D4000's Bulk in 2010

[determined4000]

Sweep

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/1/9/d/8/1194985056161973028broom_nicu_buculei_01.svg.med.p ng

[ian0789]

Also was curious out of all you oat lovers, what brand and type (steel cut, rolled, instant) you use/prefer?

I use Stop and Shop Brand Old Fashioned Oats

Cheap, taste great! and I can get in a big 2 pound container for like $2.99

[determined4000]

8 October

My chest was still feeling a little sore so I decided to do an arm day with just tris and bis. Still did some CGBP to work the chest a little. Maintained better form with the heavier curling weight.

Eats:

MGN chocolate PB Pancakes

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1261.jpg?t=1286729262

Peanut Butter CHeesy proats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1243.jpg?t=1286729308

Homemade veggie pizza

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Fridaynightpizzaandbeer014.jpg?t=1286729357

bbq seasoned chicken
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1201.jpg?t=1286729401

candied walnuts

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1032.jpg?t=1286729449

Crimson Tide fall! Yankees win!
Cowboys at 4:00!

[narcorunner]

Also was curious out of all you oat lovers, what brand and type (steel cut, rolled, instant) you use/prefer?

Steel cut oats taste really good. Much heartier and flavorful. Definitely worth the extra time.
Great log here, very inspiring.

[spartan09]

Mm that chicken caesar salad looks amazingly yummy...might make one now!

[bejetah]

personally i prefer rolled oats :) I like the chewy/smooth texture . Steel cut indeed have a greater taste and the consistency is more dense, and harder

[watermelon_2001]

We don't seem to be able to get steel-cut oats over here. These 'uns are my favourite...

http://www.whitesoats.co.uk/images/products/speedythumb.jpg

D, your pizza looks great!!

[determined4000]

DALLAS SUCKS! Amassed 511 total yards offense but committed 12 penalties for 133 yards and committed 3 turnovers.
Well, at least the Yankees are doing their part to keep me entertained.

btw, thanks to everyone for the oat question feedback.

[AlwaysTryin]

I really like the look of that veggie pizza.

Was it a mini one? What did you use etc (macros?)

[The Big Sleep]

Fxck the Yankees!! :D

[AlwaysTryin]

I went out and bought frozen spinach at lunch cause of you now! lol

See your eats inspire me lol

I bought frozen spinach cause of you

today I had a salad with chicken and ranch dressing! First time I had EVER had ranch dressing.

OMG where has it been my whole life lol!!

[hrdgain3r89]

ITT: Elmo makes guest appearances hahahahah bet im the only one who noticed only cause my daughter loves him, could spot him a mile away lol. Veggie pizza looked great, and i was thinking about ordering some MGN but then i realized XF got cinnamon roll off backorder finally....just had to spend the extra buck i cant take it anymore lol....

inb4proatwar? lol jk...

[determined4000]

October 9-10
Worked the chest and shoulders on Saturday. Tried to stick to a lot of heavy compounds. Chest I ditched the bench for 3 different levels of incline. For shoulders I hit up some shrugs and upright rows. Low volume day but still felt fairly beat.
Sunday was a rest day. Suffered through a horrible Cowboy disaster and studying for an actuarial math exam. Today will be bis/tris and more books. Ugh.

Eats:

Chicken and spinach with salsa

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture754.jpg?t=1286816858

Bought some frozen berries and made this. Left side of the bowl I blended it and froze with some MGN Chocolate Caramel, and the other side was blended with 3 tbsp of Peanut butter. Came out all right. Alternative to my cottage cheese bowls for a change.

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture748.jpg?t=1286816858

Eggs (capturing the cheeziness)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meats/omeletmontereyjack.jpg?t=1286816914

I tried out the animals suggestion of adding some ground coffee to my oats. Didn't notice the grainy texture. Used hazelnut coffee, tossed in some a serving of oats, serving of carbquik, scoop of MGN, an egg and some strawberry drink mix (yeah lots of different flavors going on) and baked in the microwave. Tasted delicious even if it looks funny (And no I don't care how it looks). I needed some calories to finish off the day and just kept tossing stuff in.

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture759.jpg?t=1286816858

[robkwan]

Large caesar salad

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/MarkusSleeping093.jpg?t=1286570718


sorry havent posted here for a while. nice food, just looking through here for inspiration as ur a great cook and very innovative. i loled when i saw ur emo key ring!

[PBateman2]

Like the sub of the 3 different incline movements for the bench.

[determined4000]

sorry havent posted here for a while. nice food, just looking through here for inspiration as ur a great cook and very innovative.

thanks. Cooking isnt hard and doesnt have to be pretty. Just find stuff you like.


Like the sub of the 3 different incline movements for the bench.

I think sometimes going to the incline might help me break through a plateau. Been stuck at the same weight so I decided to change things up and then after a few workouts will try to hit it up again.



And how do I change the thing that says "registered user" under my username?

[PBateman2]

And how do I change the thing that says "registered user" under my username?

Go to User CP>Edit Your Details (Under Profile)>Custom User Title

[determined4000]

Go to User CP>Edit Your Details (Under Profile)>Custom User Title

thank you

will change once I figure out what to put (lol)

like the avi

[watermelon_2001]

will change once I figure out what to put (lol)


I'm always trying to think of something clever to put, but usually just end up going with random stuff...

<<<

[AlwaysTryin]

I'm always trying to think of something clever to put, but usually just end up going with random stuff...

<<<

It says registered user under you still lol

[JValjean724]

thank you

will change once I figure out what to put (lol)

like the avi

Registered user has such a nice ring to it though......

[Tommy510]

Hey D when you make your CC you use ON casein right?

[determined4000]

Hey D when you make your CC you use ON casein right?

I always use casein when possible because it is much better for the thickness.
However, I switched from ON to MGN because the price and Macros were better and taste is just as good.

[ian0789]

I always use casein when possible because it is much better for the thickness.
However, I switched from ON to MGN because the price and Macros were better and taste is just as good.

I was going to ask your 2cents on Casein since I know you use it alot.

I'm just about to finish off my ON Choc Casein and I really don't think I can do a 2nd round of 4lbs.

As for MGN, didn't they have a ton of bad batches going out? Have you order since from them and as well any solid flavors to try out?

[determined4000]

I was going to ask your 2cents on Casein since I know you use it alot.

I'm just about to finish off my ON Choc Casein and I really don't think I can do a 2nd round of 4lbs.

As for MGN, didn't they have a ton of bad batches going out? Have you order since from them and as well any solid flavors to try out?

I got some a few weeks ago and the stuff is as good as ever.
Had never tried thier PB or chocolate peanut butter and it is AWESOME! Most brands dont have legit peanut butter flavor but this stuff was legit (remember the cookies?)

[Tommy510]

I always use casein when possible because it is much better for the thickness.
However, I switched from ON to MGN because the price and Macros were better and taste is just as good.

ic ic. i just started using casein and i've found that it mixes into CC nothing like whey. It seems to just soak up everything instead of turning into the consistency that yours looks like or how using whey is. Do you add like milk or any liquid to your CC + Casein? I'm just adding casein straight to CC and its very clumpy. any ideas? thanks bro

edit: MGN changed the name of their whey/casein to "huge impact" now?

[determined4000]

ic ic. i just started using casein and i've found that it mixes into CC nothing like whey. It seems to just soak up everything instead of turning into the consistency that yours looks like or how using whey is. Do you add like milk or any liquid to your CC + Casein? I'm just adding casein straight to CC and its very clumpy. any ideas? thanks bro

edit: MGN changed the name of their whey/casein to "huge impact" now?

It depends on what else you are adding
If you are just doing something like 1c CC with a scoop f casien, you probably need to add 1/2c milk. If you are adding other things in (fruit, peanut butter, syrups, etc) then just add so you get the consistency you want.

[watermelon_2001]

It says registered user under you still lol

Dammit! Well, it now reads what I had meant for it to say when posting that message. I fear the moment has passed however...

[determined4000]

October 11-12:

Worked out the bis and tris on the 11th and, to be honest, wasn't feeling the greatest. Felt a little weak. Decided to eat more because I had been low on calories the last couple of days. Came back on the 12th and hit up the legs. PR'd in squats and leg press.
Food = strength. Need to keep reminding myself of that.

Eats:

Lean ground was on sale so I made some meatballs

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meats/steak/hotballs.jpg?t=1286988337

Cottage cheese, blueberries, PB

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/BBeryCC.jpg?t=1286988475

Finished off my MGN Peanut butter (sad panda--> first to ID the allusion gets reps)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/3611222431_5a0556a72f-1.jpg?t=1286988556

REVIEW TIME:

As promised, now that I finished off the MGN Peanut Butter I am going to give a review.

Taste: 9.5/10- It is near impossible to find any pure peanut butter flavored whey. They are pretty much all chocolate peanut butters. I have tried Myofusion, musclemilk and bodyfortress. Myofusion probably comes in 2nd at around an 8 and the others lag far behind.

Usability: 9/10- I used it in oats,cereal, baking, pancakes and ice cream. It mixes great for oats making batters, no clumpage (if that’s a word) whatsoever. Nice smooth batter. The cookies were beyond good. It also seems to mix a little thicker than other wheys so you can use it for cottage cheese ice cream. Still not the thickness of casein, but as far as wheys, it is the best option.

Macros: 9.5/10- Can’t beat 110 calories and 25grams protein. Myofusion is 157 and 23, Musclemilk 150/16, bodyfortress 135 and 26, ON 120 and 24.

Value: 10/10-5lbs at 34.00 comes to 55.88 grams of protein per $. Myofusion is about 37, Isoflex is about 30, Musclemilk20.5, ON 39.8, bodyfortress 39.8. So for every dollar spent on MGN you would need to spend 1.51 on myo, 1.40 on ON or bodyfortress, 2.72 on musclemilk, and 1.86 on Isoflex.

Overall: 9.5/10

[ErikTheElectric]

Eats look great D!

Thinking about ordering up some MGN PB today!

[JValjean724]

October 11-12:

Worked out the bis and tris on the 11th and, to be honest, wasn't feeling the greatest. Felt a little weak. Decided to eat more because I had been low on calories the last couple of days. Came back on the 12th and hit up the legs. PR'd in squats and leg press.
Food = strength. Need to keep reminding myself of that.

Eats:

Lean ground was on sale so I made some meatballs

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Cottage cheese, blueberries, PB

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Finished off my MGN Peanut butter (sad panda--> first to ID the allusion gets reps)

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REVIEW TIME:

As promised, now that I finished off the MGN Peanut Butter I am going to give a review.

Taste: 9.5/10- It is near impossible to find any pure peanut butter flavored whey. They are pretty much all chocolate peanut butters. I have tried Myofusion, musclemilk and bodyfortress. Myofusion probably comes in 2nd at around an 8 and the others lag far behind.

Usability: 9/10- I used it in oats,cereal, baking, pancakes and ice cream. It mixes great for oats making batters, no clumpage (if that’s a word) whatsoever. Nice smooth batter. The cookies were beyond good. It also seems to mix a little thicker than other wheys so you can use it for cottage cheese ice cream. Still not the thickness of casein, but as far as wheys, it is the best option.

Macros: 9.5/10- Can’t beat 110 calories and 25grams protein. Myofusion is 157 and 23, Musclemilk 150/16, bodyfortress 135 and 26, ON 120 and 24.

Value: 10/10-5lbs at 34.00 comes to 55.88 grams of protein per $. Myofusion is about 37, Isoflex is about 30, Musclemilk20.5, ON 39.8, bodyfortress 39.8. So for every dollar spent on MGN you would need to spend 1.51 on myo, 1.40 on ON or bodyfortress, 2.72 on musclemilk, and 1.86 on Isoflex.

Overall: 9.5/10

South park: Sexual Harrassment Panda

BAM

Nice food and review...I'll have to try MGN next time I'm low on powder. Oh and you just made me want some meatballs

[determined4000]

South park: Sexual Harrassment Panda

BAM

Nice food and review...I'll have to try MGN next time I'm low on powder. Oh and you just made me want some meatballs

DING, DING, DING
reps as promised

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXleDaF0_tn_bAyGaaBXldDb_0_ZpQW APxAtTuzOM0llrYUGw&t=1&usg=___1zZQ3zBY5po_s3UuJxSufXSqtw=

Thinking of including these trivia questions to keep everyone on their toes. :)

[Saintly]

The new Myofusion formula with the hydrolysate is 147/25. Your point still stands though.

[JValjean724]

DING, DING, DING
reps as promised

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXleDaF0_tn_bAyGaaBXldDb_0_ZpQW APxAtTuzOM0llrYUGw&t=1&usg=___1zZQ3zBY5po_

Thinking of including these trivia questions to keep everyone on their toes. :)

Haha I knew that immediately....I've seen a lot of South Park in my day

[Scooter4]

Do want meatballs.

[trance__dreamer]

when i was living w/ my grandma up until april, she made me meatballs EXACTLY like that 1-2x/week. it was fantastic. :D

[determined4000]

when i was living w/ my grandma up until april, she made me meatballs EXACTLY like that 1-2x/week. it was fantastic. :D
Italian???

[trance__dreamer]

Italian???

mmhmm. :D 100%. yours look EXACTLY like my nonna's. i can't believe it. basil inside, si? :D

[determined4000]

mmhmm. :D 100%. yours look EXACTLY like my nonna's. i can't believe it. basil inside, si? :D
Si
basil, oregano, parsley, onion and...GARLIC

[bejetah]

meatballs are lookin' absolutely amazing. Oh here come good old memories :D (and some specific cravings with them, haha)

I am also craving my grandmas stews more and more often lol :)

[determined4000]

meatballs are lookin' absolutely amazing. Oh here come good old memories :D (and some specific cravings with them, haha)

I am also craving my grandmas stews more and more often lol :)

I hate stew LOL

[hrdgain3r89]

I hate stew LOL

Ditto. I think its cuz i hate the taste of broth. Now soup on the other hand...

Eats look great as always...keep bangin out those PR's!!!

[determined4000]

Ditto. I think its cuz i hate the taste of broth. Now soup on the other hand...

Eats look great as always...keep bangin out those PR's!!!

Most stews generally have cheap, tough beef, plain potatoes and other veggies I am not crazy about (carrots, cooked celery, corn). More of a chili/ chicken soup guy for those cold winter days.

[bejetah]

our culture knows different stews :) They're based on saurkraut, beans and sausage , no potatoes, no corn :) just saurkraut and some greens (perhaps a carrot but not more then one , just for a little taste)

Here we go
http://kandela.blog.siol.net/files/2009/07/jota.jpg

[determined4000]

October 13-14

Hit up the shoulders and chest on Wednesday and Legs on Thursday. For chest I continued to work the inclines, did sme weighted dips as well. Shoulers I tried to stay heavy with some shrugs military presses, overhead, etc. Legs I got in some squats and leg presses before going over to deadlift. Was planning on going for a PR but unfortunately I cut my hand on Wednesday and couldn't grip properly. Ended up having to do less weight at more reps. Will go for the PR next time around.

Eats:
Fogged up strawberry Proats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture761.jpg?t=1287171021

Italian Seasoned Chicken and Spinach

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture755.jpg?t=1287171021

Salad with seeds. Which begs the question: Why is it many seeds (flax, sunflower, seeds in cucumber, etc) are consumed regularly, but we act like we will die if we eat the seeds in watermelon and have genetically modified them to be grown without them?

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/salad-grilled-chicken-5-4-10-1.jpg?t=1287171065

Cottage cheese Ice Cream dusted with MGN Cake Batter (mmmm)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1267.jpg?t=1287171106

PB sandwich

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/picture-6.jpg?t=1287171341

Pancakes

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/MEN220.jpg?t=1287171397

"You're 5 foot nothin', 100 and nothin', and you have barely a speck of athletic ability... In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen. Now go on back. "
From???

[Jorge0886]

october 13-14

"you're 5 foot nothin', 100 and nothin', and you have barely a speck of athletic ability... In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen. Now go on back. "
from???

rudy, rudy, rudy, rudy...

[Saintly]

"rudy"

Edit: Damn, he beat me lol

[determined4000]

rudy, rudy, rudy, rudy...

reps for the man with the quick trigger (and fine movie taste)


"rudy"

Edit: Damn, he beat me lol

yes he did

One of my favorite movies for obvious reasons.

[themoose333]

Are those pickles in your PB sandwich??? I see something distinctly green.

If so that's a very interesting idea, not sure if I'd chance it though haha

[determined4000]

Are those pickles in your PB sandwich??? I see something distinctly green.

If so that's a very interesting idea, not sure if I'd chance it though haha

Been asked before
No its lettuce
Its what my mom made me as a kid because I couldnt eat jelly ( she got the idea for celery with PB).
But I do love pickels

[themoose333]

Been asked before
No its lettuce
Its what my mom made me as a kid because I couldnt eat jelly ( she got the idea for celery with PB).
But I do love pickels

Ah I see, figured it was either that or pickles. Keep up the good work man I'm lovin the food pics

[JValjean724]

And the pancakes make their glorious return! lol

[foodpr0n]

in for tha journey

[PBateman2]

To watch or not watch today...LOL...that is the question. Three hours of penalties...here we go!

[Scooter4]

To watch or not watch today...LOL...that is the question. Three hours of penalties...here we go!

Wouldn't matter whether or not you watched. :p

[determined4000]

To watch or not watch today...LOL...that is the question. Three hours of penalties...here we go!
ugh, yes, I watched. At least it allowed me to release pent up anger

Wouldn't matter whether or not you watched. :p
I hope your happy

CATCHING UP!!
October14-17
I Did a lower on Thursday, chest/tri Friday and back/bi Saturday with an off-day Sunday. Haven't posted because I have FOUR exams this week. Intensity in the gym hasn't been as good I think due t stress and a slight cold. Still not feeling great but I think yesterday's rest day was good for me. I visited my parents (Redzone and 60" HD TV :)) for the games yesterday and had a nice steak dinner (no pics) and my mom gave me a car load of food to take back home :cool:.

Here is some of the Eats from this week:

Pumpkin bread with canned pumpkin and MGN cinnamon bun

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/11208PumpkinSpiceBread2.jpg?t=1287419875

ham and turkey wrap

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture1141.jpg?t=1287419994

Homemade granola bar

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/2009_HomemadeGranolaFruitBar.jpg?t=1287420382

Chicken breasts and Mex-Mash

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/MEN175.jpg?t=1287420139

Who said it?
"You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore."

[JValjean724]

I Did a lower on Thursday, chest/tri Friday and back/bi Saturday with an off-day Sunday. Haven't posted because I have FOUR exams this week. Intensity in the gym hasn't been as good I think due t stress and a slight cold.
"

I hear ya...I have three tests and a paper due next week. It sometimes seems like professors conspire together to screw us over :rolleyes:

[maneck35]

Who said it?
"You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore."

Google rocks. Christopher Columbus. :P

Nice eats though. I wonder how Pumpkin tastes. Don't get the canned version here.

[staged]

Who said it?
"You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore."

Columbus?

*edit* Too Slow :(

[determined4000]

Google rocks. Christopher Columbus. :P

Nice eats though. I wonder how Pumpkin tastes. Don't get the canned version here.

ding ding ding
Reps for the quick trigger (wow sorry it says I deducted from you wtF)

Everyone please rep him
will get you somewhere else with some greens

Tastes good even straight out of the can with some cinnamon and splenda
Or mix it with the MGN cinnamon bun whey for protein pumpkin (mmmmmmm)

[maneck35]

LOL at first i was like wtf...y did he neg me?!?!

Its cool..no biggie..theyre jus internet greens lol..as long as I know it was a mistake.

[determined4000]

LOL at first i was like wtf...y did he neg me?!?!

Its cool..no biggie..theyre jus internet greens lol..as long as I know it was a mistake.

i am really sorry
I cant hit you with any right now but remind me if I dont hit you back soon.
Hopefully some of the other log followers will more than compensate.

[maneck35]

i am really sorry
I cant hit you with any right now but remind me if I dont hit you back soon.
Hopefully some of the other log followers will more than compensate.

As I said, its really no issue.

On another note, hows the diet and training going? Are u logging calories? Any progress pics? Would love to see your progress.

[ian0789]

Damn D, My Cooking with Whey never comes out as good as your stuff looks!

I passed some rep his way for you =P

[Saintly]

Damn dude, your pumpkin bread makes mine look like total crap! How did you get yours to come out so dense and moist?

And that granola bar... damn dude.

[determined4000]

I am trying to clear some inventory and know if anyone is interested in some bars and PreWO samples. I have the following I would sell you at half price if you pick up shipping.

Bars:
25pureprotein bars
7premeir bars
Sample Sizes of:
2- Promax bars (Rocky Road and German Chocolate Cake)
6- Storm bars (Chocolate Thundaer
1- Chocolite protein bar
1- Tri-o-plex German Chocolate bar

1 wild berry size on
1 grape superpump
2 fruit punch Superpump
1 Monster pump
2 New Whey Liquid Proteins (42g)
2 Jet fuel Caps
2 universal Shock therapy
1 Ephedra Caps
2 SportPharma caps
2 Universal BCAA Stack
2 Fyre Caps
1 Muscle Juice
2 Amphetalean Extreme caps
3 Medi Tropin Sachets
5 Amp Caps
2 Adipoxil Caps




Damn D, My Cooking with Whey never comes out as good as your stuff looks!

I passed some rep his way for you =P

Damn dude, your pumpkin bread makes mine look like total crap! How did you get yours to come out so dense and moist?

And that granola bar... damn dude.

More egg, ww baking mix instead of flour, a whey that works with baking (MGN)

[kryptiq]

I am trying to clear some inventory and know if anyone is interested in some bars and PreWO samples. I have the following I would sell you at half price if you pick up shipping.

Bars:
25pureprotein bars
7premeir bars
Sample Sizes of:
2- Promax bars (Rocky Road and German Chocolate Cake)
6- Storm bars (Chocolate Thundaer
1- Chocolite protein bar
1- Tri-o-plex German Chocolate bar

1 wild berry size on
1 grape superpump
2 fruit punch Superpump
1 Monster pump
2 New Whey Liquid Proteins (42g)
2 Jet fuel Caps
2 universal Shock therapy
1 Ephedra Caps
2 SportPharma caps
2 Universal BCAA Stack
2 Fyre Caps
1 Muscle Juice
2 Amphetalean Extreme caps
3 Medi Tropin Sachets
5 Amp Caps
2 Adipoxil Caps






More egg, ww baking mix instead of flour, a whey that works with baking (MGN)

PM me about the 2xUniversal BCAA Stack/1 wild berry size on very interested, as for the SportPharma caps which ones exactly? Thanks for your time man. =)

Keep up the good eats!

[hrdgain3r89]

Jealous of your meat (no homo)
i finally started getting mine from the ACTUAL deli and it still looks like packaged crap not sure why...still has a greasy, slimy essence to it whilst yours looks super fresh...walmart deli FTL

oh btw...grape superpump??

[determined4000]

Jealous of your meat (no homo)
i finally started getting mine from the ACTUAL deli and it still looks like packaged crap not sure why...still has a greasy, slimy essence to it whilst yours looks super fresh...walmart deli FTL

oh btw...grape superpump??
actually I never buy deli meat
3x as expensive as chicken breast, plus most have added sodium, sugar and nitrates
It was part of the stash my mom sent me home with after visiting
I dont turn down free food :)

[Scooter4]

lol at ephedra caps. :p

Where did you get all that stuff?

[determined4000]

lol at ephedra caps. :p

Where did you get all that stuff?
I get a bunch of samples sent to me or with protein orders

[MarkVI]

You interested in selling some MGN whey? :D

[determined4000]

You interested in selling some MGN whey? :D

no
thats the last thing id be selling
Plus they are so affordable anyways

[MarkVI]

no
thats the last thing id be selling
Plus they are so affordable anyways


Their product really really sucks now :\ I've moved on the dymatize 12 hr which I think is becoming discontinued but dymatize will soon be making vitamin shoppe protein powder so we'll see what happens.

[determined4000]

Their product really really sucks now :\ I've moved on the dymatize 12 hr which I think is becoming discontinued but dymatize will soon be making vitamin shoppe protein powder so we'll see what happens.

no they changed suppliers back again
tastes better than ever
I recently have ordered multiple flavors and they are all good
Id try again if I were you
wont be disapointed

[MarkVI]

no they changed suppliers back again
tastes better than ever
I recently have ordered multiple flavors and they are all good
Id try again if I were you
wont be disapointed

YGPM and e-hugz (no homo).

[zpaintballer]

i am really sorry
I cant hit you with any right now but remind me if I dont hit you back soon.
Hopefully some of the other log followers will more than compensate.

reps from me to help ease the pain

[robkwan]

do u ever or have u ever incorporated 'cheat meals'?

[determined4000]

do u ever or have u ever incorporated 'cheat meals'?

No
I like what I eat
I make my own versions of Ice cream, pancakes, brownies, pizza
Plus stuff like fast food just turns me off and doesnt taste quite like a quality burger.

[Curls89]

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/3611222431_5a0556a72f-1.jpg?t=1286988556


Could I get the macros and recipe for those cookies they look amazing

[JValjean724]

Could I get the macros and recipe for those cookies they look amazing


1 2 3 4 MGN PEANUT BUTTER COOKIES

1 cup peanut butter (I used my Teddie's)
2 scoops PB whey
1/3 c flour
1 large egg

Bake for 10 to 12 minutes at 350°F.

Highly recommended that you are ready to eat something when you put them in because you won't want to wait when they are done.



**few pages back

[determined4000]

October 18-19
Decided to go back to an upper/lower split for the next few months probably. Reason being I only have to be on campus tuesday and thursday and my college gym has better equiptment for leg workouts. So T/Thursday will be all leg stuff (inc. deads) and other days will be my upper workouts.
Monday was an upper day. Curls, shoulder press, inclines, rows, b-rows, and t-rows.
Tuesday was filled with squatting, dead lifts, leg press, and finished off with some calf raises. Worked on form with all my lifts and tried to make sure I am getting proper extension on my lifts so that all the weights I record and track aren't phony.

Yanks lost again last night. On our last leg this afternoon (4pm for those who care)
2 exams down yesterday and two more tomorrow, so lots more studying this afternoon.

Eats

Proats
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture760.jpg?t=1287593986

Plate o' chicken for the next couple days

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/MEN177.jpg?t=1287594104

sauteed peppers and onions in EVOO (good for sandwiches or just as a side)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/MEN205.jpg?t=1287594162

deviled eggs

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/MEN215.jpg?t=1287594235

olives for snacking

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/MEN206.jpg?t=1287594235

[Curls89]

**few pages back

Thank you!!! Good thing I'm bulking because this thread always makes me so damn hungry

[determined4000]

October 20-21

Wednesday I had an interesting workout. Did a cross training workout (run, bike) and then instead of lifting, a band workout. Did it with a guy from school who does Iron Mans. Was nice for a change I guess. He is pretty intense.
Thursday was lower + dead lifts. My legs were still kinda feeling from Wednesday's bike, so I took it easy.

Hell week of exams are over. I got to get around to finishing my grad app essay that I have been putting off writing (doing this now to procrastinate :)).

Picked this up at the store. Rather than sodium, it uses potassium. Potassium somewhat negates the effect of high sodium. So this not only lowers your sodium intake by using less, but also increases potassium. I will let yall know how it tastes after trying it today.

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture.jpg?t=1287772980

Eats:

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture1010.jpg?t=1287773036

spaghetti squash casserole

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/RealtorsSpaghettiSquash.jpg?t=1287773058

Go Lean with Banana MGN

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture985.jpg?t=1287773122

Chicken, Broccoli w/ PB

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/MEN154.jpg?t=1287773265

Pizza omelet

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture866.jpg?t=1287773347

Looking forward to the weekend. May be coming down with a cold. So maybe more rest will be in order.

[AlwaysTryin]

What's the muesli looking dish :)

[determined4000]

What's the muesli looking dish :)

Not sure?
The spaghetti squash??

[PJMunh]

What's the muesli looking dish :)
candied walnuts i believe

[determined4000]

candied walnuts i believe

o wait the first pick
No actually that is Kashi Crunch with a whey/peanut butter syrup drizzled on top (so candied kashi)

[PJMunh]

o wait the first pick
No actually that is Kashi Crunch with a whey/peanut butter syrup drizzled on top (so candied kashi)
well played sir.

[themoose333]

you and your peanut butter broccoli lol...I guess I can't bash it until I try it though.

[determined4000]

you and your peanut butter broccoli lol...I guess I can't bash it until I try it though.

Question: Has peanut butter ever made anything taste bad?

[dustinh6719]

Question: Has peanut butter ever made anything taste bad?

Yes. Tuna... or maybe it was the tuna that made my PB taste bad :p

[doctapeppa]

Yes. Tuna... or maybe it was the tuna that made my PB taste bad :p

My lunch yesterday was one can of Solid White Albacore to which I added 30 grams of natty PB, a squirt of Sriracha Sauce and a squirt of Franks hot sauce. I put this in a flat out with romaine lettuce and it was delicious. Highly recommended to anyone with any interest in peanut butter.

[determined4000]

Yes. Tuna... or maybe it was the tuna that made my PB taste bad :p

2nd part is the truth
I didnt say PB would make something you dont like taste good
Just cant ruin anything
And if you dont think broccoli wtih melted PB is good, you are missing out.

[baco_bacon]

Pizza omelet.... that is awesome.

[addictR3]

hey d hows it all going? I see your still rollin along :)

[Holyspokes]

I'm pretty sure that salt free stuff that uses potassium is the only kind of potassium you can really "get too much of".

Why are you worried about sodium?

[determined4000]

Pizza omelet.... that is awesome.
Thanks. Tasted might good too.


hey d hows it all going? I see your still rollin along :)

Could be better. Lots of stress lately (family, work, school, grad apps). Yanks out of it, Cowboys suck.


I'm pretty sure that salt free stuff that uses potassium is the only kind of potassium you can really "get too much of".

Why are you worried about sodium?

Because I get around 3000mg of sodium a day. Just trying to balance things out.

[determined4000]

October 22-24

Friday I ended up taking a rest day because I have a cold and just felt like some rest was un order. Just did some work for shool, tasks around the apartment, got my haircut and took a nap.

Saturday was a leg day. Hit up the squats, leg press, deads and did some calf raises and leg extensions. I cut out leg curls because it sees I always end up pulling something when I try to go heavy with those and I assume they will still get hit to a lesser extent with my other exercises.

Sunday was chest, bi, tri. I a now breaking my upper into that and shoulders/back/delts. Felt like some of my chest and tri exercises hit both muscle groups anyways so I could do less of each of those and work in curls on the day as well.
Will see how it goes.

Some of the food:

MGN Choc PB Cheesy Proats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1175.jpg?t=1288025445

cereal

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1045.jpg?t=1288025503

pepper and onion sautee

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/MEN121.jpg?t=1288025599

mashed turnip with Promise

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/MEN258.jpg?t=1288025628

chicken cooking up on the foreman (yes I have the one with removeable plates :))

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture874.jpg?t=1288025709

In other news, I finally finished my first complete draft of my grad essays. Just some refining to do and then I should be getting these things out finally.
Starting to get cold in these parts and I do not like it. I hate the fall and winter New England weather. I keep wondering where I will be this time next year.

Quote of the day (not really inspirational but funny)

“Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could become a M.I.A. and then we'd all be put out on K.P.”.

??

[dustinh6719]

Quote of the day (not really inspirational but funny)

“Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could become a M.I.A. and then we'd all be put out on K.P.”.

??

Good Morning Vietnam! Gotta love Robin Williams one of my favorite actors, Patch Adams is one of my all time favorite movies.

[robkwan]

sorry u must have been asked this so many times but whats the ingredients for cheesey proats?

[determined4000]

sorry u must have been asked this so many times but whats the ingredients for cheesey proats?

Oats, whey, Cottage cheese as staples. Basically cook the oats most of the way through, then dump in the cottage cheese and finish reheating to melt it in. Then stir in the whey.
Sometimes I toss in PB or more cocoa powder.

Occasionally when I need more calories I end up baking it in the microwave by adding egg and carbquik/flour and it will turn into a more solid structure. Delicious any way you have it.

[determined4000]

Good Morning Vietnam! Gotta love Robin Williams one of my favorite actors, Patch Adams is one of my all time favorite movies.

repped for taste in movies

[Viat]

Oats, whey, Cottage cheese as staples. Basically cook the oats most of the way through, then dump in the cottage cheese and finish reheating to melt it in. Then stir in the whey.
Sometimes I toss in PB or more cocoa powder.

Occasionally when I need more calories I end up baking it in the microwave by adding egg and carbquik/flour and it will turn into a more solid structure. Delicious any way you have it.

How much of the cottage cheese can you taste in it and does it thicken the oats quite a bit? I'm not a fan of the taste/texture of cottage cheese, but if it is masked by the oats and protein it might be worth a try.

[determined4000]

How much of the cottage cheese can you taste in it and does it thicken the oats quite a bit? I'm not a fan of the taste/texture of cottage cheese, but if it is masked by the oats and protein it might be worth a try.

You certainly dont taste./feel the texture because it melts in.
You can use as much or as little as you want.
Maybe 2 servings oats, 1 serving CC, 1 scoop protein + add ins (PB/cocoa powder if you want it)

[determined4000]

Posted this in another person's thread and thought others who dont subscribe to that journal may find it helpful.

"One Night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand; one belonged to him and the other to the Lord.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life.

This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it. "Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you you'd walk with me all the way, but I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life, there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me." The Lord replied, "My precious, precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you." "

[JValjean724]

Good Morning Vietnam! Gotta love Robin Williams one of my favorite actors, Patch Adams is one of my all time favorite movies.

Never seen the movie but now that I know it's Robin Williams I can totally see him saying that


You certainly dont taste./feel the texture because it melts in.
You can use as much or as little as you want.
Maybe 2 servings oats, 1 serving CC, 1 scoop protein + add ins (PB/cocoa powder if you want it)

I can vouch for it too...you can pretty much just start dumping whatever you feel like in their and the cottage cheese just kind of absorbs the flavors

[determined4000]

Never seen the movie but now that I know it's Robin Williams I can totally see him saying that

I can vouch for it too...you can pretty much just start dumping whatever you feel like in their and the cottage cheese just kind of absorbs the flavors

Must see it. Made in the 80s I think.

I also must admit I am a cheese addict. Bars, sliced, melted on sandwiches, veggies, eggs, cottage cheese, cream cheese. Cant get enough.

[JValjean724]

Must see it. Made in the 80s I think.

I also must admit I am a cheese addict. Bars, sliced, melted on sandwiches, veggies, eggs, cottage cheese, cream cheese. Cant get enough.

I will look into that...actually haven't seen a good movie in a while

And I am an addict too. Cheese is my favorite food by far (that's why I was "mirin" your fantasy cheat so much lol)

[Viat]

You certainly dont taste./feel the texture because it melts in.
You can use as much or as little as you want.
Maybe 2 servings oats, 1 serving CC, 1 scoop protein + add ins (PB/cocoa powder if you want it)

Thanks, must spread rep.

[determined4000]

I am gona do it. Watching the Cowboys
I will regret it. O well.

[determined4000]

Has anyone else noticed if warm foods help them sleep?

I have ben eating Cheesy proats a lot as the lsat thing before bed. Two days ago and yesterday ate cereal cold and CC + PB cold instead and tossed and turned for 45minutes or so before finally passing out.

Connection?

[PJMunh]

Has anyone else noticed if warm foods help them sleep?

I have ben eating Cheesy proats a lot as the lsat thing before bed. Two days ago and yesterday ate cereal cold and CC + PB cold instead and tossed and turned for 45minutes or so before finally passing out.

Connection?
related: fats definitely help me sleep best, but as far as temperature goes, I'd definitely say warm helps me more than cold.

unrelated: sorry about last night.

[JValjean724]

Has anyone else noticed if warm foods help them sleep?

I have ben eating Cheesy proats a lot as the lsat thing before bed. Two days ago and yesterday ate cereal cold and CC + PB cold instead and tossed and turned for 45minutes or so before finally passing out.

Connection?

I've never noticed any negatives from eating ice cream minutes before I go to bed, but then again I'm not IFing so it's not as much food

[hrdgain3r89]

Has anyone else noticed if warm foods help them sleep?

I have ben eating Cheesy proats a lot as the lsat thing before bed. Two days ago and yesterday ate cereal cold and CC + PB cold instead and tossed and turned for 45minutes or so before finally passing out.

Connection?

Related: Looking back, yeah I can say Im more at rest after some warm proats rather than half-frozen CC + whey....i havent done any research but maybe warm food digests quicker or the ingredients are more broken down from the heating procesS?? hmm...

Unrelated: You guys are forgetting all about Jack!! Tops Patch Adams and Good Morning Vietnam by a long shot. Could watch 10304530 times. :)

(Bicentennial Man gets Honorable Mention...meh lol)

[determined4000]

Unrelated: You guys are forgetting all about Jack!! Tops Patch Adams and Good Morning Vietnam by a long shot. Could watch 10304530 times. :)

(Bicentennial Man gets Honorable Mention...meh lol)

No shot

1. Good Morning Vietnam
2. Good Will Hunting
3. Any TV standup routine

[dustinh6719]

No shot

1. Good Morning Vietnam
2. Good Will Hunting
3. Any TV standup routine

No Mrs. Doubtfire???

[determined4000]

unrelated: sorry about last night.

I dont know why I watched. I actually made a joke in a sports column I write for the student newspaper that Romo would be the Giants next injury victim.
Romo jersey went to the back of the closet :(


I've never noticed any negatives from eating ice cream minutes before I go to bed, but then again I'm not IFing so it's not as much food

Could just be me. Or could have just been the day. I'll figure it out


No Mrs. Doubtfire???

Was listing my top3

Doubtfire would be 4.

[staged]

Posted this in another person's thread and thought others who dont subscribe to that journal may find it helpful.

"One Night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand; one belonged to him and the other to the Lord.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life.

This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it. "Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you you'd walk with me all the way, but I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life, there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me." The Lord replied, "My precious, precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you." "

Wow very deep and informative, I love that quote!

On a side note "It's time to Rock it from the Delta to the D.M.Z.!" (Just an awsome movie all around, I love it when Adrian is teaching the English class real life usefull phrases)

[Lucky4143]

Keeping strong! Great job!!

[determined4000]

Oct 25-26

Workouts:
Monday was shoulders, traps, and delts. Workout consisted of overheads, military press, upright rows and did some lat raises to finish off. Hit highest weight in overhead and rows in quite some time.
Tuesday was leg day. Started with supersets of squats into calf raises and finished off with dead lifts. Killed those so I will save the sissy isolation leg exercises for another day.

Eats:

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture.jpg?t=1288203615

Been using this in place of salt along with my seasonings for my spinach. Taste is slightly different but still pretty good. I will continue to use it to up my potassium and cut some added sodium down (more room for cheese).

Beans and cheese

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/refriedbeans.jpg?t=1288203728

Kashi with MGN cake Batter mmmm

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture985.jpg?t=1288203766

BBQ chicken

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/MEN235.jpg?t=1288203839

MGN Vanilla Bean Soft Serve Ice Cream (see below for review)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/MEN096.jpg?t=1288203942

MGN Vanilla Bean Casein vs Vanilla ON Casein vs Dymatize 12-Hour

Macros- MGN: 96/22/.5/1-->92% protein
ON: 120/24/.5/4-->80% protein
Dymatize:125/21/1.5/6-->67% protein


Flavor: I would rank the Dymatize last out of the three. It was too sweet for me and had a tad bit of after taste. The Fudge brownie flavor was better. I would rank ONs well but I really dug the MGN for something different. It has more flavor than the regular vanilla (must be the bean part lol).


Ingredients- Pretty clear here that the MGN is the winner with 100% pure Micellar Casein. ON Casein use a blend of Micellar and calcium caseinate. For Dymatize, casein is well down the list in ingredients.

Usage- The MGN and ON Caseins both work much better for ice cream due to thickness. All three made thick batters for pancakes, brownies, etc. I found the ON casein to clump somewhat in oats, whereas the MGN did not (so mixibility was better for those shake people). I must admit I did have what could be constituted as a “shake” OMG! I recently bought some generic brand instant coffee instead of my Taster’s Choice. Needless to say it tasted like crap. However, given the name “Vanilla BEAN” the MGN sounded like a coffee flavor. So I tossed in two TBSP to my 16oz coffee and WOW.

Overall Very Scientific Ratings:
MGN-9.4756/10
ON- 8.7591/10
Dymatize: 7.6331/10

Winner:

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/g/mgn_casein.jpg

[determined4000]

Wow very deep and informative, I love that quote!

On a side note "It's time to Rock it from the Delta to the D.M.Z.!" (Just an awsome movie all around, I love it when Adrian is teaching the English class real life usefull phrases)
one of my favorite scenes as well
glad you liked the quote

Keeping strong! Great job!!

Will do
Didnt know you were a lurker
:cool:

[Tommy510]

one of my favorite scenes as well
glad you liked the quote


Will do
Didnt know you were a lurker
:cool:

hey D are u just ordering MGN products straight from there website? I checked on BB.com and they don't have the casein or the isolate anymore.

[determined4000]

hey D im thinking about buying the 4 pack of the 2lbs but im not really sure which one to get. Im thinking about the vanilla caramel, cinnamon buns, and im not really sure which 2 i should get. which ones would you recommend? I know you've tried many of these flavors so you're definitely the one to ask. THanks!
my favorites
Cake Batter
Cin Bun
chocolate pb (may not be in stock though)
ice cream sandwich

Havent tried vanilla caramel, but I cant say I have tried a flavor I didnt like

[determined4000]

good close and late NCAAF game on ESPN for all my fellow football fans

[determined4000]

October 27
Workout: Chest, bi, tri

Increased weight and reps on my bench. Stayed stagnant with everything else. I thin I will plan on trying to do that-->increase one exercise per workout. Thoughts?

Increased calories and felt energy was up. Only downside has been that I have had trouble falling asleep the last two days since the increase. I literally slept for four hours. Once I fall asleep I seem to sleep soundly but I toss and turn trying to. Then I had to get up for class, so I couldnt sleep in. Hopefully as my body adjust I will sleep better.

Eats:

PB Nanawich

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/peanutbutterandbanana.jpg?t=1288397271

Tuna Mexican Mash

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/MEN002.jpg?t=1288397328

Big bowl MGN chocolate Cheesy Proats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1191.jpg?t=1288397365

MGN Vanilla Bean Soft Serve

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/MEN095.jpg?t=1288397418

Surprised to see the Giants take a 2-0 lead. Rooting for them since Texas eliminated the Yanks. Of course the C's beat the Heat on opening night...and then lost to the inferior Cavs the next night. I have trouble rooting for them anyways because I don't like a lot of the personalities on the roster.

This weekend will be doing lots of homework, project, and watching football. Already got my game schedule lined up for Saturday (10am through 1am for college) and Sunday (11am- SNF for NFL). Hope everyone else has a good weekend.

[JValjean724]

Are you not being able to sleep because your mind is racing due to the increased energy? This always has happened to me about once a week and it is very frustrating (not to the extent of only getting 4 hours though)

And strong football line up lol. I used to do the same thing (except not for NCAA just NFL), but now I find myself only watching the Eagles games. Ocassionally though I go to a sports bar and soak in the football coming at me from 50 tvs though...no better way to watch

[Scooter4]

Increased weight and reps on my bench. Stayed stagnant with everything else. I thin I will plan on trying to do that-->increase one exercise per workout. Thoughts?

Increased calories and felt energy was up. Only downside has been that I have had trouble falling asleep the last two days since the increase. I literally slept for four hours. Once I fall asleep I seem to sleep soundly but I toss and turn trying to. Then I had to get up for class, so I couldnt sleep in. Hopefully as my body adjust I will sleep better

Sounds like me every night. About 5 hours is typically all I get. I honestly think results and recovery take a huge hit because of that though.

As for increasing weight/reps. I would just make sure you are going as hard as you possibly can. If you up weight on a certain exercise, but don't get to your desired rep number, then who cares. You pushed yourself harder with that little extra weight and that will make you stronger. Another thing you could try is adding weight to your last set and really pushing till failure (if you have a spotter).

[Mr.Cooper69]

[QUOTE=determined4000;569339241]October 27
Workout: Chest, bi, tri

Increased weight and reps on my bench. Stayed stagnant with everything else. I thin I will plan on trying to do that-->increase one exercise per workout. Thoughts?[QUOTE]

This is generally a good idea, but since you are far from your genetic potential, I would focus on increasing one core lift and at least one accessory lift every workout. I know I'm not too knowledgable in nutrition, but I have been trained by numerous top strength coaches at the collegiate level so my knowledge of training is pretty sound. Now typically, your shoulders will plateau first, followed by chest and arms, then back, then legs. So I would still focus on adding weight to the bar for all of your major back and leg lifts. Chest/arm/shoulder stagnancy is certainly acceptable and common in most trained individuals.

[determined4000]

This is generally a good idea, but since you are far from your genetic potential, I would focus on increasing one core lift and at least one accessory lift every workout. I know I'm not too knowledgable in nutrition, but I have been trained by numerous top strength coaches at the collegiate level so my knowledge of training is pretty sound. Now typically, your shoulders will plateau first, followed by chest and arms, then back, then legs. So I would still focus on adding weight to the bar for all of your major back and leg lifts. Chest/arm/shoulder stagnancy is certainly acceptable and common in most trained individuals.

what # sets and rep ranges do you reccomend?

[determined4000]

Sounds like me every night. About 5 hours is typically all I get. I honestly think results and recovery take a huge hit because of that though.

As for increasing weight/reps. I would just make sure you are going as hard as you possibly can. If you up weight on a certain exercise, but don't get to your desired rep number, then who cares. You pushed yourself harder with that little extra weight and that will make you stronger. Another thing you could try is adding weight to your last set and really pushing till failure (if you have a spotter).

5 hrs a night is tough (feeltiredman.jpg)

like the new avi
Must be those deeeeep squats

[Scooter4]

5 hrs a night is tough (feeltiredman.jpg)

like the new avi
Must be those deeeeep squats

Indeed it does. Sometimes I wonder how I make it through my workouts.

And thanks man.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Sounds like me every night. About 5 hours is typically all I get. I honestly think results and recovery take a huge hit because of that though.

As for increasing weight/reps. I would just make sure you are going as hard as you possibly can. If you up weight on a certain exercise, but don't get to your desired rep number, then who cares. You pushed yourself harder with that little extra weight and that will make you stronger. Another thing you could try is adding weight to your last set and really pushing till failure (if you have a spotter).

Strongly disagree. Progressive overload should be organized, not just increasing weights and lowering reps. Either up the reps or up the weight and keep reps constant. And this is not to be achieved in a linear fasion, so you should not "go as hard as you possibly can" every workout.

[Scooter4]

Strongly disagree. Progressive overload should be organized, not just increasing weights and lowering reps. Either up the reps or up the weight and keep reps constant. And this is not to be achieved in a linear fasion, so you should not "go as hard as you possibly can" every workout.

Well obviously you wouldn't keep adding weight if the reps keep getting lower and lower. The point is if you are aiming for 8 reps and you add weight on your last set and only get 6 reps, it isn't that big of a deal. If you do that same weight on your last set the next workout, you can try to push out the full 8 reps.

When on a bulk, I think strength should be going up every week (although there will be some weeks where you WILL be stagnant). Whether it be having a goal rep range and adding reps, or just simply adding weight.

I mean I won't lie, I don't know THAT MUCH about lifting, but this is just what I have always been told.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Well obviously you wouldn't keep adding weight if the reps keep getting lower and lower. The point is if you are aiming for 8 reps and you add weight on your last set and only get 6 reps, it isn't that big of a deal. If you do that same weight on your last set the next workout, you can try to push out the full 8 reps.

When on a bulk, I think strength should be going up every week (although there will be some weeks where you WILL be stagnant). Whether it be having a goal rep range and adding reps, or just simply adding weight.

I mean I won't lie, I don't know THAT MUCH about lifting, but this is just what I have always been told.

Yeah, this is a pretty good summary, maybe I misunderstood your post. Personally, I don't try to up the weight and lower the reps until I can get 10 clean reps (when training for hypertrophy). Weekly increases during a bulk will work for some time, but obviously weekly improvements will disappear with time. Its about knowing when to back off, then go for it again.

[determined4000]

Was doing some thinking,

What is so fun about the "Fun size" candy bars?

Wouldn't their more appropriate name be the "not quite as much fun size"?

[dustinh6719]

Was doing some thinking,

What is so fun about the "Fun size" candy bars?

Wouldn't their more appropriate name be the "not quite as much fun size"?

Haha yes, "King Size" is more deserving of a name like "Fun Size"

[JValjean724]

Was doing some thinking,

What is so fun about the "Fun size" candy bars?

Wouldn't their more appropriate name be the "not quite as much fun size"?

lol I complained about that every halloween when I was little

[determined4000]

Catching up a little bit

October 28

Lower workout
Stuck with fewer sets with only squat-->calf raise supersets and then deadlifts. Trying hard to improve the squats and dead lifts. I enjoy those lifts more than any other leg exercise and view them as more important. Upped the weight on my deadlift but only got out 5 reps. Will be trying to increase reps on that as was discussed (thanks scoot and coop).

Although the above and below listed WO and Eats are thursday, today is in fact Sunday. Sitting down to watch football all day. Will have my math book along side me (guys gota do what a guys gota do). Fortunately Dallas isn't on TV so I dont have to suffer too bad. Pats on at 4. Will be rooting hard for Favre to suck up the place. I am assuming he will start to keep the streak alive and then if he isn't playing well he will pull himself and put on a cast or something.

Eats:

Pumpkin Muffins

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Thanksgiving2009012.jpg?t=1288545924

Cottage cheese ice cream with MGN vanilla, blended fruit, CC, promise (for creaminess)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture883.jpg?t=1288545924

Warm cup o Joe

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture876.jpg?t=1288545924

peas in EVOO and granulated garlic sprinkled on

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture833.jpg?t=1288546167

Flapjacks

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/MEN152.jpg?t=1288546102

[ian0789]

I had a cup of Gevalia chocolate raspberry coffee with a scoop of Scivation Choc this morning. Came out yummy =O

[determined4000]

WOW the Cowboys suck.

[PJMunh]

Pats on at 4. Will be rooting hard for Favre to suck up the place. I am assuming he will start to keep the streak alive and then if he isn't playing well he will pull himself and put on a cast or something.

this is literally exactly whats going to happen.

[JValjean724]

You were right about Good Morning Vietnam.....I just finished it and it was great.

Thanks for the recommendation!

[determined4000]

You were right about Good Morning Vietnam.....I just finished it and it was great.

Thanks for the recommendation!

GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD MMMMMMMOORRRRRRNNNNNNNINNNNNNNNNNGGGGG
VVVVVIIIIIIIEEEEETTTTTTNNNNNNAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM!!! !!!


I need to watch it again too.

Glad you enjoyed :)

[anhnoff]

Man i wish i were your roomie.

[JValjean724]

GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD MMMMMMMOORRRRRRNNNNNNNINNNNNNNNNNGGGGG
VVVVVIIIIIIIEEEEETTTTTTNNNNNNAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM!!! !!!


I need to watch it again too.

Glad you enjoyed :)

There were so many great scenes and lines....so far all your recommendations have been spot on, you know your stuff ;)

I can't believe I'd never heard about this movie before

[ErickStevens]

Man i wish i were your roomie.

Pause.

[determined4000]

Man i wish i were your roomie.


Pause.
....

There were so many great scenes and lines....so far all your recommendations have been spot on, you know your stuff ;)

I can't believe I'd never heard about this movie before

Me neither

In other news: Boise State continues to win and drop in the BCS
GGGGRRRRRRRRR

[determined4000]

To those of you who are familiar with the "Rankings" thread, I am thinking about doing a theme each week. Such as, Halloween themed polls for this week. Good idea? Who cares? Bad idea?

And just saw an ad for pistachos "the lowest fat nut"-->defeating purpose???

[Saintly]

The Halloween themed week would've been awesome if you had done it leading up to today :/

[determined4000]

The Halloween themed week would've been awesome if you had done it leading up to today :/

Just have to get my transcript from school this week and the UPENN app will be done and sent off.

[ErickStevens]

....
In other news: Boise State continues to win and drop in the BCS
GGGGRRRRRRRRR

Quality wins: Oregon St. and Virginia Tech.

:-/

[determined4000]

Quality wins: Oregon St. and Virginia Tech.

:-/

But no one will schedule them!--> PLAYOFF!
And TCU overtakes them wth quality wins over Oregon St. and ....BYU?

[Scooter4]

And just saw an ad for pistachos "the lowest fat nut"-->defeating purpose???

Although this isn't really related, I read something in a magazine today that made me lol. It said something along the lines of this: "Nuts are very healthy. Despite them being very calorically dense, they are not known to cause body fat."

Wut?

How is the weight gain coming by the way?

[determined4000]

Although this isn't really related, I read something in a magazine today that made me lol. It said something along the lines of this: "Nuts are very healthy. Despite them being very calorically dense, they are not known to cause body fat."

Wut?

How is the weight gain coming by the way?

for about 5 weeks I kept calories about the same and was progressing.
Then 2 weeks of the same thing actually lost a little.
So this past we I bumped it up and...stayed the same
So bumping again. Guess my body has increased maintenance level. Plus I feel like I am breaking through a little plateau in the gym.

[82ndSergeant]

for about 5 weeks I kept calories about the same and was progressing.
Then 2 weeks of the same thing actually lost a little.
So this past we I bumped it up and...stayed the same
So bumping again. Guess my body has increased maintenance level. Plus I feel like I am breaking through a little plateau in the gym.

Don't come to this post if you're shredding down bf! Just looking at this stuff makes me feel like I cheated.

[determined4000]

October 29

Still catching up

Workout:
Shoulder Traps and Delts

Sleep: I had mentioned I was only sleeping a 5hours or so a night last week. Well I managed to get in 18 hours the last two days and feel much better. The headaches that was having (probably from being overtired) are gone and overall energy is better.

Eats:

MGN cheesy Proats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Picture780.jpg?t=1288640820

MGN/carbquik bake

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Picture774.jpg?t=1288640820

1c Candied walnuts

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1029.jpg?t=1288640928

spinach with salsa

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture854.jpg?t=1288641027


Training Tip of the day: I have noticed that icing every day (regardless of soreness) has really improved my recovery.


Trivia for reps: In what book can you read the explanation for why drug dealers still live with their mothers?

[PBateman2]

Cold water baths FTW.

Phillips need to be fired. Jones needs to step down.

Good eats.

[determined4000]

Cold water baths FTW.

Phillips need to be fired. Jones needs to step down.

Good eats.

I don't know what Jerry s waiting for with Phillips.

And the chances of him giving up control 0.01%

[PBateman2]

I don't know what Jerry s waiting for with Phillips.

And the chances of him giving up control 0.01%

Agree. A 10 yr old kid could do the same job as Phillips..lol..SRS.

Yeah Jones wont give up control. I like Cowher but that isnt happening. They need someone like him.

Romo too. Good arm, will put up stats, but he just cant lead a team when it counts. He doesnt have any leadership skills. Minimal.

Oh well.

[Curls89]

Agree. A 10 yr old kid could do the same job as Phillips..lol..SRS.

Yeah Jones wont give up control. I like Cowher but that isnt happening. They need someone like him.

Romo too. Good arm, will put up stats, but he just cant lead a team when it counts. He doesnt have any leadership skills. Minimal.

Oh well.

We'll trade you Childress for Phillips

[PBateman2]

we'll trade you childress for phillips

lol

[determined4000]

Agree. A 10 yr old kid could do the same job as Phillips..lol..SRS.

Yeah Jones wont give up control. I like Cowher but that isnt happening. They need someone like him.

Romo too. Good arm, will put up stats, but he just cant lead a team when it counts. He doesnt have any leadership skills. Minimal.

Oh well.

I am hoping (and praying) for Cowher or Gruden.
Need some one who can come in and kick some a**.

[determined4000]

We'll trade you Childress for Phillips

um no thanks
See above post

[Curls89]

um no thanks
See above post

haha I thought so...I just hope my Vikes don't move to LA...btw I don't think I've said this but awesome journal it always makes me hungry good thing I'm bulking

[dustinh6719]

I am hoping (and praying) for Cowher or Gruden.
Need some one who can come in and kick some a**.

Wow, either one of those two would turn Dallas around real quick, but I don't see either one of them coaching again for at least a couple more years.

In other news, I'm still lol'ing about the Vikings dumping Moss :p

[agility2live]

I'm HEREEEE!
give me time to catch up, but thank god I'm here.
I'm assuming you're doing fantastic, because I wouldn't expect anything less ;)

[determined4000]

I'm HEREEEE!
give me time to catch up, but thank god I'm here.
I'm assuming you're doing fantastic, because I wouldn't expect anything less ;)

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Where you bin?
Hopefully everything is ok.
Like the new avi.

[Saintly]

Just have to get my transcript from school this week and the UPENN app will be done and sent off.

April will be here in no time and hopefully will bring good news with it. How are other apps coming along?

[Scooter4]

haha I thought so...I just hope my Vikes don't move to LA...btw I don't think I've said this but awesome journal it always makes me hungry good thing I'm bulking

If they move to LA, I will be one depressed mofo. Despite all the disappointment they cause, I really like having a football team to cheer for since it is the only sport I really care about.

[determined4000]

April will be here in no time and hopefully will bring good news with it. How are other apps coming along?

Pretty much same story. Cant wait to get them all out and over with


If they move to LA, I will be one depressed mofo. Despite all the disappointment they cause, I really like having a football team to scream at

fixed

[agility2live]

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Where you bin?
Hopefully everything is ok.
Like the new avi.

Thanks!
everything's a hell of a lot better now! I've just been dealing with a lot of family things, ect... but it's to the point where I can finally breathe, so here I am!

I also FINALLY found a gym that isn't full of cardio bunny pansies running around that's close to where I'm located today..which makes me a very happy camper.

Can you give me the recap on what I missed?

[determined4000]

Thanks!
everything's a hell of a lot better now! I've just been dealing with a lot of family things, ect... but it's to the point where I can finally breathe, so here I am!

I also FINALLY found a gym that isn't full of cardio bunny pansies running around that's close to where I'm located today..which makes me a very happy camper.

Can you give me the recap on what I missed?
In this thread
1. Lots of workouts
2. Mouth watering looking eats pics
3. Disgusting lookng eats pics that tasted even better
4. Occasional quotes and trivia
Elsewhere
5. A few other new good logs
6. MEN
7. Many interesting Nutritional THread Ranking Results
8. Countless Clean vs Dirty debates
9. Countless Rate my diet posts
10. Countless, Can I eat carbs/fruit/insert any food here after 8 pm questions

so the usual

Glad to hear things are better. I am hoping you are back for good...

[agility2live]

In this thread
1. Lots of workouts
2. Mouth watering looking eats pics
3. Disgusting lookng eats pics that tasted even better
4. Occasional quotes and trivia
Elsewhere
5. A few other new good logs
6. MEN
7. Many interesting Nutritional THread Ranking Results
8. Countless Clean vs Dirty debates
9. Countless Rate my diet posts
10. Countless, Can I eat carbs/fruit/insert any food here after 8 pm questions

so the usual

Glad to hear things are better. I am hoping you are back for good...


hahahaaha.. but seriously when you're away for this long, I almost miss all the countless, pointless, and irritating threads that disregard common sense ... almost

thanks, I'm glad you're doing well also.
as far as I know, I won't be going anywhere.
I just have to work my ass off now to make up for lost time, should be fun

[The Big Sleep]

Trivia for reps: In what book can you read the explanation for why drug dealers still live with their mothers?

The one you recommended me, Superfreakanomics, no?

[determined4000]

The one you recommended me, Superfreakanomics, no?

close

[watermelon_2001]

Trivia for reps: In what book can you read the explanation for why drug dealers still live with their mothers?

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Obviously.
Yeeeeeeah, I've no idea...

Glad to be back checking your log, have been away too long. Hope things are going well, and the eats are still looking good :D

[ErickStevens]

Freakonomics.

[determined4000]

Freakonomics.

Ding Ding Ding

Yes. The orignal. Better than SuperFreakonomics IMO.

Unfortunately I "must spread" some reps around before hitting you again.

[determined4000]

October 30th

And on Sunday, he rested.

Spent the day watching football and doing homework.

New Shipment:

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Picture777.jpg?t=1288732147

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Picture778-1.jpg?t=1288732146


Eats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/peanutbutterandbanana.jpg?t=1288732238

MGN Chocolate PB cheesy proats

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1171.jpg?t=1288732459

Eggs

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meats/DCLOctober2008144.jpg?t=1288732749

turkey ham n cheese

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture1148.jpg?t=1288732615

[dustinh6719]

Have you tried the WF Caramel yet? Thoughts??

[determined4000]

Have you tried the WF Caramel yet? Thoughts??

Yes
It is essentially the same exact thing as the dip (if you have had it). I dont think they changed it at all from the dip to be honest (just a different container).
Good IMO.
Not as good a replacer as the pancake syrup is for reg syrup (but what is?)

[fitlover]

Oh hai. Late, but subbed.

[determined4000]

Oh hai. Late, but subbed.

Glad to have you

November 1 (wut? November already?)

Workout: Legs. Just stuck to squats, calf raises and leg extensions. PR'd on multiple sets with squats and felt great. I like kept volume low for all my other lifts to stay strong for those.

Weather: Getting cold-->do not like

School: Maaadddd busy. I have projects going on in every single one of my classes, 2 exams to study for, finishing up paper work for apps, meeting with advisors, contacting grad schools, contacting employers for temp work between graduation and grad school. Sleep has still been good. Thank God. Seems like I sleep 7hrs one night (school nights) and 9 the next, when I can sleep in. Guess its evening out.

Eats:

made a few pancakes

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/MEN143.jpg?t=1288810422

MGN whey my way

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture975.jpg?t=1288810462

Cereal

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1164-1.jpg?t=1288810555

Chicken and veg

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1120.jpg?t=1288810603

Where was it said?
"And the only prescription, is more COW BELL"

[PBateman2]

Answer to question:

Believe it was Christopher Walken on SNL? That freaken sketch was EPIC!!!!! Hilarious.

[determined4000]

Answer to question:

Believe it was Christopher Walken on SNL? That freaken sketch was EPIC!!!!! Hilarious.

ding ding ding
+reps

[IrishPilot]

Holy stack of solid looking pancakes batman!

[determined4000]

Came across this
thought it was funny. I think I only eat about 10/22 listed with regularity

http://www.al-jamiat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/grocerylist.jpg

[determined4000]

Rondo most assists thru 5 games in NBA history

[dustinh6719]

Rondo most assists thru 5 games in NBA history

No longer the big three in Boston. The big four!
And to think just couple of years ago I was ashamed to admit being a Celtics fan.

[determined4000]

No longer the big three in Boston. The big four!
And to think just couple of years ago I was ashamed to admit being a Celtics fan.

And I was rooting for them to lose so they could draft Oden.

[determined4000]

2Nov
Back, bis, tris

Exercises were deadlifts, rows, seated rows, curls, concnetration curls, tri ext, and bench rows. Upped the reps on my deadlifts and seated rows

Chicken with cayenne,smok'd paprika, italian seasoning

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/MEN005.jpg?t=1288907028

cereal trail mix

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/MEN113.jpg?t=1288907558

Kashi w MGN cake batter

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture979.jpg?t=1288907204

MGN Chocolate Frosting CC Ice Cream

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1168.jpg?t=1288907249

Was my first time trying the MGN Micellar flavor. Was really good and thick just the way I like it.

Weather: Sucks. Cold, wet, rainy.
School: Off the charts busy. Just got assigned another project on top of the 5 I am already working on plus I have to set up more meetings with some other folks about my Honors Thesis. Only got 5-6 hours of sleep last night. Looking forward to the weekend.

Cartoon of the day:

http://www.marketobservation.com/blogs/media/blogs/Statistics/CartoonUSTreasuries.jpg

[agility2live]

YESSSS I love you for that cartoon haha

p.s. - still concerned for the lack of veggies/fruit -- explain?

[determined4000]

YESSSS I love you for that cartoon haha

p.s. - still concerned for the lack of veggies/fruit -- explain?

Oh, sorry. I dont post everything I eat. I generally figure people would get tired of seeing posts of the same veggies I eat everyday. Same goes for peanut butter, nuts, and other random stuff I pick on to hit my calories. I eat at least 1lb veg a day, mostly seasoned spinach (bought frozen), broccoli, cauliflower.

[agility2live]

Oh, sorry. I dont post everything I eat. I generally figure people would get tired of seeing posts of the same veggies I eat everyday. Same goes for peanut butter, nuts, and other random stuff I pick on to hit my calories. I eat at least 1lb veg a day, mostly seasoned spinach (bought frozen), broccoli, cauliflower.

Ohhh okay! I must've missed that post.. being MIA for so long does that :(
I knew you wouldn't hold out on them! No fruit though?

[determined4000]

Ohhh okay! I must've missed that post.. being MIA for so long does that :(
I knew you wouldn't hold out on them! No fruit though?

I eat fruit. Just not every single day. There are certain things (chicken, veggies, PB, cottage cheese, whey) that I eat everyday in about the same specified amount. Then I pick and chose the other things to hit my totals, get variety, eat what I feel like, etc, depending on the day. Don't worry, you will see some soon ;)

[Saintly]

Was really good and thick just the way I like it.


I see...

[JValjean724]

That sucks about the work overload....at first I thought that you were comparing yourself to the cow in the cartoon and the farmer was all the people demanding your time/energy. And then I actully read the words lol.


Cake Batter whey sounds amazing in cereal too.....eventually I'm going to get some new flavors

[agility2live]

I eat fruit. Just not every single day. There are certain things (chicken, veggies, PB, cottage cheese, whey) that I eat everyday in about the same specified amount. Then I pick and chose the other things to hit my totals, get variety, eat what I feel like, etc, depending on the day. Don't worry, you will see some soon ;)


I'm the same way, I get in moods where all I want is fruit, then other days where I'm only in the mood for veggies lol. I wish most weren't packed with sugar though

[Scooter4]

Was really good and thick just the way I like it.

That's what she said, lol.


I'm the same way, I get in moods where all I want is fruit, then other days where I'm only in the mood for veggies lol. I wish most weren't packed with sugar though

I used to eat a ton of fruit. Haven't had any in almost a month though. Come at me. :)

[watermelon_2001]

I used to eat a ton of fruit. Haven't had any in almost a month though. Come at me. :)

I'm not surprised really, fruit does have a dark side...

http://trustmaude.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bananaflasherbig.jpg

[ian0789]

Lolz Man that pic is funny as heck! Made my day!

[determined4000]

November 3-4
Wednesday I benched, did overheads, shrugs, weighted chins and dips. While my upright row went up, my bench went DOWN. Really frustrated. Decided to take yesterday off and then up calories starting today. Need better progress.

Weather: Really depressing. Poured yesterday, dark and gloomy today and it gets pitch black by 5:30-6:00pm.

Will be trying to get some work done today after my workout, then give myself some time to relax tonight. Hopefully there will be some good games on, I haven't really checked. Looking for some different meal ideas if anyone has any in particular at the moment.

Eats:

As promised ;) Ate with 45g PB

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/MEN040.jpg?t=1288989287

Hadn't had any tuna in a while so i mixed some with Franks and put it in a wrap

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/MEN041.jpg?t=1288989287

Made some garlic bread (ate topped with promise)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/MEN223.jpg?t=1288989287

massive turkey breast and broccoli raab

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/MEN269.jpg?t=1288989446

Mexican spaghetti squash with salsa and cheese

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/spaghetti.jpg?t=1288989509

Overall, very pleased with the increased variety.

Cartoon of the day

http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/29/2010/11/05/85345_600.jpg

Image of the day

http://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/demotivational_posters/bravery.jpg

Enjoy the weekend everyone. Probably won't post next full update til Sunday night/ Monday.

[jake1224]

been stealth-reading this log for awhile, always good stuff. That garlic bread you made, elaborate on ingredients/procedure?

[determined4000]

been stealth-reading this log for awhile, always good stuff. That garlic bread you made, elaborate on ingredients/procedure?

1. Use any conventional bread recipe
2. Bake bread
or buy italian bread
3. Slice bread in half
4. Spread layer of butter (I use promise) and dash on (I use loads) garlic powder, garlic salt and mash in some garlic cloves. I also like to add onion powder.
Then place on bake sheet and toast until golden brown.

[dustinh6719]

I've seen you post Brocolli Raab a couple of times, Hows it compare to regular brocolli?

[determined4000]

I've seen you post Brocolli Raab a couple of times, Hows it compare to regular brocolli?

More flavor, higher protein, more...options with it
I say the last one because it has a stem like broccoli but then leaves as part of the bunch. So you can use the leaves like greens (cooked or in salad) and then steam the stems like broccoli.
I generally don't buy it because it usually sells for 1.99/lb vs broccoli 0.99/lb, but one store near my parents house sells it at the same price as broccoli so I load up on it when I visit my parents.

here is a picture before leaf/stem separation

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iB5Es0coIQ4/S2SJaPAQ3-I/AAAAAAAAATA/hSucZ1D5bok/s320/rapini.jpg

[agility2live]

I used to eat a ton of fruit. Haven't had any in almost a month though. Come at me. :)


I'm not surprised really, fruit does have a dark side...
/img]

Haha I haven't lately either.. I love that pic!




As promised ;) Ate with 45g PB

Yay! Okay, I'll get off your back about it I promise :).

[watermelon_2001]

November 3-4
Wednesday I benched, did overheads, shrugs, weighted chins and dips. While my upright row went up, my bench went DOWN. Really frustrated. Decided to take yesterday off and then up calories starting today. Need better progress.

Unlucky, but don't get too hung up on it; you can't progress in everything every time. As a plus though, you did make some improvements, so not a total loss.


Weather: Really depressing. Poured yesterday, dark and gloomy today and it gets pitch black by 5:30-6:00pm.

I hear that, it's exactly the same here. A bit of a kick in the nuts because we actually did get some 'summer' weather over here this year, even after autumn kicked in. Coming up to winter though, things just nasty...


Looking for some different meal ideas if anyone has any in particular at the moment.

What sort of calorie range would you be looking for? Got a couple ideas for bigger and smaller meals.


Image of the day


Mind telling me, what is the name of that fluffy fella? I've seen him in different places (even as a stuffed toy) and for some reason he always puts a smile on my face.

[ian0789]

D what are your Calories looking like these days? Any change in Weight in the last week or so?

[JValjean724]

Garlic Bread looks good (always a favorite of mine)


D what are your Calories looking like these days? Any change in Weight in the last week or so?

^^^I was curious whether or not you were still counting. I remember you taking a hiatus and losing weight while trying to eat by "feel," but I can't remember the resolution afterwards.



And if you're looking for a good game, look no further than the Eagles vs. the Colts on Sunday (I may be a little biased)

[fitlover]

Hah, I love that "bravery" pic!

[DanTheManB]

Came in here for the first time in a while hoping to see improvements/changes with your food fears....sadly, I am dissapoint

[Halfnelson]

Ok! I just returned from my backpacking trip, 6 months down the track and...

Well I want to be supportive D. I really do. I understand you have problems regarding food and weight. But it's been over 9 months since you commenced your 'bulk' now. Last I checked was late April when you were eating around 2350 cals daily... Now really. You should have absolutelely NAILED how many cals you need to eat to consistently gain weight by now. You're a sharp lad. I've caught up on most of this thread and read your recent posts regarding slight weight increases but...

Please, please tell me you've gained at least 6-12 pounds since April.

If you have, then great!

... But if you haven't (and your recent pictures sort of indicate this), well surely you've realized how much of your own time and money you're wasting?? I want to help you D. But why spend hundreds of hours in the gym, thousands of dollars on a membership and supplements, 9 months updating an exclusive 'bulking thread', and endless days counting calories if you're not actually going to benefit from it all by gaining significant weight?? Surely you're sick of sacrificing so much to gain so little??

So please, please, please tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you've packed on slabs of muscle and perhaps even a little fat (God forbid!).

Tell me that D4000's Bulk in 2010 is going to deliver!!

[DanTheManB]

Ok! I just returned from my backpacking trip, 6 months down the track and...

Well I want to be supportive D. I really do. I understand you have problems regarding food and weight. But it's been over 9 months since you commenced your 'bulk' now. Last I checked was late April when you were eating around 2350 cals daily... Now really. You should have absolutelely NAILED how many cals you need to eat to consistently gain weight by now. You're a sharp lad. I've caught up on most of this thread and read your recent posts regarding slight weight increases but...

Please, please tell me you've gained at least 6-12 pounds since April.

If you have, then great!

... But if you haven't (and your recent pictures sort of indicate this), well surely you've realized how much of your own time and money you're wasting?? I want to help you D. But why spend hundreds of hours in the gym, thousands of dollars on a membership and supplements, 9 months updating an exclusive 'bulking thread', and endless days counting calories if you're not actually going to benefit from it all by gaining significant weight?? Surely you're sick of sacrificing so much to gain so little??

So please, please, please tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you've packed on slabs of muscle and perhaps even a little fat (God forbid!).

Tell me that D4000's Bulk in 2010 is going to deliver!!

Dude knows his shiit and nutrition. It's a damn shame he's dealing with this ED ...wish I could help him man...skimming thru the thread since I've been here last it feels horrible that he's still sick.

[determined4000]

Wasn't going to post but do to the flipping outage I will clear up
I addressed this last week when Scooter asked on 10-31
I fained a few lbs over the 1st month back into things (right on track), was happy, kept cals the same, then dropped 2lbs then next two weeks. FIgured maintenance must be increasing so I added calories this week and am pleased to report I gained .5lbs. Again right where I want to be. However, due to the plateau I am seeing in the gym, I am continuing the increases this week.
Lastly, I have never ever claimed to be fully recovered. I admit it is a battle of pushing out the negative thoughts and willing myself to do what I know intellectually is correct. I appreciate everyone's support, more than you can imagine. Even DanthemanB inspires me to prove him wrong ;).

Inspirational quote of the day
"I’ve decided that enough is enough, I’m tired of being hungry. If this increase leads to me having a higher rate of fat gain then so be it, I just don’t want to feel like crap anymore."

O heck, why not two

"Do not, under any conditions, GIVE UP! You WILL fail. You WILL face hardships. You WILL feel like all hope is lost. But by God, just dont give up! It is only when you have given up that you have truly lost the battle within. "

[DanTheManB]

Wasn't going to post but do to the flipping outage I will clear up
I addressed this last week when Scooter asked on 10-31
I fained a few lbs over the 1st month back into things (right on track), was happy, kept cals the same, then dropped 2lbs then next two weeks. FIgured maintenance must be increasing so I added calories this week and am pleased to report I gained .5lbs. Again right where I want to be. However, due to the plateau I am seeing in the gym, I am continuing the increases this week.
Lastly, I have never ever claimed to be fully recovered. I admit it is a battle of pushing out the negative thoughts and willing myself to do what I know intellectually is correct. I appreciate everyone's support, more than you can imagine. Even DanthemanB inspires me to prove him wrong ;).

Inspirational quote of the day
"I’ve decided that enough is enough, I’m tired of being hungry. If this increase leads to me having a higher rate of fat gain then so be it, I just don’t want to feel like crap anymore."

O heck, why not two

"Do not, under any conditions, GIVE UP! You WILL fail. You WILL face hardships. You WILL feel like all hope is lost. But by God, just dont give up! It is only when you have given up that you have truly lost the battle within. "

I hope every day you prove me wrong.

[Scooter4]

Wasn't going to post but do to the flipping outage I will clear up
I addressed this last week when Scooter asked on 10-31
I fained a few lbs over the 1st month back into things (right on track), was happy, kept cals the same, then dropped 2lbs then next two weeks. FIgured maintenance must be increasing so I added calories this week and am pleased to report I gained .5lbs. Again right where I want to be. However, due to the plateau I am seeing in the gym, I am continuing the increases this week.
Lastly, I have never ever claimed to be fully recovered. I admit it is a battle of pushing out the negative thoughts and willing myself to do what I know intellectually is correct. I appreciate everyone's support, more than you can imagine. Even DanthemanB inspires me to prove him wrong ;).

Inspirational quote of the day
"I’ve decided that enough is enough, I’m tired of being hungry. If this increase leads to me having a higher rate of fat gain then so be it, I just don’t want to feel like crap anymore."

O heck, why not two

"Do not, under any conditions, GIVE UP! You WILL fail. You WILL face hardships. You WILL feel like all hope is lost. But by God, just dont give up! It is only when you have given up that you have truly lost the battle within. "

I like this. Can I ask where calories are at? Nobody should give you shiit about it if you are gaining.

And I'm not expecting them to be at 4K, lol.

[RobocopIsBack]

2 bananas a day :)

[The Big Sleep]

Inspirational quote of the day
"Do not, under any conditions, GIVE UP! You WILL fail. You WILL face hardships. You WILL feel like all hope is lost. But by God, just dont give up! It is only when you have given up that you have truly lost the battle within. "

Thank you D, never forget these words, I mean it!

[Halfnelson]

I fained a few lbs over the 1st month back into things (right on track), was happy, kept cals the same, then dropped 2lbs then next two weeks. FIgured maintenance must be increasing so I added calories this week and am pleased to report I gained .5lbs. Again right where I want to be. However, due to the plateau I am seeing in the gym, I am continuing the increases this week. "

Good to hear that you have gained some weight recently. But it seems like you're just taking a seesaw ride. Except for a whole year. You gain, you lose, you gain, you lose. Oh man. Keep this up and you'll be exactly the same in 10 years.

I mean how do you go from eating enough calories to consistently gain weight, to eating the same amount but dropping 2 pounds in only 2 weeks? You must have been literally starving. On a bulk! I doubt that your maintenance calories could have increased by so much (in such a short time) that your bulking calories became extreme CUTTING calories. Sure I've had times when my bulking calories didn't bulk me anymore. But I've certainly never LOST weight on a bulk (I don't think). Let alone 2 pounds in 2 weeks...

I want to help D. But please be honest. Where does that weight loss come from? Illness, over-exercising to compensate, not taking into account extra daily activities (e.g., walking to college)?

On days that you're unsure if you've hit enough calories to bulk, why don't you just say f#!k it, and eat a tablespoon of PB? Better than to lose weight right?... Right?

I don't want to bother you though. I'm no expert. I'll just sit back, watch and cheer you on!

[JValjean724]

Wasn't going to post but do to the flipping outage I will clear up
I addressed this last week when Scooter asked on 10-31
I fained a few lbs over the 1st month back into things (right on track), was happy, kept cals the same, then dropped 2lbs then next two weeks. FIgured maintenance must be increasing so I added calories this week and am pleased to report I gained .5lbs. Again right where I want to be. However, due to the plateau I am seeing in the gym, I am continuing the increases this week.
Lastly, I have never ever claimed to be fully recovered. I admit it is a battle of pushing out the negative thoughts and willing myself to do what I know intellectually is correct. I appreciate everyone's support, more than you can imagine. Even DanthemanB inspires me to prove him wrong ;).

Inspirational quote of the day
"I’ve decided that enough is enough, I’m tired of being hungry. If this increase leads to me having a higher rate of fat gain then so be it, I just don’t want to feel like crap anymore."

O heck, why not two

"Do not, under any conditions, GIVE UP! You WILL fail. You WILL face hardships. You WILL feel like all hope is lost. But by God, just dont give up! It is only when you have given up that you have truly lost the battle within. "

I feel famous :o. lol

And you seem to be right on track if you've been consistent with your intake. Who's to tell you how your body responds to food other than you? You do seem to keep a lot of things shrouded in mystery, but I think that's just the way you are and not because you are trying to hide anything (I could be wrong but I hope not). Some people are just taking that the wrong way.....I mean it wouldn't make sense for you to be making a log and then lie about what you're doing.

Keep it strong D.



I like this. Can I ask where calories are at? Nobody should give you shiit about it if you are gaining.

And I'm not expecting them to be at 4K, lol.

^^^this

[ian0789]

I wasn't trying to start some Attack D flame, was just curious! I eat a lot of the same foods as you and I know (from now becoming a counting crack head) how much cals are in some of your eats. That is with out what ever stuff you cook it in. Like a spaghetti squash you can get like 6 cups out of and = 2.4g Fat, 60g Carb and 6g Pro. Just doing some math in my head... unless you are adding a lot of Calorie heavy ingredients I do question your Cal intake.

Its just I see a lot of times you are saying you had a bad workout or wasnt feeling it that day. You keep things very hush hush about updates on pic's or weigh in days. It could be just me missing them as I do slack off on reading all these logs some days!

[PJMunh]

hey D, I was kinda going to keep this under wraps since I didn't want to seem like a stalker or anything, but since I've lurked for so long I remember you saying you're living in North Smithfield. I personally live in Smithfield and if there's anything you want me to do for you/want me to keep you in-check nutrition wise/need a spot to lift with just let me know man.

I'm not saying you need someone who's going to force food down your throat, but it's clear everyone wants to see you gain, and being someone who recovered from an ED, bulked up from a skin and bones 149, and has been through similar (not quite as harsh) situations as you, I feel like I could really help you out.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you need anything.

[fitlover]

Guys... it's more than just the food.

As much as I agree with D needing to gain a little...you can't just say to someone, "eat". Of course, it IS what the person should be doing, and it's relatively easy for someone to just tell another person to eat...but it really is beyond that. Recovery isn't just eating more and gaining weight.

What if D gained 10 lbs, but still is hanging onto ED thoughts? That's when relapses happen. I've seen people go from anorexic to a normal weight, and everyone thought somehow they were recovered, just because they gained weight...little did they know, that person still had a lot of things ****ed up in his head, despite the weight gain. It comes down to him needing to sort out a lot of different issues on a psychological level.

My point is...be encouraging. I am sure he is trying, but knowing where he comes from, it's very difficult and frustrating when everyone is just telling you to "eat" or "stop" what you're doing. It's not as simple as that.

Side note: D, have you thought about going into counseling? JW.

[JValjean724]

Guys... it's more than just the food.

As much as I agree with D needing to gain a little...you can't just say to someone, "eat". Of course, it IS what the person should be doing, and it's relatively easy for someone to just tell another person to eat...but it really is beyond that. Recovery isn't just eating more and gaining weight.

What if D gained 10 lbs, but still is hanging onto ED thoughts? That's when relapses happen. I've seen people go from anorexic to a normal weight, and everyone thought somehow they were recovered, just because they gained weight...little did they know, that person still had a lot of things ****ed up in his head, despite the weight gain. It comes down to him needing to sort out a lot of different issues on a psychological level.

My point is...be encouraging. I am sure he is trying, but knowing where he comes from, it's very difficult and frustrating when everyone is just telling you to "eat" or "stop" what you're doing. It's not as simple as that.

Side note: D, have you thought about going into counseling? JW.



Exactly, to everything above. Last Spring an outsider would have said I was recovered: I had gained 20 lbs and was 146 which is small but "normal range." I still did not have a healthy relationship with food however, which is why I came careening all the way back down to where I am now.

From what I've read D seems to be well on his way though and is a great help to others including myself.

Your side note: I'm pretty confident he is seeing some one and has been for a while

[fitlover]

Exactly, to everything above. Last Spring an outsider would have said I was recovered: I had gained 20 lbs and was 146 which is small but "normal range." I still did not have a healthy relationship with food however, which is why I came careening all the way back down to where I am now.

From what I've read D seems to be well on his way though and is a great help to others including myself.

Your side note: I'm pretty confident he is seeing some one and has been for a while

Precisely.

And that is good he is seeing someone. I believe that everyone needs someone to talk to on a professional level, at least a little, in order to fully recover. I have never really met anyone who recovered 100% without a little shrinkin'.

[Scooter4]

Precisely.

And that is good he is seeing someone. I believe that everyone needs someone to talk to on a professional level, at least a little, in order to fully recover. I have never really met anyone who recovered 100% without a little shrinkin'.

Personally, I don't think anyone with an ED ever recovers 100%. There are always going to be unnecessary thoughts that go in that person's head. It is all about overcoming those thoughts and doing what you know is right.

[determined4000]

Haters gona hate
Doubters gona doubt
But Fighters never quit!

Weakling? Hypocrit? Failure?
Call me what you like.


Tell me what I am doing wrong, I'll do it right

Tell me I am spinning wheels, so Ill keep pushing forward

Tell me I am falling down, So that I'll keep getting up.

Tell me I am starving myself, So that I will keep feeding that hunger.

Telling me I am throwing in the towel, So that I never stop fighting

Please, tell me what I can't do. Because I can.


You may not agree with the way I go about things. Eating "clean". I frankly don't care. I understand nutrition as well as anyone on these boards (save a few mods, even Dan"thedoubter"themanB will tell you that). I understand thermodynamics, calories in vs calories out. I eat the foods I do because I want what is best for my body, I enjoy eating them, and feel better doing so. I ate crap growing up and looked like crap and felt like crap. I have tried going back to that and experienced the same thing.

Whether its reality or my own perception, my perception of how I feel is my reality. I don't hate on dirty bulkers, so don't hate on me. Don't look at my food choices and say I am doing it wrong because I don't eat Ben and Jerry's or throw candy in my proats. Sure I could give into the peer pressure and do it because its popular, its what everyone else does, its what you all would probably prefer to see. But frankly, I pride myself n my mental toughness. I have never given into peer pressure. Never.

I am 23 years old. I have never touched tobacco, alcohol, drugs. Don't need them. Don't want them.
I am religious. May not be popular. I am not afraid to say it.
I a 23 years old and I have never cursed or sworn.
I am 23 years old and never had sex. Why? Because I don't believe in pre-marital sex. Laugh at me. Listen. I dont care.
I am 23 years old and I don't wear the trendiest clothes. I wear what I find comfortable, even if its not trendy.
I am 23 years old and I may not have a large group of friends because of all these decisions I make. I don't care. It may subject me to ridicule, it may make for some lonely weekends, and it certainly hasn't been easy. But I will continue moving forward.



My diet, my lifting, my progress, is no different than any other part of my life. Maybe some day I will want to eat other types of things. But for today, I am focused on today. No one is guaranteed tomorrow.
So don't condemn me for my choices from being different than yours, because I don't condemn you for making the opposite choices.
On second thought,

Tell me what I am doing wrong, I'll do it right

Tell me I am spinning wheels, so Ill keep pushing forward

Tell me I am falling down, So that I'll keep getting up.

Tell me I am starving myself, So that I will keep feeding that hunger.

Telling me I am throwing in the towel, So that I never stop fighting

Please, tell me what I can't do. Because I can.

You don't know me, no one on here does. You may think you know me or someone like me but you don't. You don't know my situation growing up. You know what I tell you and nothing else. I choose to keep things private because I chose to keep everything to myself, not just on this site but in all my life dealings. There is only one person who knows as much as my name and where my current address is (and no its not N. Smithfield). And even that person just found out in the last week. He knows who he is and I trust he will keep that private.

I have been through hospitalizations, solitary living units, living in a psych ward (because thats where a certain hospital put their ED patients) for a month with loons you can't even imagine, had organ systems shut down, a heart rate below 30, a BMI below 14, half a dozen therapists. I am not there anymore. I dug myself out of that hole long ago. Maybe you will read about it some day. I have hundreds of pages written already.

You may think I lack progress. I dont care. I am getting better and will continue to do so. You can tell me I am not. I dont care I dont care what you think. I log because it helps me and some say it has helped them. I answer others nutrition questions because I have knowledge of the subject.

I give advice to people with EDs, not because I have overcome everything or think they are weak. They could very well be further along in recovery than me. So call me a hypocrit. I dont care.
I help them because I dont want them to experience what I have experienced. The further you get into an ED, the harder it is to get out. I have experienced just as much as anyone with one, so I can relate to what they are going through. One day with an ED is Hell on Earth. 8-9 years of an ED, well, try to imagine. I don't want to experience another day of it and don't want anyone else to either.

I sometimes chuckle at people thinking they even have an ED, considering the depths of mine. Not saying this for pity because I don't want your sympathy. Pity is what the weak want. I am not weak. I continue to fight.

Weakling? Hypocrit? Failure?
Call me what you like.

Haters gona hate
Doubters gona doubt
But Fighters never quit!

[fitlover]

Amazing post, Determined.

You are an inspiration.



Personally, I don't think anyone with an ED ever recovers 100%. There are always going to be unnecessary thoughts that go in that person's head. It is all about overcoming those thoughts and doing what you know is right.

I don't agree that someone can never recover. But to each his own. :)

[JValjean724]

Amazing post, Determined.

You are an inspiration.


x100

I got the chills while reading that

[determined4000]

Reading back over my post, I just wanted to clarify.
I didn't say what I said because I think my way is the best way.
I said it because I have one life to live and I am not going to waste it, living it the way I think others want me to.

If you have found happiness eating Ben and Jerry's (yes back to that example), then I am happy for you. REALLY, I AM! I am glad you are living a life that makes you happy. If you want to ditch dieting and working out all together because it just brings strain to your life, then I hope you do that. Why torture yourself?

If lifting, hitting PRs, etc., makes you feel a sense of accomplishment, then I am glad for that all the same.

My point is, to do what you do because YOU want to.

[agility2live]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to determined4000 again.

Well said, not many people know what it takes to recover from an ED, it's a mental mind-****.. and I for one believe that one never goes back to normal 100%. all you can do is keep improving, and know that you deserve better.

all that I ask is that you be completely honest with what you post as far as updates, because that's how we can help you. Screw the people who just critisize and be open to those who are there only to help.. it's a slow ride, but it's not impossible to reach.

you're doing fine, just the fact that you recognize the problem is a big step on it's own.

but you already know all this right? ;)

[fitlover]

Reading back over my post, I just wanted to clarify.
I didn't say what I said because I think my way is the best way.
I said it because I have one life to live and I am not going to waste it, living it the way I think others want me to.

If you have found happiness eating Ben and Jerry's (yes back to that example), then I am happy for you. REALLY, I AM! I am glad you are living a life that makes you happy. If you want to ditch dieting and working out all together because it just brings strain to your life, then I hope you do that. Why torture yourself?

If lifting, hitting PRs, etc., makes you feel a sense of accomplishment, then I am glad for that all the same.

My point is, to do what you do because YOU want to.

Eeeeeeexactly!

[Scooter4]

I really admire that post.

[saviorex]

D,

You and I may disagree on a variety of things (personally, give me whiskey and a coke and I'm a happy guy!), but I completely agree with your philosophy otherwise.

Only you know what's right, and the fact that you've mastered your own fears and have had the gall to face whatever problems you've inflicted upon yourself is proof of that.

Stay the course friend.

[watermelon_2001]

I have to say, I personally didn't know the totality of what you've been through. When I consider by comparison what you have faced and what I have faced, it almost makes me ashamed to think that I considered what I've been through to be a struggle. It's a relief to know that you are now no longer in that same place, regardless of where you may be now. To pull yourself up from where you've been shows just how strong a person you are; how much drive you've got, how much more potential you've got. You didn't throw in the towel back then, and you sure as sh*t ain't going to throw it in now- you've shown that you can be at rock bottom and still fight back, and I can't begin to describe the amount of respect that I have for you. To imagine 8 years of living with an ED literally sends chills down my spine, 3 years was bad enough and I've been nowhere near the depths to which you have. As you said in your post, no, I don't know you, but every single fibre of my body is telling me that there is no way you can't not be a guy who has the mental toughness and the sheer determination to face your issues and to be successful. Your past should be the fuel to keep you driving forward, and if the doubts of others contributes to feeding that fire, then let them doubt- all you're going to do is prove them wrong. As with many of the other guys here who have suffered from an ED, you and I are both at different stages of recovery; however, I'm not naive enough to think that I've gone about things the right way, or tried anything which is necessarily any better or any worse that what anyone else has done. If what you are doing is what is right FOR YOU, then who are we to argue, who are we to judge? Akin to the way you live your life, it's different strokes- your way may be different to my way or to someone else's way, but live and let live.

You've got the ability to do this- if my words aren't enough to convince you (which I doubt they would be,) then look at the support you have from others. We believe, and so should you. If ever questions should be raised about a certain method, it's not because we think it's wrong, it's because we so badly want you to overcome this. I don't know what support I personally can offer but all I'll say is that I'm here, not even necessarily as someone for you to come to if you want advice, or as someone to turn to when you're having troubles, but as someone who is willing to give as much encouragement as they can, to help you keep positive and, more importantly, keep on pushing forward.

Keep going D. Today, tomorrow... Just keep pushing.

[DanTheManB]

Haters gona hate
Doubters gona doubt
But Fighters never quit!

Weakling? Hypocrit? Failure?
Call me what you like.


Tell me what I am doing wrong, I'll do it right

Tell me I am spinning wheels, so Ill keep pushing forward

Tell me I am falling down, So that I'll keep getting up.

Tell me I am starving myself, So that I will keep feeding that hunger.

Telling me I am throwing in the towel, So that I never stop fighting

Please, tell me what I can't do. Because I can.


You may not agree with the way I go about things. Eating "clean". I frankly don't care. I understand nutrition as well as anyone on these boards (save a few mods, even Dan"thedoubter"themanB will tell you that). I understand thermodynamics, calories in vs calories out. I eat the foods I do because I want what is best for my body, I enjoy eating them, and feel better doing so. I ate crap growing up and looked like crap and felt like crap. I have tried going back to that and experienced the same thing.

Whether its reality or my own perception, my perception of how I feel is my reality. I don't hate on dirty bulkers, so don't hate on me. Don't look at my food choices and say I am doing it wrong because I don't eat Ben and Jerry's or throw candy in my proats. Sure I could give into the peer pressure and do it because its popular, its what everyone else does, its what you all would probably prefer to see. But frankly, I pride myself n my mental toughness. I have never given into peer pressure. Never.

I am 23 years old. I have never touched tobacco, alcohol, drugs. Don't need them. Don't want them.
I am religious. May not be popular. I am not afraid to say it.
I a 23 years old and I have never cursed or sworn.
I am 23 years old and never had sex. Why? Because I don't believe in pre-marital sex. Laugh at me. Listen. I dont care.
I am 23 years old and I don't wear the trendiest clothes. I wear what I find comfortable, even if its not trendy.
I am 23 years old and I may not have a large group of friends because of all these decisions I make. I don't care. It may subject me to ridicule, it may make for some lonely weekends, and it certainly hasn't been easy. But I will continue moving forward.



My diet, my lifting, my progress, is no different than any other part of my life. Maybe some day I will want to eat other types of things. But for today, I am focused on today. No one is guaranteed tomorrow.
So don't condemn me for my choices from being different than yours, because I don't condemn you for making the opposite choices.
On second thought,

Tell me what I am doing wrong, I'll do it right

Tell me I am spinning wheels, so Ill keep pushing forward

Tell me I am falling down, So that I'll keep getting up.

Tell me I am starving myself, So that I will keep feeding that hunger.

Telling me I am throwing in the towel, So that I never stop fighting

Please, tell me what I can't do. Because I can.

You don't know me, no one on here does. You may think you know me or someone like me but you don't. You don't know my situation growing up. You know what I tell you and nothing else. I choose to keep things private because I chose to keep everything to myself, not just on this site but in all my life dealings. There is only one person who knows as much as my name and where my current address is (and no its not N. Smithfield). And even that person just found out in the last week. He knows who he is and I trust he will keep that private.

I have been through hospitalizations, solitary living units, living in a psych ward (because thats where a certain hospital put their ED patients) for a month with loons you can't even imagine, had organ systems shut down, a heart rate below 30, a BMI below 14, half a dozen therapists. I am not there anymore. I dug myself out of that hole long ago. Maybe you will read about it some day. I have hundreds of pages written already.

You may think I lack progress. I dont care. I am getting better and will continue to do so. You can tell me I am not. I dont care I dont care what you think. I log because it helps me and some say it has helped them. I answer others nutrition questions because I have knowledge of the subject.

I give advice to people with EDs, not because I have overcome everything or think they are weak. They could very well be further along in recovery than me. So call me a hypocrit. I dont care.
I help them because I dont want them to experience what I have experienced. The further you get into an ED, the harder it is to get out. I have experienced just as much as anyone with one, so I can relate to what they are going through. One day with an ED is Hell on Earth. 8-9 years of an ED, well, try to imagine. I don't want to experience another day of it and don't want anyone else to either.

I sometimes chuckle at people thinking they even have an ED, considering the depths of mine. Not saying this for pity because I don't want your sympathy. Pity is what the weak want. I am not weak. I continue to fight.

Weakling? Hypocrit? Failure?
Call me what you like.

Haters gona hate
Doubters gona doubt
But Fighters never quit!

You keep saying such things but um...you've made 0 progress. I just went from 182-206 in FIVE weeks....JUST EAT...why am I a doubter?!?!? doubting WHAT? you have proven ZERO since you began. you KNOW your shiit so start following your own advices

[Woods55]

You keep saying such things but um...you've made 0 progress. I just went from 182-206 in FIVE weeks....JUST EAT...why am I a doubter?!?!? doubting WHAT? you have proven ZERO since you began. you KNOW your shiit so start following your own advices

The pure fact that he hasn't let his previous ED prevent him from working hard and overcoming his own obstacles is progress enough, Hell i wish i could be as dedicated as him and put on some size but im still to scared to over eat since i dropped 35 lbs since last winter.

tho i do have to congradulate you on making those gains in 5 weeks, what kind of routine and diet were you following??

[Woods55]

[QUOTE=determined4000;570044561]Catching up a little bit
Eats:

Pumpkin Muffins

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Thanksgiving2009012.jpg?t=1288545924

Any chance i can get that pumpkin muffin recipe from you
i currently am obsessed with pumkin its so good.
Btw your log is awesome

[Halfnelson]

You keep saying such things but um...you've made 0 progress. I just went from 182-206 in FIVE weeks....JUST EAT...why am I a doubter?!?!? doubting WHAT? you have proven ZERO since you began. you KNOW your shiit so start following your own advices

D4000, I'm going to do the best I can to support you. I really want to. This is not an attack. But I have to agree with DanTheManB. D, I think it is truly an inspiration that you have fought through so much in terms of your mental and physical health. i.e., fighting through an ED, hospitalizations, solitary living units, and living in a psych ward etc. I can't pretend to imagine how difficult these challenges have been, and still are, for you.

But this is a bodybuilding forum D. Or more specifically, a bulking thread. Your bulking thread D.

Please understand, Your philosophical catch-phrases, whilst inspirational, have absolutely no meaning in this context. Why? Because in terms of consistent weight gain, over the course of a year you have made almost zero progress. Furthermore, because your catch-phrases, outlined below, indicate that you are willing to take, accept, and act upon our advice. But you won't.

Or will you??

Here. Look. I'll call you out.


Haters gona hate
Doubters gona doubt
But Fighters never quit!

(1) Weakling? Hypocrit? Failure?
Call me what you like.

(2) Tell me what I am doing wrong, I'll do it right

(3) Tell me I am spinning wheels, so Ill keep pushing forward

(4) Tell me I am falling down, So that I'll keep getting up.

(5) Tell me I am starving myself, So that I will keep feeding that hunger.

(6) Telling me I am throwing in the towel, So that I never stop fighting

(7) Please, tell me what I can't do. Because I can.



(1) You are none of these. We're not attacking you. You are convincing yourself that our well-meaning advice (at least most of it) is a personal attack. And by doing so, you are giving yourself an excuse to completely disregard advice that is probably in your best interest.

(2) You're not eating enough. Eat more. Eat so much that you are consistently gaining weight, so you won't 'slip up' and lose 2 pounds in 2 weeks again...

(3) You are spinning your wheels. In terms of weight gain, you might be pushing, but you're not pushing forward.

(4) You're not falling down. But you're not really 'on the up' either. You will be 'on the up' when you are consistently gaining weight.

(5) I don't know if you are starving yourself, because you don't post daily calorie intakes. But you always seem to find time to post pretty photos of your 'food' instead. Hmm. This a 'bulking thread' D, not a cook book. You lost 2 pounds in 2 weeks on a 'bulk'. You have made almost zero progress in over 9 months. You clearly aren't feeding that hunger. I thought you didn't even feel hunger D?...

(6) You're not throwing in the towel. But you are wasting your time and money.

(7) You can? Really? Do you give me your word D?

I don't think you can take everyone's well-meaning advice and eat more. So you are consistently gaining weight (e.g., .5 pound) every week. With no slips ups.
I don't think you can post honest daily updates of your calorie intake.
I don't think you can post honest weekly updates of your weight.

Your inspirational post is only as inspirational as you make it. Only if you follow through on what you seem to promise.

But will you?

[DanTheManB]

The pure fact that he hasn't let his previous ED prevent him from working hard and overcoming his own obstacles is progress enough, Hell i wish i could be as dedicated as him and put on some size but im still to scared to over eat since i dropped 35 lbs since last winter.

tho i do have to congradulate you on making those gains in 5 weeks, what kind of routine and diet were you following??

lots of food and lots of heavy weights.

He has NOT overcome his obstacles

[DanTheManB]

D4000, I'm going to do the best I can to support you. I really want to. This is not an attack. But I have to agree with DanTheManB. D, I think it is truly an inspiration that you have fought through so much in terms of your mental and physical health. i.e., fighting through an ED, hospitalizations, solitary living units, and living in a psych ward etc. I can't pretend to imagine how difficult these challenges have been, and still are, for you.

But this is a bodybuilding forum D. Or more specifically, a bulking thread. Your bulking thread D.

Please understand, Your philosophical catch-phrases, whilst inspirational, have absolutely no meaning in this context. Why? Because in terms of consistent weight gain, over the course of a year you have made almost zero progress. Furthermore, because your catch-phrases, outlined below, indicate that you are willing to take, accept, and act upon our advice. But you won't.

Or will you??

Here. Look. I'll call you out.



(1) You are none of these. We're not attacking you. You are convincing yourself that our well-meaning advice (at least most of it) is a personal attack. And by doing so, you are giving yourself an excuse to completely disregard advice that is probably in your best interest.

(2) You're not eating enough. Eat more. Eat so much so you are consistently gaining weight, so you won't 'slip up' and lose 2 pounds in 2 weeks again...

(3) You are spinning your wheels. In terms of weight gain, you might be pushing, but you're not pushing forward.

(4) You're not falling down. But you're not really 'on the up' either. You will be 'on the up' when you are consistently gaining weight.

(5) I don't know if you are starving yourself, because you don't post daily calorie intakes. But you always seem to find time to post pretty photos of your 'food' instead. Hmm. This a 'bulking thread' D, not a cook book. You lost 2 pounds in 2 weeks on a 'bulk'. You have made almost zero progress in over 9 months. You clearly aren't feeding that hunger. I thought you didn't even feel hunger D?...

(6) You're not throwing in the towel. But you are wasting your time and money.

(7) You can? Really? Do you give me your word D?

I don't think you can take everyone's well-meaning advice and eat more. So you are consistently gaining weight (e.g., .5 pound) every week. With no slips ups.
I don't think you can post honest daily updates of your calorie intake.
I don't think you can post honest weekly updates of your weight.

Your inspirational post is only as inspirational as you make it. Only if you follow through on what you seem to promise.

But will you?

PERFECT POST.

D, you're an extremely intelligent human. That much is obvious. I take a harsh stance at times cause a kick in the ass is needed and I don't sugar coat things. Read the post I just quoted...read it over and over again and goddammit CHANGE

[Trevor1900]

Vanilla Cottage Cheese ice cream??
W T FACK!?

[AlwaysTryin]

lots of food and lots of heavy weights.

He has NOT overcome his obstacles

Hey Dan just a quick question for you
182-206lbs in 5 weeks = 4.8lbs per week. How much do you really think of that was muscle? Obviously you don't mind the fat gain.

Just curious as I haven't seen your goals etc yet :)

btw D I agree with Dan etc, you should be a machine by now :) a complete animal!! All that knowledge would be put to awesome use in the scheme of things!!

[DanTheManB]

Hey Dan just a quick question for you
182-206lbs in 5 weeks = 4.8lbs per week. How much do you really think of that was muscle? Obviously you don't mind the fat gain.

Just curious as I haven't seen your goals etc yet :)

btw D I agree with Dan etc, you should be a machine by now :) a complete animal!! All that knowledge would be put to awesome use in the scheme of things!!

u see my pics?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=128861291

go there u tell me how much FAT i put on? some yes...comes with the territory

[hankst]

Reading back over my post, I just wanted to clarify.
I didn't say what I said because I think my way is the best way.
I said it because I have one life to live and I am not going to waste it, living it the way I think others want me to.
[...]
My point is, to do what you do because YOU want to.

Until I read that I wanted to respond with "Good for you, but don't be a "holier than thou"-******* now".
Keep going strong and do what makes you happy.

Dan: good physique, but don't hack on people who have had EDs in the past, please. Makes me want to massage your face with a brick. (yes, e-tough guy! :D)

Edit:
just read the responses, and I gotta agree
Eat.
More.
Food!

I know it's very difficult (I am a former fat boy, and I am struggling with this as well), but it's the only way.

[DanTheManB]

Until I read that I wanted to respond with "Good for you, but don't be a "holier than thou"-******* now".
Keep going strong and do what makes you happy.

Dan: good physique, but don't hack on people who have had EDs in the past, please. Makes me want to massage your face with a brick. (yes, e-tough guy! :D)

Edit:
just read the responses, and I gotta agree
Eat.
More.
Food!

I know it's very difficult (I am a former fat boy, and I am struggling with this as well), but it's the only way.

try it you POS

I've HAD anorexia so yes I know where D is coming from. Dont fukin speak without knowing prick...

glad to know you aren't a fatboy anymore. I guess skinny-fat is better than nothing

[hankst]

try it you POS

I've HAD anorexia so yes I know where D is coming from. Dont fukin speak without knowing prick...

glad to know you aren't a fatboy anymore. I guess skinny-fat is better than nothing
How's the juice treating you?

[ian0789]

Oks I think the hate needs to calm down in this log. I FEEL as if its one thing to help give your 2cents but its a bit out of hand how things are turning out.

No one is going to solve anything with trash talking each other! Id like to see this log keep going and not turn into a flame fest / go away as I know I wouldn't feel comfortable posting my updates knowing I am going to walk into a **** storm :/

Edit: Dan that is also some really nice work if you gained that much from eating and training hard!