Calling all OL'ers......:)

[scott_donald]

http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/starting_strength_series_--_jim_wendler/

dont know how many have seen that...

also who are they taking about in part 4... cant find the spelling of his name!!!

[J.L.C.]

Yeah, there are rules for each individual lift. If you snatch a lift in the clean and jerk, it will be turned down. The rules state that the clean and jerk must be two distinct lifts. There are ways to disqualify a clean and jerk besides not getting it overhead. If your elbows touch your knees in the clean, no lift, if you press out the jerk, no lift, if you dip and don't jerk, then try again, no lift. Those are the ones at the top of my head.

These

also, in the clean the bar must go from floor to shoulders in one motion with no pauses i.e.; you can't pause/hesitate at the hang position and then complete the lift, it will be turned down.

[boykid28]

Yeah, there are rules for each individual lift. If you snatch a lift in the clean and jerk, it will be turned down. The rules state that the clean and jerk must be two distinct lifts. There are ways to disqualify a clean and jerk besides not getting it overhead. If your elbows touch your knees in the clean, no lift, if you press out the jerk, no lift, if you dip and don't jerk, then try again, no lift. Those are the ones at the top of my head.

man! r u sure about the elbow touching the legs part? i never knew that one. but what about if someone power/half squat clean it?

[King922]

man! r u sure about the elbow touching the legs part? i never knew that one. but what about if someone power/half squat clean it?

2.4 INCORRECT MOVEMENTS AND POSITIONS FOR ALL LIFTS

2.4.1 Pulling from the hang.

2.4.2 Touching the platform with any part of the body other than the feet.

2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms, at the finish of the lift.

2.4.4 Pause during the extension of the arms.

2.4.5 Finishing with a press-out.

2.4.6 Bending and extending the elbows during the recovery.

2.4.7 Leaving the platform during the execution of the lift, i.e. touching the area
outside the platform with any part of the body.

2.4.8 Replacing the barbell on the platform before the referees' signal

2.4.9 Dropping the barbell after the referees' signal.

2.4.10 Failing to finish with the feet and the barbell in line and parallel to the plane of the trunk.

2.4.11 Failing to replace the complete barbell on the platform, i.e. the complete
barbell must first touch the platform.

2.5 INCORRECT MOVEMENTS FOR THE SNATCH

2.5.1 Pause during the lifting of the barbell.

2.5.2 Touching the head of the lifter with the bar.



2.6 INCORRECT MOVEMENTS FOR THE CLEAN

2.6.1 Placing the bar on the chest before turning the elbows.

2.6.2 Touching the thighs or the knees with the elbows or the upper arms.



2.7 INCORRECT MOVEMENTS FOR THE JERK

2.7.1 Any apparent effort of jerking which is not completed. This includes lowering the body or bending the knees.

2.7.2 Any deliberate oscillation of the barbell to gain advantage. The athlete and the barbell have to become motionless before starting the jerk.

[scott_donald]

man! r u sure about the elbow touching the legs part? i never knew that one. but what about if someone power/half squat clean it?

very it happened to one of the lifters in the euros last month...

[olyw8lifter]

Yes, I see it at least once a year. I have also been called on it once.

You are allowed to catch a clean where ever you want, power, half-squat, full squat, wherever.

[gbg]

So this morning I was doing snatches which always were a thorn in my side, they got in my head and always effected my lift.

Today I went in with absolutely no hesitations and I nailed one with speed I have never felt before! it was like the bar was in mid air.....sweeet:D

So much of Ol'ing is mental it's unreal.

[hazard52003]

So this morning I was doing snatches which always were a thorn in my side, they got in my head and always effected my lift.

Today I went in with absolutely no hesitations and I nailed one with speed I have never felt before! it was like the bar was in mid air.....sweeet:D

So much of Ol'ing is mental it's unreal.

I agree. I have a mental block on snatches right now and it sucks. just need to go in with confidence and hit the weights because i know I can do it, i just need to get my head in the game and execute.

[endpoint]

http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/starting_strength_series_--_jim_wendler/

dont know how many have seen that...

also who are they taking about in part 4... cant find the spelling of his name!!!

3nJrYPVJ88M

or U3Gr-5AUs6E

[scott_donald]

3nJrYPVJ88M

or U3Gr-5AUs6E

hmmm dam thats some good lifts... but its a russian guys who deads.

[endpoint]

hmmm dam thats some good lifts... but its a russian guys who deads.
I think this is what you are talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Konstantinovs
The guy who deadlifts 900+ does heaps of pullups???? Is that the one?


Have to watch it again but they spoke about this guy as well:

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[scott_donald]

I think this is what you are talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Konstantinovs
The guy who deadlifts 900+ does heaps of pullups???? Is that the one?


Have to watch it again but they spoke about this guy as well:

z0Cpf9OcTWg

thats it thanks...

[endpoint]

thats it thanks...

Good. I watched the video earlier today whilst i was doing something else, I dont know who else they mentioned

[hazard52003]

I think this is what you are talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Konstantinovs
The guy who deadlifts 900+ does heaps of pullups???? Is that the one?



omg. That guy is a MONSTER. wow.

[boykid28]

[QUOTE=endpoint;486120631]3nJrYPVJ88M






that clean & press is amazing. f'n sick.

morning everyone.

[boykid28]

just did a snatch session. pssing me off. i can hit the 80% of max range but i cant hit90%+ on a daily basis. i want to but my form breaks down or i cant catch the weight whenever i hit 90% snatch.
bout to do a clean & jerk session in a few.

[scott_donald]

just did a snatch session. pssing me off. i can hit the 80% of max range but i cant hit90%+ on a daily basis. i want to but my form breaks down or i cant catch the weight whenever i hit 90% snatch.
bout to do a clean & jerk session in a few.

well simple answer to that is reps... do the 80% over and over to get the form perfect then nudge it up to higher percentages...

[crackyflipside]

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[crackyflipside]

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[scott_donald]

pic fail!!!

[crackyflipside]

pic fail!!!

I see them fine :/

[scott_donald]

I see them fine :/

i get blue question marks...

[Fury22]

Sup Oly Section?

Today I am officially a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army.

[scott_donald]

Sup Oly Section?

Today I am officially a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army.

wow wicked... congratulations!!!

[hazard52003]

pic fail!!!

i cant see them either.


Sup Oly Section?

Today I am officially a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army.

congrats! thank you for serving!

[Crematia]

i cant see them either.



congrats! thank you for serving!


This to both things....can't see pics and grats.

[olyw8lifter]

This to both things....can't see pics and grats.

Ditto to both!!! :D

[crackyflipside]

Fixed (I hope)

[gbg]

Sup Oly Section?

Today I am officially a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army.
Congratulations Sir!

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd12/sanna45/salute.gif

[scott_donald]

nice pics... when were they done???

[boykid28]

Sup Oly Section?

Today I am officially a 2nd Lieutenant in the US Army.


congrats man.

[crackyflipside]

nice pics... when were they done???

2007; can't find out the article. It was something for Beijing.

[someonefat]

ahh ripped my first callus today ever lifting, and happened during a power snatch. Never torn callus doing deadlis or bent over rows ext. But man the speed when moving weight like in the snatch hands get beat up.


Great feeling doing snatch though its like when do the lift with decent form doesn't even feel like you had to really try everything just fires at once and bar is up over your head in one movement.

like in squat bench or deadlift have to really strain to get a big lift and feel it in muscles a lot. Yet with the oly lifts when hit a big lift happens so quickly don't even really feel like your trying its weird but cool feeling.

[endpoint]

Got the John Broz blues

[gbg]

Got the John Broz blues

Cry to John about it.

:D

[endpoint]

Cry to John about it.

:D

I did

[endpoint]

Cry to John about it.

:D

I got the sweat pit blues as well.

[gbg]

I got the sweat pit blues as well.

What's wrong?

[endpoint]

What's wrong?

working through it with flustre but I will PM you

[scott_donald]

ahh ripped my first callus today ever lifting, and happened during a power snatch. Never torn callus doing deadlis or bent over rows ext. But man the speed when moving weight like in the snatch hands get beat up.


Great feeling doing snatch though its like when do the lift with decent form doesn't even feel like you had to really try everything just fires at once and bar is up over your head in one movement.

like in squat bench or deadlift have to really strain to get a big lift and feel it in muscles a lot. Yet with the oly lifts when hit a big lift happens so quickly don't even really feel like your trying its weird but cool feeling.

a love it when snatch clicks and it just floats into place...

[fatdaddy67]

John chose to pick fights with people on FI, the Oly section here, and GoHeavy (oh, and a couple of other sites that I forget the name of just now). He also insults people on YouTube and acts like he's infallible there, too. He carries a chip on his shoulder, is insulting, refuses to listen to any contrary opinions, and comes across like he thinks he is god. The PL forum here is the only place that he'll stay, because it's (mostly) a bunch of impressionable, inexperienced powerlifters with no knowledge about Olympic lifting whatsoever fellating him and stroking his ego, telling him he's a genius and the savior of American lifting, etc etc etc.

The guy's been coaching just over ONE year, has 2 awesome lifters that he recruited after they already had proven they were perhaps the strongest teenagers in the country. Mendes hasn't come within 25kg of his best gym lifts in a meet, and is pretty much always injured, according to reports from Broz himself and others who have been to his gym. Adell, Broz has said in his thread, hasn't even completely committed to Oly lifting, and juggles football alongside it, which reinforces the point that he's not even training "Bulgarian" style regularly and is simply perhaps one of the strongest kids in the country. He also failed to come remotely close to his gym lifts in a meet, and of course had excuses ready after Juniors.

That's all fine, since every lifter has injuries and doesn't always lift up to potential, but... Broz acts like a dick and treats people like garbage wherever he posts (unless they stroke his ego and fellate him repeatedly), and apparently can't engage reasonable, intelligent Olympic lifters or coaches in any sort of debate or productive discussion. In other words, he's your basic 14-year-old Internet idiot, who happens to be 41 and in charge of some really fantastic, amazing lifters.

To treat him like some sort of programming god and censor any dissent is ridiculous, immature, and insulting to the rest of us.

I repeat: give Mendes and Adell to any reasonably competent coach in this country and let them train them for a year. Do you really think they'd be lifting any less than they already are? If so, how much less and why? What specifically is Broz doing differently that makes his methods more effective? Perhaps another coach could have kept Mendes healthy the whole year and he'd be JERKING 240 by now.

Just sayin' :)

Amen.

I tried to bring a balance to the Broz training influence on my forum and Broz came over and attacked me. He had no interest in talking man to man about applications for powerlifting, the eccentrics aspects of powerlifting training versus Olynmpic lifting, etc. The only thing he did was insult me...

I have been treated better by 12 year olds. I simply tried to balance the conversation about powerlifting applications and was insulted.

I realize he isn't a powerlifting coach, but our discussion was about powerlifting. He stepped in and ran his mouth, literally calling everyone from Simmons to Wendler foolish.

[scott_donald]

Amen.

I tried to bring a balance to the Broz training influence on my forum and Broz came over and attacked me. He had no interest in talking man to man about applications for powerlifting, the eccentrics aspects of powerlifting training versus Olynmpic lifting, etc. The only thing he did was insult me...

I have been treated better by 12 year olds. I simply tried to balance the conversation about powerlifting applications and was insulted.

I realize he isn't a powerlifting coach, but our discussion was about powerlifting. He stepped in and ran his mouth, literally calling everyone from Simmons to Wendler foolish.

i have spoken to him quite a bit on pms and he seems a nice guy and open to discussion i just think he flies off the handle sometimes...

[GoJu]

addel keeps getting stronger and stronger!


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[crackyflipside]

i have spoken to him quite a bit on pms and he seems a nice guy and open to discussion i just think he flies off the handle sometimes...

Imagine you trained and lived with a 5-time world record holder and his program transformed you into a monster and then you repeated that same process with other lifters. It would be very hard to not look at other programs critically.

[crackyflipside]

addel keeps getting stronger and stronger!


fItviCZWxXg

Nah, he's overtraining and getting weaker, same thing with Glenn Pendlay's lifters. The three guys he's sending to the Pan Ams are definitely overtrained. Don't make me start with all these Chinese and Kazakh lifters. The higher numbers are just an illusion.

Since switching to an american periodisation program my snatch has dropped 15kg and I feel definitely undertrained so I must be on the right track!

[GoJu]

Nah, he's overtraining and getting weaker, same thing with Glenn Pendlay's lifters. The three guys he's sending to the Pan Ams are definitely overtrained. Don't make me start with all these Chinese and Kazakh lifters. The higher numbers are just an illusion.

Since switching to an american periodisation program my snatch has dropped 15kg and I feel definitely undertrained so I must be on the right track!

don't worry in a year when you lift something over 80% you'll be able to do it fresh and you'll make a big pr! if you don't you need to work on your technique since it's obviously not ingrained with the heavy weights no point in going heavy ever if its not ingrained like walking! more work with the bar, shoott a broomstick would be better wouldn't want you working too hard too many days a week! actual training that works is only for the pros, are you a pro? didn't think so

[GoJu]

Amen.

I tried to bring a balance to the Broz training influence on my forum and Broz came over and attacked me. He had no interest in talking man to man about applications for powerlifting, the eccentrics aspects of powerlifting training versus Olynmpic lifting, etc. The only thing he did was insult me...

I have been treated better by 12 year olds. I simply tried to balance the conversation about powerlifting applications and was insulted.

I realize he isn't a powerlifting coach, but our discussion was about powerlifting. He stepped in and ran his mouth, literally calling everyone from Simmons to Wendler foolish.

a big/famous name doesn't get you a free pass from saying stupid things which wendler and simmons have said before (cough foam roller in bench shirt cough), not saying they are stupid though and this can apply to broz as well definetly, but i'll give an example isaac newton was the smartest to walk planet or so his reputation goes I have no problems calling a crazy sob since he drank mercury in alchemy experiments see what I did there

[J.L.C.]

Yep that's the way it goes.

You either max 3 times a day, every day, or only go over 80% once a year (cuz that's how periodization works).

Obviously only one method is the "right" method, and it's right for EVERYONE; whether they are elite or have only been doing the lifts for 3 months - there is only one way to train weightlifting!! Although it would still be interesting to see what "the method" will do for guys who aren't the strongest in the country before training that way...

There is no in between!!






Gimme a break

:rolleyes:

[scott_donald]

here we go again!!! look back to last weekend!!!

[GoJu]

Yep that's the way it goes.

You either max 3 times a day, every day, or only go over 80% once a year (cuz that's how periodization works).

Obviously only one method is the "right" method, and it's right for EVERYONE; whether they are elite or have only been doing the lifts for 3 months - there is only one way to train weightlifting!! Although it would still be interesting to see what "the method" will do for guys who aren't the strongest in the country before training that way...

There is no in between!!






Gimme a break

:rolleyes:

wow I was training with the strongest guy in the country for like a year and a half and I never knew cracky why didn't you tell me?!

[crackyflipside]

here we go again!!! look back to last weekend!!!

C'mon, we love to argue!

JLC I'm not saying there's only one method. All I'm saying is you need to do the full competition lifts and you need to them heavy frequently. The snatch more so than the clean and jerk.



Extreme end of spectrum: My current coach says only max at competition every 12 weeks. This program has only worked most noticeably for one lifter, Robert Murphy. Everything is assistance, once a week do one of the competition lifts to less than max.

Middle ground: LSUS. Max out every Saturday with various rep ranges in the competition lifts, rest of week is maxing high rep ranges in assistance lifts. Kendrick Farris is a prime example.

Middle ground level 2: Chinese. Always max out on squats and once or twice a week max out competition lifts, rest of week is slightly less than max assistance work in low reps. Hypertrophy assistance included.

Extreme end level 1: Glenn Pendlay. Max out competition lifts and back squats nearly every day, do some volume after each. Assistance work included. Some hypertrophy assistance. Look at Caleb Ward, Jon North, and Donny Shankle for results.

Extreme end level 2: Broz. Max out competition lifts every day and back squat, do a ton of volume after. No assistance work. Very little hypertrophy assistance. Pat Mendes and Rob Adell.

Extreme end level infinity: Modern Abadjiev. Max out only snatch and clean and jerk. Only perform front squat to max with no back squats. No volume after just more and more maximum sessions. The last Bulgarians trained by Abadjiev; a few american lifters when he came to US.

[J.L.C.]

wow I was training with the strongest guy in the country for like a year and a half and I never knew cracky why didn't you tell me?!

You trained with Adell? Or was it Mendes?


C'mon, we love to argue!

JLC I'm not saying there's only one method. All I'm saying is you need to do the full competition lifts and you need to them heavy frequently. The snatch more so than the clean and jerk.

Sorry, I should have quoted who I was addressing (not you). I love how well-versed you are with a variety of approaches, and that you actually try them out. I also like how you're not nearly as adamant or disciple-like as others, even though you personal experience with these methods.

Let's call it "debating" - makes it sound more civil :)

[gbg]

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[GoJu]

You trained with Adell? Or was it Mendes?



w/ cracky

[gbg]

w/ cracky


Cracky cracks cashews by the seashore.

[GoJu]

Cracky cracks cashews by the seashore.

he does actually

[gbg]

he does actually

Does he crack them with his crack?

[Sit]

Fact of the matter is that the only thing that counts is your current competition total.

And if your current comp total increases 5kg from training light periodization rarely hitting heavy lifts do that.

If you try heavy balls to the wall and your total goes down 5kg don`t do it

The opposite applies.

Then if you try a middle ground and add 8kg to your total do that.

ect ect


cliffs:
-experiment
-stick with what works
???????
-argue with people with other training philosophies

[crackyflipside]

Does he crack them with his crack?

I crack them in between my traps.

[hazard52003]

cliffs:
-experiment
-stick with what works
???????
-argue with people with other training philosophies

Quoted for truth x1012098418904789174389

[Korr]

Fact of the matter is that the only thing that counts is your current competition total.

And if your current comp total increases 5kg from training light periodization rarely hitting heavy lifts do that.

If you try heavy balls to the wall and your total goes down 5kg don`t do it

The opposite applies.

Then if you try a middle ground and add 8kg to your total do that.

ect ect


cliffs:
-experiment
-stick with what works
???????
-argue with people with other training philosophies

^^This

[gbg]

Morning fml:)

Been working on my snatch and it's getting better, still not as confidant doing it as c&j's but an improvement.

Hope everyone's having a good weekend:)

[Marc27Default]

Finally snatched 235 lbs! I have made extremely close attempts with 235 and 240 for a month. I even locked out 240 twice overhead and dropped it before standing all the way up. I haven't posted in a while but other recent PRs include an easy 305 behind neck jerk, 405 double overhand deadlift (no straps), a double overhand 605 4 inch pull from blocks (no straps), and a 325 back squat. I was really surprised with my grip strength on the pulls. I hooked gripped the 605 and held it for a few seconds at the top. Grip strength definitely not a limiting factor. I always wondered why people complained of pain with hook grip, I never had a problem with it. The rack pulls DID hurt though lol, and discolored my thumbs and wore a patch raw on my palms. I don't think I will plan on ever staggering my grip with deadlifts as long as hooking gets me by. I don't like asymmetry in lifting lol.

[Marc27Default]

ahh ripped my first callus today ever lifting, and happened during a power snatch.

Yet with the oly lifts when hit a big lift happens so quickly don't even really feel like your trying its weird but cool feeling.

I always cringe at callus injuries. Yuch!

I know what you mean about the lifts. Obviously you are exerting hard, but it's too short to feel uncomfortable and by the time you get under the bar it's like you already forgot what happened. Cleans are different, I get under the bar and then try for like 10 seconds to stand up. That's when it feels like I am trying lol.

[gbg]

Finally snatched 235 lbs! I have made extremely close attempts with 235 and 240 for a month. I even locked out 240 twice overhead and dropped it before standing all the way up. I haven't posted in a while but other recent PRs include an easy 305 behind neck jerk, 405 double overhand deadlift (no straps), a double overhand 605 4 inch pull from blocks (no straps), and a 325 back squat. I was really surprised with my grip strength on the pulls. I hooked gripped the 605 and held it for a few seconds at the top. Grip strength definitely not a limiting factor. I always wondered why people complained of pain with hook grip, I never had a problem with it. The rack pulls DID hurt though lol, and discolored my thumbs and wore a patch raw on my palms. I don't think I will plan on ever staggering my grip with deadlifts as long as hooking gets me by. I don't like asymmetry in lifting lol.

Snatching 235, hmmmm.....I can't even fathom that!

nice work.

[someonefat]

I always cringe at callus injuries. Yuch!

I know what you mean about the lifts. Obviously you are exerting hard, but it's too short to feel uncomfortable and by the time you get under the bar it's like you already forgot what happened. Cleans are different, I get under the bar and then try for like 10 seconds to stand up. That's when it feels like I am trying lol.

yeah feel same way due to the weight load being much more in clean, also its two parts so when all that weight resting on your shoulders you feel it and nervous 'like **** this is heavy now have to drive it overhead'

yet with snatch weight usually not huge amount-compared to your strength- and you can usually stand up with any weight you can get over head.-assuming caught in balanced position- Plus its a faster lift due to moving the weight greater distance so feel it even less.

[someonefat]

Finally snatched 235 lbs! I have made extremely close attempts with 235 and 240 for a month. I even locked out 240 twice overhead and dropped it before standing all the way up. I haven't posted in a while but other recent PRs include an easy 305 behind neck jerk, 405 double overhand deadlift (no straps), a double overhand 605 4 inch pull from blocks (no straps), and a 325 back squat. I was really surprised with my grip strength on the pulls. I hooked gripped the 605 and held it for a few seconds at the top. Grip strength definitely not a limiting factor. I always wondered why people complained of pain with hook grip, I never had a problem with it. The rack pulls DID hurt though lol, and discolored my thumbs and wore a patch raw on my palms. I don't think I will plan on ever staggering my grip with deadlifts as long as hooking gets me by. I don't like asymmetry in lifting lol.

wow I'd expect with those #'s like 235snatch and 300+ btn jerk you would have atleast around 405 squat. You must have some crazy explosive power, good lifts.

Well hook grip was really painful for a few weeks but then again everyone has different levels of pain tolerance ext. But when adrenalin pumping when lifting big weight you tend to not forget about the minor thumb pain heh.

[Marc27Default]

wow I'd expect with those #'s like 235snatch and 300+ btn jerk you would have atleast around 405 squat. You must have some crazy explosive power, good lifts.

I have very poor leverages in the squat. I am very weak at parallel due to my long femurs. I never get pinned at the bottom, I seem to rise up fast till above parallel then get stuck. Once I get past the sticking point I can then pop the weight up off my shoulders, hence the behind neck jerk. For example check out this vid with 317.5 lol. Aside from leverage issues, I wonder if half squats or goodmornings might strengthen that area? Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?

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[someonefat]

might try having the bar little lower on traps to help your leverage. Maybe little wider also, though yeah odd your squat is low in comparison to your btn jerk and snatch and even clean-saw your old video of 260 easy clean your probably good for over 300.

[Sit]

Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?

QlAzzK3cZxc

Think more the other way, you could narrow that stance a bit bro

[Korr]

I For example check out this vid with 317.5 lol. Aside from leverage issues, I wonder if half squats or goodmornings might strengthen that area? Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?



For one it would help if you spent less time preparing with the actually weight on you. Mentally prepare yourself before you lift the weight. Half squats? No forget that nonsense. If you want a better squat then squat. Prioritize them and really hammer the volume.

[GqArtguy]

I have very poor leverages in the squat. I am very weak at parallel due to my long femurs. I never get pinned at the bottom, I seem to rise up fast till above parallel then get stuck. Once I get past the sticking point I can then pop the weight up off my shoulders, hence the behind neck jerk. For example check out this vid with 317.5 lol. Aside from leverage issues, I wonder if half squats or goodmornings might strengthen that area? Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?

QlAzzK3cZxc


Strengthening the lower back via GMs will help with that sticking point.

[Fury22]

Last week was awesome!

Commissioned on Thursday
Hit a 205 Snatch, 250 C&J, then 255 C&J on Friday
Graduated Saturday
Lake Sunday

Now I'm just sitting around waiting to leave!

[scott_donald]

where you going to be stationed fury???

[scott_donald]

I have very poor leverages in the squat. I am very weak at parallel due to my long femurs. I never get pinned at the bottom, I seem to rise up fast till above parallel then get stuck. Once I get past the sticking point I can then pop the weight up off my shoulders, hence the behind neck jerk. For example check out this vid with 317.5 lol. Aside from leverage issues, I wonder if half squats or goodmornings might strengthen that area? Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?

QlAzzK3cZxc

i am the complete opposite o you... so easy past parallel but i get stuck in the hole!!!

[hazard52003]

Hey guys I made a quick video of my front squat and back squat depth today. id appreciate any comments.

p.s. watch at your own risk. I forgot to rotate the videos in movie maker. I take no responsibility if you hurt your neck by watching it sideways.

6-MVq6sBE84

personally i think the front was pretty good, but my back needs some work. torso more upright and another few inches of depth.

[scott_donald]

Hey guys I made a quick video of my front squat and back squat form and depth today. id appreciate any comments.

p.s. watch at your own risk. I forgot to rotate the videos in movie maker. I take no responsibility if you hurt your neck by watching it sideways.

6-MVq6sBE84

personally i think the front was pretty good, but my back needs some work. torso more upright and another few inches of depth.


looks good enough to me... but could be the 45 degree i watched it at!!!

[scott_donald]

woo hoo... i snatched with good form 70kg today!!! finally getting the groove of dipping under to catch!!!

[someonefat]

Hey guys I made a quick video of my front squat and back squat form and depth today. id appreciate any comments.

p.s. watch at your own risk. I forgot to rotate the videos in movie maker. I take no responsibility if you hurt your neck by watching it sideways.

6-MVq6sBE84

personally i think the front was pretty good, but my back needs some work. torso more upright and another few inches of depth.

wouldn't have my arms out like that for front squat

I would not have my hands out like that for the back squat

little butt wink on both even with the low weight, would get worse with heavy weight got to keep yourself more tight in the bottom. Depth as perfectly fine not sure why think your going to get few more inches that looked as deep as your body naturally could go right now.

that weight was WEAK for you, hard to tell form problems with such easy weight you could probably rep out 50x.

[hazard52003]

wouldn't have my arms out like that for front squat

I would not have my hands out like that for the back squat

little butt wink on both even with the low weight, would get worse with heavy weight got to keep yourself more tight in the bottom. Depth as perfectly fine not sure why think your going to get few more inches that looked as deep as your body naturally could go right now.

that weight was WEAK for you, hard to tell form problems with such easy weight you could probably rep out 50x.

I was just goofing around with the hand positions. I do not normally squat like that. I was more or less just testing my flexibility with this video, because I am always trying to improve it.

thank you for the feedback.

[Fury22]

So I just found out that people in the nutrition section have a near fundamentally religious attachment to oatmeal. Apparently Paleo is not tolerated.

[Crematia]

So I just found out that people in the nutrition section have a near fundamentally religious attachment to oatmeal. Apparently Paleo is not tolerated.

Got the old OATZ N' SQUATZ! didja?

Watched my first competition Saturday, learned a lot. I saw someone get a red light for elbows hitting the knees on a clean & jerk. Think I *finally* figured out the numerous things I'm doing wrong with snatches (most of it was back position and lifting initially with my arms instead of legs). Now to just properly execute it. Have a good day everyone!

Off to make my oatmeal. :p

[boykid28]

I have very poor leverages in the squat. I am very weak at parallel due to my long femurs. I never get pinned at the bottom, I seem to rise up fast till above parallel then get stuck. Once I get past the sticking point I can then pop the weight up off my shoulders, hence the behind neck jerk. For example check out this vid with 317.5 lol. Aside from leverage issues, I wonder if half squats or goodmornings might strengthen that area? Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?

QlAzzK3cZxc



the sticking point is always the hardest. just keep doing full squats to strengthen that area or do isometric holds at that joint angle (i dont fully recommend it but it does help though at the cost of speed).still nice squat



Hey guys I made a quick video of my front squat and back squat depth today. id appreciate any comments.

p.s. watch at your own risk. I forgot to rotate the videos in movie maker. I take no responsibility if you hurt your neck by watching it sideways.

6-MVq6sBE84

personally i think the front was pretty good, but my back needs some work. torso more upright and another few inches of depth.




nice form. u r taller so it is a little different doing squats then a shorter person.


morning everyone. havent been on in a while. snatch's have been down this week cause i have been doing some sprints and my hamstrings tighten up.

[Fury22]

Got the old OATZ N' SQUATZ! didja?

Watched my first competition Saturday, learned a lot. I saw someone get a red light for elbows hitting the knees on a clean & jerk. Think I *finally* figured out the numerous things I'm doing wrong with snatches (most of it was back position and lifting initially with my arms instead of legs). Now to just properly execute it. Have a good day everyone!

Off to make my oatmeal. :p

Haha, yeah I got flamed and negged for saying oatmeal was a worthless food. In my opinion it is. All of the nutrients is oatmeal I can get elsewhere in better amounts and without the lectin and unnecessary carbs.

ANYWAY

I was doing that today and it was driving me nuts!! @ 250 I could clean it, but kept hitting my left elbow on my knee. I've noticed that when I do this it's always my left elbow. I breezed though 225-235-245 without a belt. A lot of it is just mental, i.e. concentrating on keeping my elbows up and not getting lazy in the hole. I do the same thing on snatches which causes me to miss.

Overall today was great though! I Snatched 200 without straps for the first time, breezed through 185/190/195, got 200 with no straps on the first attempt.

Just polished off a dinner of NY strip topped with onions and a scrambled egg and bacon, bit of steamed potatoes and milk.

MAN FOOD.

[Jerking_Off]

Hai there Oly section. I like this thread.

Oly lifting ftw!

9sN_MS9Sx_o

[Blizzard589]

This seems to be a good place to ask a general question that I don't want to make a thread about...

Question:

Why do PLing and Strongman get lumped together in the same forum and why is Oly lifting a sub forum of that?

[gbg]

This seems to be a good place to ask a general question that I don't want to make a thread about...

Question:

Why do PLing and Strongman get lumped together in the same forum and why is Oly lifting a sub forum of that?

There's not enough traffic for strongman, target for spam bots.

[scott_donald]

This seems to be a good place to ask a general question that I don't want to make a thread about...

Question:

Why do PLing and Strongman get lumped together in the same forum and why is Oly lifting a sub forum of that?

i have tried to get the o section ont he front page but powers that be dont want it there... say its fine where it is...

but after a while of annoying them...

they said yes but then the problem was the threads may get lost etc when the forum is moved so they were scared to do it...

[Blizzard589]

There's not enough traffic for strongman, target for spam bots.


i have tried to get the o section ont he front page but powers that be dont want it there... say its fine where it is...

but after a while of annoying them...

they said yes but then the problem was the threads may get lost etc when the forum is moved so they were scared to do it...

I see. Thanks for the replies. I would definitely train some strongman lifts if there was a reasonably priced strongman gym in my area. Or if I had some space to put all the equipment I would need.

[hazard52003]

One of my friends from back home who I have known since elementary school and I consider to be a good friend even though I haven't spoken with him a lot in the past few years is become a personal trainer at a crossfit gym. This kid has always been athletic, but hes also always been kinda fat. I guess he has lost close to like 75-100 pounds while on crossfit, so props to him, that is VERY impressive and i am VERY happy for him. (to me this is proof that crossfit can work, they just suck at the quick lifts)

Recently he sent me one of those facebook page things for his crossfit gym, and I clicked it just to check it out. Some of the videos are pretty good, it seems like most of the clients for their gym are kinda out of shape middle aged moms and dads who work. BUT the thing I have noticed is any O-lift they do is with absolutely HORRENDOUS technique. (what else is new crossfit?) I have also seem vids of him doing cleans, and they are not bad, but the needs some serious help as well.

Should I send him an e-mail telling him his form and his clients forms sucks? and that I need to come help him? or should I just keep my trap shut?

[scott_donald]

i would try...

[slowman41]

I have very poor leverages in the squat. I am very weak at parallel due to my long femurs. I never get pinned at the bottom, I seem to rise up fast till above parallel then get stuck. Once I get past the sticking point I can then pop the weight up off my shoulders, hence the behind neck jerk. For example check out this vid with 317.5 lol. Aside from leverage issues, I wonder if half squats or goodmornings might strengthen that area? Or a change in form, i.e. wider stance?

QlAzzK3cZxc

looks like your hips rise a little faster than your upper body coming out of the hole. Try keeping your back at the same angle when you're coming up.

[slowman41]

Recently he sent me one of those facebook page things for his crossfit gym, and I clicked it just to check it out. Some of the videos are pretty good, it seems like most of the clients for their gym are kinda out of shape middle aged moms and dads who work. BUT the thing I have noticed is any O-lift they do is with absolutely HORRENDOUS technique. (what else is new crossfit?) I have also seem vids of him doing cleans, and they are not bad, but the needs some serious help as well.

Should I send him an e-mail telling him his form and his clients forms sucks? and that I need to come help him? or should I just keep my trap shut?

Theres a crossfitter at my gym with the same issues, absolutely horrible form (up on toes on front squats somehow, like 1/8th ROM on everything). It pains me to watch him workout with that form, but at the same time he has prob close to 100lbs more on the bar than I use (insert "I could rep that much doing 1/8th squats too probably" here).

I have wanted to say something, but at the same time I feel like its almost best to not be "that guy". Also, the general consensus is that crossfitters have somewhat of an elitist attitude, and would probably only listen to other crossfit people.

[hazard52003]

Theres a crossfitter at my gym with the same issues, absolutely horrible form (up on toes on front squats somehow, like 1/8th ROM on everything). It pains me to watch him workout with that form, but at the same time he has prob close to 100lbs more on the bar than I use (insert "I could rep that much doing 1/8th squats too probably" here).

I have wanted to say something, but at the same time I feel like its almost best to not be "that guy". Also, the general consensus is that crossfitters have somewhat of an elitist attitude, and would probably only listen to other crossfit people.

yea i don't want to be "that guy" but I honestly just want to help. I don't want to come off as a "know it all" douchebag. Maybe i'll bring it up when I go back home this summer and see him in person.

[scott_donald]

awesome stuff...

http://www.performancemenu.com/wod/video/sacHigh.mov

[hazard52003]

awesome stuff...

http://www.performancemenu.com/wod/video/sacHigh.mov

damn that is so cool! I wish I had that back in high school

[someonefat]

awesome stuff...

http://www.performancemenu.com/wod/video/sacHigh.mov

how much weight was that asian guy lifting at the end? Greens usually 25lbs so is that only 245 lbs?

[gbg]

One of my friends from back home who I have known since elementary school and I consider to be a good friend even though I haven't spoken with him a lot in the past few years is become a personal trainer at a crossfit gym. This kid has always been athletic, but hes also always been kinda fat. I guess he has lost close to like 75-100 pounds while on crossfit, so props to him, that is VERY impressive and i am VERY happy for him. (to me this is proof that crossfit can work, they just suck at the quick lifts)

Recently he sent me one of those facebook page things for his crossfit gym, and I clicked it just to check it out. Some of the videos are pretty good, it seems like most of the clients for their gym are kinda out of shape middle aged moms and dads who work. BUT the thing I have noticed is any O-lift they do is with absolutely HORRENDOUS technique. (what else is new crossfit?) I have also seem vids of him doing cleans, and they are not bad, but the needs some serious help as well.

Should I send him an e-mail telling him his form and his clients forms sucks? and that I need to come help him? or should I just keep my trap shut?

It's your call but if it were me and it was a friend it would be hard to watch him if his technique was that bad.

Plus he needs to know how dangerous crossfit can be;)

[gbg]

Now this is a gym, take note of the last photo....

http://www.mgoblue.com/view.gal?id=61819

[Marc27Default]

Should I send him an e-mail telling him his form and his clients forms sucks? and that I need to come help him? or should I just keep my trap shut?

Keep your trap shut. Like almost all similar situations in life, no matter what you say, people will take offense and become defensive. If you are really good friends it's your call. He will likely not appreciate your help, unless he sees you as an expert in the field.

[Marc27Default]

Also, the general consensus is that crossfitters have somewhat of an elitist attitude, and would probably only listen to other crossfit people.

This

[Marc27Default]

Now this is a gym, take note of the last photo....

http://www.mgoblue.com/view.gal?id=61819

Is there a guy in the air duct?

[Korr]

how much weight was that asian guy lifting at the end? Greens usually 25lbs so is that only 245 lbs?

Greens are 10kg = 22lbs

4 greens each side plus bar is 100kg = 220lbs

[gbg]

Is there a guy in the air duct?

Wasn't looking at the air ducts.

[Fury22]

yea i don't want to be "that guy" but I honestly just want to help. I don't want to come off as a "know it all" douchebag. Maybe i'll bring it up when I go back home this summer and see him in person.

I wouldn't say anything. There's one at my gym that thankfully doesn't do Olympic lifts (at least I've never see him try them) and generally has decent form but deadlifts like he's waiting to be mounted.

[ZachOly]

Yum...

http://imgur.com/gLk4Fl.jpg

[scott_donald]

yummy!!!

[gbg]

Well, you can definitely tell she doesn't Oly lift, no booty:D

[scott_donald]

Well, you can definitely tell she doesn't Oly lift, no booty:D

i like that bum!!!

[crackyflipside]

I'm a sucker for legs.......

http://i44.tinypic.com/14v19ad.jpg

[hazard52003]

holy wow ^^^^^ does are some fkn tree trunks

[GqArtguy]

I'm a sucker for legs.......

http://i44.tinypic.com/14v19ad.jpg

Excellence. You know theres a great bum that comes with those legs.

[olyw8lifter]

I'm a sucker for legs.......

http://i44.tinypic.com/14v19ad.jpg

Now, that is yummy!!!! :D

[boykid28]

I'm a sucker for legs.......

http://i44.tinypic.com/14v19ad.jpg



oh man.........
what a view.........
i need a recliner with some budwiser!!!


morning every one. finally school is over. now i can do way more oly lifting. maybe ill start doubling the volume.

[olyw8lifter]

oh man.........
what a view.........
i need a recliner with some budwiser!!!


morning every one. finally school is over. now i can do way more oly lifting. maybe ill start doubling the volume.

Just for the semester, or are you done completely? Where are you?

I have this week off, then I start my summer session. Two classes, Advanced Torts and Texas Criminal Procedure, this summer. Then 4 classes in the fall, and I graduate law school in December. I'll take the Texas Bar exam in Feb and be done completely.

[hazard52003]

Just for the semester, or are you done completely? Where are you?

I have this week off, then I start my summer session. Two classes, Advanced Torts and Texas Criminal Procedure, this summer. Then 4 classes in the fall, and I graduate law school in December. I'll take the Texas Bar exam in Feb and be done completely.

I finished my undergrad last Friday!

Graduation is this coming Saturday.

Then i sell my life away and begin work on June 7th.

[hazard52003]

you know how i posted a few days back about my crossfit friend and his horrible clean form. well he is not in this video. but the third guy is the owner of the gym.


J3iQcCIEpGA

stronger than me, but oh, dear, god.

[slowman41]

you know how i posted a few days back about my crossfit friend and his horrible clean form. well he is not in this video. but the third guy is the owner of the gym.


stronger than me, but oh, dear, god.

3rd guy had decent form, but the first two... wow.

when the first guy was setting up I thought he was gonna snatch with that grip, wow!

[scott_donald]

3rd guy had decent form, but the first two... wow.

when the first guy was setting up I thought he was gonna snatch with that grip, wow!

none of them have any form!!!

[slowman41]

I guess by "decent form" I meant that he actually racked the bar, vs whatever it is that the other 2 did.

[crackyflipside]

Ughhh, sent my coach a plea to let me deviate from his program so I can still lift and compete with the team I've basically trained alongside with since starting this sport. The program has managed to drop my snatch from 90kg to 70kg in about two months. I have no idea what his response will be; I have nowhere else to go but commercial gyms to squat if he says no.

For reference, the first day there he told us, "I am the dictator of this gym; you play by my rules."

Still no good job offers in Vegas and been applying like a mad man.

I ****ing love this sport, but right now I feel like calling it quits.

[scott_donald]

Ughhh, sent my coach a plea to let me deviate from his program so I can still lift and compete with the team I've basically trained alongside with since starting this sport. The program has managed to drop my snatch from 90kg to 70kg in about two months. I have no idea what his response will be; I have nowhere else to go but commercial gyms to squat if he says no.

For reference, the first day there he told us, "I am the dictator of this gym; you play by my rules."

Still no good job offers in Vegas and been applying like a mad man.

I ****ing love this sport, but right now I feel like calling it quits.

heads up cracky... patience i think with jobs as well... something will come but having said that i have no idea what the job market is like in america as they wont give me a visa!!!

[PeonLover]

Competed on Saturday went 5/6 120/140 (matched snatch PR, 5kg below CJ PR), last meet before my coach moves away and I end up on my own for a while.

Missed my 2nd CJ @ 138 on a pressout, went up to 140 and got it.

[GoJu]

Ughhh, sent my coach a plea to let me deviate from his program so I can still lift and compete with the team I've basically trained alongside with since starting this sport. The program has managed to drop my snatch from 90kg to 70kg in about two months. I have no idea what his response will be; I have nowhere else to go but commercial gyms to squat if he says no.

For reference, the first day there he told us, "I am the dictator of this gym; you play by my rules."

Still no good job offers in Vegas and been applying like a mad man.

I ****ing love this sport, but right now I feel like calling it quits.

maybe you can do powerlifting USAPL for a while? I really do think if you give him a choice of either his lifters doing well in comps versus just doing what he wants he'd make the smart choice, if he doesn't just flip him the bird and be done with it just do squat, deadlift, press, back work and other strength stuff for a while; even mezzie and gewaltinger did O-lifts in commercial gyms and they turned out ok I still think thats an option though

[BredFromFire]

evening all! anyone remember me?

it took a couple of months surprisingly... but without the help of the google-machine i've finally found a trainer in my area and my first session is tomorrow. i can't weight to start learning off of something other than crappy youtube videos. really excited brahs.

[endpoint]

I ****ing love this sport, but right now I feel like calling it quits.

home gym?

[crackyflipside]

home gym?

Live with parents, no money, and no space to do it.



Talked with the coach today, he said to email him what I was doing when I snatched 90 and he'll "figure something out". He's probably going to flip the hell out... I'll keep everyone posted. My ideal program there that I don't think he would hind too crazy would be:
M-Heavy single sn + vol, max Cl
T-PSn vol , Cl vol
W-Heavy single sn + vol, max J
Th-PSn vol , J vol
F-off
S-Max sn, max C+J, max fs
Su-off

[hazard52003]

Live with parents, no money, and no space to do it.



Talked with the coach today, he said to email him what I was doing when I snatched 90 and he'll "figure something out". He's probably going to flip the hell out... I'll keep everyone posted. My ideal program there that I don't think he would hind too crazy would be:
M-Heavy single sn + vol, max Cl
T-PSn vol , Cl vol
W-Heavy single sn + vol, max J
Th-PSn vol , J vol
F-off
S-Max sn, max C+J, max fs
Su-off

so he controls the programming of everyone at the gym? are you paying a membership fee too? are most oly gyms like that, that if you sign up you subscribe the programming of the coach/owner of of the gym?
I always assumed you could lift on your own program OR if you chose follow the programming advice of the coach and pay extra for advice maybe

[someonefat]

I remember seeing a chart for like what the general % of your power lifts should be to full lifts and back squat to front squat ext. Does anyone know these? Curious to see them to judge my technique improvement.

Also do any of you guys do plyometrics with your oly lifting weekly if not daily? Trying to introduce some plyometrics stuff other then just box jumps looking for ideas.

Also does anyone have an idea how to build those things that a lot of oly lifters use when doing jerks to hold the weight up so easier to do multipe reps?

[crackyflipside]

so he controls the programming of everyone at the gym? are you paying a membership fee too? are most oly gyms like that, that if you sign up you subscribe the programming of the coach/owner of of the gym?
I always assumed you could lift on your own program OR if you chose follow the programming advice of the coach and pay extra for advice maybe

Let's put it this way. He emails the program to us for the week, then we show up at 7pm and do the program. Coaches other athletes at that same time that pay a lot for the personal training for other sports. Not really coaching the weightlifters, but if you start to deviate from the program he yells at you. I don't pay a fee because I help him coach people for free and build/fix stuff for him, teammates pay around $40/month.




I remember seeing a chart for like what the general % of your power lifts should be to full lifts and back squat to front squat ext. Does anyone know these? see attachments below Curious to see them to judge my technique improvement.

Also do any of you guys do plyometrics with your oly lifting weekly if not daily? Trying to introduce some plyometrics stuff other then just box jumps looking for ideas. I don't anymore, but if I was to do some for cardio or training athlete, then doing jumps from one end to another like a rabbit works great

Also does anyone have an idea how to build those things that a lot of oly lifters use when doing jerks to hold the weight up so easier to do multipe reps? jerk boxes, there's a bunch of sites to build one

Answers in bold.

[CelticTheTruth]

Also do any of you guys do plyometrics with your oly lifting weekly if not daily? Trying to introduce some plyometrics stuff other then just box jumps looking for ideas. I don't anymore, but if I was to do some for cardio or training athlete, then doing jumps from one end to another like a rabbit works great



Answers in bold.

why? it´s proven that plyometrics will help making gains in oly lifts.
watch part 1-6 you can see they do plyometrics
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[crackyflipside]

why? it´s proven that plyometrics will help making gains in oly lifts.
watch part 1-6 you can see they do plyometrics

Last time I did box jumps I scraped my shin so bad I couldn't lift for two weeks lol

[scott_donald]

evening all! anyone remember me?

it took a couple of months surprisingly... but without the help of the google-machine i've finally found a trainer in my area and my first session is tomorrow. i can't weight to start learning off of something other than crappy youtube videos. really excited brahs.

congrats...

let us know how the session went...

[GqArtguy]

so he controls the programming of everyone at the gym? are you paying a membership fee too? are most oly gyms like that, that if you sign up you subscribe the programming of the coach/owner of of the gym?
I always assumed you could lift on your own program OR if you chose follow the programming advice of the coach and pay extra for advice maybe

This is how my place works.


Let's put it this way. He emails the program to us for the week, then we show up at 7pm and do the program. Coaches other athletes at that same time that pay a lot for the personal training for other sports. Not really coaching the weightlifters, but if you start to deviate from the program he yells at you. I don't pay a fee because I help him coach people for free and build/fix stuff for him, teammates pay around $40/month

Whats a sample week look like?

[crackyflipside]

Whats a sample week look like?

Day 1 [mon]
Dyn wu phase 2
Pwr sn. up to 6ox2x3 sets. Rest 12o second
Fs. up to 83x3 x3 sets
Foam roll

Day 2 [tue]
Dyn wu phase 3
Pwr clean + fs +clean+fs up to 6ox1+1+1+1 x 3 set
Push press up to 4ox5x3 set
Sn pull to knee up to 92x3
Russian twist 3x2o
Rev hyper3x1o
Foam roll

Day 3 [wed]
Phase 1 and 2
Jk from rack up to 85x1x 3sets 18o second between sets
Bent row3x8
Pull up or pulldown3x5 -7
Rd fly2x12
Db curl2x12
Plank 3x45 second
Foam roll
Stretch


Day 4 [thu]
Phase 4 warmup
Bb complex
---Sn grip high pull
---Muscle snatch
---Oh squat
---Back squat
---Btn power jerk
---Bent row
Perform nonstop. 5 reps each.
Rest 5 min between each full complex
Set 1 1o% best sn
Set 2. 15% best sn
Set3. 2o% best sn
Set 4 25% best sn.
Sh complex. 3x12
sit up x 2x1o
Rev hyper. 2x15


Day 5 [sat]
Phase 2 warm up
Sn balance up to 92x1
Clean fr blocks. Mid shin level up to 7ox2 x3 sets
Glute ham 3x8
Three way calf 3x1o ea
Foam roll

[Sit]

WOW thats one of the worst programs I've ever seen

(serious)

[scott_donald]

from what i can understand... why are the percentages soo low???

[someonefat]

low weight low volume brilliant

[GoJu]

WOW thats one of the worst programs I've ever seen

(serious)

will drop your lifts by 5-20kg GARUNTEED!

[davidearle]

cracky

quit playing around... seriously, what's a sample week look like? haha

does your coach know you're trying to train for olympic lifting?
you squat 1 day a week??

[crackyflipside]

cracky

quit playing around... seriously, what's a sample week look like? haha

does your coach know you're trying to train for olympic lifting?
you squat 1 day a week??

Serious... :(

I would back squat to max + volume every day and the program still managed to kill progress. Now you understand my frustration at the top of the page.

[someonefat]

Serious... :(

I would back squat to max + volume every day and the program still managed to kill progress. Now you understand my frustration at the top of the page.

um has your coach produced any type of success with his other lifters?

I think its time to find different coach or move to home gym.

[c00lrabbit]

was looking at your program and saw curls in it. cant think of any reason why an oly lifter would do these.

[moondg29]

was looking at your program and saw curls in it. cant think of any reason why an oly lifter would do these.

They have their place. Helps keep the elbow joint strong and pain free.

[nova6868]

Is it just me, or are there ZERO days on that program where you actually do heavy snatches and heavy cleans from the floor? How the hell are you supposed to improve at something when you never actually do it?

[crackyflipside]

Is it just me, or are there ZERO days on that program where you actually do heavy snatches and heavy cleans from the floor? How the hell are you supposed to improve at something when you never actually do it?

We would have a few random days with work up to 90% for like three singles.

[boykid28]

will drop your lifts by 5-20kg GARUNTEED!



thats the coach's slogan. lol. sorry.

finally hit 185lbs snatch today.
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it still wont let me embed videos yet, or i might be doing it wrong. but i still think its the first one.

[CelticTheTruth]

thats the coach's slogan. lol. sorry.

finally hit 185lbs snatch today.
o8AVQ6K6qeA

it still wont let me embed videos yet, or i might be doing it wrong. but i still think its the first one.

good one! looked easy.

[scott_donald]

edited it for you...


looked good... the camera man thought it was going to go higher!!!

[GoJu]

what's everyone's opinion on chiropractors?


thats the coach's slogan. lol. sorry.

finally hit 185lbs snatch today.
o8AVQ6K6qeA

it still wont let me embed videos yet, or i might be doing it wrong. but i still think its the first one.

that's a very tiny bar or at the camera makes it look that way

[olyw8lifter]

Good lift, but a couple of pointers (just my opinion, though). Try not to sit over the bar for so long (30 seconds is really long). Also, there is a little arm pull through the middle, just past the knees. I second the bar looking really short, unless you have really long arms or something!! :D

[Marc27Default]

Day 1 [mon]
Dyn wu phase 2
Pwr sn. up to 6ox2x3 sets. Rest 12o second
Fs. up to 83x3 x3 sets
Foam roll

Day 2 [tue]
Dyn wu phase 3
Pwr clean + fs +clean+fs up to 6ox1+1+1+1 x 3 set
Push press up to 4ox5x3 set
Sn pull to knee up to 92x3
Russian twist 3x2o
Rev hyper3x1o
Foam roll

Day 3 [wed]
Phase 1 and 2
Jk from rack up to 85x1x 3sets 18o second between sets
Bent row3x8
Pull up or pulldown3x5 -7
Rd fly2x12
Db curl2x12
Plank 3x45 second
Foam roll
Stretch


Day 4 [thu]
Phase 4 warmup
Bb complex
---Sn grip high pull
---Muscle snatch
---Oh squat
---Back squat
---Btn power jerk
---Bent row
Perform nonstop. 5 reps each.
Rest 5 min between each full complex
Set 1 1o% best sn
Set 2. 15% best sn
Set3. 2o% best sn
Set 4 25% best sn.
Sh complex. 3x12
sit up x 2x1o
Rev hyper. 2x15


Day 5 [sat]
Phase 2 warm up
Sn balance up to 92x1
Clean fr blocks. Mid shin level up to 7ox2 x3 sets
Glute ham 3x8
Three way calf 3x1o ea
Foam roll

!!! I would imagine that I would lose weight and even worse massive strength doing that kind of a program. IMO it sux... azz. I made good progress working the same lifts often. Snatching heavy 3 times a week, squatting low reps all the time, always attempting PR's etc. This looks more like cross fit bogus crap. Complexes are good for warming up but that's it.

I can't express how crap that program looks! (at least in terms of pure olympic weightlifting, depends on your goals I guess)

[GqArtguy]

Did a volume day with snatches today. Made 10 out of 14 singles with 110kg and all but one of the misses was a miss from behind after catching it and holding it for 2 seconds in the hole. Im glad this weight is getting more consistent, will make 120+ feel easier.

[Marc27Default]

Did a volume day with snatches today. Made 10 out of 14 singles with 110kg and all but one of the misses was a miss from behind after catching it and holding it for 2 seconds in the hole. Im glad this weight is getting more consistent, will make 120+ feel easier.

Making continuous snatches like that can be a big boost to confidence! Thats some heavy weight too. Whats your recent best? What % is 110 for you? I might be able to do 10 singles with like 92%. I am not too consistent though. Probably take me 16 tries :)

[GqArtguy]

Making continuous snatches like that can be a big boost to confidence! Thats some heavy weight too. Whats your recent best? What % is 110 for you? I might be able to do 10 singles with like 92%. I am not too consistent though. Probably take me 16 tries :)

Definitely. Before that, the most Ive done with 110 is 7 singles, and before that, maybe 4. The most Ive done is 120 twice, but its not consistent. So Im working with 90%+ and just repping it out until I get consistent enough that 120 isnt an issue and I can move on to real weight. Ill move to 115 for singles once I feel that 110 is mastered weight, then build up until I can snatch 115 pretty continuously.

[scott_donald]

Did a volume day with snatches today. Made 10 out of 14 singles with 110kg and all but one of the misses was a miss from behind after catching it and holding it for 2 seconds in the hole. Im glad this weight is getting more consistent, will make 120+ feel easier.

well done... for the 4-7 -10... some heavy weight with it...

[slowman41]

thats the coach's slogan. lol. sorry.

finally hit 185lbs snatch today.
youtube o8AVQ6K6qeA [/youtube]

it still wont let me embed videos yet, or i might be doing it wrong. but i still think its the first one.

nice lift man! no bumper weights either, bold!

[kitaristi0]

From the new Strength+ magazine:

A week in the gym with Kendrick Farris from the high intensity endurance phase.

Notation: AHAP - as hard as possible, 10RM, -5%, -10% - Work up to a 10-rep max load for one set. Then decrease the weight 5% for another set of ten. Decrease the weight another 5% for the third set.

Monday
Push Press - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Squat - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Snatch Grip Push Press - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Dumbbell Military Press - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Bench - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Triceps - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Tuesday
Muscle Snatch - 5RM, -5%, -10%
Snatch Deadlift - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Cajun Deadlift - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Snatch Grip Shrug - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Bent Over Rows - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Pull Ups - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Wednesday
Push Press - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Squat - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Snatch Grip Push Press - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Dumbbell Military Press - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Bench - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Triceps - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Thursday
Muscle Snatch or Clean High Pull from Thigh - 5RM, -5%, -10%
Clean Deadlift - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Cajun Deadlift - 5x10 @10% Less than Tuesday
Clean Grip Shrug - 5RM, -5%, -10%
Bent Over Rows - 5x10 @10% Less than Tuesday
Pull Ups - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Friday - Rest

Saturday
Snatch - 12-18 reps @ 75-85%
C+J - 12 reps @ 75-85%

Sunday - Rest

[Sit]

Kendricks training is pretty interesting, thats obviously off season though if you took out the last day you would hardly even know he did oly lol

[crackyflipside]

Kendricks training is pretty interesting, thats obviously off season though if you took out the last day you would hardly even know he did oly lol

That's 12-15 weeks from competition. Saturdays are pretty much same all the time, max out O-lifts, volume work, then max out front squat 1-3RM.

3-4wks doing this phase, 10's [for 10RMs]
3-4wks doing 5's, like last phase but more O-lifts split up
3wks doing 3's, some strength lifts, a lot more O-lifts split up and complete lifts
1-2wks peaking, mostly complete O-lifts some strength work
1wk taper only O-lifts and front squat, Saturday is competition

[GqArtguy]

That's 12-15 weeks from competition. Saturdays are pretty much same all the time, max out O-lifts, volume work, then max out front squat 1-3RM.

3-4wks doing this phase, 10's [for 10RMs]
3-4wks doing 5's, like last phase but more O-lifts split up
3wks doing 3's, some strength lifts, a lot more O-lifts split up and complete lifts
1-2wks peaking, mostly complete O-lifts some strength work
1wk taper only O-lifts and front squat, Saturday is competition

You should send that to your coach. That would be better than your current routine.

[GoJu]

what's a cajun deadlift?

[crackyflipside]

what's a cajun deadlift?

A sort of RDL; which are pretty vague on how to do anyways.

[someonefat]

Kendricks training is pretty interesting, thats obviously off season though if you took out the last day you would hardly even know he did oly lol

lol this surprised doesn't throw atlesat a few competetion lifts in there everyday but w/e guess working for him considering his last video wtih 211kg cj.

[nova6868]

Was anyone else really surprised to see Kendrick's training routine? I found it pretty strange, with all the 10RM lifts. I have experimented with 10RM lifts in the past. My speed definitely didn't benefit, and my 1RM strength tanked.

Also, he only does actual Olympic lifts once per week. I just wouldn't have expected that at all, especially with his technique and speed, which is amazing.

Maybe it's true what they say, that weightlifting is only 30-40% training. The rest is nutrition, recovery, and genetics.

[hazard52003]

Was anyone else really surprised to see Kendrick's training routine? I found it pretty strange, with all the 10RM lifts. I have experimented with 10RM lifts in the past. My speed definitely didn't benefit, and my 1RM strength tanked.

Also, he only does actual Olympic lifts once per week. I just wouldn't have expected that at all, especially with his technique and speed, which is amazing.

Maybe it's true what they say, that weightlifting is only 30-40% training. The rest is nutrition, recovery, and genetics.

like the above posters said though. he is probably off season and its even labeled "high intensity endurance phase"

He likely has other phases where is doing o-lifts every single day

[olyw8lifter]

Keep in mind what Cracky said:

That's 12-15 weeks from competition. Saturdays are pretty much same all the time, max out O-lifts, volume work, then max out front squat 1-3RM.

3-4wks doing this phase, 10's [for 10RMs]
3-4wks doing 5's, like last phase but more O-lifts split up
3wks doing 3's, some strength lifts, a lot more O-lifts split up and complete lifts
1-2wks peaking, mostly complete O-lifts some strength work
1wk taper only O-lifts and front squat, Saturday is competition

This says alot as to the rest of his program. It's also a good thing to see that all coaches program differently and different types of programs work, if you stick with it.

[Tagio]

these high volume programs with more assistance and less competition lifting seem to work pretty well for the clean, while having a really solid snatch and jerk seem to depend a bit more on frequent practice with max weights. just my uneducated impression

[GoJu]

Was anyone else really surprised to see Kendrick's training routine? I found it pretty strange, with all the 10RM lifts. I have experimented with 10RM lifts in the past. My speed definitely didn't benefit, and my 1RM strength tanked.

Also, he only does actual Olympic lifts once per week. I just wouldn't have expected that at all, especially with his technique and speed, which is amazing.

Maybe it's true what they say, that weightlifting is only 30-40% training. The rest is nutrition, recovery, and genetics.

it's cause he's so strong (a VERY underrated quality in weightlifting) he squats 3x255kg and has done 5x230kg snatch deadlift and can clean deadlift 300kg it helps

[crackyflipside]

it's cause he's so strong (a VERY underrated quality in weightlifting) he squats 3x255kg and has done 5x230kg snatch deadlift and can clean deadlift 300kg it helps

Plus his coach is great. I still believe that clean and jerk benefits from a lower volume than does the snatch.

[crackyflipside]

it's cause he's so strong (a VERY underrated quality in weightlifting) he squats 3x255kg and has done 5x230kg snatch deadlift and can clean deadlift 300kg it helps

Front Squat 225kg
Back Squat 272.5kg
Clean Deadlift 300kg

[King922]

Kendrick Farris cleaning and jerking 218 but losing jerk forward before squatting it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOHTeRI-k
Ahh dam Cracky beat me too it in a thread! :p

[binko]

cracky, who's the girl a couple of pages back with tree-trunks for legs?

[crackyflipside]

cracky, who's the girl a couple of pages back with tree-trunks for legs?

I wish I knew.

[Fury22]

!!! I would imagine that I would lose weight and even worse massive strength doing that kind of a program. IMO it sux... azz. I made good progress working the same lifts often. Snatching heavy 3 times a week, squatting low reps all the time, always attempting PR's etc. This looks more like cross fit bogus crap. Complexes are good for warming up but that's it.

I can't express how crap that program looks! (at least in terms of pure olympic weightlifting, depends on your goals I guess)

Agreed. I cut out most of the assistance lifts besides heavy pulls. I'm snatching 5 days a week, full clean & jerk 2-3 days. For snatching, I've found that nothing else really helps other than going heavy and doing it often. I do pulls to help my strength off the floor and maintain good position since when the weights get heavy I let the bar get a little too far away.

4 PRs Yesterday!!!

Snatch 210 lbs -- feelsgoodman.jpg

Back Squat 310 -- 315 -- 320

*my previous best squat was 305. I pushed it up by 15 pounds. 320 was actually fairly smooth. I finally squatted 3 plates!!

Earlier this week -- Front Squat PRs -- 285, 290, 295

[J.L.C.]

From the new Strength+ magazine:

A week in the gym with Kendrick Farris from the high intensity endurance phase.

Notation: AHAP - as hard as possible, 10RM, -5%, -10% - Work up to a 10-rep max load for one set. Then decrease the weight 5% for another set of ten. Decrease the weight another 5% for the third set.

Monday
Push Press - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Squat - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Snatch Grip Push Press - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Dumbbell Military Press - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Bench - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Triceps - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Tuesday
Muscle Snatch - 5RM, -5%, -10%
Snatch Deadlift - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Cajun Deadlift - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Snatch Grip Shrug - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Bent Over Rows - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Pull Ups - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Wednesday
Push Press - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Squat - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Snatch Grip Push Press - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Dumbbell Military Press - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Bench - 3-5x10 @10% less than Monday
Triceps - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Thursday
Muscle Snatch or Clean High Pull from Thigh - 5RM, -5%, -10%
Clean Deadlift - 10RM, -5%, -10%
Cajun Deadlift - 5x10 @10% Less than Tuesday
Clean Grip Shrug - 5RM, -5%, -10%
Bent Over Rows - 5x10 @10% Less than Tuesday
Pull Ups - 3x10 AHAP
Weighted Abs

Friday - Rest

Saturday
Snatch - 12-18 reps @ 75-85%
C+J - 12 reps @ 75-85%

Sunday - Rest


Wait...

He only trains once a day???

How is he progressing and putting up those weights with only 5 sessions a week???

[hazard52003]

Agreed. I cut out most of the assistance lifts besides heavy pulls. I'm snatching 5 days a week, full clean & jerk 2-3 days. For snatching, I've found that nothing else really helps other than going heavy and doing it often. I do pulls to help my strength off the floor and maintain good position since when the weights get heavy I let the bar get a little too far away.

4 PRs Yesterday!!!

Snatch 210 lbs -- feelsgoodman.jpg

Back Squat 310 -- 315 -- 320

*my previous best squat was 305. I pushed it up by 15 pounds. 320 was actually fairly smooth. I finally squatted 3 plates!!

Earlier this week -- Front Squat PRs -- 285, 290, 295

very nice!

gives me motivation! my squat numbers are only a little behind yours, but your Total dominates mine. I need to work harder! grrrr

[Sit]

At the hotel, weigh in tomorrow at 9:30 feel ready for my first shot at senior nationals

[scott_donald]

At the hotel, weigh in tomorrow at 9:30 feel ready for my first shot at senior nationals

good luck!!!


Wait...

He only trains once a day???

How is he progressing and putting up those weights with only 5 sessions a week???

now you know the answer to that...

[ZachOly]

Good luck to everyone lifting at the Canadian Seniors today and tomorrow

Keep an eye out for Nick Roberts (94kg) and Dave Adams (85kg), both are fellow Newfoundlanders!

[GoJu]

Wait...

He only trains once a day???

How is he progressing and putting up those weights with only 5 sessions a week???

those sessions do look long as hell, I bet they add up

[boykid28]

what's everyone's opinion on chiropractors?



that's a very tiny bar or at the camera makes it look that way



its probably the camera angle. i ,physically, measured the bar which was about 7' long.


Good lift, but a couple of pointers (just my opinion, though). Try not to sit over the bar for so long (30 seconds is really long). Also, there is a little arm pull through the middle, just past the knees. I second the bar looking really short, unless you have really long arms or something!! :D


i actually do. i can wrap my hands on the collar during snatches with pleanty of room to spare its just i choose not to. but im not tall though. it must be genetics. it is an olympic (45lb) bar though.

[QUOTE=Fury22;493674121]Agreed. I cut out most of the assistance lifts besides heavy pulls. I'm snatching 5 days a week, full clean & jerk 2-3 days. For snatching, I've found that nothing else really helps other than going heavy and doing it often. I do pulls to help my strength off the floor and maintain good position since when the weights get heavy I let the bar get a little too far away.




i agree with u. i do full snatch & clean and jerks every training session so i can work on the lifts as much as possible.

[Sit]

Good luck to everyone lifting at the Canadian Seniors today and tomorrow

Keep an eye out for Nick Roberts (94kg) and Dave Adams (85kg), both are fellow Newfoundlanders!

You mean Dave king lol?

I know both of them lol

weighed in at 81.9 start 103-105/127-130

[ZachOly]

Dave King too

But he moved away to Ontario a few years ago

[scott_donald]

seriously?????

AuiWUKRPGvs

big fan but no...

[ZachOly]

seriously?????

*snip*

big fan but no...


I was never a fan, he always sounds so angry and bitter

[someonefat]

starting to get some elbow pain while snatching has anyone had this problem before? What generally is the cause of this?

[Shaun_W]

seriously?????

AuiWUKRPGvs

big fan but no...

Honestly, what the hell is the point in that?

It's not a 'clean', more of a reverse curl, and the 'press' was barely half ROM.

[GoJu]

Honestly, what the hell is the point in that?

It's not a 'clean', more of a reverse curl, and the 'press' was barely half ROM.

strongman log clean&press assistance?

lots of elitists among weightlifters I find

is that dave tate in the vid?

someonefat - weak arms, do some barbell curls they'll feel better in a bit

[Shaun_W]

Even as strongman clean and press assistance, what's the point in not even half ROM on the press?

And yeah that's Dave Tate in the video. Not that he's using it as strongman clean and press because he doesn't like strongman at all.

[scott_donald]

starting to get some elbow pain while snatching has anyone had this problem before? What generally is the cause of this?

ye i had that... and still get it slightly in the catch for some reason my left elbow was rotating inwards so had to stop that... and seems to touch wood stopping the pain... but could be lots of things...

[slowman41]

You mean Dave king lol?

I know both of them lol

weighed in at 81.9 start 103-105/127-130

eager to hear how you did.

[someonefat]

ye i had that... and still get it slightly in the catch for some reason my left elbow was rotating inwards so had to stop that... and seems to touch wood stopping the pain... but could be lots of things...

yeah its in the catch for me also not sure if extending it too hard or something it hurts a bit when I extend it and there is resistance like in say skull crusher exercise. Also hurts when I touch it. I might not snatch for a week just do high pulls and cleans and see if feels better. Do some curls also as never do biceps other then pull ups.

[crackyflipside]

Trying to recover from my terrible weightlifting program experience, doing more strength stuff in morning workouts focused on weighted dips/chins in the morning sessions.

[scott_donald]

Trying to recover from my terrible weightlifting program experience, doing more strength stuff in morning workouts focused on weighted dips/chins in the morning sessions.

what did you decide in the end???

and how did everyone do at the canadian things...

[slowman41]

what are the governing bodies that run regional/state/etc competitions?

like, if someone wanted to get into oly competition, where do you go (other than the olympics)

[GoJu]

what are the governing bodies that run regional/state/etc competitions?

like, if someone wanted to get into oly competition, where do you go (other than the olympics)

every state has a weightlifting federation

every federation answers to USAW

USAW answers to the IWF (international weightlifting federation)

[slowman41]

every state has a weightlifting federation

every federation answers to USAW

USAW answers to the IWF (international weightlifting federation)

thanks, was having trouble figuring out what to search for.

[crackyflipside]

what did you decide in the end???

What do you mean? I'm still at that guys place, just doing my own thing doing max snatch and max cnj there, no volume, short session, less hassle. Morning is my focus with strength work. For the first time in my life, my pull felt weak the other day.

[scott_donald]

What do you mean? I'm still at that guys place, just doing my own thing doing max snatch and max cnj there, no volume, short session, less hassle. Morning is my focus with strength work. For the first time in my life, my pull felt weak the other day.

thats what i wanted to know±!!!

[boykid28]

i went to fdu yesterday and it was sweet. saw some of the guy & girls lifting there. think im gonna start going there more often. took me 2 hours to get there though.

[scott_donald]

i went to fdu yesterday and it was sweet. saw some of the guy & girls lifting there. think im gonna start going there more often. took me 2 hours to get there though.

to where???

[scott_donald]

do you not just hate those days when you cant be assed lifting and un racking 120kg for squat feels heavy....

i completed 2/3s of it and gave up with poopy numbers... now in the long run is that better or would i have been better just resting??? opinions???

[boykid28]

it probably would have been better to just take the day off. and what do u mean "to where?" i went to fdu in madison,NJ.

[scott_donald]

it probably would have been better to just take the day off. and what do u mean "to where?" i went to fdu in madison,NJ.

what is fdu... assuming a university

[King922]

do you not just hate those days when you cant be assed lifting and un racking 120kg for squat feels heavy....

i completed 2/3s of it and gave up with poopy numbers... now in the long run is that better or would i have been better just resting??? opinions???

Push through it. Like Broz says if you wait til your feeling 100% youll never be doing anything.

[crackyflipside]

Push through it. Like Broz says if you wait til your feeling 100% youll never be doing anything.

Different programs, though. Remember in Broz program you maintain fatigue until you go peak for a meet. Other programs the fatiguing phase is much shorter.

[boykid28]

oh...... it means fairlidickenson university.

[PeonLover]

boykid

Olympic lifting Gyms in NJ:
Rutgers University (have to be a student or an alum)
Theres something in Frenchtown, NJ I believe where Danica Rue originally trained.
Moorestown, NJ ECG Headquarters, like 10 platforms

Probably one of those is closer to you than FDU.

[King922]

Has anyone found a place where the Senior Canadian Championships are listed?

[crackyflipside]

Bodyweight +90lbs dead hang chin-up... yeah, I'm feeling strength coming back!

[GqArtguy]

Bodyweight +90lbs dead hang chin-up... yeah, I'm feeling strength coming back!

Thought youre on the Broz program now?

[crackyflipside]

Thought youre on the Broz program now?

I wish! I'm on the squat to max then do other strength lifts in the morning, snatch and cnj to max in the evening program.

[Marc27Default]

Well I can finally snatch body weight like it's nothing now. I haven't missed it once in the last few sessions. Hoping for a big PR soon.

Also did 20 reps of 225 (body weight) on the squat. Hertz bad. Probably try this once a week adding 5 or 10 lbs each time. 275 x 20 would be cool.

[King922]

Well I can finally snatch body weight like it's nothing now. I haven't missed it once in the last few sessions. Hoping for a big PR soon.

Also did 20 reps of 225 (body weight) on the squat. Hertz bad. Probably try this once a week adding 5 or 10 lbs each time. 275 x 20 would be cool.

Dam like 20 consecutive reps? Thats brutal! :P I hate more than 3 reps! Even 3 is stretching it when its heavy! :) You must have been determined!

[scott_donald]

Well I can finally snatch body weight like it's nothing now. I haven't missed it once in the last few sessions. Hoping for a big PR soon.

Also did 20 reps of 225 (body weight) on the squat. Hertz bad. Probably try this once a week adding 5 or 10 lbs each time. 275 x 20 would be cool.

well done... i can now get 70 on the odd occasion but my body still doesnt want to drop and i dont have the time to work on the drop...

[GoJu]

anybody think orthotics for my shoes are worth the money (~250-300) chiropractor recommended them to stop my ankles from turning in anybody use 'em in their training?

[slowman41]

anybody think orthotics for my shoes are worth the money (~250-300) chiropractor recommended them to stop my ankles from turning in anybody use 'em in their training?

wouldn't they be squishy, and thusly bad for training?

ie, more similar to running sneakers than weightlifting shoes...

[GoJu]

wouldn't they be squishy, and thusly bad for training?

ie, more similar to running sneakers than weightlifting shoes...

well the chrio wears them too and he showed me there like little insoles that go into the shoe, they'd build it up in such a way as to make my foot stop rotating in the bottom of the squat

[moondg29]

well the chrio wears them too and he showed me there like little insoles that go into the shoe, they'd build it up in such a way as to make my foot stop rotating in the bottom of the squat


I made a thread about this a few months back. They REALLY help.

[GoJu]

I made a thread about this a few months back. They REALLY help.

link to your thread? (you've got a few to say the least, lol)

yeah I remember you telling me about them, I'm just wondering if they're worth the money

[J.L.C.]

anybody think orthotics for my shoes are worth the money (~250-300) chiropractor recommended them to stop my ankles from turning in anybody use 'em in their training?

I wear them in all my shoes, I have a separate pair that I leave in my weightlifting shoes so that I'm never without them when lifting - they help a lot!

I don't know how insurance works for you in the states, but my student health coverage covered I think 85% of the cost, so they were definitely worth it!

[ZachOly]

Results from the Canadian nationals:

http://www.canadianweightlifting.ca/cwfhc_events.htm

(at the bottom)

[Marc27Default]

well done... i can now get 70 on the odd occasion but my body still doesnt want to drop and i dont have the time to work on the drop...

God, I hope you don't mean 70 reps of 225 on the squat ;)

[davidearle]

I did BRUTAL at nationals...

69kg - 8th place
Snatch -
95
100x (totally cut the 2nd pull short like an idiot and missed in front)
100

CJ -
126x (turned down 2 to 1 for a pressout)
127x (turned down 2 to 1 for a pressout)
127
Sinclair - 304
I don't want to shift blame - 126 and 127 are weights I should jerk in my SLEEP - but the pressouts were borderline at best, and had I been from Quebec or in a later session with less fresh judges I think all my jerks would have passed.

For the last few weeks leading up to the comp I wasn't feeling great during training though. My technique felt off and I just generally felt like I had symptoms of bad overtraining... tired no matter how much I slept, loss of appetite, irritability, depression, mental fog.

Anyway, I'm almost happy it's over with so I can relax a bit during summer... maybe even do some bench 'n arms! haha

[gewaltiger]

**** you guyz
droppin a line to say im alive

[gbg]

**** you guyz
droppin a line to say im alive

Hey Kyle! good to see you, hope all is well.

[scott_donald]

God, I hope you don't mean 70 reps of 225 on the squat ;)

nope snatch for 1 :(


I did BRUTAL at nationals...

69kg - 8th place
Snatch -
95
100x (totally cut the 2nd pull short like an idiot and missed in front)
100

CJ -
126x (turned down 2 to 1 for a pressout)
127x (turned down 2 to 1 for a pressout)
127
Sinclair - 304
I don't want to shift blame - 126 and 127 are weights I should jerk in my SLEEP - but the pressouts were borderline at best, and had I been from Quebec or in a later session with less fresh judges I think all my jerks would have passed.

For the last few weeks leading up to the comp I wasn't feeling great during training though. My technique felt off and I just generally felt like I had symptoms of bad overtraining... tired no matter how much I slept, loss of appetite, irritability, depression, mental fog.

Anyway, I'm almost happy it's over with so I can relax a bit during summer... maybe even do some bench 'n arms! haha

unlucky but tats another comp and more experience in the bank...

have a fun training summer... whats next???


**** you guyz
droppin a line to say im alive

good morning hows life out there???

[Sit]

Dave I feel you Team Ontario didn't put up much of a performance except Buck and Kayla Turner really.. Anyways I'm back at it 100% in the gym did 105/130 yesterday and hit 100 then 110 pc pj after and did some push press along with a 170kg back squat both days

Next week I start back on my program which Im stoked about watch out for 115/145 @ 85kg in August!

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My nationals:

bottom line

snatch 102 106x 106x
clean and jerk 123 127 132x

Here's my thoughts on it:
I didn't hit 110/140 far from it, but at the same time I learned a lot about my mental game and even though it's pretty good I still have some work on it, I realize that I need to just get stronger of the floor and I'll be fine. To be honest I don't have any excuses for not doing my best lifts, I had a chance to and I missed it. I learned that if I want to become a weight lifter I can't come to a meet in shape and not hit good numbers.

I'm looking at it like 360 days out of proving myself as a legitimate weightlifter now and that's what I'm going to do

[Fury22]

Well I can finally snatch body weight like it's nothing now. I haven't missed it once in the last few sessions. Hoping for a big PR soon.

Also did 20 reps of 225 (body weight) on the squat. Hertz bad. Probably try this once a week adding 5 or 10 lbs each time. 275 x 20 would be cool.

I love 20 rep squats. I want to try to rep 225 for 20 this weekend. I got 15 at 225 after maxing on squats @ 320 last week.

Finally took a day off today. Much needed!

[Fury22]

**** you guyz
droppin a line to say im alive

what up bro!!!

[gbg]

Morning...

[endpoint]

Morning...

Good night!

[scott_donald]

Morning...


Good night!

good afternoon...

ate too much at lunch -

lentil soup then half chicken and fries and some chicken fillets!!! lifting in an hour too... no chance...

[scott_donald]

6-yhmmgG7MQ

wow speed!!!

no idea who it is though...

[someonefat]

I love 20 rep squats. I want to try to rep 225 for 20 this weekend. I got 15 at 225 after maxing on squats @ 320 last week.

Finally took a day off today. Much needed!

I always like to finish off leg day with 20 rep squat usually at 50-60% after heavy day of triples or single. Great for the core and has helped my strength alot as well as good size gains.

[crackyflipside]

6-yhmmgG7MQ

wow speed!!!

no idea who it is though...

Name says Alexander Sliusarenko.

[Fury22]

no idea who it is though...

apparently someone who is very good at weightlifting

[crackyflipside]

Bought five pounds of unflavored whey cold filtration (cause it's the cheapest almost flavorless) from true protein, it is awesome. I throw that crap into any drink and boom more protein haha, anybody else do the same? I kinda got sick of buying supposedly great flavors of overpriced brotein and needed to forcefeed myself the whole tub.

[someonefat]

Bought five pounds of unflavored whey cold filtration (cause it's the cheapest almost flavorless) from true protein, it is awesome. I throw that crap into any drink and boom more protein haha, anybody else do the same? I kinda got sick of buying supposedly great flavors of overpriced brotein and needed to forcefeed myself the whole tub.

I bought 50lbs from *********** when was on sale-not sure if still is but had great deal a few months ago- and I drink it with water like 3-4x a day. Its great never go back to buying overpriced protein again. Its the only supplement-if you want to call it that I think of it as food- that is really worth it.

[slowman41]

Bought five pounds of unflavored whey cold filtration (cause it's the cheapest almost flavorless) from true protein, it is awesome. I throw that crap into any drink and boom more protein haha, anybody else do the same? I kinda got sick of buying supposedly great flavors of overpriced brotein and needed to forcefeed myself the whole tub.

thats an absolutely awesome deal. Do you notice any difference between that and say, ON 100% whey?

[crackyflipside]

thats an absolutely awesome deal. Do you notice any difference between that and say, ON 100% whey?

ON is mostly whey protein concentrate, which is much cheaper and causes bloating and lactose issues for some people. Protein is protein to me, but I don't want to feel bloated and gassy drinking this stuff 3-4 times a day so I justified the extra few bucks for the cold filtration isolate.

In terms of prices, the 5lbs came out to about $50 shipped. I put in a lower quality mix like ON's and the price is still cheaper at like $40 shipped.

[gbg]

Bought five pounds of unflavored whey cold filtration (cause it's the cheapest almost flavorless) from true protein, it is awesome. I throw that crap into any drink and boom more protein haha, anybody else do the same? I kinda got sick of buying supposedly great flavors of overpriced brotein and needed to forcefeed myself the whole tub.

Xtreme formulations ultra peptide is the only way I go.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/xf/ultrapeptide2.html

[someonefat]

how are you guys able to do both cleans and snatches on same day? I finish up with snatch and feels like all my power is drained for cleans. Should I try to lower the volume or is it something you just get used to eventually? IN past was doing snatch once a week cleans twice a week but now just do them all 3x a week together and the weight can clean is less then before.

[moondg29]

how are you guys able to do both cleans and snatches on same day? I finish up with snatch and feels like all my power is drained for cleans. Should I try to lower the volume or is it something you just get used to eventually? IN past was doing snatch once a week cleans twice a week but now just do them all 3x a week together and the weight can clean is less then before.

Takes time. I did separate snatch/clean workouts for a good year or two before I could comfortably do both on the same day and still have energy for auxiliary lifts/squats.

[scott_donald]

how are you guys able to do both cleans and snatches on same day? I finish up with snatch and feels like all my power is drained for cleans. Should I try to lower the volume or is it something you just get used to eventually? IN past was doing snatch once a week cleans twice a week but now just do them all 3x a week together and the weight can clean is less then before.


Takes time. I did separate snatch/clean workouts for a good year or two before I could comfortably do both on the same day and still have energy for auxiliary lifts/squats.

without seeing your exact workouts... i would say time is your answer... body is an amazing adapting thing...

[crackyflipside]

without seeing your exact workouts... i would say time is your answer... body is an amazing adapting thing...

Definitely, when I first started to build up to daily maxes it took a few weeks. The good news is once you go through that phase of daily maxes, even if you have a long layoff of not doing them, the adapting time becomes much shorter because the brain still has the adaptations to the nerve structure from before.

A focking AMAZING thread going on here talking about high frequency training: http://www.pendlayforum.com/showthread.php?t=2373

"The acquisition of skilled movement induces a reorganization of neural circuitry within motor cortex that supports the production and refinement of skilled movement sequences. "

"Learning to display strength is an actual skill. In a practical sense, the act of reproducing a skill (Snatch @ 50%max) is very specific and different than reproducing the skill with maximal force (Snatch @ 100%max) at the neural level."

Cliffs: Strength increases can happen with lower weight and volume but displaying 100% strength is a SKILL which must be practiced by lifting 100% weights as it builds the brain's structure to lift 100% weight.

[someonefat]

Definitely, when I first started to build up to daily maxes it took a few weeks. The good news is once you go through that phase of daily maxes, even if you have a long layoff of not doing them, the adapting time becomes much shorter because the brain still has the adaptations to the nerve structure from before.

A focking AMAZING thread going on here talking about high frequency training: http://www.pendlayforum.com/showthread.php?t=2373

"The acquisition of skilled movement induces a reorganization of neural circuitry within motor cortex that supports the production and refinement of skilled movement sequences. "

"Learning to display strength is an actual skill. In a practical sense, the act of reproducing a skill (Snatch @ 50%max) is very specific and different than reproducing the skill with maximal force (Snatch @ 100%max) at the neural level."

Cliffs: Strength increases can happen with lower weight and volume but displaying 100% strength is a SKILL which must be practiced by lifting 100% weights as it builds the brain's structure to lift 100% weight.


Interesting Ill have to read through that thread a little latter. I will start trying to do the lifts everyday now instead of 3x a week and just see how it goes.

[crackyflipside]

Interesting Ill have to read through that thread a little latter. I will start trying to do the lifts everyday now instead of 3x a week and just see how it goes.

Just work up to a max and move on to the next lift. Add in the volume work 3x week when you feel comfortable, after a while you just regulate it, to doing max and volume everyday but sometimes you feel crappy so you just do volume or just do a max. Or if you feel slow that day do powers. Weak legs, do pull and jerk. Feel good, max + volume. Feel great, just max.

[skinnycalves]

Do any of you guys have one wrist that is more mobile/flexible than the other?