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NobbyTheLion
12-16-2009, 02:44 PM
Cheers folks, Hope you're all doing well...


So, 2010 is the year I gain some mass back! While my main focus is Strength & Conditioning, putting that mass back on is almost as important. I am currently around 158, looking to get to the 185-190 neighberhood.

Now everyone knows that the biggest part of putting on the mass is your diet. As I recently finished cutting and learning from past mistakes, I don't want to push it too hard, too fast. I also realize this means gaining at a much slower rate. I also believe this will lead to a higher quality of gains and better ratio of muscles vs. fat. I'm not concerned with being super-ripped or anything, I just don't wanna have a gut or a soft waist. What I'm saying is, right now I'm about 8-9% BF, and I'm looking to stay as lean as I can.

I pretty much stopped counting calories after being around maintenance intake for three weeks. I now just eat sensible and clean, just larger portions. Now I train pretty intense, 6 times per week, sometimes twice daily. looks something like this:

Sunday: Strength & core + finisher (stuff like a couple of intense jump rope intervals or some dumbbell swings)
Monday: Conditioning + isometrics, grip & light core work
Tuesday: Strength & core + finisher
Wednesday: Conditioning + isometrics & grip
Thursday: Strength + core + finisher
Friday: Conditioning (this might be a little less intense than the other sessions) + (optional) isometrics, grip and light core work
Saturday: Active Rest (calisthenics, long walks, play rugby or football with mates)

This is a sample week, so the work varies. I sometimes move workouts around, vary and such. I also used to work the heavy bag alot but I hurt my fingers and knuckles from overuse so I'm backing off on that a little bit...

As you can imagine, this gives me a fairly high maintenance intake. Most calculators I used put me around the 2750-2950 area, with one going up to about 3050. After all this rambling, let me give you a sample day of my diet and ask what I wanted... Am I eating enough to gain? I'm talking 2lbs a month, 2.5-3lbs tops, but still, GAIN!

(I used to train fasted first thing in the morning when I was cutting but I stopped that. If I do train before breakfast I'd usually have a banana and some cottage cheese or yogurt before)


Breakfast:
4 scrambled eggs w/ tomatoes, mushrooms, onions
1 cup of oatmeal w/ 1tbsp of honey, 1 tbsp of natural PB, 1 diced apple or banana, tiny bit of 1% milk, tad of cinnamon and a handful of cranberries

Snack:
1 pear
handful of almonds or walnuts
fishoil capsule
1/2 cup of lowfat cottage cheese
1 cucumber

PWO Shake:
100ml 1% fat milk, 100ml water, 1 cup of crushed ice, 1 scoop of Universal Ultra Whey Pro, 1 Banana, 5 Red grapes, 1-2 dates, 1 dried fig (Farkin' delicious... though I sometimes skip the grapes)

Snack:
2 slices of whole grain bread with approx 1 tbsp of natural PB or almond butter
1 fruit (apple, kiwi, banana, pear... whatever I got around)
some cottage cheese (less than 1/2 cup I think, like I said, I don't count...)

Dinner:
6-7 oz of chicken (I'm guessing since I don't count...)
salad (lettuce, mushrooms, sprouts... the usual stuff)
tomato soup
a couple of dry figs

Snack:
0% fat yogurt (around 400gm) with a handful of almonds, 3-4 strawberries, 1 kiwi and a handful of cranberries


Basically I keep my complex carbs for breakfast and my post workout meal. The rest of the day it's mostly fats and carbs from fruits and veggies.

I should note that I had alot of red meat this week. This doesn't happen often during the week since I'm not home often.


So what do you guys think? I feel like this ain't nearly enough food, even with my lean gains approach. Also, I'm thinking I might have too much conditioning work in there, but that's a slightly different topic. I would appreciate comments and feedback on both though.


Thanks in advance folks, Cheers!

Mr.city
12-16-2009, 02:46 PM
Why would you cut to such a low weight?

overajo
12-16-2009, 02:48 PM
Are you a vegetarian? Unless I missed something I didn't see any kind of meat on there.

EliteExtra
12-16-2009, 02:59 PM
at 158 aim for around 2750-3000kcal and do cardio twice a week MAXIMUM. Excess calories + linear strength progression = big mass gains

depending on your bodytype you can go for a clean bulk or dirty bulk, if your a plain ecto and find it very hard to gain weight then its ok to go on a dirty bulk just watch your waist line, but being an ecto you probably wont gain much fat anyway

NobbyTheLion
12-16-2009, 03:02 PM
Nay, just the way it was today, had chicken for dinner... like I said, had alot of red meat this week too.

Mr. City: Apparantly I had more fat than I thought... I just cut until I was around 8%bf and had lost the fat in my waist...

NobbyTheLion
12-16-2009, 03:04 PM
at 158 aim for around 2750-3000kcal and do cardio twice a week MAXIMUM. Excess calories + linear strength progression = big mass gains

depending on your bodytype you can go for a clean bulk or dirty bulk, if your a plain ecto and find it very hard to gain weight then its ok to go on a dirty bulk just watch your waist line, but being an ecto you probably wont gain much fat anyway

Dunno my bodytype... definately not ecto though... Not an endo either I think though... Meso-Endo probably. I don't want to go on a dirty bulk, I enjoy eating clean. I might have some of my mom's sweets every few weeks and an occassional beer or pizza, but for the most part I keep it clean and I like it :)

NobbyTheLion
12-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Little nodge there, keep this floatin' for a bit...

EliteExtra
12-16-2009, 04:21 PM
Dunno my bodytype... definately not ecto though... Not an endo either I think though... Meso-Endo probably. I don't want to go on a dirty bulk, I enjoy eating clean. I might have some of my mom's sweets every few weeks and an occassional beer or pizza, but for the most part I keep it clean and I like it :)

jus sayin its way easier to get your cals in if you go a bit dirtier. still milk red meat chicken whole eggs brown rice oats yams sweet potatoes are your best friends if your bulking no matter if your clean or dirty

NobbyTheLion
12-16-2009, 06:30 PM
Cheers mate :) I appreciate the feedback. Thank you

NobbyTheLion
12-17-2009, 12:53 AM
Come on folks, give us a hand here. I'll rep useful comments.

Thank you.

NobbyTheLion
12-17-2009, 08:18 AM
Anyone?

bencherinn
12-17-2009, 08:32 AM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=13263447&postcount=34
Read this brah :)
GL
I weight kinda the same as you..I find it kinda hard to follow a diet tho because its hard when you're a teenager ..
You dont have all the kind of food you want , the money , and when you go to a party or to a friend you cant be eating every 2-3 hours if you know what I mean .. But this article should help you ..

henryp123
12-17-2009, 08:36 AM
if i were you mate, i'd eat some more meat! i try to eat it about 3 times aday. chicken, beef, turkey etc. also try afew pints of milk aday

hope this helps

Semoirethe
12-17-2009, 08:41 AM
if i were you mate, i'd eat some more meat! i try to eat it about 3 times aday. chicken, beef, turkey etc. also try afew pints of milk aday

hope this helps

This. Make sure you're getting enough protein. How much saturated fat is in that diet? Looks really low other than the eggs. So if you need more calories just add a few glasses of whole milk.

NobbyTheLion
12-17-2009, 09:10 AM
Cheers folks, Thank you for the comments.

SimLive
12-17-2009, 11:21 AM
I dont understand why your last meal is "0% fat yogurt (around 400gm) with a handful of almonds, 3-4 strawberries, 1 kiwi and a handful of cranberries"

You should be having some slow release protein/casein rather than a load of fruit ( im assuming this is before bed ) If u cant get this then have peanut butter + milk or with a protein shake.

Try and aim for a minimum of 35g protein in each meal so your getting a minimum of 220g of protein per day. and plenty of carbs to keep your energy levels up, i'd suggest banana's rather than having useless **** like " 1 cup of crushed ice " WTF is that about lol :S. And whatever comes ontop of that is a bonus.

And if your working out 6 times a week, make sure your having a very minimum of 3,000 calories per day preferably more.

Semoirethe
12-17-2009, 11:23 AM
I dont understand why your last meal is "0% fat yogurt (around 400gm) with a handful of almonds, 3-4 strawberries, 1 kiwi and a handful of cranberries"

You should be having some slow release protein/casein rather than a load of fruit ( im assuming this is before bed ) If u cant get this then have peanut butter + milk or with a protein shake.

Try and aim for a minimum of 35g protein in each meal so your getting a minimum of 220g of protein per day. and plenty of carbs to keep your energy levels up, i'd suggest banana's rather than having useless things like " 1 cup of crushed ice " WTF is that about lol :S. And whatever comes ontop of that is a bonus.


He just needs 158g of protein going by the rule of thumb. Yes more protein isn't a waste but he doesn't need 220g a day.

SimLive
12-17-2009, 11:25 AM
He just needs 158g of protein going by the rule of thumb. Yes more protein isn't a waste but he doesn't need 220g a day.

no, someone who's training intensly 6 times a week needs a minimum of 1.5x their bodyweight.

NobbyTheLion
12-17-2009, 01:17 PM
The ice makes it taste like icecream... trust me, I have plenty of bananas :).


Listen guys, I don't go into counting my calories or how many grams of protein I take in each day. I just eat protein with every meal, and since I know how much there is in most things, I try to get atleast 20 gram per meal, but I don't actually count it. I just eat a balanced meal until I'm full.

I do however, appreciate your opinions on the matter.