Calling all OL'ers......:)

[hazard52003]

hey guys just checking in.. 3 midterms in the next two days is gonna suck up all my time... but come saturday ill be flying down to the domican republic for my spring break! woohoo!

Even better news is i hit a new C&J PR of 93kg! and i hit a front squat pr of 125kg on monday. pretty good week. gonna go for a BS pr on friday.

[crackyflipside]

Oleg Pereptchenov

175/220 @ 77kg @ 34yrs on March 4th at Russian championships, not int'l meet so no world records. That's a 495.4kg sinclair.

[madaozeki]

hey guys just checking in.. 3 midterms in the next two days is gonna suck up all my time... but come saturday ill be flying down to the domican republic for my spring break! woohoo!

Even better news is i hit a new C&J PR of 93kg! and i hit a front squat pr of 125kg on monday. pretty good week. gonna go for a BS pr on friday.

Fantastic stuff! Nice peak after a ton of hard work this cycle :)

[GoJu]

oleg pereptchenov

175/220 @ 77kg @ 34yrs on march 4th at russian championships, not int'l meet so no world records. That's a 495.4kg sinclair.

220?!

[hazard52003]

220?!

yea good point. 220? isn't 210 the WR at 77 right now?

[GoJu]

yea good point. 220? isn't 210 the WR at 77 right now?
its his world record, but usually the guys are much stronger when they go untested, lol, aramnau can clean&jerk 240 and clean 245 but the records only 236 in 105, its just that 220 @ 77 is just insane even for untested staying within his weightlimit!

[scott_donald]

wow...

[Sit]

Holy ****ing hell that puts Perepetchinov with the 2nd best sinclair ever if I'm not mistaken\

Naim did 500 and no one has came close

[GoJu]

Holy ****ing hell that puts Perepetchinov with the 2nd best sinclair ever if I'm not mistaken\

Naim did 500 and no one has came close

didn't vardanian do 490?

[Sit]

didn't vardanian do 490?

495>490 no?

[hazard52003]

its his world record, but usually the guys are much stronger when they go untested, lol, aramnau can clean&jerk 240 and clean 245 but the records only 236 in 105, its just that 220 @ 77 is just insane even for untested staying within his weightlimit!

sheet is insane without a doubt.. any vids?

[GoJu]

495>490 no?

officially I mean as in counted by the IWF

hazard this is a vid of aramnau's lifts I mentioned as well as rybakov (usually an 85 competing here as a very light 94) lifting 191 in the snatch

AW3vSm4Tg6E

[Marc27Default]

Just be happy to know that Bulgarian overtraining has pushed my snatch up to 90kg.

Snatch PR's seem more satisfying when you catch it and have to hold it in the bottom for a bit. You have time to think "Whoa I just got that, standing up with it will be so sweet!"

[hazard52003]

officially I mean as in counted by the IWF

hazard this is a vid of aramnau's lifts I mentioned as well as rybakov (usually an 85 competing here as a very light 94) lifting 191 in the snatch


yea i saw that vid, its insane! any vid of the 220 @ 77kg though?

[chyoly]

i believe the entire internet is waiting for the vids of this 175/220....

[gbg]

Morning family:)

1 more day till the weekend!

[hazard52003]

Morning family:)

1 more day till the weekend!

morning! big day today. 2 midterms later, then 2 more days until i leave for my spring break trip! WOOHOO

[Fury22]

morning! big day today. 2 midterms later, then 2 more days until i leave for my spring break trip! WOOHOO

Fak. Where you going? My spring break "trip" was the drive to work. No Costa Rica this year...

I did snatch 195 today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I at least met my max...I didn't have to walk it forward...stood right up out of the hole...although when I stood up I realized how far backwards I jumped...and I was like WTF? How did I get back here??

[GoJu]

anybody heard or seen this movie

what I can gather

coach was an olympian in seoul and missed a medal winning lift and now he coaches the korean women in biejing, anybody speak korean

Pt18r_0P4YQ

[gbg]

morning! big day today. 2 midterms later, then 2 more days until i leave for my spring break trip! WOOHOO
Nice! where ya going?

Fak. Where you going? My spring break "trip" was the drive to work. No Costa Rica this year...

I did snatch 195 today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I at least met my max...I didn't have to walk it forward...stood right up out of the hole...although when I stood up I realized how far backwards I jumped...and I was like WTF? How did I get back here??

Congrats!! :)

[scott_donald]

anybody heard or seen this movie

what I can gather

coach was an olympian in seoul and missed a medal winning lift and now he coaches the korean women in biejing, anybody speak korean

Pt18r_0P4YQ

find a translated version!!!

[ZachOly]

Attempted a 180kg FS last night

Epic failure at the bottom, but it was nice to get a feel for the weight

Also considering dropping split jerks.....I did power jerks last night and was waayyyy more consistent, no missing out front. Only problem provincials are in two weeks haha

[boykid28]

You and me both!

I actually found weightlifting during contest prep for the last show I did. I wanted to learn how to do power cleans properly, got some coaching, then did my first meet...and never looked back!

Did you compete in BBing? Have you done a weightlifting meet yet?

this is a perfect example of how, not many people know what oly lifting is until they actually see it at like a bodybuilding comp or powerlifting comp.

[scott_donald]

Attempted a 180kg FS last night

Epic failure at the bottom, but it was nice to get a feel for the weight

Also considering dropping split jerks.....I did power jerks last night and was waayyyy more consistent, no missing out front. Only problem provincials are in two weeks haha

i have never tried a power jerk...

what did you think differently as you did it...

[ZachOly]

i have never tried a power jerk...

what did you think differently as you did it...

Weight feels a little heavier with the PJ, but I don't miss forward with the PJ and that's a HUGE problem for me with the split jerk

see: 5vSMBLkpzGA

The PJ is more straight up and down

[olyw8lifter]

Weight feels a little heavier with the PJ, but I don't miss forward with the PJ and that's a HUGE problem for me with the split jerk

see: 5vSMBLkpzGA

The PJ is more straight up and down

Well, I see 2 things you're doing wrong with your split jerk from this video:

1) you dip way too deep and this throws everything forward as you change directions start to drive (because you are dipping so deep, it takes longer to change directions) which is not quick enough
2) you are catching on stiff legs, with the back leg very straight. By bending your back leg, your hips will be allowed to drop staight down and the hips will stay under you and not drive backwards with your upper body shifting forward.

Do what works best for you, a decent few people power/squat jerk.

Let's see a vid of the power jerks???

[ZachOly]

Another problem with my SJ is that when the weight gets heavy, my form goes to ****, also leading to the inconsistency.

My split with heavier weights is more "lengthy" and a lot quicker

Re: the dip
I've tried a shallow dip and it's not for me. I get waaaayyyy more momentum when I dip lower

[olyw8lifter]

Another problem with my SJ is that when the weight gets heavy, my form goes to ****, also leading to the inconsistency.

My split with heavier weights is more "lengthy" and a lot quicker

Re: the dip
I've tried a shallow dip and it's not for me. I get waaaayyyy more momentum when I dip lower

That may be true, but you're losing quickness in changing direction. Also, that back leg needs to be bent to keep your hips under you instead of behind you. How long did you practice the shallower dip? It takes quite a while to get used to it.

[Fury22]

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

Today was disgraceful. Worst training day I have had in a long time. I was missing easy shiit too. Bad bad bad. Looking forward to an off day tomorrow. Blah.

I did apply to Vitamin Shoppe today....we'll see how that goes.

[gbg]

Weight feels a little heavier with the PJ, but I don't miss forward with the PJ and that's a HUGE problem for me with the split jerk

see: 5vSMBLkpzGA

The PJ is more straight up and down

I would say the biggest reason is because your using your front leg as an anchor all the weight seems to be distributing there, try distributing the weight more evenly on both legs, bending your rear leg and going a bit deeper will help this.

[raffiki]

Well, I see 2 things you're doing wrong with your split jerk from this video:

1) you dip way too deep and this throws everything forward as you change directions start to drive (because you are dipping so deep, it takes longer to change directions) which is not quick enough
2) you are catching on stiff legs, with the back leg very straight. By bending your back leg, your hips will be allowed to drop staight down and the hips will stay under you and not drive backwards with your upper body shifting forward.

Do what works best for you, a decent few people power/squat jerk.

Let's see a vid of the power jerks???
Exactly right.

On a personal note: Don't start thinking you are a power jerker. I did this for a while because it was easier in the beginning. After learning to split jerk properly, it worked much better.

[J.L.C.]

I would say the biggest reason is because your using your front leg as an anchor all the weight seems to be distributing there, try distributing the weight more evenly on both legs, bending your rear leg and going a bit deeper will help this.

It seems like one of those chicken vs egg type of things...

I think the weight is out over his front foot because he's jerking the bar forward. You can see the movement shift forward starting at the bottom of the dip.


Exactly right.

On a personal note: Don't start thinking you are a power jerker. I did this for a while because it was easier in the beginning. After learning to split jerk properly, it worked much better.


Similar to Raffiki, I switched over to power jerks exclusively for a while too. After a short time I was putting up more with a power jerk than I was with the split - but I hit the wall relatively quickly and moved back to split jerks.

I still don't think I really know how to split jerk, but I've ironed out a few wrinkles - shortening my dip being one of the major ones. Now I'm putting up way more than I was with the power jerk.

[raffiki]

(@ scott for closing Goju's thread)

Weak!!!

:D

[scott_donald]

(@ scott for closing Goju's thread)

Weak!!!

:D

harsh...

[gbg]

harsh...

Yea, and who deleted mezzie's post in the PL forum scott?
I know you moderate there.

Don't **** with my boys.

[scott_donald]

Yea, and who deleted mezzie's post in the PL forum scott?
I know you moderate there.

Don't **** with my boys.

none of your business who deleted that post...

[crackyflipside]

Yea, and who deleted mezzie's post in the PL forum scott?
I know you moderate there.

Don't **** with my boys.

"Now guys normal forum rules apply here but don't come into this thread looking for an argument on why this method will work or wont work, this has been done before.

This thread is for people who wish to learn from the Bulgarian method and be nice to John as he will be using his own personal time to answer these questions..."

Jus' sayin.




Don't fight with John, it's easier for me to ask him questions here than bug him with a million emails lol

[gbg]

"Now guys normal forum rules apply here but don't come into this thread looking for an argument on why this method will work or wont work, this has been done before.

This thread is for people who wish to learn from the Bulgarian method and be nice to John as he will be using his own personal time to answer these questions..."

Jus' sayin.




Don't fight with John, it's easier for me to ask him questions here than bug him with a million emails lol

Normal rules apply to Broz? Or do I get to insult the entire forum?

[scott_donald]

Normal rules apply to Broz? Or do I get to insult the entire forum?

if he said ye that gbg girl is being a total dick and over reacting like usual then maybe but saying a reply was nauseating no...

[crackyflipside]

Ugh, the internet is serious business...

LET'S HUG IT OUT!

[gbg]

if he said ye that gbg girl is being a total dick and over reacting like usual then maybe but saying a reply was nauseating no...

He did not say 'a reply' he said all of them. Obviously directed at everybody. How is that not flame-bait? Can I go and insult an entire forum, but if I do not direct it at anyone, I suppose it is okay?

[scott_donald]

He did not say 'a reply' he said all of them. Obviously directed at everybody. How is that not flame-bait? Can I go and insult an entire forum, but if I do not direct it at anyone, I suppose it is okay?

he didnt say all of them...

just get over it... the matter is said and done!!!

[gbg]

he didnt say all of them...

just get over it... the matter is said and done!!!

I'm over it.

Hard trying to prove your point when there is none eh? :D

[davidearle]

hYhyVqkNWKk

Hey everyone... Had a good training day today - previously had only done 130 once (like 2 weeks ago) and almost, almost, almost got the 135. I've got provincials in 2 weeks and I'll be good for 135 easy by then I think.

[scott_donald]

hYhyVqkNWKk

Hey everyone... Had a good training day today - previously had only done 130 once (like 2 weeks ago) and almost, almost, almost got the 135. I've got provincials in 2 weeks and I'll be good for 135 easy by then I think.

da so wee and powerful... great stuff...

where are the vids of your sis!!!

[madaozeki]

"Now guys normal forum rules apply here but don't come into this thread looking for an argument on why this method will work or wont work, this has been done before.

This thread is for people who wish to learn from the Bulgarian method and be nice to John as he will be using his own personal time to answer these questions..."

Jus' sayin.




Don't fight with John, it's easier for me to ask him questions here than bug him with a million emails lol

John chose to pick fights with people on FI, the Oly section here, and GoHeavy (oh, and a couple of other sites that I forget the name of just now). He also insults people on YouTube and acts like he's infallible there, too. He carries a chip on his shoulder, is insulting, refuses to listen to any contrary opinions, and comes across like he thinks he is god. The PL forum here is the only place that he'll stay, because it's (mostly) a bunch of impressionable, inexperienced powerlifters with no knowledge about Olympic lifting whatsoever fellating him and stroking his ego, telling him he's a genius and the savior of American lifting, etc etc etc.

The guy's been coaching just over ONE year, has 2 awesome lifters that he recruited after they already had proven they were perhaps the strongest teenagers in the country. Mendes hasn't come within 25kg of his best gym lifts in a meet, and is pretty much always injured, according to reports from Broz himself and others who have been to his gym. Adell, Broz has said in his thread, hasn't even completely committed to Oly lifting, and juggles football alongside it, which reinforces the point that he's not even training "Bulgarian" style regularly and is simply perhaps one of the strongest kids in the country. He also failed to come remotely close to his gym lifts in a meet, and of course had excuses ready after Juniors.

That's all fine, since every lifter has injuries and doesn't always lift up to potential, but... Broz acts like a dick and treats people like garbage wherever he posts (unless they stroke his ego and fellate him repeatedly), and apparently can't engage reasonable, intelligent Olympic lifters or coaches in any sort of debate or productive discussion. In other words, he's your basic 14-year-old Internet idiot, who happens to be 41 and in charge of some really fantastic, amazing lifters.

To treat him like some sort of programming god and censor any dissent is ridiculous, immature, and insulting to the rest of us.

I repeat: give Mendes and Adell to any reasonably competent coach in this country and let them train them for a year. Do you really think they'd be lifting any less than they already are? If so, how much less and why? What specifically is Broz doing differently that makes his methods more effective? Perhaps another coach could have kept Mendes healthy the whole year and he'd be JERKING 240 by now.

Just sayin' :)

[scott_donald]

madi the what if... really is a what if so who cares!!!

sorry but getting so annoyed the thread that gojo asked a question was in the as john broz thread... so he replied... in that thread it is for a q and a with john... that is it... it is not lets go and discuss which method is better...

and as far as the football guy... i asked him how he trains him... answer in thread... plus to get those results and still train for football also is pretty dam good!!!

[gbg]

John chose to pick fights with people on FI, the Oly section here, and GoHeavy (oh, and a couple of other sites that I forget the name of just now). He also insults people on YouTube and acts like he's infallible there, too. He carries a chip on his shoulder, is insulting, refuses to listen to any contrary opinions, and comes across like he thinks he is god. The PL forum here is the only place that he'll stay, because it's (mostly) a bunch of impressionable, inexperienced powerlifters with no knowledge about Olympic lifting whatsoever fellating him and stroking his ego, telling him he's a genius and the savior of American lifting, etc etc etc.

The guy's been coaching just over ONE year, has 2 awesome lifters that he recruited after they already had proven they were perhaps the strongest teenagers in the country. Mendes hasn't come within 25kg of his best gym lifts in a meet, and is pretty much always injured, according to reports from Broz himself and others who have been to his gym. Adell, Broz has said in his thread, hasn't even completely committed to Oly lifting, and juggles football alongside it, which reinforces the point that he's not even training "Bulgarian" style regularly and is simply perhaps one of the strongest kids in the country. He also failed to come remotely close to his gym lifts in a meet, and of course had excuses ready after Juniors.

That's all fine, since every lifter has injuries and doesn't always lift up to potential, but... Broz acts like a dick and treats people like garbage wherever he posts (unless they stroke his ego and fellate him repeatedly), and apparently can't engage reasonable, intelligent Olympic lifters or coaches in any sort of debate or productive discussion. In other words, he's your basic 14-year-old Internet idiot, who happens to be 41 and in charge of some really fantastic, amazing lifters.

To treat him like some sort of programming god and censor any dissent is ridiculous, immature, and insulting to the rest of us.

I repeat: give Mendes and Adell to any reasonably competent coach in this country and let them train them for a year. Do you really think they'd be lifting any less than they already are? If so, how much less and why? What specifically is Broz doing differently that makes his methods more effective? Perhaps another coach could have kept Mendes healthy the whole year and he'd be JERKING 240 by now.

Just sayin' :)

Well said Mezzie.

[madaozeki]

madi the what if... really is a what if so who cares!!!

sorry but getting so annoyed the thread that gojo asked a question was in the as john broz thread... so he replied... in that thread it is for a q and a with john... that is it... it is not lets go and discuss which method is better...

and as far as the football guy... i asked him how he trains him... answer in thread... plus to get those results and still train for football also is pretty dam good!!!

Scott, he sure replied, WHILE INSULTING OUR ENTIRE FORUM by claiming that the thread in the Oly forum 'nauseated' him. He considers us beneath him, but only because we're actually Olympic weightlifters and know what the heck we're talking about, while the powerlifting section doesn't have a clue and eats up his advice as if it's the gospel truth and that he's the chosen one. It's truly sickening.

He gives great advice, mostly, and some crappy advice, which we've all been guilty of. His advice to GoJu also happens to be exactly the same as the advice we all gave, at one point or another. When he gives crappy advice and someone tries to call him on it, he packs up his toys and leaves in a huff, after insulting everyone around.

Treating him like he's better than us (which is EXACTLY what you're doing by enabling and censoring) is wrong, and also insulting. So stop it. You're not god, either.

[davidearle]

da so wee and powerful... great stuff...

where are the vids of your sis!!!

she actually trained at a different time than me today - CJ'd 63 @ 55bw I think. We've got the Ontario Championships coming up in 2 weeks so I'll for sure have some for you then ya filthy animal! haha

[scott_donald]

Scott, he sure replied, WHILE INSULTING OUR ENTIRE FORUM by claiming that the thread in the Oly forum 'nauseated' him. He considers us beneath him, but only because we're actually Olympic weightlifters and know what the heck we're talking about, while the powerlifting section doesn't have a clue and eats up his advice as if it's the gospel truth and that he's the chosen one. It's truly sickening.

He gives great advice, mostly, and some crappy advice, which we've all been guilty of. His advice to GoJu also happens to be exactly the same as the advice we all gave, at one point or another. When he gives crappy advice and someone tries to call him on it, he packs up his toys and leaves in a huff, after insulting everyone around.

Treating him like he's better than us (which is EXACTLY what you're doing by enabling and censoring) is wrong, and also insulting. So stop it. You're not god, either.

i am censoring that thread to keep it on topic...

by all means discus it anywhere else...


she actually trained at a different time than me today - CJ'd 63 @ 55bw I think. We've got the Ontario Championships coming up in 2 weeks so I'll for sure have some for you then ya filthy animal! haha

wow immpressive...

[madaozeki]

i am censoring that thread to keep it on topic...

by all means discus it anywhere else...



Then be thorough, fair, and consistent by censoring his insults. They are not on topic, either.

And a PM to explain why you're censoring him when you do would be appreciated by him I'm sure, since he clearly will never know how much he offends people with his lack of common courtesy and childish manner.

[scott_donald]

Then be thorough, fair, and consistent by censoring his insults. They are not on topic, either.

And a PM to explain why you're censoring him when you do would be appreciated by him I'm sure, since he clearly will never know how much he offends people with his lack of common courtesy and childish manner.

how do you know i havent already...

[madaozeki]

how do you know i havent already...

Because it still says:


Ok- I watched your video, and tried to read the posts that people put. I couldn't make it through all of them before getting nauseous.


That's how.

[scott_donald]

Because it still says:



That's how.

i really dont see it is worth me deleting the post...

[gbg]

Then be thorough, fair, and consistent by censoring his insults. They are not on topic, either.

And a PM to explain why you're censoring him when you do would be appreciated by him I'm sure, since he clearly will never know how much he offends people with his lack of common courtesy and childish manner.

Exactly.

But, and I quote "if he said ye that gbg girl is being a total dick and over reacting he would"

I guess that's what has to be said in order for him to consider it an insult.

There's no use arguing Mezzie we all know the real story, at least the people that matter do.

[madaozeki]

i really dont see it is worth me deleting the post...

Don't delete the post. it was a great post (identical to our posts here, but still). Edit the post and delete the insult. And PM him to tell him you deleted it and to tell him why. He deserves that common courtesy.

And also edit the post where GoJu quoted his insult in the same thread.

[scott_donald]

Don't delete the post. it was a great post (identical to our posts here, but still). Edit the post and delete the insult. And PM him to tell him you deleted it and to tell him why. He deserves that common courtesy.

And also edit the post where GoJu quoted his insult in the same thread.

policy of mods is not to edit posts...

[gbg]

policy of mods is not to edit posts...

Not true, you can edit post just leave a quote that you edited it.

[scott_donald]

Not true, you can edit post just leave a quote that you edited it.

nope ever since i have been a mod about years that has been policy... if eric edited posts he shouldnt have...

[madaozeki]

nope ever since i have been a mod about years that has been policy... if eric edited posts he shouldnt have...

Is the policy of mods to delete posts entirely without informing the person who posted why they were deleted or even that they were deleted at all, if that person is a known poster and not a spam-bot?

Because both my posts were removed and no-one ever messaged me or told me why. I had to ask.

[madaozeki]

And if that's the policy, then yes, you should go ahead and remove the entire post. It's that important.

[scott_donald]

Is the policy of mods to delete posts entirely without informing the person who posted why they were deleted or even that they were deleted at all, if that person is a known poster and not a spam-bot?

Because both my posts were removed and no-one ever messaged me or told me why. I had to ask.

yep... delete lots of posts... there is a warning in that thread what it is about...

you didn't adhere to that so there for deleted...

so you expect me to ppm everyone after i delete a post... that would be thousands of pms!!!

is it not obvious after it being deleted once you shouldn't repeat it...


And if that's the policy, then yes, you should go ahead and remove the entire post. It's that important.

nope...

[gbg]

nope ever since i have been a mod about years that has been policy... if eric edited posts he shouldnt have...

So when links to sites are edited out in the supplement section because an otherwise worthwhile post should not be deleted, all of the mods there are doing it wrong?

I have, on good authority, been told that even Fitty has edited posts, and that it is not part of the rules that mods are supposed to follow.

Evidently this 'policy' that you speak of is not only not posted in the mod forum, the admin is unaware of it as well.

[scott_donald]

So when links to sites are edited out in the supplement section because an otherwise worthwhile post should not be deleted, all of the mods there are doing it wrong?

I have, on good authority, been told that even Fitty has edited posts, and that it is not part of the rules that mods are supposed to follow.

Evidently this 'policy' that you speak of is not only not posted in the mod forum, the admin is unaware of it as well.

oh god... you really dont give up...

i have never modded the supp forum and would hate to do it...

policy may be different there...

you shouldn't know what is in the mod forum...

[gbg]

oh god... you really dont give up...

i have never modded the supp forum and would hate to do it...

policy may be different there...

you shouldn't know what is in the mod forum...

And you should know how to mod one.

[King922]

Perhaps another coach could have kept Mendes healthy the whole year and he'd be JERKING 240 by now.
Just sayin' :)
Am I wrong or is not already jerking that much or almost that much now? And hes snatched 195 already! I don't see how that's not good coaching and training? Hes not even 20 and hasn't been training consistently like this for very long! Yet hes very near the world records, hes squatted 350kgs raw Oly style! Then you see all the people that are working on this program and the great gains but that means nothing? And he was injured really anyone can get hurt... And try cleaning 500lbs with a screwed up wrist!
I do respect you and I know your very knowledgeable but man come on give him some credit!

[J.L.C.]

Am I wrong or is not already jerking that much or almost that much now? And hes snatched 195 already! I don't see how that's not good coaching and training? Hes not even 20 and hasn't been training consistently like this for very long! Yet hes very near the world records, hes squatted 350kgs raw Oly style! Then you see all the people that are working on this program and the great gains but that means nothing? And he was injured really anyone can get hurt... And try cleaning 500lbs with a screwed up wrist!
I do respect you and I know your very knowledgeable but man come on give him some credit!

All of the people that are working on his program?

Do you mean the legion of powerlifters that don't do any oly lifts?

[King922]

No I mean the oly lifters.. Im doing it seen good gains so far, cracky is to. There are others but I dont remember all the names if you look youll see as well he has more lifters than just Pat and Rob look at the girl hes go that cleaned 60kgs after 3 months of training? My girlfriend is also doing a modified version with less days shes seen huge gains lifting for 2.5 months and squatting 60kgs and deadlifted 80kgs today at 45kg bodyweight. Plus powerlifters may not be the best representation but it does show the program has some merit does it not?

[scott_donald]

All of the people that are working on his program?

Do you mean the legion of powerlifters that don't do any oly lifts?

dude thats just picking an argument...

if you visit the thread there are many people using it for many different applications...

cracky is a great example... gew was when he left...

he doesn't just train two athletes.... what about all the athletes in Bulgaria... What about all the chinese athletes who basically use the bulgarian method and the russian method combined...

[J.L.C.]

dude thats just picking an argument...

if you visit the thread there are many people using it for many different applications...

cracky is a great example... gew was when he left...

he doesn't just train two athletes.... what about all the athletes in Bulgaria... What about all the chinese athletes who basically use the bulgarian method and the russian method combined...

It's not just picking an argument at all. Powerlifters don't do or compete in oly lifts - I don't see how that would (or should) even offend anyone.

I don't see how the multiple maxes a day is doing anything more for people than more reasonable approaches would also accomplish.

I also read cracky's log regularly.

Gew had more success when he took a couple of days off. I haven't seen anyone setting PRs during "the dark times". People are making gains when they back off, which is much more in line with conventional dual factor theory than it is with this proposed multiple daily maxes and disbelief in overtraining.

What about "all the athletes in bulgaria"? You mean the ones who are banned from international competition? Or are you referring to the lifters from the 80s?

Have you seen any programming for Chinese athletes?

As far as I know, everyone in this forum is clean, or at least doesn't have the luxury of a medical staff taking care of their cycles...

[King922]

The idea isnt that your supposed to gain during the dark times! The dark times are said to be the time when your weak and you feel like you want to stop because your body is adjusting to the new volume! The idea of daily maxes is to get you used to the feel of a max weight and from my experiences it has helped a lot! Before I hit my dark times even tho my max is 85 in C+J I could casually hit 80kgs without even batting an eye because of how used to the heavy weights i am now!

[ZachOly]

Am I wrong or is not already jerking that much or almost that much now? And hes snatched 195 already! I don't see how that's not good coaching and training?

Youtube lifts don't mean anything. Until Pat does it on the national stage (and drug tested), it doesn't really matter.

I mean, Caleb Ward is out there competing and breaking records. I've seen his log, and he doesn't go max out every day.

[crackyflipside]

The backing off is something your body does automatically by not allowing you to lift more weight. What looks like backing off for you is me busting my butt to get easy weights from other days. When I physically do back off, it's because I'm wussing out of the training, it is very mentally draining and sometimes I do give up. As for overtraining, it is not an issue. The way overtraining is spoken about in conventional strength training is a very long term ordeal that unless you abstain from all heavy work, you won't recover. That is not true.

There is no substitute for maximum lifts in building confidence. That has been my biggest weakness with all of these programs. Training by feel when I started I was very consistent hitting PR's, with % programs, my technique improved but confidence with max weights dropped a ton, back to going by feel and having minimal structure with this program now provides me confidence in attempting maximum weights as well as giving volume work at lighter weight to improve technique (whenever I stop slacking and do them).

[King922]

Hes preparing for the olympics he doesnt need to prove his worth we know he can lift these weights! He knows that these competitions dont mean much compared to winning at the olympics! And his wrist is still bothering him, would you compete with a damaged wrist? Plus sure Caleb webb doesnt max everyday but that doesnt mean this method doesnt work! No one said it was the only way just that its a good way!

[King922]

The backing off is something your body does automatically by not allowing you to lift more weight. What looks like backing off for you is me busting my butt to get easy weights from other days. When I physically do back off, it's because I'm wussing out of the training, it is very mentally draining and sometimes I do give up. As for overtraining, it is not an issue. The way overtraining is spoken about in conventional strength training is a very long term ordeal that unless you abstain from all heavy work, you won't recover. That is not true.

There is no substitute for maximum lifts in building confidence. That has been my biggest weakness with all of these programs. Training by feel when I started I was very consistent hitting PR's, with % programs, my technique improved but confidence with max weights dropped a ton, back to going by feel and having minimal structure with this program now provides me confidence in attempting maximum weights as well as giving volume work at lighter weight to improve technique (whenever I stop slacking and do them).
Put it very well I feel the same way! :)

[J.L.C.]

I guess it just wouldn't work for me.

Missing 9/10 lifts over 90% wouldn't give me confidence with heavy weights, it would make me nervous about attempting them at a competition.

Weekly maxes and mock competitions seem to work best for me while allowing me to take care of everything I need to do outside of the gym.

[crackyflipside]

Pat has snatched 191 a few days ago, not sure how the 195 got started but I thought it was that as well.

[raffiki]

harsh...

Turned out to be more harsh than expected...

[ZachOly]

Pat has snatched 191 a few days ago, not sure how the 195 got started but I thought it was that as well.

Any idea when his next comp is?

[King922]

Pat has snatched 191 a few days ago, not sure how the 195 got started but I thought it was that as well.

Ahh right sorry got that wrong! He had said he was very close on 195 twice my mistake! :p

[madaozeki]

dude thats just picking an argument...

if you visit the thread there are many people using it for many different applications...

cracky is a great example... gew was when he left...




he doesn't just train two athletes.... what about all the athletes in Bulgaria... What about all the chinese athletes who basically use the bulgarian method and the russian method combined...

No offense but I don't consider cracky a good example. In fact, I consider him a counter-example, since he's not genetically elite and not really thriving on the routine IN MY OPINION. He's been cutting back, skipping volume work, hasn't cleaned a PR the whole program, and has made small gains in other lifts, that could've been possible on a more conventional program. Particularly on snatch, he has a wicked pull, but has had technique issues that he's finally ironing out. If he had had access to a decent technical coach over the past year, I have no doubt in my mind he'd be snatching 95 by now routinely, and also clean and jerking 120 (which he's not close to yet, with 111, but hopefully will get soon). I assume that when/if he goes down to train with Broz in person, he'll be hitting 100/125 fairly soon. Because of the programming? No. Because Broz has a great eye for technique and knows how to train a lifter and make sure they're doing the right thing in their workouts, just like plenty of other coaches in this country.

Gew was lifting Bulgarian for what, a week or 2? And he's a former powerlifter who squatted over 500 (600?) lbs powerlifting style, so he should be expected to be hitting bigger squat numbers than he has been so far squatting Oly style, and he knows it. He's got great potential and will be doing amazing things when he gets back, but again, is it the specific programming? No. It's not. You can't judge an entire approach to programming after 2 weeks of implementation.

King, if I said to any coach: "Hey I know this 17-year-old kid who heaves up a 160kg football-style powerclean. What do you think his potential is?" first they would say "Are you kidding me? No-one I've ever seen has that kind of potential." And then they'd say "He has the potential to be competitive internationally for sure and is strong enough to medal nationally right now".

So Broz is enabling a fantastically-gifted athlete to achieve his potential, which is admirable and what any coach should do. But, and this is a BIG but, it's likely that a wide variety of programming styles would have worked with Mendes, just as Kendrick Farris is on a program many would consider ludicrous, yet is competitive internationally because he's simply built for it and has put in the effort to get there. It's the coach's job to not screw up that kind of potential, and help a lifter realize it. Broz has done that? Dunno, since again, Mendes is injured too often to actually compete, doesn't hold a single American senior record, and hasn't competed internationally yet. As far as I know, he snatched 191, and I've never heard of him putting an actual clean AND jerk together on the same lift for more than 220. It might have happened, but I've never seen vid or heard of it.

Ever hear of Steve Miller? He was the coach that Shane Hamman worked with when he converted to Olympic weightlifting after being a champion powerlifter. Miller basically built a name for himself by coaching Hamman to all the American records in his weight class, and some impressive international performances. Has he done anything else of note in his coaching career? Besides being handled the reins of some international American teams, no, nothing. Not because he's not a good coach; he's adequate, but not brilliant, but because no other athlete has ever stepped into his gym with the same kind of potential. Having the horses doesn't make you a good coach; helping the lifters you happen to get achieve their potential while keeping them healthy does.

Also, "people using it for many different applications". Are you kidding me? You have a few gung-ho eager kids jumping into 7-days-a-week training with no buildup and some have seen gains after a couple of weeks. Maybe wait a year or 2 to see where they are then, and if they're still training the same way. I guarantee you 95% of them will have plateaued as we all do and abandoned that style of training for something else, which of course will work, since a new training stimulus is often just what people need.

So to sum up, I never said Broz doesn't deserve respect AS A COACH. He's doing solid things with his lifters and has a ton to offer. However, I will say that he certainly doesn't deserve much respect as a person, with his insulting manner and adolescent attitude. He also dismisses comments about injury and such in a dangerous fashion, basically telling people to train unless they're in the hospital. It's a very irresponsible thing to be saying, what with no medical training or direct access to the lifters he's advising.



he doesn't just train two athletes.... what about all the athletes in Bulgaria... What about all the chinese athletes who basically use the bulgarian method and the russian method combined...

Huh? Broz doesn't train all the athletes in Bulgaria or any Chinese athletes. The Chinese athletes do NOT "basically use the Bulgarian method and the russian method combined". Do you know what that even means? EVERY serious athlete from EVERY competitive country in the world is training multiple sessions per day, 5 to 7 days per week. There's nothing new about that. American athletes do that too. But if you don't have the genes to be an elite weightlifter, it ain't going to happen no matter what you do.

And that's why I still think Broz's greatest skills as a coach are motivation and recruitment.

He still comes across as an ass and treats people he doesn't know like garbage, so does not deserve my respect as a person.

[crackyflipside]

I guess it just wouldn't work for me.

Missing 9/10 lifts over 90% wouldn't give me confidence with heavy weights, it would make me nervous about attempting them at a competition.

Weekly maxes and mock competitions seem to work best for me while allowing me to take care of everything I need to do outside of the gym.

That's the thing, I know some people wouldn't respond well to this training, it's just I responded well to it.

For me, getting that 3.5 times more volume than a standard 4/wk program is indispensable in terms of building confidence even if it's just by doing more lifts with less than max to feel more technically solid and have a better feel for the bar. That 3.5 is everything for me. The way I look at it is that compared to what I was doing, now I will gain 3.5 times more experience doing the lifts even if I miss 3.5 times more often I'm still making max weights 3.5 times more than I would using some % program. Once you throw in the volume work with the lighter than max weights you can get a ton of experience with the weights. You might not need this but I do.

[madaozeki]

That's the thing, I know some people wouldn't respond well to this training, it's just I responded well to it.

For me, getting that 3.5 times more volume than a standard 4/wk program is indispensable in terms of building confidence even if it's just by doing more lifts with less than max to feel more technically solid and have a better feel for the bar. That 3.5 is everything for me. The way I look at it is that compared to what I was doing, now I will gain 3.5 times more experience doing the lifts even if I miss 3.5 times more often I'm still making max weights 3.5 times more than I would using some % program. Once you throw in the volume work with the lighter than max weights you can get a ton of experience with the weights. You might not need this but I do.

I think the 3.5x benefit you're getting would be unnecessary if you were training regularly with a competent coach providing daily guidance and motivation. But in the meantime, it could be good for you.

[J.L.C.]

I've just found that banging away at misses does nothing but get me down on myself and hurt my technique.

One piece of advice that I got when I first started was "don't miss in training".

I laughed at it back then, because all I did was miss. But now I see the value in it. For me, success breeds success, making lifts gives me confidence and lets me attack PRs with confidence and aggression.

Missing repeatedly, especially with sub max weights, leaves me going in with the expectation of missing and totally messes up technique as I end up trying to correct on the fly.

[King922]

Why is not very impressive to take someone and make them a champion? Just because we know someone already has potential doesnt mean its not impressive! Anytime anyway takes anyone and makes them a champion you could say oh well he had potential already thats not that impressive anyone could get him there! Now maybe that is true that other coaches could get him to where he is but the program does work. Other programs work as well Im not saying this is the ONLY way to do things just I like it and it works for lots of people. I dont see why its such a big deal to say this program works for some people. Maybe Ive only done it for awhile but I havent even been able to go full on everyday twice a day yet and Ive seen some good gains and huge confidence increase! I am buying some weights for at home though! If it would help sway your thinking a little once I do get them I will log every workout I do to get another look at things. It may also be a little off because I do not really have a good coach however, hes more of a training partner. But I could give it a shot!

[madaozeki]

Why is not very impressive to take someone and make them a champion? Just because we know someone already has potential doesnt mean its not impressive! Anytime anyway takes anyone and makes them a champion you could say oh well he had potential already thats not that impressive anyone could get him there! Now maybe that is true that other coaches could get him to where he is but the program does work. Other programs work as well Im not saying this is the ONLY way to do things just I like it and it works for lots of people. I dont see why its such a big deal to say this program works for some people. Maybe Ive only done it for awhile but I havent even been able to go full on everyday twice a day yet and Ive seen some good gains and huge confidence increase! I am buying some weights for at home though! If it would help sway your thinking a little once I do get them I will log every workout I do to get another look at things. It may also be a little off because I do not really have a good coach however, hes more of a training partner. But I could give it a shot!

I agree with everything you're saying, actually. I think it's very impressive to take a lifter with potential and help them realize that potential. I also think Broz's program works, particularly for those with the constitution to handle it. Of course other programs also work just as well, so if you're going to choose between a program that has you training to the brink of death and constant injury (which is what Broz has said you should do) 2-3 times a day, 6-7 days a week, basically making lifting your entire life, or another program that will have you training 1-2 times a day, 4-5 days a week, with the exact same results, which one would you choose?

My point is that Broz himself comes across as belittling, condescending, unwilling to accept other ideas, insistent that his own methods are the best, etc etc etc. He posted on a different message board with a lot of accomplished lifters, who basically laughed at his bro-sciency posts, so he insulted them and left. Same thing happened here in the Olympic lifting forum. Same thing happened on GoHeavy. Same thing happened on another board. So why should he get his own little insulated thread where he can pronounce down on the masses as though he was god, and have any and all criticism censored, while he's allowed to insult others at will?

Well, he shouldn't. It's as simple as that.

[chyoly]

nice post here madaozeki. i've been reading some of the technical advice he's been giving, and it's clear he's learned from european coaches - terminology, cues, etc - everything i've heard from my coaches.

the biggest question i have with this type of training is, why?

if a linearly periodized program + keen eye for technique three times a week takes you to intermediate level (275-300 sinclair), then a percentage based program + keen eye for technique four-five times a week for 2-3 hour sessions takes you to a 350 sinclair, WHY WOULD ANYONE PROGRAM THIS WAY UNTIL THEY HAVE A 350 sinclair?

the program clearly works for advanced lifters (and interestingly, clearly does not work at the highest levels without the drugs - recent turk and bulgarian teams??) but until then, there is no reason to put this kind of time into training when it is clearly not necessary.

if anything looking at the people that are trying this right now, it proves the point against this program for UNSUPERVISED UNTRAINED individuals. where "untrained" means "not yet possessing great technical prowess". cracky, for example. dude, how it has been possibly compatible with your life to do as many sessions as you have thus far is amazing, and impresses me immensely. however, please, consider that you snatch 80k weighing 80k. you don't need this program right now. you need broz's coaching eye, but probably not the programming.




No offense but I don't consider cracky a good example. In fact, I consider him a counter-example, since he's not genetically elite and not really thriving on the routine IN MY OPINION. He's been cutting back, skipping volume work, hasn't cleaned a PR the whole program, and has made small gains in other lifts, that could've been possible on a more conventional program. Particularly on snatch, he has a wicked pull, but has had technique issues that he's finally ironing out. If he had had access to a decent technical coach over the past year, I have no doubt in my mind he'd be snatching 95 by now routinely, and also clean and jerking 120 (which he's not close to yet, with 111, but hopefully will get soon). I assume that when/if he goes down to train with Broz in person, he'll be hitting 100/125 fairly soon. Because of the programming? No. Because Broz has a great eye for technique and knows how to train a lifter and make sure they're doing the right thing in their workouts, just like plenty of other coaches in this country.

Gew was lifting Bulgarian for what, a week or 2? And he's a former powerlifter who squatted over 500 (600?) lbs powerlifting style, so he should be expected to be hitting bigger squat numbers than he has been so far squatting Oly style, and he knows it. He's got great potential and will be doing amazing things when he gets back, but again, is it the specific programming? No. It's not. You can't judge an entire approach to programming after 2 weeks of implementation.

King, if I said to any coach: "Hey I know this 17-year-old kid who heaves up a 160kg football-style powerclean. What do you think his potential is?" first they would say "Are you kidding me? No-one I've ever seen has that kind of potential." And then they'd say "He has the potential to be competitive internationally for sure and is strong enough to medal nationally right now".

So Broz is enabling a fantastically-gifted athlete to achieve his potential, which is admirable and what any coach should do. But, and this is a BIG but, it's likely that a wide variety of programming styles would have worked with Mendes, just as Kendrick Farris is on a program many would consider ludicrous, yet is competitive internationally because he's simply built for it and has put in the effort to get there. It's the coach's job to not screw up that kind of potential, and help a lifter realize it. Broz has done that? Dunno, since again, Mendes is injured too often to actually compete, doesn't hold a single American senior record, and hasn't competed internationally yet. As far as I know, he snatched 191, and I've never heard of him putting an actual clean AND jerk together on the same lift for more than 220. It might have happened, but I've never seen vid or heard of it.

Ever hear of Steve Miller? He was the coach that Shane Hamman worked with when he converted to Olympic weightlifting after being a champion powerlifter. Miller basically built a name for himself by coaching Hamman to all the American records in his weight class, and some impressive international performances. Has he done anything else of note in his coaching career? Besides being handled the reins of some international American teams, no, nothing. Not because he's not a good coach; he's adequate, but not brilliant, but because no other athlete has ever stepped into his gym with the same kind of potential. Having the horses doesn't make you a good coach; helping the lifters you happen to get achieve their potential while keeping them healthy does.

Also, "people using it for many different applications". Are you kidding me? You have a few gung-ho eager kids jumping into 7-days-a-week training with no buildup and some have seen gains after a couple of weeks. Maybe wait a year or 2 to see where they are then, and if they're still training the same way. I guarantee you 95% of them will have plateaued as we all do and abandoned that style of training for something else, which of course will work, since a new training stimulus is often just what people need.

So to sum up, I never said Broz doesn't deserve respect AS A COACH. He's doing solid things with his lifters and has a ton to offer. However, I will say that he certainly doesn't deserve much respect as a person, with his insulting manner and adolescent attitude. He also dismisses comments about injury and such in a dangerous fashion, basically telling people to train unless they're in the hospital. It's a very irresponsible thing to be saying, what with no medical training or direct access to the lifters he's advising.



Huh? Broz doesn't train all the athletes in Bulgaria or any Chinese athletes. The Chinese athletes do NOT "basically use the Bulgarian method and the russian method combined". Do you know what that even means? EVERY serious athlete from EVERY competitive country in the world is training multiple sessions per day, 5 to 7 days per week. There's nothing new about that. American athletes do that too. But if you don't have the genes to be an elite weightlifter, it ain't going to happen no matter what you do.

And that's why I still think Broz's greatest skills as a coach are motivation and recruitment.

He still comes across as an ass and treats people he doesn't know like garbage, so does not deserve my respect as a person.

[Fury22]

Wow....I go shopping for a day and miss some serious drama.

[Fury22]

I've just found that banging away at misses does nothing but get me down on myself and hurt my technique.

One piece of advice that I got when I first started was "don't miss in training".

I laughed at it back then, because all I did was miss. But now I see the value in it. For me, success breeds success, making lifts gives me confidence and lets me attack PRs with confidence and aggression.

Missing repeatedly, especially with sub max weights, leaves me going in with the expectation of missing and totally messes up technique as I end up trying to correct on the fly.

I have to agree with this. Especially after Friday. Normally I give myself a maximum of 6 tries, sometimes 5, to hit a weight. If I can't, I either move on or stop. Friday as an example, I don't know wtf was going on, but I could not for the life of me hit a 180 snatch. 15 pounds under my max. I mean, hate missing, but 1 miss or so at 180 is not a big deal, especially if I am doing multiple singles. But I tried 10 times, and no go. The more I missed the worse it got and the less confidence I had. I switched to some high hang snatches to practice getting under the bar faster, since I was moving so slow, and guess what. Miss, miss miss. I've found that often if I can't get before 5 misses, it's not going to happen and if I keep trying I'm just going to get worse, so I need to cut my losses and fight another day. Friday I just got angry at the fact that I could not hit a weight that I should be throwing around with no problem.

I do train with some of the bulgarian principles I guess: I train a lot, train by feel in the sense that I don't train according to a percentage chart and train as heavy as I can everyday. However, I have found that I do well having at least one full rest day per week, although it is sometimes 2. (Wednesday because I have class and work all day from 9am to 8:15pm). Sometimes I go in for 30 or 40 minutes and do some pulls if I get out of class in time (gym closes at 9, and we usually tend to get out of class about 20 minutes early or so). I have found that I have adjusted to high volume & high frequency pretty well, although it's not anywhere close to the frequency and volume of many lifters. I just don't have the time with school and work and possibly another job here shortly.

Although I will say that after starting over from the bottom in June (started back with the bar, worked back up) and never having had a coach or formal hands on instruction, I have done pretty well for a long-limbed skinny bastard.

[madaozeki]

nice post here madaozeki. i've been reading some of the technical advice he's been giving, and it's clear he's learned from european coaches - terminology, cues, etc - everything i've heard from my coaches.

the biggest question i have with this type of training is, why?

if a linearly periodized program + keen eye for technique three times a week takes you to intermediate level (275-300 sinclair), then a percentage based program + keen eye for technique four-five times a week for 2-3 hour sessions takes you to a 350 sinclair, WHY WOULD ANYONE PROGRAM THIS WAY UNTIL THEY HAVE A 350 sinclair?

the program clearly works for advanced lifters (and interestingly, clearly does not work at the highest levels without the drugs - recent turk and bulgarian teams??) but until then, there is no reason to put this kind of time into training when it is clearly not necessary.

if anything looking at the people that are trying this right now, it proves the point against this program for UNSUPERVISED UNTRAINED individuals. where "untrained" means "not yet possessing great technical prowess". cracky, for example. dude, how it has been possibly compatible with your life to do as many sessions as you have thus far is amazing, and impresses me immensely. however, please, consider that you snatch 80k weighing 80k. you don't need this program right now. you need broz's coaching eye, but probably not the programming.

You said this a lot more eloquently and succinctly than I ever had, thanks :) It's nice having some fresh eyes on this!

[endpoint]

Youtube lifts don't mean anything. Until Pat does it on the national stage (and drug tested), it doesn't really matter.

I mean, Caleb Ward is out there competing and breaking records. I've seen his log, and he doesn't go max out every day.

Where is calebs log? on the pendlay site? I could only find a log of 8 posts

I thought pendlay was into the maxing out 2 times a day 3 times a week. with 3 days only 1 session

[King922]

I agree with everything you're saying, actually. I think it's very impressive to take a lifter with potential and help them realize that potential. I also think Broz's program works, particularly for those with the constitution to handle it. Of course other programs also work just as well, so if you're going to choose between a program that has you training to the brink of death and constant injury (which is what Broz has said you should do) 2-3 times a day, 6-7 days a week, basically making lifting your entire life, or another program that will have you training 1-2 times a day, 4-5 days a week, with the exact same results, which one would you choose?

My point is that Broz himself comes across as belittling, condescending, unwilling to accept other ideas, insistent that his own methods are the best, etc etc etc. He posted on a different message board with a lot of accomplished lifters, who basically laughed at his bro-sciency posts, so he insulted them and left. Same thing happened here in the Olympic lifting forum. Same thing happened on GoHeavy. Same thing happened on another board. So why should he get his own little insulated thread where he can pronounce down on the masses as though he was god, and have any and all criticism censored, while he's allowed to insult others at will?

Well, he shouldn't. It's as simple as that.

If I got the exact same results? Probably 4-5 days! :p But Im still going to give it a shot I love lifting very heavy and very often! :)

And Im not sure about the other stuff I dont know much there so Ill try not to get on anyones bad side too much!

[madaozeki]

If I got the exact same results? Probably 4-5 days! :p But Im still going to give it a shot I love lifting very heavy and very often! :)

And Im not sure about the other stuff I dont know much there so Ill try not to get on anyones bad side too much!

Lifting heavy and often is fun and rewarding, as long as you're staying within yourself. As for the other stuff, I don't think you were around for much or any of it! :D

[chyoly]

broz could probably make us all into better lifters. but that would require moving near his club such that we could train with him. this is no different than any other system in the world.

this is the additional problem... people that are not connected to him are "trying his system". this won't work no matter what you're dealing with. imagine learning to play any other sport through a message board.

[madaozeki]

broz could probably make us all into better lifters. but that would require moving near his club such that we could train with him. this is no different than any other system in the world.

this is the additional problem... people that are not connected to him are "trying his system". this won't work no matter what you're dealing with. imagine learning to play any other sport through a message board.

Well said. You're much better at this get-your-point-across quickly and clearly thing than I am.

[boykid28]

hYhyVqkNWKk

Hey everyone... Had a good training day today - previously had only done 130 once (like 2 weeks ago) and almost, almost, almost got the 135. I've got provincials in 2 weeks and I'll be good for 135 easy by then I think.

nice vid man. u catch the bar really low. it seems like the jerk is the hardest part for everyone, including me. i usually do 5 x for 2 at 80%. it has helped me because the 2nd rep u have to really dig deep.

[boykid28]

I've just found that banging away at misses does nothing but get me down on myself and hurt my technique.

One piece of advice that I got when I first started was "don't miss in training".

I laughed at it back then, because all I did was miss. But now I see the value in it. For me, success breeds success, making lifts gives me confidence and lets me attack PRs with confidence and aggression.

Missing repeatedly, especially with sub max weights, leaves me going in with the expectation of missing and totally messes up technique as I end up trying to correct on the fly.

i totally agree with you. misses break people down physically and mentally. i know people want to lift more weight but not at the expense of missing constantly. if someone is using the bulgarian method and doing maximum/heavy lifts for like, i dont know, 10+ sets in a day then they should focus on trying to get as many quality successful lifts as possible. 90% of max is high enough to be considered heavy and it shouldnt be too heavy to not work on form.

with oly lifting you have to leave your ego outside.the succesful lifters are the ones who train smart, not hard.

[scott_donald]

the simplest answer is that there are so many ways to train...

i dont use broz method but i can see how it works...

[scott_donald]

Turned out to be more harsh than expected...

yep...

[ZachOly]

Anyone ever had their shoulders massaged by a pro? Thinking about getting them done tomorrow, just not sure if it's painful or not...

[gbg]

Anyone ever had their shoulders massaged by a pro? Thinking about getting them done tomorrow, just not sure if it's painful or not...

No, but I don't think it would be painful, unless you got a deep tissue and you have adhesion's built up.

[StrongestSperm]

Given a choice between focus and oxygen, oxygen can wait.

lol he banned? wtf

[chyoly]

if you're thinking about getting some ART done, do it up - highly beneficial recovery technique. some people are a little squemish, but honestly, go in with a light attitude, and it will be really really funny just how much it hurts


Anyone ever had their shoulders massaged by a pro? Thinking about getting them done tomorrow, just not sure if it's painful or not...

[gbg]

lol he banned? wtf

He requested his account be banned.

[madaozeki]

the simplest answer is that there are so many ways to train...

i dont use broz method but i can see how it works...

So apparently you don't care enough about the people in this forum to moderate properly, or you're scared of Broz.

The insults are still up in his thread, and I confirmed with 4 other mods that there's NO written policy anywhere about not editing posts.

Thanks Scott, you totally rock.

[scott_donald]

So apparently you don't care enough about the people in this forum to moderate properly, or you're scared of Broz.

The insults are still up in his thread, and I confirmed with 4 other mods that there's NO written policy anywhere about not editing posts.

Thanks Scott, you totally rock.

which mods...

and if i really had the time i would search for ryans post that said mods must not edit posts... it was a few years back...

[madaozeki]

which mods...

and if i really had the time i would search for ryans post that said mods must not edit posts... it was a few years back...

None of your business.

You have plenty of time to post here every 6 seconds, so I'm sure you have time to find Ryan's post :)

Besides, we concluded yesterday that if you really can't edit posts (which is untrue), then you should definitely remove the offending posts in their entirety to be truly moderating in a fair and even-handed manner, rather than crapping on the Oly forum and enabling Broz and pumping up his ego at the same time.

[gbg]

None of your business.

You have plenty of time to post here every 6 seconds, so I'm sure you have time to find Ryan's post :)

Besides, we concluded yesterday that if you really can't edit posts (which is untrue), then you should definitely remove the offending posts in their entirety to be truly moderating in a fair and even-handed manner, rather than crapping on the Oly forum and enabling Broz and pumping up his ego at the same time.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/Supaflyw00t/PWND.gif

[scott_donald]

one problem... i don think that its offending!!!

and i have found the thread... but its in the mod forum so cant quote...

[madaozeki]

one problem... i don think that its offending!!!

Then my responses, BOTH of which you removed (even though the 2nd one wasn't remotely controversial) shouldn't have been offending either.

Besides, you're wrong. It's not important whether YOU consider it offending. The fact is that several regular Oly forum posters DID consider it offending. Which should matter more? You should know that as a mod, no?

And why bring that up now? You were meandering around saying you didn't want to remove the post, couldn't edit posts, and NOW you say "oh actually, it wasn't offensive".

Have some balls Scott and stick to your guns.

[madaozeki]

and i have found the thread... but its in the mod forum so cant quote...

Well then I have no reason to believe you, since that's certainly in your best interests. I think I'll believe 4 other mods instead.

[Fury22]

The drama continues...

[scott_donald]

Then my responses, BOTH of which you removed (even though the 2nd one wasn't remotely controversial) shouldn't have been offending either.

Besides, you're wrong. It's not important whether YOU consider it offending. The fact is that several regular Oly forum posters DID consider it offending. Which should matter more? You should know that as a mod, no?

And why bring that up now? You were meandering around saying you didn't want to remove the post, couldn't edit posts, and NOW you say "oh actually, it wasn't offensive".

Have some balls Scott and stick to your guns.

i have said all along that i don't think its offending... i have said i don't edit posts and i have said that our posts were not asking john a question they were against what was laid out in the thread from the beginning and hence deleted... that thread is for people who want to learn from him... you obviously don't so stay out of there rather than just trying to start a discussion which really has no final answer as every training method has its benefits and negatives...


Well then I have no reason to believe you, since that's certainly in your best interests. I think I'll believe 4 other mods instead.

well i cant link you to the thread...

[scott_donald]

The drama continues...

there is no drama its all said and done...

[madaozeki]

The drama continues...

If Scott would just admit he's wrong and/or lying, put my posts back up, or remove Broz's post which violated the thread rules as mine apparently did, then it would all be over. The only reason that thread had rules to begin with is because Broz couldn't engage in productive discussion here in the Oly forum, so he went off to hide in the PL section where he could sit back, relax, and bask in the glory of his own words without fear of dissenting opinion.

Favoring one poster over another is against the elusive mod rules, after all. Especially a poster with a short posting history including numerous insults, condescending treatment of others, and a god complex. You know, like a typical miscer ;)

[madaozeki]

there is no drama its all said and done...

No Scott, it's all SAID, but nothing has been DONE, and that's the point.

You either follow the rules, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. By not doing the right thing you're simply a disgrace as a mod. Pathetic.

If one poster is allowed to insult another, then he should be allowed to respond, no? Stifling one poster while allowing another to go on and on and on about whatever he wants without repercussions is bull****.

[scott_donald]

No Scott, it's all SAID, but nothing has been DONE, and that's the point.

You either follow the rules, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. By not doing the right thing you're simply a disgrace as a mod. Pathetic.

If one poster is allowed to insult another, then he should be allowed to respond, no? Stifling one poster while allowing another to go on and on and on about whatever he wants without repercussions is bull****.

wow seriously give up...

fed up of it now...

[madaozeki]

wow seriously give up...

fed up of it now...

Are you Scott, are you? I'm so sorry. Can you tell I'm fed up too? Which of us is more important? Which of us deserves getting fed up? Which one of us should be forced to do something about it?

If you're so fed up, do something about it. Seriously, you're a mod, right? You have the power to do the right thing.

Why are you fed up, Scott? Because deep in your heart of hearts you know you're wrong? Because you are. Hurts, doesn't it?

[Fury22]

there is no drama its all said and done...


If Scott would just admit he's wrong and/or lying, put my posts back up, or remove Broz's post which violated the thread rules as mine apparently did, then it would all be over. The only reason that thread had rules to begin with is because Broz couldn't engage in productive discussion here in the Oly forum, so he went off to hide in the PL section where he could sit back, relax, and bask in the glory of his own words without fear of dissenting opinion.

Favoring one poster over another is against the elusive mod rules, after all. Especially a poster with a short posting history including numerous insults, condescending treatment of others, and a god complex. You know, like a typical miscer ;)

I don't even know what happened. All I know is that I spend a day shopping and relaxing, all is well, got some great deals and nice new threads, a $70 bottle of ***** by ***** cologne for $45 b/c I layed down some game, and I get home to see this had exploded.

[scott_donald]

I don't even know what happened. All I know is that I spend a day shopping and relaxing, all is well, got some great deals and nice new threads, a $70 bottle of ***** by ***** cologne for $45 b/c I layed down some game, and I get home to see this had exploded.

what does it smell like???

haha i just deleted a boob pic as someones main profile pic on bodyspace!!!!

[J.L.C.]

I don't even know what happened. All I know is that I spend a day shopping and relaxing, all is well, got some great deals and nice new threads, a $70 bottle of ***** by ***** cologne for $45 b/c I layed down some game, and I get home to see this had exploded.

That should be good for at least 10kg on the total

[madaozeki]

I don't even know what happened. All I know is that I spend a day shopping and relaxing, all is well, got some great deals and nice new threads, a $70 bottle of ***** by ***** cologne for $45 b/c I layed down some game, and I get home to see this had exploded.

It's pretty simple actually. Broz insulted the Oly forum posters in his private PL section thread, and didn't post his response here in the Oly section, where the same question was also asked, so I responded twice in the Broz thread to address the insult. Both my posts were deleted, but Broz's post was allowed to remain.

Scott is making excuses and trying to pretend nothing happened, but now he's getting fed up, so maybe he'll take action to show what kind of mod he really is :) Since I can't imagine he enjoys being fed up for too long...

[Fury22]

what does it smell like???

haha i just deleted a boob pic as someones main profile pic on bodyspace!!!!

It smells great! It's a great summer and spring scent....it's light but still smells like a man and isn't overpowering. I was trying to decide between D&G Light Blue (also great) and *****, so after a little game I told the girl I would think about (I was going to buy one regardless, but the idea of not making a sale and me not coming back always helps in negotiating) so she said with her sexy little accent "Ok well if you buy it now I will mark the ***** down to $45."



"Ok. sounds good!"




I was also considering Burberry Brit as I have heard a lot of good things about it. When I asked her about it she kinda turned up her nose and said "It's too sweet. Not good for man. Men should smell like men, not women."


Twas a good day.

[Korr]

Youtube lifts don't mean anything. Until Pat does it on the national stage (and drug tested), it doesn't really matter.

I mean, Caleb Ward is out there competing and breaking records. I've seen his log, and he doesn't go max out every day.

wQ08klZpbws

[Fury22]

That should be good for at least 10kg on the total

haha either that or....



"OMG YOU JUST SNATCHED 875 POUNDS, CLEAN & JERKED 960 POUNDS, SQUATTED 1200 TO THE FLOOR FOR FUN AND THEN HAD SEX WITH 8 WOMEN AT ONCE!!! HOW DID YOU DO IT?????"



















"I smoke weed every day I don't give a f***!"

[madaozeki]

wQ08klZpbws

Awesome, amazing vid!

I wonder why all of Broz's comments on that video were removed. Seems to be part of a pattern... Oh, but not here. ;)

[ZachOly]

*snip*

Saw that...last year

Pat added something like 30 or 40 kg on his snatch in a year? Like I said, let's see him put up his 191kg snatch in a drug tested meet.

[Korr]

Scott, he sure replied, WHILE INSULTING OUR ENTIRE FORUM by claiming that the thread in the Oly forum 'nauseated' him.

You're taking his words out of context. If you had read the entire post, you would have read what he meant by the thread "nauseated him".


....these issues are very minor. They are not because you need a belt, more stretching or any other nonsense. Just get to where you feel comfortable in the bottom position (wherever that is for you) and try to lift the same way every time. watch your lifts with your camera. If every attempt has different positions then that's a good place to start.


At the end of the day GoJu got the advice he sought to help him in his lifts. Sometimes people need to hear it from non biased or third party sources to finally accept it as fact.

That was the whole point of the thread to help Goju wasn't it?

[madaozeki]

You're taking his words out of context. If you had read the entire post, you would have read what he meant by the thread "nauseated him".


No, I read the whole post, thoroughly, since the advice was great. You're lacking the history of Broz posting in our forum, and his behavior back then. I know exactly what he meant.



At the end of the day GoJu got the advice he sought to help him in his lifts. Sometimes people need to hear it from non biased or third party sources to finally accept it as fact.

That was the whole point of the thread to help Goju wasn't it?

Again, you're lacking the history, so while your point may be valid, it's actually irrelevant.

[crackyflipside]

(hopefully) my last post on this matter:

Yeah, Broz may act like a dick online but FCK, what other lifters do we have here with a 415+ sinclair in training that have been coached by Antonio Krastev, as well as being a coach with a very good eye for technique that's already coaching some of the strongest kids the US has seen; not to mention he is pretty quick to answer any questions about technique and training without asking for any monetary support?!?

So what if he's a dick online JEEZ... all this arguing is making me nauseous.






I'm going to train; you guys keep arguing about nothing.

[gbg]

Mezzie (http://en.tackfilm.se/?id=1263380931336RA85)

[madaozeki]

(hopefully) my last post on this matter:

Yeah, Broz may act like a dick online but FCK, what other lifters do we have here with a 415+ sinclair in training that have been coached by Antonio Krastev, as well as being a coach with a very good eye for technique that's already coaching some of the strongest kids the US has seen; not to mention he is pretty quick to answer any questions about technique and training without asking for any monetary support?!?

So what if he's a dick online JEEZ... all this arguing is making me nauseous.

I'm going to train; you guys keep arguing about nothing.

cracky, he can act like a dick all he wants; that's his prerogative. He should be able to take it like he dishes it out though, WITHOUT CENSORSHIP. Can I act like a dick, too? Back to Broz? Apparently not. That's the point. If he's allowed to insult me and everyone else on here, we should certainly be allowed to stand our ground and defend what we say. He's getting special treatment, which he doesn't deserve, and now has a history of abusive posts at at least 4 different forums that I know of, which he's no longer welcome at.

Yet I get an infraction for disputing a mod's decision. Now we certainly know what kind of mod Scott is.

Thanks Scott, you rock.



PM from scott_donald
Dear madaozeki,

You have received an infraction at Bodybuilding.com Forums.

Reason: thread/OT posts about moderator decisions
-------
fed up with yo moaning... let it be... decisions have been made...
-------

This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.


Hope you all feel that your best interests are at heart here on our humble little forum.

"Decisions have been made". Way to take responsibility there, Scott. Your power astounds me and I quiver humbled before you.

The only reason I get an infraction for this is because scott doesn't have the courtesy to keep this discussion in PM's, or even PM me a single time to ask me to stop. No, he let's it escalate here for hours and hours and does nothing but moan himself.

[gbg]

(hopefully) my last post on this matter:

Yeah, Broz may act like a dick online but FCK, what other lifters do we have here with a 415+ sinclair in training that have been coached by Antonio Krastev, as well as being a coach with a very good eye for technique that's already coaching some of the strongest kids the US has seen; not to mention he is pretty quick to answer any questions about technique and training without asking for any monetary support?!?

So what if he's a dick online JEEZ... all this arguing is making me nauseous.






I'm going to train; you guys keep arguing about nothing.

I don't consider it nothing when someone insults friends and people I respect.

[ZachOly]

I have a massage in about 45min, can't wait

[Merauder]

trouble in the family so it seems

[crackyflipside]

Going to Puntarenas, Costa Rica for a week, I'll be back by Saturday. We are going to do some trips to the jungle and some volcano there and I'll be snapping away with the camera.

[Fury22]

Going to Puntarenas, Costa Rica for a week, I'll be back by Saturday. We are going to do some trips to the jungle and some volcano there and I'll be snapping away with the camera.

Nice. I went to Arenal & Tamarindo last year for Spring Break. Tamarindo was a blast! I wish we had time to see more of San Jose, Tamarindo was beautiful.

Felt good man.

[ZachOly]

Massage went ok...I had a rookie women and she was pretty weak. Unfortunately, no happy ending ;)

Not bad for $9 though (Private insurance FTW!)

[scott_donald]

Massage went ok...I had a rookie women and she was pretty weak. Unfortunately, no happy ending ;)

Not bad for $9 though (Private insurance FTW!)

was she hot???

[scott_donald]

Going to Puntarenas, Costa Rica for a week, I'll be back by Saturday. We are going to do some trips to the jungle and some volcano there and I'll be snapping away with the camera.

awesome put some pics up when you get back...

[ZachOly]

was she hot???

Hot enough

[Merauder]

drop snatches are the way to go for a beginner to train the snatch

can't wait till I get it up to 50 kg cause then I can do full snatch
we don't have plates smaller dan 15 kg that are the right diameter...

[gbg]

Morning OL'ers:)

[scott_donald]

drop snatches are the way to go for a beginner to train the snatch

can't wait till I get it up to 50 kg cause then I can do full snatch
we don't have plates smaller dan 15 kg that are the right diameter...

i guess i need to do them but i cant afford the time to back off to do them!!!

glad they are working though...


Morning OL'ers:)

morning...

[ZachOly]

Debating whether or not I should go to nationals (in Quebec) this year. Last week I was almost 100% set I was going, now I'm not so sure (looking at ~$1,000 weekend if I went).

[scott_donald]

if your heart is not in it then don't go...

but you have trained a long time for it!!!

[ZachOly]

if your heart is not in it then don't go...

but you have trained a long time for it!!!

I won't be able to quality for it, so I'd be going as an under 23....which kinda sucks.

Plus, next year nationals are going to be held in Ontario...a flight there is like half of what I'd have to pay to get to Quebec.

[scott_donald]

well its entirely up to you... i think you have made your mind up from that though...

[gbg]

Debating whether or not I should go to nationals (in Quebec) this year. Last week I was almost 100% set I was going, now I'm not so sure (looking at ~$1,000 weekend if I went).

Follow your gut.

[GoJu]

Debating whether or not I should go to nationals (in Quebec) this year. Last week I was almost 100% set I was going, now I'm not so sure (looking at ~$1,000 weekend if I went).

are you going to win?

[J.L.C.]

I won't be able to quality for it, so I'd be going as an under 23....which kinda sucks.

Plus, next year nationals are going to be held in Ontario...a flight there is like half of what I'd have to pay to get to Quebec.

Still great experience if your province wants to send you as an unqualified lifter though :cool:

But, that is an expensive weekend.

I'm really hoping to qualify for next year, because it will be a 2 hour drive away - so probably the only time I'll be able to afford to go!


are you going to win?

Totally irrelevant.

[GoJu]

Still great experience if your province wants to send you as an unqualified lifter though :cool:

But, that is an expensive weekend.

I'm really hoping to qualify for next year, because it will be a 2 hour drive away - so probably the only time I'll be able to afford to go!



Totally irrelevant.

it would be to me if i was gonna spend 1000 bucks to go...

[slyng]

it would be to me if i was gonna spend 1000 bucks to go...

Personally, I think I would go, because there's just something intangibly amazing about the weightlifting community (maybe just in Canada given the small size? I dunno, I have only ever competed in Ontario) that just makes meets inspiring, fun, and community-building experiences, beyond anything that you can replicate with a "max day" in training. You learn a lot and have sooooo much fun, and for me, I do my best lifting at meets. I set my PRs at meets, so it's important to compete for progress.

My very first meet ever, I got to compete with our 48 kg Olympian Marilou Dozois-Prevost...she was lifting more than twice what I lifted. C'mon, in what other sport does that happen? Very inspirational getting to see her lift and competing with her after training in the sport for just a few months, and also amazing that Olympians and no0bs could all hang out and chat and lift and party after together. You learn a lot from seeing the elite lifters lift, getting tips from them, and getting to watch the development of the young lifters over time - and that's valuable to me.

In terms of the community-building thing I mentioned, it's hard to explain, but especially in a sport and country where many of us (including the elite) are training on our own in garages or barns, the range of ability and experience at any given meet is just so valuable to promoting and supporting a sometimes dwindling sport.

I do think the decision is tough as an unqualified junior lifter, and in that case it's really just what you feel you'll get out of going, and if that's worth the trip for you!

[GoJu]

meets are definetly fun and a great learning experience especially if you can meet an olympian! however, IMO being frugal with your money on a meet thats not worth does not mean dedication its more like unhealthy obsession to me, but I'm a poor college student and thus cheap so what do I know?

[ZachOly]

Well, after today's workout, I'm pretty sure I'd get pwned by the 53kg women's class at Nationals :(

This happened last year right before Provincials as well...as soon as March hit, my workouts were really really poor and I started missing weight that was really easy.

Edit: As for attending Nationals, I think I'm not going to attend. A grand for a 3 day trip is hard to justify, given that I'm an unemployed student haha

[slyng]

meets are definetly fun and a great learning experience especially if you can meet an olympian! however, IMO being frugal with your money on a meet thats not worth does not mean dedication its more like unhealthy obsession to me, but I'm a poor college student and thus cheap so what do I know?


Well, after today's workout, I'm pretty sure I'd get pwned by the 53kg women's class at Nationals :(

This happened last year right before Provincials as well...as soon as March hit, my workouts were really really poor and I started missing weight that was really easy.

Edit: As for attending Nationals, I think I'm not going to attend. A grand for a 3 day trip is hard to justify, given that I'm an unemployed student haha

I always struggle to be prepared for Provincials too after our winter meet just a month and a bit prior - I don't know how people go on to do Nationals so soon after! I think I also would choose not to go if I wasn't qualified and it was going to cost $1000. Hard to justify that - I'd go unqualified if it was just a short drive away though! But, I'm way too old to be sent unqualified...haha.

If (when?) I qualify though, I'm going, wherever it is - I'll save up...even if it's in the Yukon. haha. Obsession? I hardly would consider myself obsessed with Oly lifting given the variety of other much more highly prioritized interests and activities I pursue. But, after years (who knows how many by the time I hypothetically get there) of dedication to a sport that I feel contributes positively to the balance of my life, if I earned a spot at nationals, I'd love to compete there knowing full well I'd place dead last - it'd just be a nice little accomplishment of a pipe dream for someone who never played a sport or did anything remotely active until grad school. Totally a personal choice, but one that I think I would make quite easily.

[kitaristi0]

Does anyone have a list of the best Sinclair totals of all time? The search function was unhelpful.

[GoJu]

Does anyone have a list of the best Sinclair totals of all time? The search function was unhelpful.

suleymanoglu 500
perepetchenov 495 (unofficial)
vardanian 490

[gbg]

tgif!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scott_donald]

tgif!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yep... get up 11...

meet dad for lunch

golf in the avo...

then relax and do nothing all night!!!

[scott_donald]

http://www.performancemenu.com/wod/video/collectedTraining2-8-10-3.mov

some great stuff this week from the girls...

interesting what the really good girl is doing with the blocks...

[kitaristi0]

suleymanoglu 500
perepetchenov 495 (unofficial)
vardanian 490

Thanks, but does anyone have a longer list?

[davidearle]

Well, after today's workout, I'm pretty sure I'd get pwned by the 53kg women's class at Nationals :(

This happened last year right before Provincials as well...as soon as March hit, my workouts were really really poor and I started missing weight that was really easy.

Edit: As for attending Nationals, I think I'm not going to attend. A grand for a 3 day trip is hard to justify, given that I'm an unemployed student haha

I had a similar dilemma last year... I only qualified for nationals by 5 kilos, and they were all the way in B.C. (I'm in Toronto) and up until provincials, which are like 6 weeks from natl's, I wasn't going to go.
I figured, why go get smashed by a bunch of guys, the next one's in Quebec and I'll just train hard for a year then go to that one.

BUT, I had a good provincials, and decided to go... and thank god I did.
I got killed in the competition (came 9th of 11), but got to see some amazing lifters first hand, get some great experience, and made it into a 3 week backpacking trip bumming around the west coast seeing friends and family I have there. You have no idea how great it is to get the gitters of your first nationals out of the way, talk/party/train with the best lifters in the country, and travel across timezones to compete (something I didnt' think would be an issue but it really was)

Now I'm going to the nationals this year a lot more prepared from my previous experience... and in 2011 when it's at my HOME GYM I'll be at the absolute top of my game.
It's worth the money - you can round up a thousand bucks if you're willing to work hard enough.

[Sit]

Hey Dave, I'm getting stoked for nationals too man, it's coming quickly

How're you feeling for provincials next week?

My trainings been going really well

fjcyzagDQ60

[scott_donald]

the ones going to the canadian nationals... what are your opening lifts etc???

[Sit]

the ones going to the canadian nationals... what are your opening lifts etc???

It's not for another couple months but hopefully 106/133 or so

[scott_donald]

It's not for another couple months but hopefully 106/133 or so

oh i thought from all the chat it was quite soon...

[ZachOly]

oh i thought from all the chat it was quite soon...

May 22/23

[davidearle]

atta boy logan (sit)... i love squatting in a commercial gym once and a while. I personal train at a rich person spa/health club and sometimes train there if I have to - they look at me like i'm from another planet (almost the case haha)

my training's been going well, CJ better than snatch (as usual). I'm thinking of opening around 100+130 in provincials. I'm gonna have to bring the A-game to beat Ken Smith but the plan is a 240 total - sinclair 320+

[davidearle]

on a different note... what's with crossfitters not being able to take care of their hands?? why do they take pictures/show off their rips like it's something to be proud of?
like... it doesn't make you hard-core, you're just stupid for not taking care of your callouses.

and what's the deal with like trying to make yourself puke during a workout? what does that accomplish?

I usually don't hate on them so much but ****, like I just don't get why these things are looked at like goals... they're detrimental to training

[ZachOly]

Cleans were on fire today...I used David Earle's "Shrug like a mofo" technique and it worked.

130 (5kg pr) was absolute butter...felt stupid light

I tried 135, but mentally couldn't do it...I think I was jumping too quick at that point. I did 115x1, 120x1, 125x1, 130x1 prior...I need at least a double somewhere in between there.

Snatched 92.5, still not snatching what I used to, but it's improving. At least I'm not missing with 80kg anymore.

[scott_donald]

Cleans were on fire today...I used David Earle's "Shrug like a mofo" technique and it worked.

130 (5kg pr) was absolute butter...felt stupid light

I tried 135, but mentally couldn't do it...I think I was jumping too quick at that point. I did 115x1, 120x1, 125x1, 130x1 prior...I need at least a double somewhere in between there.

Snatched 92.5, still not snatching what I used to, but it's improving. At least I'm not missing with 80kg anymore.

awesome stuff indeed...

now does that change your thinking for nationals???

[scott_donald]

on a different note... what's with crossfitters not being able to take care of their hands?? why do they take pictures/show off their rips like it's something to be proud of?
like... it doesn't make you hard-core, you're just stupid for not taking care of your callouses.

and what's the deal with like trying to make yourself puke during a workout? what does that accomplish?

I usually don't hate on them so much but ****, like I just don't get why these things are looked at like goals... they're detrimental to training

haha yep... funny watched rugby this avo and a friend spewed in the game... he certainly was not loving it...

oh well crossfit is almost a religion now...

[gbg]

on a different note... what's with crossfitters not being able to take care of their hands?? why do they take pictures/show off their rips like it's something to be proud of?
like... it doesn't make you hard-core, you're just stupid for not taking care of your callouses.

and what's the deal with like trying to make yourself puke during a workout? what does that accomplish?

I usually don't hate on them so much but ****, like I just don't get why these things are looked at like goals... they're detrimental to training

There is no reasoning to their madness, it's crossfit.

[olyw8lifter]

haha yep... funny watched rugby this avo and a friend spewed in the game... he certainly was not loving it...

oh well crossfit is almost a religion now...

A cult of a religion is more like it. I like some of the workouts, but the whole mentality of the people make me sick. I'm not even like that with Oly lifting!! :D

[King922]

A cult of a religion is more like it. I like some of the workouts, but the whole mentality of the people make me sick. I'm not even like that with Oly lifting!! :D

Their mentality? :p Im not really familiar with crossfit (very small town). Ive only met a few people from there and never really talked to them much! But Im curious what you guys mean now!

[Sit]

atta boy logan (sit)... i love squatting in a commercial gym once and a while. I personal train at a rich person spa/health club and sometimes train there if I have to - they look at me like i'm from another planet (almost the case haha)

my training's been going well, CJ better than snatch (as usual). I'm thinking of opening around 100+130 in provincials. I'm gonna have to bring the A-game to beat Ken Smith but the plan is a 240 total - sinclair 320+

Sick a 320 sincliar makes you top 5 in ontario man, I'm looking to hit a 245 total atleast for the coveted 300 sinclair marker.. but if all goes well 248 for the 305

[olyw8lifter]

Their mentality? :p Im not really familiar with crossfit (very small town). Ive only met a few people from there and never really talked to them much! But Im curious what you guys mean now!

Just read through the crossfit message boards. I don't talk to them either, but I have posted on their message boards some. Again, I like the idea of their workouts and have done them from time to time, but that is about it.

[crackyflipside]

Back from Costa Rica, beautiful place brahs...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/crackyflipside/lifting/DSC_0066-Copy.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/crackyflipside/lifting/DSC_0051-Copy.jpg

[scott_donald]

more pics... looks gorgeous...

how was the trip???

[gbg]

Nice! thanks for the pics.
I always wanted to go, probably would have bought something there but at the time there was the language barrier, do more people speak English there now Chris?

[scott_donald]

Nice! thanks for the pics.
I always wanted to go, probably would have bought something there but at the time there was the language barrier, do more people speak English there now Chris?

guess its one place i would never think of going to but it is so beautiful...

where as europe is so easy for me... for my birthday this year trying to get folk to go to spain for a weekend golfing!!!

[ZachOly]

How do you wake up Lady Gaga? ... Poker Face!

[gbg]

guess its one place i would never think of going to but it is so beautiful...

where as europe is so easy for me... for my birthday this year trying to get folk to go to spain for a weekend golfing!!!
Last I herd it's inexpensive to purchase property or a home , I'm sure it has gone up since though.

[scott_donald]

Last I herd it's inexpensive to purchase property or a home , I'm sure it has gone up since though.

property in america is so cheap!!!

florida, texas everything i have looked into have been soooo cheap!!!

[hazard52003]

sup guys. Got back late yesterday from the Dominican Republic, had a great time! was nice to just chill for the week. only bad part was i got sunburned on my shoulders pretty bad, still hurts a little, hopefully they feel fine when i do presses/cleans/front squats, etc. o well

me in the pool
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/hazard52003/MePool.jpg

random beach pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/hazard52003/Beach4.jpg

[Blizzard589]

Wow, nice vacation pics you guys. I went to Costa Rica a couple years ago with my back then best friend and it was amazing. Volcanos, zip-lining through canopies, white water rafting, horse-back riding, beaches, jumping down waterfalls, good food, good people.

Pura vida!

[gbg]

Nice pics Hazey :D

Try some aloe Vera on the shoulders always worked for me, the real plant if you can.

[Crematia]

Nice pics guys. I'm jealous! :p

When you all talk about caring for callouses, can you elaborate please? I just noticed I'm beginning to get them, anything I need to know? I'm guessing I shouldn't use a pumice stone on them? Thanks in advance for any advice.

[gbg]

Nice pics guys. I'm jealous! :p

When you all talk about caring for callouses, can you elaborate please? I just noticed I'm beginning to get them, anything I need to know? I'm guessing I shouldn't use a pumice stone on them? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Mine are so thick I have to use toe nail clippers, I don't see a problem with using a pumice stone.

[Crematia]

Ok, cool, thanks. I wasn't sure if I should just let them be or file them down as they appear.

[gbg]

Ok, cool, thanks. I wasn't sure if I should just let them be or file them down as they appear.


I like to keep them for the most part, when You don't have any it hurts with certain lifts they work as a a protector for the hands.

The only time I cut them down is when they get big enough to tear off during a lift, that's painful.

[King922]

Hey Dave, I'm getting stoked for nationals too man, it's coming quickly

How're you feeling for provincials next week?

My trainings been going really well

fjcyzagDQ60

Nice! How long have you been lifting for?

[scott_donald]

this is some lift...

9MJA-LA3vuU

cracky how come you always get vids of the good lifts!!!

[crackyflipside]

cracky how come you always get vids of the good lifts!!!

Somebody sent me a message asking to do a slo-mo of this vid.

[gbg]

Morning pin heads.
:D

[olyw8lifter]

Morning pin heads.
:D

Morning!!!! ***groannn***

[crackyflipside]

Morning!!!! ***groannn***

Yeesh, I was up at 5am ready to train. Crappy session, only did volume after on back squats cause I got sleep to do.

[boykid28]

Yeesh, I was up at 5am ready to train. Crappy session, only did volume after on back squats cause I got sleep to do.

d@mn. 5am. im just getting up to go to school at 5. i usually train 2x in a day; and thats in between my classes.

u do that all the time?

[boykid28]

[QUOTE=crackyflipside;465672721]Back from Costa Rica, beautiful place brahs...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/crackyflipside/lifting/DSC_0066-Copy.jpg

that first pic is amazing.
i wish i had went on vacation

[scott_donald]

i know its weird this time last year i was living in austin...

just finished sxsw... and tonight we had our French bowls - scotland against america... and america won luckily!!! then this weekend was down in corpis with the boat and jet skis!!!

[crackyflipside]

u do that all the time?

When I'm not wussing out.

[ZachOly]

Provincials are 2 days away!

Just finished my last workout...light pulls from the block, BS up to 180kg for a single and some ab work.

Tomorrow I'll be stretching like a mofo and maybe 15min on the bike

Friday is an 8hr drive to the city where the event is being held :( hate driving across the province

[scott_donald]

good luck zach.. enjoy the drive and hope you get 6 clean lifts!!!

[gbg]

morning

[scott_donald]

morning

morning hows things???

i have finished work for the day and absolutely soaked!!! not fun but rugby tournament for 10/11 year olds went well considering the weather!!!!

[hazard52003]

hai guys. haven't been posting online much since i got back from vacation. doing well. first week back training after the one week off is tough! DOMS is through the roof, lol. gonna go in do some technique work later today off to class now! cya guys later

[crackyflipside]

hai guys. haven't been posting online much since i got back from vacation. doing well. first week back training after the one week off is tough! DOMS is through the roof, lol. gonna go in do some technique work later today off to class now! cya guys later

I know how you feel, I've been zapping sore parts with electro massage, works like a charm.

Today sucked... my elbow hurt so much I couldn't even snatch an empty bar.

[ZachOly]

I'm trying to decide on openers now. Thinking of this:

Snatch

Open @ 90kg
2nd @ 95kg
3rd @ 100kg

I can hit 90kg no problem, but I've only ever done 95kg once or twice. Having said that, I'd be pretty disappointed if I don't get the 100kg snatch.

C&J

Open @ 125kg
2nd @ 130kg
3rd @ 135kg

Opening with a 125kg would be pretty ballsy (my best jerk basically), but anything less than a 130kg C&J would be a major letdown. I'd love to give 135 a go.

Aiming for a 230kg total @ 96kg or under

[J.L.C.]

There are a bunch of approaches for picking openers, it totally depends on how you feel at meets.

I stay pretty conservative and choose weights below current PRs that I know I can get any day, good or bad. I do this because nerves often get the best of me on the competition platform, I freak out and technique goes out the window. My strategy is usually to try and hit training PRs on my 2nd attempts and then go for it on 3rds.

Others (like slyng), can really capitalize on the adrenaline and can almost guarantee making any weight they open with. Slyng usually opens with her current PR and sets new PRs pretty much every meet.

Do you have a coach?

[boykid28]

yeah. definatly open with something comfortable.

[boykid28]

anyone know how much time in between lifts a person has in a competition?
i heard that it is like 2:30minutes in between lifts and like 10:00minutes between the final snatch into the first clean & jerk.

[J.L.C.]

anyone know how much time in between lifts a person has in a competition?
i heard that it is like 2:30minutes in between lifts and like 10:00minutes between the final snatch into the first clean & jerk.

1min after you're called to the platform (weights loaded, loaders off the platform), 2min if you're following yourself.

Time between Snatch and C&J is variable, usually 10min, sometimes 5min if behind schedule.

[olyw8lifter]

1min after you're called to the platform (weights loaded, loaders off the platform), 2min if you're following yourself.

Time between Snatch and C&J is variable, usually 10min, sometimes 5min if behind schedule.

^^^^This!!! And I've seen a lot of 5 min or none between the snatch and CJ, but that is here in the states, mostly at local meets. I think that any National meet that is meeting IWF standards take 10 min break.

[raffiki]

I'm trying to decide on openers now. Thinking of this:

Snatch

Open @ 90kg
2nd @ 95kg
3rd @ 100kg

I can hit 90kg no problem, but I've only ever done 95kg once or twice. Having said that, I'd be pretty disappointed if I don't get the 100kg snatch.

C&J

Open @ 125kg
2nd @ 130kg
3rd @ 135kg

Opening with a 125kg would be pretty ballsy (my best jerk basically), but anything less than a 130kg C&J would be a major letdown. I'd love to give 135 a go.

Aiming for a 230kg total @ 96kg or under

Sounds similar to me. You just have to be a very consistent lifter. It also looks like you are in a 5kg mental block. If i were you, I might do something like 91 in the snatch, then go for 96 (a PR) if all feels well, then 100. If 91 is rough then you can do 93-94, then take a shot at 96.

CJ taking a bigger jump might not be a big deal for you. Opening with 122 and taking 6kg jumps would put you up to 134 if all goes well, but 128 would still be a PR.

Even if you "only" do 96 and 126, you end up with 3 PRs. Don't get unrealistic about your attempts. Set PRs 1-2kg at a time on a regular basis and you will be doing fine.

[olyw8lifter]

Sounds similar to me. You just have to be a very consistent lifter. It also looks like you are in a 5kg mental block. If i were you, I might do something like 91 in the snatch, then go for 96 (a PR) if all feels well, then 100. If 91 is rough then you can do 93-94, then take a shot at 96.

CJ taking a bigger jump might not be a big deal for you. Opening with 122 and taking 6kg jumps would put you up to 134 if all goes well, but 128 would still be a PR.

Even if you "only" do 96 and 126, you end up with 3 PRs. Don't get unrealistic about your attempts. Set PRs 1-2kg at a time on a regular basis and you will be doing fine.

I totally agree with this, I have finally gotten myself out of the 2.5 kg - 5 kg thought process!! :D

Went out and made a PR clean with 118 kg (+2 kg) at about 80 kg BW!!!

[hazard52003]

I always think to myself a 1-2kg PR is still a PR. id rather hit tiny PR's frequently then a 10kg pr randomly. i think it shows that you are consistently getting better.

[raffiki]

Went out and made a PR clean with 118 kg (+2 kg) at about 80 kg BW!!!

If you jerk it, you got me beat!

Nice work man

[crackyflipside]

http://news.fiu.edu/2010/03/fiu-student-fatally-stabbed-on-modesto-a-maidique-campus/

Well there goes my morning workout.... Dude was stabbed to death right in front of the gym supposedly over an argument about basketball.

[gbg]

http://news.fiu.edu/2010/03/fiu-student-fatally-stabbed-on-modesto-a-maidique-campus/

Well there goes my morning workout.... Dude was stabbed to death right in front of the gym supposedly over an argument about basketball.

So why can't you workout? :D

[crackyflipside]

So why can't you workout? :D

Dude died right in front of the doors, the whole gym is under tape for a crime scene. The schedule is now tentative, noon-9pm instead of the usual 6am-midnight.

Edit: So angry cannot even detect sarcasm.

[gbg]

Dude died right in front of the doors, the whole gym is under tape for a crime scene. The schedule is now tentative, noon-9pm instead of the usual 6am-midnight.

Edit: So angry cannot even detect sarcasm.

I fully understandhttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/ggibbs2008/there.gif

nothing else nearby?

[crackyflipside]

I fully understandhttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/ggibbs2008/there.gif

nothing else nearby?

The gym with bumpers isn't open until ~7pm

[scott_donald]

oh well got to think for the guy there...

http://www.performancemenu.com/wod/video/mendesSnatch3-19-10.mov

some great stuff there... that will cheer you up...

[ZachOly]

^ 190?

[scott_donald]

^ 190?

ye i thought that...

[hazard52003]

That sucks chris. I hate when stupid people like that hurt each other over basketball. some of the people in the world just make me sad.

On a side note, if you were up here in cold ass New York, you could come train with me right now, because that is what im going to do. cleans + back squats go!

[ZachOly]

Good luck to everyone who's lifting this weekend!

I'm just about to leave on my 8h drive!

[J.L.C.]

Good luck to everyone who's lifting this weekend!

I'm just about to leave on my 8h drive!

Good luck to you too man!

Get vids!

[crackyflipside]

Oh shi- where did you find that Mendes vid? I want to put that on youtube, just have the author credited.

[olyw8lifter]

Good luck to everyone who's lifting this weekend!

I'm just about to leave on my 8h drive!

Good luck this weekend!!!

[hazard52003]

Good luck guys who are lifting this weekend! bring home some big PR's for us :D


p.s. JLC I tried your training method today where and I quote"I remind myself that there are women half my weight (and age) lifting twice as much weight.

Then call myself a bunch of names"

Tried that today when i was suffering through some 5x5 back squats. worked nicely, thank you.

[crackyflipside]

good luck guys who are lifting this weekend! Bring home some big pr's for us :d


p.s. Jlc i tried your training method today where and i quote"i remind myself that there are women half my weight (and age) lifting twice as much weight.

Then call myself a bunch of names"

tried that today when i was suffering through some 5x5 back squats. Worked nicely, thank you.

lol

I should drive up to the meet, it would only take a few days.

[J.L.C.]

Good luck guys who are lifting this weekend! bring home some big PR's for us :D


p.s. JLC I tried your training method today where and I quote"I remind myself that there are women half my weight (and age) lifting twice as much weight.

Then call myself a bunch of names"

Tried that today when i was suffering through some 5x5 back squats. worked nicely, thank you.

It works like a charm in almost every training situation.

I'll be testing it out at the meet tomorrow to evaluate its application in a competition environment.

:D

[scott_donald]

jlc then you can watch a girl beat you also!!!

[GoJu]

The gym with bumpers isn't open until ~7pm

could I go there tonight possibly would he mind?

[crackyflipside]

could I go there tonight possibly would he mind?

Pay him your monthly fee. It's just that place gets crowded fast, and if he has people there don't expect there to be bars open.

[GoJu]

Pay him your monthly fee. It's just that place gets crowded fast, and if he has people there don't expect there to be bars open.

hmmm, perhaps next month then I just paid some bills and I need to pay some more next week not sure about 40/month fiu is okay till I graduate anyway oh well maybe next week, I wanted to be done with my workout earlier than 10 or so tonight anyway

[boykid28]

Good luck to everyone who's lifting this weekend!

I'm just about to leave on my 8h drive!

good lucks to u man. 6 for 6 baby, 6 for 6.

[boykid28]

is it harder to lift weights with regular steel/metal plates than with rubber plates?
i know that it is harder to lift weights with a 2 inch bar compared to a 1 inch bar because it has less elastic energy (helps with the jerk off the chest), but im not sure about different plates cause i workout at a regular gym (and sadly im the odd ball throwing weights over my head while everyone is benching on national chest monday).

[endpoint]

Oh shi- where did you find that Mendes vid? I want to put that on youtube, just have the author credited.


its from Catalyst Athletics
http://www.performancemenu.com/wod/index.php
However that doesn't look like their gym it looks like average broz

[endpoint]

is it harder to lift weights with regular steel/metal plates than with rubber plates?
i know that it is harder to lift weights with a 2 inch bar compared to a 1 inch bar because it has less elastic energy (helps with the jerk off the chest), but im not sure about different plates cause i workout at a regular gym (and sadly im the odd ball throwing weights over my head while everyone is benching on national chest monday).

2 inch bar is harder to hold onto (but yes it has no whip)

Bumper plates only feel different when you drop them. Some fit the bar a bit different, and rattle a bit which could cause a disturbance...but not enough to worry about

[boykid28]

2 inch bar is harder to hold onto (but yes it has no whip)

Bumper plates only feel different when you drop them. Some fit the bar a bit different, and rattle a bit which could cause a disturbance...but not enough to worry about

thanks

[scott_donald]

morning...

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9125/millermaxtonbabybarbell.th.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/millermaxtonbabybarbell.jpg/)

[gbg]

Morning family, oh man do I feel like crap! I'm sore and stiff as hell:(
power snatches today.
What I don't understand is I got some sleep so I should feel refreshed right? woke up a couple times during the night but fell back asleep around 5 and woke up at 8:30 which is late for me, guess I'm not used to it.

[Sit]

Hey guys 2 hours before weigh ins I'm just getting up drank a litre of water at 7 this morning though so I'm feeling good

one funny thing about weightlifting is that last night I slept in my direct competitions room lol i think that only happens in this sport his parents made us eggs and we hung out last night

this is why oly is the best sport in the world

[gbg]

Hey guys 2 hours before weigh ins I'm just getting up drank a litre of water at 7 this morning though so I'm feeling good

one funny thing about weightlifting is that last night I slept in my direct competitions room lol i think that only happens in this sport his parents made us eggs and we hung out last night

this is why oly is the best sport in the world


Good luck Sit, kick ass!!!

[Sit]

Weighed in on his scale at 80.9 my goal weight was 80kg so I've gained a littbr extra weight nothing wrong with that

opening at 103/130 today

[Sit]

Weighed in at 81.1 woahh starters are 103/130
J.l.c is in the 85s too starting at 88/118 not sure of his bodyweight
Slyng is lifting now I'll edit in her lifts when I'm out of the bathroom

she hit 42/54