View Full Version : stacking creatine monohydrate and creatine ethyl ester at the same time??
MHP46
10-06-2009, 07:18 AM
Has anyone ever tried this? or know it will work?
in10city
10-06-2009, 07:29 AM
Has anyone ever tried this? or know it will work?
Not sure why would want to given that the evidence is stacking up against the efficacy of CEE.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19660433
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19228401
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524547
snorkelman
10-06-2009, 10:27 AM
Not sure why would want to given that the evidence is stacking up against the efficacy of CEE.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19660433
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19228401
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524547
The two recent studies above addressing "non-enzymatic" conditions really should wake people up. I know that there are people who are too lazy to bother clicking on the links, so here are exerpts from the abstracts...one concluded:
"This study indicates that the half-life of CEE in blood is on the order of one minute, suggesting that CEE may hydrolyze too quickly to reach muscle cells in its ester form"
and the other concluded,
"This study demonstrates that mild non-enzymatic conditions are sufficient for the cyclization of creatine ethyl ester into creatinine, and together with previous results obtained under enzymatic conditions suggests that there are no physiological conditions that would result in the production of creatine. It is concluded that creatine ethyl ester is a pronutrient for creatinine rather than creatine under all physiological conditions encountered during transit through the various tissues, thus no ergogenic effect is to be expected from supplementation.
MHP46
10-06-2009, 12:47 PM
well there is no denying that people have reported getting results from both. Ive begun taking monohydrate again but i feel like im gettin too watery and soft. I love the recovery and increase in size it gives me though. I have heard that the thing with ethyl is you get good recovery like monohydrate but more hard muscle as a result rather than soft muscle and if taken before a workout (like some ethyl products suggest) can provide a pump. So my idea was that if u were to talk both, but each at half the suggested dose, you will get good recovery from both products, size from the monohydrate (some will still be water weight, but hopefully not as much) but also the hardness from the ethyl. I have no idea if this would be the result... just curious as to what other people think.
rhizome
10-06-2009, 01:01 PM
well there is no denying that people have reported getting results from both. Ive begun taking monohydrate again but i feel like im gettin too watery and soft. I love the recovery and increase in size it gives me though. I have heard that the thing with ethyl is you get good recovery like monohydrate but more hard muscle as a result rather than soft muscle and if taken before a workout (like some ethyl products suggest) can provide a pump. So my idea was that if u were to talk both, but each at half the suggested dose, you will get good recovery from both products, size from the monohydrate (some will still be water weight, but hopefully not as much) but also the hardness from the ethyl. I have no idea if this would be the result... just curious as to what other people think.
You're an idiot. SHOW ME THE SCIENCE HERE!!!!
here's what i'd think about: where's the research? and where's the practice?
the research is unequivocal about CrM. you can get it very pure and very cheap.
the research on the value of cee is not as strong. sometimes - as others above point out - faster isn't better. and in some cases the results are pretty lame. CrM always delivers. amazing
so why not stick with what is known to work - especially when it's a good value?
likewise, just a reminder, 3-5 g a day max. some folks still think they need to do 20g a day, and stack.
best
mc
MHP46
10-06-2009, 01:20 PM
You're an idiot. SHOW ME THE SCIENCE HERE!!!!
**** you first of all. Im just repeating what i've heard in reviews of both types of supplements and hence why IM ASKING QUESTIONS! i dont know if this will work at all or not. but why would ppl say in their reviews that theyre getting good results from the ethyl w/ out all the bloated water weight if they werent seeing anything? like i said b4 im looking for something that is going to give me the increase in stength, size & recovery of CM but i dont want my muscles to be all water.
in10city
10-06-2009, 03:11 PM
**** you first of all. Im just repeating what i've heard in reviews of both types of supplements and hence why IM ASKING QUESTIONS! i dont know if this will work at all or not. but why would ppl say in their reviews that theyre getting good results from the ethyl w/ out all the bloated water weight if they werent seeing anything? like i said b4 im looking for something that is going to give me the increase in stength, size & recovery of CM but i dont want my muscles to be all water.
Given that many will use a lesser amount of CEE in comparison to CrM due to the false assumption that its pharmacokinetics are better, could it be due to muscle creatine levels are not being elevated significantly with CEE - so minimal bloating and volumization?
_Smitty_
10-06-2009, 03:31 PM
Given that many will use a lesser amount of CEE in comparison to CrM due to the false assumption that its pharmacokinetics are better, could it be due to muscle creatine levels are not being elevated significantly with CEE - so minimal bloating and volumization?
such a ridiculous assumption. :rolleyes:
:p:D
MHP46
10-06-2009, 08:45 PM
i don't kno much about ethyl, clearly, but i hate reading up on things that say "in this study .. in that study" i just want to hear from ppl that have actually used it themselves .. and isnt cellmass an ethyl? everyone seems to love that stuff? im not trying to make an arguement for ethyl what so ever .. i just dont understand ppl baggin me for bein curious..
in10city
10-07-2009, 01:09 AM
i don't kno much about ethyl, clearly, but i hate reading up on things that say "in this study .. in that study" i just want to hear from ppl that have actually used it themselves .. and isnt cellmass an ethyl? everyone seems to love that stuff? im not trying to make an arguement for ethyl what so ever .. i just dont understand ppl baggin me for bein curious..
This is the Supplements SCIENCE forum.
"Check the Logs Brah" is over here ----> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77
This is the Supplements SCIENCE forum.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77
thanks! i was feeling all "oh dear. sorry for bringing in research...i thought that was good to do?"
mc
rhizome
10-07-2009, 11:47 AM
i don't kno much about ethyl, clearly, but i hate reading up on things that say "in this study .. in that study" i just want to hear from ppl that have actually used it themselves .. and isnt cellmass an ethyl? everyone seems to love that stuff? im not trying to make an arguement for ethyl what so ever .. i just dont understand ppl baggin me for bein curious..
You don't know anything, you refuse to educate yourself and want to be fed the always reliable feedback from the good brosefskis? Good luck in life. If you want to be led around on a leash, would you water my sign posts???
B1GinNY82307
10-07-2009, 03:11 PM
i don't kno much about ethyl, clearly, but i hate reading up on things that say "in this study .. in that study" i just want to hear from ppl that have actually used it themselves .. and isnt cellmass an ethyl? everyone seems to love that stuff? im not trying to make an arguement for ethyl what so ever .. i just dont understand ppl baggin me for bein curious..
no one is/was "baggin" you.
An individual, a smart one at that, pointed you to something that you should read, understand and preach forward.
I understand you wanted to hear feedback from individuals from others, but have you thought of the possibility of what people said of a supplement that contains CEE that it was a placebo effect?
Simply ppl wanting it to work?
Plain and simple...CEE is not worth it. Continuously it has been proven to not be effective and CrM to be the "tried and true".
So go with what is/was and will continue to be proven to work and move on. :)
MHP46
10-07-2009, 08:30 PM
no one is/was "baggin" you.
An individual, a smart one at that, pointed you to something that you should read, understand and preach forward.
I understand you wanted to hear feedback from individuals from others, but have you thought of the possibility of what people said of a supplement that contains CEE that it was a placebo effect?
Simply ppl wanting it to work?
Plain and simple...CEE is not worth it. Continuously it has been proven to not be effective and CrM to be the "tried and true".
So go with what is/was and will continue to be proven to work and move on. :)
thanks.
WillBrink
10-09-2009, 02:30 PM
Has anyone ever tried this? or know it will work?
Depends, how much $$$ you looking to throw in the toilet?
TaPo31
10-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Has anyone ever tried this? or know it will work?
No reason to take both, they are still both creatine. If you want to give CEE a shot, despite recent studies showing its lack of efficacy, go ahead. Your cells have a finite amount of creatine that they can hold, so if supplementing with one form is allowing you to reach that level, there is absolutely no point in supplementing with multiple types.
B1GinNY82307
10-09-2009, 08:42 PM
No reason to take both, they are still both creatine. If you want to give CEE a shot, despite recent studies showing its lack of efficacy, go ahead. Your cells have a finite amount of creatine that they can hold, so if supplementing with one form is allowing you to reach that level, there is absolutely no point in supplementing with multiple types.
Really? :confused: