He also has reasoning for his training methods........I can't take this **** anymore......MIND = BLOWN.

Sounds familiar... doesn't it? :)

[2020Wellness]

Lol moron, you're a joke. Later

Sleep well, you've got a big day ahead of you.

[2020Wellness]

Closing out the night with some cottage cheese, blueberries, oat bread, peanut butter, whole milk, and of course some hand soap to keep it clean!

1050 cals or so.....I couldn't find the soap on calorieking, so if someone can help me out, I'd appreciate it. Maybe WonderPug or 3000gt know......guys?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0570.jpg

[Acevedo85]

I would have to force-feed myself every one of those meals minus the final one. Dry oat bread and almonds all day? More power to you if you can force that stuff down your throat all week. When you hear stories of people just giving up on their diets because they are sick of eating god awfully boring foods, this is what I picture. Whatever works for you though.

if you "love" those foods..then a diet like this can be successful.

The #1 reason that 99% of all diets fail is BECAUSE PEOPLE GO INTO A DIET WITH FOOD CHOICES THEY DONT LIKE TO EAT. Its like going out with a girl just because of the way she looks...eventually youll get sick of her **** and move on/

[JohnBrowne]

lol 2020 got raped by ko300zx in his own thread

[2020Wellness]

lol 2020 got raped by ko300zx in his own thread

Does that mean ko300zx is a homosexual?

[JohnBrowne]

Does that mean ko300zx is a homosexual?

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh snap

[2020Wellness]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh snap

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[dustinh6719]

ITT: Strong sack straggling and total ownage.

[iwannagethench]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh snap

do you have a bunch of dead 8 year olds in your fridge?

[Acevedo85]

how does one go from discussing cals and meals to insults?

[RichardMilk]

I think to criticise one's diet and training program in these forums you would think the person making the critic ought to have at least a comparable physique in terms of size and BF% to the person whom they are critising, but that it is obviously not the case. That's not particular to bodybuilding though. I'm a member of guitar forums and you do often see guys who can't play s*** and yet seem to always know what others players are doing wrong.

[WonderPug]

how does one go from discussing cals and meals to insults?

It's too bad that this discussion often degenerate into insult-laden diatribes, especially given how simple the matter under debate is.

From what I can tell, the OP's position is:

1. The diet examples given are easy to prepare and transport.

2. The food is palatable (at least to him).

The opposing views are that:

1. The food selection is relatively unappealing (benchmarked to the majority's taste preferences), especially given a daily budget of 5,000 calories from which to assemble meals.

2. The example diet is lacking in micronutrients, particularly given the relative sparsity of fruits and vegetables.


By the way, if this thread had initially been started in the log section as opposed to the main nutrition section (from which it was subsequently moved), I doubt there would have been much, if any, debate.

[2020Wellness]

Closing out the night with some cottage cheese, blueberries, oat bread, peanut butter, whole milk, and of course some hand soap to keep it clean!

1050 cals or so.....I couldn't find the soap on calorieking, so if someone can help me out, I'd appreciate it. Maybe WonderPug or 3000gt know......guys?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0570.jpg

Anyone?

[Cumulonimbus]

Looks like a clean meal bro.

[2020Wellness]

Looks like a clean meal bro.

Thanks, I figured I'd step up my game for the gurus in here. I'm finally getting it now, I think at least. Can I get a confirmation on that from one of the almighty?

[ErickStevens]

I'm a certified personal trainer and I've been working in the fitness industry for a couple years now, yet I've never heard anybody call themselves an "expert". Even CSCSs and guys with certifications out the wazoo.

I'm not sure if 2020 called himself this or his neophytes have taken to calling him one, but it's kind of pretentious don't you think? I find it hard to believe 2020 would call himself on seeing as how he's a pretty reasonable dude, but you never know.

[2020Wellness]

I'm a certified personal trainer and I've been working in the fitness industry for a couple years now, yet I've never heard anybody call themselves an "expert". Even CSCSs and guys with certifications out the wazoo.

I'm not sure if 2020 called himself this or his neophytes have taken to calling him one, but it's kind of pretentious don't you think? I find it hard to believe 2020 would call himself on seeing as how he's a pretty reasonable dude, but you never know.

Erick,

I have never claimed to be an expert in this thread, or any other thread. I simply use my experiences with myself and others throughout the past decade in a positive manner to persue my passion in life and help others while doing so.

You will not find a post where I refer to myself as any better than anyone else. I will defend myself when someone tells me I know nothing about trainining and nutrition, which is only to be expected.

I am viewed in a favorable manner by the majority on these boards, which is not an easy task around here. The first reply in this thread was one of nonsense, by a common problem starter, and it spiraled from there. No big surprise.

Now I'm just having fun with it :) I'll answer those who are really looking for advice, but the haters aren't gonna get much more than a sarcastic response.

[2020Wellness]

Since this is now in the 'Log' section, here we go!

This was a great meal my wife made for me the other night:

Turkey Burger w/ Bread Crumbs
Sweet Potato Fries
Asparagus
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/deadliftsmith/IMAG0562.jpg

This meal was awesome! My wife is a very good cook, and the seasonings were NICE. The best part about her cooking is that she pays careful attention to portion sizing and knows the amounts of the foods I eat by heart. Gotta love it!

[PJR23]

I find it ironic that anyone would call themselves and expert. Considering it can take a lifetime to understand one's own body, there is no way in hell anyone can be an expert at everyone's nutrtional requirements for growth or weight loss. You can have a better idea of what to do to acomplish goals ie: a trainer, but no one is an expert regardless of how many posts they have here.