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Fist-Of-Freedom
10-04-2010, 10:16 AM
Absolutely disgusting.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3164254/CCTV-spy-from-home-site-launch.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News


A CONTROVERSIAL new website allowing citizen spies to plug into the nation's CCTV cameras and snoop from home was launched today.
A £1,000 reward will be on offer each month for the video vigilantes who spot the most crimes.

But civil liberties campaigners say the scheme is "distasteful" and encourages people to spy on each other.

The website is being run by Devon-based Internet Eyes who will stream live footage from shops, businesses and town centres to subscribers' home computers as far away as Australia.

Businesses and other organisations will pay £20 a week or £1,000 a year to have their CCTV system wired up to the site.

Images in real-time are beamed to subscribers, with different scenes being shown on rotation every 20 minutes.

The eagle-eyed viewers click an alert button every time they see something suspicious.

They are awarded one point for spotting a suspected crime and three points if they see a crime being committed - but lose points if the camera operator rules the alert was not a crime.

Those who help catch the most criminals each month will win prizes up to £1,000.

Tony Morgan, who devised the site, claimed: "This could turn out to be the best crime prevention weapon there's ever been.

"I wanted to combine the serious business of stopping crime with the incentive of winning money.

"There are over four million CCTV cameras in the UK and only one in a thousand gets watched.

"Crimes are bound to get missed but this way the cameras will be watched by lots of people 24 hours a day."

He explained: "The subscribers will have access to four screens at the same time and if they see anything suspicious they can press the alert button.

"This then sends an instant text and picture message to the shop assistant or manager - who then makes the decision about what action to take."

People have no choice over what CCTV footage they are able to watch and are banned from viewing footage in their local area.

Mr Morgan added: "The cameras are already there - we just link to them so people can watch them. All you see is the tops of people's heads.

"Internet Eyes has been set up to reduce shoplifting and street crime in this country. It is not entertainment, but a tool for crime-fighting.

"We aren't doing anything wrong, just helping small shop keepers who can't be watching their CCTV systems 24/7."

Mr Morgan said posters would be in place to warn people the business was taking part in the scheme.

More than 13,000 people have already indicated their interest in the project.

The Information Commissioner's Office has allowed the company to launch after it agreed a number of changes including only allowing subscribers aged 18and over.

The company had planned to offer the service for free but the ICO also requested it make users pay a subscription fee - £12.99 annually or £1.99 monthly - so their details can be checked and to prevent voyeurism and misuse of the system.

A spokesman for the watchdog said: "Our practice makes it clear that CCTV operators should use appropriately trained staff to monitor images. We have provided advice to Internet Eyes on its own data protection compliance.

"We will be checking to ensure it has followed this and investigate any complaints we receive."

Costcutter in Newton Abbot, Devon, is one of several stores across the UK using the service during the trial period.

Shop boss Stephen Adams said: "I'm very excited by the prospect of this service which I feel meets my requirements to help me reduce shrinkage, further protect my staff and save me money."

But opponents such as the No CCTV pressure group have major concerns.

Spokesman Charles Farrier said the scheme was a "profit-making gimmick" and added: "The subscribers are not going to spot crime - these are shops and businesses under surveillance, not crime dens.

"There aren't enough checks and balances in place.

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"We will be looking for instances where they may potentially breach the Data Protection Act."

He added: "This is encouraging a growing trend of citizen spies.

"If people are so concerned about crime they should contact the police.

"They are hiding behind computer screens and willing crime to happen so they get a prize. It is a game."

One subscriber, Paul from Hammersmith, West London, said he thought it was his civic duty to sign up.

He said: "By doing this, I feel I can help. It will help people feel safe and secure and it's not like putting a camera in your house.

"These are in public places. I hate criminality and if I can help stop it, I will."

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VAPlowhorse
10-04-2010, 10:25 AM
A new golden era of entertainment has been ushered in for senior citizens with internet access.

Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 10:25 AM
yes because eye witness testimony is so accurate IRL i can only imagine how many false alarms and law suits will ensue from e-testimony.

Moh7
10-04-2010, 10:27 AM
yes because eye witness testimony is so accurate IRL i can only imagine how many false alarms and law suits will ensue from e-testimony.

read article = profit?

ZenBowman
10-04-2010, 10:30 AM
Looks like this involves private shopkeepers allowing private citizens access to their private cameras in order to deter theives... how is it different from me putting a camera in my house while I'm away and paying someone (eg ADT security) a few bucks to watch my house and alert the police if something criminal happens?

Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 10:32 AM
read article = profit?

i read the fukin article and if you think the lawyers for the falsely accused defendants aren't gonna subpoena the button pushing retards you're sadly mistaken because hey the more the merrier in a class action law suit.

Moh7
10-04-2010, 10:43 AM
i read the fukin article and if you think the lawyers for the falsely accused defendants aren't gonna subpoena the button pushing retards you're sadly mistaken because hey the more the merrier in a class action law suit.

err it works the same way it always has except for when a guy on his comp see's something he pushes a button that tells the operator, the operator then checks if something actually is happening.

The way your describing it: Push button and cops will rush to the scene and arrest anyone.



Also what poster above said. these are private businesses agreeing to share the camera.

Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 10:49 AM
err it works the same way it always has except for when a guy on his comp see's something he pushes a button that tells the operator, the operator then checks if something actually is happening.

The way your describing it: Push button and cops will rush to the scene and arrest anyone.



Also what poster above said. these are private businesses agreeing to share the camera.

actually with them offering prizes for the most sitings that should make the falsely accused, false alarms, harassed customers and overwhelmed shop owners rage. i predict major fail by it's own design. how many times will you put up with having your bags and close searched because old Fred can't see crime but can see money.

Moh7
10-04-2010, 10:51 AM
actually with them offering prizes for the most sitings that should make the falsely accused, false alarms, harassed customers and overwhelmed shop owners rage. i predict major fail by it's own design.

ya the points system is definitely fail. But with the operator checking every claim i dont think it will be abused as much.

Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 10:58 AM
ya the points system is definitely fail. But with the operator checking every claim i dont think it will be abused as much.

well that's fail also because now you will have to have someone checking the plethora of false alarms so what has it saved them and also if i shop somewhere and the attendants are continually watching me efth that place i'm going somewhere else to shop.

Moh7
10-04-2010, 11:04 AM
well that's fail also because now you will have to have someone checking the plethora of false alarms so what has it saved them and also if i shop somewhere and the attendants are continually watching me efth that place i'm going somewhere else to shop.

dont worry, i wont laugh when you buy small sized condoms

Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 11:07 AM
dont worry, i wont laugh when you buy small sized condoms

yeah and i won't laugh when you shop for a nice bra and panties combo.

Moh7
10-04-2010, 11:08 AM
well played...


but maybe its a gift for my mom....

tts0lid
10-04-2010, 11:13 AM
actually with them offering prizes for the most sitings that should make the falsely accused, false alarms, harassed customers and overwhelmed shop owners rage. i predict major fail by it's own design. how many times will you put up with having your bags and close searched because old Fred can't see crime but can see money.

they said false alarms get deducted "points" in the article... so they are discouraging them. also, if certain members are just clicking on false alarms for the lulz, it should be pretty easy to ban their accounts. i mean, it won't be perfect, but i don't think it's going to be a huge problem.

also, it wouldn't just be eye-witness testimony. i'm assuming all of the video will be recorded and able to be played back in court.

it actually seems like a pretty ingenious idea... whoever came up with it is probably going to make a ton of money from it... basically global outsourcing of security camera monitoring...

Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 11:17 AM
well played...


but maybe its a gift for my mom....

as you walk out of the fitting room... i'm thinking not. ;)

ThreeIsMe
10-04-2010, 11:17 AM
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Al Swearengen
10-04-2010, 11:19 AM
they said false alarms get deducted "points" in the article... so they are discouraging them. also, if certain members are just clicking on false alarms for the lulz, it should be pretty easy to ban their accounts. i mean, it won't be perfect, but i don't think it's going to be a huge problem.

also, it wouldn't just be eye-witness testimony. i'm assuming all of the video will be recorded and able to be played back in court.

it actually seems like a pretty ingenious idea... whoever came up with it is probably going to make a ton of money from it... basically global outsourcing of security camera monitoring...

well that's part of my original debunk is the overall very poor average on accuracy of eyewitness's and add to that it's being done via cctv over the net lots of lulz to ensue.

GermanBB
10-04-2010, 11:34 AM
so the SS is alive and well huh?