can we push body to use fat storage instead of carbs

[NETPRO]

After excessive weight workout our bodies lose carbs, body builders take simple carbs immediately after workout to give muscles back the needed carbs plus getting the benefit of insulin spike.
My goal is to push my body to use the body fat storage, soooooooooo
- can I push it somehow to use my fat storage instead of carbohydrate ???
If that is possible then is it a good idea if we only use whey protein post workout (without simple carbs) ===>
- In this case is our body going to use our storage of fat instead ??? Or it is just going to break muscle cells and feed on it.
- at what point the body uses its fat storage instead of breaking muscles when 0 carbs is reached ???

[rogm]

After excessive weight workout our bodies lose carbs, body builders take simple carbs immediately after workout to give muscles back the needed carbs plus getting the benefit of insulin spike.
My goal is to push my body to use the body fat storage, soooooooooo
- can I push it somehow to use my fat storage instead of carbohydrate ???
If that is possible then is it a good idea if we only use whey protein post workout (without simple carbs) ===>
- In this case is our body going to use our storage of fat instead ??? Or it is just going to break muscle cells and feed on it.
- at what point the body uses its fat storage instead of breaking muscles when 0 carbs is reached ???

that should happen whe you are on a keto diet.

[alexl53]

Yea using a whey with little to no carbs post-workout would be advantageous. Load up on fat and protein and eat as few carbs as possible. This will get you into ketosis after a few days to a week and then your body will use fat as its primary fuel. You might feel sh*tty during the conversion process though, but this goes away. A refeed might be beneficial once a week on keto as your energy levels may drop when cutting cals and doing keto at the same time. I did <30 carbs a day for about two weeks straight and the 2nd week I felt like sh*t and recognized I needed to do a refeed. Some people need it, some people don't.

[NETPRO]

Yea using a whey with little to no carbs post-workout would be advantageous. Load up on fat and protein and eat as few carbs as possible. This will get you into ketosis after a few days to a week and then your body will use fat as its primary fuel. You might feel sh*tty during the conversion process though, but this goes away. A refeed might be beneficial once a week on keto as your energy levels may drop when cutting cals and doing keto at the same time. I did <30 carbs a day for about two weeks straight and the 2nd week I felt like sh*t and recognized I needed to do a refeed. Some people need it, some people don't.Thanks for the great info
have you lost muscles during those 2 weeks ?

[ChicaBella]

YES!...by experiencing ketosis. I am following the Anabolic diet. I burn fat during the week and refeed on Saturday and switch back to low-carbs Sun-Fri. So far so good.

[Driver86]

that should happen whe you are on a keto diet.

Exactly. Stay away from carbs and you burn fat. Eat carbs and you burn sugar.

[Driver86]

YES!...by experiencing ketosis. I am following the Anabolic diet. I burn fat during the week and refeed on Saturday and switch back to low-carbs Sun-Fri. So far so good.

Perfect! However, If you want to lose a LOT of weight then I'd even eliminate the cheat/refeeding day until you're close to your goal.

[RickyMG]

sorry to burst in like this but by refeed you mean have a day of cheating to regain some energy ?

[vayx]

sorry to burst in like this but by refeed you mean have a day of cheating to regain some energy ?

No, you dont have a "cheat" day to binge out on junk, but rather a day where you could incorporate complex carbohydrates in your body so you can regain some energy again from carbs.

so 6 days a week you would try to stick to <20-30 g of carbs and then on the 7th day you would incorporate carbs into your diet which arent complete **** (Ie - whole wheats) that would fit into your macros by reducing fats/proteins (mostly fats)

[Kennybaby]

Best way to burn fat is to do low intensity CV work, based upon a percentage of your anaerobic threshold. At this intensity you'll burn more fat as a percentage of total calories, you'll also get fit in the process. My aerobic range is around the 128 to 138 hr based on this method, with an anaeobic threshold of around 170, a resting hr of 40 give or take a couple, and a max of 190 to 193.

As you get closer to Anaerobic capacity fat burn reduces in percentage terms.

I don't turn off carbs in my diet, although I try to restrict sugar sources, chocolate being my number one vice, as I need them as an energy source when I'm at or close to my anaerobic threshold for long periods, as this is fuel is processed most efficiently when oxygen intake is insufficient.

[Jameshall]

Best way to burn fat is to do low intensity CV work, based upon a percentage of your anaerobic threshold. At this intensity you'll burn more fat as a percentage of total calories, you'll also get fit in the process. My aerobic range is around the 128 to 138 hr based on this method, with an anaeobic threshold of around 170, a resting hr of 40 give or take a couple, and a max of 190 to 193.

As you get closer to Anaerobic capacity fat burn reduces in percentage terms.

I don't turn off carbs in my diet, although I try to restrict sugar sources, chocolate being my number one vice, as I need them as an energy source when I'm at or close to my anaerobic threshold for long periods, as this is fuel is processed most efficiently when oxygen intake is insufficient.

This method is typically safer than a KETO diet IMO. If you are lifting weights and not eating many carbs, you can say goodbye to all of your energy.

[Christodp]

I want to compete in 8weeks time. I'm about 12% fat now and want to be 8%. I'm a fitness model. Now I'm on a very low carb diet. Started using a 60g protein 45g carb shake after training this week. Now should I rather cut the 45g carbs after training. I'm on about 30-40 carbs without my post workout shake. I'm 6'2 and 220lbs.

[Cape1]

I want to compete in 8weeks time. I'm about 12% fat now and want to be 8%. I'm a fitness model. Now I'm on a very low carb diet. Started using a 60g protein 45g carb shake after training this week. Now should I rather cut the 45g carbs after training. I'm on about 30-40 carbs without my post workout shake. I'm 6'2 and 220lbs.

If you're a competitor and that's you in the avi, you are accomplished enough to know better than to listen to anything you read in this thread so far. I'm a little srprised your posting here.

That said, what you mentione above is not even close to enought information to offer anything meaningfull in the way of guidance. Anyone reading this would need to know a whole lot more about you, where you've been diet wise, whats worked and hasn't, training, compettition goals etc.

For now, one thing I can tell you is that 40+ grams of carbs in a post workout shake is a little unecessary, IF YOUR goal for that shake is to make the anabolic switch click. You really don't even need half of that. In fact, G2 Gatorade, protein and BCAA would be just dandy. If those 40+ grams of carbs are there by virtue of your overall Macro nutrient strategy, so be it - enjoy every gram!

My only other adivce would be to chug on over to the COntest Prep board on this web site where more, and much better, advice will be rendered.

[BagelDelight]

Best way to burn fat is to do low intensity CV work, based upon a percentage of your anaerobic threshold. At this intensity you'll burn more fat as a percentage of total calories, you'll also get fit in the process. My aerobic range is around the 128 to 138 hr based on this method, with an anaeobic threshold of around 170, a resting hr of 40 give or take a couple, and a max of 190 to 193.

As you get closer to Anaerobic capaciiity fat burn reduces in percentage terms.

I don't turn off carbs in my diet, although I try to restrict sugar sources, chocolate being my number one vice, as I need them as an energy source when I'm at or close to my anaerobic threshold for long periods, as this is fuel is processed most efficiently when oxygen intake is insufficient.
I would like to know more about how I can calculate my own fat burning zone?

[Cape1]

I would like to know more about how I can calculate my own fat burning zone?

I wouldn't get hung up on the "fat burning zone". I know that I'm technically wrong in saying this but I swear that concept was created by lazy bastards who don't like to work hard.

Here's some advice. Don't worry about how many grams of fat you are burning during a single cardio session. That number is inconsequential. I personally could care less about how much fat I burn during a single session. Instead I focus on doing enough cardio to create a metabolic drag over days/weeks/months. It's the average calorie expenditure that effects fat loss, not any single session.

I really don't do any low intensity cardio. I walk my dog but I don't consider that Cardio and don't count it as a cardio session. I would FAR rather hit my cardio fast and hard for 20 minutes than dilly-dally for 45. Not only am I creating a deficit, I'm strengthening my cardio system, improving circulation; and, in short, becoming more fit. Don't forget that this kind of CV output also helps the muscle building process. Moping about like a lazy bastard, in my opinion, does nothing more than waste time.

Before someone drowns me in scientific studies, I already know all the arguments in favor of LI cardio. I'm offering only my thoughts, based on my own experience, and feel that it's not that effective or a good use of time.

[juliacheh]

Worrying about how much fat you burned during cardio makes as much sense as worrying about how muscle you built in a lifting session.

Not an exact quote, but Alan said this.
Net fat loss is what matters, not the instantaneous fat burn.

[Cape1]

Worrying about how much fat you burned during cardio makes as much sense as worrying about how muscle you built in a lifting session.

Not an exact quote, but Alan said this.
Net fat loss is what matters, not the instantaneous fat burn.

That's about the best I've heard this articulated yet!

[BagelDelight]

I wouldn't get hung up on the "fat burning zone". I know that I'm technically wrong in saying this but I swear that concept was created by lazy bastards who don't like to work hard.

Here's some advice. Don't worry about how many grams of fat you are burning during a single cardio session. That number is inconsequential. I personally could care less about how much fat I burn during a single session. Instead I focus on doing enough cardio to create a metabolic drag over days/weeks/months. It's the average calorie expenditure that effects fat loss, not any single session.

I really don't do any low intensity cardio. I walk my dog but I don't consider that Cardio and don't count it as a cardio session. I would FAR rather hit my cardio fast and hard for 20 minutes than dilly-dally for 45. Not only am I creating a deficit, I'm strengthening my cardio system, improving circulation; and, in short, becoming more fit. Don't forget that this kind of CV output also helps the muscle building process. Moping about like a lazy bastard, in my opinion, does nothing more than waste time.

Before someone drowns me in scientific studies, I already know all the arguments in favor of LI cardio. I'm offering only my thoughts, based on my own experience, and feel that it's not that effective or a good use of time.
Yes but with higher intensities you are basically duplicating weight training in terms of CNS stress and overall stress on your body's muscles and joints.

I train like a dog on weight training days (x4 a week for an hour non stop). I need some LISS to get the benefits of the other spectrum, namely:

improved insulin sensitivity
improved circulation
fat burning
active recovery
hormonol optimization

[evolutionaryDad]

Actually you are right. Low intensity burns a higher ratio of fat to carb, and high intensity a lower percentage of fat. The interesting part that supports you is the math. High intensity burns more calories total. So for the same time spent on the treadmill high intensity will burn more fat than low because of the sheer volume of total calories overcomes the percentage benefit to low intensity.

I.e low intensity 50 percent fat at 4.86 Cals a min equals 2.43 fat Cals.
High intensity 39.85 percent fat at 6.86 Cals a minute equals 2.7 Cals.

It's small but adds up by the minute. Combine both and do HIIT ;-) lol

[buttabeen]

Very well said. I prefer HIIT over low intensity cardio

[hg3515]

Low intensity cardio is extremely boring while high intensity cardio can be dangerous. HIIT is the way to go!!!

[Cape1]

Yes but with higher intensities you are basically duplicating weight training in terms of CNS stress and overall stress on your body's muscles and joints.

I train like a dog on weight training days (x4 a week for an hour non stop). I need some LISS to get the benefits of the other spectrum, namely:

improved insulin sensitivity
improved circulation
fat burning
active recovery
hormonol optimization

Look, I'm not pointing this at you perse, so please don't take offense. I know there are people out there, far more scientifically adept than I, who would probably give an impressive monolog on all those 5 "benefits" you mention. I can't argue it from a science standpoint because that just isn't where I'm coming from.

I will say this much. I HAVE NOT seen ANYONE in bodybuilding, aside from the drug crowd, who haven't gotten LEAN AS HELL from doing a very large amount of HI cardio work. I have not known anyone who has, at least knowingly, suffered a measurable negative impact to their CNS (judging by their ability to recover from workouts).

I HAVE, on the other hand, seen a seemingly countless number of LI cardio advocates, who will chew your ear off for hours about the fat-burning zone, who stay the same crappy body composition year in and year out.

Now, this could very well be a coincidence and I'm sure to some degree it is. But, I'm the guy who bases things on experience and not what some e-book author is pitching from one year to the next.

Also, CNS is more resiliant than people think. If you're not in good shape, you might have a problem. If you are in good shape, you should not really be noticing an over-taxing of CNS by working in a good amount of HI cardio sessions, even if they are coincident lifting days. Not sure I would do this indefinitely but for a time, it's usually not a problem. Again, folks in shape and not coach potatoes who wake up one day and decide 'today is the day'

[Cape1]

Low intensity cardio is extremely boring while high intensity cardio can be dangerous. HIIT is the way to go!!!

HIIT IS high intensity cardio, at least for the 'on' seconds. If it is not HI, you are not doing HIIT. You are, conversly, doing the moderate intensity stuff that people like to pretend is HIIT.

Pure HI is just another way to approach the HI piece that should be in HIIT.

Think of Sprint work for example. Not really HIIT. You sprint and then recover and sprint again.

I like to look at Sprints as ALL OUT for 100meters lets say. My HIIT on the other hand, I usually do the "on" seconds at about a 400m pace. close to an all out sprint but not so high that recovery on the "off" seconds cant be acheived by backing off to, say, a 9minute mile pace.

Of course, there are just plain old intervals where you might just kick the pace a little for 30 seconds and back off for 30-60. That ain't hiit though.

Either way, HI work should only be done if it can be done safely. Safely means that you can do it without having a massive MI; or that you are conditioned enough to handle the pounding on your body.

[Sheps31]

This method is typically safer than a KETO diet IMO. If you are lifting weights and not eating many carbs, you can say goodbye to all of your energy.

Srs? On the keto diet, fat is your primary fuel source.

I have been on keto for about 5 weeks now and I haven't suffered any loss of energy. Maybe in the first week, while getting fat adapted, but after that, it has been full steam ahead

[BagelDelight]

Look, I'm not pointing this at you perse, so please don't take offense. I know there are people out there, far more scientifically adept than I, who would probably give an impressive monolog on all those 5 "benefits" you mention. I can't argue it from a science standpoint because that just isn't where I'm coming from.

I will say this much. I HAVE NOT seen ANYONE in bodybuilding, aside from the drug crowd, who haven't gotten LEAN AS HELL from doing a very large amount of HI cardio work. I have not known anyone who has, at least knowingly, suffered a measurable negative impact to their CNS (judging by their ability to recover from workouts).

I HAVE, on the other hand, seen a seemingly countless number of LI cardio advocates, who will chew your ear off for hours about the fat-burning zone, who stay the same crappy body composition year in and year out.

Now, this could very well be a coincidence and I'm sure to some degree it is. But, I'm the guy who bases things on experience and not what some e-book author is pitching from one year to the next.

Also, CNS is more resiliant than people think. If you're not in good shape, you might have a problem. If you are in good shape, you should not really be noticing an over-taxing of CNS by working in a good amount of HI cardio sessions, even if they are coincident lifting days. Not sure I would do this indefinitely but for a time, it's usually not a problem. Again, folks in shape and not coach potatoes who wake up one day and decide 'today is the day'
Fair point and I can see your reason.....so how would a "couch potatoe" such as myself get my body ready for training multiple times a week in HIIT whilst also maintaining my 5/3/1 workouts

[SOJA]

Either way, HI work should only be done if it can be done safely. Safely means that you can do it without having a massive MI; or that you are conditioned enough to handle the pounding on your body.

Which is why after reading so much into it I decided it's wise to consult a cardiovascular doctor and purchase a reliable heart rate monitor so you don't over exert yourself. I've only heard of one man dying from HIIT through my brother, however the man already had underlying health issues pertaining to the circulatory system. He also wasn't properly hydrated which I want to say will cause your blood to thicken up, but I'm not sure if that's the case???

[BagelDelight]

Fair point and I can see your reason.....so how would a "couch potatoe" such as myself get my body ready for training multiple times a week in HIIT whilst also maintaining my 5/3/1 workouts
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[SKINS32]

No reply ffs

Get a bike and start doing intervals on flat land on the off days. Low impact on the body but high impact on the cardiovacular. Wear a heart rate monitor and learn recovery times. You are done when your recovery rate diminishes. Try again the next day.

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[cvoelker2]

Thanks for the great info
have you lost muscles during those 2 weeks ?

From what i gather and a little bit of common sense reasoning, i would say that your body is going to use muscle protein as a last resort, a fight or flight type of deal. so as long as your getting in proper macros, and not to large of a defecit, then you shouldnt have to worry about losing muscle.

[maranom]

Yea I did low carb (<50g a day) for about a week and a half and was dropping weight like crazy...then I hit a brick freakin wall... After almost passing out in an attempted HIIT session yesterday I decided to eat some carbs today and feel much better. Guess is depends on the person

[tonytoo]

Actually you are right. Low intensity burns a higher ratio of fat to carb, and high intensity a lower percentage of fat. The interesting part that supports you is the math. High intensity burns more calories total. So for the same time spent on the treadmill high intensity will burn more fat than low because of the sheer volume of total calories overcomes the percentage benefit to low intensity.

I.e low intensity 50 percent fat at 4.86 Cals a min equals 2.43 fat Cals.
High intensity 39.85 percent fat at 6.86 Cals a minute equals 2.7 Cals.

It's small but adds up by the minute. Combine both and do HIIT ;-) lol

wth am I doing wrong then? I do a keto diet and MY low intensity cardio is at the range of 11 calories a min? that is barely a slow jog for me let alone if I am actually trying to WORK at my cardio vascular output...

[LiDeezy23]

What is the anabolic diet?

[martinelli]

After excessive weight workout our bodies lose carbs, body builders take simple carbs immediately after workout to give muscles back the needed carbs plus getting the benefit of insulin spike.
My goal is to push my body to use the body fat storage, soooooooooo
- can I push it somehow to use my fat storage instead of carbohydrate ???
If that is possible then is it a good idea if we only use whey protein post workout (without simple carbs) ===>
- In this case is our body going to use our storage of fat instead ??? Or it is just going to break muscle cells and feed on it.
- at what point the body uses its fat storage instead of breaking muscles when 0 carbs is reached ???

As long as you're eating less, your body will eventually return to oxidizing fat, even if it may preferentially oxidize carbs transiently around your workout. Have your carbs if you want.

The degree to which whey alone can elevate insulin is enough to stop protein breakdown, I believe.

When "0 carbs" are reached, the value for your respiratory quotient (RQ) is lower. What this means is that you are oxidizing more fat for any given activity you're engaging in. Whether you'll begin to lose lean mass depends on your training - you need to keep training heavy, which is still possible to do with little to no muscle glycogen.

Aside from a low-carb diet and drugs that lower RQ, that's pretty much all I can think of. By the way, short-term fasting helps promote fat oxidation (and not protein loss).

[Dmbo]

Don't you fuel long distance cardio with fats? Other than that, I don't know.

[Tessien]

Look, I'm not pointing this at you per se, so please don't take offense. I know there are people out there, far more scientifically adept than I, who would probably give an impressive monolog on all those 5 "benefits" you mention. I can't argue it from a science standpoint because that just isn't where I'm coming from.


I can cover some of this, the reason high intensity workouts burn fat better than low intensity workouts is the fact that they are a higher intensity. LI workouts are more efficient at fat burning for the energy expended.

Its not a black and white issue, but typically if you're working at approximately 40-60% of your MHR in cardio you'll be in the "fat burning zone" where the energy your body needs can be largely derived from your stores of fat, this typically operates at about 60-70% efficiency, so for 100 calories burned, 60 are from fat, 40 are from on hand stored energy like glucose and readily available glycogen.

The issue here is that LI is more efficient for the energy expended, but not for time expenditure. HI exercises burn more of all your energy sources (placing a greater stress on the CNS), so if you can manage HI exercise, and balance your nutrition input you can burn fat faster with HI exercises. So, if you bump your intensity up to 60-80% of your MHR, for that time period your fat burning may be less efficient, closer to 40-50%, but you'll be burning more calories in the same amount of time, so what happens is you get something closer to 200 calories burned, where 90-100 of those calories are fat.

So, the benefit of HI cardio is not that it burns fat more efficiently, but rather that it burns more fat in a shorter amount of time.

[lunchboy]

On keto you're supposed to have a refeed of carbs once a week. Otherwise your muscle glycogen becomes nearly non-existant and your energy levels will drop a lot regardless of being in ketosis.

[HealthResearch]

Broscience is strong in this thread.

It doesn't matter where it comes from in the short term. So what if carbs are used or fat is used right after the workout? It DOESNT MATTER.

What does mater is the net calorie deficit at the end of the day. If you burned all glucose during your workout and you have a deficit at the end of the day... guess what? At some OTHER point in the day you will be metabolizing fat. (Assuming you are doing everything you can to protect your muscle mass.)

[HealthResearch]

A
When "0 carbs" are reached, the value for your respiratory quotient (RQ) is lower. What this means is that you are oxidizing more fat for any given activity you're engaging in. Whether you'll begin to lose lean mass depends on your training - you need to keep training heavy, which is still possible to do with little to no muscle glycogen.

One this to be wary of is that you can only oxidize fat at a rate proportional to the amount of fat you have. And this is only at a rate of around 33 calories per lb of fat per day.

So, if you have no carbs in your system and you deficit OVER the 33 calories per lb of fat... then what gets used for energy???? Muscle comes next.

This is where you can potentially get rapid muscle catabolism.

[wowbob396]

Perfect! However, If you want to lose a LOT of weight then I'd even eliminate the cheat/refeeding day until you're close to your goal.


No, that infact would be counter productive since after a certain period of time your metabolism slows down and you will plateau. Refeed/cheats help from plateaus if done properly.

[alex2363]

i did keto/ckd for 3 months and it stripped my fat like butter, the the diet works if used properly. you have to watch cals just like any diet. it really works to get cut. believe me i wouldnt lie, i will do it again in few months to cut more fat of my low abs.

[alex2363]

On keto you're supposed to have a refeed of carbs once a week. Otherwise your muscle glycogen becomes nearly non-existant and your energy levels will drop a lot regardless of being in ketosis.

yes you can but you dont have to ,,while i was on keto my energy was non stop and my strength was more intense. using fat storage as energy is not strength zapping, you still have energy from eating fats and fat storerage.

[martinelli]

One this to be wary of is that you can only oxidize fat at a rate proportional to the amount of fat you have. And this is only at a rate of around 33 calories per lb of fat per day.

So, if you have no carbs in your system and you deficit OVER the 33 calories per lb of fat... then what gets used for energy???? Muscle comes next.

This is where you can potentially get rapid muscle catabolism.

Would you link me to the reference? I never knew this. Thanks.

[Q-Tip-81]

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:QFTbcEYxEcIJ:anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/weight-loss/25305d1231358201-modified-ckd-normal-anabolic-diet.pdf+anabolic+diet+t&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShk0ol7JZcQxBit8Lr7G7k0LQZ2MUko3mdEN_l7 uxZDiKIittZHeXOmz6TyycvkZAGeYyXCCIFYK-WLPDBOZWwY6E_-7RznwNEE3etK0biY2UaIkRMGwacQ8p89VvrrFjbdwJuz&sig=AHIEtbSO-BOF9LpsUZ3XIZDNQgYXxA_I6A

If I remember right.....

ReFeed Day Macros

60% Carbs
30% Fat
10% Protein

[HealthResearch]

Would you link me to the reference? I never knew this. Thanks.

I'll dig it up... someone posted the study in the fat loss forum. I'll try to find it.

[HealthResearch]

Would you link me to the reference? I never knew this. Thanks.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615

Alpert SS. J Theor Biol. 2005 Mar 7;233(1):1-13

"A limit on the maximum energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia is deduced from experimental data of underfed subjects maintaining moderate activity levels and is found to have a value of (290 ? 25) kJ/kg d. A dietary restriction which exceeds the limited capability of the fat store to compensate for the energy deficiency results in an immediate decrease in the fat free mass (FFM). In cases of a less severe dietary deficiency, the FFM will not be depleted."

290 Kj/kg/day = 31 calories per lb per day.

[martinelli]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615

Alpert SS. J Theor Biol. 2005 Mar 7;233(1):1-13

"A limit on the maximum energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia is deduced from experimental data of underfed subjects maintaining moderate activity levels and is found to have a value of (290 ? 25) kJ/kg d. A dietary restriction which exceeds the limited capability of the fat store to compensate for the energy deficiency results in an immediate decrease in the fat free mass (FFM). In cases of a less severe dietary deficiency, the FFM will not be depleted."

290 Kj/kg/day = 31 calories per lb per day.

Wow, thanks very much for this. Wish I could rep again. I'm glad you chimed in here! :)

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Xen — кросс-платформенный гипервизор, разработанный в компьютерной лаборатории
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аппаратной виртуализации, минимальность кода самого гипервизора должен счёт
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[ss4vegeta1]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615

Alpert SS. J Theor Biol. 2005 Mar 7;233(1):1-13

"A limit on the maximum energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia is deduced from experimental data of underfed subjects maintaining moderate activity levels and is found to have a value of (290 ? 25) kJ/kg d. A dietary restriction which exceeds the limited capability of the fat store to compensate for the energy deficiency results in an immediate decrease in the fat free mass (FFM). In cases of a less severe dietary deficiency, the FFM will not be depleted."

290 Kj/kg/day = 31 calories per lb per day.

Not sure how you figured out the 290 calories per day but I believe in slow dieting liberate fat from the body. Every recommends a 500 cal a day deficit but I lean towards 250cal per day.

[bigboost]

Keto diet, I have never figured out how to get on it. Seems near impossible.

[binks09]

Keto diet, I have never figured out how to get on it. Seems near impossible.

Eat less than 50g of carbs a day, with those coming from fibrous veggies. Continue through life. You will deplete glycogen stores in the liver and muscles after a few days and with such a low carb intake, they will not be able to be refilled. Thus, you will begin burning a greater percentage of fat per pound lost.

[TacticalTurtle]

Eat less than 50g of carbs a day, with those coming from fibrous veggies. Continue through life. You will deplete glycogen stores in the liver and muscles after a few days and with such a low carb intake, they will not be able to be refilled. Thus, you will begin burning a greater percentage of fat per pound lost.

Been lurking around for a bit and came up with a question.

How can you cut your carbs that low and still eat/ drink protean shakes? Right now I'm drinking two scoops of ON Nitro Core 24 per day and a Met-RX (because that ones free)... that plus food for the day (even without bread) is more than 50g of carbs and it's not close to a 1g to 1kg ratio for protean intake.

[ELLSKIES]

Not sure how you figured out the 290 calories per day but I believe in slow dieting liberate fat from the body. Every recommends a 500 cal a day deficit but I lean towards 250cal per day.

Wow, I have to say--this study is good stuff. Makes sense. And makes a great case for why severe deficits are pointless if you only have a moderate amount of fat to lose. Fascinating. Reps to you HealthResearch!!!!!!!!

[RoodyPooUS]

Been lurking around for a bit and came up with a question.

How can you cut your carbs that low and still eat/ drink protean shakes? Right now I'm drinking two scoops of ON Nitro Core 24 per day and a Met-RX (because that ones free)... that plus food for the day (even without bread) is more than 50g of carbs and it's not close to a 1g to 1kg ratio for protean intake.

You need to drink Whey Protein Isolate, some of those have virtually no carbs, maybe 1g per 25g of protein.

[GIGANTEBRAS]

Olá galera,me desculpe entra na conversa, mas tenho um pequeno problema Pra resolver,se alguem puder dar alguma ajuda legal . E o seguinte uma de minhas clientes esta em dieta ,com restrição de carboidratos mas mesmo assim ela não consiguiu uma grande alteração fisica ,mesmo depois de duas semanas , com o carbo muito baixo faixa de 30gr dia, alguem poderia me ajudar desvendar isto, pra mim é um misterio?
VALEU....

[bluesky1]

good l;uck

[thegymbum]

After excessive weight workout our bodies lose carbs, body builders take simple carbs immediately after workout to give muscles back the needed carbs plus getting the benefit of insulin spike.
My goal is to push my body to use the body fat storage, soooooooooo
- can I push it somehow to use my fat storage instead of carbohydrate ???
If that is possible then is it a good idea if we only use whey protein post workout (without simple carbs) ===>
- In this case is our body going to use our storage of fat instead ??? Or it is just going to break muscle cells and feed on it.
- at what point the body uses its fat storage instead of breaking muscles when 0 carbs is reached ???

The most effective strategy I've found is fasted cardio. If you work out first thing in the morning after 12 or more hours of not eating, your glycogen stores will likely be at least partially depleted. This leave you with primarily fat to be used for fuel. I've had a lot of success with not eating anything pre cardio, then eating after cardio, then lifting after eating, then eating again.

[Mikelawton]

The most effective strategy I've found is fasted cardio. If you work out first thing in the morning after 12 or more hours of not eating, your glycogen stores will likely be at least partially depleted. This leave you with primarily fat to be used for fuel. I've had a lot of success with not eating anything pre cardio, then eating after cardio, then lifting after eating, then eating again.

That's what I'm trying to do right now is usually either something very light or nothing at all, then I go do cardio, workout, then eat.

[HealthResearch]

The most effective strategy I've found is fasted cardio. If you work out first thing in the morning after 12 or more hours of not eating, your glycogen stores will likely be at least partially depleted. This leave you with primarily fat to be used for fuel. I've had a lot of success with not eating anything pre cardio, then eating after cardio, then lifting after eating, then eating again.

That doesn't make sense though. Sure, you burned up more actual fat during your workout because you are carb depleted. But then you ate... and your body burned throughout the rest of the day, those carbs (or whatever you ate) and your fat metabolism is low during the day.

Versus:

Eat first. Then workout. You burn less fat during the workout now because you are burning more carbs. But later in the day, since your carbs have been partially used up during your workout, you metabolize more fat.

Either way, it comes out to be the same amount of fat metabolized over the course of the day. And it's ultimately due to the calorie deficit you have set for the day.

People seem to be fixated on how much fat you burn DURING the workout, when it ultimately does not matter.

[HealthResearch]

Not sure how you figured out the 290 calories per day but I believe in slow dieting liberate fat from the body. Every recommends a 500 cal a day deficit but I lean towards 250cal per day.

It was 290kj/kg/day which is equivalent to 31 calories per lb per day. It was determined in the study.

[nlite2000]

You can't cheat arithmetic. At least not in this case. if there were a way, everybody would be doing it.

[falldown09]

Exactly. Stay away from carbs and you burn fat. Eat carbs and you burn sugar.

YES EXACTLY!!! Because it's impossible for your body to burn fat AND carbs at the same time, it's not like the human body is an incredibly intricate system with the ability to do two things at once or anything! OMFG what amazing info!! smh...