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JC480
09-30-2009, 06:16 AM
Did not see a recent thread about this....
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What enrages me about this guy is the fact that so many people, and governments, want him released and to dismiss the charges against him.
I recall a massive witchhunt for Catholic priests who molested children in the same timeframe...as there should have been. But yet this guy gets a pass by many of the same people?
All of us view with disdain the idea that there are levels of justice for the rich and the poor. The rich and famous can gain courtesies or light sentences that the rest of us cannot. We all hate this.
But yet a chance to prove we are blind to justice...to an admitted child molester....people want to let him go because he's a famous movie director?
If he were a Catholic priest on the lam...a conservative politician or the executive of a large corporation...would these same people who bleed for Polanski remain as supportive?
I don't think so.
Hypocrisy is lame....but giving a pass to a child molester because they are a famous movie director is more than sad....it's criminal.
Edit: I should say....I have a 13 year old child....the same age as the kid he admitted to molesting. I would be out for blood if this guy molested my child.
greyhair
09-30-2009, 07:06 AM
I don't care how long its been, justice needs to be served.
Jail time.
vicjg
09-30-2009, 07:10 AM
There was some c**ksucker on the radio yesterday saying that since it was the 70's and everyone was doing things like this, there was no real harm done. WTF??
Let him rot in jail.
crupiea
09-30-2009, 07:16 AM
I agree. To want this guy to walk is just another form of Hollywoods arrogance that we see all the time.
Even if it was a long time ago imagine what that girls parents are thinking. The guy got away with it becuase he is a movie director.
When did being famous get you a pass on crimes? Look at Bill Ayers.
It didnt do much for OJ thats for sure.
I can't believe the parade of Hollywood leftists voicing that he should be released. WTF are people thinking?
crupiea
09-30-2009, 07:23 AM
I can't believe the parade of Hollywood leftists voicing that he should be released. WTF are people thinking?
The [roblem is with the "thinking".
These people are in charge and wealthy so they must be smarter than the rest of us. At least thats what they think.
You and i would think that way too if we went to work and got picked up by a fancy car and had our butts kissed at every turn. Then you get paid enourmous sums and have people following you around all the time taking your picture. It would be easy to think you are better than everyone else.
Its not like these people were ever really that smart. They were afterall in the drama club in school. Not exactly mensa.
cozener
09-30-2009, 07:54 AM
The girl he raped has since said that she'd rather the whole thing just go away and to let Polanski go free. A lot of rape victims have this attitude, sadly. What she's missing is that even though she may have forgiven him he still did something extremely wrong and should pay for it no matter how she might feel about it now. If he did it once he may have done it before and since and may still want to. But even if it was just once, what does it say if the rest of us let him off? No, his ass needs to go to jail for a long time.
I can't believe the parade of Hollywood leftists voicing that he should be released. WTF are people thinking? Not sure what being "leftist" has to do with this issue.
Defiant1
09-30-2009, 07:58 AM
More typical leftist hypocrisy out of Hollywood....
Lulz at "Debra Wingers" non-sequitor...
"He's a great artist, so he should be pardoned"..
WTF?
cozener
09-30-2009, 08:01 AM
More typical leftist hypocrisy out of Hollywood....
Lulz at "Debra Wingers" non-sequitor...
"He's a great artist, so he should be pardoned"..
WTF? More ridiculous rightist hysterics ascribing of moral depravity to someone's political beliefs because they don't match their own.
This isn't about right or left...its about a bunch of people that go to the same Hollywood parties, owing favors to one another (or hoping to get them), and being in the habit of stroking one anothers' egos blindly sticking up for their "friends".
1sknnyJ
09-30-2009, 08:06 AM
the victim in this case said yesterday through her lawyer that the district attorney's office has caused her more harm by bringing this back to the media every couple of years than Polanski ever has. what he did was wrong but if the victim wants it to be over why does the state keep pushing for it. she is married now with three kids and just wants to be left alone. i can understand both sides (victim and prosecuter) there does not seem to be an easy way to handle this.
GreenWave1
09-30-2009, 08:08 AM
He should do his time. As for all of the hollywood clowns (Whoopi Goldberg is quoted as saying "...he didn't commit rape rape" WTF?) I would like to take the police report, change the name from Roman Polanski to Dick Cheney, have them read the report, then give their opinions. Do you think they would sing the same tune?
Karl_Hungus
09-30-2009, 08:11 AM
More typical leftist hypocrisy out of Hollywood....
Lulz at "Debra Wingers" non-sequitor...
"He's a great artist, so he should be pardoned"..
WTF?
Yup, ridiculous. I read yesterday that a bunch of movie directors were signing some petition to get him released. Funny, the same group of people who complain that there is an unequal justice system in our country are the same ones who support this guy -- a man who was able to avoid justice because he had the money and resources to flee the country and live the high life in another country. If this were an ordinary person like you or me, we'd have been locked up and forced to register as a sex offender. I hope this douchebag does time.
cozener
09-30-2009, 08:12 AM
the victim in this case said yesterday through her lawyer that the district attorney's office has caused her more harm by bringing this back to the media every couple of years than Polanski ever has. what he did was wrong but if the victim wants it to be over why does the state keep pushing for it. she is married now with three kids and just wants to be left alone. i can understand both sides (victim and prosecuter) there does not seem to be an easy way to handle this. The guy still raped a 13 year old. He should pay for that. What kind of message would we be sending to other potential child molesters and to victims that do want justice to be served if we just let it go? It sucks for her but the right thing is often the hardest thing.
Defiant1
09-30-2009, 08:18 AM
More ridiculous rightist hysterics ascribing of moral depravity to someone's political beliefs because they don't match their own.
Because I described an observation, that automatically makes me part of the opposite view?
Please describe EXACTLY where I said I was "right wing".
This isn't about right or left...its about a bunch of people that go to the same Hollywood parties, owing favors to one another (or hoping to get them), and being in the habit of stroking one anothers' egos blindly sticking up for their "friends".
It SHOULDN'T be about right or left, but when you find me the right winger defending Roman Polanski I'm all ears.....
Coincidentally, it is left wing people being hypocrites.
1sknnyJ
09-30-2009, 08:18 AM
The guy still raped a 13 year old. He should pay for that. What kind of message would we be sending to other potential child molesters and to victims that do want justice to be served if we just let it go? It sucks for her but the right thing is often the hardest thing.
dont get me wrong here i totally agree that he should be brought to justice. i just think it sucks for the victim that she has to relive her rape every year for thirty+ years. i guess its partly her fault though (not the rape) because she released her own identity a few years back. if she would have never done that most people still probably wouldnt know who she is.
cozener
09-30-2009, 08:27 AM
Because I described an observation, that automatically makes me part of the opposite view?
Please describe EXACTLY where I said I was "right wing".
It SHOULDN'T be about right or left, but when you find me the right winger defending Roman Polanski I'm all ears.....
Coincidentally, it is left wing people being hypocrites. Ok...so why did the word "leftist" enter your post in the first place? Just saying that there aren't any rightist defending the guy doesn't say much when one considers the fact that most everyone in show business is a liberal. All widgets are googies and all googies are boogies but are all boogies widgets?
Politics should never have been a part of this conversation. These people aren't defending Polanski because of their political beliefs. They're defending him because he's a "colleague".
dont get me wrong here i totally agree that he should be brought to justice. i just think it sucks for the victim that she has to relive her rape every year for thirty+ years. i guess its partly her fault though (not the rape) because she released her own identity a few years back. if she would have never done that most people still probably wouldnt know who she is. Oh I hear ya. Its got to be very hard on her and her family. I'm sure her husband doesn't want to have to focus on the fact that his wife is a victim of rape. I'm sure her children don't want to hear about it either.
...I'm all ears.....
Oh, I see...it's all about the ears now. Racist!
(it was only a matter of time before the raced card was played :))
Karl_Hungus
09-30-2009, 08:31 AM
Ok...so why did the word "leftist" enter your post in the first place?
My guess is that it is because the hollywood elite are indeed leftists, and that same ideology is what drives them to complain about inequities in the justice system for the rich and poor. Yet, they think it is OK when one of their rich buddies is able to use his financial resources to escape justice. Seems at odds with their ideology and reeks of hypocrisy.
JC480
09-30-2009, 08:36 AM
As far as the argument goes that the (now adult) rape victim forgave this monster for molesting her...that's her personal choice.
However, many families of murder victims forgive the murderer of their crime. This does not absolve them of their crime in the eyes of the law or society. They must pay for their deeds...justice and the rule of law demand it.
This heinous act was committed when the victim was 13 years old. She was unable to resist or make a willful, and legal, agreement to the act to which she was violated with. The passing of time does not wash away this man's guilt...nor does he occupation or creative genius.
Many murderers and child molesters were productive members of society. We would have to apologize to every since one of these monsters if we give this pervert a pass.
He may be truly penitent for his crimes...BUT HE FLED THE COUNTRY. He must pay.
Deborah_Lyn
09-30-2009, 08:37 AM
I think it's more interesting it was the Swiss that arrested him! Wow!
He should stand trial - nothing at age 13 is consentual despite it being the 1970s when it occured. He's thumbed his nose at US law for years.
wiki has a good write up about the arrest by the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski
near bottom.
I think the bio-pic Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired in 2008 did not help him.
Defiant1
09-30-2009, 08:39 AM
Ok...so why did the word "leftist" enter your post in the first place? Just saying that there aren't any rightist defending the guy doesn't say much when one considers the fact that most everyone in show business is a liberal. All widgets are googies and all googies are boogies but are all boogies widgets?
Politics should never have been a part of this conversation.
*face palm*
You ask me why the word "leftist" entered my post...in fact I said More typical leftist hypocrisy out of Hollywood....it was qualified..
then you say 2 sentences later that almost everyone in hollywood is a liberal....
If one is a liberal, then a great part of ones beliefs is in basic human rights, correct? Tell me how that coincides with excusing the drugged raping of a 13 year old by a 44 year old?
Hence the hypocrisy...
cozener
09-30-2009, 08:41 AM
*face palm*
You ask me why the word "leftist" entered my post...in fact I said More typical leftist hypocrisy out of Hollywood....it was qualified..
then you say 2 sentences later that almost everyone in hollywood is a liberal....
If one is a liberal, then a great part of ones beliefs is in basic human rights, correct? Tell me how that coincides with excusing the drugged raping of a 13 year old by a 44 year old?
What I'm saying here, basically, is that someone's political beliefs have nothing to do with their feelings about statutory rape. By bringing the word "leftist" into the conversation its being implied that it does.
My guess is that it is because the hollywood elite are indeed leftists, and that same ideology is what drives them to complain about inequities in the justice system for the rich and poor. Yet, they think it is OK when one of their rich buddies is able to use his financial resources to escape justice. Seems at odds with their ideology and reeks of hypocrisy. Yes...they are being hypocrites. But arguing for equal justice is by no means the sole province of either side just as hypocrisy is not the sole province of either side. Unfortunately, peoples' ideology tend to go to the back burner when the question at hand directly effects them and theirs. An ultra religious pro-life advocate might feel differently about abortion when it comes to his own daughter getting knocked up at the age of 15 and the fiscal liberal might just adopt a more right wing view of taxes after he wins the lottery.
wendel34
09-30-2009, 08:46 AM
If this was an Avg Joe that would lynch him, but since this is a celebrity he is asked to get off. I think jail is too good for him. I seen Whoopie Goldburg defending him saying consent was given, never knew 13 year old was able to give consent. These Hollywood people need banned and boycotted for supporting this man. Just like politics, get up and act and keep you stupid opinion to yourself......
Barry Bonds
09-30-2009, 08:47 AM
he should have a fair trial just the same as if he were Joe Blow accused of the same crime....
I honestly can't speak fairly about what I hope happens, as I have a daughter.
When I say fair, I hope he gets proper legal representation, and I hope the law is properly administered.
GnomusMaximus
09-30-2009, 08:48 AM
It must be nice to be able to blame everything that is wrong on "the leftists" although for the life of me I can't remember anything about pardoning sex offending directors during all of my socialist indoctrination classes when i was in public school. Perhaps I was asleep that day.
GreenWave1
09-30-2009, 08:50 AM
What I'm saying here, basically, is that someone's political beliefs have nothing to do with their feelings about statutory rape. By bringing the word "leftist" into the conversation its being implied that it does.
Yes...they are being hypocrites. But arguing for equal justice is by no means the sole province of either side just as hypocrisy is not the sole province of either side. Unfortunately, peoples' ideology tend to go to the back burner when the question at hand directly effects them and theirs. An ultra religious pro-life advocate might feel differently about abortion when it comes to his own daughter getting knocked up at the age of 15 and the fiscal liberal might just adopt a more right wing view of taxes after he wins the lottery.
I'm confused. This thread is about the Roman Polanski situation, right? So what is wrong with observing the hypocrisy?
Edit: Have you read the report? Yes, he effectively pleaded to "statutory rape", but getting a 13 year old drunk, giving her half a qualude, then ignoring her when she says stop, is rape. Of a child.
Defiant1
09-30-2009, 08:54 AM
What I'm saying here, basically, is that someone's political beliefs have nothing to do with their feelings about statutory rape. By bringing the word "leftist" into the conversation its being implied that it does.
You are making my point. You are also misstating my quote. I specifically said "leftist hypocrisy out of hollywood" I didn't say leftist in general.
If a group of people who espouse liberal causes (making themselves political) suddenly contradicts themselves, then they are hypocrites, which you acknowledge below..
Yes...they are being hypocrites. But arguing for equal justice is by no means the sole province of either side just as hypocrisy is not the sole province of either side. Unfortunately, peoples' ideology tend to go to the back burner when the question at hand directly effects them and theirs. An ultra religious pro-life advocate might feel differently about abortion when it comes to his own daughter getting knocked up at the age of 15 and the fiscal liberal might just adopt a more right wing view of taxes after he wins the lottery.
Point...they AREN'T arguing for equal justice. They are arguing against it..
GreenWave1
09-30-2009, 08:54 AM
It must be nice to be able to blame everything that is wrong on "the leftists" although for the life of me I can't remember anything about pardoning sex offending directors during all of my socialist indoctrination classes when i was in public school. Perhaps I was asleep that day.
Wow. Observing the hypocrisy of a leftist and "blaming everything that is wrong on..." are two different things.
Not sure what being "leftist" has to do with this issue.
Because the people I saw crying for his release were open leftist...Sean Penn and Debra Winger.
It must be nice to be able to blame everything that is wrong on "the leftists" although for the life of me I can't remember anything about pardoning sex offending directors during all of my socialist indoctrination classes when i was in public school. Perhaps I was asleep that day.
Nah, you weren't asleep that day. It simply wasn't as prevalent back then. Btw, do you have any idea of the breakdown of percentage of self professed "liberals" in all levels of our education system? When you find out, I'd love to hear your explanation of how it doesn't and couldn't possibly effect the mindset of the children in this country.
Back to the specific topic.... Polanski's defense is inexcusable. But it is also true that as a society, we tend to be more lenient after a considerable time has passed by, no matter what the crime was. Yes, he should punished, and he'll be very lucky in his sentencing if he ever is. Weep not for Polanski.
Nah, you weren't asleep that day. It simply wasn't as prevalent back then. Btw, do you have any idea of the breakdown of percentage of self professed "liberals" in all levels of our education system? When you find out, I'd love to hear your explanation of how it doesn't and couldn't possibly effect the mindset of the children in this country.
Back to the specific topic.... Polanski's defense is inexcusable. But it is also true that as a society, we tend to be more lenient after a considerable time has passed by, no matter what the crime was. Yes, he should punished, and he'll be very lucky in his sentencing if he ever is. Weep not for Polanski.
Something tells me he'll get off. The rich always seem to find a way to buy their way out.
GnomusMaximus
09-30-2009, 09:18 AM
It's because I am completely fed up with every issue being qualified with some sort of statement regarding left or right or liberal or conservative. In this case it gets me on two levels, first not all issues have to do with politics. Second as a person that has worked in some way with more of these situations than I would care to remember, I can assure you that those involved, both the actual offender and those that try to one way or another excuse their behavior (this just happens to be a case where those people get more attention than those in the thousands of other cases that happen every year), do so with no regards what so ever to their political leanings and are represented accross a wide range of beliefs. The words leftist, rightist, consevative, liberal, Democrat, Republican should never make their way into this conversation in that context.
GreenWave1
09-30-2009, 09:23 AM
It's because I am completely fed up with every issue being qualified with some sort of statement regarding left or right or liberal or conservative. In this case it gets me on two levels, first not all issues have to do with politics. Second as a person that has worked in some way with more of these situations than I would care to remember, I can assure you that those involved, both the actual offender and those that try to one way or another excuse their behavior (this just happens to be a case where those people get more attention than those in the thousands of other cases that happen every year), do so with no regards what so ever to their political leanings and are represented accross a wide range of beliefs. The words leftist, rightist, consevative, liberal, Democrat, Republican should never make their way into this conversation in that context.
It seems you may have missed the point. Nobody said that Polanski did it because he was a leftist. That term entered the conversation when some observed the reactions of others in Hollywood. For example, Debra Winger said he should get off and that she looked forward "to his next release and masterpiece". Whoopi Goldberg said he "didn't commit rape rape". Someone then observered that this was hypocritical of someone with a leftist point of view. I agree with this observation. I would also agree that a conservative christian who wanted to give a whoring TV evangelist a pass was a hypocrite.
Something tells me he'll get off. The rich always seem to find a way to buy their way out.
I'm not following this closely, but if I'm nnot mistaken...he's already pleaded guilty and skipped before sentencing. This means it would simply be a judges discretion as to the time he serves. I'll bet money he doesn't get more than 5yrs, and he'll be out in 2, with plenty of time to enjoy his twilight years.
The words leftist, rightist, consevative, liberal, Democrat, Republican should never make their way into this conversation in that context.
I agree with you. I think that it's just that in this case the media has focused on "important" people (read Hollywood) as coming to his aid. And while this is natural (because he's a producer, duh! :)), it just reminds conservatives how much disdain they have for Hollywood stars....who happen to be overwhelmingly liberal. In other words, more coincidence here than people probably realize, and the issue just gets politically opposed people in the mix...as evidenced by this thread. But yeah, I agree with you on that statement, Andrew.
The words leftist, rightist, consevative, liberal, Democrat, Republican should never make their way into this conversation in that context.
Except for the openly leftist Hollywood moguls that are being overly vocal DEMANDING his release.
cozener
09-30-2009, 09:44 AM
Edit: Have you read the report? Yes, he effectively pleaded to "statutory rape", but getting a 13 year old drunk, giving her half a qualude, then ignoring her when she says stop, is rape. Of a child.Did I say it wasn't?
The words leftist, rightist, consevative, liberal, Democrat, Republican should never make their way into this conversation in that context. This was all I was saying in the first place.
Except for the openly leftist Hollywood moguls that are being overly vocal DEMANDING his release.And once again...its not about being leftist...its about "friends" and "colleagues" sticking up for one another. I daresay that in the case of a "mogul" we're talking about someone that might stand to make money off of a free Polanski making movies as opposed to a jailed Polanski finger painting in his prison cell.
Chris_T
09-30-2009, 09:45 AM
As far as the argument goes that the (now adult) rape victim forgave this monster for molesting her...that's her personal choice.
However, many families of murder victims forgive the murderer of their crime. This does not absolve them of their crime in the eyes of the law or society. They must pay for their deeds...justice and the rule of law demand it.
This heinous act was committed when the victim was 13 years old. She was unable to resist or make a willful, and legal, agreement to the act to which she was violated with. The passing of time does not wash away this man's guilt...nor does he occupation or creative genius.
Many murderers and child molesters were productive members of society. We would have to apologize to every since one of these monsters if we give this pervert a pass.
He may be truly penitent for his crimes...BUT HE FLED THE COUNTRY. He must pay.
Great post. X2.
GnomusMaximus
09-30-2009, 09:53 AM
Except for the openly leftist Hollywood moguls that are being overly vocal DEMANDING his release.
Oh for Pete's sake...every time you wind up in a situation like this there are those vocaly demanding their release. I've heard hundreds of "he's not a bad guy", "she was old enough to know what she/he was doing", "don't you think he's been punished enough", "that was a long time ago", "my son/brother/uncle/friend/whatever is not like those other____"....the people in this guys circle just happen to be famous.
Defiant1
09-30-2009, 10:10 AM
Newsflash: "leftist" and "liberal" are not just political philosophies...they are also social philosophies and legal philosophies.
Hence the hypocrisy.....again...
ffs, they would've been more outraged if he raped a dog or a whale...
ya rly.
Oh for Pete's sake...every time you wind up in a situation like this there are those vocaly demanding their release. I've heard hundreds of "he's not a bad guy", "she was old enough to know what she/he was doing", "don't you think he's been punished enough", "that was a long time ago", "my son/brother/uncle/friend/whatever is not like those other____"....the people in this guys circle just happen to be famous.
Oh for pete's sake....calm down, sheesh.
You guys get all riled up so easily. Next thing you'll fly off the handle if someone says they want to "tone up".
GnomusMaximus
09-30-2009, 10:21 AM
Newsflash: "leftist" and "liberal" are not just political philosophies...they are also social philosophies and legal philosophies.
Hence the hypocrisy.....again...
ffs, they would've been more outraged if he raped a dog...
ya rly.
I'm sure I will have another chance to have this argument, and trust me I look forward to it...but doing so would only place me in the same position I find so offensive here. This is about a very sad and common situation where a charismatic and talented person abuses their power, and a second situation is created where others let their admiration or relationship with that person cloud their judgement. I deal with this way more frequently than I should and it is unfortunately all too familiar sounding. I hope he is punished and that it is done without causing further harm to the victim and her family.
cozener
09-30-2009, 10:27 AM
Newsflash: "leftist" and "liberal" are not just political philosophies...they are also social philosophies and legal philosophies.
Hence the hypocrisy.....again...
ffs, they would've been more outraged if he raped a dog or a whale...
ya rly. Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here but it appears to me that you really are saying that "leftists" and "liberals" really do have a different view of rape than other people. You stated earlier that you put in the "qualifier" of leftists out of "Hollywood". But the above statement is leading me to believe that the real qualifier for you is the word "leftist" not "Hollywood". If I''ve missed your point here (which I truly hope I have) please tell me because, frankly, I don't much like what I'm thinking.
GreenWave1
09-30-2009, 10:48 AM
Did I say it wasn't?
Yes. Here:
What I'm saying here, basically, is that someone's political beliefs have nothing to do with their feelings about statutory rape. By bringing the word "leftist" into the conversation its being implied that it does.
I notice that you refer to it simply as rape elsewhere. I'd rather not read between the lines.
This has turned more into an ideological discussion then one about the case at hand. If we wish to continue this type of thread, we should probably take it to the Religion and Politics forum before being told to.
cozener
09-30-2009, 10:54 AM
Kinda nitpicking, aren't ya? I say statutory rape and child molestation elsewhere too. Forgive me for leaving off all the adjectives here and there. ;) But is it not statutory rape? Is that the wrong legal term?
This has turned more into an ideological discussion then one about the case at hand. If we wish to continue this type of thread, we should probably take it to the Religion and Politics forum before being told to.And my original point was that it shouldn't be an ideological discussion.
GreenWave1
09-30-2009, 11:27 AM
Kinda nitpicking, aren't ya? I say statutory rape and child molestation elsewhere too. Forgive me for leaving off all the adjectives here and there. ;) But is it not statutory rape? Is that the wrong legal term?
Statutory rape involves consent. That was not present in this case.
cozener
09-30-2009, 11:38 AM
I looked it up and you're right. I thought statutory rape was just sex with a minor...consensual or not. So I'll go ahead and make myself clear. I see what Polanski did as child molestation. When I say "rape" I say it because its a general term that covers any kind of sexual assault you'd care to name (and is much easier to type). Frankly, it never even occurred to me that someone might interpret my use of the word "rape" as an attempt to say that it wasn't child molestation.
Old-Time-Lifter
09-30-2009, 11:47 AM
He's a sick sick man........... but he's had some odd turns in his life maybe he's not in his right mind.
cozener
09-30-2009, 11:51 AM
I don't think any child molester is in his/her right mind.
GuyJin
09-30-2009, 05:02 PM
Regardless of what he did--and what he did was a crime he should be punished for--the concepts of "left" and "right" (wing) shouldn't be dragged into this debate. Granted, Polanski does have his supporters--he is an excellent director and has been recognized as being such--but they are speaking from emotion and not logic; they are speaking as his friends and not looking at the case objectively.
Really, what this is, is a case of an individual who had sex with a minor, who knew it was wrong at the time, and who was, understandably, frightened of being charged and then (probably) deported. It matters not that the victim forgave him--and great credit to her--what matters is that he should stand trial for what he did under the law. Period. The issue of his talent or the various elements in Hollywood supporting him is really a non-issue. Whatever his sentence is, it is, unfair as it may be to some (i.e. not long enough). But please, people, leave the "politics" out of it--it is a non-issue.
KyleAaron
09-30-2009, 05:43 PM
The thing is that if he'd stayed to be sentenced he'd've been long out of prison by now. You don't get 30 years for statutory rape, more like 2-5. They may reduce it because of the time passed, but they'll also increase it because he evaded sentencing, and because of the publicity involved in the case. So probably 2-5.
I think 2-5 years in prison when you're around 40 is a lot easier to deal with than 2-5 when you're around 70, or whatever he is.
But I guess he thought he'd avoid it forever.
This isn't a left-right issue. It's just nepotism, helping out your mates. When a rich banker get caught defrauding people, his rich banker mates step up to defend him and say he shouldn't be charged. When a cop is caught taking bribes or assaulting suspects, his cop mates step up to defend him.
Same with the movie industry.
Old-Time-Lifter
09-30-2009, 06:02 PM
I don't think any child molester is in his/her right mind.
The younger members of the 035 might not remember this. I'm in no way excusing him though........ I personally would have hunted him down and castrated him if it would have been my daughter.
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/t/tate/tate_murders.htm
bhaputi
09-30-2009, 07:27 PM
I'm not following this closely, but if I'm nnot mistaken...he's already pleaded guilty and skipped before sentencing. This means it would simply be a judges discretion as to the time he serves. I'll bet money he doesn't get more than 5yrs, and he'll be out in 2, with plenty of time to enjoy his twilight years.
You are likely right but, believe me, those 2 years would be, shall we say, less than pleasant.
If they found out today just pictures of what he did, he would be put away for a long long time. That being said, as a father of a beautiful 13 year old GIRL, I can honestly say we would not be having this conversation if he touched my baby girl. We would be talking about my parole! Yes he is a brilliant artist but that does not give him carte blanche to rape and sodimize. The smartest and most talented man in the world, Socrates, was put to death for the same crime.
Being rich, talented and popular doesn't overide sex with a child....full stop, end of story, no exceptions.
My personal opinion is that this type of behaviour should be met with a death penalty.
ArchAngel'73
09-30-2009, 10:54 PM
My opinion...
karma caught up to the bast*rd in the form of Charles Manson well before any legal system.
tolewfo
09-30-2009, 11:21 PM
I think that they should just cut off his pecker and throw him in jail for the time he was supposed to serve, and be done with him. Don't parade him around in the media like some sort of victim. Maybe, put him in a cell with Gary Glitter. I hate pedo's with a passion and they all deserve castration and frontal labotomies(sp ?).
KyleAaron
10-01-2009, 12:15 AM
My opinion...
karma caught up to the bast*rd in the form of Charles Manson well before any legal system.
I don't see that his family ought to be brutally murdered for his crimes.
But perhaps your ideas of justice and morality are different from mine... and those of the rest of the civilised world.
ArchAngel'73
10-01-2009, 01:05 AM
I don't see that his family ought to be brutally murdered for his crimes.
But perhaps your ideas of justice and morality are different from mine... and those of the rest of the civilised world.
Whoa son.
I never wrote "ought" and you have no idea as to what my ideas of justice and morality are.
If there was such a thing as karma, it would appear to me that he has already paid indirectly. His wife and unborn were innocents and taken from this world and him.
I guess that thought makes me uncivilised, huh?
I appreciate you making ASSumptions, we all know where that leads us.
au revoir:)
hipshimmy
10-01-2009, 01:12 AM
Yup, ridiculous. I read yesterday that a bunch of movie directors were signing some petition to get him released. Funny, the same group of people who complain that there is an unequal justice system in our country are the same ones who support this guy -- a man who was able to avoid justice because he had the money and resources to flee the country and live the high life in another country. If this were an ordinary person like you or me, we'd have been locked up and forced to register as a sex offender. I hope this douchebag does time.
I remember Chris Rock coming on Oprah talking about his experience hosting. He mentioned how people got upset by what he said, but the same show gave an Oscar to a rapist. The audience was kinda quiet, but he made his point. I don't even know why these stars are circling the wagons so to speak. Can't we just call this a case of karma? What happened to you do the crime, you do the time? It should be you do the crime, but avoid the time because the criminal is a celeb. However, they never convicted R Kelly for filming and pissing on a 14 y o girl. WTF?
hipshimmy
10-01-2009, 01:20 AM
If there was such a thing as karma, it would appear to me that he has already paid indirectly. His wife and unborn were innocents and taken from this world and him.
au revoir:)
Didn't Sharon Tate die in 1969? Wasn't he charged with having sex with a 13 year old in the 70's?
Halfway
10-01-2009, 01:27 AM
Child rape, when done in Darfur, is a terrible thing and should be protested on TV - but when it's a director who might get you an Oscar if he casts you in his next film it's perfectly ok.
I sometimes see the C-listers at open-door hollywood events and I throw up in my mouth a little at the sight of people fawning over them.. I can only imagine what it does to their worldview when someone who's already an ego-driven sociopath gets to live in a make-believe world where everyone tells them they're amazing 24/7
The revolting man should be put in gen pop for 10 years so Miguel and the ms-13 esses can have an open season on his backdoor - maybe it'll revise his opinions on 'no means yes'
ElMariachi
10-01-2009, 01:32 AM
Drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old girl is quite kosher only if you are a SUCCESSFUL Hollywood director, if you're just some hack director making B movies, forget about it, nobody's sticking up for you.
dunkalicious
10-01-2009, 01:43 AM
I don't care how long its been, justice needs to be served.
Jail time.
x2.
cozener
10-01-2009, 06:09 AM
The younger members of the 035 might not remember this. I'm in no way excusing him though........ I personally would have hunted him down and castrated him if it would have been my daughter.
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/t/tate/tate_murders.htm Yeah, and I think one or both of his parents was killed in the Holocaust too. As you say, the guy has had some odd turns in his life.
White_Chocolate
10-01-2009, 08:11 AM
I understand that the victim wants this to go away but since this is out she should just charge him to bring justice. She should do this to help other rape victims by giving them strength to speak up. If she doesn't do this, then she'll be sending the wrong message that anybody can get away with it and won't give other victims hope. I think she now has a responsibility to fight for justice.
He should go to jail so that he can get raped just like he did this innocent child. Then someone should cut his d**k and shove down his throat!!
Old-Time-Lifter
10-01-2009, 08:37 AM
I understand that the victim wants this to go away but since this is out she should just charge him to bring justice. She should do this to help other rape victims by giving them strength to speak up. If she doesn't do this, then she'll be sending the wrong message that anybody can get away with it and won't give other victims hope. I think she now has a responsibility to fight for justice.
He should go to jail so that he can get raped just like he did this innocent child. Then someone should cut his d**k and shove down his throat!!
:eek: :eek: :eek:
cozener
10-01-2009, 08:46 AM
acf...why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel?
White_Chocolate
10-01-2009, 09:24 AM
acf...why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel?
lol! I'm very passionate when it comes to someone hurting a child.
She knew what she was doing...
OMG, the next person that says this I want to punch in the face!
Deborah_Lyn
10-01-2009, 09:48 AM
I have to admit, Hannity yesterday (97.1 went to a commercial, so I switched to 750 am for a few) read the grand jury court procedings of her testimony. I got very upset and the 'rape-rape' comment really pissed me off. Whoppi back peddled today, but she proved celebs need to stfu when they have no clue.
The culture worship of celebrities that lack character depth or critical thought/eductaion makes me worry. Celebs used to just endorse products, now they think they can 'enlighten' the masses when their skill (for the most part) is to parrot what someone else has writen. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I see it as intrusive. When you are charged with a crime, the STATE goes after you. That is the party that brings suit in a criminal case. The offense is found to be on the scale that it goes against the law and social mores. He plead, he does the time with time added due to fleeing and causing more complications.
This guy got away with rape (thus far), Spector shots and kills a woman at his house... I won't even talk about OJ, that case was screwed up on both sides. I just hope parents are speaking with their kids (teens) about why celebs and their 'cause' in this case is poor choice.
This is all just fodder for the media, as it's really academic and I'll say it again; the man pleaded guilty to this crime and then fled the country. He is a fugitive. There is no actual "debate" over whether he should be punished, only what the punishment/sentence will be..........if we can successfully extradite him. End of story.
Hibiscus09
10-01-2009, 10:32 AM
I haven't really followed Polanski's story much, but have caught up some on it now. I read this:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/09/29/hollywood.embraces.polanski/
and was thinking -- wow -- his mother was killed by Hitler and his wife by Charles Manson. How sad and what a history!! Then, I read of his career and have loved a lot of his work. He's good at what he does for a living.
I did take note that Woody Allen was supporting Polanski's not being punished. That's who I'd want a character endorsement from given the situation. :rolleyes: :D
Then, I read this:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html
and my usually tender and empathetic heart lost a lot of sympathy.
He fled justice -- and despite the fact his rape victim forgives him -- and perhaps, by now, he's talked to God and received forgiveness from Him -- who knows? -- in any event the man gave alcohol and a quaalude to a 13 year old girl and then proceeded to have vaginal and anal sex with her. He was convicted and did not serve his time. He should.
SP1966
10-01-2009, 11:39 AM
and was thinking -- wow -- his mother was killed by Hitler and his wife by Charles Manson. How sad and what a history!! Then, I read of his career and have loved a lot of his work. He's good at what he does for a living.
The first person killed by the Manson family was named Steve Parent, :eek: and yes, we are related, second cousins. Just a little SP trivia for you all... back to your regularly scheduled programming!
GreenWave1
10-01-2009, 11:44 AM
In a shocking development, the French are retreating:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1217378/French-government-drops-support-director-Roman-Polanski-faces-extradition-U-S.html
Hibiscus09
10-01-2009, 11:50 AM
The first person killed by the Manson family was named Steve Parent, :eek: and yes, we are related, second cousins. Just a little SP trivia for you all... back to your regularly scheduled programming!
Wowzers! I read that book -- Hellter Skelter -- but it's been back in my teens, so I don't remember all of the details.
Iceman1800
10-01-2009, 01:21 PM
the victim in this case said yesterday through her lawyer that the district attorney's office has caused her more harm by bringing this back to the media every couple of years than Polanski ever has. what he did was wrong but if the victim wants it to be over why does the state keep pushing for it. she is married now with three kids and just wants to be left alone. i can understand both sides (victim and prosecuter) there does not seem to be an easy way to handle this.
agreed 100%. this is about an overzealous prosecuter looking to make a name for himself. the woman wants that part of her life to be left in the past. making her re-live it will just bring her more pain.
My wife works in family support and regularly sees cases where the victim would rather forget their abuse. In many cases, they have forgotten the crime......until years later and then have to seek help to try to achieve closure. At lease if this person is brought to justice, the victim may achieve closure?
Oh, and it was actually Polanski's legal team who "brought this up again" when they tried to have the conviction quashed last year. So to the American prosecutors, this would have been like waving a red rag at a bull.
Remember, Polanski is still the only one to blame here.....If he had never comitted the act, none of this would be happening now.
Iceman1800
10-01-2009, 05:26 PM
Remember, Polanski is still the only one to blame here.....If he had never comitted the act, none of this would be happening now.
No dispute on that point.
Chris_T
10-01-2009, 07:23 PM
This is all just fodder for the media, as it's really academic and I'll say it again; the man pleaded guilty to this crime and then fled the country. He is a fugitive. There is no actual "debate" over whether he should be punished, only what the punishment/sentence will be..........if we can successfully extradite him. End of story.
Indeed. There's no controversy of any kind, except whatever Polanski's supporters have managed to Gin up in the media-and the inevitable backlash of same. The State of California has a valid arrest warrant which has now been served. In a few days, the Governor's office will send a formal request to the host country to transfer Polanski to their custody. Once its determined to actually be Polanski on the warrant, he'll be extradited per our extradition treaty with Switzerland. The end.
GnomusMaximus
10-02-2009, 05:24 AM
The first person killed by the Manson family was named Steve Parent, :eek: and yes, we are related, second cousins. Just a little SP trivia for you all... back to your regularly scheduled programming!
Wow, I should have picked up on that. You would have been what around 3 at that time. Must have been terrible for your family.