This why Heath is better than Levrone...

[SeanRector]

Oh hey cool, another retard posting pics of Ronnie in a thread about TWO OTHER PROS.

oh hey its dpnz crying in another thread! boo hoo

[Kulutuea]

And I think he has superior arms by a lot.

So they're sending you a Nitrotech a month to be this dumb right?

[Kiwi_]

i was actually quite dissapointed when i met phil heath! looks alot bigger in pic than IRL! i was confused about evryone calling him narrow until you actually meet him because if you shrunk his arms down he wouldnt even look that special, even though im a fan of heath, his structure will never be good enough to be a multiple MR O winner! Kai (even though im not a fan) has a much better chance than phil! LEVRONE OWNS!

In b4 the backlash.

[flangmasterj]

So they're sending you a Nitrotech a month to be this dumb right?

What's your problem 'soon to be red'?

[boyoboyo]

oh hey its dpnz crying in another thread! boo hoo

I lol'd


What's your problem 'soon to be red'?

his problem is that utter morons statement that phils arms **** all over levrones, which clearly is not the case.

[DPNZ]

his problem is that utter morons statement that phils arms **** all over levrones, which clearly is not the case.

Haha, yeah Phil's arms really do **** all over Levrone's.
Levrone's biceps and forearms pale in comparison.

[asbrus]

Haha, yeah Phil's arms really do **** all over Levrone's.
Levrone's biceps and forearms pale in comparison.

Levrone has very smilar biceps to heath. They both lack that ronnie peak. Levrones triceps are thicker in some poses too. I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny. Actually after watching maryland muscle machine leverone's triceps are thicker than phil's.

[Whey Hey]

Levrone has very smilar biceps to heath. They both lack that ronnie peak. Levrones triceps are thicker in some poses too. I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny. Actually after watching maryland muscle machine leverone's triceps are thicker than phil's.

http://tinyurl.com/2unc4le

[asbrus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o&feature=related

After watching this video levrone completly ****s on heath especially in the arm department.

[asbrus]

http://tinyurl.com/2unc4le

They both have long biceps. If you can't see that then you're just trying to get attention.

[boyoboyo]

Haha, yeah Phil's arms really do **** all over Levrone's.
Levrone's biceps and forearms pale in comparison.

and the heath fans unite. watch out

[asbrus]

and the heath fans unite. watch out

It's like a herd of female lions.

[flangmasterj]

Levrone has very smilar biceps to heath. They both lack that ronnie peak. Levrones triceps are thicker in some poses too. I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny. Actually after watching maryland muscle machine leverone's triceps are thicker than phil's.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o&feature=related

After watching this video levrone completly ****s on heath especially in the arm department.


They both have long biceps. If you can't see that then you're just trying to get attention.

Just stop posting for ****s sake. We've already come to the conclusion you're a complete numbskull when it comes to bodybuilding knowledge.

Did you read a book like I suggested? If that's too hard get some audio books via your local library. Do something man.

"Similar biceps"? This right here just confirms your lack of knowledge. Now **** off!

[SeanRector]

phils arms pale in comparison to dorian the greats

[asbrus]

Just stop posting for ****s sake. We've already come to the conclusion you're a complete numbskull when it comes to bodybuilding knowledge.

Did you read a book like I suggested? If that's too hard get some audio books via your local library. Do something man.

"Similar biceps"? This right here just confirms your lack of knowledge. Now **** off!

The annoying phil heath chronie strikes again. They do have similar biceps go watch a video tape. They both have long biceps instead of high peaks. My lack of knowledge? I've been following your posts and you are the most one dimensional poster on this thread. The only thing you know what to say is either flame other posters to make it look like you're smart when in fact all your posts have very little to do with bodybuilding at all. What can you expect from a guy with an avatar title called phil heath 2010 mr olympia.We get it man. For you it's phil and that's it. I'm gonna call you one dimensional whore from now on.

[flangmasterj]

Okay out of all the pics only sean allen and kuklo have strirated glutes. I give it too kuklo for 1st and bsa 2nd. Burneika is too soft and huh's conditioning isn't better than steve's or bsa.


My lack of knowledge?

Yep.

[the-craig]

If you think Heath's and Levrone's biceps are similar you don't deserve an opinion.

[pyrolee]

I don't think levrone's arms beat Phil's. Phil has so much more detail and separation and great forearms as well.

[flangmasterj]

I don't think levrone's arms beat Phil's. Phil has so much more detail and separation and great forearms as well.

It's this simple.

[DavisForman]

So they're sending you a Nitrotech a month to be this dumb right?



his problem is that utter morons statement that phils arms **** all over levrones, which clearly is not the case.

The offer I gave to Anarky I will now give to the both of you as well. Show me a competition and colored (not black and white) photo where Levrone has arms that are either on par or close to Heath's. If you can do that I will admit I am wrong, I swear to God.

I have said several times in this thread already, I am not a Heath fanboy, I am an objective bodybuilding fan, and when I see someone clearly beating someone else my opinion is not biased. I haven't said anything radical or anything that was not based off of comparison photos or some other similar logic, and yet all you two, and a number of others, have been able to do is bash me and everyone else who agrees with me without coming up with any proof or logic.

You continue to say that "It's very clear that Phil's arms do not sh*t all over Kevin's" or similar things like that, but in no way is it clear at all. Look at this comparison. All I see is Phil Heath with equally full biceps but a superior peak, a much deeper triceps sweep, and much thicker forearms. And the overall detail in Phil's arms are just absolutely ridiculous while Kevin's are as soft as a kitten. Does Phil Heath's arms own Kevin's? IMO, yes, they do.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=29595&id=41768&Itemid=202http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0111.jpg

[hypnojedi]

Levrone looks so much better in that pose, the way his torso opens out. Heath looks like an angry midget with someone else's legs.

Anyway one of these guys "owning" the other's arms is dumb given they're both renowned for their guns. Heath's look more detailed there, but then again we're comparing different lighting and a digital photograph vs a photograph developed on film.

[flangmasterj]

Heath's look more detailed there, but then again we're comparing different lighting and a digital photograph vs a photograph developed on film.

That's because they are.

[DavisForman]

but then again we're comparing different lighting and a digital photograph vs a photograph developed on film.

Yes, because better lighting and a digital camera would make Kevin's triceps and forearms grow and his biceps have a better peak. I can't believe the idiocy in this section...

[hypnojedi]

Thing is no one sensible is saying Heath's arms aren't great (ok, one has a bit fuller tricep than the other) but at the end of the day.... he has a bad frame for a pro bodybuilder. His narrowness bugs the f@ck out of me.

[DavisForman]

His narrowness bugs the f@ck out of me.

Cry more?

[Kulutuea]

Another moron here already posted that pic of Levrone. It's his worst pic, there are plenty of other pics of Levrone competing here where he owns Heath

And no, you won't give up your Heath sponsored fandom if somebody shows you a pic of Levrone owning Heath, since are under contract to rimjob Phil Heath on these forums, along with your butt buddies

Again, apologize to Mr Heath, not his fault his fans are so deluded

[flangmasterj]

at the end of the day.... he has a bad frame for a pro bodybuilder. His narrowness bugs the f@ck out of me.

A top five bodybuilder has a bad frame for a pro bodybuilder?

The trolling in this thread is unparalleled.


****ing cretins.

[Kulutuea]

A top five bodybuilder has a bad frame for a pro bodybuilder?

The trolling in this thread is unparalleled.


****ing cretins.

Hey, buddy, why don't you go on some New Zealand forum and talk about ****ing goats or whatever people do there?

It's pretty clear that you don't know anything about bodybuilding, have a terrible figure yourself, and basically just spend your time here rimming Phil Heath along with your butt buddies

[DavisForman]

there are plenty of other pics of Levrone competing here where he owns Heath

THEN SHOW ME! All of you saying that's a bad picture and there are better ones out there have yet to show me a single other picture. It's like coming to a court trial with no evidence. You have nothing to argue with.

Heath >>>>> Levrone

[DavisForman]

Hey, buddy, why don't you go on some New Zealand forum and talk about ****ing goats or whatever people do there?


So because you're mad you insult his country? Grow up dude and show some respect. Just because we are debating something doesn't mean you have to deal a low blow...

[Kulutuea]

THEN SHOW ME! All of you saying that's a bad picture and there are better ones out there have yet to show me a single other picture. It's like coming to a court trial with no evidence. You have nothing to argue with.

Heath >>>>> Levrone

As I said, tons have been posted here in this thread

The problem isn't you not seeing them, it's that your head is too deep into Phil Heath's ass to see why they're better

[DavisForman]

As I said, tons have been posted here in this thread

The problem isn't you not seeing them, it's that your head is too deep into Phil Heath's ass to see why they're better

I'm still waiting. If they exist then post them up.

[boyoboyo]

THEN SHOW ME! All of you saying that's a bad picture and there are better ones out there have yet to show me a single other picture. It's like coming to a court trial with no evidence. You have nothing to argue with.

Heath >>>>> Levrone

u mad that rational heath fans like coalman, realis that phil is NOT quite at phils level?
you seem so angry in this thread brah....internet = serious business lol

[DavisForman]

realis that phil is NOT quite at phils level?


What?

[Kulutuea]

I'm still waiting. If they exist then post them up.

Stop pretending you can suddenly see a picture that will change your mind. Your mind is made up and it's not going to change

[flangmasterj]

u mad that rational heath fans like coalman, realis that phil is NOT quite at phils level?
you seem so angry in this thread brah....internet = serious business lol

You only thinks he's rational because his opinion is the same as yours.

Also Phil is at Phil's level. He's Phil!

[the-craig]

Stop pretending you can suddenly see a picture that will change your mind. Your mind is made up and it's not going to change

LOL this is your way of saying "you're right but I'm not going to admit it"

[DavisForman]

Stop pretending you can suddenly see a picture that will change your mind. Your mind is made up and it's not going to change

So no picture? Guess I must be right :)

[Kulutuea]

So no picture? Guess I must be right :)

All throughout the thread

[the-craig]

All throughout the thread

Then quote it and bring it to the last page for us.

[DavisForman]

You only thinks he's rational because his opinion is the same as yours.

Also Phil is at Phil's level. He's Phil!

Lol, that's what I was thinking.

And anyone else notice that Mr. boyo is down to 3? Keep it up champ! You'll the color of a troll soon enough.

[DavisForman]

All throughout the thread

I just trained legs today dude, and I'm sure you know (well... maybe you don't :p) how draining they can be. Please be a sport and find it for me :)?

[Kulutuea]

Again, it's not that you haven't seen every picture of Levrone's physique owning Heath's there is

It's that you are too stupid to understand it, that your head is too firmly planted in his ass to see it, etc

[the-craig]

He has conceded defeat.

[DavisForman]

Again, it's not that you haven't seen every picture of Levrone's physique owning Heath's there is

It's that you are too stupid to understand it, that your head is too firmly planted in his ass to see it, etc

Ask Craig (he is even posting in this thread right now), DPNZ, or Flangmasterj and they will all tell you how many times I have argued against them concerning Heath. I am not behind Phil Heath, or any other bodybuilder (except Ben Pak and Fouad, gotta support the Canadian bros!) like most people are behind sports teams. I see them all as great people and can't seem to find a reason to back up one over the other.

And so when I say Phil Heath's arms own Levrone's... it's not because I am a bigger fan of Heath than Levrone... it's honestly because I think his arms are that much better.


He has conceded defeat.

It does appear so, doesn't it.

[Kulutuea]

He has conceded defeat.

But youve demonstrated you don't know the difference between victory or defeat here.

You happily rimjob Phil Heath at all costs, and don't try to hide it

[flangmasterj]

Hey, buddy, why don't you go on some New Zealand forum and talk about ****ing goats or whatever people do there?

It's pretty clear that you don't know anything about bodybuilding, have a terrible figure yourself, and basically just spend your time here rimming Phil Heath along with your butt buddies


How dare you?? They are sheep god dammit!

The trolls are weakening. They are resorting to personal insults. How about some pictures to back up your comments?

[DavisForman]

The trolls are weakening. They are resorting to personal insults.

FMEe7JqBgvg

[Kulutuea]

Ask Craig (he is even posting in this thread right now), DPNZ, or Flangmasterj and they will all tell you how many times I have argued against them concerning Heath. I am not behind Phil Heath, or any other bodybuilder (except Ben Pak and Fouad, gotta support the Canadian bros!) like most people are behind sports teams. I see them all as great people and can't seem to find a reason to back up one over the other.

And so when I say Phil Heath's arms own Levrone's... it's not because I am a bigger fan of Heath than Levrone... it's honestly because I think his arms are that much better.

It does appear so, doesn't it.

The definition of being behind a bodybuilder is attributing ludicrous statements to him like his arms own Kevin Levrone's

So if you say Heath's arms "own" Levrone's, you're behind him whether you say you are or not

[Kulutuea]

The only trolling here is from Phil Heath's contract homo bandwagon

Of course, apologies to Mr Heath, not his fault

[DavisForman]

The definition of being behind a bodybuilder is attributing ludicrous statements to him like his arms own Kevin Levrone's

So if you say Heath's arms "own" Levrone's, you're behind him whether you say you are or not

Okay troll, I'll be waiting for that picture. As soon as you find the strength to dig it up I'll be happy to give it a look over.

[Kulutuea]

Okay troll, I'll be waiting for that picture. As soon as you find the strength to dig it up I'll be happy to give it a look over.

You've seen it, just too stupid to understand

[the-craig]

You've seen it, just too stupid to understand

The fact you wont even quote a picture to bump it proves you know you're wrong but wont admit. Get over it.

[Kulutuea]

The fact you wont even quote a picture to bump it proves you know you're wrong but wont admit. Get over it.

They have already been posted and you have already seen them, but you are not smart enough to understand why they would be better

[the-craig]

They have already been posted and you have already seen them, but you are not smart enough to understand why they would be better

This is hilarious how you wont quote one picture. What is the harm in it?

[DPNZ]

They have already been posted and you have already seen them, but you are not smart enough to understand why they would be better

Go



away.

[Kulutuea]

This is hilarious how you wont quote one picture. What is the harm in it?

What is the point, seeing as how you're too stupid to understand what you're looking at?

[flangmasterj]

Is that Eric Bana on your mouse pad Kulutuea?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/nevsmaller.jpg

[Kulutuea]

Go



away.

^ This is the last Phil Heath buttbuddy team member

[the-craig]

ITT, Kulutuea is scared to post a picture of Levrone because he knows he's wrong but wont admit it no matter what because it's Phil Heath and he's a hater.

[Kulutuea]

Is that Eric Bana on your mouse pad Kulutuea?

I can't believe all this time we have been arguing about Levrones and Heaths arms...when YOURS are really the best! Wow, look at that! LOL

^ joke

[Kulutuea]

ITT, Kulutuea is scared to post a picture of Levrone because he knows he's wrong but wont admit it no matter what because it's Phil Heath and he's a hater.

ITT: a lot of Phil Heath rimjobbers doing what they usually do

[the-craig]

If Levrone is better then provide some pictures which prove it. The fact you wont shows he isn't.

[Kulutuea]

If Levrone is better then provide some pictures which prove it. The fact you wont shows he isn't.

Too stupid to understand

[flangmasterj]

I can't believe all this time we have been arguing about Levrones and Heaths arms...when YOURS are really the best! Wow, look at that! LOL

Strange to hear a compliment amongst all of these insults. Thanks man.

[asbrus]

You need to start thinking up some better comebacks. I show you proof and you show nothing.

Once again you take my words out of context. I didn't say he had a bad triceps sweep, I said IN THAT PICTURE they don't. Notice how in the FDB his triceps don't scoop down nearly as low as Phil's do? That was what I was pointing out. Do you see what I'm saying?

HIs triceps don't scoop out because they're so big he can't put them against his side fully.

[DPNZ]

I can't believe all this time we have been arguing about Levrones and Heaths arms...when YOURS are really the best! Wow, look at that! LOL

^ joke

Heard your arms are PHENOMENAL, would love to see a pic.

[asbrus]

but then again we're comparing different lighting and a digital photograph vs a photograph developed on film.

Thank you. This guy said it. Read that female herds. Davis you biased bastard look at those two pics you posted they're completly different photo types and you use this to prove your point.

[asbrus]

The offer I gave to Anarky I will now give to the both of you as well. Show me a competition and colored (not black and white) photo where Levrone has arms that are either on par or close to Heath's. If you can do that I will admit I am wrong, I swear to God.

I have said several times in this thread already, I am not a Heath fanboy, I am an objective bodybuilding fan, and when I see someone clearly beating someone else my opinion is not biased. I haven't said anything radical or anything that was not based off of comparison photos or some other similar logic, and yet all you two, and a number of others, have been able to do is bash me and everyone else who agrees with me without coming up with any proof or logic.

You continue to say that "It's very clear that Phil's arms do not sh*t all over Kevin's" or similar things like that, but in no way is it clear at all. Look at this comparison. All I see is Phil Heath with equally full biceps but a superior peak, a much deeper triceps sweep, and much thicker forearms. And the overall detail in Phil's arms are just absolutely ridiculous while Kevin's are as soft as a kitten. Does Phil Heath's arms own Kevin's? IMO, yes, they do.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=29595&id=41768&Itemid=202http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0111.jpg

Let's now compare a picture today to one 15 years ago how about that. Why not post the video I posted earlier that shows leveron's arms completly overpowering heaths. Instead you use deceptive pics to prove your point. Your trolling is now becoming obvious. Everybody this is how davey boy compares pros of different eras. Not through similar videotapes but through different photo types 15 years in between of eatch other.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o Levrone's are better than heath's in this video.

[flangmasterj]

Thank you. This guy said it. Read that female herds. Davis you biased bastard look at those two pics you posted they're completly different photo types and you use this to prove your point.

So Kevin does have the detail and peaks but because the photograph is a scan and is of slightly less quality it's hiding these attributes?

You have nothing gremlin, now **** off!

[asbrus]

That's because they are.

but then again we're comparing different lighting and a digital photograph vs a photograph developed on film. Read this until it gets through your head.

[asbrus]

So Kevin does have the detail and peaks but because the photograph is a scan and is of slightly less quality it's hiding these attributes?

You have nothing gremlin, now **** off!

The photos are complety different one is digital the other isn't and their about 15 years apart. Nice try though. Way to change the subject like you always do. Like I said you are the most biased poster towards heath. Anybody you isn't one sided like you can spot your obvious trolling by comparing any body part that heath has to do the best. You can do this all day along. Just go take a break man. No matter what you're always gonna say heath is better in everything. This is why you're a brick wall. No critique,no way to analyze, but just flame people and you're just one dimension all for heath in every body part. Pathetic.

[DPNZ]

but then again we're comparing different lighting and a digital photograph vs a photograph developed on film. Read this until it gets through your head.

What the HELL are you talking about you un-educated fruit cake?

My god, some of the crap you type...

[asbrus]

What the HELL are you talking about you un-educated fruit cake?

My god, some of the crap you type...

Ouch, another female cub comes to the attack with another post completly irrelevant to the topic.
This isn't about me. It's about the photographs being different. If you can't see that and are calling me a fruit cake then you're trying to look smart when in fact you're just blind.
I didn't type that I bumped that from a poster who earlier typed that and he's right. Half the posts from the female herd is off topic. This is too funny.

[DPNZ]

Ouch, another female cub comes to the attack with another post completly irrelevant to the topic.
This isn't about me. It's about the photographs being different. If you can't see that and are calling me a fruit cake then you're trying to look smart when in fact you're just blind.
I didn't type that I bumped that from a poster who earlier typed that and he's right. Half the posts from the female herd is off topic. This is too funny.

Believe me when I say that me thinking you're a fruit-cake is an opinion based off of your entire post history. If we're talking about "irrelevance" then please, actually read one of your messed up posts, they're like something from the Twilight Zone.

I'm still laughing about your bullcrap on how you can't compare photos from different decades. Priceless.

[asbrus]

Believe me when I say that me thinking you're a fruit-cake is an opinion based off of your entire post history. If we're talking about "irrelevance" then please, actually read one of your messed up posts, they're like something from the Twilight Zone.

You just proved my point. All you posts are off topic garbage. DPNZ just go get dped by flanmasterj and a fellow new zelander and call it a day. I think you deserve it with all your hard off topic posts.

[asbrus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o Levrone's arms are better than heath's in this video and the total package.

The thread ends here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o

[DPNZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o Levrone's arms are better than heath's in this video and the total package.

The thread ends here.

Haha, sh*t guys, it ends here :rolleyes:

Also, can you (and the other haters) stop making sexual references when referring to the Heath fans? Is it really necessary?


His biceps are crap.

Levrone's arms are just a nice set of Tri's. The rest is average.

[BaGeL23]

I think Heath's arms are at least the 2nd best to ever be on this planet...but to say Levrone has crap biceps is ludicrous, the mans arms are still in the top 10 ever.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35371&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35366&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35332&Itemid=266
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=44197&id=40910&Itemid=202

[DavisForman]

They have already been posted and you have already seen them, but you are not smart enough to understand why they would be better

I give you my word I will honestly and thoroughly compare them, and if they are close, I will admit.

[Kiwi_]

I think Heath's arms are at least the 2nd best to ever be on this planet...but to say Levrone has crap biceps is ludicrous, the mans arms are still in the top 10 ever.


Wheeler lookin pretty badass there too.

[AnarkyLost]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2455747021_42b1938361_o.jpg

[Daewoo_Lanos]

12 pages.. has it been established yet that as pretty as Heath's arms are, he still doesn't have arms bigger than Levrone did at his biggest?

not that size is all that matters. just wondering.

[AnarkyLost]

http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/fotogaleria/b_34_levrone14.jpg

[asbrus]

12 pages.. has it been established yet that as pretty as Heath's arms are, he still doesn't have arms bigger than Levrone did at his biggest?

not that size is all that matters. just wondering.

I pointed that out twice that levrone arms are thicker than phils.

[golfpunk1985]

ITT, Kulutuea is scared to post a picture of Levrone because he knows he's wrong but wont admit it no matter what because it's Phil Heath and he's a hater.

LOL. This thread is full of Levrone pictures showing that he has better arms than Phil Heath. The pics have already been posted numerous times. Go to earlier pages in the thread and see for yourself.

[lovebbing]

LOL. This thread is full of Levrone pictures showing that he has better arms than Phil Heath. The pics have already been posted numerous times. Go to earlier pages in the thread and see for yourself.

lulz. levrone better arms than heath. now ive heard it all

[golfpunk1985]

lulz. levrone better arms than heath. now ive heard it all

Most people agree that Ronnie Coleman had the best arms ever. Well Levrone actually had bigger arms than Coleman.

Proof:

http://muscletime.com/gallery/pro-bodybuilding/olympia-contest/1998-olympia/contest/kevin-levrone-and-ronnie-coleman-at-1998-mr-olympia

[BaGeL23]

^^they were bigger at one point....Ronnie's biceps and forearms were always better than Levrone's.

[INMATEaco]

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=29595&id=41768&Itemid=202http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0111.jpg

i like the part where you posted pics of heath at his best (at the time) and levrone at his worst. get over it, im a fan of both athletes and i believe heath in the near future will overtake levrone, but at then present time levrone > heath

/thread

[ultimaet_solder]

levrone is one of my favourite bbers. heath looks good sure, but levrone has a really gorgeous face and a great hairstyle. so i have to give the edge to my boy kevin. i think heath would look great with some cornrolls like ulysses

[Kiwi_]

levrone is one of my favourite bbers. heath looks good sure, but levrone has a really gorgeous face and a great hairstyle. so i have to give the edge to my boy kevin. i think heath would look great with some cornrolls like ulysses

http://blog.vh1.com/files/2009/04/ray_zoom.gif

[AnarkyLost]

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=4348&id=40632&Itemid=266
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=4348&id=40765&Itemid=266

[flangmasterj]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/IMG_3778-1.jpg

[spamy]

12 pages.. has it been established yet that as pretty as Heath's arms are, he still doesn't have arms bigger than Levrone did at his biggest?

not that size is all that matters. just wondering.

Bro that's like stopping the grapefruit jokes about Kai, it's useless. From comparing Levrone and Kevin as whole bodies it went to comparing only Phil's arms with Kevin's arms. As usual...

[Dantop]

I read all posts here.

Considering the total package, Levrone beats Heat without difficulties, no dubts.

That's why.
We can't compare Heat and Levrone without to consider this point:
They came from different generations. This means also different medicinal and steroids.

The two guys have great genetic, ok.
Heat's separation and striation are better than Levrone. No dubt.
Maybe because the new medicinal? I don't know but I can say that most of actual bodybuilders have better separation and striation than Levrone.
That will mean somethning.

Phil has the short clavicles.
This influences his shape, his poses and his perception of largeness.
Kevin not.
Phil has a structural limit, he could neve be better than Levrone, now and in the future ten years of gym.

We could stay here to discuss in eternal about which muscle is better in Phil or Levrone.
That's not the matter. In this way I can say the left Phil's arm is the best ever. I really think so.
I can say the Levrone's shoulders are the best ever. And so on.

Considering the shape, the figure, the perception of the tickness, Kevin beats Phil.
The whole shape of Kevin's arms, shoulders, traps and pectorals is the best ever.
I'm sorry, Phil can't compete with him.

Phil with dresses seems a normal guy.
Find me a Phil's picture with this bodybuilding impression.
[QUOTE=xpeterx;527077033]QUOTE]

Bodybuilding is also this.

I'm a Phil fun, he is my actual favourite BBer, mostruous muscles, arms and genetic but Kevin is Kevin.

[Dantop]

Holy ****, I never thought of Levrone as being extraordinarily wide, but that´s pretty impressive (looks thick as **** too)...

This photo.

[golfpunk1985]

The whole shape of Kevin's arms, shoulders, traps and pectorals is the best ever.
I'm sorry, Phil can't compete with him.


That was the only part of your whole post that made sense.

[boyoboyo]

I think Heath's arms are at least the 2nd best to ever be on this planet...but to say Levrone has crap biceps is ludicrous, the mans arms are still in the top 10 ever.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35371&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35366&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35332&Itemid=266
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=44197&id=40910&Itemid=202

funny how davisd!ickheads gone quiet now.
id love to see phils arms stack up this well against the GOAT.
for what its worth, i think phil does have better arms.
but NOT by a large amount.

[flangmasterj]

davisd!ickheads

Come on bro.

[BIGSTTNJFF]

ronnie was beast!!

that split on the peak of his bicep is just insane

All these guys are/ where the studs of there time.

[flangmasterj]

funny how davisd!ickheads gone quiet now.
id love to see phils arms stack up this well against the GOAT.
for what its worth, i think phil does have better arms.
but NOT by a large amount.

Hahaha. This dude negged me.

Comment: u mad? you and your fatceps cuzzzzz. come at me bro

I'm loving the lingo. Very original.

[Dantop]

That was the only part of your whole post that made sense.

Why, the rest didn't have sense?

[BIGSTTNJFF]

Hahaha. This dude negged me.

Comment: u mad? you and your fatceps cuzzzzz. come at me bro

I'm loving the lingo. Very original.

Both these guys are/ where studs. Just depends on who we like . We all like different music, and the same with the pro's.

[ResovoirDog]

Levrone is my favourite bodybuilder ever.
BUT Heath has better arms.
Kevin just had insane triceps, where as the whole of phils arm looks insane.

But for anyone to say Heaths arms **** on Levrones is just biased

[DavisForman]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2455747021_42b1938361_o.jpg

Like I said, I would admit it, and in this picture Levrone's arms are very close to Heath's. I tried to find a similar picture of Heath at the Arnold, and the only real difference I can see is a tiny bit more detail, his lateral head of his triceps is a bit fuller, and of course his forearms are bigger.


i like the part where you posted pics of heath at his best (at the time) and levrone at his worst.

Omg, don't come into a thread 340 posts in and think just start judging other's posts. I must have said it ten times already, I COULDN'T FIND A BETTER FDB OF KEVIN LEVRONE, so if you would like to argue for Kevin, feel free to find a better picture. Everyone has bashed that photo and yet for being so sh*tty, no one has found a better FDB.


http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=4348&id=40632&Itemid=266
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=4348&id=40765&Itemid=266

See, now this is where you guys and myself differ in our opinions. I don't find anything appealing about Levrone's arms here. And guys, I just admitted his arms were great above, so how about a bit of mutual respect and try and understand what I am about to say?

I don't like Kevin's arms, nothing about them appeals to me. In the above photos, all he has is size, IMO. There is virtually no detail and no separation. Then you take Phil Heath's arms, which are on par for size, but have infinitely more detail and separation. To me, it's a no brainer that Heath has much better arms. Again, it's just my opinion, if you disagree, that's cool.


funny how davisd!ickheads gone quiet now.


It's called different time zones, ever heard of them?

[ResovoirDog]

Like I said, I would admit it, and in this picture Levrone's arms are very close to Heath's. I tried to find a similar picture of Heath at the Arnold, and the only real difference I can see is a tiny bit more detail, his lateral head of his triceps is a bit fuller, and of course his forearms are bigger.

Good lad, i thought you'd never admit it. Respect

[DavisForman]

Good lad, i thought you'd never admit it. Respect

Thanks dude. As much as it might seem otherwise in this thread, I am not on the Heath bandwagon :p I am just as much of a fan of Heath as I am of Kai, Victor, Jay, and nearly every other top pro.

[Jag3034]

I read all posts here.

Considering the total package, Levrone beats Heat without difficulties, no dubts.


Considering the shape, the figure, the perception of the tickness, Kevin beats Phil.
The whole shape of Kevin's arms, shoulders, traps and pectorals is the best ever.
I'm sorry, Phil can't compete with him.




I agree. From the front levrone is probably the best ever IMO

[Hyatt]

I'm have to go with Levrone.
When Kevin shaved his head he was a beast!

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3149/kevinlevrone97.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/kevinlevrone97.jpg/)

[mikieson]

Levrone is one of my top favorites. Always has been. BUT imho Phils physique kills Kevins. Phil has that cool small waist and rounded wasp like back. Giant legs and arms that kill any pros out there.

So what if Phil is "narrow?"...He brings far too much to the stage to be ignored. AND Phils arms and forearms absolutely kill Kevins. PLUS he comes to the stage ready all the time. Very classic build.

[Tony_Ulibarri]

Kevin Levrone has better shoulder structure. Better delts and traps.

[T3mpest]

Kevins arms hold their own from behind, but a front angle like a FDB he just gets killed by heath. Kevin doesn't have much bi/tri seperation and that really hurts him in that pose. It's also why Ronnie's arms beat Kevins usually, that and bi peak, which Phil has a little more of than Kevin. Phils' arms are a great mix of fullness vs peak and he has great seperation from ALL angles. Looking at the arnold 2010 prejudging vid, IMO the best of Phil is better than Kevin. Kevin never had a back and legs at the same time. Kevins best legs would be close as would his best back, but he never brought that total package.

[Superfly1]

neither are the total package they are both almosts.

[trulyhuge1]

I am a huge Heath fan and want to see him win the "O" BUT, he's not yet in Levrone's league! Levrone was one hell of a bodybuilder....one of the all-time greats. Heath would even admit to not being up to par with him. Someday, maybe or yes. Now.....Levrone is a legend and deserves more respect. I guess people who are voting Heath are newer to bodybuilding.

[Loctus]

If we put the best of Levrone next to the best of Heath, Heath would win it, no questions asked. His conditioning (especially from the back) is way superior to anything Levrone ever brought to the stage.

It does not matter that Levrone is a legend in the sport and a uncrowned Mr. Olympia. Hell, Arnold wouldn't be able to qualify for a pro card today and he's one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

[trulyhuge1]

If we put the best of Levrone next to the best of Heath, Heath would win it, no questions asked. His conditioning (especially from the back) is way superior to anything Levrone ever brought to the stage.

It does not matter that Levrone is a legend in the sport and a uncrowned Mr. Olympia. Hell, Arnold wouldn't be able to qualify for a pro card today and he's one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

Again, you obviously do not remember Levrone very well. heath is a stud, but not as good (YET) as Levrone was.

[trulyhuge1]

Looks awesome even by today's standards.

[the-craig]

Looks awesome even by today's standards.

I already knew that was going to be a most muscular before I even looked. What about his back?

[TonkaT]

If we put the best of Levrone next to the best of Heath, Heath would win it, no questions asked. His conditioning (especially from the back) is way superior to anything Levrone ever brought to the stage.

It does not matter that Levrone is a legend in the sport and a uncrowned Mr. Olympia. Hell, Arnold wouldn't be able to qualify for a pro card today and he's one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

I'm pretty sure if Arnold was born at a later date and followed the same career as a bodybuilder, used all the drugs the bodybuilders today used he'd be the Mr olympia still.

[Hyatt]

Arnold wouldn't be able to qualify for a pro card today and he's one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

Man you're full of it...

just check out any picture of Arnold from the 1973 or 1974 Olympia for a reality check!

here's a thread at MD with the pictures to prove it
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=92749

[Hyatt]

I already knew that was going to be a most muscular before I even looked. What about his back?

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=74164

That thread has some good shots of Kevin's back compared to Dorian.

Kevin's back was not as bad off as some people think, it's true he sometimes came in with his back and legs smaller or off with the conditioning... but when he was on and nailed it you could see how good they were.

[Loctus]

Anyone thinking that Levrone could hang with Heath and that prime-Arnold could win a top NPC show today needs a serious reality check, that is all I can say.

No seriously, lol @ you guys. Strong non-existant knowledge of todays judging criteria.

[lancs_hotpot]

Cant believe people still bring up the fact that Arny couldnt make it pro today. I mean how is that relevant really?

[Loctus]

Cant believe people still bring up the fact that Arny couldnt make it pro today. I mean how is that relevant really?

I brought it up in my post to illustrate that bodybuilding evolves, it moves forward. Not only the athletes get better and better, but judging criteria changes aswell. This is relevant since Levrone probably could hang with Heath size-wise, but in my opinion there is no comparing their conditioning (AC10 Heath, anyone?), which today seems more important than it was before. Look at Leo Ingram, he came to a smaller show absolutely massive and in good conditioning, but not THAT good, so he didn't even place in the top 3. Something he might have done five or six years ago vs. the exact same guys (due to changes in the judging).

[lancs_hotpot]

I brought it up in my post to illustrate that bodybuilding evolves, it moves forward. Not only the athletes get better and better, but judging criteria changes aswell. This is relevant since Levrone probably could hang with Heath size-wise, but in my opinion there is no comparing their conditioning (AC10 Heath, anyone?), which today seems more important than it was before. Look at Leo Ingram, he came to a smaller show absolutely massive and in good conditioning, but not THAT good, so he didn't even place in the top 3. Something he might have done five or six years ago vs. the exact same guys (due to changes in the judging).

Fair enough mate.

[DPNZ]

The irony with the evolution of bodybuilding is that Ronnie Coleman was a massive spike in the IFBB timeline.
He was so different from everyone else. Really hanging out to see what the future will bring and if we'll get another super-freak any time soon.



(yes, i'm also aware of the irony in bringing Ronnie up again in another thread, but it is relevant!)

[DavisForman]

The irony with the evolution of bodybuilding is that Ronnie Coleman was a massive spike in the IFBB timeline.
He was so different from everyone else. Really hanging out to see what the future will bring and if we'll get another super-freak any time soon.



(yes, i'm also aware of the irony in bringing Ronnie up again in another thread, but it is relevant!)

That's a good point, one that has sort of been subconsciously on my mind for a while. Every other Mr. Olympia prior to Ronnie Coleman was better than his predecessor (the only exception being Arnold). Prime Ronnie was SO much better than both Dorian and Jay, breaking that pattern.

[asbrus]

I brought it up in my post to illustrate that bodybuilding evolves, it moves forward. Not only the athletes get better and better, but judging criteria changes aswell. This is relevant since Levrone probably could hang with Heath size-wise, but in my opinion there is no comparing their conditioning (AC10 Heath, anyone?), which today seems more important than it was before. Look at Leo Ingram, he came to a smaller show absolutely massive and in good conditioning, but not THAT good, so he didn't even place in the top 3. Something he might have done five or six years ago vs. the exact same guys (due to changes in the judging).

Phil has yet to get 2nd at the 0lympia and got 5th place in his last showing to guys that kevin would destroy.So how in the world would he beat levrone who competed in the toughest era and placed much better? One can just look at the placings and the caliber of competition to determine that there is no way phil would beat levrone. Lower placing with lower competition than when levrone competed.

[flangmasterj]

Phil has yet to get 2nd at the 0lympia and got 5th place in his last showing to guys that kevin would destroy.So how in the world would he beat levrone who competed in the toughest era and placed much better? One can just look at the placings and the caliber of competition to determine that there is no way phil would beat levrone. Lower placing with lower competition than when levrone competed.

Kevin wouldn't destroy Jay, Dex, Kai, Victor, Branch or Phil. Size wise he would be very competitive but conditioning wise he would get beaten.

[Whey Hey]

Kevin wouldn't destroy Jay, Dex, Kai, Victor, Branch or Phil. Size wise he would be very competitive but conditioning wise he would get beaten.

He would get beaten by Jay in terms of conditioning? lol

Posted at the top of the page ^ :p

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3149/kevinlevrone97.jpg

[Super Naut]

Anyone thinking that Levrone could hang with Heath and that prime-Arnold could win a top NPC show today needs a serious reality check, that is all I can say.

No seriously, lol @ you guys. Strong non-existant knowledge of todays judging criteria.

levrone could definitely hang with heath. he hung with ronnie in every pose, but the back shots(which is not saying much). his back wasnt horrible by any means especially in RLS. heath's back is still a weakness as well as far as width is concerned, he has a much better shape in RDB, but thats about it.

and im not some desperate levrone fan trying to keep the legend. levrone was 5'9 245lbs shredded with very good proportions/stucture. guys from the 90's could hang with anyone.

[DavisForman]

He would get beaten by Jay in terms of conditioning? lol

Posted at the top of the page ^ :p

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3149/kevinlevrone97.jpg

Sorry dude, but not a competition photo, therefore irrelevant.

Everyone looks great, and even grainy, in gym shots or photo shoots where variables can be manipulated.

[asbrus]

Kevin wouldn't destroy Jay, Dex, Kai, Victor, Branch or Phil. Size wise he would be very competitive but conditioning wise he would get beaten.

This makes no sense. Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning.The competitors during dorian's and levron's times were much more conditioned than now. They're just not as bigger.

[flangmasterj]

Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning.

^ Confirmation that you're a troll.

[asbrus]

^ Confirmation that you're a troll.

I guess dorian is a troll too and everybody else who agrees conditioning was better in the 1990's than now. Your posts do not make sense at all. Levrone in his prime had strirated glutes. Go watch some videos noob. You just said that competitors now have better conditioning than in levron's time. This just proves how little you know about bodybuilding.

[flangmasterj]

I guess dorian is a troll too and everybody else who agrees conditioning was better in the 1990's than now. Your posts do not make sense at all. Levrone in his prime had strirated glutes. Go watch some videos noob.

You just said "Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning".

This is bull****. There are multiple pictures in this thread which clearly shows how wrong you are.


You just said that competitors now have better conditioning than in levron's time. This just proves how little you know about bodybuilding.

I never said that. You're talking **** again. I said "conditioning wise he (Kevin Levrone) would get beaten".

Why do you keep accusing people of saying things that never actually occurred?

[DavisForman]

Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning.

It's a well advised fact to never use "always" or other definite words in bodybuilding. They always come back to bite you in the a$$, just like they have right now ;)

Glutes as soft as a new born kitten.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=52991&id=46218&Itemid=202

[asbrus]

You just said "Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning".

This is bull****. There are multiple pictures in this thread which clearly shows how wrong you are.



I never said that. You're talking **** again. I said "conditioning wise he (Kevin Levrone) would get beaten".

Why do you keep accusing people of saying things that never actually occurred?


In his prime yes he did.
If they better conditioning than levrone than that means they have better conditioning than other pros in the 1990's too because Levrone competed in the 1990's and was one of the best conditioned athletes in his prime. I have to break it down for you like you're a child.

[DavisForman]

Want more?

So much for "Always had striated glutes"

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=10956&id=42040&Itemid=266

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41216&Itemid=202

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=20561&id=41224&Itemid=266

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12851&id=36815&Itemid=202

[asbrus]

It's a well advised fact to never use "always" or other definite words in bodybuilding. They always come back to bite you in the a$$, just like they have right now ;)

Glutes as soft as a new born kitten.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=52991&id=46218&Itemid=202

I meant in his prime. I clarified that later on.

[DavisForman]

Now these... THESE! are striated glutes!

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0162.jpg

[asbrus]

Now these... THESE! are striated glutes!

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0162.jpg

Yah way to post of a pic of levrone past his prime and in his prime not flexing his glutes to prove your point.

[DavisForman]

I meant in his prime. I clarified that later on.

Then show me troll. And I highly doubt they will be anything to rival Heath's conditioning at this year's Arnold.

[DavisForman]

Yah way to post of a pic of levrone past his prime and in his prime not flexing his glutes to prove your point.

That's Phil Heath, not Kevin Levrone... but don't worry, the names take a while to memorize.

[Super Naut]

levrone had more striations in glutes( in some of those pics) than a lot of guys who still do well today and plenty of detail in hamstrings.

either way, arguing condition is pointless. if he needed to drop some water to be competitive, it wouldnt be much of a challenge. and it wouldnt be a drastic change to his physique. we arent talking soft vs shredded, he has maybe a bit of extra water.

[asbrus]

That's Phil Heath, not Kevin Levrone... but don't worry, the names take a while to memorize.

I know that's phil I was reffering to your pics of levrone.Your selecting pics of levrone past his prime and phil flexing in that position to prove your point. Go watch the 1992-1994 vids of levrone. On top of this you're selecting phil's best show.

[flangmasterj]

Is that asbrus I see down there?

I hope your gym work ethic is as good as your ability to dig holes this big day after day.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/sinkhole.jpg

[DavisForman]

I know that's phil I was reffering to your pics of levrone.Your selecting pics of levrone past his prime and phil flexing in that position to prove your point. Go watch the 1992-1994 vids of levrone.

You said "Levron always had striated glutes"

I was proving you wrong, all pics are valid.

[flangmasterj]

Go watch the 1992-1994 vids.

"Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning."

Always = 1992 to 1994.

[DavisForman]

"Levrone always had strirated glutes with spot on conditioning."

Always = 1992 to 1994.

Lmfao, apparently.

[flangmasterj]

Sean Allen always has striated glutes.

[asbrus]

You said "Levron always had striated glutes"

I was proving you wrong, all pics are valid.

Hey moron when we compare pros we don't post pics of one pro past his prime and another of in his prime to compate photos. I know you do that well. So yes I clarified that in my next post that always meant in his prime not past his prime.

[flangmasterj]

Hey moron when we compare pros we don't post pics of one pro past his prime and another of in his prime to compate photos. I know you do that well. So yes I clarified that in my next post that always meant in his prime not past his prime.

You can't dig up bro.

[asbrus]

Then show me troll. And I highly doubt they will be anything to rival Heath's conditioning at this year's Arnold.

Like I said go watch levrone in his prime. No point in comparing athetes past primes. I'm not surprised though that you can only find one pic of heath in his best showing and take levrone's worst showings. You're extremly biased this is evident when you mentioned phil got 2nd at the olympia a couple pages back in the 0 to prove your point. I actually think you believe that's what happened no joke.

[flangmasterj]

Like I said go watch levrone in his prime. No point in comparing athetes past primes.

Shouldn't he have had striated glutes even though it was past his prime?

What's your definition of 'always?

[DavisForman]

Shouldn't he have had striated glutes even though it was past his prime?

What's your definition of 'always?

Definition of Always, graciously provided by asbrus...

Always: Once

[flangmasterj]

Definition of Always, graciously provided by asbrus...

Always: Once

Hahahaha and apparently you can have more than one prime.

[asbrus]

Hahahaha and apparently you can have more than one prime.

Yah it's called prime years.

[flangmasterj]

1992-1994 and one tuesday morning next to a window in 1997?

[asbrus]

1992-1994 and one tuesday morning next to a window in 1997?

Don't confuse yourself. Athletes have prime years.

[DPNZ]

Oh man, he's like a rapid dog. He won't let go.

Can you please show us ONE picture where Levrone has better conditioning on stage than that RDB of Heath?

[klow2008]

Phil will never have the pleasing classic physique Kevin showed for many years. 93 Olympia was one of the best displays of perfection ever (from kevin) behind flex wheeler and coleman. Phils already getting a Gut and in 2-3yrs time he will start to get the burn out look.

[DPNZ]

Phil will never have the pleasing classic physique Kevin showed for many years. 93 Olympia was one of the best displays of perfection ever (from kevin) behind flex wheeler and coleman. Phils already getting a Gut and in 2-3yrs time he will start to get the burn out look.

You ever hear of Heath at the 2010 Arnold brah?

[Superfly1]

You ever hear of Heath at the 2010 Arnold brah?

another contest he didnt win wasnt it?

[trulyhuge1]

I already knew that was going to be a most muscular before I even looked. What about his back?

Oh, sorry, I didn't know there was a criteria for posting pics. This thread is humorous. There are obviously Heath lovers and Levrone lovers. I fall into both categories but give credit where credit is due.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

He would get beaten by Jay in terms of conditioning? lol

Posted at the top of the page ^ :p

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3149/kevinlevrone97.jpg

No offence but that's a gym pic.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Yah it's called prime years.

You really are one dumb tit.

[hypnojedi]

Now these... THESE! are striated glutes!

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0162.jpg

Horribly narrow, guy shouldn't be a bodybuilder, at least if he was skinny then his unusually narrow frame would go unnoticed.

[flangmasterj]

Horribly narrow, guy shouldn't be a bodybuilder, at least if he was skinny then his unusually narrow frame would go unnoticed.

Amateur trolling skills right there. I'd like to see a little creativity and originality.

[asbrus]

You really are one dumb tit.

I like debating but when you disagree and call someone dumb just because he says that an athlete has prime years then you're just trying to get noticed and act smart. and dumb tit? Strong choice of vocabulary but judging by your avatar name and pic I'm not surprised. Now GTFO.

[BIGSTTNJFF]

No offence but that's a gym pic.

Loved that vid!!!

[the-craig]

I can't believe this thread is still alive. I think a lot of people are saying Levrone because he's a 90's bodybuilder and placed higher in the Olympia, which doesn't have anything to do with it. If Heath competed in the same shows back in the day he would have placed infront of him without a doubt.

[vve]

What's going on it that gnats cock size brain of yours?

I said he had a "thick ass chest".


I never would have thought I would be defending Phil so passionately. But to be fair, I never thought this section could possibly get any dumber. You guys have really made yourselves proud today. I am starting to legitimately think some of you have escaped your doctors (you know, the ones in the white coats who put you to sleep with needles when you misbehave?) and have found a computer.

Here comes the mega post:



I could compare myself to Ronnie Coleman if I wanted to. Doesn't mean the comparison will look good on my part, but I could still do it. Please turn the filter back on in your brain, you know the one that stops most people from say dumbass sh*t?



If he adds more mass he will look narrower?

Nominated for most stupid post of the year.



Phil should also have an Arnold Classic under his belt, as as well as a second place finish at the 08 Olympia. I'd say that's enough to be compared.



Wow... what a sh*tty FDB...



Let me share a small fact with you buddy.... if you are out conditioned, you can lose every single pose to another guy who has no right in beating you. If Levrone came with the conditioning Phil brought at this year's AC, then maybe he would win all those poses. But he didn't. Phil is WAY more shredded than Levrone, hence he wins almost every pose in my books.

In b4 Asbrus says "Wow, you actually think Phil's conditioning was better? Kevin had way better conditioning..." or something along those lines.



Thank God!

Edit: Why didn't you actually stop?



Hamstrings and Back. Two pretty big muscle groups if you ask me.



Lol, it's too late broseph, you can't change what you had originally said. All you said was it wasn't thick, which is completely wrong. Phil's chest is one of densest on stage, it just isn't very wide.



Math Lesson:

We live in a 3D world, meaning that everything around us can be expressed in three different dimensions, such as length, height, and width. You good so far with just that? Awesome, lets continue.

So how can we express Phil's chest? Lets say height is vertical measurement of his chest, width is the horizontal measurement of his chest, and depth is... well, it's the depth of his chest :p As far as height goes, Phil does not have high insertions. They don't insert ridiculously low like Ronnie's did, but they also aren't super high like Lee Priest's. Now his, width, yes, it's narrow. That is his singular weakness. Moving on. His depth? GTFO! His chest pops off his ribcage almost as much as Ronnie Coleman's...

Hence, narrow chest does not mean a thin chest. Lets get our terminology correct asbrus, lest me make ourselves look stupid.

i'm now in progress of learning english... and this post made me lol so hard as far as it was so good analitically structured and so great of a logic inference we have in it, that i have to (after mightly! repping Mr. Davis Forman) go with every single messege delivered in it! Bravo)

[DavisForman]

Oh, sorry, I didn't know there was a criteria for posting pics. This thread is humorous. There are obviously Heath lovers and Levrone lovers. I fall into both categories but give credit where credit is due.

That's not the point. The point is, every single amazing photo of Levrone in this thread has been a most muscular. Phil on the other hand has a number of amazing poses.


i'm now in progress of learning english... and this post made me lol so hard as far as it was so good analitically structured and so great of a logic inference we have in it, that i have to (after mightly! repping Mr. Davis Forman) go with every single messege delivered in it! Bravo)

Lmfao, thanks dude.

[JosephIV]

I brought it up in my post to illustrate that bodybuilding evolves, it moves forward. Not only the athletes get better and better, but judging criteria changes aswell. This is relevant since Levrone probably could hang with Heath size-wise, but in my opinion there is no comparing their conditioning (AC10 Heath, anyone?), which today seems more important than it was before. Look at Leo Ingram, he came to a smaller show absolutely massive and in good conditioning, but not THAT good, so he didn't even place in the top 3. Something he might have done five or six years ago vs. the exact same guys (due to changes in the judging).

Wow. You are in dreamland. Bodybuilding hasn't evolved and moved forward. At least not at the professional level. Evolving and moving forward would be drug testing, losing points for a bloated gut, bringing back an aesthetic build with a nice V taper like Steve Reeves instead of the chunky bricks that compete today. Professional bodybuilding moved from dedicated individuals touting healthy lifestyles to beefy freaks with massive bills for illegal pharmaceuticals who quite often end up in the hospital or morgue due to abusing said pharmaceuticals.

Sigh......negged. (figured you'd appreciate that since you're quick to neg someone who differs in views or opinions)

[the-craig]

The point is, every single amazing photo of Levrone in this thread has been a most muscular. Phil on the other hand has a number of amazing poses.

This was my exact point when I said I knew an earlier picture was going to be a most muscular. There is no doubt Levrone has one of the best most musculars I've seen, but there is more to it than that.

[trulyhuge1]

Levrone had one of the best side chest poses in history. Want a post of that one also? Like I said, most people in their teens or very early 20's will more than likely pick a newer guy on the scene. I'm not going to sit here and have a pissing match w/ people over the internet b/c, frankly, I have better things to do. Levrone is probably one the the top 5 best bodybuilders of all-time statistically. Heath might be there some day. Heath is actually my favorite these days but I can honestly say he is not better than Levrone was...yet.

[the-craig]

Levrone had one of the best side chest poses in history. Want a post of that one also?

Go for it, I said earlier in the thread Levrone had a better side chest anyway.

[BaGeL23]

That's not the point. The point is, every single amazing photo of Levrone in this thread has been a most muscular. Phil on the other hand has a number of amazing poses.


Ugh, I'll step in....

The argument that bodybuilding has evolved is stupid as can be, the 90s were by far the greatest era of bodybuilders to ever grace this planet. Bodybuilders have gotten smaller, not larger on average.

Levrone might not beat Heath on todays stage, as Heath does bring that super-crisp conditioning....but saying he wouldn't be competitive is just lulzworthy. As for his MM being his only pose....

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=24403&id=32356&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=54174&id=35371&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=36705&id=37697&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=36705&id=37566&Itemid=266
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=36705&id=37683&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=36705&id=37669&Itemid=202
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=36705&id=37630&Itemid=266
http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12851&id=36817&Itemid=266

Heath is more recent, obviously the fans on this site are biased towards him...I'm not surprised that most people seem to be on his "side", rather that some people seem to be trying to take something away from Levrone??? To see a '98 Levrone beside a 2010 Heath would be awesome, I think Phil would get outmassed a lot more than people appreciate.

[trulyhuge1]

That's not the point. The point is, every single amazing photo of Levrone in this thread has been a most muscular. Phil on the other hand has a number of amazing poses.



Lmfao, thanks dude.

If you think Levrone only looked good in one pose you need to seriously consider getting your eyes checked. Apples and oranges is always accepted BUT....a statement like that is just dumb.

[T3mpest]

Ugh, I'll step in....

The argument that bodybuilding has evolved is stupid as can be, the 90s were by far the greatest era of bodybuilders to ever grace this planet. Bodybuilders have gotten smaller, not larger on average.

Levrone might not beat Heath on todays stage, as Heath does bring that super-crisp conditioning....but saying he wouldn't be competitive is just lulzworthy. As for his MM being his only pose....


Heath is more recent, obviously the fans on this site are biased towards him...I'm not surprised that most people seem to be on his "side", rather that some people seem to be trying to take something away from Levrone??? To see a '98 Levrone beside a 2010 Heath would be awesome, I think Phil would get outmassed a lot more than people appreciate.


I see it the other way a point. The nineties have been glorfied so much that people don't appreciate what we have now. Phil is competed at the Arnold this year at 240 and is the same height as Kevin and has better muscle bellies overall at looking bigger than he is. He is also more complete overall. He was also in better condition than 99% of Levrones showing (it was also heaths best to be fair) I think Kev would be bigger in certain bodyparts, but overall they would be very close size wise. Speaking of the 90's Dorian beat everyone in the nineties and Jay when he dials in condition is superior to Dorian in almost every way.

[trulyhuge1]

I see it the other way a point. The nineties have been glorfied so much that people don't appreciate what we have now. Phil is competed at the Arnold this year at 240 and is the same height as Kevin and has better muscle bellies overall at looking bigger than he is. He is also more complete overall. He was also in better condition than 99% of Levrones showing (it was also heaths best to be fair) I think Kev would be bigger in certain bodyparts, but overall they would be very close size wise. Speaking of the 90's Dorian beat everyone in the nineties and Jay when he dials in condition is superior to Dorian in almost every way.

Do you believe Jay's conditioning is anywhere near what Yates' was???

[T3mpest]

Do you believe Jay's conditioning is anywhere near what Yates' was???

In his most recent showing or 01 it would be close enough to be comparable from the front, Yates would make him look a little soft from the back though. Overall though I think Jay can beat him from the waist down and keep up pretty well from the front. It'd be a close contest though, that'd be a hard one to judge.

[OtisBDriftwood]

Speaking of the 90's Dorian beat everyone in the nineties and Jay when he dials in condition is superior to Dorian in almost every way.

I agree with most of your post other than this part.. hmmm, no. Dorian would kill Cutler from the rear and hang with him from the front. Plus he would make Cutler look fat.

[Hyatt]

@BaGeL23

good post buddy!




and with that I'll leave this thread with this

O91uBzK5M2o


Levrone is a legend and is an uncrowned Mr Olympia.

[trulyhuge1]

@BaGeL23

good post buddy!




and with that I'll leave this thread with this

O91uBzK5M2o


Levrone is a legend and is an uncrowned Mr Olympia.

There we go!
He looked great there.

[DPNZ]

I like debating but when you disagree and call someone dumb just because he says that an athlete has prime years then you're just trying to get noticed and act smart. and dumb tit? Strong choice of vocabulary but judging by your avatar name and pic I'm not surprised. Now GTFO.

Haha. You're saying "gtfo" that's funny.

[T3mpest]

I agree with most of your post other than this part.. hmmm, no. Dorian would kill Cutler from the rear and hang with him from the front. Plus he would make Cutler look fat.

Lower half included? Dorians legs were good, but not Jay level good. Neither of them have great back detail, both are wide. From the back I'd give a edge to Dorian, but not killing him. Hammies on Dorian would hamper him some vs Jay. Front would be close, except for legs. Overall conditioning would be Dorian. So perhaps the best of Dorian might beat Jay, but it would still be a close battle so to say we have went that far backwards is a fallacy, IMO.

[Memorial93]

If I had to say it, I'd say Heath closely resembles Levrone except personally, I like Heath's back much more. I know it isn't Heath's fault but Kevin will always have him on width:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/levrone_0007.jpg

[Kulutuea]

and is the same height as Kevin

nope

[DPNZ]

I agree with most of your post other than this part.. hmmm, no. Dorian would kill Cutler from the rear and hang with him from the front. Plus he would make Cutler look fat.

Why do people say that? Put Jay at his best next to Dorian and I'm pretty confident that it would go to Jay. So much more proportionate and is carrying more mass.

[kenfowler]

I know that the images aren't all perfectly scaled, but this is a pretty good comparison. I chose to get screens from what I believed were Heath and Levrone's best showings.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630643&stc=1&d=1280953549

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630663&stc=1&d=1280953588

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630673&stc=1&d=1280953634

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630703&stc=1&d=1280953682

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630713&stc=1&d=1280953711

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630723&stc=1&d=1280953746

[kenfowler]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630743&stc=1&d=1280953909

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630753&stc=1&d=1280953942

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630763&stc=1&d=1280953974

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630773&stc=1&d=1280954006

[NeoSeminole]

Why do people say that? Put Jay at his best next to Dorian and I'm pretty confident that it would go to Jay. So much more proportionate and is carrying more mass.

Dorian would destroy Jay's best. Would be happy to explain why

[NeoSeminole]

Lower half included? Dorians legs were good, but not Jay level good. Neither of them have great back detail, both are wide. From the back I'd give a edge to Dorian, but not killing him. Hammies on Dorian would hamper him some vs Jay. Front would be close, except for legs. Overall conditioning would be Dorian. So perhaps the best of Dorian might beat Jay, but it would still be a close battle so to say we have went that far backwards is a fallacy, IMO.

???

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630813&stc=1&d=1280956624

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2630823&stc=1&d=1280956681

[flangmasterj]

Dorian would destroy Jay's best. Would be happy to explain why

I'd like to hear this.


???

I agree with the question marks. Dorian's back detail cruds all over Jay's.

[AnarkyLost]

Neither of them have great back detail, both are wide. From the back I'd give a edge t

WTF??????? Dorian didn't have great back detail? LMFAO.....

[NeoSeminole]

I'd like to hear this.

Dorian in 93 has Jay beat on size, conditioning, and balance. At the 93 Mr. Olympia, Dorian was 257 lbs with granite hardness. He also had near perfect proportions and balance. His arms and calves were nearly even, there were no lagging body parts, and his skeletal proportions were perfect (compare to Ronnie who has a short torso and long legs)

[flangmasterj]

He also had near perfect proportions and balance. His arms and calves were nearly even, there were no lagging body parts, and his skeletal proportions were perfect (compare to Ronnie who has a short torso and long legs)

I disagree man. Dorian's arms were always overpowered by his delts. His calves were nearly wider than his quads which were never very aesthetic. Jay's proportions are close to spot on. It's just his conditioning and symmetry issues that hindered him.

I really respect Dorian's work ethic but his physique is one of my most disliked of all Olympia winners.

[BaGeL23]

'93 Yates is pretty silly...Jay would have him on quads/hammys though, probably chest too.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39714&Itemid=202

[NeoSeminole]

I disagree man. Dorian's arms were always overpowered by his delts. His calves were nearly wider than his quads which were never very aesthetic. Jay's proportions are close to spot on. It's just his conditioning and symmetry issues that hindered him.

his delts and arms looked pretty balanced to me. Could you throw up pics? Jay's torso is a little long and his waist is even wider than Dorian's

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2631053&stc=1&d=1280964219

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2631013&stc=1&d=1280963756

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2631033&stc=1&d=1280964004

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2631023&stc=1&d=1280963849

[Duckenheimer]

'93 Yates is pretty silly...Jay would have him on quads/hammys though, probably chest too.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=3704&id=39714&Itemid=202

And bis and delts. But Yates separation is sharper and the back and calves, and tris, beat Jay.

[DavisForman]

Levrone is probably one the the top 5 best bodybuilders of all-time statistically.

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Arnold Schwarzenegger
3. Lee Haney
4. Dorian Yates
5. Jay Cutler

Where is Levrone?


If you think Levrone only looked good in one pose you need to seriously consider getting your eyes checked.

Well, good thing "Only one good pose has been posted in this thread" and "Kevin only has one good pose" don't mean the same thing, eh?



And LOL at anyone saying Dorian would beat 09 Jay. What Jay Cutler brought to the stage last year at the Olympia was the greatest overall physique, second only to Ronnie Coleman.

[NeoSeminole]

And LOL at anyone saying Dorian would beat 09 Jay. What Jay Cutler brought to the stage last year at the Olympia was the greatest overall physique, second only to Ronnie Coleman.

hard to tell if you're trolling when you make obviously wrong statements like that

[flangmasterj]

his delts and arms looked pretty balanced to me. Could you throw up pics? Jay's torso is a little long and his waist is even wider than Dorian's

This is what I mean when I say his delts overpower his arms.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/154bqdw.jpg

[NeoSeminole]

This is what I mean when I say his delts overpower his arms.

in the Dorian pic, his arms are the same diameter as his delts. How do his delts overpower his arms???

[flangmasterj]

in the Dorian pic, his arms are the same diameter as his delts. How do his delts overpower his arms???

It's not the height but the width. See how Ronnie's are horizontally and vertically similar to his delts?

Same with all the great rear double bi's. Check out Arnie's, Flex's, Phil's even Jay's (not so great but you get the idea).

[NeoSeminole]

It's not the height but the width. See how Ronnie's are horizontally and vertically similar to his delts?

that's what I just said, lol. The distance from top to bottom is the same for his arms and delts. As for the length of his bones, it's just an optical illusion b/c he's bending his arms more than Ronnie

[flangmasterj]

that's what I just said, lol. The distance from top to bottom is the same for his arms and delts

No not just top to bottom but left to right.

For example these delts and arms are well balanced.



For example:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/Arnold-Back.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/heath4.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/860rb2956.jpg

[NeoSeminole]

honestly, the only difference I see from left to right is Dorian bending his arms more

[flangmasterj]

He had to bend his arms more or else he would of had large gaps between his forearms and biceps. You don't think his delts slightly overshadow his arms?

This is probably the best example of balance between the delts and arms. Robby Robinson.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/4/54614-RobbyRobinson.jpg

[DavyGrolton]

He had to bend his arms more or else he would of had large gaps between his forearms and biceps. You don't think his delts slightly overshadow his arms?

This is probably the best example of balance between the delts and arms. Robby Robinson.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/4/54614-RobbyRobinson.jpg

honestly I think his delts look to be a weak point

I agree with Neo; Dorian's arms were far from a strong point but they weren't badly overshadowed by his delts

shows you how subjective this can be

[flangmasterj]

honestly I think his delts look to be a weak point

I agree with Neo; Dorian's arms were far from a strong point but they weren't badly overshadowed by his delts

shows you how subjective this can be

Exactly it is subjective. Well done Grolts.

His arms aren't badly overshadowed by his delts but they are slightly.

[FullROM]

He had to bend his arms more or else he would of had large gaps between his forearms and biceps. You don't think his delts slightly overshadow his arms?

This is probably the best example of balance between the delts and arms. Robby Robinson.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/4/54614-RobbyRobinson.jpg

Arms over power delts here. There is no right or wrong, everyone is different. Nothing wrong with yates Arm V Delt size. Kindly note, yates has won the Olympia.

[flangmasterj]

Arms over power delts here. There is no right or wrong, everyone is different. Nothing wrong with yates Arm V Delt size. Kindly note, yates has won the Olympia.

So has Robby.

[OtisBDriftwood]

I really respect Dorian's work ethic but his physique is one of my most disliked of all Olympia winners.

Lol and you think Cutler's isn't?? Probably even more disliked than Dorian's.
Jay's proportions are good indeed if you disregard that 10 foot wide waist.

[flangmasterj]

Lol and you think Cutler's isn't?? Probably even more disliked than Dorian's.
Jay's proportions are good indeed if you disregard that 10 foot wide waist.

"My most disliked".

[trulyhuge1]

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Arnold Schwarzenegger
3. Lee Haney
4. Dorian Yates
5. Jay Cutler

Where is Levrone?



Well, good thing "Only one good pose has been posted in this thread" and "Kevin only has one good pose" don't mean the same thing, eh?



And LOL at anyone saying Dorian would beat 09 Jay. What Jay Cutler brought to the stage last year at the Olympia was the greatest overall physique, second only to Ronnie Coleman.

I give up bud, you win.

[klow2008]

In conclusion. The majority of us agree that yes heaths conditioning is crisper specially from behind however kevin displayed that healthy classic small waisted physique with a great v taper (with no gut) u dont see today.

[asbrus]

In conclusion. The majority of us agree that yes heaths conditioning is crisper specially from behind however kevin displayed that healthy classic small waisted physique with a great v taper (with no gut) u dont see today.

Kevin in 1992 displayed the same level of conditioning that heath has with more mass.

[spamy]

I see it the other way a point. The nineties have been glorfied so much that people don't appreciate what we have now. Phil is competed at the Arnold this year at 240 and is the same height as Kevin and has better muscle bellies overall at looking bigger than he is. He is also more complete overall. He was also in better condition than 99% of Levrones showing (it was also heaths best to be fair) I think Kev would be bigger in certain bodyparts, but overall they would be very close size wise. Speaking of the 90's Dorian beat everyone in the nineties and Jay when he dials in condition is superior to Dorian in almost every way.

The 90's really had the most genetically gifted bodies in the history. Here is the top 6 from 1999, put them and the other top pros from that decade in today's contests and the placings would change pretty much.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=44021&id=45222&Itemid=202

[OtisBDriftwood]

Why do people say that? Put Jay at his best next to Dorian and I'm pretty confident that it would go to Jay. So much more proportionate and is carrying more mass.

Dorian in 1996 was 265lbs on stage with much better conditioning that Jay will ever display and at the same height.
Jay was 255lbs last Mr.O by his own words (sure he seemed much bigger)


Lower half included? Dorians legs were good, but not Jay level good. Neither of them have great back detail, both are wide. From the back I'd give a edge to Dorian, but not killing him. Hammies on Dorian would hamper him some vs Jay. Front would be close, except for legs. Overall conditioning would be Dorian. So perhaps the best of Dorian might beat Jay, but it would still be a close battle so to say we have went that far backwards is a fallacy, IMO.

LOL.. I present you.

JK5Bm1TAcCw

The ownage would be pretty bad.
Ronnie and Dorian were in a much different league than all the other Mr.Olympia winners so far.

[Hyatt]

Dorian in 1996 was 265lbs on stage with much better conditioning that Jay will ever display and at the same height.
Jay was 255lbs last Mr.O by his own words (sure he seemed much bigger)



LOL.. I present you.

JK5Bm1TAcCw

The ownage would be pretty bad.
Ronnie and Dorian were in a much different league than all the other Mr.Olympia winners so far.


Dorian looks great there and his back is just amazing.
The christmas tree/lower back Dorian has is just insane...

[boyoboyo]

Well, good thing "Only one good pose has been posted in this thread" and "Kevin only has one good pose" don't mean the same thing, eh?

ERR look at the previous page, various poses including abs & thigh, side tri, side chest and front lat spread have been shown with kevin looking incredible.




And LOL at anyone saying Dorian would beat 09 Jay. What Jay Cutler brought to the stage last year at the Olympia was the greatest overall physique, second only to Ronnie Coleman.

fairenough thinking 09 jay would beat dorian.
but a lot of other people would disagree including myself. so no its not a landslide like you make it out to be. kinda like how heaths arms sh!t all over levrones eh? LMAO


hard to tell if you're trolling when you make obviously wrong statements like that

THIS THIS THIS ^^


So has Robby.

No he hasnt lol, you being serious brah?

[Loctus]

The 90's really had the most genetically gifted bodies in the history. Here is the top 6 from 1999, put them and the other top pros from that decade in today's contests and the placings would change pretty much.

http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=44021&id=45222&Itemid=202

Today>90's

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_47I3376_DQKGIHUAPP.jpg

[spamy]

Today>90's

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_47I3376_DQKGIHUAPP.jpg

So, you see Branch beating Ronnie, Cormier and the others from top 6 of the 90's even if they're out of shape nad taking 2nd place? Interesting.

[Duckenheimer]

So, you see Branch beating Ronnie, Cormier and the others from top 6 of the 90's even if they're out of shape nad taking 2nd place? Interesting.

I doubt that's what he sees.

[DylanDetrick]

Kevin in 1992 displayed the same level of conditioning that heath has with more mass.

more mass?

[Loctus]

So, you see Branch beating Ronnie

I'm not sure I understand what you just wrote there. I think it's a oxymoron? What do you mean "beating Ronnie"? I dun get it.

[spamy]

I'm not sure I understand what you just wrote there. I think it's a oxymoron? What do you mean "beating Ronnie"? I dun get it.

Bro, you said that top 6 of 2009 beats top 6 of the 90's. Logically it means that the 1st from 2009, Jay, beats all of them. Ok. Then the 2nd from 2009, Branch, beats all the others from the 90's or not?

[Duckenheimer]

Bro, you said that top 6 of 2009 beats top 6 of the 90's. Logically it means that the 1st from 2009, Jay, beats all of them. Ok. Then the 2nd from 2009, Branch, beats all the others from the 90's or not?

He means the general lineup, the overall standard of the top 6, has improved, he never said that all of the top 6 of 2009 beats all of top 6 of the 90s and obviously isn't saying anyone beats Ronnie.

[spamy]

He means the general lineup, the overall standard of the top 6, has improved, he never said that all of the top 6 of 2009 beats all of top 6 of the 90s and obviously isn't saying anyone beats Ronnie.

True, but it should be an order for them there. Funny thing is that Jay is basically a 90's bber too. He just spended his late 20's and early 30's trying to beat Ronnie. Dex is an old boy too:)

[Duckenheimer]

True, but it should be an order for them there.

http://www.sneeko.net/images/macros2/cats/cat-wut.jpg

[spamy]

http://www.sneeko.net/images/macros2/cats/cat-wut.jpg

The order of super genetically gifted men:)

[Duckenheimer]

The order of super genetically gifted men:)

http://unadorned.org/pebble/huh.jpg

[asbrus]

Bro, you said that top 6 of 2009 beats top 6 of the 90's. Logically it means that the 1st from 2009, Jay, beats all of them. Ok. Then the 2nd from 2009, Branch, beats all the others from the 90's or not?

Funny how when you point out the logic in the statement that todays pros beat the pros of the 90's and then you start breaking it down one by one and the noobs start defending themselves by saying what I never said that?

[asbrus]

I'm not sure I understand what you just wrote there. I think it's a oxymoron? What do you mean "beating Ronnie"? I dun get it.

You said the the pros of today would beat the 90's so if Branch warren got 2nd place that means he would beat every pro in the lineup in the past except for Ronnie and Dorian. This is what it means.

[asbrus]

He means the general lineup, the overall standard of the top 6, has improved, he never said that all of the top 6 of 2009 beats all of top 6 of the 90s and obviously isn't saying anyone beats Ronnie.

The general lineup? Branch warren is the number 2 guy today. He said the top 6 today beats the top 6 of yesterday.

[Duckenheimer]

The general lineup? Branch warren is the number 2 guy today. He said the top 6 today beats the top 6 of yesterday.

Yeah, as in the overall quality of the top 6.

What he said was today > 90s, which refers to the overall state of things. Its obvious he's not just talking about the top 1 or two guys - he says himself Ronnie isn't touched by anyone.

[asbrus]

I'm not sure I understand what you just wrote there. I think it's a oxymoron? What do you mean "beating Ronnie"? I dun get it.

Then break it down. Branch got 2nd at the 0 and you said the pros today beat the pros in the past.

now:jay,branch,kai,phil,dexter,kevin

then: Ronnie beats everyone there. Flex beats everyone there except for maybe jay.Chris Cormier same thing. Branch woudn't even make the top 6 then since everyone was on point in their conditioning. The rest is pretty obvious. The pic you posted clearly shows todays pros outmatched by symmetry,size, and conditioning.

[asbrus]

Yeah, as in the overall quality of the top 6.

What he said was today > 90s, which refers to the overall state of things. Its obvious he's not just talking about the top 1 or two guys - he says himself Ronnie isn't touched by anyone.

So where does the number 2 guy stand then?

[spamy]

http://unadorned.org/pebble/huh.jpg
http://www.library.drexel.edu/blogs/thesuggestionbox/Out%20of%20Order.jpg

Funny how when you point out the logic in the statement that todays pros beat the pros of the 90's and then you start breaking it down one by one and the noobs start defending themselves by saying what I never said that?
Logic gives me sometimes headaches too:(

[Duckenheimer]

So where does the number 2 guy stand?

Dunno.

[asbrus]

Dunno.

If even the number 2 guy today dosen't beat the top 5 of yesterday or we are in doubt of that even though he made the statement of today's top 6 with the pics posted is better than the 1990's than that statement makes no sense.

[BaGeL23]

The entire point of that discussion is that if the 90s bbers were to compete today, the Olympia placings would change drastically...it could end up being something like

1. Jay Cutler
2. Kai Greene
3. Flex Wheeler
4. Chris Cormier
5. Phil Heath
6. Nasser El-Sonbaty

(that would only happen if Phils mysterious last-minute illness came back again though)

[asbrus]

The entire point of that discussion is that if the 90s bbers were to compete today, the Olympia placings would change drastically...it could end up being something like

1. Jay Cutler
2. Kai Greene
3. Flex Wheeler
4. Chris Cormier
5. Phil Heath
6. Nasser El-Sonbaty

(that would only happen if Phils mysterious last-minute illness came back again though)

Where is Ronnie?

[boyoboyo]

Where is Ronnie?

im hoping he choose to leave him out because everyone knows he's a dead cert for top spot.

[BaGeL23]

Yeah mentioning Ronnie isn't fair to the competition, ever

[Duckenheimer]

If even the number 2 guy today dosen't beat the top 5 of yesterday or we are in doubt of that even though he made the statement of today's top 6 with the pics posted is better than the 1990's than that statement makes no sense.

It makes sense if he thinks 3-6 are better. Ask him yourself.