D4000's Bulk in 2010 [Archive] - Page 4

determined4000

07-20-2010, 02:48 PM

Have had a sweet tooth lately
Some of the latest eats
Cinnamon Maple egg whites PWO
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meats/Picture1021.jpg?t=1279662264

2/3c Candied walnuts (homemade)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1029.jpg?t=1279662371

Kashi go lean in vanilla whey glaze
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture1022.jpg?t=1279662264

Dymatize Fudge Brownie sludge with blended peaches
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1035.jpg?t=1279662376

Hopefully, tastier eats=more food=more energy=better lifts.

tinjuko

07-20-2010, 08:41 PM

Have had a sweet tooth lately
Some of the latest eats
Cinnamon Maple egg whites PWO
[ img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meats/Picture1021.jpg?t=1279662264[/img]

2/3c Candied walnuts (homemade)
[ img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1029.jpg?t=1279662371[/img]

Kashi go lean in vanilla whey glaze
[ img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture1022.jpg?t=1279662264[/img]

Dymatize Fudge Brownie sludge with blended peaches
[ img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1035.jpg?t=1279662376[/img]

Hopefully, tastier eats=more food=more energy=better lifts.

wow...creative mind is creative
i seriously need to be your roommate.

agility2live

07-20-2010, 08:48 PM

so much brown lol.
looks really good though, I'm happy to see that you're updating!

determined4000

07-21-2010, 04:29 PM

so much brown lol.
looks really good though, I'm happy to see that you're updating!

i realized this after looking
could have included some more brown too (steak, PB, chocolate etc)
So many good brown foods

determined4000

07-21-2010, 04:30 PM

Chicken breasts and broccoli with melted Natty
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/MEN156.jpg?t=1279754894

egg white and veggie cheese omelet with side of spinach in EVOO
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/eggwhite-1.jpg?t=1279754884

Trying to get more variety
Succeeding so far

dustinh6719

07-21-2010, 04:35 PM

How is the PB and brocolli combo? Never thought of this...

agility2live

07-21-2010, 04:35 PM

i realized this after looking
could have included some more brown too (steak, PB, chocolate etc)
So many good brown foods

agreed!

determined4000

07-21-2010, 04:43 PM

How is the PB and brocolli combo? Never thought of this...

well I like broccoli and love PB, so good in my book. :)

I just put a few tbsp of PB in a little bowl, a dash of water (so it doesnt dry out when heating), a few dashes of cinnamon and stir. Spoon it on the steamed broccoli and heat again for a minute or so.
Better than adding butter in terms of taste and health.

dustinh6719

07-21-2010, 05:54 PM

well I like broccoli and love PB, so good in my book. :)

I just put a few tbsp of PB in a little bowl, a dash of water (so it doesnt dry out when heating), a few dashes of cinnamon and stir. Spoon it on the steamed broccoli and heat again for a minute or so.
Better than adding butter in terms of taste and health.

Awesome man. wiil give this a try. thx

Tommy510

07-22-2010, 09:32 AM

determined4000

07-22-2010, 02:50 PM

Hey D you're back loggin again!

Quick question for you about cholesterol; so if my HDL is higher than my LDL, then no matter what my LDL # is, i shouldn't be worried about cholesterol being dangerous right? thanks in advance

That isn't my understanding.
I have seen the "ideal" ratio of total cholesterol to HDL as 3.5/1.
I have a very hard time believing your HDL is actually higher than LDL.
Ideal LDL/HDL is 3.3-4.4, the higher the worse (over 4.4 -->riskier).

determined4000

07-22-2010, 05:29 PM

Had a nice leg/ab workout today
Leg extensions x5
squats x 5
finished off with frog suats (and behind head,jump up and down as high as you can x 12 x 5)
then went into the abs with 500 leg lifts, 1 minute nonstop situps and plank for 5 minutes

For some eats

2 massive breasts of chicken

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1007.jpg?t=1279844536

chocolate oats and cottage cheese
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture998.jpg?t=1279844536

1 head of cauliflower
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture997.jpg?t=1279844729

kashi
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture979.jpg

snacked on some candied walnuts troughout the night, as the other eats were fairly filling.

Tommy510

07-22-2010, 06:00 PM

That isn't my understanding.
I have seen the "ideal" ratio of total cholesterol to HDL as 3.5/1.
I have a very hard time believing your HDL is actually higher than LDL.
Ideal LDL/HDL is 3.3-4.4, the higher the worse (over 4.4 -->riskier).

My bad D; its not really "my" cholesterol level. just an example. So pretty much HDL can never be higher than your LDL, but the closer the ratio the better?

agility2live

07-22-2010, 06:05 PM

the only variety you need is color ;) hahah. is the kashi with regular or almond milk? I haven't tried it yet.. plan on it soon though seeing how so many people are a fan of kashi.

determined4000

07-22-2010, 06:08 PM

the only variety you need is color ;) hahah. is the kashi with regular or almond milk? I haven't tried it yet.. plan on it soon though seeing how so many people are a fan of kashi.

Neither
I dont drink milk
Cake batter whey (mmmmmmmm)

determined4000

07-22-2010, 06:09 PM

My bad D; its not really "my" cholesterol level. just an example. So pretty much HDL can never be higher than your LDL, but the closer the ratio the better?

yes
but if the ratio is 10/1 LDL to HDL, instead of 12:1, that doesnt mean it is good
It just means it is not as bad

agility2live

07-22-2010, 06:32 PM

Neither
I dont drink milk
Cake batter whey (mmmmmmmm)

ahhh ok!

EmperorRyker

07-23-2010, 02:02 AM

My bad D; its not really "my" cholesterol level. just an example. So pretty much HDL can never be higher than your LDL, but the closer the ratio the better?
No, that is absolutely untrue. HDL can absolutely be higher than LDL, I don't know where people get the idea that it can't. I had a test done just two months ago, and my HDL (2.9 mmol/L) was in fact higher than LDL (2.7 mmol/L). I hoped for a better ratio even, if anything. Plus, I have never stumbled upon a scientific explanation supporting assertions that I am thereby somehow superhuman. Unless, of course, tests done in North America differ from those in Europe in terms of results (I don't really see how this could be true, though).

Tommy510

07-23-2010, 02:17 PM

yes
but if the ratio is 10/1 LDL to HDL, instead of 12:1, that doesnt mean it is good
It just means it is not as bad

ohh ic. Alright thanks D, always good info

determined4000

07-23-2010, 05:34 PM

So who has been posting here? Thanks everyone who has been chiming in and lending support and constructive criticism.
Double digit posters thus far.

determined4000 290
Insight 33
PBateman2 26
Emma-Leigh 26
MJFan1 24
xcitex 23
GlobalConflict 21
jakedasn4ke 17
DanTheManB 17
On Fire 17
Scooter4 17
Holyspokes 13
recovering 13
Alluminum 11
RyouBakua 10

extremewon

07-23-2010, 05:50 PM

Subbed:)

Manu said this thread is epic. Great info!

Scooter4

07-23-2010, 07:59 PM

Emma-Leigh

07-23-2010, 08:07 PM

That isn't my understanding.
I have seen the "ideal" ratio of total cholesterol to HDL as 3.5/1.
I have a very hard time believing your HDL is actually higher than LDL.
Ideal LDL/HDL is 3.3-4.4, the higher the worse (over 4.4 -->riskier).
Ermmm.... Bad advice here D. Be careful about giving this sort of info out when you are not *all* that up to date on things.

First: There is no 'ideal' ratio of TOTAL: HDL
Second: There is no 'ideal' LDL: HDL, and even if there was, it certainly isn't IDEAL that LDL is that much much higher than HDL.

HDL = GOOD cholesterol.
LDL = BAD cholesterol.

And, lastly -> yes, you CAN make it happen that HDL > LDL:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa164/EmmLeigh/sc00128d7f.jpg

My bad D; its not really "my" cholesterol level. just an example. So pretty much HDL can never be higher than your LDL, but the closer the ratio the better?
See above.

No, that is absolutely untrue. HDL can absolutely be higher than LDL, I don't know where people get the idea that it can't. I had a test done just two months ago, and my HDL (2.9 mmol/L) was in fact higher than LDL (2.7 mmol/L). I hoped for a better ratio even, if anything. Plus, I have never stumbled upon a scientific explanation supporting assertions that I am thereby somehow superhuman. Unless, of course, tests done in North America differ from those in Europe in terms of results (I don't really see how this could be true, though).
^
this.

determined4000

07-23-2010, 08:12 PM

Ermmm.... Bad advice here D. Be careful about giving this sort of info out when you are not *all* that up to date on things.

First: There is no 'ideal' ratio of TOTAL: HDL
Second: There is no 'ideal' LDL: HDL, and even if there was, it certainly isn't IDEAL that LDL is that much much higher than HDL.

HDL = GOOD cholesterol.
LDL = BAD cholesterol.

And, lastly -> yes, you CAN make it happen that HDL > LDL:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa164/EmmLeigh/sc00128d7f.jpg

See above.

^
this.

thanks.
the info I had basically was saying those ratios kept you out of the "risk" category
What would you say are good numbers for cholesterol then? Those listed on the lab sheet?

Emma-Leigh

07-23-2010, 08:12 PM

You counted? ;)

I may not have posted a lot lately, but I always read.
Or... you know... clicked the funky forum tool does it for you. ;)

determined4000

07-23-2010, 08:15 PM

You counted? ;)

I may not have posted a lot lately, but I always read.

Don't be shy

And what Emma said

Emma-Leigh

07-23-2010, 08:28 PM

thanks.
the info I had basically was saying those ratios kept you out of the "risk" category
What would you say are good numbers for cholesterol then? Those listed on the lab sheet?
Lab values are variable depending on the lab and how it is measured. And realistic reference ranges are also going to be different male v's female (oestrogen is protective), age, race and a lot of other variables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_ranges_for_blood_tests
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/features/ref_ranges-5.html

Ideal also depends on what risk factors you have, and your desired outcome. For example, those with Diabetes or those with a strong family history of heart or cardiovascular disease want really tight control of cholesterol - they have increased RISKS.... Those young, fit, healthy individuals with NO complications/ family history could get away with a little more.

Anyway - BROADLY speaking:
TOTAL cholesterol you want lower than 5 to 5.5 [with values closer to 3.5 or 4 in those at risk]. I think this is LESS than 200mg/dL in the old system....

To further decrease risk of vascular disease/ cardiac events, aim to push HDL > ~1 (which is about 60 mg/dL). with values greater than 1.5 being better.

LDL you IDEALLY want down below 3 (120mg/dL ish).

Emma-Leigh

07-23-2010, 08:33 PM

ps - just googled a funky reference here:
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/cholesterol/atglance.pdf

Full reference here: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/cholesterol/atglance.pdf

determined4000

07-23-2010, 08:50 PM

Lab values are variable depending on the lab and how it is measured. And realistic reference ranges are also going to be different male v's female (oestrogen is protective), age, race and a lot of other variables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_ranges_for_blood_tests
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/features/ref_ranges-5.html

Ideal also depends on what risk factors you have, and your desired outcome. For example, those with Diabetes or those with a strong family history of heart or cardiovascular disease want really tight control of cholesterol - they have increased RISKS.... Those young, fit, healthy individuals with NO complications/ family history could get away with a little more.

Anyway - BROADLY speaking:
TOTAL cholesterol you want lower than 5 to 5.5 [with values closer to 3.5 or 4 in those at risk]. I think this is LESS than 200mg/dL in the old system....

To further decrease risk of vascular disease/ cardiac events, aim to push HDL > ~1 (which is about 60 mg/dL). with values greater than 1.5 being better.

LDL you IDEALLY want down below 3 (120mg/dL ish).

so it still is more common for LDL to be higher, correct?
What's your "trick"?

Scooter4

07-23-2010, 08:53 PM

Or... you know... clicked the funky forum tool does it for you. ;)

I figured there was probably a feature like that. :rolleyes:

GlobalConflict

07-23-2010, 10:31 PM

wow.. you eat cereal with whey, i always found that my cereal got soaked too quick and got soggy.

and yes kashi is the best. probably one of my favorite cereals, especially the kashi go lean, its the perfect cereal for granola subsitute

determined4000

07-23-2010, 11:08 PM

wow.. you eat cereal with whey, i always found that my cereal got soaked too quick and got soggy.

and this doesnt happen with milk?
I also frequently do it as a glaze, using little water and make the whey into a sryup like consistency and pour it over, freeze, and it forms a glaze

EmperorRyker

07-24-2010, 06:35 AM

^
this.
Hey, Emma, since we're on the topic of cholesterol I've got a quick question for you (if you happen to find the time to answer). How do the numbers I posted look to you (HDL 2,9 and LDL 2,7)? LDL is still in the suggested range, but since HDL is that much higher, my total cholesterol is slightly above. Should I be worried?

GlobalConflict

07-24-2010, 04:12 PM

and this doesnt happen with milk?
I also frequently do it as a glaze, using little water and make the whey into a sryup like consistency and pour it over, freeze, and it forms a glaze

hahaha well milk makes it soggy, but not as fast, i found its because water just makes it soggy, where as milk wont penetrate as easy since its thicker?

jkliveng

07-24-2010, 05:41 PM

determined4000

07-24-2010, 06:15 PM

just read the thread, subbed.

congrats on progress and look forward to more when you aren't too busy!

Question about your deals: how often do you shop? just been getting lucky or do you keep an eye out often?

thanks for following and the kind words
I def. will be trying to update more often and will really follow through with everything in a month of so.

about the deals...
Unfotunately this is part of my OCDness. I am trying to break out of my obsession over how much money I spend on my food. But I do always find good deals because there are a lot of places close to me.
There are 3 regular grocery stores that I will check the weekly circular for to see whats on sale (you can check online). Generally stuff goes on sale in cycles. Like every 3 weeks each store seems to have their sale on meat X, cereal X, etc. You can almost mark it on the calendar.
I have a SAM's club membership where you can get lots of things in bulk cheap.

And there is a grocery store near where my parents live that is sort of a low-budget, discount grocery chain. No frills. No deli, bakery, etc and is set up more like a warehouse/Sam's club. I hit this place up everytime I visit them because there prices are ridiculous (1.67/lb for CC, 1.00/lb frozen veggies, 1.00/dozen XL eggs, 1.69-1.99/lb for chicken, practically give oats away, etc). Plus I have by making a lot of my own things (flour, eggs instead of buying breads or other baked goods).

Then I check a few places online to see when different proteins go on sale (don't do shakes but whey is a very cheap, versatile, tasty protein source I use for pancakes, brownies, proatmeal, ice cream).

SO I pretty much never pay for anything at regular/full price.

I see you are 20. If you are in college and have a meal plan, take advantage of the all-you-can eat mess halls. Meat and produce are always the most expensive items in you grocery bill (PB, nuts, oats, potatoes, beans, eggs etc are all dirt cheap), so I would load up on my meat and veggies at those times, plus bring ziploc bags in my backpack and fill them up for my dorm (:)). No one ever said anything about the number of plates of food I would fill up and I am a little guy. I made friends with the chef's who cooked the grilled chicken to always have some ready for me and the women at a sandwich station who would just give me about 1/2lb turkey breast every meal.

But for the most part I find you can eat healthiest and cheaply by just not buying packaged food. I literally hardly ever go down an aisle at a grocery store. Shop the perimeter. Only thing I might get is oats, dry beans, spices, PB. Other than that, all your produce, meat, bread, dairy, etc are all on the perimeter of the store.

Frequency- Normally buy in bulk at the discount place every 3 weeks or so (or Sams) for all non-perishables and some meat and frozen veg. Stop at a regular store 1-2times in between if I need/want fresh meat/veg. Order stuff online (my carbquik/carbalose and protein) every 6-8 weeks.

jkliveng

07-24-2010, 06:27 PM

determined4000

07-24-2010, 06:35 PM

thanks :)

I was asking mostly because this is the first year I will be away from the cafeteria! I have most everything figured out, but I know it will be super different at first. I will have to start studying the market and see how it works, I am all for buying bulk like you do and freezing things and what not.

Now I just need to learn good pricing, I may keep a little chart for a while to compare things to get used to it.

We also have one of those discount stores close to campus so that will be great for eggs and meats.

thanks again! and nice to meet you

Should be able to find chicken (1.99 or less) tuna (.75 or less), veggies 1.20/lb or less (fresh or frozen), cottage cheese (2.00 or less), occasional steaks (top round 1.99-2.50/lb).
When buying protein, dont just look at the price, look at the macros. Figure out how much protein per $ you are getting. Something like MGN is twice as cheap as myofusion when you take this into account.
After that natty pb, eggs, and most of your carbs in bulk are going to be dirt cheap.
Dont buy into things like protein bars. They are twice as expensive and filled with crap (sugar, sat fats, preservatives, additives) that you don't need. They are basically glorified candy bars.

Hope to see you visiting often.

Also, how is UNC. Was looking at their Econ PhD program.

stuntriderrr

07-24-2010, 06:38 PM

Should be able to find chicken (1.99 or less) tuna (.75 or less), veggies 1.20/lb or less (fresh or frozen), cottage cheese (2.00 or less), occasional steaks (top round 1.99-2.50/lb).
When buying protein, dont just look at the price, look at the macros. Figure out how much protein per $ you are getting. Something like MGN is twice as cheap as myofusion when you take this into account.
After that natty pb, eggs, and most of your carbs in bulk are going to be dirt cheap.
Dont buy into things like protein bars. They are twice as expensive and filled with crap (sugar, sat fats, preservatives, additives) that you don't need. They are basically glorified candy bars.

Hope to see you visiting often.

what about the 311 bars?

determined4000

07-24-2010, 06:51 PM

what about the 311 bars?

eat whatever you can get your hands on for now
I know you still really arent 110 (up to 90 yet?). You need to eat to stay alive.
Please get some professional help. Get off the drugs. You can still get your life back.

stuntriderrr

07-24-2010, 06:56 PM

eat whatever you can get your hands on for now
I know you still really arent 110 (up to 90 yet?). You need to eat to stay alive.
Please get some professional help. Get off the drugs. You can still get your life back.

ok smarty i was just asking a simple ?in and yea i am getting better..man..nevermind peace

determined4000

07-24-2010, 06:59 PM

ok smarty i was just asking a simple ?in and yea i am getting better..man..nevermind peace

I am not trying to be smart.
YOu seriously need help.
Anyone who cares about your well-being would say the same thing.

GlobalConflict

07-24-2010, 07:29 PM

i agree with you d... sorry stunt but 110 lbs, i would blow away and im not one to talk either!!!

determined4000

07-24-2010, 07:39 PM

i agree with you d... sorry stunt but 110 lbs, i would blow away and im not one to talk either!!!

sadly he is not 110. He listed that so people would stop hassling him. The more important thing is he needs help. With his ED and other stuff (that prevents him from addressing his ED). There isnt anything anyone can do for him on this forum. Just encourage him to get help and let him know it can get better.

determined4000

07-24-2010, 07:48 PM

DTrulez616

07-24-2010, 07:49 PM

You forgot the biggest one, BnJ. I bet its gonna be Burger creations.

Fututre117

07-24-2010, 08:16 PM

i say omlets

dustinh6719

07-24-2010, 08:17 PM

Has anyone else noticed how the MEN thread seems to run in cycles.
First everyone was doing pancakes
then everyone was doing proats
now sushi is big (which I hate)
Reps to anyone who can guess what the next big thing will be.

kinda newish' to the forums but have lurked through MEN X from the start. I agree with the sushi, and everything is so 'refined' now haha if it aint a $100+ dollar meal at a 5 star restaurant its a perfectly seared filet mignon. Seems like steaks pretty popular too right now, but imma guess baked goods(just a shot in the dark).

Emma-Leigh

07-25-2010, 02:15 AM

so it still is more common for LDL to be higher, correct?
What's your "trick"?
1/ yes. but, once again, not ideal. similar to saying 'it is still more common for people to be fat'... ;)
2/ trick? you should now by now that there is no 'trick' to anything.
For me - strict diet, good exercise, and oestrogen have done the trick. ;)

Overall - to LOWER total or LDL cholesterol:
Exercise
Don't smoke
Don't drink
Eat a LOWER calorie, HIGHER fiber diet with lots of vegetables
^ especially get enough SOLUBLE fiber (eg: barley very good, so is oatbran)
Poly-unsaturated fats / Essential Fatty Acids (krill oil and fish oils are esp good)
Garlic

To INCREASE HDL:
Exercise
Don't smoke
Drink a little red wine each day
Increase mono-unsaturated fats (olive oil, avocado)
Get enough Oestrogen ( :p )
Then... if you want ->> Niacin helps boost HDL too

Hey, Emma, since we're on the topic of cholesterol I've got a quick question for you (if you happen to find the time to answer). How do the numbers I posted look to you (HDL 2,9 and LDL 2,7)? LDL is still in the suggested range, but since HDL is that much higher, my total cholesterol is slightly above. Should I be worried?
^
Your levels are pretty good. :) I wouldn't get too stressed (esp if young/ active/ no risk factors). With your HDL actually being HIGHER than LDL you're doing pretty darn well overall.

If you want to try to lower that LDL a little ->> ensure your trans-fat intake is low and your saturated fat /total cholesterol intake is not extreme (<< don't obsess, especially in the case of eggs and seafood, but just don't sit down and eat a bucket of butter a change ;) )... up your fiber (esp soluble fiber), and look to get some krill oil (better than fish oil).

If that is still not enough ->> possibly consider looking into sources of plant sterols to help soak up the LDL you do have floating around (found in some 'formulated' foods eg: spreads).

EmperorRyker

07-25-2010, 02:28 AM

^
Your levels are pretty good. :) I wouldn't get too stressed (esp if young/ active/ no risk factors). With your HDL actually being HIGHER than LDL you're doing pretty darn well overall.

If you want to try to lower that LDL a little ->> ensure your total cholesterol intake is not extreme (<< don't obsess, but if you eat 14 eggs a day consider a change ;) )... up your fiber (esp soluble fiber), and look to get some krill oil (better than fish oil).

If that is still not enough ->> possibly consider looking into sources of plant sterols to help soak up the LDL you do have floating around (found in some 'formulated' foods eg: spreads).
Thanks a lot for the tips! I wasn't overly worried with my LDL levels, but just wanted to get a second opinion on this (my doctor said the levels are cool, as well). As for your suggestions, I guess I'm trying to get as much fiber as I can as it is, and it's hard for me to eat even more vegetables due to costs (I eat a kg a day roughly and that's already a lot of money spent on that alone). My other carb sources are also predominantly whole-wheat, so I guess unless I supplement I'm doing all that's in my power to get the fiber I need :) I don't use fish oil, though, I just take 2 omega-3 caps a day, and that's it. I do try to eat fish once a day, though, be it canned tuna, canned salmon, "fresh" salmon, anchovies or trout.

hrdgain3r89

07-29-2010, 06:24 AM

Im gonna go with Stir-Fry-esque dishes on the MEN thread...
determined we definitely make ALOT of the same dishes throughout the day it seems and to follow up on the soggy cereal debate i literally just finished a new concoction and it was superb.
-1/4 cup oats, 1 cup Kashi GoLean, 1/2 cup 1% milk, cinnamon and Splenda to taste
It was just thick enough to hold the cereal together almost like a melty brittle texture yet wet enough to spoon like you would regular oats...NOM...
On a more serious note I commend you on making such a turnaround with your eating habits and changed in your activity level. It reminds me so much of how i was only a few short months ago. I was running my a** off every day and barely netting 2000 cals daily. I was down to 135 pounds at 5"11' which isnt as extreme as some but it was definitely looking scary and unhealthy. Glad to see w can all make the right changes and have the dedication to put on the weight knowing were commited enough to put in the work to turn it into hard-earned muscle =)
Im also posting a bulk log myself, please critique D if you feel so inclined..repped.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=126260573

determined4000

08-22-2010, 03:22 PM

Alright so with Ryan's log being shut down (temporarily) and my time getting more freed up (1 more work week left), I will be resuming my bulk and logging.

The bad: I have been working long hours with a long commute this summer and had to majorly dial down my workout shedule and thus, decided to temporarily stop bulking because I didnt feel as though I would be doing it properly. Since I also cut cardio waayyy back, my intake was lessened. I think I may have dropped it too much, because I have lost a couple lbs and some strength :(.

The good: I am really excited to get bulking again and having some fun eating :). I really struggled with my ED for 8 years before things got better last spring. I still fight thoughts but am more equipped to override them now (as you have seen). My biggest problem is when I have to go without lifting and working out (like this summer). But this fall I will have a lot more time on my hands (last semester in school) and am amped to pack on some muscle.
I have been inspired by seeing some of my BB.com buds like Ryan, who has clearly put it past him, those who are in the midst of overcoming (Ian) and others just beginning to overcome their problems(Eriktheelectric- yes he is if you guys haven't seen).
I have also been able to losen things up as far as my OCD tendencies around macros. I really have no reason to count, because the way I eat and the amount I need to gain weight, I more than easily meet minimum macro requirements.

The plan: I will continue to not count macros. It is not good for me mentally. I am actually still tracking them with excel but in a way where I don't have to view them if I dont want to. My focus is just to keep eating more to regain what I lost and then keep going.
I will continue to eat a mainly "clean" diet but will try to branch out more and give myself more freedoms/liberties, as well as try some different foods.
I will continue IFing but plan on expanding my eating window from 5-6hours to 7 or maybe even 8. Lots of times on weekends, however, I do not follow it because I am with friends and family.

My workouts will be an adapted starting strength routine. Two main workouts centered around compound lifts.
1- Squats, bench/incline, rows, auxillary tris
2- Deadlifts, shoulder/overhead/military press, weighted pullups, auxillary bis
Spot ab work here and there
For cardio I will be trading in a lot of my running for biking, because I enjoy it more.
My intake will largely be dictated based on how much biking I do (and change or lack thereof in weight)

I may not update everyday and may re-use pics for convenience. Most posting will consist of the days workout and some pics. Maybe some tidibts on whats going on in life. I also may be writing nutrition articles for a website (stay tuned).

As always if anyone needs advice on dealing with EDs or nutrition, feel free to ask them here or PM me. I am more than happy to help. I have been through it all and more, so anything you may be dealing with I have probably dealt with at some point along my long journey.

dustinh6719

08-22-2010, 03:31 PM

Subd. Looking forward to it bro.

ian0789

08-22-2010, 03:38 PM

WoW I'm very happy to see this post bro! I always check my bookmark to your log hopping you start it up again =)

Looking forward for the posts to come rolling in!

determined4000

08-22-2010, 03:57 PM

My food will consist of
protein:
chicken breast
eggs/whites
steak/tuna (used once a weekish)
MGN/ dymatize whey
ON casein/dymatize 12 hour
Cottage cheese

fats: PB (Teddie's Natural, smooth)
almonds
walnuts
veggie cheese
carbquik
eggs
peanut flour
flaxmeal
EVOO

carbs:
veggies
fruit
wraps
kashi, special K
oats
whole wheat flour
beans

beverages:
water
coffee
green tea
Diet Mtn dew

Main spices/adders of choice:
garlic, onion powder, smoked paprika, mrs. dash, cayenne, Cajun seasoning, creole seasoning, cinnamon, ginger, allspice, ground mustard, Frank's hot sauce, Frank's buffalo, cocoa powder, apple cider vinegar

Supps:
Hard work

Maybe forgetting something. Will edit if need be.

agility2live

08-22-2010, 04:12 PM

hey I'll follow! looks like a good plan you got going too.

also, I tried the whey in almond milk + kashi cereal and it was pretty fantastic.

determined4000

08-22-2010, 04:14 PM

hey I'll follow! looks like a good plan you got going too.

also, I tried the whey in almond milk + kashi cereal and it was pretty fantastic.

glad you liked
cereal n whey FTW

ian0789

08-22-2010, 04:38 PM

glad you liked
cereal n whey FTW

Mhhh its the truth!

Fututre117

08-22-2010, 04:42 PM

ill be following along D lets get back to work in the gym man.

ErikTheElectric

08-22-2010, 06:08 PM

Can't wait too see the awesome food p0rn D!

I'm in!

TitanFB11

08-22-2010, 06:27 PM

in for epic food porn and massive weight loads being tossed around.

i love following logs of ppl who overcame eds, truly motivating not just for ppl who currently are dealing with one either.

let ppl know how far will power and determination will get you!

(erik your gettin their too)

Flyin Ryan

08-22-2010, 06:37 PM

In for this one (again). =P

Best of luck to you, my dude.
As long as you want it, you got it.

God, with all these logs popping up, it's making me miss mine a little bit.

determined4000

08-22-2010, 06:56 PM

ill be following along D lets get back to work in the gym man.
Definetly looking forward to lifting hard again

Can't wait too see the awesome food p0rn D!

I'm in!

well my presentation may not be up with the best of them
But my food is tasty and thats all I care about
:)

in for epic food porn and massive weight loads being tossed around.

i love following logs of ppl who overcame eds, truly motivating not just for ppl who currently are dealing with one either.

let ppl know how far will power and determination will get you!

putting something in my sig about this
(others feel free to join)

In for this one (again). =P

Best of luck to you, my dude.
As long as you want it, you got it.

God, with all these logs popping up, it's making me miss mine a little bit.

u know you wont be able to stay away for long

ian0789

08-22-2010, 07:02 PM

Its only a matter of time before he gets sucked back into it!

ErikTheElectric

08-22-2010, 08:03 PM

determined4000

08-23-2010, 03:34 AM

Day 1:
Man its tough seeing my lifts this low but I gota start back from somewhere
Workout #2
squats 160x10 170x7 180x6 180x6 180x6
bench 110x12 110x12 110x12x3
uprightrows 70x6 70x6 80x5 80x5
incline 120x12 120x12 120x12
brows 40x12 40x12 40x12
decline 30x90 30x90

Well at least I am back and getting in the swing of things. Hopefully will see these numbers going up soon.

Eats

2 Chicken Breasts (garlic and onion with EVOO) and 1lb broccoli
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture1081.jpg?t=1282559214

Strawberry Protein Pancakes (yes they make their return)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1078.jpg?t=1282559214

Special K in Cake Batter whey
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1047.jpg?t=1282559308

Candied Walnuts
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1030.jpg?t=1282559393

Pumpkin Muffin
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/ChunckyBananaBreadwithWalnutsandGol.jpg?t=12825594 54

All in all a good day of eats. Biked about 7+miles yesterday. Tomorrow will be an off day for cardio because I have another long work day ahead but I will resume with workout 1. Eats to follow. Last Monday for work. Cant wait to be done :)

ian0789

08-23-2010, 03:37 AM

Yay! nice to see the log back, sooner then I expected it to be. Nice read before I head out to work!

Lifts will be back up to normal in no time!

AutoPilotFrankV

08-23-2010, 05:44 AM

In to support you man, I am bulking now recovering from ED, and moving to school last week in Florida from Rhode Island has been a major help seems I have left my ED in RI. Good luck, I guess you are picking up were Ryan left off??? Loved lurking in his thread and seeing his crazy burgers and massive oats!

DavyGrolton

08-23-2010, 07:26 AM

Hey Determined how much do you weigh ATM?

watermelon_2001

08-23-2010, 08:24 AM

I've been checking in here over the past couple of months, and I'm now officially subscribed. I really want to see you succeed and overcome your E.D, especially after such a long period of struggling with it. You've my full support here, good luck man.

hankst

08-23-2010, 08:37 AM

In for this, man. I'm excited to see you overcome your ED once and for all, broseph.

Fututre117

08-23-2010, 09:05 AM

well at least you got back in the gym and hit it hard man. youll be back in the swing of things in no time. squats are still looking pretty solid. keep it up, and i know your busy but try and keep updating so we can keep you motivated to finally overcome the ED.

agility2live

08-23-2010, 10:52 AM

I love pumpkin! great start.

Scooter4

08-23-2010, 11:08 AM

Subbered.

RpplesonFrmiSea

08-23-2010, 11:18 AM

Been waiting for a comeback on this. Subbed; keep it up man, get that momentum going again ^_^

Cheap5.0

08-23-2010, 11:30 AM

robkwan

08-23-2010, 03:13 PM

hey wassup! thought id return the interest uve shown (about time i no) anyways:
is special K good cereal. does it have loads of sugar? just wonderin.....

determined4000

08-23-2010, 03:22 PM

Yay! nice to see the log back, sooner then I expected it to be. Nice read before I head out to work!

Lifts will be back up to normal in no time!
thanks for the encouragement man

In to support you man, I am bulking now recovering from ED, and moving to school last week in Florida from Rhode Island has been a major help seems I have left my ED in RI. Good luck, I guess you are picking up were Ryan left off??? Loved lurking in his thread and seeing his crazy burgers and massive oats!

where you from in RI? Im from MA and live in RI now.

I've been checking in here over the past couple of months, and I'm now officially subscribed. I really want to see you succeed and overcome your E.D, especially after such a long period of struggling with it. You've my full support here, good luck man.

Saw your transformation
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=126847473
nice work

In for this, man. I'm excited to see you overcome your ED once and for all, broseph.

thats the plan man

well at least you got back in the gym and hit it hard man. youll be back in the swing of things in no time. squats are still looking pretty solid. keep it up, and i know your busy but try and keep updating so we can keep you motivated to finally overcome the ED.

Counting down the days. ONLY FOUR LEFT!

I love pumpkin! great start.

Me too. Love the canned stuff. Then add extra cinnamon, ginger and allspice.

Subbered.

sup scoot

Been waiting for a comeback on this. Subbed; keep it up man, get that momentum going again ^_^

The ball is rollin'

hey wassup! thought id return the interest uve shown (about time i no) anyways:
is special K good cereal. does it have loads of sugar? just wonderin.....

Nutrition facts

Serving Size 3/4 cup
Amount per serving
Calories 100 Calories from Fat 30
Hide Daily Values % Daily Value*
Total Fat 3g 5%
Saturated Fat 0.5g 2%
Cholesterol
0mg 0%
Sodium 110mg 5%
Total Carbohydrates 14g 5%
Dietary Fiber 5g
Sugars 2g
Protein 10g

So I'd say no. I hardly eat any packaged products. The only I can think of are my cereals and I stick to this and Kashi varieties. I have a history of hypoglycemia and my family has a history of diabetes, so high sugar doesn't sit well with me.

Check out this guys progress (20+ lbs in 4+ months)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=123723011

AutoPilotFrankV

08-23-2010, 03:26 PM

where you from in RI? Im from MA and live in RI now.

I am from West Warwick, down in FL for little while for college, What part are you in now? What gym are you at?

MJFan1

08-23-2010, 03:28 PM

Subbed!

determined4000

08-23-2010, 03:35 PM

where you from in RI? Im from MA and live in RI now.

I am from West Warwick, down in FL for little while for college, What part are you in now? What gym are you at?

Right now I live in Slatersville (right near North Smithfield)
I workout at my apartment complex and school's gym.

Good luck at school. Study hard, lift heavy, eat big, and ENJOY IT.
I failed the enjoyment part. Don't you look back and have any regrets.

determined4000

08-23-2010, 03:36 PM

Subbed!

was wondering when you'd show up
:)

PBateman2

08-23-2010, 03:56 PM

U know Im subbed!

Too robotic in my eating anyway. Need to fix that.

We trade. You give me good food ideas and I give you workout tips:D

There ya go!

determined4000

08-23-2010, 04:26 PM

We trade. You give me good food ideas and I give you workout tips:D

Is this something new? :)

Everyone should check out this guys log to see how to do it right.

Theenforcer1

08-23-2010, 04:29 PM

D-

Doesn't look like you are eating a lot of food. This along with your weight loss has me worried for you bro.

Taking pictures super close to your food makes it look like there is more than there is, but looking at those pics, if thats all you ate in a day, thats equal to like one of my meals.

determined4000

08-23-2010, 04:48 PM

D-

Doesn't look like you are eating a lot of food. if thats all you ate in a day, thats equal to like one of my meals.

1. Calories will be gradually increasing
2. You shouldnt make judgements on serving size.
Ex. first pic was 14oz chicken, 16oz borccoli, 3tbsp = 940 calories
the walnuts was a half a cup
the pancakes, well lets just say I eat a lot of them (that was one plate of many) and there are many people who can back me up on this...you will see more, trust me (lol)

AutoPilotFrankV

08-23-2010, 04:59 PM

Right now I live in Slatersville (right near North Smithfield)
I workout at my apartment complex and school's gym.

Good luck at school. Study hard, lift heavy, eat big, and ENJOY IT.
I failed the enjoyment part. Don't you look back and have any regrets.

Thanks a lot! Good luck with the bulk! I wanna come to RI for Thanksgiving and show my family I kicked ED's ASS!

Scooter4

08-23-2010, 05:38 PM

1. Calories will be gradually increasing
2. You shouldnt make judgements on serving size.
Ex. first pic was 14oz chicken, 16oz borccoli, 3tbsp = 940 calories
the walnuts was a half a cup
the pancakes, well lets just say I eat a lot of them (that was one plate of many) and there are many people who can back me up on this...you will see more, trust me (lol)

Planning on getting back up to 2400 D?

watermelon_2001

08-24-2010, 09:12 AM

Saw your transformation
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=126847473
nice work

Thanks man :) Looking forward to seeing yours!

agility2live

08-24-2010, 10:25 AM

Thanks man :) Looking forward to seeing yours!

Just saw it too, great job!

D, would you ever post a starting progress pic?

baco_bacon

08-24-2010, 12:08 PM

D! You're posting! :)

Great workouts and eats, bro. Special K + Whey is so good. I can't even explain it loooool!:D

I know I've missed this, but did you take a break from lifting? I noticed you said 'Man its tough seeing my lifts this low but I gota start back from somewhere'.
EDIT: Nvm, read your post. Sounds good, let's get this going!

determined4000

08-24-2010, 03:44 PM

Just back from the gym. Another epically long day. Ugh.
On top of a long work day it has been raining all day in the Northeast. I ran over something on the highway and my back tire started to lose air. Luckily I have an airpump in the trunk and was able to blow it up for the short term. But still got soaked in the process. Really felt like just going back to my apartment and eating a hot bowl of soup and taking a shower but I managed to get myself to the gym for a short workout. Glad I did. Was feeling down and letting lose helped clear my brain.
Anyways, here is yesterday's workout and some eats:

23-Aug
Workout 1
deadliftss 150x8 150x8 160x7 160x7 170x5
overhead press 100x12 100x12 110x12 110x12 110x12
pullups 15xbwx3 5x+25lbsx4
curls 30x12 30x12

Eats: Lots of Multiple plates for the day (crunched for time)
A couple plates of chicken and veggies
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/CIMG8104.jpg?t=1282689332

gota use this
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture1072.jpg?t=1282689332

1 of 2 stacks of French Toast (homemade toast, 3tbsp Promise, walden)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/DSC03377.jpg?t=1282689390

Fudge Brownie Cottage CHeese Proats (3 bowls)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1006.jpg?t=1282689537

Many people have asked how much CC to put in. I say you can use anywhere from .75g CC to dry, up to 1:1 (or even ore if you really want cheesy). This was made with Fudge Brownie Dymatize, oats, cocoa powder,, Peanut Butter and Cottage cheese. I would suggest if you want to try it to just experiment with ratios. Basically I cook the oats about 2/3 to 3/4 way through, then add the protein powder, cocoa powder, peanut butter and CC. Lots of stuff going on in the bowl. Basically you can just use different amounts of all of the above based on what you need for macros

Not picd: Banana w/ PB, dry kashi to snack on

Time to hit up the hot shower.
Will post today's workouts and eats later or tomorrow.
Feeling hungry for the first time in awhile :)

ErikTheElectric

08-24-2010, 03:46 PM

Eats look great D!

Keep up the good work!

mitch2147

08-24-2010, 04:35 PM

Subscribed to your log. Great work, you have given me many ideas for bulking.

Do you find it difficult to eat the amount that you do? One of my problems is feeling full too quickly.

crawfo

08-24-2010, 04:38 PM

Oats and Cheese (Cottage, Creamed, Laughing Cow, Mozzarella or Parmesan) = Winning Combination

Nice to have ones appetite raging and enjoying the experience!

ian0789

08-24-2010, 04:53 PM

Nice eats for the day man!

determined4000

08-24-2010, 05:01 PM

Eats look great D!

Keep up the good work!

right back at you

Subscribed to your log. Great work, you have given me many ideas for bulking.

Do you find it difficult to eat the amount that you do? One of my problems is feeling full too quickly.

I rarely ever feel hunger anymore. I think I destoyed my hunger cues over the years. You really just have to get in the habit of eating when its time to eat. Making things dense helps too. You will often see me adding a lot of fats for easy calories (PB, EVOO, Promise). Just a few tbspoons are hundreds of calories at hardly any added volume. One of the reasons I hate people saying you cant eat clean and bulk.

Oats and Cheese (Cottage, Creamed, Laughing Cow, Mozzarella or Parmesan) = Winning Combination

Nice to have ones appetite raging and enjoying the experience!

Laughing cow? Aware me

BIG NEWS!
I have landed a spot writing nutrition articles part-time. Bascially I get paid by how much traffic goes through the site. Its not much but right now I have 1 semester left in college and will be piling up more debt as I pursue a doctorate which takes another 5 years.
Once my page is established, I am going to post the link in my sig. A lot of the stuff may be basic, but if you all wouldnt mind bookmarking my page and just clicking it once a day, you can help support my education at no cost to yourself. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Again, I will post a link once my page is published.

agility2live

08-24-2010, 05:10 PM

Laughing cow? Aware me

http://www.thelaughingcow.com/products/the-laughing-cow-wedges/

I love them.

watermelon_2001

08-25-2010, 04:31 AM

Nice going on the job! Am looking forward to checking out the page once it's up and running.

Also, would just like to second this...

D, would you ever post a starting progress pic?
I think I've only ever seen a handful of photos of you, and they're all pretty similar. Posting up a new pic, showing us your 'starting point' (as it were) will make things so much easier to gauge your progress and offer advice. Nobody's going to come in with "OMG, you look so anorexic!" but it provides a reference point for us to be able to say "OMG, you're starting to look so much better!" Don't feel self-conscious about it; look at Mark's pics and even look at mine, that's us both at our lowest points but it also lets you see how far we've come, so it's a positive thing.

crawfo

08-25-2010, 09:04 AM

http://www.thelaughingcow.com/products/the-laughing-cow-wedges/

I love them.

Good Call
Try Sweetening them... amazing dessert / spread possibilities

agility2live

08-25-2010, 09:32 AM

Good Call
Try Sweetening them... amazing dessert / spread possibilities

I'm surprised I never thought of that, thanks!
they're very good on toasted bread topped with smoked salmon and arugula too!

robkwan

08-25-2010, 12:36 PM

hey man how does ur diet work? do u plan meals ahead or just eat and add up the cals at the end of the day. u seem to eat different things every day (which is great) but harder the keep track off. also how do u cook ur chicken looks tasty!

weighted pullups are impressive mate keep it up!

crawfo

08-25-2010, 01:27 PM

I'm surprised I never thought of that, thanks!
they're very good on toasted bread topped with smoked salmon and arugula too!

Hot Crepe with Smoke Salmon and Cream Cheese with Fresh Dill and Lemon... speechless

agility2live

08-25-2010, 01:28 PM

Hot Crepe with Smoke Salmon and Cream Cheese with Fresh Dill and Lemon... speechless

that too! yummm..craving it now

determined4000

08-25-2010, 03:07 PM

Just saw it too, great job!

D, would you ever post a starting progress pic?

Nice going on the job! Am looking forward to checking out the page once it's up and running.

Also, would just like to second this...

I think I've only ever seen a handful of photos of you, and they're all pretty similar. Posting up a new pic, showing us your 'starting point' (as it were) will make things so much easier to gauge your progress and offer advice. Nobody's going to come in with "OMG, you look so anorexic!" but it provides a reference point for us to be able to say "OMG, you're starting to look so much better!" Don't feel self-conscious about it; look at Mark's pics and even look at mine, that's us both at our lowest points but it also lets you see how far we've come, so it's a positive thing.

If I must.
Signed and dated 8/25/2010

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/personal/Picture1102.jpg?t=1282773732

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/personal/Picture1099.jpg?t=1282773732

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/personal/Picture1103.jpg?t=1282773732

determined4000

08-25-2010, 03:16 PM

This was yesterday's workout

Workout 2
squats 160x10 170x6 180x6 180x6 180x6
bench 110x12 110x12 110x12
rows 70x8 70x8 70x8 80x6
incline 120x12 120x12 120x12
decline 30x90x3

The E-A-T-S
Yes just 3 different things again today. Large servings were needed. Counting down the days until I have more time to make more different things each day (and have more R+R time :))

After the rain incident yesterday I really wanted something hot
Big pot of chili
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/IMG_2440.jpg?t=1282774294

Pancakes
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/MEN143.jpg?t=1282774293

felt pretty full after this but had to go for some dessert

Cottage Cheese Ice cream
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/CIMG0118.jpg?t=1282774487

MJFan1

08-25-2010, 03:27 PM

Holy snap man, your BF% must be very low.

Eats are looking good though, keep on the workouts!

watermelon_2001

08-25-2010, 03:51 PM

It'll be great to see you with some meat on your bones; you'll be looking back at those photos in while and thinking how far you've come.

Chilli looks soooooo good! I haven't made any in ages, but that's got me craving some...

Theenforcer1

08-25-2010, 04:29 PM

D-

Looking at your pictures, I hope you really are eating the food you are posting. However, you look EXTREMELY thin. You really need to start to eat more my friend.

Just concerned about you, thats all..

Fututre117

08-25-2010, 05:06 PM

determined4000

08-25-2010, 05:11 PM

congratulations on the job bro thats awesome id love doing something like that. i really hope you do start to bulk and hit it hard man pretty sick six pack tho. wats the recipe for that chili if you dont mind me asking?

canned tomatoes
green pepper sliced
onion sliced
kidney beans
black beans
ground turkey
canned corn
chili powder, red pepper, italian seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder, EVOO

I put the meat, seasoning and oil in until its cooked. Then cook the beans with the onion and pepper. Then add that to the ground turket and dump in all the canned veggies. Heat until everything is hot.

determined4000

08-25-2010, 05:47 PM

Holy snap man, your BF% must be very low.

Eats are looking good though, keep on the workouts!

It'll be great to see you with some meat on your bones; you'll be looking back at those photos in while and thinking how far you've come.

Chilli looks soooooo good! I haven't made any in ages, but that's got me craving some...

Thanks guys

Hopefully I will be able to show these off

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/personal/Picture931-1.jpg?t=1282782860

At the moment they stay hidden under shirts along with my too small chest, bis, tris :(

My main goal is overall increase in strength and health. Want to improve my athletic performance. No desire to compete as a bodybuilder. Being an endurance athlete I dont think I will ever get HUGE, but plan on adding somewhere between 15-20lbs which would go along way on my 5'2" frame. Can't do anything about being short in stature but MUST do something about improving body comp.
I was in the best place I had been in for about 8 years, as of May. Then the whole work situation and lack of working out caused me to slide back gradually. At first i didnt even recognize it. Then recently it hit me like a ton of bricks when I looked in the mirror and stepped back on the scale.
I don't fear food like I used to but just need to keep forcing calories as I am never hungry. I will continue to eat clean as a personal choice. As i have said, I got myself into the mess years ago because I was unhealthy and scared of going down the heart disease, obesity, high cholesterol, diabetes path. I wanted to be healthy. Now the best way to do that is adding weight. There is no direction to go but up. Being stronger, eating and living life is far more fun than starving myself, feeling weak, and being miserable all the time.
Screw EDs! (see sig, join the crew)

Also need to find myself a nice girl. Preferably on the short side, outgoing (I am not), somewhat old-fashioned, smart.

Flyin Ryan

08-25-2010, 06:02 PM

Dude, if you put on about 20 pounds, you'll look like a beast.
That's just 20 pounds too... imagine 30. =O

And dude, I love them short girls too.
Not quite as short as you are, but I'm still a shrimp at 5'7 (on a good day).
My advice: DON'T LOOK.
She'll come to you when you least expect it.

determined4000

08-25-2010, 06:14 PM

agility2live

08-25-2010, 06:14 PM

Scooter4

08-25-2010, 06:18 PM

Nice job posting the pictures. Helps keep you honest.

Even if you don't release how much you weigh, I hope you will step on the scale at least once a week so YOU can see how you are progressing. No point in not weighing yourself in my opinion.

determined4000

08-25-2010, 06:35 PM

<-- in between 5'2 and 5'3
[im short :(]
lols :p

but seriously, D
I'm really happy that you at least posted those pictures up because you deserve a lot of credit for doing that alone. you're very smart, everyone one these boards know that because you've helped a LOT of people. now it's your time, so don't look back anymore! this isn't the time to just "slide back" or "go easy". it's the same as someone struggling to LOSE weight.. they can't just say screw it and go easy on dieting, no. It has to stay constant!

besides like what ryan says, you're gonna look like a beast +20-30 :p.. baby steps right?

I'm with ya on eating clean, always makes me feel better too.

oh and congrats on the articles! :D

5'2"-3" is fine with me haha

As for helping others. 1. I feel like I have been through just about it all having consumed my life with it for eight years before starting to really pull out last winter. Still a long way to go to get where I want to be of course but I now have the mindset and pateince to do it right.
2. I dont wanna see anyone have to go down the path I went down. The faster you get out the easier it is. I dont wanna see people waste valuable days of their life as I have done.
3. Since I was so consumed with it all, I have researched and studied nutrition to death. So I feel it necessary to share my knowledge with others. I also believe knowing the science behind nutrition can alleviate the stress (unwarranted) associated with food.

So it is probably worth mentioning, that since I am not an aspiring competition bodybuilder, I do not and will not be following bulk/cut cycles. Just gradually bulking up. The good- minimal bad weight. The bad, strength and gains will be slower. The best part- I dont plan on ever losing a pound again.

agility2live

08-25-2010, 06:39 PM

5'2"-3" is fine with me haha

As for helping others. 1. I feel like I have been through just about it all having consumed my life with it for eight years before starting to really pull out last winter. Still a long way to go to get where I want to be of course but I now have the mindset and pateince to do it right. So it is probably worth mentioning, that since I am not an aspiring competition bodybuilder, I do not and will not be following bulk/cut cycles. Just gradually bulking up. . The good- minimal bad weight. The bad, strength and gains will be slower. The best part- I dont plan on ever losing a pound again.

In all honesty I think that's a perfect idea. just get to a point where you're healthy, and happy because that's all that really matters in the end. I think you're mindset of not having to count macros and still eating healthy will help in the long run of you being able to live without thinking about food 24/7.

ps - what you look like physically isnt a race [gradually bulking] so i agree.. but if its harming you're health from the inside out then its a different story you know?

Flyin Ryan

08-25-2010, 06:40 PM

5'2"-3" is fine with me haha

Back away, she's mine.
...
<_<

determined4000

08-25-2010, 06:41 PM

Back away, she's mine.
...
<_<

HAHA
The bad thing about BB.com for guys:
male : female ratio

agility2live

08-25-2010, 06:43 PM

HAHA
The bad thing about BB.com for guys:
male : female ratio

Back away, she's mine.
...
<_<

hahahaha!

Lucky4143

08-25-2010, 06:44 PM

petersc2

08-25-2010, 07:00 PM

New to the forums, looking forward to following along...subscribed

By the way, big pot of chili = big win!

Flyin Ryan

08-25-2010, 07:02 PM

HAHA
The bad thing about BB.com for guys:
male : female ratio

Hahaha it's so true.

determined4000

08-25-2010, 07:02 PM

God damn mannn, after seeing your pics your even more of an inspiration...posting your lifts, i didnt expect to see anyone CLOSE to as thin as you, and judging by your height, your pushing some weight that i see people prolly 50+lbs not being able to push

reppd

yeah I am real strong for my size.
Ill take anyone, anyone, in bodyweight exercise contests (situps, pushups, pullups etc.) lol
Not that anyone in the real world cares about that.
On the plus side it feels good lifting more than guys a little bigger than me. On the negative side, I hate seeing those same guys still looking stronger than me. And it is frustrating seeing the bigger guys throw multiple 45's on the bench, and I can't even put up 1-45 on each side for 135total. But that WILL change.

Flyin Ryan

08-25-2010, 07:08 PM

yeah I am real strong for my size.
Ill take anyone, anyone, in bodyweight exercise contests (situps, pushups, pullups etc.) lol
Not that anyone in the real world cares about that.
On the plus side it feels good lifting more than guys a little bigger than me. On the negative side, I hate seeing those same guys still looking stronger than me. And it is frustrating seeing the bigger guys throw multiple 45's on the bench, and I can't even put up 1-45 on each side for 135total. But that WILL change.

I'm kind of in the same boat.
My strength is pretty decent for a 'cat my size. I actually repped 200 5 times this past tuesday which I feel is pretty good for a guy 160 pounds. But there's a million and a half people that look bigger // stronger than I do who can't put up the weight I can.
It's all good though...
I just do my thing and watch myself slowly (but surely) progress in size.
As long as you stay mentally with it, you'll do the same without a doubt.

Scooter4

08-25-2010, 07:53 PM

This thread has been pretty quiet lately. You gonna keep updating us D4000?

Oh wow...

Pretty sure your answer is right under your nose.

determined4000

08-25-2010, 07:54 PM

This thread has been pretty quiet lately. You gonna keep updating us D4000?

yeah, only 30 posts so far today

determined4000

08-26-2010, 03:25 PM

Decided to go straight back to Workout 2 after an off day yesterday

Workout 2

squats 170x8 170x8 180x6 180x7 180x7 (highest reps for that weight I think)

decline 90x30 90x30

bench 110x12 110x12 120x10* 100x12

incline 100x12 100x12 110x10 110x7

brows 40x12 40x12 40x12

straightarm tri ext 30x15 30x15

Recap: 3rd set on the bench I went up ten lbs and was able to knock out 10 reps. May not have gone down full extension so its not a true 10 reps. Will try to knock it out properly next time.
Incline was able to bup it up ten lbs for the last two sets. Only able to knock out 7 reps in the last set, but still happy with that.

Eats:
10oz chicken breast with italian dressing and 1lb broccoli
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture1066.jpg?t=1282861040

Finished off yesterday's chili with a chili burger (added some onion for good measure)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/chilibrg-1.jpg?t=1282861130

simple cinnamon oats and natty PB (Teddie's smooth if you wanna know)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/blog-0842.jpg?t=1282861197

More CC ice cream (vanilla Dymatize flavor), and a small batch of pancakes to finish the night.

Personal life update: 1 MORE DAY OF WORK!
Then I get 1 week vaca, then my last semester. Can't wait. Will be able to spend more time in the gym so I can get some better workouts in without feeling rushed. Will also be able to bike more again, which means being able to AMP up the calories. More time to cook-->tastier eats.
Getting some blood work done next week. Haven't had any in depth stuff done since I was in the hospital 4 years ago, so I am going to see how the numbers look in comparison.

ErikTheElectric

08-26-2010, 03:40 PM

The eats look DELICIOUS D!

Makin me hungry man!

agility2live

08-26-2010, 03:44 PM

Flyin Ryan

08-26-2010, 03:54 PM

I am extreeeemmmelyyy happy with the food choices. chili burger.. never had it but I need to make sure I do very soon!

on a side note...
I also love teddies smooth. my mom came home with the huge tub of it and I thought that I hit the jackpot only to find out it wasn't the natty version :(. I was so disappointed.. it didn't taste anywhere near as good either.

They don't sell Teddie in stores around me, which is kind of sad as I've never had it.
HOWEVER, my place of employment gets them straight from the manufacturer.
Would you recommend the un-natty Teddie? Because I want to try it and I can totally swipe some from work.

And D: Great food selection brohammer. Chili burger looks really good even though there's no cheese.
And you made my decision for me to have proats tonight as well.

determined4000

08-26-2010, 03:59 PM

I am extreeeemmmelyyy happy with the food choices. chili burger.. never had it but I need to make sure I do very soon!

on a side note...
I also love teddies smooth. my mom came home with the huge tub of it and I thought that I hit the jackpot only to find out it wasn't the natty version :(. I was so disappointed.. it didn't taste anywhere near as good either.

There is no other option for me...

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture942.jpg?t=1282863549

I know its weird. The occasional time I have had regular (JIF at my parents) I dont think it tastes nearly as good as the real deal Natties. I almost want to make sure its not like some FF version or something. I have tried natty chunky. Not a big fan. Almond butter. Overrated. I always stick with smooth, natty now. If I want a little flavor (like a PB and Co.) I make my own with the Teddie's. Tastes just as good and for half the price, no unwanted ingredients.

determined4000

08-26-2010, 04:01 PM

Chili burger looks really good even though there's no cheese.

Epic fail on my part

And I haven't ever had the non-natty Teddie's so I can't say if it tastes the same (I am guessing not-->see above post).

agility2live

08-26-2010, 04:11 PM

They don't sell Teddie in stores around me, which is kind of sad as I've never had it.
HOWEVER, my place of employment gets them straight from the manufacturer.
Would you recommend the un-natty Teddie? Because I want to try it and I can totally swipe some from work.

And D: Great food selection brohammer. Chili burger looks really good even though there's no cheese.
And you made my decision for me to have proats tonight as well.

Naw the non natty teddies is no where near as good. It tastes like crappy peanut butter with crappy oils lol. the teddies I usually get is teddies chunky with flaxseeds - very good stuff. smooth is just as worth it.

I love almond butter :(.

I really want to make my own hazelnut butter but I cant find raw hazelnuts ANYWHERE unless I order it. so lame.

ilove2run

08-26-2010, 04:32 PM

Naw the non natty teddies is no where near as good. It tastes like crappy peanut butter with crappy oils lol. the teddies I usually get is teddies chunky with flaxseeds - very good stuff. smooth is just as worth it.

I love almond butter :(.

I really want to make my own hazelnut butter but I cant find raw hazelnuts ANYWHERE unless I order it. so lame.

Agreed on AB,

On the hazelnut note, serious? I can walk in any store near me and find raw hazelnuts + and other type of nut imaginable (brazil, sprouted, etc.)

determined4000

08-26-2010, 04:40 PM

agility2live

08-26-2010, 04:44 PM

Agreed on AB,

On the hazelnut note, serious? I can walk in any store near me and find raw hazelnuts + and other type of nut imaginable (brazil, sprouted, etc.)

The nuts are in the produce section of the stores I am familiar with.

dead serious.. they have just about every nut imaginable (macadamia, cashew, almond, ect..) except for hazel.

ian0789

08-26-2010, 04:47 PM

Teddies Natty PB With Flax Seed is amazing! only down side is when you put it in the frig it turns into a rock! Its thick right off the bat with the flax seed in it. Taste amazing!

Nice eats man. That Brocc looks really good! Did you grill it up?

determined4000

08-26-2010, 04:48 PM

dead serious.. they have just about every nut imaginable (macadamia, cashew, almond, ect..) except for hazel.

obviously wouldnt be the same, but could always try a hazelnut coffee syrup in your PB.

determined4000

08-26-2010, 04:52 PM

That Brocc looks really good! Did you grill it up?

lol, no. The red marks is because I mixed some franks with some smoked paprika and garlic and dashed it on before steaming. I pretty much always steam my veggies, with the exception of peppers and onions (saute) or if I do a casserole. Only have grilled veggies if I do zucchini or kabobs.

agility2live

08-26-2010, 04:55 PM

obviously wouldnt be the same, but could always try a hazelnut coffee syrup in your PB.

hmm not a bad idea. little syrup, cocoa powder.. couldn't hurt to give it a try

determined4000

08-26-2010, 05:24 PM

hmm not a bad idea. little syrup, cocoa powder.. couldn't hurt to give it a try

Its fun. Get creative. Experiement. Could try hazelnut coffee grounds as well.

With my Teddie's I have made chocolate, vanilla, banana, cinnamon, maple, mocha, powerPB.

determined4000

08-26-2010, 05:44 PM

Question for experienced lifters...rest time between exercises for supersets. I used to try to go immediately from one to the next but have since heard a slightly longer rest time between recommended.

petersc2

08-26-2010, 06:19 PM

It's good to see I'm not the only one that feels natty PB > non-natty PB...Let's me know I'm not CRAZY! :)

baco_bacon

08-26-2010, 06:27 PM

I was gonna say that burger looked good

Then I scrolled down to the oatmeal and fainted

;) excellent squats today!

It's good to see I'm not the only one that feels natty PB > non-natty PB...Let's me know I'm not CRAZY! :)
Yah no kidding!! Natty is ze best! Has anyone tried Almond Butter? <3 that stuff

dustinh6719

08-26-2010, 07:08 PM

Yah no kidding!! Natty is ze best! Has anyone tried Almond Butter? <3 that stuff

Oh yea. Love almond butter. It's a great change from PB and has a more natural taste.

hrdgain3r89

08-26-2010, 07:49 PM

Meals are lookin great man and major props to you for your lifts at your height and weight one could consider you a freak of nature lol....im in the same boat though with being stronger than i look but still longing for that gorged, swoll, look. I love being lean but sometimes I just wonder what it would be like to be 200 lbs, bangin out 315 on bench for reps. But we gotta work with what we got!! And dude Im jealous as hell I want some of dat dere Teddies Smooth RIGHT NOW...send me a jar!!! Is there a site online i can order it or am i SOL?? closest we have around here is Naturally More, Sunbutter, and of course the more questionable natties....JIif, Smuckers, PB&Co.....

One last thing...since im a fan of your recipes what do you got for a bedtime sludge mix i am OUT OF COTTAGE CHEESE AND YOUGURT....literally my kitchen is barren at the moment need an idea!

determined4000

08-26-2010, 08:00 PM

One last thing...since im a fan of your recipes what do you got for a bedtime sludge mix i am OUT OF COTTAGE CHEESE AND YOUGURT....literally my kitchen is barren at the moment need an idea!

Keep it simple:
peanut butter and whey (ratios to fit macros or taste). Melt if you want it how. Freeze if you want something cold
If you want add in some mashed berries or banana, extra cocoa powder, etc
If you want more brownie-like add egg and microwave

determined4000

08-27-2010, 03:30 PM

Today's Workout:

Deadlifts
160x8 160x8 170x7 170x7 170x7 (wanted to bump to 180 for another set but felt my back twinge on the last set of 170. Decided to play it safe)

Shoulder press: 100x12 100x12 110x12 110x12 110x12 110xfailure

curls: 30x12 40x5 40x5 30x12 (sort of stuck between the two weights here)

pullups: 15xbwx3 10x+25x3

Crunches and plank to failure

Eats
Not pic'd: Eggs Benedict omelet with Ham and asparagus at a Pub

PWO whey (how I do it) and ww flour
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1099.jpg?t=1282947361

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1101.jpg?t=1282947361

1lb seasoned spinach
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture1097.jpg?t=1282947361

chicken breast
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1093.jpg?t=1282947361

(to be frozen) blended fruit, 3tbsp PB, dymatize 12hour Fudge Brownie for tonight
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1091.jpg?t=1282947361

bowl of walnuts
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1029.jpg?t=1282947650

Looks like it turned out to be a high fat day. Hormones raging haha.

Today was my LAST DAY for work!. Good to be done.
My boss to me out to lunch with our group for my last day, so obviously broke my fast earlier than normal, but who cares. The omelet was pretty good. Couldn't help but notice that all 6 people in my group got fried fish and chips, bacon burger and fries, etc. Needless to say every single one of them are overweight. They go out or eat at our company's cafeteria everyday. I have to imagine this has something to do with the state of obesity in the US. Too much eating foods that are prepped in high calorie ways. Big serving sizes. Don't really now whats in the food. I thin if people were less lazy they would eat healthier if forced to make their own meals. Would save them a lot of $ as well. Obviously they can still make poor choices at the grocery store but I don't think people would be able to make a lunch that would be as high in calories as a big bacon cheeseburger with fries.

Staying bust tonight finishing prepping for 2 fantasy football drafts. As well as keeping up with all the logs I am subscribed too now. Takes a lot of time keeping up. LOL
Sleeping IN TOMORROW! WWOOOHOOO

ian0789

08-27-2010, 03:52 PM

That frozen thing looks really good! Nice eats as always man. Cant wait to sleep in tomorrow my as well. Gotta love Fridays!!!

SupremeClientele

08-27-2010, 03:58 PM

Eats look ****en good mane

ErikTheElectric

08-27-2010, 04:23 PM

That Frozen concoction looks awesome D!

It's always awesome to get some time off. :D Gotta love sleeping in.

Saintly

08-27-2010, 04:35 PM

determined4000

08-27-2010, 04:39 PM

Unfortunately I didn't discover this amazing log earlier, so forgive me if you've already addressed this question, but how did you make that PWO whey pancake? That looks insanely good. I just mix my whey with a tiny bit of water and microwave it but yours looks infinitely better.
sounds like you are trying to nuke a shake? lol
Mine look more like pancakes because they are more like pancakes
whey, Egg whites, ww flour, sf drink mix (gives strong flavor and why they are red)
Without using any egg or flour you arent going to get a stable batter (for every cup of dry (whey/flour) use 1/2c egg whites)
No need to avoid using flour-->need dem carbs PWO

Saintly

08-27-2010, 04:50 PM

sounds like you are trying to nuke a shake? lol
Mine look more like pancakes because they are more like pancakes
whey, Egg whites, ww flour, sf drink mix (gives strong flavor and why they are red)
Without using any egg or flour you arent going to get a stable batter (for every cup of dry (whey/flour) use 1/2c egg whites)
No need to avoid using flour-->need dem carbs PWO

Thanks for the recipe; I'll be sure to try it! Do you microwave it or cook it in a pan?

I just use a tiny bit of water to mix the whey so it comes out with batter-like consistency. Unfortunately, it turns into a rather dry 'brownie' coming out of the microwave.

determined4000

08-27-2010, 04:55 PM

Thanks for the recipe; I'll be sure to try it! Do you microwave it or cook it in a pan?

I just use a tiny bit of water to mix the whey so it comes out with batter-like consistency. Unfortunately, it turns into a rather dry 'brownie' coming out of the microwave.
Hence the need for egg
Microwave is fine. Undercook it so the middle is still goeey (see 1st pic-->middle still liquidy) and the rest wont taste dried out. The sides f the pan/bowl will cook faster. I scoop them (the cooked sides) out and then pour the gooey, half-cooked middle over them as syrup (dont even need the Walden's).

Saintly

08-28-2010, 08:23 PM

determined4000

08-28-2010, 08:38 PM

I don't know if you've already addressed this, but how do you plan out your meals daily? Do you just make what you feel like eating and log it into your daily calories and macros? I've just about had enough of planning unique daily meal plans for a week at a time only to find that I don't feel like eating whatever's been planned when the time comes :(

First off I IF, so I generally dont eat typical meals. Just figure out waht I will eat for the evening and work my way through it. As for calculating macros. I was over-uber-excessive obsessed with macros for a few years (down to the .00grams literally). I finally realized that counting macros is somewhat pointless for me for two reasons.
1. Given my calorie intake for my weight (very high), and the way I eat (higher protein and fat), I easily meet my protein and fat requirement naturally without having to try or think about it.
2. Obsessing over the calculations and eating x of this and y of that was hindering me from getting in enough calories overall, thus limiting any chance I had at gaining weight/muscle and increasing my lifts.
3. Like you I realized I never ate anything because that was what I felt like eating. I ate it because it "fit".
Now I still plan what I am going to eat, but since it is relatively soon to when I am going to be eating it (because of te IF schedule) it is generally still what I want to eat when the time comes.
Even having said that, I eat a lot of the same things daily because I just like it. Always start off with chicken and veggies. SO I cook some of that in bulk ahead of time. Love making pancakes, baking with whey (and usually do this daily). Generally make some dessert sort of deal with CC, fruit, PB, etc for my last meal. The stuff in the middle ends up changing. Maybe cereal, oats, nuts, beans, sandwiches/wraps, omelets.

I would suggest taking this type of approach if you aren't happy with what you are doing now. I mean, I assume you workout and eat healthy to be healthier, feel better, be happier. But if you dont feel better or happy because of the stress/not just eating what you like, then its not working for you.
Another approach would be to just look at your average macros for the week. Eat what you feel like within calorie range without really counting exact macros. After a few days see where you are at. If you appear to be deficient in a certain area, bump that up the next couple of days. If you (like me) hit min's easily anyways, everything else is just energy, so there is no need to count at all.
(Because macro %'s are pointless, and need is based on weight.)

Saintly

08-28-2010, 08:57 PM

First off I IF, so I generally dont eat typical meals. Just figure out waht I will eat for the evening and work my way through it. As for calculating macros. I was over-uber-excessive obsessed with macros for a few years (down to the .00grams literally). I finally realized that counting macros is somewhat pointless for me for two reasons.
1. Given my calorie intake for my weight (very high), and the way I eat (higher protein and fat), I easily meet my protein and fat requirement naturally without having to try or think about it.
2. Obsessing over the calculations and eating x of this and y of that was hindering me from getting in enough calories overall, thus limiting any chance I had at gaining weight/muscle and increasing my lifts.
3. Like you I realized I never ate anything because that was what I felt like eating. I ate it because it "fit".
Now I still plan what I am going to eat, but since it is relatively soon to when I am going to be eating it (because of te IF schedule) it is generally still what I want to eat when the time comes.
Even having said that, I eat a lot of the same things daily because I just like it. Always start off with chicken and veggies. SO I cook some of that in bulk ahead of time. Love making pancakes, baking with whey (and usually do this daily). Generally make some dessert sort of deal with CC, fruit, PB, etc for my last meal. The stuff in the middle ends up changing. Maybe cereal, oats, nuts, beans, sandwiches/wraps, omelets.

I would suggest taking this type of approach if you aren't happy with what you are doing now. I mean, I assume you workout and eat healthy to be healthier, feel better, be happier. But if you dont feel better or happy because of the stress/not just eating what you like, then its not working for you.
Another approach would be to just look at your average macros for the week. Eat what you feel like within calorie range without really counting exact macros. After a few days see where you are at. If you appear to be deficient in a certain area, bump that up the next couple of days. If you (like me) hit min's easily anyways, everything else is just energy, so there is no need to count at all.

Thanks so much for your insight. I needed that assurance to ditch my obsessive planning and calculating, especially coming from a guy who did it so rigorously himself.

I really am pretty stressed out over planning meals and forcing myself to eat them instead of getting to always eat what I feel like eating (although I do try to fit treats into my plans). Especially with college about to start in a few days, I definitely need to start being able to approximate portions and their macros since I'll be eating at the dining halls often.

Your advice on eating for a few days within the calorie range and gauging the results is fantastic. I'm going to start on it tomorrow so I'll have a few days down before going off to college. My only concern is that being a former fatty, I'm going to eat more than I think I did (hence my strict planning and forcing myself to adhere to the plan), but that's where self control has to kick in I guess.

Thanks for your help!

determined4000

08-28-2010, 09:08 PM

Thanks so much for your insight. I needed that assurance to ditch my obsessive planning and calculating, especially coming from a guy who did it so rigorously himself.

I really am pretty stressed out over planning meals and forcing myself to eat them instead of getting to always eat what I feel like eating (although I do try to fit treats into my plans). Especially with college about to start in a few days, I definitely need to start being able to approximate portions and their macros since I'll be eating at the dining halls often.

Your advice on eating for a few days within the calorie range and gauging the results is fantastic. I'm going to start on it tomorrow so I'll have a few days down before going off to college. My only concern is that being a former fatty, I'm going to eat more than I think I did (hence my strict planning and forcing myself to adhere to the plan), but that's where self control has to kick in I guess.

Thanks for your help!

1. I am also a former fatty so I understand that concern
2. Look at your freakin physique now. You are obviously dedicated to working out and if you started putting on unwanted weight (which I doubt) you can just adjust (smaller portions.
3. At school, just use common sense. Freshman year? Do you have a meal plan?
sure you could load up on burgers, fries and pizza. Just eat these things in moderation.
I found it easy to eat healthy. They have an unlimited salad bar and fruit. At the salad bar they always had hard boiled eggs, plenty of turkey at the sandwich station, and they served grilled chicken every day or two, and turkey roast frequently. Get to know the chefs and even ask if they can set aside something special for you (extra chicken etc). There was an international section that did stir frys. Breakfast there was always oatmeal, cereal, eggs. Some schools even list the nutrition info online. The biggest culprit of the freshman 15 is alcohol

Let me know how it goes.

Saintly

08-28-2010, 09:44 PM

1. I am also a former fatty so I understand that concern
2. Look at your freakin physique now. You are obviously dedicated to working out and if you started putting on unwanted weight (which I doubt) you can just adjust (smaller portions.
3. At school, just use common sense. Freshman year? Do you have a meal plan?
sure you could load up on burgers, fries and pizza. Just eat these things in moderation.
I found it easy to eat healthy. They have an unlimited salad bar and fruit. At the salad bar they always had hard boiled eggs, plenty of turkey at the sandwich station, and they served grilled chicken every day or two, and turkey roast frequently. Get to know the chefs and even ask if they can set aside something special for you (extra chicken etc). There was an international section that did stir frys. Breakfast there was always oatmeal, cereal, eggs. Some schools even list the nutrition info online. The biggest culprit of the freshman 15 is alcohol

Let me know how it goes.

Yeah, I'm heading into Freshmen year and got the unlimited meal plan that even allows take-outs lol. I looked up the dining hall stuff online and it seems like it'll be a lot like what you described, thankfully. I'll definitely try to use common sense and keep my inner fat guy under control.

Thanks for all your help and I'll let you know how it is once I get there!

determined4000

08-28-2010, 09:55 PM

Yeah, I'm heading into Freshmen year and got the unlimited meal plan that even allows take-outs lol. I looked up the dining hall stuff online and it seems like it'll be a lot like what you described, thankfully. I'll definitely try to use common sense and keep my inner fat guy under control.

Thanks for all your help and I'll let you know how it is once I get there!

Dude I used to never spend money on food
I would load ziplocs of food to take back with e to the dorm
Id fill up a few plates on a tray, return to my seat. Dump it in gallon ziplocs in my back pack. Repeat
Return to dorm and restock minifridge lol

Saintly

08-28-2010, 10:09 PM

Dude I used to never spend money on food
I would load ziplocs of food to take back with e to the dorm
Id fill up a few plates on a tray, return to my seat. Dump it in gallon ziplocs in my back pack. Repeat
Return to dorm and restock minifridge lol

That's freaking awesome lol. I think I'm gonna just deal with the weird looks that I'm surely going to get and do what you did.

determined4000

08-28-2010, 10:28 PM

That's freaking awesome lol. I think I'm gonna just deal with the weird looks that I'm surely going to get and do what you did.

Just be real friendly (brown nose) the staff
You can eat like a king.
I never touched a gram of protein powder when I had an unlimited amount of meat and eggs at my disposal.
And take advantage of all the free fresh produce which you may not eat as much of once you have to start buying your own groceries.

robbie_vlad

08-28-2010, 10:49 PM

Today's Workout:

Deadlifts
160x8 160x8 170x7 170x7 170x7 (wanted to bump to 180 for another set but felt my back twinge on the last set of 170. Decided to play it safe)

Shoulder press: 100x12 100x12 110x12 110x12 110x12 110xfailure

curls: 30x12 40x5 40x5 30x12 (sort of stuck between the two weights here)

pullups: 15xbwx3 10x+25x3

Crunches and plank to failure

Eats
Not pic'd: Eggs Benedict omelet with Ham and asparagus at a Pub

PWO whey (how I do it) and ww flour
[img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1099.jpg?t=1282947361[img]

[img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1101.jpg?t=1282947361[img]

1lb seasoned spinach
[img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture1097.jpg?t=1282947361[img]

chicken breast
[img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1093.jpg?t=1282947361[img]

(to be frozen) blended fruit, 3tbsp PB, dymatize 12hour Fudge Brownie for tonight
[img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1091.jpg?t=1282947361[img]

bowl of walnuts
[img]http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1029.jpg?t=1282947650[img]

Looks like it turned out to be a high fat day. Hormones raging haha.

Today was my LAST DAY for work!. Good to be done.
My boss to me out to lunch with our group for my last day, so obviously broke my fast earlier than normal, but who cares. The omelet was pretty good. Couldn't help but notice that all 6 people in my group got fried fish and chips, bacon burger and fries, etc. Needless to say every single one of them are overweight. They go out or eat at our company's cafeteria everyday. I have to imagine this has something to do with the state of obesity in the US. Too much eating foods that are prepped in high calorie ways. Big serving sizes. Don't really now whats in the food. I thin if people were less lazy they would eat healthier if forced to make their own meals. Would save them a lot of $ as well. Obviously they can still make poor choices at the grocery store but I don't think people would be able to make a lunch that would be as high in calories as a big bacon cheeseburger with fries.

Staying bust tonight finishing prepping for 2 fantasy football drafts. As well as keeping up with all the logs I am subscribed too now. Takes a lot of time keeping up. LOL
Sleeping IN TOMORROW! WWOOOHOOO

Hahah, not gonna lie, that spinach looked like weed at first XD.

Sick progress man, keep that **** up and you'll be a beast in no time.

determined4000

08-30-2010, 09:14 AM

Sorry for not posting over the weekend, so I got a lot of updating to do.

8/28/2010
Workout 2
flies 40x12 40x12
incline1 110x12 110x12 120x12
bench 110x12 110x12 120x12
incline2 110x12 110x12 120x12
brows 40x12 40x12 40x12 40x12
strtarm tri ext 30x15 30x15
rows 70x7 70x12 80x6

2 cajun chicken breasts
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1088.jpg

Dymatize and Special K
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1087.jpg

Eggs on Buttered (Promise) Toast
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/eggroll.jpg

Chocolate cheesy oats (a little soupy but tasty)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1096.jpg

Not pic'd: veggies, PB from jar

8/29/2010

Workout: Bike Ride

Chicken/Broc/Cheese Casserole (Ok went a little overboard on the cheese, mmmm)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/PICT4732.jpg

Veggie and Salsa Omelet
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture870.jpg

Pancakes (finished off with homemade chocolate PB syrup)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/MEN142.jpg

CC Ice Cream (Fudge Brownie flavor)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/rawcashewbananachocolateveganicecre.jpg

Overall a good food day. Really nice weather out lately. Planning on a deadlifting day this afternoon and some more tastiness to follow. It's nice to have a few days of vaca!

ian0789

08-30-2010, 09:19 AM

Really nice eats man. Dude never can go over kill with Brocc and Cheese!

That CC ice cream looks really good. Thats one thing Id want to try. I hate normal CC with a passion but it looks so damn good to just try it!

hankst

08-30-2010, 09:27 AM

Dude, you know what?

Tomorrow I'm going to make myself a chicken casserole as well! :D Thanks for the inspiration.

(How exactly did you make it?)

determined4000

08-30-2010, 09:58 AM

Dude, you know what?

Tomorrow I'm going to make myself a chicken casserole as well! :D Thanks for the inspiration.

(How exactly did you make it?)
Well it wasn't exactly an elegant recipe
1. Sprayed the dish with PAM
2. Dumped in half of my chicken and broccoli and shaked on some garlic and onion powder
3. Layer of cheese
4. Repeated steps 2-3.
5. Poured some chicken broth over the top
6. Oven at 350 for probably 25minutes of so. Mixing it up with a big serving spoon a few times so the cheesy would mix in rather than just be a sheet on top.

hankst

08-30-2010, 10:01 AM

Thanks!

Saintly

08-30-2010, 11:27 AM

That casserole looks so amazing! I'm also gonna try to make some tonight, haha. Do you think it would work if I replaced the cheese with cottage cheese though?

hankst

08-30-2010, 11:27 AM

Definitely not, too much moisture. You will end up with a swamp o' broccoli and chicken..

Saintly

08-30-2010, 12:26 PM

Wait, what happens to the casserole if I use cottage cheese? Does it get too melty? I didn't get that swamp 'o broccoli and chicken part, haha.

hankst

08-30-2010, 12:28 PM

Melty would be a good thing, but that's not what's going to happen. The moisture of the cottage cheese will form a salty, watery sea of yuck. Cottage cheese and broccoli soup - but not in a good way.

asphalt690

08-30-2010, 01:51 PM

Judging from your progress photos, I'm going to say that you will benefit from a faster pace of weight gain. I guarantee that you won't regret it once you start seeing lifts and everything else increasing.

watermelon_2001

08-30-2010, 02:17 PM

Holyspokes

08-30-2010, 02:21 PM

Sorry to bring this up since I know you'll probably be annoyed.. but how is IF beneficial or even possible if you are hypoglycemic? Doesn't your blood sugar crash?

determined4000

08-30-2010, 02:24 PM

Sorry to bring this up since I know you'll probably be annoyed.. but how is IF beneficial or even possible if you are hypoglycemic? Doesn't your blood sugar crash?

No. It actually has been found to have beneficial impact on insulin sensitivity and blood sugar regulation. Rather than constantly eating and having fluctuations, it remains stable throughout the entire fast. When I was a kid I was always told to eat frequently and it was always terrible. Eating would stop episodes temporarily but then would hit again and I would need to eat and the process would continue.

And no not annoyed. I actually would recommend trying IF to anyone who may battle hypoglycemia and frequent meals hasn't worked.

determined4000

08-30-2010, 02:29 PM

All that cheese just made that casserole complete for me... Damn, looks good...

Do you have a particular type of cheese which you favour? I'm a massive fan of smoked flavours, but my favourite is 'Applewood Smoked'... Makes my mouth water just thinking of it...

I really only like Swiss
Or american
Or provolone
Or Parmesan
Or cheddar
Or mozzarella
and occasionally pepper jack
Love melting cottage cheese in omelets and in my oats as well

Actually never had "smoked" cheese, though.

ErikTheElectric

08-30-2010, 02:49 PM

Veggie Cheese FTW!

Gonna make something like this tonight D! Thanks for the idea man! :D

crawfo

08-30-2010, 03:43 PM

Fantastic and innovative Eats... as usual.
The lifts are looking powerful as well.

With regards to Intermittent Fasting and hypoglycaemia -
My body also became overly reliant upon constant (7 meals daily) feedings.
Without a constant influx of nutrients my blood glucose would plummet.
I now eat 3 to 4 times daily and find my energy is constant and strong.

arenasbuzzersho

08-30-2010, 06:45 PM

No. It actually has been found to have beneficial impact on insulin sensitivity and blood sugar regulation. Rather than constantly eating and having fluctuations, it remains stable throughout the entire fast. When I was a kid I was always told to eat frequently and it was always terrible. Eating would stop episodes temporarily but then would hit again and I would need to eat and the process would continue.

And no not annoyed. I actually would recommend trying IF to anyone who may battle hypoglycemia and frequent meals hasn't worked.

2nd that fact

hey i know you use carbquick for your pancakes, were do you buy it i cant find it at the grocery store

Scooter4

08-30-2010, 07:02 PM

You can do 120lbs for 12 reps but you can't do 135lbs for 1 rep? Are you sure? I bet you can do it. :)

determined4000

08-30-2010, 07:10 PM

You can do 120lbs for 12 reps but you can't do 135lbs for 1 rep? Are you sure? I bet you can do it. :)

Well I had been doing only 110 and I dont have a spotter. So when I do lifts where I could be dropping the weight on myself I stay with higher reps. Stuff like deads I dont mind/like going low reps to lift heavy and no spotter is needed.

bejetah

08-30-2010, 08:45 PM

agility2live

08-30-2010, 08:51 PM

I don't like PB so i don't add it in. Another thing i don't like is chocolate, so I stay far away from chocolate tasting protein powders. f

i am not okay with this

Scooter4

08-30-2010, 08:56 PM

I don't like PB so i don't add it in. Another thing i don't like is chocolate, so I stay far away from chocolate tasting protein powders. Sometimes i'll throw in a handful of almonds if i'm short on fats for the meal :) Will post some pics but tbh i was too lazy to make any so far :)

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab301/LoweRider89/pics/BERT.jpg

determined4000

08-30-2010, 08:59 PM

Hey D

You said u like dymatize elite 12h prot? :)
I'm thinking of giving it a try. Does it thicken up like casein does? Is it very sweet?

I bought many not so good tasting protein powders in the past, and since i don't live in the US this stuff costs more than there .. So i better make sure what i'm buying before I do :D

My fav. dessert (think what you want but it tastes so amazing i can never get enough of it)
Actually is a meal, but as I do IF I eat it as dessert :)

1 cup quark cheese (similar to cottage cheese, smoothier and sweet tasting, almost no sodium)
1 scoop vanilla/banana/toffee protein
1/2 cup oats
cinnamon
add a little water to make it smooth
(not blended of course)

I don't like PB so i don't add it in. Another thing i don't like is chocolate, so I stay far away from chocolate tasting protein powders. Sometimes i'll throw in a handful of almonds if i'm short on fats for the meal :) Will post some pics but tbh i was too lazy to make any so far :)

BTW, congrats on kicking your ED, will be joining your group, I have quite a similar experience myself

1. your dessert
that is what I do almost everynight with my cheesy oats, )except I use CC instead of quark
I LOVE IT and like you, am afriad most people think I am weird for doing it.

2. If you are looking to save money, stores like BB.com sells dymatize for just over half the price of most caseins. It is thicker than whey, not quite as thick as casein. I think the flavor is stronger and sweeter which I like. The Fudge brownie does not taste like a typical chocolate but if you are staying away from that sort of flavor all together, I would suggest vanilla or banana. When I am unsure of flavor I go with vanilla dn then I know I can just add other flavorings to it to get variety. But if you really want to save, just go with a whey and add some fat to it for a slower digesting effect (plus you are already getting casein in the cheese).

3. How can you not like PB? Or chocolate? Weird foreigner (lol)

4. Love to have new members. And be proud of it.
SCREW EDs!

ErikTheElectric

08-30-2010, 09:10 PM

i am not okay with this

x2.. How can you not like Peanut Butter.. haha

agility2live

08-30-2010, 09:11 PM

x2.. How can you not like Peanut Butter.. haha

coming from the guy who doesn't like bananas ;)

ErikTheElectric

08-30-2010, 09:14 PM

coming from the guy who doesn't like bananas ;)

psssh. fine, I agree I don't like PB and banana sandwhiches!

But have you ever tried Peanut Butter and ..... Honey sandwhiches..?

They are pretty much.. AMAZING!
:)

bejetah

08-30-2010, 09:24 PM

God, I hate bananas. And i freakin hate honey :D :D :D

No, but seriously, never liked chocolate even when I was a kid. Never really had a sweet tooth. When we were little my grandmother often made pancakes, I remember everyone eating them with chocolate spread, I was the only one putting cream cheese on it lol, everyone was like EW. But hey who cares :D

For the PB. I first tried it about 2 years ago and didn't like it, and still don't. It's not a regular thing to eat in our country. You can only get it in bigger stores, at the shelves where they sell "foreign" products, if u know what I mean ... That's where you can find things like jello, microwave popcorn and stuff like that. We don't use much of this kind of food here :P

But hey, people coming here are saying we have the best food ever. Sausages, saurkraut, stews, different pastries ... Lots of unique specialties :)

determined4000

08-30-2010, 09:25 PM

psssh. fine, I agree I don't like PB and banana sandwhiches!

But have you ever tried Peanut Butter and ..... Honey sandwhiches..?

They are pretty much.. AMAZING!
:)

One of my friends eats PB and Butter sandwiches
Another who eats PB, Jelly and FLuff
Another who eats Mayo and cheese (yuck)

agility2live

08-30-2010, 09:31 PM

psssh. fine, I agree I don't like PB and banana sandwhiches!

But have you ever tried Peanut Butter and ..... Honey sandwhiches..?

They are pretty much.. AMAZING!
:)

I have the biggest smile right now because you arethe only other person I've ever heard who has tried that before!!!! I LOVE them!!!

Bread has to be toasted tho!

determined4000

08-30-2010, 09:31 PM

determined4000

08-30-2010, 09:33 PM

I have the biggest smile right now because you arethe only other person I've ever heard who has tried that before!!!! I LOVE them!!!

Bread has to be toasted tho!

actually its more common than u think
just google it

GlobalConflict

08-30-2010, 10:16 PM

SUBBED because your a MGM Cake Batter Fan, Plus, i always like hearing your information...

As for your post like a long ass time ago about what the next thing on MEN will be Burritos, why? Because im about to eat strictly burritos for the next week haha, to inspire the MEN thread haha.

Anyways... The chicken casserole looks wonderful but.... you need to make Chicken Devan, its heavenly. My mom makes a low fat version which is absolutely out of this world.

Made like yours but its... Low fat mayo + Low fat Cream of Chicken soup poured on top of a layer of steamed broccolli with a layer of cooked shredded chicken then topped with a layer of cheddar cheese, then baked in the oven until ooooeeeyyy goooeeeyyy.

Its amazing, then i always dump like a crap load of tabasco on top, ohh my god... im getting hungry and im not even hungry... whats wrong with me?

watermelon_2001

08-31-2010, 03:47 AM

But have you ever tried Peanut Butter and ..... Honey sandwhiches..?

They are pretty much.. AMAZING!
:)

I have to second that- gooey and oh-so-good...
When I was younger and had to make my lunch for school, I always used to have peanut butter sandwiches. Thing is, because I found it difficult to spread, I used to make it easier by firstly spreading the bread with...margerine. In hindsight, it probably wasn't a particularly healthy method of going about doing things.

One of my friends eats PB and Butter sandwiches
Another who eats PB, Jelly and FLuff
Another who eats Mayo and cheese (yuck)

Mayo and cheese, maybe not, but have you ever tried coleslaw and cheese? Or had a 'Ploughman's' sandwich? For a cheese fan, these are things you might want to explore :D

ErickStevens

08-31-2010, 04:00 AM

'Sup with the extreme close ups? Zoom out dude.

Flyin Ryan

08-31-2010, 04:14 AM

Hopping on the "strange sandwich" bandwaggon for a minute... cheddar and peanut butter on toast. My god. You'lll love it.

JValjean724

08-31-2010, 05:37 AM

Hopping on the "strange sandwich" bandwaggon for a minute... cheddar and peanut butter on toast. My god. You'lll love it.

i will second that recommendation, except I had it on a bagel. My brother thought I was going insane

Hey D, I have been reading your log for a while now and good job! You said you completely lost the feeling of hunger, but do you feel full? Is it unpleasant for you? I was just wondering because I just started eating more and I sometimes get uncomfortable if I am full. Mostly physiologically

petersc2

08-31-2010, 08:00 AM

I have the biggest smile right now because you arethe only other person I've ever heard who has tried that before!!!! I LOVE them!!!

Bread has to be toasted tho!

Definitely agree on the toasting, gives it that little somethin extra...PB, honey and banana sandwich = all-time fav!

Hopping on the "strange sandwich" bandwaggon for a minute... cheddar and peanut butter on toast. My god. You'lll love it.

I've had many people tell me this is crazy, but shredded chicken, ballreich's potato chips and applesauce is where it's at! Happened by accident and boy was I glad

determined4000

08-31-2010, 11:53 AM

30-Aug
Workout 1
deads 160x8 160x8 170x6 170x6 170x7
180x4 180x4 180x5
overhead press 100x12 100x12 110x12 110x12 11012
pullups bwx15x3 (+10)x12 (+20)x9x2
curls 30x12 40x6 30x12 30x12

I went through my workout at my apartment complex left and went to start my PWO meal but just couldn't help feeling like I left too much on the table back in the gym. Didn't think I really went all out. So I decided to jog back and knock out those last three sets of deadlifts, which I believe are PRs. Glad I went back. Feeling stronger. Probably will be increasing intake a little more the next few days as I now have to do more fun things (=more activity) on my week off.

The Eats o' the Day
Chicken, Spinach, Broccoli, Steamed Greens

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1119.jpg?t=1283280402

Whey My Way

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1110.jpg?t=1283280444

Blended/Chopped Peaches, Fudge Brownie 12hr, Peanut Butter Goodness
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1125.jpg?t=1283280538

2 Bowls Special K spirnkled with Cinnamon Oatmeal Isobolic (kinda a cinnamon toast crunch flavor going on here)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1128.jpg?t=1283280612

Not pic'd: handful almonds, homemade refried beans

The Cinnamon Oatmeal Protein a got is a Casein, Whey, Egg Blend
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture1124.jpg?t=1283280761

I was able to get 10lbs of the stuff for < $50.00 (normally the price for 5lbs)
Didn't really need to restock but couldn't pass it up.

IrishPilot

08-31-2010, 12:19 PM

Is that Cinn Oatmeal any good? Sounds good.

Oh yes...Nutrition Ranking Thread 36...we needs it.

Saintly

08-31-2010, 12:38 PM

Sorry to bring up your eats from yesterday, but how much broccoli and how much cheese was that?

determined4000

08-31-2010, 01:46 PM

Is that Cinn Oatmeal any good? Sounds good.

Oh yes...Nutrition Ranking Thread 36...we needs it.

Yeah I know I missed posting this morning. Will certainly have Day 36 up tomorrow

Am planning on giving a more in depth review after I try a few things with it (proats, pancakes, etc.)

Sorry to bring up your eats from yesterday, but how much broccoli and how much cheese was that?

Why do you constantly feel the need to apologize?

Anyways, 1lb frozzen broccoli, 8 slices of cheese (4 slices on each layer). Cheeziness.

Saintly

08-31-2010, 01:52 PM

Thanks man. I'm trying cream of mushroom in place of the chicken broth. Hope it turns out okay.

determined4000

09-02-2010, 08:38 AM

Have a couple of days of catching up to do so

31-Aug
Workout 2
squats 170x7 170x7 180x5 180x5 180x7
bench 100x12 100x12 110x12
rows 70x11 80x5 80x6
incline 110x12 110x12 120x6 120x7
incline2 110x12 110x12
brows 40x12[/im g 40x12 40x12 40x12

Eats:
Protein Pudding
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1127.jpg

Beans, chicken, cheese, some veg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/chipotlechickenchili2.jpg

Homemade pizza
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/onion-ham-paprika-cheese-surprise.jpg

Not picd: Did an omelete, apple with PB, Pancakes, CC

9/1/2010

Didn't update yesterday because I traveled to my parents for my father's birthday. Needless to say, didn't workout or take any food pics. Had a great meal my mom made. She did steaks and potatoes on the grill, asparagus sauteed in EVOO.
Had planned to go for a bike ride in the morning before leaving but it was 96 degrees here so decided I would just a full rest day. Calories were definetly lower than normal with the traveling back and forth (didn't get back til almost midnight). Planning on getting back to the gym today and getting back to the normal eats.

determined4000

09-02-2010, 08:50 AM

Updating Thread Contributors:

determined4000 350
Insight 33
Emma-Leigh 31
PBateman2 27
MJFan1 26
GlobalConflict 25
Scooter4 25
xcitex 23
agility2live 20
jakedasn4ke 17
DanTheManB 17
On Fire 17
Holyspokes 14
recovering 13
Alluminum 11
RyanRosemeck 11
Saintly 10
RyouBakua 10
ErikTheElectric 10
watermelon_2001 8
Fututre117 8
ian0789 8
Sizzler32 7
Theenforcer1 6
The Solution 6
get_hype 6
hankst 5
MarkVI 5
LEX-UA 5
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crawfo 4
EmperorRyker 4
damirk 4
beeeyandizzle 4
spak 4
Brad155 4
ErickStevens 4
SusieP 3
robbie_vlad 3
jgreenhaus 3
TeenMisc 3
Halfnelson 3
Mr-Paradox 3
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Zody 2
baco_bacon 2
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Murderfox 2
Gesou 2
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Thanks to all.

PBateman2

09-02-2010, 09:55 AM

Workouts and poundages coming along. Well done!

What are the macros like on that homemade pizza?

Acevedo85

09-02-2010, 10:08 AM

The Cinnamon Oatmeal Protein a got is a Casein, Whey, Egg Blend
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/others/Picture1124.jpg?t=1283280761

I was able to get 10lbs of the stuff for < $50.00 (normally the price for 5lbs)
Didn't really need to restock but couldn't pass it up.

you have got to tell me where you got this for 50 bucks...10 lbs? holy****

determined4000

09-02-2010, 10:24 AM

you have got to tell me where you got this for 50 bucks...10 lbs? holy****

sorry can't
got in trouble for posting another site already

Workouts and poundages coming along. Well done!

What are the macros like on that homemade pizza?
Turned out to be
500 calories
67g protein
17.8g fat
17.7g carbs

Acevedo85

09-02-2010, 10:32 AM

sorry can't
got in trouble for posting another site already

Turned out to be
500 calories
67g protein
17.8g fat
17.7g carbs
thats why we have pms;)

Tattoomagoo

09-02-2010, 10:50 AM

Nice job on the nutrition for this man. Creative and still looks good. Best of luck with it!!

PBateman2

09-02-2010, 11:33 AM

Turned out to be
500 calories
67g protein
17.8g fat
17.7g carbs

SICK!!!! You know my next question. Recipe? PM me if that is better. Looks awesome!

hankst

09-02-2010, 11:35 AM

SICK!!!! You know my next question. Recipe? PM me if that is better. Looks awesome!

Don't you dare hogging that recipe for you alone.

Post it in here! :D

PBateman2

09-02-2010, 01:57 PM

Don't you dare hogging that recipe for you alone.

Post it in here! :D

Right on!

determined4000

09-02-2010, 02:23 PM

SICK!!!! You know my next question. Recipe? PM me if that is better. Looks awesome!

Don't you dare hogging that recipe for you alone.

Post it in here! :D

hmmmm How much is it worth to you? jk

Homemade dough with carbalose (50grams)+ water =150cals
6oz 99% lean ground (never buy due to $--> but visited parents-->they going on trip=need to clean out fridge-->me profit) (165cals)
3oz sliced onions (25)
4 slices veggie cheese (160)
Dashed with smoke paprika, cayenne, chilipowder, SWestern Mrs. Dash.
I forgot to add the salsa (mild due to above spices listed) I use as sauce so its probably more like 525 total.

PBateman2

09-02-2010, 02:41 PM

hmmmm How much is it worth to you? jk

Homemade dough with carbalose (50grams)+ water =150cals

Thx! ^This though. Anything I can get at the store that would be just as good? Or any other suggestions?

LOL..there is no way Im going to be able to do "homemade dough with carbalose".

determined4000

09-02-2010, 03:25 PM

Thx! ^This though. Anything I can get at the store that would be just as good? Or any other suggestions?

LOL..there is no way Im going to be able to do "homemade dough with carbalose".

Grab some flatout wraps or low carb pita.
I suggest the pita because it is thicker than wraps and makes a slightly thicker crust.

Scooter4

09-02-2010, 03:41 PM

Grab some flatout wraps or low carb pita.
I suggest the pita because it is thicker than wraps and makes a slightly thicker crust.

Or these:
http://www.drbforums.com/iB_html/uploads/post-42-62291-JosephsLavash.jpg

determined4000

09-02-2010, 04:09 PM

Or these:
http://www.drbforums.com/iB_html/uploads/post-42-62291-JosephsLavash.jpg

I use thier pita for pizza.
Like I said, comes out thicker
I have actually used thier wraps for pita chips. Coat with a thin layer of Promise on each side. Dash with garlic powder, onion powder, garlic salt. Oven until crisp (watch carefully though, lol).

Fututre117

09-02-2010, 04:11 PM

i been using naan bread for pizza as of lately and damn is it good just a suggestion if someone doesnt want to make their own crust or bother with dough

Fututre117

09-02-2010, 04:15 PM

found a link for what i use if someone didnt know what it was, its not low carb or anything but it makes for a pretty good pizza IMO

http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10052&catalogId=1&productId=676531

PBateman2

09-02-2010, 05:13 PM

Grab some flatout wraps or low carb pita.
I suggest the pita because it is thicker than wraps and makes a slightly thicker crust.

Perfect! Thanks.

found a link for what i use if someone didnt know what it was, its not low carb or anything but it makes for a pretty good pizza IMO

http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10052&catalogId=1&productId=676531

May give that a shot too! Sounds good.

petersc2

09-02-2010, 05:32 PM

How long/what temp do you cook it at then?

determined4000

09-02-2010, 06:22 PM

How long/what temp do you cook it at then?

I tend to cook everything 325-350
If you use pita, won't take longer than 10minutes (keep an eye on it)

arenasbuzzersho

09-02-2010, 08:23 PM

Emma-Leigh

09-03-2010, 01:55 AM

sorry can't
got in trouble for posting another site already

.... :o

Turned out to be
500 calories
67g protein
17.8g fat
17.7g carbs
67g protein? :o

Updating Thread Contributors:

determined4000 350
Insight 33
Emma-Leigh 31
<snip>
Note to self: Must post more... :p

ps - >> Oatmeal Pizza Crust:
Ingredients:
- .5 cup fiber one
- .5 cup oatmeal
- 2 egg whites
- ~ 0.5 tbs olive oil
- spices/ seasoning as desired

Blend fiber one and oatmeal until breadlike consistency. Add spices.
Mix with egg white and oil.
Put mixture either on:
1. a non skillet and flatten like a pizza crust with the back of the spoon. Cook and flip, cook some more. Then add toppings and pop under grill (broiler) to finish melty cheese top
or
2. oven tray on bake proof paper. Cover with pizza topping and bake in oven.

Calories: ~ 300
Total Fat: 10.0 g
Total Carbohydrate: 50.2 g [Dietary Fiber: 18g < so only about 30g other carbs]
Protein: 15 g

^
makes a pretty big crust too - so splitting it would be easy.

Nitrom

09-03-2010, 03:53 AM

No offense friend but...,so you were anorexic,from what i see now you fell in totally opposite end of extremism ,which is obsession with food... my opinion is that you should stop photographing every single meal and add dish you eat and start spending more time thinking about your training and just eating by feel....thats my honest advice.. otherwise you will end up in magic circle of never ending thinking about diet which can screw your social and other whole life...trust me i know from experience...best luck

Viat

09-03-2010, 09:35 AM

.... :o

67g protein? :o

Note to self: Must post more... :p

ps - >> Oatmeal Pizza Crust:
Ingredients:
- .5 cup fiber one
- .5 cup oatmeal
- 2 egg whites
- ~ 0.5 tbs olive oil
- spices/ seasoning as desired

Blend fiber one and oatmeal until breadlike consistency. Add spices.
Mix with egg white and oil.
Put mixture either on:
1. a non skillet and flatten like a pizza crust with the back of the spoon. Cook and flip, cook some more. Then add toppings and pop under grill (broiler) to finish melty cheese top
or
2. oven tray on bake proof paper. Cover with pizza topping and bake in oven.

Calories: ~ 300
Total Fat: 10.0 g
Total Carbohydrate: 50.2 g [Dietary Fiber: 18g < so only about 30g other carbs]
Protein: 15 g

^
makes a pretty big crust too - so splitting it would be easy.

Sorry for getting off topic, but do you know if substituting the Fiber One with either more oatmeal or WW flour would work?

determined4000

09-03-2010, 10:15 AM

pita bread is amzong for pizzas, i like slitting the crust in half and putting cheese in the center. placing it back over and baking till crisp like usally adding topping....makes it taste like stuff crust pizza crispy style ;)
sounds good
was actually thinking of stuffing an entire pita and making some sort of double-decker pizza

67g protein? :o

ps - >> Oatmeal Pizza Crust:
Ingredients:
- .5 cup fiber one
- .5 cup oatmeal
- 2 egg whites
- ~ 0.5 tbs olive oil
- spices/ seasoning as desired

Blend fiber one and oatmeal until breadlike consistency. Add spices.
Mix with egg white and oil.
Put mixture either on:
1. a non skillet and flatten like a pizza crust with the back of the spoon. Cook and flip, cook some more. Then add toppings and pop under grill (broiler) to finish melty cheese top
or
2. oven tray on bake proof paper. Cover with pizza topping and bake in oven.

Calories: ~ 300
Total Fat: 10.0 g
Total Carbohydrate: 50.2 g [Dietary Fiber: 18g < so only about 30g other carbs]
Protein: 15 g

^
makes a pretty big crust too - so splitting it would be easy.

Note: Pizza made/eaten 1 day prior to results and changes

Thanks for the crust recipe. I looked at Fiber1's website and their only baking products are muffin mix and pancake mix. Is the one you used pancake mix?

No offense friend but...,so you were anorexic,from what i see now you fell in totally opposite end of extremism ,which is obsession with food... my opinion is that you should stop photographing every single meal and add dish you eat and start spending more time thinking about your training and just eating by feel....thats my honest advice.. otherwise you will end up in magic circle of never ending thinking about diet which can screw your social and other whole life...trust me i know from experience...best luck

No offense friend :), but I can't just "eat by feel". I have pretty much no hunger cues after 8 years of restriction so I can go all day without eating and I have conditioned my body to shut out feelings of discomfort. I attempted to just eat normally--> no counting, measuring, etc. over a couple months this summer and lost the weight I put on bulking last spring (when I was tracking, posting, taking pics, receiving encouragement and feedback from others). Now I am done with that failed experiment and need to put back on what I lost + another 10lbs hopefully. I live alone, so many meals end up being alone and taking pics takes 5seconds. When I eat somewhere else with family, friends etc, I do not measure or take pics.
At this point gaining weight is top priority so I will continue to do this as it has been successful in the past and keeps me focused.
You say you have experience, but this isn't something new for me either. Things started when I was 14. I am 23 now. I will do what I think works, because I went a LOOONNGGG time spinning my wheels trying a thousand other things.

determined4000

09-03-2010, 11:35 AM

2-Sep
workout1
incline 110x12 110x12 120x12
incline2 120x12 120x12 120x12
incline3 110x12 120x12 120x12
curls 30x12 30x12 30x12 30x12
chins 15x4bw superset into 15x4 pullups
rows 80x12 80x12 80x12 80x12

Eats
Cocoa powder, oats, cottage cheese (soupy and cheesy the way I like it)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1123.jpg

Veggies
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture1121.jpg

Special K w/ Vanilla 12hour Dymatize
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1117.jpg

Carbquik/Fudge Brownie Brownie
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1096.jpg

Chicken breast
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/Chicken/Picture1092.jpg

candied walnuts
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/PBtr/Picture1032.jpg

No pic: PB banana sammich, 1 ear corn from local market

Not much going on.
Can't wait for football season to start up. College football this saturday, NFL next week.
Roddick ousted in US Open (ugh).
Yankees on a roll :).
School to start Tuesday.
May work out there a few times a week instead of the apartment complex.

Scooter4

09-03-2010, 11:43 AM

sounds good
was actually thinking of stuffing an entire pita and making some sort of double-decker pizza

Note: Pizza made/eaten 1 day prior to results and changes

Thanks for the crust recipe. I looked at Fiber1's website and their only baking products are muffin mix and pancake mix. Is the one you used pancake mix?

No offense friend :), but I can't just "eat by feel". I have pretty much no hunger cues after 8 years of restriction so I can go all day without eating and I have conditioned my body to shut out feelings of discomfort. I attempted to just eat normally--> no counting, measuring, etc. over a couple months this summer and lost the weight I put on bulking last spring (when I was tracking, posting, taking pics, receiving encouragement and feedback from others). Now I am done with that failed experiment and need to put back on what I lost + another 10lbs hopefully. I live alone, so many meals end up being alone and taking pics takes 5seconds. When I eat somewhere else with family, friends etc, I do not measure or take pics.
At this point gaining weight is top priority so I will continue to do this as it has been successful in the past and keeps me focused.
You say you have experience, but this isn't something new for me either. Things started when I was 14. I am 23 now. I will do what I think works, because I went a LOOONNGGG time spinning my wheels trying a thousand other things.

And for D's sake, I would also like to add that I doubt he would take pics of the food if he didn't have this log going. Pictures = good log. I know I take pictures of my food not for me, but to make my log more interesting to read (and for MEN). you are obviously new to the nutrition section if you think taking pictures of food is weird, lol.

EmperorRyker

09-03-2010, 11:56 AM

No offense friend :), but I can't just "eat by feel". I have pretty much no hunger cues after 8 years of restriction so I can go all day without eating and I have conditioned my body to shut out feelings of discomfort. I attempted to just eat normally--> no counting, measuring, etc. over a couple months this summer and lost the weight I put on bulking last spring (when I was tracking, posting, taking pics, receiving encouragement and feedback from others). Now I am done with that failed experiment and need to put back on what I lost + another 10lbs hopefully. I live alone, so many meals end up being alone and taking pics takes 5seconds. When I eat somewhere else with family, friends etc, I do not measure or take pics.
Are you sure you're being honest with yourself when you say this?

Emma-Leigh

09-03-2010, 12:05 PM

Sorry for getting off topic, but do you know if substituting the Fiber One with either more oatmeal or WW flour would work?
I guess.... But you might need to add some rising agent if you use flour

Thanks for the crust recipe. I looked at Fiber1's website and their only baking products are muffin mix and pancake mix. Is the one you used pancake mix?
:confused: No. Didn't even know they did those mixes.
I use bran sticks as we don't have fiber one over here - But the original recipe I based it off uses this:
http://www.fiberone.com/Images/cereal_box_right_original.jpg
Which is why it states in the directions to: [i]"...Blend fiber one and oatmeal until breadlike consistency..."[/u] ;)

2-Sep
workout1
incline 110x12 110x12 120x12
incline2 120x12 120x12 120x12
incline3 110x12 120x12 120x12
curls 30x12 30x12 30x12 30x12
chins 15x4bw superset into 15x4 pullups
rows 80x12 80x12 80x12 80x12
Remind me again with why with the 12 reps?

determined4000

09-03-2010, 12:13 PM

Remind me again with why with the 12 reps?

unfortunately no spotter at the moment so I am weary of lifting heaier weight/lower reps with bench/incline when the weight could "fall". That will be changing early next week (spotter).
I normally would prefer around 5 reps for heavy compound lifts (squat, dead, bench, incline etc) and higher (8-12) for isolation movements.
What would you recommend?

Emma-Leigh

09-03-2010, 12:51 PM

unfortunately no spotter at the moment so I am weary of lifting heaier weight/lower reps with bench/incline when the weight could "fall". That will be changing early next week (spotter).
I normally would prefer around 5 reps for heavy compound lifts (squat, dead, bench, incline etc) and higher (8-12) for isolation movements.
What would you recommend?

I would recommend less reps. ;)

No need to jump immediately from 5 to 12 reps - what about picking a weight you can do 8 reps with? The weight you used above was obviously easily handled as you got out all the reps in many multiple sets.

Can also swap to DBs - easier to 'get away' from the weight if you come stuck.
Use a slightly less scary weight and do slower negs/ pauses and other stuff.
Floor work - this is a good way to get around things too (floor DB press).
Isolateral Hammer Strength equipment for some of the work as well.

watermelon_2001

09-03-2010, 12:53 PM

Are you sure you're being honest with yourself when you say this?

I can totally see where D's coming from when he says it. I dunno if the body just eventually 'adapts' to coping with feelings of hunger, especially when it's forced to, but I would be inclined to believe it does. Bearing in mind that he's suffered from anorexia and thus has been forcing his body to deal with hunger, both for such a long time, it wouldn't surprise me that natural, normal feelings of hunger/ fullness would be pretty dramatically changed. I'm kind of the same- even on my hardest training days, sometimes I could go without feeling the 'need' to eat. At least if he's eating in a way which guarantees he gets all the calories he needs to gain, then he won't end up losing weight.

determined4000

09-03-2010, 02:01 PM

Are you sure you're being honest with yourself when you say this?
Yes, watermelon said it...

I can totally see where D's coming from when he says it. I dunno if the body just eventually 'adapts' to coping with feelings of hunger, especially when it's forced to, but I would be inclined to believe it does. Bearing in mind that he's suffered from anorexia and thus has been forcing his body to deal with hunger, both for such a long time, it wouldn't surprise me that natural, normal feelings of hunger/ fullness would be pretty dramatically changed. I'm kind of the same- even on my hardest training days, sometimes I could go without feeling the 'need' to eat. At least if he's eating in a way which guarantees he gets all the calories he needs to gain, then he won't end up losing weight.

Its about what you condition your body to do. I conditioned mine to not eat and feel satisfied without eating for a very long period of time. Frankly, I wish I had hunger pangs because it would make bulking easier if I had pains telling me I need to eat. I must rely on numbers and the science.

You condition your body to run longer, lift more weights, prefer different types of food as well. I have a relative who raised his kids on all organic, natural food and such. His kids are infants to 7years old. When they want dessert after dinner, they beg for fruit and hummus (srs). That is what they have become conditioned to loving and believing is a reward , as most Americans have with Ice Cream, cake, Happy meals, etc.(note: they are also home schooled and from a small hick-town so they are naive to what most of the world's view of dessert is).

bugzor

09-04-2010, 09:07 AM

Love this log. Yummy looking foods and awesome progress. Keep up the good work. You've kept me motivated *thumbsup

Fututre117

09-04-2010, 09:17 AM

determined4000

09-04-2010, 09:59 AM

workouts look good D, and im with emma even if you are scared to do heavier weight with no spotter you could still try and do 8 reps or so, but i guess it wont matter soon because you are getting a lifting partner i assume next week you said? eats are looking good as always in your own creative way haha. im with you though man getting pumped for the NFL next week it feels like its been forever, whose your team? im not sure where youre from

COWBOYS!!! I grew up in Massachusetts and root for the Patriots too but live and die with the Cowboys. I inherited it from my father (happily I may add :))

Yesterday's Workout

3-Sep
Legs, Shoulders, Tris

squat 160x10 160x10 170x5 170x7 180x5

spress 120x6 120x6 120x6 120x6

Dumbell overhead 50x8 50x8 50x7 (tiring out)

brows 50x8 50x8 50x8

triext 40x8 40x8 40x8

legext 120x10 120x10 130x8 130x8

Fututre117

09-04-2010, 10:04 AM

ahhh i see a cowboys fan eh, its all good im an Eagles fan though lol. Squats looking real strong nice numbers you got there, im in for food pics later bro

determined4000

09-04-2010, 10:39 AM

ahhh i see a cowboys fan eh, its all good im an Eagles fan though lol. Squats looking real strong nice numbers you got there, im in for food pics later bro

YOUR GOING DOWN (week12?- odd they don't play til then)

As for food pics, you ask and you shall receive

cereal
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1164.jpg?t=1283621171

Cheesy Oats
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1105.jpg?t=1283621171

Turkey/Ham Wrap
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture1148.jpg?t=1283621318

Cheese Egg Scramble with Salsa
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meats/Picture924.jpg?t=1283621392

CC/Fruit/Dymatize/Cocoa Powder Ice Cream
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1162.jpg?t=1283621257

No pic: 1 head lettuce with 1/4c Italian Dressing (homemade of course), topped with grilled chicken
Kashi/almond trail mix

Weight Update: As I said, I think I am shooting for 15-20lb weight gain long term (remember 5'2" so 20lbs goes a long way). I am taking it slowly, because I have no plans of ever cutting. I am not an aspiring bber and don't want to do bulk/cut cycles, just gain weight to get healthy and maximize my athletic potential. My shorter term goal I think will be 8lbs for Christmas. Then maybe another 7-10 for the rest of the year and playing it by ear after that.

This week's Result: +1 lb

I think this figure may be slightly deceiving due to changes in my diet late this week that had me increasing carbs. I have been weighing in daily and seen some fluctuations but for the sake of tracking results, I will be using my Saturday morning weigh-ins. I am only saying this because I will not be surprised if some of this is water, as I think I still need to increase calories to be gaining consistently.

baco_bacon

09-04-2010, 11:34 AM

Excellent weight gain so far, and great new progress pics in your bodyspace! Abs are looking diced.

watermelon_2001

09-04-2010, 12:26 PM

Great going on the weight-gain!! You're on your way, man :D

determined4000

09-06-2010, 11:05 AM

5-Sep
chest, tris
bench 110x12 120x8 120x8
brows 40x12 50x6 50x6
incline 100x12 100x12 100x12
tridown 40x12 50x6 50x6
triext 30x15 30x15 40x7 40x6
incline2 110x12 120x8
closedgrip 80x12 90x7 90x7

Felt really beat up after this one and looking forward to an off day on Monday.

Jello fruit mold with CC and vanilla dymatize
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Picture1132.jpg?t=1283795842

CC ice cream
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/CCh/Icecream1.jpg?t=1283795901

More cereal
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1047.jpg?t=1283795954

spinach omelet
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture865.jpg?t=1283796020

No pic: beans, PB sandwich, chicken

Classes start tomorrow but shouldn't be too bad. Might workout at the gym up at school. Scheduled for shoulders/legs.
Enjoying the weather. Last week was brutally hot but right now its been perfect (around 80). May go for a bike or swim this afternoon. FYI-I think the weigh in was flawed due to water. Probably only a 1/2lb. Steadily increasing calories and more carbs and feeling better. We'll see where it puts me next Saturday.
Thanks to all for the support.`

determined4000

09-06-2010, 11:05 AM

Some catching up to do. Busy over the holiday weekend.

4-Sep
Back/Bis
curls 30x12 30x12 30x12 30x12
concencurls 30x12 30x12 30x12 30x12
rows 80x6 80x6 80x6 90x4
pullups 15xbwx2 12x(+10) 12x(+10) 6x(+20) 6x(+20)
deadlifts 160x5 160x8 160x8

Strawberry Whey+ WW Flour
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/Picture1150.jpg?t=1283795390

2 bowls special K
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture1164.jpg?t=1283795441

Oats, 1/4c melted (o yes) PB, cocoa powder
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/bakes/cereal/Picture999.jpg?t=1283795485

A few wraps like so
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/meals/Picture1137.jpg?t=1283795548

Buttered Coli
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/determined4000/veggies/Picture1044.jpg?t=1283795596