Global Warming

[XZV]

so I have never really looked far into global warming i just went with the general consensus that it was true, but I came across this video from the Cassiopeia project that pretty much says there is no evidence to support global warming and the hysteria was based on a questionable computer program any truth to this?

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[AKR]

No, and I don't need to see the video to know that's not true. There is an abundance of evidence from many different sources. The scientists in my state (Alaska) have gathered their own evidence first hand. The environment is changing, it's getting warming, species are dying off, permafrost is melting, and so on. Scientists have gathered data from all over the planet. Almost no one but a few ridiculous conspiracy theorists (who seem to all gather in here) deny that it's happening, even if they don't believe humans are partially responsible.

I suggest you go research this more, looking at a lot of different sources, and no so much ones on youtube, unless they are by a credible source. Know where your information is coming from.


BTW, even the major oil companies have admitted climate change is happening. That should tell you something.

[Large_Emu]

Blobal warming is happening, it's stupid to even try and deniy it, i can understand people being sceptical of man made global warming even though i personally believe that man is contributing to it.


edit - fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!! i mean Global Warming!

[AKR]

Blobal warming is happening, it's stupid to even try and deniy it, i can understand people being sceptical of man made global warming even though i personally believe that man is contributing to it.


Please tell me more about this Blobal warming. ;)

[XZV]

No, and I don't need to see the video to know that's not true. There is an abundance of evidence from many different sources. The scientists in my state (Alaska) have gathered their own evidence first hand. The environment is changing, it's getting warming, species are dying off, permafrost is melting, and so on. Scientists have gathered data from all over the planet. Almost no one but a few ridiculous conspiracy theorists (who seem to all gather in here) deny that it's happening, even if they don't believe humans are partially responsible.

I suggest you go research this more, looking at a lot of different sources, and no so much ones on youtube, unless they are by a credible source. Know where your information is coming from.


BTW, even the major oil companies have admitted climate change is happening. That should tell you something.

I worded my question wrong its on the impact that we humans have on global warming I have no problem with climate change it would be ridiculous to say the earth stays a constant temperature.


Blobal warming is happening, it's stupid to even try and deniy it, i can understand people being sceptical of man made global warming even though i personally believe that man is contributing to it.

i lol'd for some reason

[riptor]

so I have never really looked far into global warming i just went with the general consensus that it was true, but I came across this video from the Cassiopeia project that pretty much says there is no evidence to support global warming and the hysteria was based on a questionable computer program any truth to this?

MVASFcMwTXk

Are you sure this is from the Cassiopeia project? I looked for this on Youtube and couldn't find it. I don't normally watch videos, but if there are any questions you have just ask.

I think this might be part of a series, or the second part of another video. At the beginning it mentions something about "32000" scientists. I suspect this is in reference to the infamous Petition Project. The Petition Project is often used by those who have a poor grasp of the subject as proof that there isn't a scientific consensus on the reality of global warming. In fact, the Petition Project is nothing more than a website where anyone who claims to have a bachelor's degree is automatically promoted to an expert in the area of climate science.

One point I did see in the video is that they claim the arctic ice isn't melting. I don't know where they got that from. They showed a simulation of the arctic ice growing and shrinking, and they concluded that the ice levels were the same. In fact, the volume of ice has been steadily decreasing for thirty years. The area has remained virtually the same, but it isn't as thick as it was a few decades ago.

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[Stizzel]

There is an abundance of evidence from many different sources. The scientists in my state (Florida) have gathered their own evidence first hand. The environment is changing, it's getting colder. Scientists have gathered data from all over the planet. Almost no one but a few ridiculous fundamentalists (who seem to all gather in here) deny that it's happening, even if they don't believe humans are partially responsible.

I suggest you go research this more, looking at a lot of different sources, and no so much ones on youtube, unless they are by a credible source. Know where your information is coming from.


BTW, even the major oil companies claim climate change is happening. That should tell you something.

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lulz that video is a well known bull**** story, it's even a sad excuse for a propaganda movie.

[Shaun_W]

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Didn't that get debunked, like several years ago?

It did, actually. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article1517515.ece

[Bucher15]

Manmade global warming is about as real as a six headed elephant shooting poop bullets out of his tusk killing millions of people

[neonhypoxia]

XZV you seem like a smart kid so this won't be too hard. Most of the energy coming to the surface of the earth is in the form of visible light from the sun. Most of that energy then leaves the earth as infrared going back out into space. Now lets say humans start pumping large amounts of various different gasses into the atmosphere that are clear to visible light so they still let that energy in, but they reflect infrared light very strongly so they don't let that energy back out. What do you think would happen then?

[Bucher15]

Global temperatures began warming from what's been called "The Little Ice Age" around 1905, well before the Industrial Revolution and the advent of power plants, automobiles and the burning of fossil fuels. There is no provable correlation, since that time, between rising global temperatures and human activity. The computer models and data used to prove otherwise have been proved rigged, manipulated and false. The earth has warmed and cooled mildly and dramatically over the course of time and will continue to do so regardless of what mankind does.

The correlation of CO2 to global temperatures is also invalid. CO2 is a naturally occurring trace gas and its amount in the atmosphere is actually inverse to relative warming and cooling. Temperatures, since 2002, have been cooling even as CO2 has modestly risen. Temperature changes lead, not lag CO2 changes on all time scales.

Greenhouse gases comprise only 2 percent of the total atmosphere. Of that 2 percent, only 3.62 percent is CO2 and of that, only 3.4 percent of CO2 is caused by human activity. In the total perspective, that 3.4 percent is miniscule.

Solar activity has the predominant effect on our climate and it changes on cycles of 11 years or longer. Historical temperature changes can be correlated to those cycles. We are now in a period of very low solar activity.
Now matter what we do as a species we cannot change the climate. We don't have the power, but some among us have the arrogance or ignorance to think so. A volcanic eruption can, and has, emitted more pollution in several hours than mankind could generate in decades, and the earth has survived.

Environmentalism has become a belief system, almost a paganistic religion, similar to the ancient Aztec's worship of the sun. Many of our children are being taught to worship the earth and ignore He who created it. Brainwashing, deception and lies must be used by those who will benefit and be enriched from the scam that is "Cap and Trade" based on the hoax that is "Manmade Global Warming."

[Stizzel]

XZV you seem like a smart kid so this won't be too hard. Most of the energy coming to the surface of the earth is in the form of visible light from the sun. Most of that energy then leaves the earth as infrared going back out into space. Now lets say evil dwarves start pumping large amounts of various different gasses into the atmosphere that are clear to visible light so they still let that energy in, but they reflect infrared light very strongly so they don't let that energy back out. What do you think would happen then?

[XZV]

XZV you seem like a smart kid so this won't be too hard. Most of the energy coming to the surface of the earth is in the form of visible light from the sun. Most of that energy then leaves the earth as infrared going back out into space. Now lets say humans start pumping large amounts of various different gasses into the atmosphere that are clear to visible light so they still let that energy in, but they reflect infrared light very strongly so they don't let that energy back out. What do you think would happen then?

well we will heat up lol that was my previous understanding of global warming, I was just curious due to the numbers given in the video as it says C02 is only 1/2500 of the atmosphere and only around 1% of that is man made I guess I was just shocked such a small amount could make such a huge difference

[neonhypoxia]

well we will heat up lol that was my previous understanding of global warming, I was just curious due to the numbers given in the video as it says C02 is only 1/2500 of the atmosphere and only around 1% of that is man made I guess I was just shocked such a small amount could make such a huge difference

Too bad those stats they just gave were dead wrong then. Although I'm not surprised. That's pretty much the main strategy of the denialist, lie through your teeth.

Here is the data from NOAA going back to 1960:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.png

You'll notice the concentration went from under 320ppm to almost 390ppm in fifty years. I'de say that's quite a bit more than just going up that one percent they claimed was man made don't you? More like going up almost one fourth in fifty years and we've been pumping it out on a large scale for over a hundred and fifty so...

But yeah, as you can see they don't mind lieing their *sses off now do they?

EDIT: I forgot to give you the link so you can check out the data yourself. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.html

[hungarian_boss]

It's been proven that the earth heats and cools for the past million years. So it's supposed to stop??

[JoshSP1985]

It's been proven that the earth heats and cools for the past million years. So it's supposed to stop??

This.

People really need to clarify MMGW vs Climate change when they make a statement.


Do I believe the climate is changing? Of course you're a ****tard if you think otherwise.
Do I think man has an impact on this change? Yes
Do I think this man man impact is significant? No

[SwollNMember]

Too bad those stats they just gave were dead wrong then. Although I'm not surprised. That's pretty much the main strategy of the denialist, lie through your teeth.

Here is the data from NOAA going back to 1960:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.png

You'll notice the concentration went from under 320ppm to almost 390ppm in fifty years. I'de say that's quite a bit more than just going up that one percent they claimed was man made don't you? More like going up almost one fourth in fifty years and we've been pumping it out on a large scale for over a hundred and fifty so...

But yeah, as you can see they don't mind lieing their *sses off now do they?

EDIT: I forgot to give you the link so you can check out the data yourself. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.html

Does this chart and the data to support it take into account the massive contribution of CO2 from volcanic activity?

[all pro]

OP decide for yourself,
http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/11/24/doc-drop-climate-gate-alleged-climate-research-unit-cru-leakedhacked-emails/

[neonhypoxia]

Does this chart and the data to support it take into account the massive contribution of CO2 from volcanic activity?

So volcanic output of CO2 has been increasing in an almost perfect linear fashion for the last 50 years? That's what you're trying to say? Really?

[Bucher15]

So volcanic output of CO2 has been increasing in an almost perfect linear fashion for the last 50 years? That's what you're trying to say? Really?

Quit listening to the propaganda and wake up and use some common sense. I think our current president is a prime example of what you get when you listen to media sources such as CNN, MSNBC, etc. and actually believe the BS they spit at you everyday.

[Equalizing]

Op's question;

Answer - No.

[neonhypoxia]

Quit listening to the propaganda and wake up and use some common sense. I think our current president is a prime example of what you get when you listen to media sources such as CNN, MSNBC, etc. and actually believe the BS they spit at you everyday.

I'm sorry, is this coming from the same guy who copypasted an article saying that CO2 has only gone up 3.4%, that the little ice age ended in 1905, that temps have been dropping since 2002, and that the solar cycle which only varies by ~.1% and changes in an extremely regular and repeating patern over 11 years (Which would make a 160 year change pretty impressive)?

Oh, and anyone who gets their science news from watching TV, reading editorials (As is obviously the case with you.), youtube, or pop magazines is a tard. Pick up science journal sometime.

[farquezy]

im surprised this hasnt been posted yet
i love how those who make fun of 9/11 conspiracy theorist think global warming is a conspiracy

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn12/Evilpens/its-a-conspiracy.jpg

[sb327]

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[JuanDenver]

Turns out the globe is actually cooling.

The leading scientists got caught "hiding the decline" so they could get government grants.

Theres a crap load of recent developments concerning the fraud. Try google.


The end.

[riptor]

Global temperatures began warming from what's been called "The Little Ice Age" around 1905, well before the Industrial Revolution and the advent of power plants, automobiles and the burning of fossil fuels. There is no provable correlation, since that time, between rising global temperatures and human activity. The computer models and data used to prove otherwise have been proved rigged, manipulated and false. The earth has warmed and cooled mildly and dramatically over the course of time and will continue to do so regardless of what mankind does.

The so called Little Ice Age began in the 14th century and ended in the mid 19th century, not 1905. It was not a worldwide phenomena, it effected the northern hemisphere and there wasn't a constant time of cold, the temperature fluctuated during that time. The Little Ice Age seems to have been caused by a combination of less solar output, volcanic activity, and changes int the atmosphere and Gulf Stream circulations over the North Atlantic.

The way greenhouse gases work has been known about since the mid 19th century. There are many different lines of evidence that show their effect on climate.

http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/papers-on-laboratory-measurements-of-co2-absorption-properties/

We know that CO2 concentrations have been higher than they have been in over 400,000 years. Measurements taken from the Antarctic ice show that CO2 levels have risen dramatically in the past few centuries.

http://geoweb.princeton.edu/people/bender/lab/downloads/Petit_et_al_1999_copy.pdf
http://www.in-cites.com/papers/Jean-RobertPetit.html

The temperature data has not been rigged. Melkor had a recent thread about this. Recently NOAA checked the surface monitoring stations to make sure they were recording the correct temperatures. To get the correct temperatures, they did alter the data. But they lowered the temperatures, not raised them to account for any possible bias.

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/menne-etal2010.pdf


The correlation of CO2 to global temperatures is also invalid. CO2 is a naturally occurring trace gas and its amount in the atmosphere is actually inverse to relative warming and cooling. Temperatures, since 2002, have been cooling even as CO2 has modestly risen. Temperature changes lead, not lag CO2 changes on all time scales.

Overall the trend is that temperatures are going up, not down.

No one disputes that the earth goes through natural cycles. So far that is all we have to go by. Natural cycles tend to happen slowly (at least in human terms), sometimes taking thousands of years to complete. The CO2 lag is about 800 years, so that just means it couldn't effect the first 800 years of the warming period. There are other things that affect warming too. The warming begins, which causes CO2 to be released which then acts like a feedback loop to increase warming. The CO2 is probably in the oceans and it takes a few centuries for the warming to increase enough to release the CO2. The oceans are a known carbon sink.


Greenhouse gases comprise only 2 percent of the total atmosphere. Of that 2 percent, only 3.62 percent is CO2 and of that, only 3.4 percent of CO2 is caused by human activity. In the total perspective, that 3.4 percent is miniscule.

Just because something is in a small amount it doesn't mean it can't have an effect. Even our current trace greenhouse gases keep the earth from freezing over. Even though it is true that some natural sources do produce more CO2 than human sources, those natural sources are balanced out by natural absorptions. Over time the amount humans produce adds up.


Solar activity has the predominant effect on our climate and it changes on cycles of 11 years or longer. Historical temperature changes can be correlated to those cycles. We are now in a period of very low solar activity.

Even though the sun does have a dramatic effect on climate, it doesn't seem to be the culprit in this case. Until the 1970's the sun was probably one of the main drivers of the warming, but since then the sun's output has decreased but temperatures have continued to rise.

http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/documentation/pressReleases/2004/pressRelease20040802/


Now matter what we do as a species we cannot change the climate. We don't have the power, but some among us have the arrogance or ignorance to think so. A volcanic eruption can, and has, emitted more pollution in several hours than mankind could generate in decades, and the earth has survived.

Volcanoes do not produce more CO2 than humans. According to the USGS, humans emit 130 times more CO2 than do volcanoes.

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php


Environmentalism has become a belief system, almost a paganistic religion, similar to the ancient Aztec's worship of the sun. Many of our children are being taught to worship the earth and ignore He who created it. Brainwashing, deception and lies must be used by those who will benefit and be enriched from the scam that is "Cap and Trade" based on the hoax that is "Manmade Global Warming."

Nice straw man. No one is being taught to worship the earth. I bet you also think that evolution is a massive scientific conspiracy too.

[riptor]

im surprised this hasnt been posted yet
i love how those who make fun of 9/11 conspiracy theorist think global warming is a conspiracy

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn12/Evilpens/its-a-conspiracy.jpg

At least on this site many of the 9/11 truthers also think global warming is a conspiracy too. Many of them also think that evolution is fake, that vaccines cause autism, that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, etc.