bijsanei's Journey: Weight Loss in 2010, First Slow Bulk in 2011 [Archive]

bijsanei

01-03-2011, 02:16 PM

Hey everyone,

Nutrition logs seem to be "trending" as of late :p, so I decided (with the desire to reap the benefits of your wise feedback and the ability to keep track of my progress) to start one of my own as I have come a pretty long way thus-far and don't plan on slowing down :)... Here's the short story behind the past year or so of my life.. (Cliffs):

Back in October 2009, this was me @~235 lbs:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4940/50159322022936150294936.jpg

I was always a pretty hefty kid, as you can see in the pic, definitely more than just a bit pudgy.. but since this was how it always was and nutrition was never really an evident though in my life, it never changed..

Then I got to a point in my life where, after my best friend asked me if I wanted in on a gym membership with him, I started to look in the mirror a bit differently and realized I wanted to make a change. Thats when the gym (with very basic unstructured routines, and little to no nutritional change) began.. As time went on, results started to show with gym alone and so I began to step my game up wanting more, fast. Thats when I started dipping into supplements and getting on a fairly strict diet which was based on a low carb approach.. This is when things started to go south..

After cutting calories and losing weight had become such a large facet of my everyday life, it was all I know, so I kept doing it, faster and faster, cutting more and more calories, and my view on food became very distorted until I was barely eating 1000 calories/day (estimated) as of a few months ago... Not only did I lose most or all of my gains from my past 6 months at the gym, but I was on a slippery slope that consisted of WAY too much restriction, which led to bingeing on a regular basis.

After realizing (with the help of others) that I was actually quite lean and needed to start eating more (even though deep inside the mirror still said otherwise), I decided they were right and I would try and start turning my life around and altering my goals.. This was me at that point @~120-125lbs:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9898/photoon20101005at18182.jpg

After starting to count my calories and making weekly bumps from 1900 cals to ~2600... with a pretty high protein/fat diet (was still scared of carbz :p.. and kinda still am tbh), this was me as of 2 weeks ago (after 2 months of these calorie bumps @~125lbs):
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4282/image7vj.jpg

In this log I'm going to try my best to update my nutrition and workouts daily as I am on a 4-day split and counting/weighing my meals.. I will try and post pics for some of my meals but my parents have already commented on that in the past so I dont wanna freak em out :p. However, when I can (or when my meal actually looks good) I will, and will post my daily macros/cals

PS Dont hesitate to ask me any questions regarding my stats, supps or workouts or anything you wanna know about nutrition in general, as I have done my homework ;)

Thanks for reading and let the feedback begin!

dustinh6719

01-03-2011, 02:21 PM

In. Good luck OP!

bijsanei

01-03-2011, 02:27 PM

In. Good luck OP!

Thanks brah :)

ian0789

01-03-2011, 03:04 PM

In =P

Thank god for one more good log! Nutrition main forums are starting to make my head hurt. I need good reads to keep me busy on my free time!

foodpr0n

01-03-2011, 05:43 PM

Will be follwing/lurking mate.

Goodluck with it all

bijsanei

01-03-2011, 10:28 PM

Monday, January 3, 2011

Here goes.. first post!

Workout: Legs
[Warm-ups not included]

Hack Squat (machine): 360x12,x10,x10
Straight Leg Dead Lift: 185x12, 205x12,x10, 225x6
Leg Raise (quads): 140x10x3
Standing Calf Raise: 255x10x3, followed by drop set of 6 sets
DB Lunges: 35'sx12x2, 40'sx12 (each leg)

25 min brisk uphill walk

Food:

Not pictured: Strawberry Myofusion proats, egg whites, Peanut butter omelet, xtend intra-workout, vitastack

Greek yogurt, cooked oats, milk chocolate trutein, and cocoa mini-wheats PWO
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3228/imagehb.jpg

Spicy seasoned turkey scalloppini, sweet potato wedges, asparagus
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7/imagezuv.jpg

Pre-bed: Chocolate-dipped strawberry 'Trutein' Cottage cheese with PB&Co Smooth operator, Lindt dark chocolate (in 2 forms :)), crunchy PB cookies
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4285/imagehiz.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9417/imageztd.jpg

Macros: 2629 calories [222g Carb/264g Protein/77g Fat]

Weekly weigh-in: 125.2 lbs @11.2 %BF

Summary:
Feels pretty cool to have my own log going as i've been lurking so many for so long and admire the idea very much... Todays workout was solid as I finally almost nailed my 2 plates of SLDL's... as for eats, you tell me :)

May end up making summaries longer and more detailed with mental thoughts in the future, amidoinitright?? For today, being my first ever post, however, i hope this will suffice :D. ANY questions/comments are welcome/appreciated, though.

Hope everyone else had a killer monday,

Bijan

dustinh6719

01-03-2011, 11:01 PM

Woah :eek: Holy proteinz! A little overkill don't ya think? over 2x BW! No need for that. I would highly suggest dropping protein and making more room for carbs/fats.

Good eatz though!

bijsanei

01-03-2011, 11:10 PM

Woah :eek: Holy proteinz! A little overkill don't ya think? over 2x BW! No need for that. I would highly suggest dropping protein and making more room for carbs/fats.

Good eatz though!

A little extra protein never hurt anyone I guess, right?!:p I figure my fats are pretty good where they are, so carbs would be the thing to change..? Guess I wouldnt mind some more potatoes, bread, and oats... but then again I do love my cottage cheese :) lmao

Thanks!

AlwaysTryin

01-03-2011, 11:23 PM

A little extra protein never hurt anyone I guess, right?!:p I figure my fats are pretty good where they are, so carbs would be the thing to change..? Guess I wouldnt mind some more potatoes, bread, and oats... but then again I do love my cottage cheese :) lmao

Thanks!

Excess protein is up to you. You are meeting your requirements which is fine so anything else is your choice. I personally love steak etc so love extra protein plus I find it keeps me full

also I'm IN :p

bijsanei

01-03-2011, 11:28 PM

Excess protein is up to you. You are meeting your requirements which is fine so anything else is your choice. I personally love steak etc so love extra protein plus I find it keeps me full

also I'm IN :p

Thats what I figured, and I love eggs, cottage cheese, and meat too :)... Guess I could incorporate more carbs... just never really had the will to with the slight mental block i have when it comes to carbs (due to the past year):o

Glad to have ya ;)

dustinh6719

01-03-2011, 11:44 PM

Excess protein is up to you. You are meeting your requirements which is fine so anything else is your choice. I personally love steak etc so love extra protein plus I find it keeps me full

Says the one who calls me out for advising 1-1.5 g per lb BW... :rolleyes:

Thats what I figured, and I love eggs, cottage cheese, and meat too :)... Guess I could incorporate more carbs... just never really had the will to with the slight mental block i have when it comes to carbs (due to the past year):o

Glad to have ya ;)

But like said, it's totally up to you if like CC and Eggs better than potatoes, pasta, cereal oats then go for it, but that much extra protein IMO is just a waste of money and sacrificing calories that can be used for more energy namely carbs. ;)

AlwaysTryin

01-03-2011, 11:52 PM

Says the one who calls me out for advising 1-1.5 g per lb BW... :rolleyes:

yes because you were recommending more than is required based on studies. What someone chooses to use their calories for once they meet requirements is a personal choice

Ps don't rolleyes, it's rude

The Big Sleep

01-04-2011, 12:09 AM

Amazing transformation Bijsanei, in on this journey :)!

As for macros, just flip the carbs and protein; thats what Id do at least.

ian0789

01-04-2011, 02:19 AM

Amazing transformation Bijsanei, in on this journey :)!

As for macros, just flip the carbs and protein; thats what Id do at least.

You forgot the fats, keep them nuts happy!

Nice 1st post/eats/workout! But.... Why not BB Squats!

bijsanei

01-04-2011, 07:25 AM

Amazing transformation Bijsanei, in on this journey :)!

As for macros, just flip the carbs and protein; thats what Id do at least.

Interesting idea, may try and incorporate more carbs in the near future :)

You forgot the fats, keep them nuts happy!

Nice 1st post/eats/workout! But.... Why not BB Squats!

I love my fats! But I also am a volume eater ;) and since fats are pretty decent where they are... bring on more eggs, veggies, proats, and meat :)

Thanks! and no BB squats this workout bc I find this special machine at my gym kills my quads and glutes errtime i use it! And since squat stations were occupied, figured why not change it up :p But usually, I do do my BB squats in the Smith

bijsanei

01-04-2011, 07:27 AM

But like said, it's totally up to you if like CC and Eggs better than potatoes, pasta, cereal oats then go for it, but that much extra protein IMO is just a waste of money and sacrificing calories that can be used for more energy namely carbs. ;)

Cereal <3, Oats <3, Pasta <3

Youre prolly right about the energy, a lot of protein has just become routine for me as of late, but may try changing it up soon :)

JValjean724

01-04-2011, 07:53 AM

shambo99

01-04-2011, 08:32 AM

nice log man, good luck with your bulk as well, you have already done great work so far keep going.

Do you add the greek yoghurt to your oats? was just wondering how the tasted if you did...

themoose333

01-04-2011, 12:21 PM

Will be following! Amazing work on the weight loss and I know you'll do great buddy!

determined4000

01-04-2011, 12:30 PM

A little extra protein never hurt anyone I guess, right?!:p I figure my fats are pretty good where they are, so carbs would be the thing to change..? Guess I wouldnt mind some more potatoes, bread, and oats... but then again I do love my cottage cheese :) lmao

Thanks!

Well excess protein can mean excess toxins in your system (do you know your BUN from a recent blood test?). It also is certainly more expensive and less efficient energy source.

ian0789

01-04-2011, 12:30 PM

Thanks! and no BB squats this workout bc I find this special machine at my gym kills my quads and glutes errtime i use it! And since squat stations were occupied, figured why not change it up :p But usually, I do do my BB squats in the Smith

Drop the Smith and do them in the squat rack or power rack. I used to use it and it was night and day when I switched over to REAL Squats. They will hit your legs and core 5000000 times harder then the Smith =)

bijsanei

01-04-2011, 01:48 PM

It seems to me you have a great base to start with.....125lbs is a lot better at 5' 4'' then at 5' 11'' :o

You look pretty darn lean too as you can see your abs and veins even with the loose skin which I'm sure will tighten up as you put on some more muscle.

And thats not even my leanest looking pic ;) lmao jokes... But ya, thats the plan :D

Glad youre in on this JVal! Thanks! Been following your log for a while and I feel we share some similarities!

nice log man, good luck with your bulk as well, you have already done great work so far keep going.

Do you add the greek yoghurt to your oats? was just wondering how the tasted if you did...

Thanks a lot man, really do appreciate it

Ya i cook the oats first then add em right in with my yogurt and powder, yogurt makes it creamy and gives it more volume which I love :)

Will be following! Amazing work on the weight loss and I know you'll do great buddy!

Thanks! Glad to have ya ;)

Well excess protein can mean excess toxins in your system (do you know your BUN from a recent blood test?). It also is certainly more expensive and less efficient energy source.

Really eh... No i dont know that stat... And so i've heard ^^^, incorporation of excess carbs has been hard for me

Drop the Smith and do them in the squat rack or power rack. I used to use it and it was night and day when I switched over to REAL Squats. They will hit your legs and core 5000000 times harder then the Smith =)

Good to know, just always had balance problems with the rack lmao :p the pressures really on when you step under that bar... Just gotta start lighter, man up, and go for it i guess :)... PS I loveee that burn you get, so will be going for it next workout if i can :D

ian0789

01-04-2011, 02:16 PM

bijsanei

01-04-2011, 03:07 PM

Yea man you will love it. That was my problem, I felt off every time I would try to do BB squats. I started off light and got my form down pat and now I am Squating 240lb (Not that thats anything to rave about but for my size I think its damn well good)

Just work on your foot stance and form. Your weight will go up a **** ton vs doing the Smiths + Smith is like cheating =) I love seeing dudes bench like 200lb on the smith, I make it a point to sigh at them as I go by.

Your workout will be so much more with just swapping out to real BB Squats. You WILL feel the difference in how your body feels after your workout and the next morning =) I can tell you that much.

As for protein intake :/ I my self normally dont eat to many carbs on off days. Probably in the mid 200's so I tend to bump up my fat a bit more and my protein is alot higher. Hate to say it but Id eat grilled chicken, sludge, steaks, turkey over a lot of carbs.

If you find your self not stalling on the PR's or enjoying your food then eat how you like to =) Just dont think the carbs are the devil when it comes to lifting days.

Thanks for the pointers and comments brah :)

Just wondering about the carbs and cals on off days as ive heard different things sooo many times and not sure what to believe... I am currently eating ~100 cals less on the day I'm not lifting (but still do HIIT on treadmill)... and cutting down on the carbs and adding more fat as you said... But is this really necessary? I dont mind cutting the cals but not sure if this is really the right approach, since you would use the energy for your workout the next day anyway, wouldnt you?

spak

01-04-2011, 03:19 PM

The Solution

01-04-2011, 03:25 PM

Well excess protein can mean excess toxins in your system (do you know your BUN from a recent blood test?). It also is certainly more expensive and less efficient energy source.

Pot Kettle Black... you do the same and eat near 2xBW... Don't start until you make the change and take your own advice... You can't tell others what you can't do yourself.. Just sayin'

Just wondering about the carbs and cals on off days as ive heard different things sooo many times and not sure what to believe... I am currently eating ~100 cals less on the day I'm not lifting (but still do HIIT on treadmill)... and cutting down on the carbs and adding more fat as you said... But is this really necessary? I dont mind cutting the cals but not sure if this is really the right approach, since you would use the energy for your workout the next day anyway, wouldnt you?

Drop the HIIT and do this:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/cardio-and-mass-gains.html

For cals on off days, drop 25g carbs like you do, and add 25g on workout days.. thats fine.. Many ways to skin the cat.

Dont overthink things or do crazy things.. do what you do, and asses how the scale/mirror treat you. Most important monitor your energy/strength/mood that is the biggest indication on how the diet suits you and your training.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/does-the-diet-determine-the-training-or-the-training-determine-the-diet.html

Whats your training split and how much cardio? Do no more than 2-3x a week LISS for 20-30 minutes, and lift 3-4x a week max.. Time to eat and grow.. you grow OUT of the gym not in the gym.

ian0789

01-04-2011, 04:31 PM

I have been doing 3k on off days and 3300 on training days. I find that works best and its keeping me gaining at a slow but solid rate.

But yea dont over think things =)

dustinh6719

01-04-2011, 05:27 PM

I have been doing 3k on off days and 3300 on training days. I find that works best and its keeping me gaining at a slow but solid rate.

But yea dont over think things =)

Jealous. :p

Like others are saying, Keep. It. Simple. Personally I don't change a thing on off days, but If you prefer to drop cals, then do it.

ian0789

01-04-2011, 05:43 PM

Jealous. :p

Like others are saying, Keep. It. Simple. Personally I don't change a thing on off days, but If you prefer to drop cals, then do it.

I was staying the same at 3k every day >_< Heck I even dipped down a pound at one point before I jumped it up 0.o

bijsanei

01-04-2011, 10:39 PM

Tuesday January 4, 2011

Workout: Shoulders/Core
[Warm-ups not included]
Italics = Superset

Seated DB Press: 45'sx10x2, 50x6 (w/ spot) PR DB Side crunches: 70lbs x12(each side)x3
Upward BB Row: 70x10x3Cable Crunches (Pulley): 140x20x3
Standing BB Military Press (Smith): 135x10x2, 145x8PR Leg raises: 20x3
BB Shrugs (Smith): 225x12x3 Lateral DB Front raises: 30'sx10x3
Plank: 60 secondsx3

25 min brisk uphill walk

Post-cardio (Dropsets):
Seated Shoulder Press (machine): 110x8,80x8,60x8,40x8,30x10
Ab Crunch (machine):60x10(right oblique)x10(left oblique)x10(core)

Food:

Not pictured: Peanut butter omelet, xtend intra-workout, vitastack

Strawberry Myofusion proats, egg whites… Looks kinda weird, but its quick, easy, and is a lotta food for ~450 cals :)
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8485/imageaao.jpg

Greek yogurt, cooked oats, XF cinnaroll, Apple cinnamon Cheerios PWO
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2576/imagegxiu.jpg

Garlic and herb turkey scalloppini, sweet potato wedges, cheesy broccoli
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7278/imagebxa.jpg

Pre-bed: Chocolate PB Cup 'Trutein' Cottage cheese with PB&Co White chocolate wonderful, Lindt dark chocolate, crunchy PB cookies
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/143/imagedjb.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/1456/imagetzr.jpg

Macros: 2626 calories [224g Carb/256g Protein/78g Fat]

Summary:

Today was a killer workout in the gym! Loving core days as of late, and supersets are keeping my intensity up and making my workouts seem a lot shorter :)… was also happy about my DB press PR as I've been creeping up the 50's for a couple weeks now.
Food stayed pretty similar to yesterday as you can see. This is because, lately, after having started my break from school and work (laid off seasonal at costco), some days have become pretty routine, which i don't mind.
Mentally, I'm kinda excited to get back to college next week and the new challenges that will bring… Also looking forward to making more progress in the gym starting thursday (after my rest/cardio day tomorrow) :D

Thanks again for tuning in, till then,

Bijan

bijsanei

01-04-2011, 10:50 PM

already subbed in this. Inspiring transformation mang, good muscle based by the looks of it as well, I looked like a stick after I starved myself last year lol. In for food porn and such.

How is the smooth operator in comparison to other smooth PB? +1 on the PB omelet I just had one 20 minutes ago. Chocolate Mini Wheats are legit.

Did the nutrition logs forum just get created today? I don't recall it being here yesterday
Welcome :) and thanks

It's nothing too special, just rrrreally smooth and kind of nice hint of sweetness.

Pot Kettle Black... you do the same and eat near 2xBW... Don't start until you make the change and take your own advice... You can't tell others what you can't do yourself.. Just sayin'

Drop the HIIT and do this:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/cardio-and-mass-gains.html

For cals on off days, drop 25g carbs like you do, and add 25g on workout days.. thats fine.. Many ways to skin the cat.

Dont overthink things or do crazy things.. do what you do, and asses how the scale/mirror treat you. Most important monitor your energy/strength/mood that is the biggest indication on how the diet suits you and your training.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/does-the-diet-determine-the-training-or-the-training-determine-the-diet.html

Whats your training split and how much cardio? Do no more than 2-3x a week LISS for 20-30 minutes, and lift 3-4x a week max.. Time to eat and grow.. you grow OUT of the gym not in the gym.
Thanks for the tips! And i do appreciate you taking the time to post in my log :)

I'm doing a 4 day split, Back/Biceps; Chest/Triceps/Little core; Legs; Shoulders/Core, with 20-25 min uphill walking after every session and 25 min of HIIT on the treadmill on non-lifting days. I have heard this in the past, but to be honest, with my schedule and the fact that I actually enjoy lifting, I dont find i'm overtraining and sure dont really feel as if I am

Jealous. :p

Like others are saying, Keep. It. Simple. Personally I don't change a thing on off days, but If you prefer to drop cals, then do it.

Thanks, will have to keep all this in mind... but next non-lifting day is tomorrow! eesh.. decisions, decisions :p

foodpr0n

01-05-2011, 12:33 AM

The Solution

01-05-2011, 04:28 AM

I'm doing a 4 day split, Back/Biceps; Chest/Triceps/Little core; Legs; Shoulders/Core, with 20-25 min uphill walking after every session and 25 min of HIIT on the treadmill on non-lifting days. I have heard this in the past, but to be honest, with my schedule and the fact that I actually enjoy lifting, I dont find i'm overtraining and sure dont really feel as if I am

Cardio Everyday, 3x HIIT and 4x LISS while trying to mass up on 2600 calories. Man.. that is running yourslef into the ground and its not aiding at all in leg recovery or helping to add size, you need to read my post again and change this up at all. Drop the HIIT and do 2-3 LISS sessions .. Take 1 complete off day a week and do LISS the other 3 days tops.. Believe me.. your gains will explode and your legs will thank me later. I have been there done this and walked your path before..

To echo Bob though. F the hiit. Seriously....and a better routine is needed imo.
Read this by Lyle;
Muscle Gain Mistakes (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/muscle-gain-mistakes.html)...Talks about eating, cardio and weight training.

In particular also here is another;
Training Frequency for Mass Gains (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/training-frequency-for-mass-gains.html)

^only trying to help mate. But, if you're happy doing what you do, don't let anyone stop your progress. Just what you are doing at the moment is prob not 'optimal' for a natural trainee.

Same goes for protein if you enjoy eating those higher protein foods! But, just don't be scared of dem carbzz :)

^^^ See what I am saying... I wont BS you bro. I would do 200g Pro/300g CHO/ Rest Fat
Just me and my 2 cents, but carbs are more protein sparing than protein especially when in a surplus, while in a deficit a different story.

bijsanei

01-05-2011, 07:56 AM

Goddamn I love these nutrition journals..so many ideas to get!

Got my strawberries and creme myo today. Stuff is goooood man, didn't think to use it in proats though, could DEF be an option though. I think the myo+yogurt+lucky charms would be a great combo. Juust not sure how it'd be in proats, but I'll give it a shot!

On that note, you reccomend using greek yogurt in the proats eh? Do you eat yours hot? I typically like to heat mine up again after adding mix ins so I would hate for it to curdle. But to me, that bowl of oats,yogurt and cereal looks awesome!
Can tell your still afraid of da carbz though ;) You wrote 'PWO'.

Haha, some of my pre-bed meals have like 150g carbs :cool:

To echo Bob though. F the hiit. Seriously....and a better routine is needed imo.
Read this by Lyle;
Muscle Gain Mistakes (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/muscle-gain-mistakes.html)...Talks about eating, cardio and weight training.

In particular also here is another;
Training Frequency for Mass Gains (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/training-frequency-for-mass-gains.html)

^only trying to help mate. But, if you're happy doing what you do, don't let anyone stop your progress. Just what you are doing at the moment is prob not 'optimal' for a natural trainee.

Same goes for protein if you enjoy eating those higher protein foods! But, just don't be scared of dem carbzz :)

If you love the taste and sweetness of anything strawberry, you'll love strawberry myo :)... very strong strawberry flavor and goes well with pretty much anything.

I actually throw the yogurt/oats mixture in the freezer for 20 min before adding the cereal, thickens it up a bit...and I rather my cereal cold then warm ;)

As for training advice, see below>>>

Cardio Everyday, 3x HIIT and 4x LISS while trying to mass up on 2600 calories. Man.. that is running yourslef into the ground and its not aiding at all in leg recovery or helping to add size, you need to read my post again and change this up at all. Drop the HIIT and do 2-3 LISS sessions .. Take 1 complete off day a week and do LISS the other 3 days tops.. Believe me.. your gains will explode and your legs will thank me later. I have been there done this and walked your path before..

^^^ See what I am saying... I wont BS you bro. I would do 200g Pro/300g CHO/ Rest Fat
Just me and my 2 cents, but carbs are more protein sparing than protein especially when in a surplus, while in a deficit a different story.

I don't mind doing the moderate cardio after my weight lift sessions, I actually kind of enjoy it?.. Kinda cools me down after my high intensity workout :p. As for the HIIT on off days, it would only end up being once or twice a week I would be doing it, and to be honest, I like it because its quick, or at least feels quick because of the intervals, and actually gets me really pumped up. After reading Lyle's article you linked, he says it really depends on the individual and 3-5x a week at moderate intensity is a minimum...so, as I will put more thought into it and figure out how to tweak me cardio on that non-lifting day, I will also have to convince myself to take a day of complete rest (which has been hard for me in the past :()

I hope you guys aren't taking my responses the wrong way, I love (no homo;)) and very much appreciate all the advice and input you gentlemen are providing, trust me! It's just up to me now to get some stuff straightened out on my end and realize I shouldnt be scared of weight gain, dem carbzzz, and rest!

Thanks again, really,

Bijan

dustinh6719

01-05-2011, 09:52 AM

I will also have to convince myself to take a day of complete rest (which has been hard for me in the past :()

So your saying as of now you don't have a complete rest day?

bijsanei

01-05-2011, 02:17 PM

So your saying as of now you don't have a complete rest day?

As of lately, no, not very often. Before jumping to any conclusions about overtraining, however, just know that on my non-lifting days when I do perform moderate cardio or 20 min of HIIT, the remainder of the day is very easy going and sedentary, which is why I feel as if I'm not overtraining. Its actually the opposite, after doing my short session on my non-lifting day, I actually feel awesome, pumped and ready to face the day :D... not to mention ready to crack some PR's the next workout ;)

ian0789

01-05-2011, 03:08 PM

The Solution

01-05-2011, 06:04 PM

I don't mind doing the moderate cardio after my weight lift sessions, I actually kind of enjoy it?.. Kinda cools me down after my high intensity workout :p. As for the HIIT on off days, it would only end up being once or twice a week I would be doing it, and to be honest, I like it because its quick, or at least feels quick because of the intervals, and actually gets me really pumped up. After reading Lyle's article you linked, he says it really depends on the individual and 3-5x a week at moderate intensity is a minimum...so, as I will put more thought into it and figure out how to tweak me cardio on that non-lifting day, I will also have to convince myself to take a day of complete rest (which has been hard for me in the past :()

I hope you guys aren't taking my responses the wrong way, I love (no homo;)) and very much appreciate all the advice and input you gentlemen are providing, trust me! It's just up to me now to get some stuff straightened out on my end and realize I shouldnt be scared of weight gain, dem carbzzz, and rest!

Thanks again, really,

Bijan

Listen, SURE you dont MIND it because you are so used to overtraining, undereating, and doing more than necessary, but the thing you do not understand is how much is necessary? Ever venture into the contest prep section? look at individuals who go through prep and see how much cardio they do? Look at Tommy Jeffers, Layne Norton, Eric Helms, Alberto Nunez, I could go on and on and on. What you are doing now is what they did the final weeks of their prep on lower calories and in stage condition. Look I am not trying to be harsh, but you are so in your own world with this is what suits me, i know this is working etc etc.. No its not. You need to really learn what is enough and what is too much, and righ tnow HIIT 3x a week is not necessary, not even 1x a week of HIIT is necessary..

Let me REPHRASE Lyle because you seem to interpret it wrong:
"A minimum of three sessions per week (up to perhaps a maximum of 5) of reasonable duration (20-30 minutes minimum up to perhaps 40 minutes maximum) at a low to moderate intensity (70% of maximum heart rate or less) should achieve the benefits I talked about above without causing any of the problems that I also discussed."

Right now your goal is getting healthy, getting calories back, and getting some weight on you. You are not in prep, you are not 3 weeks out, nor will you be getting ready for a show anytime soon. You really need to loosen up, and when you do your will make your best gains, throwing in a cheat meal, taking advice from those who have walked the walk and been in your shoes (Food, Ian, Big Sleep, Myself etc etc) Look at Ryan's Log, Look at Scooters Log, Look at Elliot's log.. Look at what they were doing ( very similar to your condition with cardio and eating, and now look at where they are) quite amazing how they almost doubled their intake, dropped nearly all their cardio, and are barley seeing the scale move.

Again, Take it for what its worth, the research is there, the proof is there through individuals on here.. But the only thing missing is your METNAL decision. You need to flip the switch, do what is right, and lower the cardio and up the cals when weigh gain/strength gain stall.

As stated again, 3 sessions a week max of 20-30 minutes LISS is all you need, over the weeks you should start cutting down and get that 1 day off for complete rest. Who cares if you do nothing all day Remember this " THe body grows outside of the gym not in the gym" the only thing you do in the gym is breakdown muscle when you lift, you dont gain muscle by lifting, you gain muscle by fueling the body with adequate calories, getting adequate sleep, rest, and recovery.

Take it for what its worth.. I am not going to sit here and BS you.

bijsanei

01-05-2011, 06:58 PM

1st off:
Loving the eats man and nice to see you keep your workouts to the point.

2nd:
(Take nothing to heart but keep in mind)
Drop the smith machine. Every workout you use that dumb thing with you are not putting your self to the full strength you could be using! I used that thing for so long and right after I stopped using ANY machines other then leg curls / extensions / angled press and one or two cable lifts my body turned into a beast.

Form and range of motion is one of the best things in any lift. Who cares if you can stack the weight up. Doing the lift on the smith vs doing it with BB, DB or w/e it might be will be night and day.

Also take a rest day and not a "Well I didnt do much so its cool I will do some light cardio" Full rest days are the best. Again I trained and trained and didnt eat what I needed to. I turned the wheels for months. Right after I gave in and started to feel out how my body felt and not just pushed it / ignored all the signs that I need to take a day or so off my gains went from **** to great.

I train 4x days a week. Sunday I do NOTHING I normally sit around my house and watch all my shows I missed out on or hang around with some friends. I hated it at 1st and learned soon that it was well needed. Tuesday and Thursday Are again 2 more off days. I run around like a tard at work for 8hrs on my feet. I would never even think to want to do cardio as I know I am burning calories like a mad man. And when I get off of work I make it a point to sit my ass down and chill out.

If you want to keep your cardio up that much then i strongly suggest you up your calories a bit more to compensate for turning the wheels

If you really push your self and are lifting to your max then you need rest days. They are 100% a must to have in growing. If if you are just doing light cardio its still taking a toll on your body from recovering.

~Ian~

Listen, SURE you dont MIND it because you are so used to overtraining, undereating, and doing more than necessary, but the thing you do not understand is how much is necessary? Ever venture into the contest prep section? look at individuals who go through prep and see how much cardio they do? Look at Tommy Jeffers, Layne Norton, Eric Helms, Alberto Nunez, I could go on and on and on. What you are doing now is what they did the final weeks of their prep on lower calories and in stage condition. Look I am not trying to be harsh, but you are so in your own world with this is what suits me, i know this is working etc etc.. No its not. You need to really learn what is enough and what is too much, and righ tnow HIIT 3x a week is not necessary, not even 1x a week of HIIT is necessary..

Let me REPHRASE Lyle because you seem to interpret it wrong:
"A minimum of three sessions per week (up to perhaps a maximum of 5) of reasonable duration (20-30 minutes minimum up to perhaps 40 minutes maximum) at a low to moderate intensity (70% of maximum heart rate or less) should achieve the benefits I talked about above without causing any of the problems that I also discussed."

Right now your goal is getting healthy, getting calories back, and getting some weight on you. You are not in prep, you are not 3 weeks out, nor will you be getting ready for a show anytime soon. You really need to loosen up, and when you do your will make your best gains, throwing in a cheat meal, taking advice from those who have walked the walk and been in your shoes (Food, Ian, Big Sleep, Myself etc etc) Look at Ryan's Log, Look at Scooters Log, Look at Elliot's log.. Look at what they were doing ( very similar to your condition with cardio and eating, and now look at where they are) quite amazing how they almost doubled their intake, dropped nearly all their cardio, and are barley seeing the scale move.

Again, Take it for what its worth, the research is there, the proof is there through individuals on here.. But the only thing missing is your METNAL decision. You need to flip the switch, do what is right, and lower the cardio and up the cals when weigh gain/strength gain stall.

As stated again, 3 sessions a week max of 20-30 minutes LISS is all you need, over the weeks you should start cutting down and get that 1 day off for complete rest. Who cares if you do nothing all day Remember this " THe body grows outside of the gym not in the gym" the only thing you do in the gym is breakdown muscle when you lift, you dont gain muscle by lifting, you gain muscle by fueling the body with adequate calories, getting adequate sleep, rest, and recovery.

Take it for what its worth.. I am not going to sit here and BS you.

I realize what you guys are saying regarding overtraining and cardio. Really, I do. I assume you also realize, since you have "been in my shoes", that convincing myself to make this change is not the easiest thing in the world to do :p. That is why I just want you to know I dont mean any disrespect in my responses to your feedback.

On that note, I am going to try, starting tomorrow, to cut back on cardio. Tomorrow my 4-day split begins once again, so my plan for the next week or so is ~20 min of LISS after weights, and then a full day of complete rest in between. That means no HIIT at all, and no days of strictly cardio... This might not seem like a huge change, but for me it will be, and I think its a step in the right direction, sound good?

As for the scale, I just bumped my cals up as of Monday, so I wasnt planning on weighing in again until 2 weeks from then, should I weigh in this upcoming Monday instead? Just for the record, the past couple weeks prior to my last weigh in did actually show a slight increase in weight... but if my next weigh in falls shy, I will not have a problem bumping up the intake again :D

Once again, to you two, and all who are taking time out of their lives to type even a single word in my thread, thanks :)... Glad you're all in on this... Now lets get big :cool:;)

PS Stay tuned for tonights food pr0nz as i tried my hand at something for the first time and it actually came out much better than expected for dinner, just finished smashing it down now as a matter of fact :)

Till then,

Bijan

foodpr0n

01-05-2011, 07:12 PM

dustinh6719

01-05-2011, 07:14 PM

On that note, I am going to try, starting tomorrow, to cut back on cardio. Tomorrow my 4-day split begins once again, so my plan for the next week or so is ~20 min of LISS after weights, and then a full day of complete rest in between. That means no HIIT at all, and no days of strictly cardio... This might not seem like a huge change, but for me it will be, and I think its a step in the right direction, sound good?

Exactly what I do. I think. Looks good to me. I lift M,T,T,F + 15 mins PWO LISS. 3 complete rest days for me. I've noticed a huge difference in recovery, energy, and all lifts are going up. I know it's hard but the sooner you step up and make the changes, the easier it is on down the road. Also I know its tough to take advice from someone like me (stats: 140) but I've been there as well. I was 129 lbs back in the summer when I was overexcercising/undereating.

As for the scale, I just bumped my cals up as of Monday, so I wasnt planning on weighing in again until 2 weeks from then, should I weigh in this upcoming Monday instead? Just for the record, the past couple weeks prior to my last weigh in did actually show a slight increase in weight... but if my next weigh in falls shy, I will not have a problem bumping up the intake again :D

Always allow ~2 weeks to assess calorie intake.

:cool:

JValjean724

01-05-2011, 07:28 PM

I'm kind of on the outide looking in on this subject, as I've only ever forced myself to do planned cardio for a period of one month in my life before as I completely despise it and never once had any sort of postive experience with it as others have reported.

I do realize though that after all that weight loss in your mind you probably associate being lean with doing lots of cardio (unless you did that much when you were overweight) and dropping it would makes you feel like your going to immediatly jump back to what you were which obviously isn't the case.

Cardio is completely unnecessary even if you were trying to lose weight (as some evidence during my worst stints with the ED when I was down to 116 pounds I got there without any formal cardio) so you could try and dissociate the two (leaness and cardio) by slowly weaning off of it to prove to yourself that you don't need it. It's just like proving to yourself you can eat things like ice cream and cereal without immediately getting fat overnight

bijsanei

01-05-2011, 10:22 PM

Wednesday January 5, 2011

Workout: HIIT on Treadmill (for what seems to be the last time for a while ;))

5 min stretching/light walk (warm-up)
13 intervals of 30 second sprints followed by 1 min cooldowns
10 min brisk uphill walk/cooldown

Food:

Not pictured: Peanut butter omelet, crunchy PB cookies (same as yesterday), xtend intra-workout

XF choc PB proats and egg white concoction
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6552/imagetoi.jpg

Three Pitas: 2 with mozzarella, turkey and hot cappicollo, 1 with a runny egg, mozzarella, and cappicollo (needed the $$$ shot IMO)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1081/imagecew.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7356/imagetth.jpg

Homemade Sushi! First time doing this, came out pretty great if I say so myself :cool:.. One roll was lobster, cream cheese, avocado, zucchini and the other was smoked salmon, avocado, cream cheese, zucchini.. Along with leftover "ingredients" on the side
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2813/imageew.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3610/imagessh.jpg

Pre-bed: Chocolate PB Cup Cottage cheese with PB&Co Dark chocolate dreams Lindt dark chocolate
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7292/imageqbs.jpg

Macros: 2551 calories [153g Carb/250g Protein/104g Fat]

Summary:

Not much went on today, just another day mostly spent at home resting on my break from college and work.. Kinda nice though, as it also gave me a bunch of time to think about stuff and chill out on the couch.. Oh, AND make some sushi! I must say, I impressed myself with that one as they actually came out amazing and will be doing that again soon, with some different fillings for suuure

Mentally, if you didn't notice in my previous posts of today, I have decided (with the help of some you) to make a slight change in my routine, making today my last "rest" day consisting of cardio! Looking forward to seeing how this will effect my mentality, energy, workouts, and scale in the coming days/weeks! On that note, really looking forward to hitting the gym hard tomorrow with my upper/pull day (love the huge pump (no homo) and vascularity I see on these days… good day for progress pics maybe?)

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

bijsanei

01-05-2011, 10:27 PM

^Trust me brah.... been there before:cool:

Good news is, you know what's gotta happen, and it will happen with time. Plus, you've got all of us behind you to get you through dude. Come out of the darkside so to speak:D

Hooray for no HIIT! Hooray for a damn off day.

To be honest, I'd rather see you get a routine down pact where you hit every body part once every 3-5 days (upper/lower ... push/pull etc) working out 4x/week is fine too AND have at least 1 rest day before you got hiit sorted (although that needed to happen).

But glad, very glad, you decided to rid the HIIT.

It's a good feeling knowing that I'm moving in the right direction and have people behind me, to push me :)... Thanks a lot dude!

:cool:

Sweet, thanks... we shall see what happens ;)

I'm kind of on the outide looking in on this subject, as I've only ever forced myself to do planned cardio for a period of one month in my life before as I completely despise it and never once had any sort of postive experience with it as others have reported.

I do realize though that after all that weight loss in your mind you probably associate being lean with doing lots of cardio (unless you did that much when you were overweight) and dropping it would makes you feel like your going to immediatly jump back to what you were which obviously isn't the case.

Cardio is completely unnecessary even if you were trying to lose weight (as some evidence during my worst stints with the ED when I was down to 116 pounds I got there without any formal cardio) so you could try and dissociate the two (leaness and cardio) by slowly weaning off of it to prove to yourself that you don't need it. It's just like proving to yourself you can eat things like ice cream and cereal without immediately getting fat overnight

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one dude... I think the association is my problem as well as the fact that I've been associating the two for so long, and cutting has been my routine for sooo long, that its all I really know and all that has really worked for me at all. But, as you can hopefully tell, I want to make a change, so thats the plan :)

PS Ice cream and cereal FTW :D

ian0789

01-06-2011, 02:31 AM

themoose333

01-06-2011, 08:22 AM

Looks good man! Homemade sushi is awesome, looks like you used same stuff as me so I'm sure it tasted pretty good....where's the WASABI!?!?!

JValjean724

01-06-2011, 08:39 AM

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one dude... I think the association is my problem as well as the fact that I've been associating the two for so long, and cutting has been my routine for sooo long, that its all I really know and all that has really worked for me at all. But, as you can hopefully tell, I want to make a change, so thats the plan :)

PS Ice cream and cereal FTW :D

Sounds good....I'll be happy to follow along and see the changes myself ;)

Oh and you know what would have made the sushi even better? Rice! Technically its not even sushi without the rice and it would have helped you up dem carbs

bijsanei

01-06-2011, 09:13 AM

WTF! I need to make my own sushi :/ of find a women that can do it for me! Eats are savage!

Yea man trust me, its hard to have people storm in and tell you all this junk but once you break the habit and give in you look back at think.... Wow I was so thick headed :/ Its good to see you are going back to a 4day. I do one my self and love it, Chest/Bi-Back-Shoulders/Tri-Leg's Giving my self 2 pure days to just focus on my large groups was the best thing I did for my body.

And yea I used to go all out and do heavy sweating my ass off cardio after every workout and now I do a light 7min warm up and a 15-18min very light Elliptical setting 3-4days. Its more to get the blood flowing and cool down. And the truth is =) my body fat didn't jump up from dropping all the un-needed cardio! I think it does server a purpose and has room in every ones workout but shouldn't be used as a tool like lifting when coming from past history of ED.

As for scale, meh its all up to you. I have been doing weigh ins every morning after a leak. I have been tracking my morning weight to make sure I am not FALLING BACK on gains and pushing a head. If you can get your self in that mind set then **** weigh your self when ever you want. Just dont stress if you see jumps :)

I agree with everything you say brah, thanks.. and ya i can tell you know where I'm coming from because you know exactly what I'm thinking :p (no homo) lol..As for the scale, i think im just gonna wait the 2 weeks for now.. hopefully a jump doesnt scare me, we shall see... I'm ready :)

Looks good man! Homemade sushi is awesome, looks like you used same stuff as me so I'm sure it tasted pretty good....where's the WASABI!?!?!

I actually kicked myself when I got home and starting rolling because I forgot the wasabi!! No joke.. But I did have some sriracha on hand ;) which i think i actually prefer anyhow :p

Sounds good....I'll be happy to follow along and see the changes myself ;)

Oh and you know what would have made the sushi even better? Rice! Technically its not even sushi without the rice and it would have helped you up dem carbs

Glad to have ya dude :D

As for the rice, I didnt think I would have the patience to make it and use it, plus didnt have any good white rice on hand :(... But now that I know what im doing, im sooo ready to do it again and experiment..

The Big Sleep

01-06-2011, 12:27 PM

The XF Proat/egg concoction actually looks really good, how'd you whip that bad boy up? Glad to see you implemented the rest day as well, dont take those for granted :)

bijsanei

01-06-2011, 02:04 PM

The XF Proat/egg concoction actually looks really good, how'd you whip that bad boy up? Glad to see you implemented the rest day as well, dont take those for granted :)

Easy! Just cook your oats how you want... then combine powder, eggs, and oats and throw it all in the microwave to desired "cookedness" :)

Anyway, Just got outta the gym, feelin pumped up! Decided to take some progress pics after my back/bi workout:

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7424/photoon20110106at16123.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7388/photoon20110106at16124.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2086/photoon20110106at1613.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/692/imageymf.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/709/imageie.jpg
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9538/imagekxu.jpg

How do they look? PS sorry for weird lighting in some..

Stay tuned for tonight's routine post! Till then,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-06-2011, 02:56 PM

You got some diesel arms man.
If you have the dedication to drop that kinda weight, imagine what you can do when the fun starts.

foodpr0n

01-06-2011, 04:26 PM

Lean as balllzz man! Nice.

The Big Sleep

01-06-2011, 04:34 PM

Dude your transformation thus far is amazing! Mad props for how far you've come, time to grow bud :)

ian0789

01-06-2011, 04:40 PM

Ha! I just got home and Big you must have been reading my mind =P was going to ask the same thing.

Yea dude looking good, once you put on some weight and fill out with some LBM you are going to be a beast!

bijsanei

01-06-2011, 10:42 PM

You got some diesel arms man.
If you have the dedication to drop that kinda weight, imagine what you can do when the fun starts.

Diesel is a good characteristic for ones arms i'm guessing? :p lol

Let the fun begin :)

Lean as balllzz man! Nice.

Thanks dude...cant say ive heard that many times in my life.

feelsgoodman

Dude your transformation thus far is amazing! Mad props for how far you've come, time to grow bud :)

Dont know how much I appreciate that brah :)

Ha! I just got home and Big you must have been reading my mind =P was going to ask the same thing.

Yea dude looking good, once you put on some weight and fill out with some LBM you are going to be a beast!

Sorry, what were you gonna ask? :s..

Diggin that idea :D

bijsanei

01-06-2011, 10:44 PM

Thursday January 6, 2011

Workout: Pull (Back/biceps)
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Wide-grip Lat Pulldown: 150x10, 155x10, 160x9 PR
Seated close-grip cable row: 150x10, 155x10, 160x9 PR
Preacher curl with EZ-Bar: Bar+50lbs x12x3 DB Wrist curls: 35x10(each arm)x3
Close inside-grip Lat pulldown: 150x10, 155x10, 160x10 PR
Bent over BB row (palms up): 135x10, 145x10x2 Rep PR Cable Drag curls: 40 (each arm)x12x3
Lower back raises on half chair: BW+45x15x3 DB Hammer curls: 25'sx10x3

Brisk uphill walk: 25 min (including cooldown/stretching)

Post-cardio: Dropset of close grip chin-ups: BWx10 PR BW-20x10, BW-40x10, BW-60x10

Food:

Not pictured: Peanut butter omelet, crunchy PB cookies (same as yesterday), xtend intra-workout

Strawberry myo and oat pancakes
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9171/imageuse.jpg

Jamocha Shake 'Wheyology' Greek yogurt (tasted rrreally good, strong coffee flavor+smell), cooked oats, and cinnamon toast crunch PWO
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6774/imageiae.jpg

Thai Style Stir-fry with shrimp, jalapeno cheddar, spicy BBQ seasonings and sauce, and Franks.. Oh, and of course sweet potats on the side ;)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5048/imagehhy.jpg

Pre-bed: ON vanilla casein Cottage cheese with PB&Co White chocolate wonderful, Lindt dark chocolate
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1920/imageyr.jpg

Macros: 2627 calories [228g Carb/257g Protein/73g Fat]

Summary:

Nothing too special to report today… enjoyed my food today as it was another day where I wasn't rushed and had some time to prepare some good stuff :)..
Also another solid workout in the gym and I was really feeling it (hence the PR's :D).. saw some major vascularity today which i kinda impressed myself with and felt awesome during and PWO (i <3 pull days, can you tell!? :p)

As for my mental state, I think I can look in the mirror now and realize that I don't want to cut down… I want to put on some lean muscle and get big! I'm definitely excited to see where the next few weeks and months take me..

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-06-2011, 11:07 PM

Liking the mental state
and yes, deisel= good (where you from?)

bijsanei

01-06-2011, 11:52 PM

Liking the mental state
and yes, deisel= good (where you from?)

Thanks, and up north... Ontario, Canada :)

foodpr0n

01-07-2011, 03:34 PM

Are you putting the lindt and pb in the cc for pre-bed dude?

How much protein is in that thing? Looks like a decent serve of cc then the casein! (damn I love that stuff so much in vanilla)

Pancakes look awesome! Strawb myo is really a great flavour imo.

But dude....on a workout note.

WTF is with that volume? Holy bajeezuz.
Reccomended for a natural trainee to do 40-60 reps p/body part twice a week for optimal hypertophy.

Here you've done for back alone;
118 reps :cool:

Biceps (which get overlap from back work)
102 reps not including the recruitment they get from back work.

^:eek:

But of perhaps more relevance, outside of a small percentage of folks, I simply haven’t seen the majority of natural trainees grow optimally training in this fashion. Basically, it just doesn’t work for the majority in my experience (and in the experience of a lot of coaches I know). Sure, we can always look at the ‘big guys’ in the gym who are doing fine hitting everything once per week but the fact is that the majority of folks training that way aren’t usually growing well at all.

As well, for naturals, the lower frequency of training tends to lead people to do far too much volume at any given workout. As I mentioned above, there appears to be an optimal volume of training for each bodypart with both too little and too much volume being a problem. Naturals who do endless sets in a given workout (which is not only allowed but usually mandated by low frequency training) not only aren’t stimulating better growth, they end up cutting into their recovery with excessive volume.

READ IT; Training frequency for mass gains (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/training-frequency-for-mass-gains.html)

Look at most of the very successful natural bodybuilders around this site mate and see how they are training. Putting the basics to work.
-Frequency every 3-5 days per bodypart (generally some form of push/pull or upper/lower or chest/back+legs+shoulders arms off repeat)
-Reasonable volume per bodypart
-Focusing on progressive overload with the same form
-Eat
-Sleep
-Repeat.

FatherFlex (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130479443)
Quelly (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=119360441)
Blazed and BaFtub (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=127206373)
bwelch1985 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129469443)

determined4000

01-07-2011, 04:07 PM

JValjean724

01-07-2011, 04:12 PM

"you must spread some reputation around before giving it to foodpron again"

Mine says that perpetually :cool:

determined4000

01-07-2011, 04:16 PM

Mine says that perpetually :cool:

same when I go to hit you up

foodpr0n

01-07-2011, 04:17 PM

oh and ahh here alan aragon chiming in on the subject;

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=606962753#post606962753

bijsanei

01-07-2011, 04:43 PM

Are you putting the lindt and pb in the cc for pre-bed dude?

How much protein is in that thing? Looks like a decent serve of cc then the casein! (damn I love that stuff so much in vanilla)

Pancakes look awesome! Strawb myo is really a great flavour imo.

But dude....on a workout note.

WTF is with that volume? Holy bajeezuz.
Reccomended for a natural trainee to do 40-60 reps p/body part twice a week for optimal hypertophy.

Here you've done for back alone;
118 reps :cool:

Biceps (which get overlap from back work)
102 reps not including the recruitment they get from back work.

^:eek:

READ IT; Training frequency for mass gains (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/training-frequency-for-mass-gains.html)

Look at most of the very successful natural bodybuilders around this site mate and see how they are training. Putting the basics to work.
-Frequency every 3-5 days per bodypart (generally some form of push/pull or upper/lower or chest/back+legs+shoulders arms off repeat)
-Reasonable volume per bodypart
-Focusing on progressive overload with the same form
-Eat
-Sleep
-Repeat.

FatherFlex (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=130479443)
Quelly (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=119360441)
Blazed and BaFtub (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=127206373)
bwelch1985 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129469443)

I usually mix most of it in, but sometimes even just eat it on its own.. good either way IMO

Usually about 1.5 cups of cc and 3/4 scoop of casein, so decent amount of protein I'm sure :p.. Agreed on the strawberry myo and on casein vanilla! Delicious! I have on chocolate casein on the way...cant wait to try it either.. Any other flavours you would recommend??

Thanks! :) Today's were even better ;)

As for the workouts, I was unaware of these articles and really appreciate you bringing them to my attention. Thanks for lookin out brah :D.. As for the routine and workouts themselves, I usually get each working set to a comfortable 10 reps each with ease and very good form, then I bump up weight the next session and reps go down, then repeat... Its been working for me nicely so far as I only do workout that body part once a week (depending on how my schedule is for the week).. For example, I wont be hitting back again until early-to-mid next week..

I really do like the high-intensity and tempo, as well as the variety of exercises that I'm doing now, and feel awesome during and after every workout (I'm sure the xtend and Pre-WO help with that :p) but I am definitely going to look into some changes to my routine as I like switching it up pretty often

bijsanei

01-07-2011, 10:27 PM

Friday January 7, 2011

Workout: Push (Chest/triceps) + Light Core
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Incline BB Bench Press (Smith): 195x10x3 Rep PR DB Side Crunches: 70'sx12x3
Incline DB Fly's: 40'sx10x3 Rep PR Rotating Sit-up cycle: 20x3
DB Standing Skullcrush: 50x10x3 Rep PR
Hammer Strength Decline Press: 65x10x2, 70x10 Rep PR
Tricep Dips: BW+35x10x3 Rep PR Leg Raises (Ab Chair): 20x3
Decline Cable Fly's: 50x10x3 Tricep cable Pulldown: 50x12x3

Brisk uphill walk: 25 min (including cooldown/stretching)

Post-cardio: Dropset of Hammer Strength Flat Bench: 165x8, 135x8, 105x8, 75x8, 45x10

Food:

Not pictured: Peanut butter omelet, peanut hazelnut butter (straight outta the jar :)), crunchy PB cookies (same as yesterday), xtend intra-workout

XF Choc PB cup and oat pancakes
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Choc PB 'Iso-ology' Greek yogurt, cooked oats, and Reese's Puffs PWO
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Thai Style Stir-fry with shrimp, spicy BBQ seasonings/sauce, and Franks.. Sweet potats on the side
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3732/imagetj.jpg

Pre-bed: ON vanilla casein Cottage cheese with PB&Co Mighty maple, Lindt dark chocolate
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/1014/imageff.jpg

Macros: 2626 calories [227g Carb/252g Protein/76g Fat]

Summary:

Nothing too special to report today… Pancakes turned out awesome this morning..i find they work better with XF..? Other than that, food stayed pretty much the same as yesterday (sorry for that), just that this was easiest for me today as it all kind of felt routine, but i still enjoyed it :) However, I am going to try and change things up once and a while as best I can ;)

Workout today was pretty stellar, chest was feeling massive by the end of it and triceps were ready to explode. Feltgoodman. Tried hitting all my rep PR's today, which i pretty much succeeded in doing, with the plan to bump up weights next push day!

As for my mental state, I find that I'm worrying less and less about the things that I'm eating during the day. This is good and bad, IMO. It's good because I feel free enough to fit anything I want in my macros and eat pretty freely, but at the same time its bad because I find myself slipping into too much of a routine and doing the same meals pretty much everyday..due to the fact I may be scared to vary whats been fitting in nicely and what I still feel is "good for me".. Hope to open it up and make some changes within the next little while :)

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-07-2011, 10:50 PM

bijsanei

01-07-2011, 11:03 PM

The Big Sleep

01-07-2011, 11:18 PM

determined4000

01-07-2011, 11:30 PM

Breakfasts: proats, egg + cheese + veggie omelet, cereal w/ whey
lunch/dinner: stir fry's , sandwich w/ lean meat,veggies (peppers and onions), cheese
burgers w/ lean ground, homemade pizza, stuffed peppers (meat, beans, rice, canned tomatoes, chili powder), soup/chili (cold in canada)
snacks: CC with PB/fruit, protein pudding, nuts, granola

The Solution

01-08-2011, 03:26 AM

Not saying you shouldnt go for a variety but eating a routine diet isnt all bad. It makes things easy and if you like what yo are eating, who cares?
If you want to make things routine, just have a list of things you can exchange out for one another within reason.
I dont know if you just really like using powder (my case sometimes) or are doing it for $, but how about some ore meat/eggs.

Breakfasts: proats, egg + cheese + veggie omelet, cereal w/ whey
lunch/dinner: stir fry's , sandwich w/ lean meat,veggies (peppers and onions), cheese
burgers w/ lean ground, homemade pizza, stuffed peppers (meat, beans, rice, canned tomatoes, chili powder), soup/chili (cold in canada)
snacks: CC with PB/fruit, protein pudding, nuts, granola

Don't give suggestions when you yourself cannot do the same, and tell him to lower his protein intake when you yourself eat the same amount at 98 lbs :rolleyes: Pot Kettle Black until you make the changes yourself D.

Listen to Food on the workout volume as Big said.. I also linked you to that article about lowering the volume on your workouts + Cardio.. Your not doing yourself anygood, and your body is so use to the amount that your CNS is constantly taking a beating, Your a natural.. you can't deal with excessive volume especially since you are not an advanced lifter say someone like Layne Norton who has a good 10+ serious years under his belt. People who try to do his split that are our age (around 20) and have only lifted 2-3 years are only fooling themselves with the amount of volume/frequency when they would make 100x better gains lifting 3-4x a week a basic split of hitting each bodypart every 5-8 days and stimulating the muscle two times per week for optimal natural gains as explained on bodyrecomposition.com

You got some reading to do, not from a magazine blown up with IFBB pros who use anabolics... but from trusted sources like Alan Aragon, Lyle, Martin.. Check the thread in the main nutrition section where John and Alan go head to head about training volume "the name of the thread talks about Epic Lyle McDonald Article" good info from Alan.... dont listen to John hes a 17 year old jay cutler stalker who has nothing better to do but worship him..

AlwaysTryin

01-08-2011, 03:39 AM

^^^ Exactly, D you really need to learn to take your own advice. You don't practice anything you preach

ian0789

01-08-2011, 04:44 AM

Also please!!!!!!!! For the love of food porn and massive servings of proats!!!!!!!! Drop them machines. I am telling you, you will love your workouts 500 times more. You think your chest felt good on that workout 0.o Do it up with some DB's or a BB, you will never go back.

Also 2x on the overlapping. I know you said you are going to change your workout soon but if you dont just a heads up. Doing something like Chest/Tri with that many sets is probably just turning the wheels. I found that when I did the SAME thing I would think I had such great workouts. Once I put Chest and Tri's on different days it was amazing the PR's and weight I was able to use on my Tri's

Also you must think like this. Your Tri's and Bi's are such small muscles. While I know people will always always always want bigger arms and focus on smashing the weight they think the way to do this is more reps / sets on those two groups. While in fact you are killing your Tri's on Chest and Shoulder days and for Bi's they are getting blown up on Back day (Probably take the most of a beating) and believe it or not Squats will help you with them bad boys to grow.

When ever I come up on a day that has Bi or Tri's in it I only to 2 different workouts for that group and keep the sets to no more then 3-4(4 only if I feel like I am going to hit a PR or I used my 1st set as a warm up)

You must always keep in mind that all you want to do is trigger growth in your muscles. Its like those dudes that I see day out and night in the gym that sit there and curl for days. There is NO point at all, you are doing more damage then good. Once noob gains are over with they plateau and stay the same with no progression at all.

Big, Solution and Food now whats up =) as do most people in there thread so just make sure to not brush anything they are saying off. I ignored most people and when I broke down and say fook it this isnt working taking there advice was the best thing I could do.

Heck I remember months ago when I started tracking calories the site told me that I would need 3-3300 calories to gain (Now while I wouldn't say everyone should listen to there calculators) I said yeah right no way I would ever eat that much. Id just get fat...... well I was wrong 0.o and again it took me months to figure this out and people telling me the same thing. It wasn't till Scooter and a few others helped me break my old ways and opened up my eyes.

bijsanei

01-08-2011, 08:41 AM

Definitely listen to Food about your workout volume, he knows what hes talking about. Take it from someone who has a similar past to yours and followed a very similar routine that you're doing RIGHT NOW...IT.WILL.BURN.YOU.OUT. Sure, you "feel" good and "pumped", etc etc, but that much volume really pulls back your ability to move sufficient weight to provide the basis for substantial muscle growth and fast-twitch fiber recruitment. Long story short, low(er) volume, high(er) intensity is where its at :cool:

Oh, and dont worry about a monotonous food routine so long as you are enjoying what you eat. If you were eating the same thing day in and day out and dreading it, then thats a different story.

Don't give suggestions when you yourself cannot do the same, and tell him to lower his protein intake when you yourself eat the same amount at 98 lbs :rolleyes: Pot Kettle Black until you make the changes yourself D.

Listen to Food on the workout volume as Big said.. I also linked you to that article about lowering the volume on your workouts + Cardio.. Your not doing yourself anygood, and your body is so use to the amount that your CNS is constantly taking a beating, Your a natural.. you can't deal with excessive volume especially since you are not an advanced lifter say someone like Layne Norton who has a good 10+ serious years under his belt. People who try to do his split that are our age (around 20) and have only lifted 2-3 years are only fooling themselves with the amount of volume/frequency when they would make 100x better gains lifting 3-4x a week a basic split of hitting each bodypart every 5-8 days and stimulating the muscle two times per week for optimal natural gains as explained on bodyrecomposition.com

You got some reading to do, not from a magazine blown up with IFBB pros who use anabolics... but from trusted sources like Alan Aragon, Lyle, Martin.. Check the thread in the main nutrition section where John and Alan go head to head about training volume "the name of the thread talks about Epic Lyle McDonald Article" good info from Alan.... dont listen to John hes a 17 year old jay cutler stalker who has nothing better to do but worship him..

Also please!!!!!!!! For the love of food porn and massive servings of proats!!!!!!!! Drop them machines. I am telling you, you will love your workouts 500 times more. You think your chest felt good on that workout 0.o Do it up with some DB's or a BB, you will never go back.

Also 2x on the overlapping. I know you said you are going to change your workout soon but if you dont just a heads up. Doing something like Chest/Tri with that many sets is probably just turning the wheels. I found that when I did the SAME thing I would think I had such great workouts. Once I put Chest and Tri's on different days it was amazing the PR's and weight I was able to use on my Tri's

Also you must think like this. Your Tri's and Bi's are such small muscles. While I know people will always always always want bigger arms and focus on smashing the weight they think the way to do this is more reps / sets on those two groups. While in fact you are killing your Tri's on Chest and Shoulder days and for Bi's they are getting blown up on Back day (Probably take the most of a beating) and believe it or not Squats will help you with them bad boys to grow.

When ever I come up on a day that has Bi or Tri's in it I only to 2 different workouts for that group and keep the sets to no more then 3-4(4 only if I feel like I am going to hit a PR or I used my 1st set as a warm up)

You must always keep in mind that all you want to do is trigger growth in your muscles. Its like those dudes that I see day out and night in the gym that sit there and curl for days. There is NO point at all, you are doing more damage then good. Once noob gains are over with they plateau and stay the same with no progression at all.

Big, Solution and Food now whats up =) as do most people in there thread so just make sure to not brush anything they are saying off. I ignored most people and when I broke down and say fook it this isnt working taking there advice was the best thing I could do.

Heck I remember months ago when I started tracking calories the site told me that I would need 3-3300 calories to gain (Now while I wouldn't say everyone should listen to there calculators) I said yeah right no way I would ever eat that much. Id just get fat...... well I was wrong 0.o and again it took me months to figure this out and people telling me the same thing. It wasn't till Scooter and a few others helped me break my old ways and opened up my eyes.

Once again, thanks for the advice gents :).. I'm learning so much about this kinda stuff that I never realized before since this workout schedule and level of intensity/volume have become so much of a routine to me.. I mean, I have seen growth with it and am hitting PR's almost every workout, so imagine what I could actually do with a solid routine. Right now I would figure I'm hitting major body parts 1-2x per week (every 3-5 days, and parts never get hit back to back) anyway so maybe its really just the volume during workouts that needs to be changed? Less sets/reps or less variation..?

This whole "routine" business, however, brings me back my point that things like this are hard for me to change, unfortunately. I'm sure you know the feeling. I know I would feel as if I were undertraining, even though the facts and all you wise BB'rs that i trust :( know the contrary.. Just another one of those things I have to get over I guess.. Starting with figuring out a new routine! And on another note, this lower workout frequency would mean lowering my cals/carbs on every rest day?! Cause that doesnt sound fun.. :p lol

PS Solution, I did lower my cardio :), thanks to you and the others..

ian0789

01-08-2011, 01:55 PM

Not at all on lower the calories. If anything Up these Macro's! Just because you are not overtraining your self doesnt mean you dont need the calories still. You wanna grow? If so then eat eat eat eat eat and yea and eat! If you are lifting and keeping the weight heavy to the point you are screaming and giving that last rep every god damn bit of energy you have left then you better not think twice that you need to eat to grow.

Food and rest are probably the most important and over looked aspect in lifting. Keep the weight heavy. Do a warm up set and then rip the **** out of the other sets. Like when I do T-Bar Rows I make sure to stack on the max amount of weight I know I can do and by the end of the last rep I am most likely dropping the weight like a meat head tool as my body cant take the strain of lowering the bar back down slow. If you lift like every day is your last workout and smash the weight then you are not going to want to sit there and be adding in all these different exercises.

My workout days look like this:
Chest/Bi:
DB Bench
DB Incline Bench
Fly's
----------
Alt DB Curl
Lying Cable Curl

Back/Core:
Sumo Dead
T-Bar Row
Lat Pull Down
---------------
Few crunch / oblique sets

Shoulder/Tri:
DB Shoulder Press
DB Shrug
Dealt Raises
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V Pull Down
Dips

Legs/Core:
BB Squats
Angled leg Press
Leg Extension
Leg Curl
Calf
------------------
Few Crunch/Oblique sets

Only really big massive day I have is legs. As its a big big big group. Doing this routine for me as been great. I keep it short/sweet and hit the weight hard.

bijsanei

01-08-2011, 10:26 PM

Not at all on lower the calories. If anything Up these Macro's! Just because you are not overtraining your self doesnt mean you dont need the calories still. You wanna grow? If so then eat eat eat eat eat and yea and eat! If you are lifting and keeping the weight heavy to the point you are screaming and giving that last rep every god damn bit of energy you have left then you better not think twice that you need to eat to grow.

Food and rest are probably the most important and over looked aspect in lifting. Keep the weight heavy. Do a warm up set and then rip the **** out of the other sets. Like when I do T-Bar Rows I make sure to stack on the max amount of weight I know I can do and by the end of the last rep I am most likely dropping the weight like a meat head tool as my body cant take the strain of lowering the bar back down slow. If you lift like every day is your last workout and smash the weight then you are not going to want to sit there and be adding in all these different exercises.

Again, Ian, just wanna thank you for your input and taking any time at all to post up in this thread as i really do appreciate it :).. I agree with and hear what youre saying.. On that note, I am definitely going to feel out the situation and consciously try to lower my volume, while keeping the intensity and weight to a max! I believe dropping the HIIT on my "rest" day and lowering it post-workout is a step in the right direction.. Its the gradual changes like these that are going to be easier for me to make and see how they influence my weight/mirror that will allow me to tweak my lifestyle more and more IMO :), but hey, I'm still young, so I got time ;)

Time to wait and see what happens and what i can do/look like down the road, I'm stoked :D

bijsanei

01-08-2011, 10:28 PM

Saturday January 8, 2011

Workout: Legs
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Hammer strength V-Squat: 360x12,x10,x10
Straight Leg Dead Lift: 185x12, 205x12,x10, 225x7 Rep PR
Iso-lateral Leg Extensions: 140x10x3 Standing Calf Raise: 255x10x3, followed by drop set of 6 sets
DB Lunges: 35'sx12, 40'sx12x2 Rep PR (each leg)

Stationary Bike: 25 min (LISS )

Food:

Not pictured: Red dragon roll (sushi), Various nigiri and sashimi, Peanut butter omelet, crunchy PB cookies (same as yesterday), xtend intra-workout

[i]XF Choc PB cup and egg concoction (works best with this flav :))
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2096/imagesph.jpg

New AYCE Sushi place opened yesterday right near my house…wasn't able to snap too many pics but this is my fav thing i ate… Rainbow roll (first time trying it). PS The saucy 4-piece with it is my mom's 'Pink Lady' Roll:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2288/imagegdi.jpg

2:1 Protein 'White Crispy Crunch' Bar
Not usually a fan of bars cause i'd rather eat normal food and more of it for the same macros, but I was in a rush after sushi and was leaving for a friends house when I got kinda hungry… But this one was pretty good anyway :p
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Pre-bed: ON vanilla casein Cottage cheese with PB&Co Cinnamon Raisin Swirl, Lindt dark chocolate
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Macros: 2626 calories [220g Carb/240g Protein/84g Fat]

Summary:

Got to sleep in pretty well today, so once I was up, ate breakfast, and showered up, I was ready to go to the gym as it was already early afternoon lol..

Workout today went well and I felt full of energy. Sets went very smooth but still felt the burn and pushed out the last hard reps of everything! Also added another rep to my SLDL which I've been trying to get up to a full set of 2 plates! Feltgoodman. Not to mention my calves were toasted after that dropset!

As for my mental state, looks like those changes in my meals might come sooner than i thought. Today, after getting home from my leg workout, parents invited me to this new sushi buffet that just opened up. A month or so ago, I would've probably made up an excuse not to go, ate my regular PWO meal, dinner, and follow my "safe" routine..especially since I was quite hooongray after legs and didn't really wanna wait 2 hours.. But instead, I thought I would try and step it up and live a little tonight.. doesn't mean i didn't estimate cals though :p but the restaurant was awesome!

Excited to get back to college on Monday, but cant say I'm not enjoying this free time ive recently been accustomed to :p so the busier weekdays will be something I'll have to get back into again..

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

dustinh6719

01-08-2011, 11:00 PM

smbrown3706

01-09-2011, 05:28 PM

Good looking eats man, definitely subbing

JValjean724

01-09-2011, 05:36 PM

Danm I need to try sushi.
Yes you do

How could you last so long in MEN without trying sushi? Then again this is coming from someone who was born in Philadelphia and never had a legit cheesesteak :rolleyes:

Nice job on skipping your routine PWO meal and going out to dinner with your parents. I know exactly how hard that can be, especially when put on the spot all of the sudden.

This x100. I still have issues breaking something I have planned even in things not related to working out or eating which is only amplified when I'm not given any time to make adjustments. It takes a lot of strength to be able to do that coming from where you've been.

Bijsanei - Reps when my 24 hours runs out

dustinh6719

01-09-2011, 07:41 PM

Yes you do

How could you last so long in MEN without trying sushi? Then again this is coming from someone who was born in Philadelphia and never had a legit cheesesteak :rolleyes:

I know... I've been dying to but I nor any of my friends/family have had sushi and I've heard you have to know how to pick a good clean place that you can trust for sushi, Idk though I'll give in here soon. :p

Never had a cheesesteak period other than frozen either.

bijsanei

01-09-2011, 09:26 PM

Danm I need to try sushi. Looks amazing. XF CPB looks great as well. Nice job on skipping your routine PWO meal and going out to dinner with your parents. I know exactly how hard that can be, especially when put on the spot all of the sudden.

Thanks brah :) And YES you definitely do... everyone judges it before they even know it! But keep an open mind! Thats my advice. lol

Good looking eats man, definitely subbing

Welcome! And thanks :D

Yes you do

How could you last so long in MEN without trying sushi? Then again this is coming from someone who was born in Philadelphia and never had a legit cheesesteak :rolleyes:

This x100. I still have issues breaking something I have planned even in things not related to working out or eating which is only amplified when I'm not given any time to make adjustments. It takes a lot of strength to be able to do that coming from where you've been.

Bijsanei - Reps when my 24 hours runs out

Lol. This. I've never had cheesesteak either but always wanted to.

Trrrust me, it took a few minutes of serious consideration and weighing of options in my head before I could return to the parents with a response lmao :p but you're definitely correct, sir.. i guess i made the right call :).. or did i? (Referring to tonights post [Summary section])

bijsanei

01-09-2011, 09:28 PM

Sunday January 9, 2011

Workout: Shoulders+Core
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Seated DB Press: 45'sx10x2, 50x8 (one arm at a time) Rep PR DB Side crunches: 70lbs x12(each side)x3
Upward BB Row: 70x10x3 Cable Crunches (Pulley): 140x20x3
Standing BB Military Press (Smith): 135x10, 145x8x2 Rep PR Leg raises: 20x3
BB Shrugs (Smith): 225x12x3 Lateral DB Front raises: 30'sx10x3
Plank/Side Plank variations: BW+25 60secondsx3

25 min brisk uphill walk (LISS, including cooldown)

Post-cardio (Dropsets):
Seated Shoulder Press (machine): 110x8,80x8,60x8,40x10
Ab Crunch (machine):60x10(right oblique)x10(left oblique)x10(core)

Food:

Not pictured: PB and cheese omelet, Peanut butter cookies, xtend intra-workout

Let me know if you need a description for this :p
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Milk choc, PB Cup, and Jamocha 'Trutein' Greek Yogurt w/ Oats and Cinnamon Toast Crunch, PWO Was trying to get rid of the rest of my Trutein samples! Mission…accomplished.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4476/imagexc.jpg

Garlic and herb albacore tuna steaks, with sweet potato wedges and veggies
Tuna was well seasoned and came out awesome! Might repeat it often the next couple weeks as i have about 5 more pounds of it in the freezer
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6288/imageykz.jpg

Pre-bed: ON vanilla casein Cottage cheese with PB&Co Dark Chocolate Dreams, Lindt dark chocolate
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/503/imagehou.jpg

Macros: 2630 calories [221g Carb/248g Protein/76g Fat]

Summary:

Pretty relaxing Sunday, not too much to write about here..besides a couple of "kaffuffles" i got into with my parents… One of them actually made me feel kinda shiitty.. we were at the dinner table, and while i was enjoying my tuna and veggies and everyone else was having pasta, ground beef, fries, and dessert, i suggested we should go to a Persian restaurant soon that we haven't been to in ages and we all really enjoy. My mom then rhetorically and sarcastically asked if i would even eat anything?! Since their main dishes are large portions and are mainly rice.. She then added that last night when we went for sushi, I barely ate anything and was even hungry enough to eat my own meal (protein bar) when we got home. I'm sure some of you know the feeling when people say stuff like this to you, but it really does kinda suck.. Half of me wants to tell her that I probably eat more than she does in the day and argue, but the other half feels like it shouldn't be this way, and I should be able to go to restaurants and not worry about the calories or fitting it into my macros and playing it safe. Meh.. life goes on i guess..

Workout was solid as I got the 50 lb dumbbells up on my own this week :), although only one at a time, I still count that as a PR lol.. Shoulders are feeling stronger. Feelsgoodman. Was amazed at the burn I was feeling in my core by the end of this workout, some of that was due to my first time adding weight to my planks I'm sure (PS don't try and do this on your own unless you want to put yourself in a really awkward position..just ask for someones help the first time..trust me :p)

School bright and early tomorrow! Might try and switch up my breakfast routine as I'll probably be a bit more rushed than I'm used to.. so look out for that and something cool I'm gonna try for dinner tomorrow night! Hint: There has been much chatter about in the MEN thread as of late ;)

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-09-2011, 09:50 PM

dustinh6719

01-09-2011, 09:52 PM

I'm sure some of you know the feeling when people say stuff like this to you, but it really does kinda suck.. Half of me wants to tell her that I probably eat more than she does in the day and argue, but the other half feels like it shouldn't be this way, and I should be able to go to restaurants and not worry about the calories or fitting it into my macros and playing it safe. Meh.. life goes on i guess..

I know exactly how you feel, although it's not from my immediate family, just aunts, uncles a few friends etc. My immediate family is totally cool and love the fact that I eat what I do and support it 100% which I'm so thankful for.

bijsanei

01-09-2011, 10:01 PM

Well how much did you eat? Are they generally supportive of your lifestyle? Or do they not understand?

If they are generally supportive then they are probably right.

And why did you have room for a protein bar right after? What is a bar-->most of the time a balance of fat, carbs and protein-->could have eaten a larger portion of your meal instead.
If you are worried about macros, may I suggest what I do when playing it safe/anal? Most restaurant meals are large enough where someone wouldnt eat the entire dish and often take a portion home. Eye ball, say, 2/3rds of the meat, starch and any other side and eat that. Then you can take the rest home and measure it. So if there is 4oz of meat left you now you ate 8. Then you can finish it for a later meal or the next day (whatever). That way you eat everything you pay for and you can know what you ate (ballpark).

It's a combination of the two, believe it or not :p.. I'm pretty sure she didnt mean anything by what she said, it just kind of hit home to me...maybe i read too far into it..As my parents are very supportive of my lifestyle and respect and admire what Ive done in the past year :) Which i guess i should not take for granted

Should've eaten more at the restaurant instead of the bar..

Interesting way to look at it, but seems just as anal to me :p... I think its more the fact that I have estimate at all thats the problem...thats why I tried to stick to ordering only what I could find macros for on the internet, sushi and japanese fried dishes wouldve been quite the "ballpark" if i had to guess cals :p... Oh well, whats done is done, I just gotta move forward and try and be more lax about stuff imo :cool:

I know exactly how you feel, although it's not from my immediate family, just aunts, uncles a few friends etc. My immediate family is totally cool and love the fact that I eat what I do and support it 100% which I'm so thankful for.

See above^

PS Ya my aunt/uncle and grandparents are the usual culprits :p lol

dustinh6719

01-09-2011, 10:41 PM

If you are worried about macros, may I suggest what I do when playing it safe/anal? Most restaurant meals are large enough where someone wouldnt eat the entire dish and often take a portion home. Eye ball, say, 2/3rds of the meat, starch and any other side and eat that. Then you can take the rest home and measure it. So if there is 4oz of meat left you now you ate 8. Then you can finish it for a later meal or the next day (whatever). That way you eat everything you pay for and you can know what you ate (ballpark).

Not quite what I would suggest to someone recovering from an ED. When going out to eat, you should be enjoying the meal, without stressing over macros and such. Nothing wrong with scoping the menu and ordering the healthies thing on there, but get something your craving. I know it's impossible for us not to estimate cals, but I'm just stating thats the way it should be IMO.

Eating 2/3 of your meal and bringing home the rest to weigh out to get a more accurate calorie count is taking it way to far. Now that's not making progress. Thats just adding fuel to the fire. Eat and move on.

Interesting way to look at it, but seems just as anal to me :p...

This

I think its more the fact that I have estimate at all thats the problem...

Hit the nail on the head here ;)

Oh well, whats done is done, I just gotta move forward and try and be more lax about stuff imo :cool:

My sentiments exactly.

See bold.

determined4000

01-09-2011, 11:00 PM

Not quite what I would suggest to someone recovering from an ED. When going out to eat, you should be enjoying the meal, without stressing over macros and such. Nothing wrong with scoping the menu and ordering the healthies thing on there, but get something your craving. I know it's impossible for us not to estimate cals, but I'm just stating thats the way it should be IMO.

agree
He just made it sound like he didnt eat much of anything becuz he was worrying, which would be ore detrimental than ball-parking.
I went out with my family this weekend, decided what I would order and just ate. Like I said, most restaurant meals are fairly balanced.

bijsanei

01-10-2011, 02:54 PM

Pretty decent size order came in the mail for me today. Been waiting a couple weeks for this one, as I ordered right in the midst of the holidays, and oh, did i mention I live in Canada?! :p

Anyway, the box included new Myo CnC and Strawberry, Some xtend, Orange triad (this stuff any good? Can i go on one serving a day or do I really need 2 servings of 3 pills each?!) to replace Vitastack when i run out, Free trial of Superpump MAX, ON Choc Casein, and a couple more OH Yeah! Bars i wouldnt mind trying as the first one I ever tried was amazing.

Glad to add this stuff to my current stash (see below) for even more variety :)

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/272/imageyo.jpg

PS Stay tuned for usual post of today's log later on tonight! Till then,

-Bijan

foodpr0n

01-10-2011, 03:52 PM

:D

Really interested to see what you think of CnC myo.

But, yes, niiiiice

bijsanei

01-10-2011, 10:22 PM

:D

Really interested to see what you think of CnC myo.

But, yes, niiiiice

Will let you know as soon as i put it to the test in something.. Probably tomorrow ;)

bijsanei

01-10-2011, 10:26 PM

Monday January 10, 2011

Workout: REST

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Cunchy PB cookies

Whole Wheat Bagel w/ Cream Cheese, and Turkey bacan+Egg white omelet
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7408/imagedka.jpg

Two Roasted Turkey and mozzarella wraps, and a wrap with a runny egg, mozz, and turkey bacon…so much win
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5759/imagerjr.jpg

MY version of a Homemade Cheesy Sweet potato "Shepherd's Pie" w/ veggies on the side
Filling was simply turkey mince, spanish onion, garlic, and mushroom, and sweets were simply boiled, mashed, seasoned, and topped with Jalapeno Cheddar
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1456/imagetic.jpg

Tried to get a good $ shot, but I was so hungry and this was so good, all i wanted to do is scarf it down… PS ate the whole thang :) this was not even half (pictured)
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Pre-bed: ON chocolate! casein Cottage cheese with Peanut hazelnut butter, Lindt 85% dark chocolate
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Macros: 2528 calories [155g Carb/272g Protein/92g Fat]

Summary:

It's been quite some time (a few weeks) since I needed my alarm clock to get me up in the morning! :p so that was quite the shock and kinda sucked.. But overall, first day back at college was pretty good, and laid back. Good to be back.

As for the workout, or lack thereof :), it actually felt a lot weirder than I thought to have no cardio or gym time to have to plan for! Seemed like I had a lot more free time today! Haha.. Weird in a good way that is! But, I'm not gonna lie, deep down I did second guess myself a couple times during the day and whilst sitting in my basement playing COD, it seemed like my treadmill was literally eyeing me down 10 feet away! lmao.. Oh well, as many of you have told me, these couple of rest days a week are much needed.. amidoinitright?

PS after tweaking my ab routine yesterday, and hittin em hard, cant say they were burning today! Feelsgoodman.

Food-wise, todays spread saw a couple nice alterations if you didn't notice! The breakfast was very satisfying (even though I was still half asleep) and kind of made me realize how much can be done with the extra cals usually used on powder for taste. Also, the cheesy turkey pie was pretty killer and really enjoyed it! First time trying this out, but don't count on it being the last.

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

dustinh6719

01-10-2011, 10:49 PM

Summary looks good. ;) Hows the chocolate casein compared to vanilla? I ordered some trunutrition casein samples to compare to ON's since its cheaper.

bijsanei

01-10-2011, 10:53 PM

Summary looks good. ;) Hows the chocolate casein compared to vanilla? I ordered some trunutrition casein samples to compare to ON's since its cheaper.

Never thought i'd say this, as im not really a "vanilla" guy, but i think i prefer it over the chocolate, in cottage cheese anyway, as thats the only context ive tried it so far.. any suggestions of what else its been said to be good for?

Honestly, all the trutein and wheyology i tried was actually very good! Will def be ordering from them when i need to restock.. especially liked the choc dipped banana and strawberry truteins and the jamocha shake wheyology :)

dustinh6719

01-10-2011, 11:03 PM

Never thought i'd say this, as im not really a "vanilla" guy, but i think i prefer it over the chocolate, in cottage cheese anyway, as thats the only context ive tried it so far.. any suggestions of what else its been said to be good for?

I like casein best for sludge, oats, and cereal. Especially cereal, 1 scoop + .5-.75 C Milk is just like pudding. Makes oats seem like twice the volume, and same with sludge.

Honestly, all the trutein and wheyology i tried was actually very good! Will def be ordering from them when i need to restock.. especially liked the choc dipped banana and strawberry truteins and the jamocha shake wheyology :)

So I shall not be disappointed... :cool: I snagged chocolate strawberry as well since I've never had a strawberry protein.

determined4000

01-10-2011, 11:19 PM

Summary looks good. ;) Hows the chocolate casein compared to vanilla? I ordered some trunutrition casein samples to compare to ON's since its cheaper.
I wouldnt get a 4lb ON casein again becuz I ended up getting sick of it after eating it day after day. I thought chocolate peanut butter was their best casein, although I hae heard others say they didnt even like it.

Never thought i'd say this, as im not really a "vanilla" guy, but i think i prefer it over the chocolate, in cottage cheese anyway, as thats the only context ive tried it so far.. any suggestions of what else its been said to be good for?

Honestly, all the trutein and wheyology i tried was actually very good! Will def be ordering from them when i need to restock.. especially liked the choc dipped banana and strawberry truteins and the jamocha shake wheyology :)
Why not just order their casein (much cheaper)

bijsanei

01-10-2011, 11:51 PM

I like casein best for sludge, oats, and cereal. Especially cereal, 1 scoop + .5-.75 C Milk is just like pudding. Makes oats seem like twice the volume, and same with sludge.

So I shall not be disappointed... :cool: I snagged chocolate strawberry as well since I've never had a strawberry protein.

Good to know :) will be doing some experimenting with it in the near future.. never been a sludge guy though

I hope not! I thought it was awesome :D

Why not just order their casein (much cheaper)

Not really a huge difference in price, mainly just did it for convenience since I could order it from the same place as the rest of my supps and did enjoy the vanilla. However, I think i will be going the trunutrition sciences route in the future :)

determined4000

01-10-2011, 11:57 PM

Good to know :) will be doing some experimenting with it in the near future.. never been a sludge guy though

I hope not! I thought it was awesome :D

Not really a huge difference in price, mainly just did it for convenience since I could order it from the same place as the rest of my supps and did enjoy the vanilla. However, I think i will be going the trunutrition sciences route in the future :)
no i meant why not just order trunutrition's casein

The Big Sleep

01-11-2011, 12:37 AM

Rest days =Good.

What do you think of the CnC Myo? I tried it last night in proats and the texture kicks ass, but Im still not sure on the taste.

bijsanei

01-11-2011, 09:07 AM

no i meant why not just order trunutrition's casein

Planning on it :)

Rest days =Good.

What do you think of the CnC Myo? I tried it last night in proats and the texture kicks ass, but Im still not sure on the taste.

Agreed :).

Have yet to try but planning on it PWO today with my cereal and yogurt, so I'll get back to you on that ;). For the record, cracked it open this morning and it smells pretty good..? :p Haha not sure if thats a sign of good things to come but we shall see.

bijsanei

01-11-2011, 10:22 PM

Tuesday January 11, 2011

Weight Dec. 27: 125.6 lbs
Jan. 3: 125.2 lbs
Jan. 11: 126.0 lbs @~11.2% BF (says scale) +0.8 lbs

Weird flux in weight the past few weeks, and wasn't even planning on assessing until next week as I just bumped cals last monday and stopped working the physical job… Still gonna wait it out and keep the cals up around 2600 for another week… amidoinitright?

Workout: Pull (Back/biceps)
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Wide-grip Lat Pulldown: 150x10, 160x8x2 Rep PR
Seated close-grip cable row: 150x10, 160x8x2 Rep PR
Preacher curl with EZ-Bar: Bar+50lbs x12x2, Bar+60x10 PR DB Wrist curls: 35x10(each arm)x3
Close inside-grip Lat pulldown: 150x10, 160x8x2 Rep PR
Bent over BB row (palms up): 145x10x3 Rep PR Cable Drag curls: 40 (each arm)x12x3
Lower back raises on half chair: BW+45x15x3 DB Hammer curls: 30'sx10x3 Rep PR

Brisk uphill walk: 25 min ([LISS] including cooldown/stretching)

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, PB cookies, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

XF Choc PB Cream of Wheat and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
First time trying cream of wheat and was actually pleasantly surprised!
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5710/imagenya.jpg

CnC Myo Greek Yogurt + Oats + Reese Puffs = WIN PWO
If my memory serves me right, JVal used the CnC+Reese combo quite often, and now I know why :)
PS (mostly for foodpr0n ;)) CnC Myo was alrrright, but didn't seem too special, def nothing to get too excited about. May not have been in the best context today, though, as Greek yogurt tends to overpower a lot of powders with its bitterness imo.. will be trying again in proats and cottage cheese in the near future!
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9720/imagewu.jpg

Homemade WW Thin-crust Pizza with Turkey Pepperoni, Mushrooms, Onions, Garlic Pizza Sauce, and Jalapeno Cheddar
Dough was easier to make than I thought! Came out pretty good for first time..
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8696/imagekre.jpg

Pre-bed: ON vanilla casein Cottage cheese with PB&Co White and Dark Choc, 72% swiss dark chocolate (85% was a bit too dark for me lol)
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8250/imagejgdz.jpg

Macros: 2630 calories [219g Carb/257g Protein/83g Fat][/center]

Summary:

Tuesday's are my rest day! From school that is! Lol, managed to work out my schedule so I have a weekday of NO classes :cool:. Nothing too special to report outside workout today, day was pretty easy-going which i didn't mind at all..

As for the workout, went great today! Brought up all my exercises pretty much, whether it was pumping out more reps at higher weight, or bumping up weight entirely! Feltgoodman. Also, tried out Superpump MAX for the first time today as I felt my pull day would be the best time as that's when I usually feel the best pump and vascularity. Having been recently taking Jack3d, I cant say that I really enjoyed MAX all that much, the focus was there and my biceps were exploding, also, taste of this stuff is amazing (as was Superpump 250's)…but I think Jack3d is a cleaner, more natural intensity and gives me more of a strength boost.

Food-wise, todays spread saw a couple more nice changes! Picked up some cream of wheat while stocking up in the cereal aisle yesterday, thought it would be a nice change and wanted to try it, and it was actually really good with powder (then again, I was using XF). A whole different texture and more volume than oats in my opinion, which i cant complain about :D. Could see this stuff being AWESOME with Cinnaroll..

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-11-2011, 10:26 PM

+.8--> Id hold steady

workout-->impressive

Seems you like having a peice of chocolate each night. Why not tae some unsweetened cocoa powder, and your PBs and dumping it in the CC?-->mmm

dustinh6719

01-11-2011, 10:30 PM

Still gonna wait it out and keep the cals up around 2600 for another week… amidoinitright?

Yes, allow two weeks for your body to adjust to calorie increase.

foodpr0n

01-11-2011, 10:36 PM

Yep, keep the kcal intake there bud. 2 weeks is a general 'rule' before making adjustments (unless of course weight gain/loss is ridiculous)

PR's all over the place, gotta love it! :D

Man, I did the strawberry myo proats last night and loved it! It's nice ot mix it up from choc/vanilla flavours all the time.

Hmm, thanks for the mini review on the CnC ;) Little dissapointing in that you weren't completely sold yet. However, as you said, it was with the greek yogurt which could have masked some of it's tastiness. I STILL gotta get onto that combo though - perhaps tomorrow I'll do an oats + "progurt:p" + cereal combo!

Got a recipe for that pizza dough? Looks good.

I can't take jack3d. Crash like all hell....feelsbadman.

bijsanei

01-11-2011, 10:47 PM

+.8--> Id hold steady

workout-->impressive

Seems you like having a peice of chocolate each night. Why not tae some unsweetened cocoa powder, and your PBs and dumping it in the CC?-->mmm

That seems to be the general consensus!

Thanks! Feelsgoodman.

Or i could stick to the chocolate? :p It's delicious and macros aren't all that bad at all, correct me if i'm wrong.. And yes, usually do some in CC some simply spoon to mouth since its so damn good:D

Yes, allow two weeks for your body to adjust to calorie increase.

Cool:cool:, Thanks

Yep, keep the kcal intake there bud. 2 weeks is a general 'rule' before making adjustments (unless of course weight gain/loss is ridiculous)

PR's all over the place, gotta love it! :D

Man, I did the strawberry myo proats last night and loved it! It's nice ot mix it up from choc/vanilla flavours all the time.

Hmm, thanks for the mini review on the CnC ;) Little dissapointing in that you weren't completely sold yet. However, as you said, it was with the greek yogurt which could have masked some of it's tastiness. I STILL gotta get onto that combo though - perhaps tomorrow I'll do an oats + "progurt:p" + cereal combo!

Got a recipe for that pizza dough? Looks good.

I can't take jack3d. Crash like all hell....feelsbadman.

No problemo with that :)

Oh, I do! Thanks for noticin' = ;)

Couldnt agree more! Def an awesome change and isnt it sweet as shiit?! Strawberry flavour is verrry strong imo.. love it.

Still got some experimenting to do, not giving up on it yet lol.. And yes, please do! Make it an epic combo (you usually dont disappoint with your cereal combos in MEN so im not worried)!

I think I notice a slight crash as well tbh, but not gonna let that tub go to waste! And the workouts with it are pretty solid..

foodpr0n

01-11-2011, 10:57 PM

Oh, I do! Thanks for noticin' = ;)
hard not to notice brother! You killed it todayD

Couldnt agree more! Def an awesome change and isnt it sweet as shiit?! Strawberry flavour is verrry strong imo.. love it.
Yep, and although I wouldn't use it anywhere near as regularly as choc/vanilla (vanilla especially) it's just good to have for a change of pace. It will def be something I will always have one tub of in the cupboard I reckon!

Still got some experimenting to do, not giving up on it yet lol.. And yes, please do! Make it an epic combo (you usually dont disappoint with your cereal combos in MEN so im not worried)!
I'll start off small. going on your recc's;)
Cook 30g oats
Mix probably 1.5 scoops of 12-hr fudge brownie with 200g greek yogurt
Freezer for a bit, mix together and top with probbbably 1 serving of golden grahams.

I think I notice a slight crash as well tbh, but not gonna let that tub go to waste! And the workouts with it are pretty solid..
Lol, I just gave it to my dad, he doesn't get any crash and loves it!

bijsanei

01-11-2011, 11:06 PM

hard not to notice brother! You killed it todayD

Yep, and although I wouldn't use it anywhere near as regularly as choc/vanilla (vanilla especially) it's just good to have for a change of pace. It will def be something I will always have one tub of in the cupboard I reckon!

I'll start off small. going on your recc's;)
Cook 30g oats
Mix probably 1.5 scoops of 12-hr fudge brownie with 200g greek yogurt
Freezer for a bit, mix together and top with probbbably 1 serving of golden grahams.

Lol, I just gave it to my dad, he doesn't get any crash and loves it!

Thanks brah, means a lot (srs):), especially after all this second-guessing non sense ive been putting myself through as of late.

Thats my current strategy ;), like a back-up when i'm feeling fruity (no homo).

Delicious idea, sir. Still have yet to try Golden grahams although ive been tempted.. any good?

I lol'd. Sounds like a win-win to me :D

PS Totally just noticed I ignored your request for the dough recipe :p.. Really easy, just googled 'pizza dough no yeast' and all you gotta do it combine flour, baking soda, sugar, salt, water, and EVOO.. let it rise, knead, spread, top, and bake :)

determined4000

01-11-2011, 11:14 PM

You can do:

baking soda
3/4 c. very warm water
2 c. flour
1 tsp. salt
1tbsp oil

I also add onion/garlic powder for flavor
Higher protein content-->1/2c CC (or protein powder of course)

spak

01-11-2011, 11:27 PM

nice eats today, good work on the PR's (actually gave me an idea to try out some kind of buffalo chicken pizza rollups for my rest day tomorrow)

How did you end up doing that dough? the one time I tried making pizza dough i tried to knead it, but it just turned out super sticky and i couldnt get it to ball up even with more flour(too much water?). I will figure it out someday I guess, but feck it all I am buying mama maries pizza crusts from walmart now lol. I have yet to make a pizza at home in a while actually.

I also just bought 2 boxes of chocolate chex, but I have no Greek yogurt, so once I fix that, I will be doing some cereal mixes lol(or if i get CC)

determined4000

01-11-2011, 11:33 PM

How did you end up doing that dough? the one time I tried making pizza dough i tried to knead it, but it just turned out super sticky and i couldnt get it to ball up even with more flour(too much water?). I will figure it out someday I guess, but feck it all I am buying mama maries pizza crusts from walmart now lol. I have yet to make a pizza at home in a while actually.

sticky dough-->eep adding flour on cutting board while you roll until it is covered in a powder

spak

01-12-2011, 12:03 AM

sticky dough-->eep adding flour on cutting board while you roll until it is covered in a powder

ah, well I was trying to go macro friendly on it and using only a select amount of flour, but next time I will just cut the water a bit, and use 70% of the flour and then add the rest of it in when I try to knead it. I need to watch some more youtube tutorials lol, the technique isnt so straightforward as I have seen

determined4000

01-12-2011, 12:13 AM

ah, well I was trying to go macro friendly on it and using only a select amount of flour, but next time I will just cut the water a bit, and use 70% of the flour and then add the rest of it in when I try to knead it.
thats wat i do

riaden

01-12-2011, 01:07 AM

keep up the good work, love the log, nice choice of foods as well! thanks for the ideas :)

JValjean724

01-12-2011, 06:19 AM

If my memory serves me right, JVal used the CnC+Reese combo quite often, and now I know why :)

Yep! Speaking of which I really need to get some more Reese's Puffs from the grocery store. I think it's worth the 3 mile walk in the cold

PS Totally just noticed I ignored your request for the dough recipe :p.. Really easy, just googled 'pizza dough no yeast' and all you gotta do it combine flour, baking soda, sugar, salt, water, and EVOO.. let it rise, knead, spread, top, and bake :)

Why no yeast? It's really cheap stuff and you just have to plan about 40 minutes more in advance to let the dough double in size (not really any extra work, you just have to wait).......I'd say it comes out a lot better too

Side note: Your food's looked a lot better these past few days....your efforts are not going unnoticed :cool:

How did you end up doing that dough? the one time I tried making pizza dough i tried to knead it, but it just turned out super sticky and i couldnt get it to ball up even with more flour(too much water?). I will figure it out someday I guess, but feck it all I am buying mama maries pizza crusts from walmart now lol. I have yet to make a pizza at home in a while actually.

sticky dough-->eep adding flour on cutting board while you roll until it is covered in a powder

Yeah you're going to have to add more flour.....I usually add it by the tablespoon so I don't add more than I need. It should be fairly easy to work with and stretchy

I know... I've been dying to but I nor any of my friends/family have had sushi and I've heard you have to know how to pick a good clean place that you can trust for sushi, Idk though I'll give in here soon. :p

Never had a cheesesteak period other than frozen either.

Ha that was the one good thing I got from my first ex girlfriend....a great sushi place in my area that no one knows about. I think though as long as the guys in the back are actually Japanese then the place has a good chance of being pretty good (If it's a bunch of white guys then run away! :p)

bijsanei

01-12-2011, 11:09 AM

keep up the good work, love the log, nice choice of foods as well! thanks for the ideas :)

Thanks man, means a ton! And glad to be of service :)

Yep! Speaking of which I really need to get some more Reese's Puffs from the grocery store. I know it's worth the 3 mile walk in the cold

Why no yeast? It's really cheap stuff and you just have to plan about 40 minutes more in advance to let the dough double in size (not really any extra work, you just have to wait).......I'd say it comes out a lot better too

Side note: Your food's looked a lot better these past few days....your efforts are not going unnoticed :cool:

Fixed.

Oh, no reason other than the fact that I didnt have any on hand and didnt want to go to the store just to get yeast :p haha.. Will be making a second attempt in the near future though, I presume, and def willing to experiment.. Gotta recipe/tips you like to use?

Good to know someone has ;) haha thanks :D Hopefully I have the time and ideas to keep it up, but if not, i apologize in advance :p

dustinh6719

01-12-2011, 11:36 AM

Ha that was the one good thing I got from my first ex girlfriend....a great sushi place in my area that no one knows about. I think though as long as the guys in the back are actually Japanese then the place has a good chance of being pretty good (If it's a bunch of white guys then run away! :p)

Lol'd

The Big Sleep

01-12-2011, 01:19 PM

droc81yo

01-12-2011, 01:50 PM

Drop the Smith and do them in the squat rack or power rack. I used to use it and it was night and day when I switched over to REAL Squats. They will hit your legs and core 5000000 times harder then the Smith =)

this.

Just started on the power rack, and realized how much the smith helps you out. Power Rack Squats is the way to go IMO

bijsanei

01-12-2011, 02:34 PM

Still awaiting your Myo CnC verdict... :D

Pizza crust is being utilized tonight, looks good!

Also, if you like cream of wheat/farina, see if you can find cream of rice...godly hot cereal for proats.

Tried it in greek yogurt + cereal concoction yesterday and cant see I was that impressed, but I gave it a second chance this morning and it was a whole lot better (see post later tonight ;))

Thanks! :) I'll be using it again soon I hope

Hmm, good to know! Thanks! The cream of wheat makes for awesome proats! :D Whats the diff when it comes to cream of rice?

this.

Just started on the power rack, and realized how much the smith helps you out. Power Rack Squats is the way to go IMO

Agreed 100%. Hopefully there arent as many "New years resulotion-ers" at my gym tomorrow hogging up the racks during my leg workout so I can actually get on one! LOL :p

agility2live

01-12-2011, 02:56 PM

innn :D

bijsanei

01-12-2011, 03:03 PM

innn :D

Awesome! Welcome :)

JValjean724

01-12-2011, 04:25 PM

Thanks man, means a ton! And glad to be of service :)

Fixed.

Oh, no reason other than the fact that I didnt have any on hand and didnt want to go to the store just to get yeast :p haha.. Will be making a second attempt in the near future though, I presume, and def willing to experiment.. Gotta recipe/tips you like to use?

Good to know someone has ;) haha thanks :D Hopefully I have the time and ideas to keep it up, but if not, i apologize in advance :p

Last one I made turned out really well....it was 3/4 cup flour (plus two more tablespoons added later during kneading process) 1 tsp oil, 1/4 tsp sugar, 1/4 tsp salt, 1/4 cup and two tablespoons water, half a package of dry active yeast, and another 1/2 tsp oil for later.

Just dissolve the yeast in the water then mix in the rest of the ingredients except for the 1/2 tsp oil. Knead until stretchy (5 minutes or so) making sure the dough isn't too sticky (add more flour if so). Then let sit in a bowl rubbed with the remaining olive oil with enough room to grow and cover with a towel or anything else. Wait 40 minutes and voila. Obviously then you just use the dough for whatever you wish (Pizza, Calzone, or Stromboli).

The most important thing is just getting it to the right consistency when kneading it wrt to the amount of flour.....you'll know when you get there because it becomes really easy to work with and won't stick to your hands anymore

I scaled that down from a much larger recipe and it made a calzone that was fairly large so you could get away with scaling it down even further for a personal pizza. (It won't seem like much when you're making it but a little goes a long way)

And no worries :D just thought I'd give some credit where credit was due

agility2live

01-12-2011, 04:55 PM

Awesome! Welcome :)

Thanks! foods and workouts are awesome in here! I'm sorry it took me so long :D

riotmute

01-12-2011, 04:57 PM

Following with much interest - keep up the good work

smbrown3706

01-12-2011, 07:06 PM

Solid looking prebed eats, they look very similar to mine except I'm outta natty pb and ab :(, dark chocolate ran out too so instead made a few cups of cocoa :)

bijsanei

01-12-2011, 10:24 PM

Pizza tips..

And no worries :D just thought I'd give some credit where credit was due

Thanks! Will def be trying it again soon enough i'm sure ;)

Feelsgoodman.

Thanks! foods and workouts are awesome in here! I'm sorry it took me so long :D

Why thanks! :) And dont worry! It's just the beginning.. :D

Following with much interest - keep up the good work

Means a lot man, thanks. And thats the plan!

Solid looking prebed eats, they look very similar to mine except I'm outta natty pb and ab :(, dark chocolate ran out too so instead made a few cups of cocoa :)

Been hooked on this chocolate recently lol sooo good. My parents bought it at costco so I had a bunch but I'm running out too.. gonna have to go to the store and get some more.. new varieties perhaps.. ;) PS you gotta get on that, PB is a must in any household.

bijsanei

01-12-2011, 10:25 PM

Wednesday January 12, 2011

Workout: Push (Chest/triceps) + Light Core
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Incline BB Bench Press (Smith): 195x10x2, 205x8 PR DB Side Crunches: 70'sx12x3
Incline DB Fly's: 40'sx10x2, 45'sx8 PR Rotating Sit-up cycle: 20x3
DB Standing Skullcrush: 50x10x2, 55x8 PR
Hammer Strength Decline Press: 70x8x3 Rep PR (@70)
Tricep Dips: BW+35x10x3 Leg Raises (Ab Chair): 20x3
Decline Cable Fly's: 50x10x2, 60x7 PR Tricep cable Pulldown: 50x12x3

Brisk uphill walk: 25 min (including cooldown/stretching)

Post-cardio: Dropset on 'Freemotion' Chest Press Flat Bench (Alternating Press+Fly): 70x8, 50x8, 35x8, 20x10

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Crunchy PB cookies, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

CnC Cream of Wheat and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
CnC came out quite yummy (ya, I said yummy) in cream of wheat form! Guessing would be pretty good in oats too as they are quite similar..
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1097/imageasc.jpg

XF Cinnaroll Greek Yogurt + Oats + CTC + Apple Cinnamon Cheerios PWO
WOW…just wow.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1272/imagedwq.jpg

Garlic and Herb Turkey Scallopini w/ sweet 'taters and cream cheesy broccoli
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2263/imageayr.jpg

Pre-bed: ON vanilla casein Cottage cheese with PB&Co Mighty Maple, peanut hazelnut butter, 72% swiss dark chocolate
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7971/imageugi.jpg

Macros: 2626 calories [229g Carb/260g Protein/76g Fat][/center]

Summary:

Was surprised, once again, by my alarm this morning! Lol, rough day at school today as meeting a couple of my new profs didn't seem to promising (classes seem like they're gonna be really boring and pointless).. Relaxed all evening after school and workout.. Feels weird to not have to cook dinner and rush to get to work at night.. and actually have free time to do nothing! Cant say I'm complaining..

As for the workout, more PR's to report = happy Bijan :D.. Second time trying out Superpump MAX, feltgoodman. Tons of focus and it felt like I had DD boobies by the time this workout was through LOL (no homo).

Food-wise, I'm liking this new breakfast combo! The cream of wheat is actually really good and a nice change from oats! Another reason is…volume! Was quite stuffed by the end of this meal and it was only like ~400 cals! :D

Mentally, everything seems pretty solid, not sure if its the difference between Superpump Max and Jack3d but the past couple workouts have felt a bit longer than usual, which is interesting.. But the PR's keep coming so i'm not slowing down and looking to see what I can do tomorrow with my leg workout! Hopefully get my SLDL up again and finally get some solid free weight squats in!

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

foodpr0n

01-13-2011, 01:13 AM

The Solution

01-13-2011, 03:56 AM

get rid of this ridiculous post cardio drop set thing though:p

Fixed.. lol at trying to get a pump after cardio.. :rolleyes:

ErickStevens

01-13-2011, 05:09 AM

Post-cardio: Dropset on 'Freemotion' Chest Press Flat Bench (Alternating Press+Fly): 70x8, 50x8, 35x8, 20x10

What the fuk?

... And why is your protein intake so high?

smbrown3706

01-13-2011, 06:24 AM

PS you gotta get on that, PB is a must in any household.

Most definitely, and it's cheaper than AB

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 08:37 AM

what you counting the bar on smith presses as bud?
regardless 205 for 8 reps is f'in outstanding for your weight.

5 movement PR's damn!? What you put in that greek yogurt;)
(btw trying it tomorrow finally lol - and to answer the golden grahams Q, yep they are good. pretty plain, but they add a nice 'crunch' to things without being overpowering and would work with any flavour imo of mix-in imo)

get rid of this ridiculous post cardio drop set thing though:p

Counting it as 45 simply because not have no idea what it actually is lol (maybe 20?), but thanks

I'm trying to keep either a rep or a weight bump PR comin every week, so far so good.. thanks for noticin'! And its gotta be dem sugarz in CTC..:p Let me know how your concotion goes, and as far as Golden grahams, they sound alright but maybe not worth a whole box?.. Anything else cereal-wise I should try? Was thinking maybe french toast crunch, lucky charms, or cap'n crunch..

consider this done lol.. dont usually do it on that machine just wanted to get a flat bench press in before i left

PS drop the whole post-cardio in general or just this fly/press combo?

Fixed.. lol at trying to get a pump after cardio.. :rolleyes:

:o.. Well it is low intensity cardio ;) so it leaves me wanting the pump! lol (not srs)

What the fuk?

... And why is your protein intake so high?

Couldnt find a way to describe it, its basically a free-form cable machine that lets you do anything you could do with dumbbells on a bench..

... Why not? I know its not necessary but I'm getting my fats and i love me some cottage cheese, eggs, and meat :).. oh, and XF ;) lol

ErickStevens

01-13-2011, 12:26 PM

... Why not? I know its not necessary but I'm getting my fats and i love me some cottage cheese, eggs, and meat :).. oh, and XF ;) lol

Because it's excessive and unnecessary, that's why. Eat more fat/carbs.

The Big Sleep

01-13-2011, 12:34 PM

because it's excessive and unnecessary, that's why. eat more fat/carbs.

WInner Winner Chocolate Dinner!

dustinh6719

01-13-2011, 12:53 PM

WInner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Irony at its best right there. ;)

dustinh6719

01-13-2011, 12:59 PM

I ate 300g carbs and 230g protein yesterday if thats what you're getting at...if not carry on :D

Lol, naw, you bolded eat more fat/carbs and then said winner winner chicken dinner. Ya dig? If not I fail... :p

The Big Sleep

01-13-2011, 01:04 PM

Lol, naw, you bolded eat more fat/carbs and then said winner winner chicken dinner. Ya dig? If not I fail... :p

Edited it. :p
Wow the minute I walked away from the comp I realized this! I feel like a tard now lol, my bad Dustin :D

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 01:14 PM

Because it's excessive and unnecessary, that's why. Eat more fat/carbs.

Slowly but surely getting this whole carbz are gonna make me fat non-sense out of my head, but, for the record I am really enjoying what I'm eating.. for now!

PS Thanks for the tip anyway ;) (srs), and thought i'd just have you know it's cool just to see you post in here since you're quite the inspiration and hope to see you around the threads more often as you've been MIA as of late :)

WInner Winner Chocolate Dinner!

Am i not eating enough chocolate brah?! lol Been in my diet errday for a good while now :p

Lol, naw, you bolded eat more fat/carbs and then said winner winner chicken dinner. Ya dig? If not I fail... :p

I lol'd.. was confused when I saw it too..

agility2live

01-13-2011, 01:15 PM

WInner Winner Chicken Dinner!

/mind blowing movie called 21

dustinh6719

01-13-2011, 01:35 PM

/mind blowing movie called 21

Favorite. Movie. Ever.

agility2live

01-13-2011, 01:41 PM

Favorite. Movie. Ever.

:D I swear the moment I finished watching it I'm like "wow.. I need to do better in math"

ian0789

01-13-2011, 02:25 PM

The bar its self on the smith is counted as 0 weight and when added they say it is only 10-15lb on weight.

It is 0 by its self as it is self stabilizing =P

More the reason to drop that thing out of ALL your workout sets!

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 02:36 PM

/mind blowing movie called 21

Favorite. Movie. Ever.

Amazing movie! But i may be biased, I <3 blackjack :)

The bar its self on the smith is counted as 0 weight and when added they say it is only 10-15lb on weight.

It is 0 by its self as it is self stabilizing =P

More the reason to drop that thing out of ALL your workout sets!

Good to know..

And wait till tonight's post! ;) Hopefully you'll be impressed

foodpr0n

01-13-2011, 03:40 PM

I'm trying to keep either a rep or a weight bump PR comin every week, so far so good.. thanks for noticin'! And its gotta be dem sugarz in CTC..:p Let me know how your concotion goes, and as far as Golden grahams, they sound alright but maybe not worth a whole box?.. Anything else cereal-wise I should try? Was thinking maybe french toast crunch, lucky charms, or cap'n crunch..
Nar, I'd say they are worth a box... cereal is damn cheap anyway:p
Well, I don't have unlimited acccess to amazing cereal. Only the boxes greg sent me (20 of them though :p)
DEF get french toast crunch!? wtf is that? Sounds awesome. lucky charms yes, capn crunch yes!, cinnabon yes! eggo yes! cookie crisp yes! all that stuff dude. just try every cereal you can I say ;)

consider this done lol.. dont usually do it on that machine just wanted to get a flat bench press in before i left

PS drop the whole post-cardio in general or just this fly/press combo?
Just drop this fly drop set combo retarded thing :D but first and foremost get rid of that thing. it serves NO purpose and is most likely doing more harm than good. then drop cardio if you want. LISS never hurt anyone.

The Big Sleep

01-13-2011, 06:46 PM

FWIW, in regards to gambling/card movies, Rounders>Maverick>21

determined4000

01-13-2011, 06:56 PM

FWIW, in regards to gambling/card movies, Rounders>Maverick>21

Rounders>21>Maverick

foodpr0n

01-13-2011, 07:20 PM

AND ftwiw; Texas Hold 'em > blackjack/all
:p

agility2live

01-13-2011, 07:22 PM

and ftwiw; texas hold 'em > blackjack/all
:p

yes!!!

dustinh6719

01-13-2011, 07:42 PM

Cardgames: Rummy>All.

determined4000

01-13-2011, 07:44 PM

Cardgames: Rummy>All.

Pitch/High low jack > Rummy > everything else

foodpr0n

01-13-2011, 07:44 PM

yes!!!

Play online Alot :o

agility2live

01-13-2011, 07:54 PM

Cardgames: Rummy>All.

Pitch/High low jack > Rummy > everything else

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/beezjunk/skip.jpg

ok not srs.. but still a fun game

Play online Alot :o

my brothers used to have tournaments at our house that I used to play in.. good times :p

play online with real money?

foodpr0n

01-13-2011, 07:56 PM

my brothers used to have tournaments at our house that I used to play in.. good times :p

play online with real money?

Me and about 5 other friends play probably 2x/week.

Then yeah, I play online with money.

agility2live

01-13-2011, 07:57 PM

Me and about 5 other friends play probably 2x/week.

Then yeah, I play online with money.

mann, I wish my friends were into it.. half of them don't even know what it is :(

nice, how's it going?

foodpr0n

01-13-2011, 08:03 PM

mann, I wish my friends were into it.. half of them don't even know what it is :(

nice, how's it going?

Great, thanks. It's a big time hobby of mine now. I play online and read a lot about it on poker forums and whatnot.

Best way to get better at it is to play though. So I play as much as I can when time allows....which isn't that often due to work,uni,chilling with mates (ones who don't play) etc.

Brenden01

01-13-2011, 09:13 PM

Hey everyone,

Nutrition logs seem to be "trending" as of late :p, so I decided (with the desire to reap the benefits of your wise feedback and the ability to keep track of my progress) to start one of my own as I have come a pretty long way thus-far and don't plan on slowing down :)... Here's the short story behind the past year or so of my life.. (Cliffs):

Back in October 2009, this was me @~235 lbs:

I was always a pretty hefty kid, as you can see in the pic, definitely more than just a bit pudgy.. but since this was how it always was and nutrition was never really an evident though in my life, it never changed..

Then I got to a point in my life where, after my best friend asked me if I wanted in on a gym membership with him, I started to look in the mirror a bit differently and realized I wanted to make a change. Thats when the gym (with very basic unstructured routines, and little to no nutritional change) began.. As time went on, results started to show with gym alone and so I began to step my game up wanting more, fast. Thats when I started dipping into supplements and getting on a fairly strict diet which was based on a low carb approach.. This is when things started to go south..

After cutting calories and losing weight had become such a large facet of my everyday life, it was all I know, so I kept doing it, faster and faster, cutting more and more calories, and my view on food became very distorted until I was barely eating 1000 calories/day (estimated) as of a few months ago... Not only did I lose most or all of my gains from my past 6 months at the gym, but I was on a slippery slope that consisted of WAY too much restriction, which led to bingeing on a regular basis.

After realizing (with the help of others) that I was actually quite lean and needed to start eating more (even though deep inside the mirror still said otherwise), I decided they were right and I would try and start turning my life around and altering my goals.. This was me

After starting to count my calories and making weekly bumps from 1900 cals to ~2600... with a pretty high protein/fat diet (was still scared of carbz :p.. and kinda still am tbh), this was me as of 2 weeks ago (after 2 months of these calorie bumps

In this log I'm going to try my best to update my nutrition and workouts daily as I am on a 4-day split and counting/weighing my meals.. I will try and post pics for some of my meals but my parents have already commented on that in the past so I dont wanna freak em out :p. However, when I can (or when my meal actually looks good) I will, and will post my daily macros/cals

PS Dont hesitate to ask me any questions regarding my stats, supps or workouts or anything you wanna know about nutrition in general, as I have done my homework ;)

Thanks for reading and let the feedback begin!

That’s really unbelievable, I am sure that you would have worked really hard to get into that shape, you look fantastic now. I wonder which weight loss program you used, which has given such great results. You are truly an inspiration for many people who are overweight. Thanks for sharing.

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 10:22 PM

Nar, I'd say they are worth a box... cereal is damn cheap anyway:p
Well, I don't have unlimited acccess to amazing cereal. Only the boxes greg sent me (20 of them though :p)
DEF get french toast crunch!? wtf is that? Sounds awesome. lucky charms yes, capn crunch yes!, cinnabon yes! eggo yes! cookie crisp yes! all that stuff dude. just try every cereal you can I say ;)

Planning on picking up French toast crunch (canadian only ;), google it!) as well as golden grahams and perhaps cap'n crunch.. DO WANT all the other ones you named, unfortunately those arent available in Canada :(

Just drop this fly drop set combo retarded thing :D but first and foremost get rid of that thing. it serves NO purpose and is most likely doing more harm than good. then drop cardio if you want. LISS never hurt anyone.

Done and done. And by cardio I meant LISS :s

That’s really unbelievable, I am sure that you would have worked really hard to get into that shape, you look fantastic now. I wonder which weight loss program you used, which has given such great results. You are truly an inspiration for many people who are overweight. Thanks for sharing.

Tons of hard work, and no program specifically.. But thank you :D, you have no idea how much that means.

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 10:24 PM

Thursday January 13, 2011

Workout: Legs
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Squats!: 135x12 (getting form), 185x10x2, 205x10
Straight Leg Dead Lift: 185x12, 205x12,x10, 225x8 Rep PR (+1)
Iso-lateral Leg Extensions: 70(each leg)x10x2, 75x10 PR Standing Calf Raise: 255x10x2, 260x10 PR (+5lbs) followed by drop set of 6 sets
DB Lunges: 45'sx12x3 (each leg) Rep PR (first time 3 sets with 45's)

Stationary Bike: 25 min (LISS )

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Crunchy PB cookies, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

[i]XF Cinnamon roll Cream of Wheat and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
Dayummm! Why does cinnaroll make everything that much better :p this came out nice and thick (no homo)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9963/imageiqc.jpg

ON Choc Casein + Greek Yogurt + Oats + Choc Mini-wheats + Reese Puffs PWO
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7708/imageide.jpg

Cajun Turkey Scallopini w/ sweet 'taters and veggies with Jalapeno chedda'
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/475/imagegkj.jpg

Pre-bed: Cookies 'n' cream Cottage cheese with PB&Co Cinnamon Raisin Swirl, crunchy almond butter, 72% swiss dark chocolate
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9751/imagexoe.jpg

Macros: 2629 calories [229g Carb/252g Protein/76g Fat][/center]

Summary:

One early class today! And that was it for school! Didn't get a whole bunch of sleep due to it, though, so thought my leg workout in the afternoon would suffer, but I stood corrected :D! Hit a few more PR's, but more importantly, I'm done with the Smith and the machines when it comes to squats! Think I got the form down and I actually love the rack (free weight BB) sooo much better [thanks Ian ;)].. Legs were friiiied after this one, felt awesome! Other than workout and class, went to movies tonight to see the Fighter. Wow, Batman lost a lot of weight, guess thats why he's getting the big bucks eh!? Kinda makes me think some of their work really is worth all the money they make..

Food-wise, today was quite similar to yesterday, which i didnt mind at all 'cause it was all awesome :).. Although I am getting kinda bored with my night meal, might dig into some BnJ's I've had in my freezer for a while, just to change it up.

Mentally, was feeling kinda soft yesterday and the day before, but sooo much better today and body's feelin' solid.. which makes me feel solid.. Looking forward to a relaxing weekend, minus another really early couple classes tomorrow..

PS Started my new bottle of Orange Triad (multi) today (two orange pills w/ breakfast) as i ran out of Vitastack. Any opinions on this stuff?! Do i really need six pills/day!? I was thinking 3 in the morning, or 2 in the morning, 2 at night for a total of 4..?

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 10:25 PM

Oh, and Blackjack and Hold 'em are tied neck and neck for 1st in my fav casino games :D

riaden

01-13-2011, 11:21 PM

never herd of cinnaroll before!
hows it taste!
looks good! :)
nice workout as well!

bijsanei

01-13-2011, 11:55 PM

never herd of cinnaroll before!
hows it taste!
looks good! :)
nice workout as well!

As in Xtreme Formulations UP 2.0 Cinnamon Roll!? :eek:
Tastes even better than it looks lol ;)

Thanks, good workout today indeed! I can barely stand up and its still the day of :p

riaden

01-14-2011, 12:18 AM

nice! just wait untill tomorrow see how you feel then lol :)

yea never herd of a Xtreme Formulations UP 2.0 Cinnamon Roll! am i missing something lol

spak

01-14-2011, 12:24 AM

food is looking GREEAT in here, I finally literally bought the last of the 1% CC in the store, I am going to try and snag some bulk Greek yogurt from BJ's this weekend. Whittling my HN Cheerios away and my frosted mini wheats :D

I am going to have to reduce cals feels bad man, i am going to cycle carbs and fats though at like 2100 cals lol

as far as casino games, blackjack is #1 and I dunno what every is talking about with the other card games but you know the best is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Euchre.jpg/260px-Euchre.jpg

foodpr0n

01-14-2011, 02:06 AM

Awesome stuff jumping on the squats mate! And killing them too. Very strong for your bw for sure.

Impressed by the SLDL also.

Sounds like 2.0 CR is the king then. How as CnC in the pre-bed meal? (BnJ's sounds better than cottage cheese for sure:p)

Dunno anything about orange triad, but any multi that is making you take 6 pills a day is a waste of time/money. If it is a multi, next time, do yourself a favour and get a cheap generic brand!

Oh and btw, peep the second pic ;)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=610807143&postcount=1508

ian0789

01-14-2011, 03:25 AM

Squats!: 135x12 (getting form), 185x10x2, 205x10!!!!!!!

Heck yes duder! Rep's rep's rep's! You made my morning =) That is one thing you will never look back on! Once you get the form down its golden and it seems you did!

How do you like those Triad's? Worth the $$$?

Edit: BAH! Still on spread >_< will get you once I give some loving out!

JValjean724

01-14-2011, 03:26 AM

FWIW, in regards to gambling/card movies, Rounders>Maverick>21

Rounders>21>Maverick

No love for the Hangover? :rolleyes:

Play online Alot :o

Me and about 5 other friends play probably 2x/week.

Then yeah, I play online with money.

Are you one of those people who wins a bunch of money all the time on there?

I knew someone that was trying to make a profession out of it

[size=+2][center][color=red]
One early class today! And that was it for school! Didn't get a whole bunch of sleep due to it, though, so thought my leg workout in the afternoon would suffer, but I stood corrected :D! Hit a few more PR's, but more importantly, I'm done with the Smith and the machines when it comes to squats! Think I got the form down and I actually love the rack (free weight BB) sooo much better [thanks Ian ;)].. Legs were friiiied after this one, felt awesome! Other than workout and class, went to movies tonight to see the Fighter. Wow, Batman lost [b]a lot of weight, guess thats why he's getting the big bucks eh!? Kinda makes me think some of their work really is worth all the money they make..

-Bijan

Nice. I remember when I switched from the smith machine to the real stuff.....one of the best decisions I've made at the gym

Oh and go for the ice cream! It's not like you need the extra protein in the nighttime meal anyway

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 07:14 AM

nice! just wait untill tomorrow see how you feel then lol :)

Surprisingly dont feel as bad as I thought lol does hurt to flex quads though and the long walk to school this morn wasn't so fun

yea never herd of a Xtreme Formulations UP 2.0 Cinnamon Roll! am i missing something lol

Haha I hope I shed some light on him

food is looking GREEAT in here, I finally literally bought the last of the 1% CC in the store, I am going to try and snag some bulk Greek yogurt from BJ's this weekend. Whittling my HN Cheerios away and my frosted mini wheats :D

I am going to have to reduce cals feels bad man, i am going to cycle carbs and fats though at like 2100 cals lol

as far as casino games, blackjack is #1 and I dunno what every is talking about with the other card games but you know the best is...

Thanks brah! Means a bunch coming from you as I've seen some of your epic meals in MEN! I always have too much cereal in my pantry lol... I'm bad for buying more and more variety before I finish the old stuff

Shiitty. Why?

Blackjack FTW. Not gonna lie though, I have nooo idea what game you're referring to with that pic..? Maybe i'm overthinking it..

Awesome stuff jumping on the squats mate! And killing them too. Very strong for your bw for sure.

Impressed by the SLDL also.

Sounds like 2.0 CR is the king then. How as CnC in the pre-bed meal? (BnJ's sounds better than cottage cheese for sure:p)

Dunno anything about orange triad, but any multi that is making you take 6 pills a day is a waste of time/money. If it is a multi, next time, do yourself a favour and get a cheap generic brand!

Oh and btw, peep the second pic ;)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=610807143&postcount=1508

Means a lot to be commended on my workouts brah :D Thanks. I always wondered if I'm at a decent SLDL weight for my BW..?

I still have yet to try 2.0 LCP but CR is definitely godly! As you've now heard for the 1 000 000th time!

Can't say that CnC impressed in cottage cheese, not enough sweetness and didnt thicken it up nearly as much as ON casein does, but I only used half a scoop for almost 2 C cottage cheese so that may be why.. As for BnJs, see below.

Orange triad got good reviews, its not thaaat expensive (especially if i reduce serving size), and i could use the joint aspect of it so i thought i'd give it a go

This made my morning! Hahaha...but...whats the verdict!? You like?!

Squats!: 135x12 (getting form), 185x10x2, 205x10!!!!!!!

Heck yes duder! Rep's rep's rep's! You made my morning =) That is one thing you will never look back on! Once you get the form down its golden and it seems you did!

How do you like those Triad's? Worth the $$$?

Edit: BAH! Still on spread >_< will get you once I give some loving out!

Already loving this new leg workout routine! Thanks brah.. Hopefully I have the form down!

Havent noticed anything yet but only took 2 with breakfast yesterday (forgot to take another 2 at night cause im not used to having to).. But still yet to decide how many to take and when per day...Any advice? I'm thinking either 3 in the morning and thats it... or 2, twice a day. As far as $$$, there are 270 tabs for ~$29 so its not that bad, and the joint, immune support, and multi all-in-one sounds pretty cool

No love for the Hangover? :rolleyes:

Nice. I remember when I switched from the smith machine to the real stuff.....one of the best decisions I've made at the gym

Oh and go for the ice cream! It's not like you need the extra protein in the nighttime meal anyway

Love that movie! Funny no matter how many times we've all seen it :p

Agreed.. can already see it being one of my best as well

Planning on it! Just been so used to this "clean" night mean, ya know?! Fills me up and all dem carbz from sugarz in BnJs bring out the bad side of my thinking strategy when it comes to carbs :(

ErickStevens

01-14-2011, 07:44 AM

Slowly but surely getting this whole carbz are gonna make me fat non-sense out of my head, but, for the record I am really enjoying what I'm eating.. for now!

Carbs = 4 kcal per g
Protein = 4kcal per g

You're going to "get fat" from excess protein just like you'd "get fat" from excess carbs. Just some food for thought. (no pun intended)

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 08:41 AM

Carbs = 4 kcal per g
Protein = 4kcal per g

You're going to "get fat" from excess protein just like you'd "get fat" from excess carbs. Just some food for thought. (no pun intended)

Point taken. Trust me, I know the facts and know this is the case, just that unexplainable mental barrier I gotta get through. But honestly, the 350 cals i get from that whole bowl of CC is so much more satisfying than that one scoop of ice cream imo..
Sugar was my problem when I felt the need to overindulge and binge in the past :(

BRB going to store to stock up on kids cereal and BnJ :)

dustinh6719

01-14-2011, 09:36 AM

Oh and go for the ice cream! It's not like you need the extra protein in the nighttime meal anyway

This. 2 C of cottage cheese plus whey?
Replace some of that with carbs.

Planning on it! Just been so used to this "clean" night mean, ya know?! Fills me up and all dem carbz from sugarz in BnJs bring out the bad side of my thinking strategy when it comes to carbs :(

Most BnJ's are around 30 carbs per serving. Since when is that a lot?

Just some food for thought. (no pun intended)

Lol'd

Point taken. Trust me, I know the facts and know this is the case, just that unexplainable mental barrier I gotta get through. But honestly, the 350 cals i get from that whole bowl of CC is so much more satisfying than that one scoop of ice cream imo..
Sugar was my problem when I felt the need to overindulge and binge in the past :(

BRB going to store to stock up on kids cereal and BnJ :)

If sugar is your problem, why not eat a pb sandwhich or two? Much more satisfying than CC. :p

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 02:31 PM

This. 2 C of cottage cheese plus whey?
Replace some of that with carbs.

Most BnJ's are around 30 carbs per serving. Since when is that a lot?

If sugar is your problem, why not eat a pb sandwhich or two? Much more satisfying than CC. :p

I see what you're saying and agree brah :), slowly trying to open up..

Not that its a problem.. just scares me :p haha not too sure how to explain it but its just one of those things I have to get out of my head...bottom line is: a carb is a carb, whether from oatmeal or BnJ!.. a kcal is a kcal!.. and the fact that im currently getting excess protein that could be replaced by more carbs and it wouldnt come with a negative effect!

foodpr0n

01-14-2011, 02:34 PM

Can't say that CnC impressed in cottage cheese, not enough sweetness and didnt thicken it up nearly as much as ON casein does, but I only used half a scoop for almost 2 C cottage cheese so that may be why.. As for BnJs, see below.

Yep, I reckon that did contribute man LOL.

And yes, the bowl of oats etc was wiiiiicked. I take back my statement of Golden Grahams too - they are awesome IMO.

Planning on it! Just been so used to this "clean" night mean, ya know?! Fills me up and all dem carbz from sugarz in BnJs bring out the bad side of my thinking strategy when it comes to carbs :(
200g protein at most! :D

That's a bit over the 'top' recommendations of 1.5g/lb.

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 02:38 PM

Yep, I reckon that did contribute man LOL.

And yes, the bowl of oats etc was wiiiiicked. I take back my statement of Golden Grahams too - they are awesome IMO.

200g protein at most! :D

That's a bit over the 'top' recommendations of 1.5g/lb.

Haha might have to change up the ratio before judgment on that one eh :p

Glad you like the combo :) (srs)

I do realize this, and am planning to work on it! (see reply to dustin)

ian0789

01-14-2011, 03:26 PM

I dont know maybe its just me but whats the point if he is eating carbs or protein before bed. Its not like he is sleep lifting.

I dont like going to bed full as well, I find I sleep better if I just have something light. Thats just me, everyone is different.

I really enjoy eating my sludge XF LCP before bed vs a PB&J. I could see if it was all protein protein protein before and after workouts. Thats just me, then again eating 3K+ gives me a chance to get the best of both worlds from my carbs, pro and even mah fats!! =P

Heck I would take a steak and eggs vs pasta or a sandwich. Now put some proats in front of me and I will go to town on it!

agility2live

01-14-2011, 04:41 PM

Great, thanks. It's a big time hobby of mine now. I play online and read a lot about it on poker forums and whatnot.

Best way to get better at it is to play though. So I play as much as I can when time allows....which isn't that often due to work,uni,chilling with mates (ones who don't play) etc.

Nice! I play texas holdem on my itouch but it is fake money.. where I am now in the game makes me wish it was real though :p

I think that's a cool hobby as long as it doesn't get out of hand. so good luck to you :)

Not that its a problem.. just scares me :p haha not too sure how to explain it but its just one of those things I have to get out of my head...bottom line is: a carb is a carb, whether from oatmeal or BnJ!.. a kcal is a kcal!.. and the fact that im currently getting excess protein that could be replaced by more carbs and it wouldnt come with a negative effect!

I understand where you are coming from and I think the fact that you acknowledge it and are willing to put the effort to change your mindset is fantastic in itself.

now prove that you're not all just talk :D

I dont know maybe its just me but whats the point if he is eating carbs or protein before bed. Its not like he is sleep lifting.

I dont like going to bed full as well, I find I sleep better if I just have something light. Thats just me, everyone is different.

I really enjoy eating my sludge XF LCP before bed vs a PB&J. I could see if it was all protein protein protein before and after workouts. Thats just me, then again eating 3K+ gives me a chance to get the best of both worlds from my carbs, pro and even mah fats!! =P

Heck I would take a steak and eggs vs pasta or a sandwich. Now put some proats in front of me and I will go to town on it!

I would choose pasta or sandwich before steak and eggs anyday.
we come from different worlds :eek:

:p

dustinh6719

01-14-2011, 08:44 PM

I see what you're saying and agree brah :), slowly trying to open up..

Not that its a problem.. just scares me :p haha not too sure how to explain it but its just one of those things I have to get out of my head...bottom line is: a carb is a carb, whether from oatmeal or BnJ!.. a kcal is a kcal!.. and the fact that im currently getting excess protein that could be replaced by more carbs and it wouldnt come with a negative effect!

Dude, I know where your coming from. This is coming from a guy who ate sub 1000 cals for ~8 months, coming from almost pure protein. I've been down that path and still have lingering thoughts as well. It's a challenge to get it outta your head. Don't think I'm trying to tell you to load up on ice cream, candy, etc. I'm just saying that you'll have more energy, and feel better subbing out some protein for more carbs, Hows about subbing that serving of CC for an equal amount of oats? I know you put protein powder in your cc so have a bowl of proats instead. Just a suggestion.

I dont know maybe its just me but whats the point if he is eating carbs or protein before bed. Its not like he is sleep lifting.

That's not the point. I'm talking more carbs/less protein in general, not just in the prebed meal, it's just that that meal seems to be his highest protein meal.

I dont like going to bed full as well, I find I sleep better if I just have something light. Thats just me, everyone is different.

I really enjoy eating my sludge XF LCP before bed vs a PB&J. I could see if it was all protein protein protein before and after workouts. Thats just me, then again eating 3K+ gives me a chance to get the best of both worlds from my carbs, pro and even mah fats!! =P

Heck I would take a steak and eggs vs pasta or a sandwich. Now put some proats in front of me and I will go to town on it!

Pasta, proats, and fluffernutters all day errday! :p

I understand where you are coming from and I think the fact that you acknowledge it and are willing to put the effort to change your mindset is fantastic in itself.

now prove that you're not all just talk :D

I would choose pasta or sandwich before steak and eggs anyday.
we come from different worlds :eek:

:p

This girl know whats up.

agility2live

01-14-2011, 09:09 PM

Dude, I know where your coming from. This is coming from a guy who ate sub 1000 cals for ~8 months, coming from almost pure protein. I've been down that path and still have lingering thoughts as well. It's a challenge to get it outta your head. Don't think I'm trying to tell you to load up on ice cream, candy, etc. I'm just saying that you'll have more energy, and feel better subbing out some protein for more carbs, Hows about subbing that serving of CC for an equal amount of oats? I know you put protein powder in your cc so have a bowl of proats instead. Just a suggestion.

Pasta, proats, and fluffernutters all day errday! :p

This girl know whats up.

:D, same to you

good suggestions too. can't go wrong with another bowl of proats

foodpr0n

01-14-2011, 09:47 PM

PM box open 24/7 bro. Been there, done that.

Srs, ever need to discuss things/vent or whatever - just PM a brother.

agility2live

01-14-2011, 09:55 PM

PM box open 24/7 bro. Been there, done that.

Srs, ever need to discuss things/vent or whatever - just PM a brother.

aww it's the little things that make me really love this forum :p

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 10:19 PM

I understand where you are coming from and I think the fact that you acknowledge it and are willing to put the effort to change your mindset is fantastic in itself.

now prove that you're not all just talk :D

Thanks! and i accept that challenge :)

Dude, I know where your coming from. This is coming from a guy who ate sub 1000 cals for ~8 months, coming from almost pure protein. I've been down that path and still have lingering thoughts as well. It's a challenge to get it outta your head. Don't think I'm trying to tell you to load up on ice cream, candy, etc. I'm just saying that you'll have more energy, and feel better subbing out some protein for more carbs, Hows about subbing that serving of CC for an equal amount of oats? I know you put protein powder in your cc so have a bowl of proats instead. Just a suggestion.

I hear all that man, you definitely know whats up and it seems like we have more in common then i knew.. And I realize that it doesnt have to be a treat (not cheat) like ice cream or anything, but i also have to be confident in knowing these things are just as alright to eat as a bowl of proats, ya know. That sounds like a pretty easy substitution and a great tip! Thanks :) gonna figure it out.. I know i keep saying this but that bowl of CC is actually sooo good before bed though lol i like eating a nice, slow meal before hitting the sack (while lurking bb.com mostly :p)

PM box open 24/7 bro. Been there, done that.

Srs, ever need to discuss things/vent or whatever - just PM a brother.

Good to know my man.. means a lot (srs) :D.. It's things like this that make me so glad I started posting on BB.com and started this log

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 10:24 PM

Friday January 14, 2011

Workout: Shoulders+Core
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Seated DB Press: 45'sx10x2, 50x9 (one arm at a time) Rep PR (+1) DB Side crunches: 70lbs x12(each side)x3
Upward BB Row: 70x10x2, 80x8 PR Cable Crunches (Pulley): 140x20x3
Standing BB Military Press (Smith): 145x8x3 Rep PR (3 full sets @145) Leg raises: 20x3
BB Shrugs (Smith): 225x12x3 Lateral DB Front raises: 30'sx10x3
Plank/Side Plank variations: BW+25 60secondsx3

25 min brisk uphill walk (LISS, including cooldown)

Post-cardio:
Seated Shoulder Press (machine): 110x8,80x8,60x8,40x10 [Dropset]
Ab Crunch (machine):65x10(right oblique)x10(left oblique)x10(core)

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Crunchy PB cookies, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

Strawberry Myo Cream of Wheat and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1406/imageevj.jpg

XF Cinnamon Roll + Greek Yogurt + Oats + French Toast Crunch! + CTC PWO
Definitely one of my best combos to date!
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9003/imagezft.jpg

"Fish 'n' Chips": Garlic+herb broiled haddock and oven-baked fries with a whole bunch of cheesy broc on the side
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5923/imagewvp.jpg

Pre-bed: Vanilla Cottage cheese with PB&Co WCW and DCD, Ritter sport dark chocolate
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8124/imagesnp.jpg

This stuff is one of my new favourites fo sho
http://parthenonfoods.com/images/RitterSportDark70Perc100g.jpg

Macros: 2628 calories [240g Carb/254g Protein/80g Fat][/center]

Summary:

Another 8 AM class = half dead Bijan.. but once again, workout after school didn't suffer! Thanks Superpump MAX :) lol set a couple solid PR's but goddamn.. those DB presses take a lot out of me, I push em out pretty hard for my first exercise, and when you add even as little as 10lbs, it makes a huge diff (to me anyway :p) as those 50's are hard as fack to get up, hence the one arm-age (yes i know thats not a word)!

Food-wise, today was also similar to yesterday, which i didnt mind at all 'cause it was all tastayyy again.. Went shopping today though, picked up a whoooole bunch of shiit and typical "bro-food", but the other notables are: French toast crunch, Lucky charms, Golden grahams, more Pb&co, more variation of chocolate, and ice creeeeam :D

Mentally, all is well! Glad its the weekend! Only thing on my mind is tomorrow's day off lifting.. what's my plan again? I took my complete rest day this week so I was planning on a nice stretching routine and maybe some LISS?..

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

dustinh6719

01-14-2011, 10:40 PM

PM box open 24/7 bro. Been there, done that.

Srs, ever need to discuss things/vent or whatever - just PM a brother.

x2

I hear all that man, you definitely know whats up and it seems like we have more in common then i knew.. And I realize that it doesnt have to be a treat (not cheat) like ice cream or anything, but i also have to be confident in knowing these things are just as alright to eat as a bowl of proats, ya know. That sounds like a pretty easy substitution and a great tip! Thanks :) gonna figure it out.. I know i keep saying this but that bowl of CC is actually sooo good before bed though lol i like eating a nice, slow meal before hitting the sack (while lurking bb.com mostly :p)

Good deal bro.

XF Cinnamon Roll + Greek Yogurt + Oats + French Toast Crunch! + CTC PWO
Definitely one of my best combos to date!

Yessss! Do want FTC as well, never seen it

Pre-bed: Vanilla Cottage cheese with PB&Co WCW and DCD, Ritter sport dark chocolate

Just thought of this, a bowl of proats with the pb and dark chocolate on top would fit nicely here. :p

This stuff is one of my new favourites fo sho
I'll have to pick up some Ritter, I've been eating Ghirardelli.

See bold.

determined4000

01-14-2011, 10:43 PM

Did you mean cinnamon toast crunch? Or is there actually a french toast crunch?

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 10:44 PM

Friday January 14, 2011

Workout: Shoulders+Core
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Seated DB Press: 45'sx10x2, 50x9 (one arm at a time) Rep PR (+1) DB Side crunches: 70lbs x12(each side)x3
Upward BB Row: 70x10x2, 80x8 PR Cable Crunches (Pulley): 140x20x3
Standing BB Military Press (Smith): 145x8x3 Rep PR (3 full sets @145) Leg raises: 20x3
BB Shrugs (Smith): 225x12x3 Lateral DB Front raises: 30'sx10x3
Plank/Side Plank variations: BW+25 60secondsx3

25 min brisk uphill walk (LISS, including cooldown)

Post-cardio:
Seated Shoulder Press (machine): 110x8,80x8,60x8,40x10 [Dropset]
Ab Crunch (machine):65x10(right oblique)x10(left oblique)x10(core)

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Crunchy PB cookies, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

Strawberry Myo Cream of Wheat and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1406/imageevj.jpg

XF Cinnamon Roll + Greek Yogurt + Oats + French Toast Crunch! + CTC PWO
Definitely one of my best combos to date!
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9003/imagezft.jpg

"Fish 'n' Chips": Garlic+herb broiled haddock and oven-baked fries with a whole bunch of cheesy broc on the side
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5923/imagewvp.jpg

Pre-bed: Vanilla Cottage cheese with PB&Co WCW and DCD, Ritter sport dark chocolate
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8124/imagesnp.jpg

This stuff is one of my new favourites fo sho
http://parthenonfoods.com/images/RitterSportDark70Perc100g.jpg

Macros: 2628 calories [240g Carb/254g Protein/80g Fat][/center]

Summary:

Another 8 AM class = half dead Bijan.. but once again, workout after school didn't suffer! Thanks Superpump MAX lol set a couple solid PR's but goddamn.. those DB presses take a lot out of me, I push em out pretty hard for my first exercise, and when you add even as little as 10lbs, it makes a huge diff (to me anyway :p) as those 50's are hard as fack to get up, hence the one arm-age (yes i know thats not a word)!

Food-wise, today was also similar to yesterday, which i didnt mind at all 'cause it was all tastayyy again.. Went shopping today though, picked up a whoooole bunch of shiit and typical "bro-food", but the other notables are: French toast crunch, Lucky charms, Golden grahams, more Pb&co, more variation of chocolate, and ice creeeeam :D

Mentally, all is well! Glad its the weekend! Only thing on my mind is tomorrow's day off lifting.. what's my plan again? I took my complete rest day this week so I was planning on a nice stretching routine and maybe some LISS?..

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

Friendly Bump! hope no one minds but felt kinda stupid to keep this post as the last one on the page :p

bijsanei

01-14-2011, 10:49 PM

x2

Good deal bro.

See bold.

Thanks brah :), likewise! For whats its worth

:cool:

Ya the FTC was pretty darrrn good but still didnt touch CTC tbh.. and hows ghiradelli? have yet to try that brand at all..

Did you mean cinnamon toast crunch? Or is there actually a french toast crunch?

I wouldnt joke about my cereal bro..http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3552/3680484692_5ee9a411d4.jpg?v=0

Apparently its only in Canada :D (i was so surprised), but i would legit be willing to trade for some american cereal or something if anyones interested :)

dustinh6719

01-14-2011, 11:12 PM

Thanks brah :), likewise! For whats its worth

:cool:

Ya the FTC was pretty darrrn good but still didnt touch CTC tbh.. and hows ghiradelli? have yet to try that brand at all..

Apparently its only in Canada :D (i was so surprised), but i would legit be willing to trade for some american cereal or something if anyones interested :)

Ghirardelli's really good, but its the only chocolate of it's kind that I've had if ya know what I mean. I bought a bag of the holiday flavors egg nog, pecan pie, and peppermint bark. I've also had the Vanilla Dream and highly reccommend it if you like white chocolate.

Cereal trade you say? :cool:

ian0789

01-15-2011, 03:52 AM

Its boot leg cereal!

Did you mean light cardio and stretching on your off day? If so then no, just rest and eat. Stretching sure, that does the body great but dont try and burn off calories.

By the way whats your weight gains looking like, its been some time now =P Is it time to bump up the calories some more?

JValjean724

01-15-2011, 04:03 AM

Thanks! and i accept that challenge :)

I hear all that man, you definitely know whats up and it seems like we have more in common then i knew.. And I realize that it doesnt have to be a treat (not cheat) like ice cream or anything, but i also have to be confident in knowing these things are just as alright to eat as a bowl of proats, ya know. That sounds like a pretty easy substitution and a great tip! Thanks :) gonna figure it out.. I know i keep saying this but that bowl of CC is actually sooo good before bed though lol i like eating a nice, slow meal before hitting the sack (while lurking bb.com mostly :p)

You don't have to change your pre bed meal specifically....if you really like that large volume and slow relaxing meal which I completely understand then you can keep it how it is and just change around your other meals a bit. I would start adding things like Mashed Poatatoes, tortillas, beans, bread, pasta dishes, sour cream, butter, dumplings, baked goods, more cheese (mmmmmmmmm), couscous (if you have that there....by the way this stuff inflates to a great volume even for one serving), any kind of rice mix, etc. I'm sure you already know this, just trying to give you a few ideas :cool:

Another 8 AM class = half dead Bijan.. but once again, workout after school didn't suffer! Thanks Superpump MAX :) lol set a couple solid PR's but goddamn.. those DB presses take a lot out of me, I push em out pretty hard for my first exercise, and when you add even as little as 10lbs, it makes a huge diff (to me anyway :p) as those 50's are hard as fack to get up, hence the one arm-age (yes i know thats not a word)!

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan
I'm already on the final stretch of my workout by the time you're in class.....no complaining ;)

agility2live

01-15-2011, 07:29 AM

:eek:

french.. toast.. crunch

bijsanei

01-15-2011, 07:51 AM

Ghirardelli's really good, but its the only chocolate of it's kind that I've had if ya know what I mean. I bought a bag of the holiday flavors egg nog, pecan pie, and peppermint bark. I've also had the Vanilla Dream and highly reccommend it if you like white chocolate.

Cereal trade you say? :cool:

Did you say pecan pie!? :eek: dayummm that sounds good.. and no havent tried very much white chocolate at all.. gotta get on that

I'm down.

Its boot leg cereal!

Did you mean light cardio and stretching on your off day? If so then no, just rest and eat. Stretching sure, that does the body great but dont try and burn off calories.

By the way whats your weight gains looking like, its been some time now =P Is it time to bump up the calories some more?

Yes this is what I meant...I had a complete rest day a few days ago so on today's non-lifting day, my head is telling me to do just a bit of cardio then take my next non-lifting day completely off again.. that bad of a plan? It is still an improvement on my previous routine :p

Weigh in is Tuesday! but last couple weeks have been seeing movement on the scale in a positive way so kinda anxious to see what tuesday brings..as i did bump cals last week, but wouldnt have a problem bumpin em again :D

You don't have to change your pre bed meal specifically....if you really like that large volume and slow relaxing meal which I completely understand then you can keep it how it is and just change around your other meals a bit. I would start adding things like Mashed Poatatoes, tortillas, beans, bread, pasta dishes, sour cream, butter, dumplings, baked goods, more cheese (mmmmmmmmm), couscous (if you have that there....by the way this stuff inflates to a great volume even for one serving), any kind of rice mix, etc. I'm sure you already know this, just trying to give you a few ideas :cool:

I'm already on the final stretch of my workout by the time you're in class.....no complaining ;)

Gotcha JVal, you're right. I do already know it, but thanks for the pleasant reminder :)...I may just have to come down to your school! Caf food looks awesome! lol

Really eh?! Good for you.. I wish I was a morning person but lately i've been going to sleep much later than necessary lol

:eek:

french.. toast.. crunch

Dee.. lish.. us

ian0789

01-15-2011, 08:04 AM

franko man

01-15-2011, 10:18 AM

lol i like the layout of your meals man! much simialr to mine
gotta rep you on the idea of mixing oats, cereals, protein powder(i use whey though) and yogurt together. Definitely my favourite meal!! I could eat that all day
gl on the bulk man

dustinh6719

01-15-2011, 11:30 AM

You don't have to change your pre bed meal specifically....if you really like that large volume and slow relaxing meal which I completely understand then you can keep it how it is and just change around your other meals a bit. I would start adding things like Mashed Poatatoes, tortillas, beans, bread, pasta dishes, sour cream, butter, dumplings, baked goods, more cheese (mmmmmmmmm), couscous (if you have that there....by the way this stuff inflates to a great volume even for one serving), any kind of rice mix, etc. I'm sure you already know this, just trying to give you a few ideas :cool:

JVal's on spot here.

Did you say pecan pie!? :eek: dayummm that sounds good.. and no havent tried very much white chocolate at all.. gotta get on that

I'm down.

Really eh?! Good for you.. I wish I was a morning person but lately i've been going to sleep much later than necessary lol

Yea, pecan pie is the best one. ;) White chocolate is my personal favorite, I like how much sweeter it is and has more of a vanilla taste, but I'd choose vanilla over chocolate in alot of things.

What kind of American foods you interested in?

Same here. :p going to bed at 2-3 and waking up at 11-12 lol.

bijsanei

01-15-2011, 12:49 PM

Put it this way, if you keep doing stuff that is going to stop your body from healing its self and stunting growth then you might as well get a hamster wheel at start running on it!

Stay away from the cardio you dont need it, nor is it going to help you gain.

Unless you didnt move one bit since the time you woke up and have done nothing but lay in bed with out even moving a muscle Its point less to try and justified doing unneeded workout crap.

Literally did a whole bunch of nothing all day so after stretching did do a bit of cardio to get me going in the afternoon but wasnt feeling burnt out at all and kept it at a low intensity.. Only time in the next week at least i'll be doing strictly cardio so didnt see it as a prob as my next non-lifting day will completely be for rest for sure..

Hows your progress coming anyway brah?

lol i like the layout of your meals man! much simialr to mine
gotta rep you on the idea of mixing oats, cereals, protein powder(i use whey though) and yogurt together. Definitely my favourite meal!! I could eat that all day
gl on the bulk man

Thanks dude :) and YES i love that shiit! Lol look forward to a combo everyday after my workout..like an incentive :p

JVal's on spot here.

Yea, pecan pie is the best one. ;) White chocolate is my personal favorite, I like how much sweeter it is and has more of a vanilla taste, but I'd choose vanilla over chocolate in alot of things.

What kind of American foods you interested in?

Same here. :p going to bed at 2-3 and waking up at 11-12 lol.

Agreed.

Planning on trying some white chocolate in the near future.. and not worrying about the extra carbz obv :p lol

Def some cereal! Lol cant think of anything else off the top of my head, but you have any suggestions?! As for cereal, would love to try cinnabon, eggo, pb cap'n crunch, cookie crisp...

THIS! I've been used to it for so long now that its almost a routine.. hence why the 8 o'clock class hits me like a brick wall

dustinh6719

01-15-2011, 01:14 PM

Def some cereal! Lol cant think of anything else off the top of my head, but you have any suggestions?! As for cereal, would love to try cinnabon, eggo, pb cap'n crunch, cookie crisp...

Can definetly do all those dude. Why don't you PM me a list of what you want and your shipping address and I'll figure out the shipping deal and we'll go from there. Any other canada only cereal (as if FTC isn't enough :p )?

ian0789

01-15-2011, 01:34 PM

Literally did a whole bunch of nothing all day so after stretching did do a bit of cardio to get me going in the afternoon but wasnt feeling burnt out at all and kept it at a low intensity.. Only time in the next week at least i'll be doing strictly cardio so didnt see it as a prob as my next non-lifting day will completely be for rest for sure..

Hows your progress coming anyway brah?

Good man! Yea you gotta love the sitting on your butt on day, days!

As for me, I just finished my Deload this week. It was probably the biggest mind fook I have ever done but over all really happy about it. I was stalling a bit on some lifts and felt it was time to give in. After all I hear nothing but great things about them and I can see why now!

I been stalling on weight gains at 3300workout and 3k off so If this keeps up for a few more days will bump calories up. If I can keep at 1/2 a lb a week I will be happy. I seem to have hit this 153-154 mark and cant get over it! Gerrrrrr....

Over all I am happy with my progress tho, I feel I got my body semi back into the swing of things. People keep telling me I look a lot better every day. I my self dont really see it so I just keep chugging along and doing my daily things!

One step at a time right =)

Check your PM box btw, sent you something in regards to something you sent me a while back!

bijsanei

01-15-2011, 02:49 PM

Can definetly do all those dude. Why don't you PM me a list of what you want and your shipping address and I'll figure out the shipping deal and we'll go from there. Any other canada only cereal (as if FTC isn't enough :p )?

Check you PM box in 5 min :)

Good man! Yea you gotta love the sitting on your butt on day, days!

As for me, I just finished my Deload this week. It was probably the biggest mind fook I have ever done but over all really happy about it. I was stalling a bit on some lifts and felt it was time to give in. After all I hear nothing but great things about them and I can see why now!

I been stalling on weight gains at 3300workout and 3k off so If this keeps up for a few more days will bump calories up. If I can keep at 1/2 a lb a week I will be happy. I seem to have hit this 153-154 mark and cant get over it! Gerrrrrr....

Over all I am happy with my progress tho, I feel I got my body semi back into the swing of things. People keep telling me I look a lot better every day. I my self dont really see it so I just keep chugging along and doing my daily things!

One step at a time right =)

Check your PM box btw, sent you something in regards to something you sent me a while back!

<<<Glad i didnt get ragged on for doing a bitta cardio :p

All sounds good man! I have also heard about this "deload" business a lot recently.. sounds pretty cool and may be something i should use in the near future! Would def be a mind fack for me too though so not sure if i could bring myself to do it :p.. Either way, still hittin my PR's and feelin pretty good so wont worry about it just yet!

One at a time indeed, keep it up! :D

Just replied.

foodpr0n

01-15-2011, 04:40 PM

bijsanei

01-15-2011, 10:05 PM

FTC...yep hate you:p

Haha, you think Canada is bad for cereals, try Australia :mad:

I'm up at 6am err'day! :cool:

Again, your workout - fark. Putting into context what you weigh, and that is damn good stuff you're moving there mate!
How are your negatives on those 2-3 sec and controlled I hope?

Off day Q: LISS? NO. Stretching is fine. But don't actively do anything. Unless of course someone asks you to play tennis or play hockey (is that what you canadians do:p) or something - don't reject. But you plan to take the day OFF.
LISS would = cardio day :)

Theyre pretty good but CTC still takes the cake...well...takes the cereal in this case lol :p

Ey! Don't think I didnt see that australian style cookie crisp in MEN! And milo..? you guys make that sound delish

Thanks brah :) good to hear.. and yes sir! Try my best to keep negs nice n slowwww

Too late, already did a bit of cardio but technically today couldve been called cardio day as my rest day was a few days ago.. PS I love tennis :D not so much hockey though..

bijsanei

01-15-2011, 10:08 PM

Saturday January 15, 2011

Workout: Cardio

30 minutes, variation of uphill and jog on treadmill (LISS, stretching/cooldown included)

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Crunchy PB cookies, Xtend Intra-workout

Bagel w/ cream cheese and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
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Pitas! Bacon, egg and cheese, and three turkey breast and mozzarella
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Two homemade garlic+herb turkey burgers in pita w/ Jalapeno cheddar, and sauteed mushrooms and onions..with some measly looking broccoli on the side lol
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Pre-bed: XF cinnamon roll Cottage cheese with PB&Co DCD, Ritter sport dark chocolate and Cocoa roast almonds
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Love these things
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Macros: 2528 calories [155g Carb/270g Protein/106g Fat][/center]

Summary:

The second weekend of my new unemployed, student lifestyle left me pretty bored today as I'm not used to having this much free time… not only wasn't i working in a busy retail store, but i didn't have to go to the gym! This left me pretty bored tbh, lol… was planning on going out tonight with friends but a huge snowfall today took that outta the equation :p… so today consisted of a bunch of xbox 360, grocery shopping with the parents, and a little cardio.

Instinctively went "lo-carb" on food choices today as it was a non-lifting day and thats the easier way for me to eliminate cals…so the use of high protein, low carb pitas was evident! Haha..oh well, cant say those burgers weren't delicious ;)

Hopefully weather clears up tomorrow so I can easily get out and about, as i'm looking forward to pull day and getting back to the gym, but not having to go back to school for another day! Thought today was Sunday for a while lol.. Feelsgoodman.

Thanks again for tuning in, Later,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-15-2011, 10:22 PM

You didnt see Moose's journal today by any chance did you?

bijsanei

01-15-2011, 10:35 PM

You didnt see Moose's journal today by any chance did you?

In regards to protein consumption i gather? Point taken...was just easier to get my cals from protein rather than more fat/carbs today..dont see it being a huge deal.. musta been those high protein pitas :p

The Big Sleep

01-15-2011, 10:37 PM

You didnt see Moose's journal today by any chance did you?

THIS.

...was just easier to get my cals from protein rather than more fat/carbs today..dont see it being a huge deal..p Protein is known for having very satiating effects on hunger, so how you find it easier to eat a sh*t ton of protein vs. say, a sweet potato with peanut butter, is far beyond me :confused: And it is a big deal...

Mother of Mercy you guys are eating more protein than 90% of the Pro Natural Bodybuilders do. I honestly dont know how your stomach isnt gassy/bloated as all hell with that kind of protein intake man...dont even want to imagine the
"protein farts" that may be going on :eek:.

Said it to Moose and Ill say it here: Carbs will not kill you.

Honestly, who cares if its a rest/off day, keep the carbs in; its not like your metabolism senses that you haven't touched a weight in "X" amount of hours and isn't going to utilize the carbs you give it. Its just like the notion of people who fear carbs before bed, it has no scientific basis simply because your metabolism doesn't change just because its night time.
Your body is going to use whatever you give it for the purposes of survival and regeneration...carbs help with both of those things.

Not trying to be a d*ck, but Im just speaking from experiences that I just started to realize a few months ago after YEARS of thinking otherwise with no factual reasoning to backup my distorted train of thought about needing TONS of protein and keeping carbs low.

determined4000

01-15-2011, 10:50 PM

In regards to protein consumption i gather? Point taken...was just easier to get my cals from protein rather than more fat/carbs today..dont see it being a huge deal.. musta been those high protein pitas :p

he got called out for eating 20g of protein less, while weighing 12+ lbs more
so yeah

And if you want to say you are carb cycling, that would mean you would jack up your fat
and for us to see a High day when protein is around 1g/lb and carbs are 2.5-3g/lb

I admit to going high on the protein too but never drop carbs low anymore or else I find the next days workout suffers big time.

bijsanei

01-16-2011, 12:03 AM

THIS.

Protein is known for having very satiating effects on hunger, so how you find it easier to eat a sh*t ton of protein vs. say, a sweet potato with peanut butter, is far beyond me :confused: And it is a big deal...

Mother of Mercy you guys are eating more protein than 90% of the Pro Natural Bodybuilders do. I honestly dont know how your stomach isnt gassy/bloated as all hell with that kind of protein intake man...dont even want to imagine the
"protein farts" that may be going on :eek:.

Said it to Moose and Ill say it here: Carbs will not kill you.

Honestly, who cares if its a rest/off day, keep the carbs in; its not like your metabolism senses that you haven't touched a weight in "X" amount of hours and isn't going to utilize the carbs you give it. Its just like the notion of people who fear carbs before bed, it has no scientific basis simply because your metabolism doesn't change just because its night time.
Your body is going to use whatever you give it for the purposes of survival and regeneration...carbs help with both of those things.

Not trying to be a d*ck, but Im just speaking from experiences that I just started to realize a few months ago after YEARS of thinking otherwise with no factual reasoning to backup my distorted train of thought about needing TONS of protein and keeping carbs low.

he got called out for eating 20g of protein less, while weighing 12+ lbs more
so yeah

And if you want to say you are carb cycling, that would mean you would jack up your fat
and for us to see a High day when protein is around 1g/lb and carbs are 2.5-3g/lb

I admit to going high on the protein too but never drop carbs low anymore or else I find the next days workout suffers big time.

You guys have to realize I am not trying to argue with you at all... I actually am trying to acknowledge and agree with what you are saying.. Its a mental thing im working on.. I know you both are very smart and know what mental issues im talking about.

I didnt think 155g carbs for my weight was THAT low tbh, but that amount of protein is definitely unnecessary.. I didnt mean it was physically easier to eat more protein than fat/carbs today, just quicker and easier in general (trust me, i'd rather sub those pitas out for some nice bread or a sweet potato, just that theyre so easy to whip together..)

All excuses and such aside, once again I know what you guys are saying and am willing to look it at from youre point of view, get out of my own stupid train of thought, and change it up!

Thanks for posting (srs) :)

JValjean724

01-16-2011, 04:09 AM

I didnt think 155g carbs for my weight was THAT low tbh, but that amount of protein is definitely unnecessary.. I didnt mean it was physically easier to eat more protein than fat/carbs today, just quicker and easier in general (trust me, i'd rather sub those pitas out for some nice bread or a sweet potato, just that theyre so easy to whip together..)

I''m about the same weight as you and feel terrible below 230ish g of carbs. I know this because sometimes I'm feeling really sluggish/tired despite gettitng plenty of sleep, and then I look at my macros for the day and I'll only have a little over a 100g of carbs so far. I completely understand not getting in enough carbs by accident, as it happens to me all the time (but then I make up for it by eating like 4 oz of pasta for dinner and oatmeal before bed or something like that).

Just try a high carb day and see how you feel compared to a normal day and you'll know what I mean.

Again, I hate to be "calling you out" and I don't mean to......all of us posting here are just trying to help and I can say that with 100% confidence.....don't be discouraged by what seems like a bunch of people ganging up on you at the moment

ian0789

01-16-2011, 04:13 AM

30 minutes, variation of uphill and jog on treadmill (LISS, stretching/cooldown included)

See now you will catch some heat for this.

You do get that the day or two after you lift your body is still recovering and even tho you didnt lift that day your body still needs the calories to grow. So you drop your Cal to 2500 and did LISS but that LISS was done AFTER a Uphill and Jog on a treadmill.

You then called it an off day and ate a **** ton of protein and kept the carbs so damn low its not even funny. You trained, tried to say it was JUST a light day and ate less.

If you said it was easy to cut calories out by cutting some fat to drop calories well yeah that would be easy but fact is Pro and Carb are both 4 Calories per gram, unless you only have a crap ton of high protein foods in your house....but I know you have boot leg cereals!

Why are you trying to bulk but yet keep doing stuff to keep weight low. Would you like to know what I found out this week while doing my Deload. Its sunday and I woke up at 152.6lb. All I did was take a leak in the morning and got butt naked then jumped on my scale. During this week I did Cardio 2x times vs 4x times. I trained lighter due to it was a Deload but at the same time still kept my calories around the same amount and in the end I lost some weight as I started this Deload at 154 last week.

Give your body a break man, If you are overtraining your noob gains are going to stall. You wont gain muscle nor will you burn fat. You will do nothing at all and turn the wheels over and over again. Stop trying to burn off calories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if you dont get it drilled into your head by now then for the love of god if you train and even if its just LISS crap then eat the same calories you would eat on a lifting day.

I my self add a few more calories on top of my normal 3k on training days. This is because I work a job that has me running around for 8hrs + I probably burn off a ton of calories just from working a full time job.

Its ok, I still <3 you so dont take this post as some hate but you gotta stop with the dropping calories then doing cardio or attacking low carb foods. If I see you eat 2800 calories in steak then you wont hear a peep out of me. But dont try and beat around the bush and go out of your way to eat low carb foods

Btw that Oats,Protein Powder, Egg, Microwave combo is amazing. Been adding pumpkin in on top of that before cooking. That stuff is amazing! Eat more of it.... I approve!

O and as for 150ish carbs doesnt seem low for your weight 0.o People that are Endomorphs keep carbs that low. You might have been heavy at one point but you are skinny as **** at this point in time.

ErickStevens

01-16-2011, 05:28 AM

Jogging is not LISS. Please stop.

bijsanei

01-16-2011, 09:25 AM

I''m about the same weight as you and feel terrible below 230ish g of carbs. I know this because sometimes I'm feeling really sluggish/tired despite gettitng plenty of sleep, and then I look at my macros for the day and I'll only have a little over a 100g of carbs so far. I completely understand not getting in enough carbs by accident, as it happens to me all the time (but then I make up for it by eating like 4 oz of pasta for dinner and oatmeal before bed or something like that).

Just try a high carb day and see how you feel compared to a normal day and you'll know what I mean.

Again, I hate to be "calling you out" and I don't mean to......all of us posting here are just trying to help and I can say that with 100% confidence.....don't be discouraged by what seems like a bunch of people ganging up on you at the moment

See now you will catch some heat for this.

You do get that the day or two after you lift your body is still recovering and even tho you didnt lift that day your body still needs the calories to grow. So you drop your Cal to 2500 and did LISS but that LISS was done AFTER a Uphill and Jog on a treadmill.

You then called it an off day and ate a **** ton of protein and kept the carbs so damn low its not even funny. You trained, tried to say it was JUST a light day and ate less.

If you said it was easy to cut calories out by cutting some fat to drop calories well yeah that would be easy but fact is Pro and Carb are both 4 Calories per gram, unless you only have a crap ton of high protein foods in your house....but I know you have boot leg cereals!

Why are you trying to bulk but yet keep doing stuff to keep weight low. Would you like to know what I found out this week while doing my Deload. Its sunday and I woke up at 152.6lb. All I did was take a leak in the morning and got butt naked then jumped on my scale. During this week I did Cardio 2x times vs 4x times. I trained lighter due to it was a Deload but at the same time still kept my calories around the same amount and in the end I lost some weight as I started this Deload at 154 last week.

Give your body a break man, If you are overtraining your noob gains are going to stall. You wont gain muscle nor will you burn fat. You will do nothing at all and turn the wheels over and over again. Stop trying to burn off calories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if you dont get it drilled into your head by now then for the love of god if you train and even if its just LISS crap then eat the same calories you would eat on a lifting day.

I my self add a few more calories on top of my normal 3k on training days. This is because I work a job that has me running around for 8hrs + I probably burn off a ton of calories just from working a full time job.

Its ok, I still <3 you so dont take this post as some hate but you gotta stop with the dropping calories then doing cardio or attacking low carb foods. If I see you eat 2800 calories in steak then you wont hear a peep out of me. But dont try and beat around the bush and go out of your way to eat low carb foods

Btw that Oats,Protein Powder, Egg, Microwave combo is amazing. Been adding pumpkin in on top of that before cooking. That stuff is amazing! Eat more of it.... I approve!

O and as for 150ish carbs doesnt seem low for your weight 0.o People that are Endomorphs keep carbs that low. You might have been heavy at one point but you are skinny as **** at this point in time.

JVal, thanks for the tips brah! Haven't noticed so much of a difference in energy levels yet but maybe thats cause i've never really been running on high carbs!

Its awesome that you guys are saying this stuff to try and help and really appreciate it (srs).. I'm going to try and step my game up, and get out of this high protein routine eating.. It's probably going to take time so dont give up on me! lol Just know that I know what needs to be done and I'm going to make a conscious effort :)

Ian, first off, thanks for the <3.. right back at ya dude (no homo).. As much as this doesnt justify the cardio on my off day along with eating less.. the LISS was the jog/walk that I mentioned in that post.. there was no other LISS done after this like you mentioned.

All that you said i agree with and dont see it as hate at all.. I opened this thread to receive both the good and bad when it comes to criticism.. so no worries here :)

Glad you like the concotion! Its pretty flexible too, like you said, pumpkin is a good idea, but i was thinking some sweet potato puree ;)

Can't say i've ever really heard that (bolded) before :p

Jogging is not LISS. Please stop.

Surprisingly my heart rate stayed in the LISS range (~60%) which is why I felt safe calling it LISS. That being said however, is no justification of this cardio and have not just read off my computer screen, but really taken all this advice in :)

Thanks again brahs!

-Bijan

dustinh6719

01-16-2011, 09:56 AM

I''m about the same weight as you and feel terrible below 230ish g of carbs.

Just try a high carb day and see how you feel compared to a normal day and you'll know what I mean.

Again, I hate to be "calling you out" and I don't mean to......all of us posting here are just trying to help and I can say that with 100% confidence.....don't be discouraged by what seems like a bunch of people ganging up on you at the moment

Take it as a challenge this week to try some higher carb days and see if you don't have better workouts/recovery. Try something like 200g protein (max) and 280g carbs on your WO days at least. The sooner your get outta your comfort zone, the better.

Whats your highest carb meal on WO days?

JVal, thanks for the tips brah! Haven't noticed so much of a difference in energy levels yet but maybe thats cause i've never really been running on high carbs!

Thats because you haven't been consistent on higher carbs.

bijsanei

01-16-2011, 01:24 PM

Take it as a challenge this week to try some higher carb days and see if you don't have better workouts/recovery. Try something like 200g protein (max) and 280g carbs on your WO days at least. The sooner your get outta your comfort zone, the better.

Whats your highest carb meal on WO days?

Gonna try and change it up this week for sure! Might be a slow change, but i totally understand whats going on and going to feel it out and hopefully take steps in the right direction everyday :)

Highest carb meal would probably be my dinner Post-PWO (potato+veggies+meat)..either that or my PWO with 2 servings of cereal/oats

Thats because you haven't been consistent on higher carbs.

This is what I was implying brah! ;)

bijsanei

01-16-2011, 10:06 PM

Sunday January 16, 2011

Workout: Pull (Back/biceps)
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Wide-grip Lat Pulldown: 160x10x3 Rep PR (3 sets @160lbs)
Seated close-grip cable row: 160x10x3 Rep PR (3 sets @160lbs)
Preacher curl with EZ-Bar: Bar+50lbs x12x2, Bar+60x10 DB Wrist curls: 35x10(each arm)x3
Close inside-grip Lat pulldown: 160x10x3 Rep PR (3 sets @160lbs)
Bent over BB row (palms up): 145x10x2, 155x8 PR (+10lbs) Cable Drag curls: 40 (each arm)x10x2, 45x8 PR (+5lbs)
Lower back raises on half chair: BW+45x15x3 DB Hammer curls: 30'sx10x3

Brisk uphill walk: 25 min ([LISS] including cooldown/stretching)

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

Banana myo cream of wheat and Turkey bacon+Egg white omelet
Haven't used banana in a while… today was a reminder of how darn good it is lol
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PWO: ON Vanilla + Greek yogurt + Oats + Golden Grahams
Golden grahams are legit!..thanks food :)
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Garlic 'n' herb grilled haddock, with cajun fries and steamed broccoli and mozzarella
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Ben & Jerry's 'Milk 'n' Cookies'
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Pre-bed: XF CPB Cottage cheese, crunchy pb cookies, Ritter sport dark chocolate
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Macros: 2629 calories [250g Carb/239g Protein/75g Fat][/center]

Summary:

Slept in beautifully today. This may have helped with my workout even after that low-carbage garbage i pulled yesterday! That, and superpump max :p.. Tried to get all my sets in at my max weights and pretty much succeeded. Feltgoodman. Even set a new PR on my bent over rows! Felt like i had wings after this one, yet no soreness!

Other than workout, just a relaxing Sunday, played 360 for a good couple hours as I just got the new NFS game yesterday… spent the rest of the day with the family (went for coffee) and in the gym!

Food-wise, most of my day was pretty routine, but I did throw a little curve ball in at night if ya didn't notice! Haha.. was looking forward to it all afternoon.. Very solid flavour! Even though i've only tried 3…lol

Back to the grind (school) tomorrow! Thanks again for tuning in, till then,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-16-2011, 10:12 PM

Weren't u eating the cookies earlier in the day every day anyways?

Nice PRs though

foodpr0n

01-16-2011, 10:14 PM

Ahh yeah Golden Grahams are really good :D

They've grown on me a LOT over the past few times eating them. Having again later tonight too:p

Bang! Big time workout. Again, I'm pretty amazed at your strength the bodyweight ratio. Everything is really solid bud. +10lbs on the rows is siick.

I say, if you're really gonna give it a go - do one high carb day next week. Get a bunch of yummy ass carbs in and enjoy it. I know all this info is coming in fast, so you can/should ease into it for piece of mind. Lower fat on this day a bit though. Something like

-180g protein (protein gets lowered with the higher carbs but it's STILL at like 1.3g/lb which is high...generally on a re-feed or a high carb day you limit protein to 1g/lb)
-60-65g fat
-375g carbs.

^Ideally, that's what I think you should be eating like all the time btw. :cool: or something along the lines of;
185g protein
360g carbs
70g fat
~2800kcal

**That's if YOU want to take the advice. :)

bijsanei

01-16-2011, 10:31 PM

Weren't u eating the cookies earlier in the day every day anyways?

Nice PRs though

No, usually later at night.. just always kept everything i wasnt taking pics of at the beginning under 'Not pictured'

Thanks dude!

Ahh yeah Golden Grahams are really good :D

They've grown on me a LOT over the past few times eating them. Having again later tonight too:p

Bang! Big time workout. Again, I'm pretty amazed at your strength the bodyweight ratio. Everything is really solid bud. +10lbs on the rows is siick.

I say, if you're really gonna give it a go - do one high carb day next week. Get a bunch of yummy ass carbs in and enjoy it. I know all this info is coming in fast, so you can/should ease into it for piece of mind. Lower fat on this day a bit though. Something like

-180g protein (protein gets lowered with the higher carbs but it's STILL at like 1.3g/lb which is high...generally on a re-feed or a high carb day you limit protein to 1g/lb)
-60-65g fat
-375g carbs.

^Ideally, that's what I think you should be eating like all the time btw. :cool: or something along the lines of;
185g protein
360g carbs
70g fat
~2800kcal

**That's if YOU want to take the advice. :)

Golden grahams are the booomb man! Epic combo too with the vanilla! Lol glad i took you up on those..

Thanks brah! Awesome hearing that kinda stuff :D

As for diet, I hope today was a step in the right direction and only see it getting easier for me to change it up from here. I would consider a high carb day like that but we'll see how this baby step process goes first :p, hopefully work into a macro setup like the one you posted (thanks for the advice brah :)), but for now i'm going to see how/if some slower altering of the diet change things both on and off the scale.. Sound good?

ErickStevens

01-17-2011, 04:07 AM

If I don't see less than 200g protein in your next update, I won't post in here again.

Do or do not, there is no try.

JValjean724

01-17-2011, 05:20 AM

Macros: 2629 calories [250g Carb/239g Protein/75g Fat][/center]

Summary:

Slept in beautifully today. This may have helped with my workout even after that low-carbage garbage i pulled yesterday! That, and superpump max :p.. Tried to get all my sets in at my max weights and pretty much succeeded. Feltgoodman. Even set a new PR on my bent over rows! Felt like i had wings after this one, yet no soreness!

Other than workout, just a relaxing Sunday, played 360 for a good couple hours as I just got the new NFS game yesterday… spent the rest of the day with the family (went for coffee) and in the gym!

Food-wise, most of my day was pretty routine, but I did throw a little curve ball in at night if ya didn't notice! Haha.. was looking forward to it all afternoon.. Very solid flavour! Even though i've only tried 3…lol

Back to the grind (school) tomorrow! Thanks again for tuning in, till then,

-Bijan

Wtf school on MLK day? That's racist! lol

As far as the high protein, are you having any stomach or digestive issues? I know all of last year when I was eating probably around the same amount of protein as you I had terrible gas, stomach pains, and difficulty in the bathroom (sorry for the tmi). Since lowering protein significantly and raising carbs I've had virtually no issues in that department.

Just a thought.

And you made a good choice with Milk and Cookies...one of the better flavors

As for diet, I hope today was a step in the right direction and only see it getting easier for me to change it up from here. I would consider a high carb day like that but we'll see how this baby step process goes first :p, hopefully work into a macro setup like the one you posted (thanks for the advice brah :)), but for now i'm going to see how/if some slower altering of the diet change things both on and off the scale.. Sound good?

agility2live

01-17-2011, 05:53 AM

Last meal should've been proats instead of cottage cheese..
but you knew that right? :\

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 08:41 AM

If I don't see less than 200g protein in your next update, I won't post in here again.

Do or do not, there is no try.

Woah. I respect you a lot brah, even though i dont even know you. I hope you can show some compassion when I tell you this was shocking for me to see. But maybe its just what I needed. I've tried making some major changes to todays diet after reading this, but I didnt read it until after breakfast so that mightve still been a bit heavy on the protein (had proats). As for the rest of the day, made some major changes and abolished the large volume of cottage cheese at night, which I hope you can appreciate :)... I dont know what this is called if its not called "trying", but thats what Im doing ;)

Heres what todays macros are planned to like as of now: 205g P/279g C/73g F

Sound good?

Wtf school on MLK day? That's racist! lol

Tell me about it! Brb, starting a petition.. (not srs :p)

As far as the high protein, are you having any stomach or digestive issues? I know all of last year when I was eating probably around the same amount of protein as you I had terrible gas, stomach pains, and difficulty in the bathroom (sorry for the tmi). Since lowering protein significantly and raising carbs I've had virtually no issues in that department.

Just a thought.

And you made a good choice with Milk and Cookies...one of the better flavors

Last meal should've been proats instead of cottage cheese..
but you knew that right? :\

No noticeable digestive issues, pains, or difficulty umm..well, you know :p... but as much heat as im getting (not complaining, just sayin') regarding my protein levels has got to me and I have made changes affective today (see above ^^^:D)

We'll see how this affects me in/out of the gym and on/off the scale as weigh in is scheduled for tomorrow anyway!

ErickStevens

01-17-2011, 09:10 AM

Heres what todays macros are planned to like as of now: 205g P/279g C/73g F

Sound good?

Better. I'd like it to look more like 180/250/100 IMO.

dustinh6719

01-17-2011, 09:16 AM

Heres what todays macros are planned to like as of now: 205g P/279g C/73g F

Sound good?

We'll see how this affects me in/out of the gym and on/off the scale as weigh in is scheduled for tomorrow anyway!

Lots better. Remember, stay consistent with this. Not even a gram higher on the protein this whole week. Ideally, next you'll be doing what food suggested. ;)

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 09:33 AM

Better. I'd like it to look more like 180/250/100 IMO.

Better is good :), thanks man... does this mean you'll stick around on my journey? (I'm def in on yours ;))

As for macros, lower the carbs and up fats in your opinion?.. Hmm

Lots better. Remember, stay consistent with this. Not even a gram higher on the protein this whole week. Ideally, next you'll be doing what food suggested. ;)

Cool:cool:, thanks for the help again! Gonna try this rough macro layout for the week! Think I might like it! I do love my proats and sweet potatoes :D

dustinh6719

01-17-2011, 09:39 AM

As for macros, lower the carbs and up fats in your opinion?.. Hmm

Bottom line, lower protein. If you have test issues, higher fat like Erick suggested, but your fat looks fine, definetly no lower though.

Cool:cool:, thanks for the help again! Gonna try this rough macro layout for the week! Think I might like it! I do love my proats and sweet potatoes :D

Heavy on the oats? :p

ErickStevens

01-17-2011, 09:43 AM

Hit your calorie goal while taking in no more than 200g of protein and reaching satisfactory levels of fat intake. That's what I would try to do.

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 10:11 AM

Bottom line, lower protein. If you have test issues, higher fat like Erick suggested, but your fat looks fine, definetly no lower though.

Heavy on the oats? :p

Ya i thought my fat was alright and even a bit high for my weight, so wont be changing that too much...think im gonna like carbs better :)

'Course! ;)

PS those eats you posted in MEN today... look... EPIC!

Hit your calorie goal while taking in no more than 200g of protein and reaching satisfactory levels of fat intake. That's what I would try to do.

Right, so carbs and fats probably will show some flux but I'll keep my fats up to par at minimum... Thanks again Eric! We cool? ;) lol (no homo)

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 10:02 PM

Monday January 17, 2011

Workout: Push (Chest/triceps) + Light Core
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

Incline DB Bench Press: 45'sx10x2, 50'sx8 DB Side Crunches: 70'sx12x3
Incline DB Fly's: 45'sx8x3 Rep PR (3 full sets w/ 45's) Rotating Sit-up cycle: 20x3
DB Standing Skullcrush: 50x10, 55x8x2 Rep PR (2 sets @ 55lbs)
Hammer Strength Decline Press: 70x10x3 Rep PR (@70)
Tricep Dips: BW+35x12x3 Rep PR Leg Raises (Ab Chair): 20x3
Decline Cable Fly's: 50x10x2, 60x9 Rep PR (+2 @60lbs) Tricep cable Pulldown: 50x12, 60x12x2 PR

Brisk uphill walk: 25 min (including cooldown/stretching)

Post-cardio: Hammer strength flat bench: 165x8, 135x8, 105x8, 75x10, 45x10 [dropset]

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

Myofusion CnC Proats
Nothin' special taste-wise.. but thick as faaack! (no homo)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2077/imageba.jpg

PWO: ON Vanilla + Greek yogurt + Oats + Lucky Charms
First time trying these too! Impressed, but not in my top ranks..
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7470/imagevpn.jpg

Garlic 'n' herb grilled haddock, with cinnamon sweet 'tater fries and steamed broccoli
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2037/imagealw.jpg

XF Choc PB Proats
So simple, yet so darn good
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6204/imagecls.jpg

Ben & Jerry's 'Chunky Monkey'
My second fav (out of 3 tried lol)
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6192/imagewto.jpg

Pre-bed: XF CPB Cottage cheese, crunchy pb cookies
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8804/imageqsk.jpg

Macros: 2628 calories [279g Carb/205g Protein/73g Fat]
Check 'em out ^ ;)

Summary:

Once again, early class suuucked! And not only was today the "most depressing day of the year", but it was also the coldest of this winter (-25 degrees C when I left home to walk to school)! PS, the boring proats were simply a result of the rush I was in lol

'Nother solid workout today! Felt awesome regardless of not the best sleep last night.. Upped most of my chest/tri exercises one way or another and got out of the Smith for my Incline Press! (Shout out to you Ian).. The result was my chest and triceps feeling destroyed by the end of today, but not in a bad way.. felt massive, not gonna lie

Food-wise, and from a mental point of view, looks like today was a fairly good day day when it came to macros foods! Right?.. Hopefully was a big step in the right direction for me and i think now that I've made the change in a day, wont be hard to keep it up and keep changing.. Although this may seem like a small change, took some effort on my part (mentally), but cant say I didn't LOVE todays eats! Thanks guys :) <3 (no homo, once again), well see how it effects tomorrows weigh in and workout, any predictions?

Thanks again for tuning in, till next time,

-Bijan

determined4000

01-17-2011, 10:04 PM

macros and workout look good
What do you do for those cookies?

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 10:10 PM

macros and workout look good
What do you do for those cookies?

WOW that was fast lol :p but thanks dude! Appreciate that (srs)..

Cookies are real easy just combine PB with egg whites and back for 7-8 min, ^^^thats with ~3.5 tbsp PB and ~1-2 tbsp egg whites

dustinh6719

01-17-2011, 10:16 PM

PS those eats you posted in MEN today... look... EPIC!

Thanks dude!

XF Choc PB Proats
So simple, yet so darn good

Macros: 2628 calories [279g Carb/205g Protein/73g Fat]
Check 'em out ^ ;)

Mirin' both of these. CPB is the best XF for proats IMO.

agility2live

01-17-2011, 10:19 PM

so many PRs!

Good eats too, macros are looking better.. just always focus on hitting below 200g and you'll have happy followers :D

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 10:24 PM

Thanks dude!

Mirin' both of these. CPB is the best XF for proats IMO.

No problemo.. I gotta get me some good bagels, its been too long..

Thanks :), and ya, agreed. Cinnaroll comes close but proats-wise choc takes the cake... then again those are the only two i've tried from XF :p (hint hint ;) [LCP])

so many PRs!

Good eats too, macros are looking better.. just always focus on hitting below 200g and you'll have happy followers :D

Try to bump either reps or weight every week :D

Thanks, today was awesome. The change of pace and food sources really made me look forward to every meal and want more! And yes, the 200g mark is my goal to stay under starting tomorrow...bring on dem carbzzz :)

determined4000

01-17-2011, 10:38 PM

No problemo.. I gotta get me some good bagels, its been too long..

Takes some more time but today I made some French toast (just another mornin' option)

bijsanei

01-17-2011, 10:46 PM

Takes some more time but today I made some French toast (just another mornin' option)

Hmm never really been into french toast but i do think i have some cinnamon raisin ezekiel hangin around in the freezer:rolleyes:, might be worth a try

foodpr0n

01-18-2011, 01:54 AM

bijsanei

01-18-2011, 07:49 AM

Ahh, so lucky charms weren't a BIG hit with you eh? I always see people going on about them similar to the way I feel about CTC :p

Regardless, I'll crack my box open next too! They look nice anyway lol.

Wiiiiicked macros man, good ish!

Love hearing 'bring on the carbz'

You're going off in the gym lately too. Putting in work!

I mean, they were allllright, marshmallows provided a sugary kick but other than that kinda bland... nothing special, lemme know what you think!

Thanks brah! :D Mostly thanks to you eh! (srs, thanks;)).. My goal for remainder of the week is to stay under 200g protein and get ample fat, then bring on dem carbz, sound like a plan?

Glad you noticed my friend..! Good to hear:cool:

Webber91

01-18-2011, 12:04 PM

Sorry I didn't find this earlier mate! Subbed :)

ErickStevens

01-18-2011, 01:02 PM

PWO: ON Vanilla + Greek yogurt + Oats + Lucky Charms
First time trying these too! Impressed, but not in my top ranks..

http://www.erickstevens.net/wtf.gif

bijsanei

01-18-2011, 01:36 PM

Sorry I didn't find this earlier mate! Subbed :)

No apology necessary! Good to have ya :D

http://www.erickstevens.net/wtf.gif

I lol'd, literally :p

They just didnt..do for me (no homo).. Not on the same level as CTC, FTC, or Golden grahams IMO.

bijsanei

01-18-2011, 09:54 PM

Tuesday January 18, 2011

Weekly Weigh-in:
Jan. 3 → 125.2 lbs (Bumped cals on this day)
Jan. 11 → 126.0 lbs
Jan. 18 → 126.0 lbs @ 11.2% BF (says scale)+0.4 lb/week

Although weight didn’t increase this week, there was a jump last week so I’m guessing it stabilized and I’ve seen a 0.8 lb jump since my calorie increase 2 weeks ago… Looks good to me! Right?

Workout: Legs
[Warm-ups not included] Italics = Superset

BB Squats: 135x12 (getting form), 185x10, 205x10x2
Straight Leg Dead Lift: 185x12, 205x12, 225x8x7 Rep PR (2 sets @225lbs)
Iso-lateral Leg Extensions: 70(each leg)x10, 75x10x2 Rep PR (2 sets @75lbs) Standing Calf Raise: 255x10, 260x10x2 Rep PR (2 sets @260lbs) followed by drop set of 6 sets
Leg Abductor: 130x10, 140x10x2 (outer thigh) 150x10, 160x10x2 (inner thigh)
DB Lunges: 45'sx12x3 (each leg)

Stationary Bike: 25 min (LISS )

Food:

Not pictured: Homemade peanut butter crepes, Superpump MAX, Xtend Intra-workout

[i]Sweet potato chocolate proats
This was awesome! Used ON casein and sweet potato puree (OK, it was baby food)... This was before mixin it all up
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8987/imageypj.jpg

PWO: XF Cinnamon roll + Greek yogurt + Oats + CTC + Apple Cinnamon Cheerios
Still one of my favorite combos
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2135/imageob.jpg

Baked ‘Mac ‘n’ Cheese’ w/ Penne, Jalapeno cheddar and turkey bacon, and steamed broccoli
First time trying this! Was killer! Adapted from Bob’s post in MEN ;)
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5605/imageags.jpg

Oatmeal (not proatmeal) w/ PB&Co DCD
See what I did there ;)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/44/imagezx.jpg

Pre-bed: Strawberry Myo Cottage cheese, crunchy pb cookies, Lindt 70% Dark Chocolate
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2229/imagehzm.jpg

Macros: 2627 calories [279g Carb/200g Protein/78g Fat]

Summary:

No school today! Was awesome.. got to catch up on some sleep I missed out on yesterday and gave the freedom of not having to plan much today! Got to the gym in the afternoon, and saw a movie tonight! Other than that, nothing too special today, sat on my bum and played some Xbox :)

As for the workout, used to kind of dread going to the gym on leg days but these days I’m psyched to try and crank out some tough squats and deads! Feelsgoodman. I’m gonna try and bump the weight on my squats next week I think, since I’m still getting a feel for them.. but, wasn’t sure what a solid weight for my BW on squats would be..??

Honestly, felt awesome today overall. Don’t want to speak to soon, but I think the increase in carbs is already to thank for this, possible? Also, these new macros have gotten me into the routine of changing up meals and I’m looking forward to every meal again! Thanks guys!

Thanks again for tuning in, till next time,

-Bijan

ErickStevens

01-19-2011, 04:21 AM

Another challenge: I want to to see no more than 180g protein. Make up for the calories in any way you see fit.

bijsanei

01-19-2011, 07:35 AM

Another challenge: I want to to see no more than 180g protein. Make up for the calories in any way you see fit.

Eric, as much I respect you and am so glad to have taken your advice and challenges up to this point, I can honestly tell you that this would require me to take things out of my diet that I actually enjoy eating (e.g. Greek yogurt PWO or protein powder for flavour, or meat at dinner). I hope you can sympathize with me on this one, and believe me when I say I know that I could and would be willing and able (mentally) to do this.

ErickStevens

01-19-2011, 07:57 AM

I weigh 200lbs and I have at least 60 more lbs of LBM than you. I eat ~200g of protein a day. Do you honestly believe we should be eating the same amount of protein?

bijsanei

01-19-2011, 09:36 AM

I weigh 200lbs and I have at least 60 more lbs of LBM than you. I eat ~200g of protein a day. Do you honestly believe we should be eating the same amount of protein?

Trust me, brah, not trying to argue with you :). I agree that our bodies definitely dont require the same amount of protein, but I dont see it being a problem.. if that makes sense lol?

I honestly would have no problem mentally or physically lowering my protein even more, which i think is proof of some success thus far. However, believe me when I say, I think I would be taking some of the things I have come to love about my diet out of it.

That being said, my intake will continue to be under control and my sensitivity to the big, bad carbohydrate seems to be dwindling :D, so macros should never look as bad as they did a few days ago and should continue to get better!

Thanks again brah, appreciate this (srs) ;)

PS Thanks for the props in MEN!

The Solution

01-19-2011, 10:32 AM

Trust me, brah, not trying to argue with you :). I agree that our bodies definitely dont require the same amount of protein,

You anwsered your own question...
While bulking .. You dont need excess protein once you have met your required intake for the day.. The only thing it does is get stored like ANYTHING in excess, why would you negate extra fuel in carbs/fat when in essence once you meet your protein intake.. more does not equal better. CARBS are more protein sparing in a caloric surplus once your needs are met, but yet you and moose like to beat around the bush and just continue to eat the amount of protein you would need if you took Steroids on a daily basis.. Your not jay cutler, your 125 pounds and trying to get healthy.. Eat your carbs and enjoy them too.. really...

Go look at Tommy Jeffer's Contest prep thread, Layne's thread, you eat as much protein as they do (same with moose) Alberto Nunez eats less protein than you and look at his physique, how about all of Layne's clients that step on stage, hell in their offseason even at 180-200 lbs they are intaking THAT MUCH PROTEIN.. Why? Because you have to realize how protein sparing carbs are and how essential excess fuel from the adequate macro's will play on your body, recovery, workouts, and muscle growth. Once protein is met thats all you need..

Train hard.. eat smart, enjoy moderation, and stop thinking you need the protein intake of one injecting a needle into your body on a weekly basis (no hate but serious)... The research through science, studies and on humans has been done. I don't know what else you need to SEE to prove the point.... Its just your MENTAL concept of thinking more protein = better when that is false. Give your natural and trying to OVERCOME AN ED, hence why you think more protein is *Safer* :eek:

JValjean724

01-19-2011, 10:53 AM

Eric, as much I respect you and am so glad to have taken your advice and challenges up to this point, I can honestly tell you that this would require me to take things out of my diet that I actually enjoy eating (e.g. Greek yogurt PWO or protein powder for flavour, or meat at dinner). I hope you can sympathize with me on this one, and believe me when I say I know that I could and would be willing and able (mentally) to do this.

You could just start eating fattier meat/dairy so that you get less protein for more calories.

For example replace chicken breasts with thighs, lean ground beef with regular, full fat greek yogurt, etc.

Though this is coming from someone who would eat meat only sparingly if I could get away with it protein-wise.

ian0789

01-19-2011, 02:48 PM

Or you could just use a serving of oats for every serving of greek yogurt you would use. Same goes for CC, just use some oats or more cereal!!!!!

bijsanei

01-19-2011, 04:27 PM

You anwsered your own question...
While bulking .. You dont need excess protein once you have met your required intake for the day.. The only thing it does is get stored like ANYTHING in excess, why would you negate extra fuel in carbs/fat when in essence once you meet your protein intake.. more does not equal better. CARBS are more protein sparing in a caloric surplus once your needs are met, but yet you and moose like to beat around the bush and just continue to eat the amount of protein you would need if you took Steroids on a daily basis.. Your not jay cutler, your 125 pounds and trying to get healthy.. Eat your carbs and enjoy them too.. really...

Go look at Tommy Jeffer's Contest prep thread, Layne's thread, you eat as much protein as they do (same with moose) Alberto Nunez eats less protein than you and look at his physique, how about all of Layne's clients that step on stage, hell in their offseason even at 180-200 lbs they are intaking THAT MUCH PROTEIN.. Why? Because you have to realize how protein sparing carbs are and how essential excess fuel from the adequate macro's will play on your body, recovery, workouts, and muscle growth. Once protein is met thats all you need..

Train hard.. eat smart, enjoy moderation, and stop thinking you need the protein intake of one injecting a needle into your body on a weekly basis (no hate but serious)... The research through science, studies and on humans has been done. I don't know what else you need to SEE to prove the point.... Its just your MENTAL concept of thinking more protein = better when that is false. Give your natural and trying to OVERCOME AN ED, hence why you think more protein is *Safer* :eek:

You could just start eating fattier meat/dairy so that you get less protein for more calories.

For example replace chicken breasts with thighs, lean ground beef with regular, full fat greek yogurt, etc.

Though this is coming from someone who would eat meat only sparingly if I could get away with it protein-wise.

Or you could just use a serving of oats for every serving of greek yogurt you would use. Same goes for CC, just use some oats or more cereal!!!!!

Bob, I know you're trying to help with every post you contribute (although some do seem kinda harsh, theyre not.. this is just you being straight up :), and I love it (no homo)), and I really do appreciate it! However, this time, looking from the outside in, I think I can honestly tell you, JVal, and Ian that subbing plain oats for my CC or for my greek yogurt or eating more calorie dense foods (equalling less volume :p) would be an alteration to my diet that I dont think I would enjoy.. I love my meals as of now! I mean, I have made a pretty big change thus far.. can i get some props for that? :)

Trust me, this does not mean I'm not going to keep trying to be more open.. It's only the second day since my diet has changed and I'm already loving it! Just havent had many ideas to play with the last couple days, but now that dem carbz ain't a problem.. look for em to show up more and more often and in variety as time goes on, because (like everyone else), I do love em!

Once again brahs, I thank you for your input and I do take every word you say to heart and respect them! Not trying to contradict ANYTHING any of you have said..honest

Thanks again, love you guys for what youve done for me already (no homo, EDIT: ok.. maybe a little homo? :p),

-Bijan