What's the difference between corn syrup and HFCS?

[TheSuccessful1]

So, basically I know HFCS is horrible for you, but what do you guys think of regular corn syrup? I want to eat raisin bran on my refeed days, but it contains corn syrup. So, am I good to go, or no?

[AustrianOakJr]

So, basically I know HFCS is horrible for you, but what do you guys think of regular corn syrup? I want to eat raisin bran on my refeed days, but it contains corn syrup. So, am I good to go, or no?

It makes little difference.....corn syrup, HFCS = sugar. I wouldnt build my diet around high fructose corn syrup, but its perfectly acceptable in moderation. HFCS is just a very high GI carb......heck, bodybuilders go out of their way to consume dextrose post workout, but then HFCS gets a bad rap because its high GI. :D Eat your raisin bran and enjoy. I prefer honey smacks though. :)

[mrusa85]

So, basically I know HFCS is horrible for you, but what do you guys think of regular corn syrup? I want to eat raisin bran on my refeed days, but it contains corn syrup. So, am I good to go, or no?

I'd go with Count Chocula.

[GetCarved]

Yeah, HFCS is actually 55% fructose and 45% glucose, whereas regular sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. OOOOOHHHHH. That makes HFCS the devil! Honestly during a refeed I'd rather have less fructose, but the difference between sucrose and HFCS is miniscule at best. Besides the body can still store fructose in the muscle, it just has to release it from the liver.

[fitmodeltrainer]

Yeah, HFCS is actually 55% fructose and 45% glucose, whereas regular sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. OOOOOHHHHH. That makes HFCS the devil! Honestly during a refeed I'd rather have less fructose, but the difference between sucrose and HFCS is miniscule at best. Besides the body can still store fructose in the muscle, it just has to release it from the liver.

^This. HFCS 55 (as in 55% fructose/45% glucose) is primarily used in HFCS sweetened beverages (sodas, juices, energy drinks, ,etc). This makes it only slightly higher in fructose than the sucrose it replaced in these beverages back in the 70's.

There is also HFCS 42, which is 42% fructose/58% glucose, and is found in processed baked goods and other food "products". This is less fructose than the sucrose it replaced in these items. HFCS makes these items cheaper and gives them a longer shelf life.

So basically, HFCS is bad for people who clearly don't give a s**t about their health to begin with, because it gives them more junk food for their dollar...which they'll probably take advantage of by eating more of it. That is about the only remotely valid anti-hfcs argument I can think of...and its only valid if you think people need to be protected from themselves.

I personally like for my occasional soda and candy bar to be cheap and still edible/drinkable a year from now.

[ArizonaEli]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ygreen/20100323/sc_ygreen/studyhighfructosecornsyrupworsethansugar


Researchers at Princeton University have found that HFCS is actually much worse than regular sugar when it comes to causing weight gain.

The study found that rats with access to HFCS gained significantly more weight than rats with access to table sugar -- even when their caloric intake was the same. A second study by the researchers found that HFCS lead to long-term increases in body fat, obesity, and a rise in body fats called triglycerides.

Said Princeton psychology professor Bart Hoebel, "When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight."

This new study contradicts earlier beliefs that high fructose corn syrup and table sugar were similar in that they both contained high levels of fructose. Instead, say the Princeton researchers, they now believe that fructose -- in HFCS -- and glucose -- in table syrup, may be processed by the body differently. Fructose is metabolized to produce fat, they believe, while glucose is processed as energy or stored as a carbohydrate in the muscles and liver.

Researchers also pointed out that since high fructose corn syrup was introduced 40 years ago, U.S. obesity rates have skyrocketed. In 1970 15% of the population was considered obese, and today around 1/3 of American adults qualify as obese.

[fitmodeltrainer]

Researchers at Princeton University have found that HFCS is actually much worse than regular sugar when it comes to causing weight gain.

The study found that rats with access to HFCS gained significantly more weight than rats with access to table sugar -- even when their caloric intake was the same. A second study by the researchers found that HFCS lead to long-term increases in body fat, obesity, and a rise in body fats called triglycerides.

Said Princeton psychology professor Bart Hoebel, "When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight."

This new study contradicts earlier beliefs that high fructose corn syrup and table sugar were similar in that they both contained high levels of fructose. Instead, say the Princeton researchers, they now believe that fructose -- in HFCS -- and glucose -- in table syrup, may be processed by the body differently. Fructose is metabolized to produce fat, they believe, while glucose is processed as energy or stored as a carbohydrate in the muscles and liver.

Researchers also pointed out that since high fructose corn syrup was introduced 40 years ago, U.S. obesity rates have skyrocketed. In 1970 15% of the population was considered obese, and today around 1/3 of American adults qualify as obese.

This is a pretty poor interpretation of a NOTORIOUSLY flawed study. Here is an extremely thorough review:

http://where-is-the-beef.blogspot.com/2010/11/is-high-fructose-corn-syrup-hfcs-eviler_22.html

I'd also add that the paper that last sentence is based on failed to mention that total caloric intake has significantly increased since the 70's as well (mostly from grains if I recall)...and that more recent data shows a decrease in HFCS consumption over the past few years...with obesity rates continuing to climb.

[ArizonaEli]

This is a pretty poor interpretation of a NOTORIOUSLY flawed study. Here is an extremely thorough review:

http://where-is-the-beef.blogspot.com/2010/11/is-high-fructose-corn-syrup-hfcs-eviler_22.html



So you believe the opinions of an anonymous internet blogger over the findings of a reviewed Princeton University study?

I read the entire blogspot blog, and at best all that blogger does is point out technicalities. I agreee with him that the study in no way should be used to link the rise of obesity with HFCS, since that is not what was studied. What the study did prove -- and the blogger grudgingly agreed -- was that HFCS caused more weight gain than sugar even at the exact same calorie intake.

Anyone trying to maintain or lose weight should be aware of that.

[DanTheManB]

This is a pretty poor interpretation of a NOTORIOUSLY flawed study. Here is an extremely thorough review:

http://where-is-the-beef.blogspot.com/2010/11/is-high-fructose-corn-syrup-hfcs-eviler_22.html

I'd also add that the paper that last sentence is based on failed to mention that total caloric intake has significantly increased since the 70's as well (mostly from grains if I recall)...and that more recent data shows a decrease in HFCS consumption over the past few years...with obesity rates continuing to climb.

most things man has tampered with=absolute garbage to ingest. period.

[JohnBrowne]

So you believe the opinions of an anonymous internet blogger over the findings of a reviewed Princeton University study?

I read the entire blogspot blog, and at best all that blogger does is point out technicalities. I agreee with him that the study in no way should be used to link the rise of obesity with HFCS, since that is not what was studied. What the study did prove -- and the blogger grudgingly agreed -- was that HFCS caused more weight gain than sugar even at the exact same calorie intake.

Anyone trying to maintain or lose weight should be aware of that.

lol @ this BS

For all practical purposes HFCS = table sugar. Period.

[fitmodeltrainer]

So you believe the opinions of an anonymous internet blogger over the findings of a reviewed Princeton University study?

I read the entire blogspot blog, and at best all that blogger does is point out technicalities. I agreee with him that the study in no way should be used to link the rise of obesity with HFCS, since that is not what was studied. What the study did prove -- and the blogger grudgingly agreed -- was that HFCS caused more weight gain than sugar even at the exact same calorie intake.

Anyone trying to maintain or lose weight should be aware of that.

Yes. Even reviewed studies can be severely flawed. When we come across one that reaches improbable conclusions, and the researchers/authors made glaring mistakes...its pretty common to throw the study out and favor the much more reliable and consistent data we already have. There are actually dozens of reviews of this study, all raising the same questions as this blogger...I just happened to link to this one.

There were a couple things this blogger didn't mention that I noticed. The biggest one being (and I've read all 6 pages of the study) it never bothered to mentioned how caloric intake was controlled. Thats pretty important for rat studies...but they didn't bother.

They also didn't (and this is from memory, as I read the study several months ago) bother to mention in their conclusion that the 24 hour hfcs group ended up weighing less than the 24 hour sucrose group.

Also, the second of the three studies looked at the affects of rats ingesting HFCS without using a sucrose group.

In no way am I saying that HFCS is good for you, but I still haven't seen anything to tell me its any worse than the sucrose it replaced. Its not like it replaced raw honey in all those soft drinks.

[fitmodeltrainer]

most things man has tampered with=absolute garbage to ingest. period.

Even in moderation? Its not like HFCS replaced raw honey. It replaced another refined sugar in products anyone not living under a rock should already know are unhealthy. Why not focus on more important things?

[DanTheManB]

Even in moderation? Its not like HFCS replaced raw honey. It replaced another refined sugar in products anyone not living under a rock should already know are unhealthy. Why not focus on more important things?

its fukin garbage

[fitmodeltrainer]

its fukin garbage

Good point, never thought of it that way.

[ChristianBBer]

Im curious, all of those educated in this subject whats your take on this video ?

At its basic element it seems pretty legit.

chXCvduiAbs

[JohnBrowne]

Im curious, all of those educated in this subject whats your take on this video ?

At its basic element it seems pretty legit.

chXCvduiAbs

more bull****

It makes sense primarily because you don't have a solid background in the topic (no hate) and they (fructose alarmists) can run you into the ground with pseudoscientific jargon.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

[fitmodeltrainer]

Im curious, all of those educated in this subject whats your take on this video ?

At its basic element it seems pretty legit.

chXCvduiAbs

I stopped watching as soon as he said "Dr. Lustig". There is nothing I can say about Lustig's video that isn't already said here:

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

There's a link at the end of the post to a summary of the post's comments, including a debate between Lustig and Alan. Good stuff.

There really isn't anything in the hfcs debate that hasn't been beaten to death already.

[fitmodeltrainer]

more bull****

It makes sense primarily because you don't have a solid background in the topic (no hate) and they (fructose alarmists) can run you into the ground with pseudoscientific jargon.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

I knew it would be a matter of minutes before we had at least two links to that post :)

[ChristianBBer]

I just finished watching this entire lecture.

I'll never touch HFSC ever again.

dBnniua6-oM

[ChristianBBer]

more bull****

It makes sense primarily because you don't have a solid background in the topic (no hate) and they (fructose alarmists) can run you into the ground with pseudoscientific jargon.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

But why ? Do they have nothing better to do than spend hours of countless research of providing myths ?

What captured my attention was when the Dr said " 6 month year old are experiencing an obesity epidemic . "

But you're right, I dont know alot about this topic. I spend 8 hours a day studying accounting :) But hearing videos from Medical Doctors who show substantial medical studies and logic I can't sit here and say " Ohhh B.S the guys on this forum ( without any medical credentials" say otherwise.


No offense, but I'll take the advice from someone with a M.D in their name than a poster on these forums.


Put yourself in my shoes, you'd rather take accounting advice from someone who spent 6+ years going for their CPA than someone on these forums who just does accounting for kicks.

[bwelch1985]

I just finished watching this entire lecture.

I'll never touch HFSC ever again.

dBnniua6-oM

lol...i hope you're kidding

if not, pls see the link posted TWICE above you

edit: ok so you've seen it....sigh

[JohnBrowne]

But why ? Do they have nothing better to do than spend hours of countless research of providing myths ?

What captured my attention was when the Dr said " 6 month year old are experiencing an obesity epidemic . "

But you're right, I dont know alot about this topic. I spend 8 hours a day studying accounting :) But hearing videos from Medical Doctors who show substantial medical studies and logic I can't sit here and say " Ohhh B.S the guys on this forum ( without any medical credentials" say otherwise.


No offense, but I'll take the advice from someone with a M.D in their name than a poster on these forums.


Put yourself in my shoes, you'd rather take accounting advice from someone who spent 6+ years going for their CPA than someone on these forums who just does accounting for kicks.

Appealing to authority eh? Whatever man... have fun believing the bull**** perpetuated by most of the medical community.

Lustig posted on Alan's blog and got OWNED so badly by Alan that he literally said that "I'm right because loads of people on Youtube have watched my video" (srs)

But hey, be a sheep.

[zmcdole]

But why ? Do they have nothing better to do than spend hours of countless research of providing myths ?

What captured my attention was when the Dr said " 6 month year old are experiencing an obesity epidemic . "

But you're right, I dont know alot about this topic. I spend 8 hours a day studying accounting :) But hearing videos from Medical Doctors who show substantial medical studies and logic I can't sit here and say " Ohhh B.S the guys on this forum ( without any medical credentials" say otherwise.


No offense, but I'll take the advice from someone with a M.D in their name than a poster on these forums.


Put yourself in my shoes, you'd rather take accounting advice from someone who spent 6+ years going for their CPA than someone on these forums who just does accounting for kicks.

The reason that there's an obesity epidemic in America is because food is so readily available. Think about it. If you've got a pantry full of food you're gonna eat when you want. You can't eat if you don't have food or the money to get it when you want it. Wanna know what else is causing us to be fat tubs of goo? Technology. We have all of these things that do everything for us instead of getting off of our fat a$$es and doing something. I kid you not my gym has valet parking!!!!

People are lazy and don't do anything that technology can do for them. We also have an UNLIMITED amount of food at their fingertips any time we freaking want it. THAT MY FRIEND IS WHY PEOPLE ARE FAT!!!! HFCS has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ABSOFREAKINLUTELY NOTHING!!!

[zmcdole]

Another thing I wanted to add. I lived off of soda, chips, and Little Debbie snack cakes as a kid. A ton of HFCS there. Was I fat? Nope. Wanna know why? I was active. I was outside riding my bike, playing basketball, running around the woods, hunting, fishing, or anything else where I was off my butt. Kids these days stay inside and watch tv and play freaking video games all day. That's why we have fat piece of crap kids. I know I'm a teacher. On field day for the last 3 years my entire class is tired and wants to go inside after the first event. Why you ask? All they do when they're not at school is sit on their butts watching tv and playing video games. It's partly the parenting. Parents these days us tv and video games as babysitters instead of spending quality time with their kids and doing something active. End rant.

[tagun]

Another thing I wanted to add. I lived off of soda, chips, and Little Debbie snack cakes as a kid. A ton of HFCS there. Was I fat? Nope. Wanna know why? I was active. I was outside riding my bike, playing basketball, running around the woods, hunting, fishing, or anything else where I was off my butt. Kids these days stay inside and watch tv and play freaking video games all day. That's why we have fat piece of crap kids. I know I'm a teacher. On field day for the last 3 years my entire class is tired and wants to go inside after the first event. Why you ask? All they do when they're not at school is sit on their butts watching tv and playing video games. It's partly the parenting. Parents these days us tv and video games as babysitters instead of spending quality time with their kids and doing something active. End rant.

Funny because I was like that too. :) Drank a lot of fructose sweetened juices, ate candy every day and basically lived of off chips - seriously I ate them before and after lunch. Pizza, ice-cream etc. were all staples of mine.

Oh and yeah, I was 125 pounds (at the "highest point") until I was almost 20 and started training + eating a **** load of food.

Excessive calorie intake is what is making people fat. And yes I know that drinking lots of soda and eating non-filling/calorie dense foods correlates with being more fat, but not because those foods (at same calories) make you fatter, but because people aren't willing to control how much they eat.

Too much food, high availability and boredom/stress/depression (what, every 4th human on earth is depressed as of the last few years, right? Fuk...), not "that crap carb pizza" is what makes people fat.

[Gx7Pyro]

Appealing to authority eh? Whatever man... have fun believing the bull**** perpetuated by most of the medical community.

Lustig posted on Alan's blog and got OWNED so badly by Alan that he literally said that "I'm right because loads of people on Youtube have watched my video" (srs)

But hey, be a sheep.

everybody appeals to authority. whats wrong with that? screw that "all opinions are equal" crap. all opinions are NOT equal. i would much rather trust the medical opinion of a professor at one of the best medical universities in the world than blogger with a masters degree. just like i would trust the medical opinion of a blogger with a masters degree in nutrition than my own. of course, it doesnt mean that the higher authority is always right (or the lower authority is always wrong) but authority figures exist for the sole purpose of being more knowledgeable than most - if not, why would they be an authority?

if most of the medical community perpetuate a certain belief, it would behoove you to respect their belief. if you think the medical community is full of BS, then what else are they "wrong" about? excessive tanning doesnt cause skin cancer? smoking does not have any bad benefits? the medical community perpetuates a certain belief that seems to follow from the data they have. sometimes they arent right, but for the time being,its the best we have.

and being a sheep and siding with the majority are two very different things.


People are lazy and don't do anything that technology can do for them. We also have an UNLIMITED amount of food at their fingertips any time we freaking want it. THAT MY FRIEND IS WHY PEOPLE ARE FAT!!!! HFCS has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ABSOFREAKINLUTELY NOTHING!!!

HFCS might not be the only cause, but there is no way you can deny that HFCS (and any other sugar, for that matter) is at least one of the causes of weight gain. in my opinion, one cause of obesity is being able to consume 100 grams of carbs in a drink and not even feel remotely full.

[fitmodeltrainer]

everybody appeals to authority. whats wrong with that? screw that "all opinions are equal" crap. all opinions are NOT equal. i would much rather trust the medical opinion of a professor at one of the best medical universities in the world than blogger with a masters degree. just like i would trust the medical opinion of a blogger with a masters degree in nutrition than my own. of course, it doesnt mean that the higher authority is always right (or the lower authority is always wrong) but authority figures exist for the sole purpose of being more knowledgeable than most - if not, why would they be an authority?

if most of the medical community perpetuate a certain belief, it would behoove you to respect their belief. if you think the medical community is full of BS, then what else are they "wrong" about? excessive tanning doesnt cause skin cancer? smoking does not have any bad benefits? the medical community perpetuates a certain belief that seems to follow from the data they have. sometimes they arent right, but for the time being,its the best we have.

and being a sheep and siding with the majority are two very different things.



HFCS might not be the only cause, but there is no way you can deny that HFCS (and any other sugar, for that matter) is at least one of the causes of weight gain. in my opinion, one cause of obesity is being able to consume 100 grams of carbs in a drink and not even feel remotely full.

But how is that different with HFCS than it is with the sucrose it replaced in those drinks? THAT'S what the medical community, and the wellness industry, have been unable to demonstrate with any sort of validity.

[FATHER FLEX]

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/straight-talk-about-high-fructose-corn-syrup-what-it-is-and-what-it-aint-research-review.html

A good place to start for many of you. All I know is that come prep time I will be pop-tarting it when in a pinch for time for a pre-workout. :) Way more important hairs to split IMO

[TheSuccessful1]

Playing devil's advocate, why does Dr. Scott Connelly always say HFCS is terrible for you?

http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/insulin-body-weight-and-energy-production.tpl
http://www.rxmuscle.com/hmr-radio-show/628-ortmayer-scott-connelly.html

5) Avoid fructose (specifically the high fructose corn syrup used in so many processed foods): According to Connelly, fructose is a metabolic poison, and a “negative partitioning agent”. Again, Connelly is correct—recent research indicates that fructose consumption is indeed a bad idea.

In fact, Arizona State University research headed by Dr. Mike Pagliassotti indicates it is fructose that is the main ingredient behind the problem of insulin resistance. Over-consumption of fructose often leads to obesity and Syndrome X. Symptoms of such include hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease. Fructose use is widespread in the food processing industry—you’ll find 8-10 teaspoons in a can of pop, and plenty even in processed white bread.

Only one problem… why doesn’t a guy who is so dead set against fructose find a suitable sweetening alternative for his own supplement line? Must of this supplements do contain plenty of fructose.

[FATHER FLEX]

[QUOTE=TheSuccessful1;585675933]Playing devil's advocate, why does Dr. Scott Connelly always say HFCS is terrible for you?

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The good doc has said quite a few things that have been off of late. So yeah I am still having carbs post workout, and sometimes my choco milk has HFCS.

[ChristianBBer]

The reason that there's an obesity epidemic in America is because food is so readily available. Think about it. If you've got a pantry full of food you're gonna eat when you want. You can't eat if you don't have food or the money to get it when you want it. Wanna know what else is causing us to be fat tubs of goo? Technology. We have all of these things that do everything for us instead of getting off of our fat a$$es and doing something. I kid you not my gym has valet parking!!!!

People are lazy and don't do anything that technology can do for them. We also have an UNLIMITED amount of food at their fingertips any time we freaking want it. THAT MY FRIEND IS WHY PEOPLE ARE FAT!!!! HFCS has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ABSOFREAKINLUTELY NOTHING!!!

So you're saying because food is so readily available it's causing the obesity epidemic ? And int he 1920's food wasn't readily available ( without reference to the depression )

If you're a 3rd world country, then you can make the arguement about food availability.

However here in this country food has ALWAYS been available.

And yes you're right about the lack of exercise due to technological improvements.

But technology and a sedetery lifestyle aren't colossal factors.

You can't deny the correlation between the introduction ( and consumption) of HFSC and the obesity epidemic.

As I said I don't know alot about it, Im sure 9/10 posters on here know more than I do. But the brief moments I have free in my day I can't spend researching medical journals to verify the legitamecy of such statements.

I rely on Doctors, who have gone through extensive testing and research.

Are Doctors always right? Absolutely not, but they are the majority of the time.

Again, don't take it was a dissrespect when I say " I'll listen to the Md, and not you". Like I said if it was any other field of profession you had a question about, you would be asking the person in that field with the most credentials.

If you become to the top of your field, then I'll most defiantly take your advice to heart

[fitmodeltrainer]

Playing devil's advocate, why does Dr. Scott Connelly always say HFCS is terrible for you?

http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/insulin-body-weight-and-energy-production.tpl
http://www.rxmuscle.com/hmr-radio-show/628-ortmayer-scott-connelly.html

The study the anti-fructose people like to site was on rats (they convert sugars directly to fat, unlike us...so rat studies are useless here), and used ridiculously high amounts of fructose.

[fitmodeltrainer]

So you're saying because food is so readily available it's causing the obesity epidemic ? And int he 1920's food wasn't readily available ( without reference to the depression )

If you're a 3rd world country, then you can make the arguement about food availability.

However here in this country food has ALWAYS been available.

And yes you're right about the lack of exercise due to technological improvements.

But technology and a sedetery lifestyle aren't colossal factors.

You can't deny the correlation between the introduction ( and consumption) of HFSC and the obesity epidemic.

As I said I don't know alot about it, Im sure 9/10 posters on here know more than I do. But the brief moments I have free in my day I can't spend researching medical journals to verify the legitamecy of such statements.

I rely on Doctors, who have gone through extensive testing and research.

Are Doctors always right? Absolutely not, but they are the majority of the time.

Again, don't take it was a dissrespect when I say " I'll listen to the Md, and not you". Like I said if it was any other field of profession you had a question about, you would be asking the person in that field with the most credentials.

If you become to the top of your field, then I'll most defiantly take your advice to heart

So there aren't any doctors who might disagree with Lustig?

And do you really think food is not more readily available now than ever before? Its cheaper (esp junk food), can be stored in your pantry longer and in many neighborhoods, just a short walk to 7-11 away. You can even have it delivered. I'd say its more readily available.

As for the correlation between the introduction of HFCS and the rise of obesity, the data shows that calories from virtually all food sources are up, some moreso than added sugars (grains for example). This will not take any 'researching medical journals' on your part...just a quick glance at a chart from the USDA tracking food intake since 1970. Take a look:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodconsumption/spreadsheets/foodloss/Calories.xls#Percents!a1

[JohnBrowne]

So you're saying because food is so readily available it's causing the obesity epidemic ? And int he 1920's food wasn't readily available ( without reference to the depression )

If you're a 3rd world country, then you can make the arguement about food availability.

However here in this country food has ALWAYS been available.

And yes you're right about the lack of exercise due to technological improvements.

But technology and a sedetery lifestyle aren't colossal factors.

You can't deny the correlation between the introduction ( and consumption) of HFSC and the obesity epidemic.

As I said I don't know alot about it, Im sure 9/10 posters on here know more than I do. But the brief moments I have free in my day I can't spend researching medical journals to verify the legitamecy of such statements.

I rely on Doctors, who have gone through extensive testing and research.

Are Doctors always right? Absolutely not, but they are the majority of the time.

Again, don't take it was a dissrespect when I say " I'll listen to the Md, and not you". Like I said if it was any other field of profession you had a question about, you would be asking the person in that field with the most credentials.

If you become to the top of your field, then I'll most defiantly take your advice to heart

Um... correlation does not = causation

HFCS is a carbohydrate that contains 4 calories per gram so if you're drinking a half dozen HFCS sweetened beverages per day then yes, you have a problem.

It has everything to do with calories and nothing to do with the chemical structure of the HFCS molecule.

[JohnBrowne]

BTW take a moment to read some legitimate science:

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

[zmcdole]

I'm tempted to replace half my daily intake of carbs with HFCS containing products just to see what happens and or prove a point.

[AustrianOakJr]

I'm tempted to replace half my daily intake of carbs with HFCS containing products just to see what happens and or prove a point.

You just like to eat pop tarts, thats all.

[JohnBrowne]

I'm tempted to replace half my daily intake of carbs with HFCS containing products just to see what happens and or prove a point.

Do it!

[zmcdole]

You just like to eat pop tarts, thats all.

I haven't had a poptart in forever, but they're good.

[zmcdole]

Do it!

I'd probably just replace half my carbs with skittles. I'd do it for a month. I'd weigh myself everyday and take an average weight for the week analyze at the end. It wouldn't prove much though since I'd be the only person in the experiment.

[JohnBrowne]

I'd probably just replace half my carbs with skittles. I'd do it for a month. I'd weigh myself everyday and take an average weight for the week analyze at the end. It wouldn't prove much though since I'd be the only person in the experiment.

Not a big deal considering most people that demonize HFCS don't care about the legitimacy of research.

[ChristianBBer]

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[ChristianBBer]

I dont know about you but whenever I consume foods high in HFCS I'M always hungrier in the end.

However when I consume oatmeal for example Im always full.

I'm not ignoring the possibility of the glycemic index playing a role in this however I believe its even more ignorant to completely rule out HFCS as having no involvement in the rapid weight gain this country is facing.

[ChristianBBer]

So there aren't any doctors who might disagree with Lustig?

And do you really think food is not more readily available now than ever before? Its cheaper (esp junk food), can be stored in your pantry longer and in many neighborhoods, just a short walk to 7-11 away. You can even have it delivered. I'd say its more readily available.

As for the correlation between the introduction of HFCS and the rise of obesity, the data shows that calories from virtually all food sources are up, some moreso than added sugars (grains for example). This will not take any 'researching medical journals' on your part...just a quick glance at a chart from the USDA tracking food intake since 1970. Take a look:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodconsumption/spreadsheets/foodloss/Calories.xls#Percents!a1
Valid point. However no matter where you go on this Earth, someone will always disagree with someone else. Im however improving my chances of relying on credible information ( in ym view) from a Doctor.

Could the Doctor be wrong? Absolutely.
Are there other Doctors who will disagree ? Absolutely.

The IRS once conducted a study and put 10 CPA's in a room and asked them to fill out a tax return for X Client.

Guess what, all 10 of them had different answers.

The truth is hard to find especially when we're just starting the research on this material.

However. I still stand by my decision in believing the Doctor because he is a Doctor.

You would not spend 5 years of schooling to become a CPA just to do your tax return. You'll listen to one CPA and hope he is right; Like I am doing now.

[bwelch1985]

^you've completely ignored all of the counter-arguments presented before you, and instead focused on supporting your own opinion by putting Dr. Lustig on a pedestal. Yes, he's a doctor and he believes HFCS is satan incarnate and he is very outspoken on the subject...but you are still choosing his opinion over others w/ similar credentials that do not agree w/ his claims.

at the end of the day you've already decided that HFCS doesn't work for YOU. so don't eat it...and don't feel pressured to provide evidence supporting your decision (i have no doubt you can find an abundance) b/c it's obviously working just fine for most of us.

[FATHER FLEX]

^you've completely ignored all of the counter-arguments presented before you, and instead focused on supporting your own opinion by putting Dr. Lustig on a pedestal. Yes, he's a doctor and he believes HFCS is satan incarnate and he is very outspoken on the subject...but you are still choosing his opinion over others w/ similar credentials that do not agree w/ his claims.

at the end of the day you've already decided that HFCS doesn't work for YOU. so don't eat it...and don't feel pressured to provide evidence supporting your decision (i have no doubt you can find an abundance) b/c it's obviously working just fine for most of us.

Exactly!

[zmcdole]

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Key words in this photo "TOO MUCH". Too much of ANYTHING is bad. HFCS by itself is not what makes people fat. Too many calories are what makes people fat. People these days tend to eat a lot of junk food (calorie dense food). It's fast, easy, and cheap. Most of these junk foods contain HFCS. It's easy to point the blame at HFCS. It's in almost everything that people like to eat. People are getting fat because of the amounts of the foods that they eat. Since most of what people like to eat is junk and very calorie dense, they get fat. Junk food is small in regards to portions so people eat more to be satisfied. If you ate junk food that contained HFCS everyday in moderation, I'm certain you wouldn't gain any weight assuming you were eating at maintenance.

[ChristianBBer]

Key words in this photo "TOO MUCH". Too much of ANYTHING is bad. HFCS by itself is not what makes people fat. Too many calories are what makes people fat. People these days tend to eat a lot of junk food (calorie dense food). It's fast, easy, and cheap. Most of these junk foods contain HFCS. It's easy to point the blame at HFCS. It's in almost everything that people like to eat. People are getting fat because of the amounts of the foods that they eat. Since most of what people like to eat is junk and very calorie dense, they get fat. Junk food is small in regards to portions so people eat more to be satisfied. If you ate junk food that contained HFCS everyday in moderation, I'm certain you wouldn't gain any weight assuming you were eating at maintenance.

Please re-read what I posted

You said "people are getting fat because of the amount of food they eat" the author in the book is claiming it's not the proportion that is the primary concern but the QUALITY.

[JohnBrowne]

please re-read what i posted

you said "people are getting fat because of the amount of food they eat" the author in the book is claiming it's not the proportion that is the primary concern but the quality.

The author is clearly wrong.

[BlackHeart.au]

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