Fantasy Football Think Tank

[ZidaneValor]

I wasn't planning on picking up a backup QB, but Stafford in free agency was too good to resist, so I dropped the Saints defense.

If I can't pull off a trade between now and September 11th, who should I drop for a defense?

10-team money-league. 1 PPR and 6 Pts/Passing TD.

STARTERS
QB: Matt Schaub ($4)
RB: Jamaal Charles ($60)
RB: Darren McFadden ($36)
WR: Mike Wallace ($27)
WR: Vincent Jackson ($13)
RB/WR: UNDECIDED
TE: Jermichael Finley ($7)
K: Nate Kaeding ($1)
DEF: None Yet

6 BENCH + 1 FLEX + 1 EXTRA SPOT (Need to Drop 1 for a DEF)
Dwayne Bowe ($12)
Santonio Holmes ($3)
Ryan Grant ($10)
Jahvid Best ($7)
Knowshon Moreno ($7)
Tim Hightower ($3)
Mike Tolbert ($3)
Matt Stafford (FA)

[TopsecretWaffle]

anyone interested in doin a misc money league on rtsports.com? 29.99 buyin, winner gets 250. we can do draft sunday night. HIT ME UP!

im down

[biggquis]

I just did my first mock draft, picking 7th in a 10 team. My actual money draft, I'll be picking 8th. My strategy is going to be wr/wr/rb/rb, unless McCoy somehow falls to me at No. 8

Mock Results:

McCoy
Calvin Johnson
Mike Wallace
DeSean Jackson
Shonn Greene
Matt Ryan
Mark Ingram
Reggie Bush
Rob GRonkowski
Joseph Addai (auto pick lol)
Julio Jones
Braylon Edwards
Kendall Hunter
Rashad Jennings
Josh Brown
Chiefs D

What do you guys think?

I think its a pretty solid team, if Matt Ryan performs how I think he will this year. I would have the top wideouts in the league, hands down, and some potential steals in Hunter and Jennings if the injury bug strikes how I think it will.

By the way, we start 2 rb, 3 wr, and a flex. The rest is standard 1 qb, te, etc
non ppr

Bump. Any obvious holes in this team?

[Zabooni]

Hey guys, I had a question about a potential trade, here's my team in a 12 man non PPR standard scoring:

QB: Eli Manning
WR: Mike Wallace
WR: Dez Bryant
RB: Rashad Mendenhall
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew
Flex: Felix Jones
TE: Dallas Clark
K: will pick up off waivers
Def: KC

Bench:
Tim Hightower
Percy Harvin
Robert Meachem
Jacoby Ford
Santana Moss
Roy Williams
Steve Smith (Car)

How does a trade where I give up Dez and Hightower for Vincent Jackson sound? Seems like a pretty good deal to me. I expect good things from Hightower and keeping him for depth would have been nice, especially with MJD's knee, and Dez has potential to be great. But I still feel like grabbing Vjax is good good to let go. Lemme know what you guys think of my team, and what changes should be made, I'm pretty new to all this so lots to learn!

[Future24]

How does everyone feel about Todd Heap? Sleeper?

[biggquis]

Hey guys, I had a question about a potential trade, here's my team in a 12 man non PPR standard scoring:

QB: Eli Manning
WR: Mike Wallace
WR: Dez Bryant
RB: Rashad Mendenhall
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew
Flex: Felix Jones
TE: Dallas Clark
K: will pick up off waivers
Def: KC

Bench:
Tim Hightower
Percy Harvin
Robert Meachem
Jacoby Ford
Santana Moss
Roy Williams
Steve Smith (Car)

How does a trade where I give up Dez and Hightower for Vincent Jackson sound? Seems like a pretty good deal to me. I expect good things from Hightower and keeping him for depth would have been nice, especially with MJD's knee, and Dez has potential to be great. But I still feel like grabbing Vjax is good good to let go. Lemme know what you guys think of my team, and what changes should be made, I'm pretty new to all this so lots to learn!

I'd start VJax over Dez every week, but that would leave you with no runningbacks on the bench. Stand pat for now, and let Hightower tear it up for a week or two, and then offer the trade to the same guy for Vjax and another player

[Zabooni]

in a 1 PPR what u guys think about top 5 picks??

I think it should go

1. Foster
2. AP
3. Rice
4. McCoy
5. Jamal Charles

or should i switch the McCoy and Charles positions??

Personally I have Charles as my #3 RB in PPR. My rankings are as follows:

1. Foster
2. Rice
3. Charles
4. Chris Johnson
5. McCoy
6. AP

Foster and Rice are both solid #1 and 2 in my opinion. I think Thomas Jones is one season older and a bit slower so Charles slowly gets more carries. He should also get somewhere near 50 receptions in my opinion so I think he's solid. I think McCoy is good and he'll get more receptions but I still think Charles should easily out produce him due to far better rushing statistics.

I have AP down at 6 because he doesn't catch as many balls as some other guys, and I think this is the year he struggles. Maybe it has to do with the fact that he lost McKinnie, or maybe the fact that his defense and the offense around him is still so suspect and getting worse. We all know RBs start to decline at an age, and maybe I'm calling this a year or two too early, and now he'll probably go on and rush for 2000. Any way this is really off topic, but what are you guy's opinions on AP? I still think he's a top 5-6 draft pick in all redrafts, but do you guys think it's time to trade him away in keeper leagues?

[biggquis]

How does everyone feel about Todd Heap? Sleeper?

I have a man-crush on Todd Heap. I still think he's a great player, just needs to first off stay healthy, and second be given the opportunity to dominate. I'll tell you what... he will be a great value IMO. Kolb made Celek, and I think he will have the same effect as he looks for someone to throw to while Fitz is being double and triple teamed. Heap will be good in Arizona (his hometown by the way)

[biggquis]

I wasn't planning on picking up a backup QB, but Stafford in free agency was too good to resist, so I dropped the Saints defense.

If I can't pull off a trade between now and September 11th, who should I drop for a defense?

10-team money-league. 1 PPR and 6 Pts/Passing TD.

STARTERS
QB: Matt Schaub ($4)
RB: Jamaal Charles ($60)
RB: Darren McFadden ($36)
WR: Mike Wallace ($27)
WR: Vincent Jackson ($13)
RB/WR: UNDECIDED
TE: Jermichael Finley ($7)
K: Nate Kaeding ($1)
DEF: None Yet

6 BENCH + 1 FLEX + 1 EXTRA SPOT (Need to Drop 1 for a DEF)
Dwayne Bowe ($12)
Santonio Holmes ($3)
Ryan Grant ($10)
Jahvid Best ($7)
Knowshon Moreno ($7)
Tim Hightower ($3)
Mike Tolbert ($3)
Matt Stafford (FA)

I'd drop Ryan Grant out of that bunch. I know I know... why drop a starting Rb? Well, because from all reports, he sucks now. He's being outplayed and outpracticed. Only a matter of time before Starks gets enough touches to make him even less valuable. Anyway, for the purpose of your situation, I'd drop Grant as he has less upside than any other player on your bench

[Zabooni]

I'd start VJax over Dez every week, but that would leave you with no runningbacks on the bench. Stand pat for now, and let Hightower tear it up for a week or two, and then offer the trade to the same guy for Vjax and another player

Sounds like a good plan. If MJD goes down then I'll probably be pretty happy I kept Hightower. What do you think about McCoy vs. Mendenhall in non PPR? I had the choice for both with the 7th pick but chose Mendy because I feel like he's much safer. But looking back I definitely regret that, I feel like McCoy is going to have a big year, and he'll be especially important if Vick misses time.

[biggquis]

[QUOTE=Max~Power;740526603]Thanks... If Ocho is 75% of what Moss was with Brady... I'm sold. And you caught the Branch Handcuff for welker/Ocho I see... u are aware.

And you know that Mike isn't the TB... Not at 101st overall...







I've seen some people get really negative on Mike Williams... As if he's the next Michael Clayton... So I figure better to be safe and ask than sorry and assume.

I think one potential snake bite in there is that Ocho and Branch are going to be sort of fighting each other for the same role and touches in that offense... One is going to play the Randy Moss role and the other is going to play the Donte Stallworth role.

So I think as the weeks progress, when which ever emerges that you're going to have to keep a sharp eye on the waiver wire to drop the new Stallworthless for some darkhorse yet to be seen.

Interesting take on the Ocho/Branch debate. I'm gonna have to disagree. Branch sucks. Tom Brady made him his money. He can do nothing without Tom. On the other hand, Ocho is(was?) a stud with Carson Palmer throwing him the rock. I don't know what Ocho still has left, but I'm pretty sure its more than Branch ever had. I'm not predicting Brady-Moss numbers, but Ocho will finish top 15 IMO. Yes, I know its bold, but I gotta believe in the man who punked Aaron Hernandez for his number

[biggquis]

Sounds like a good plan. If MJD goes down then I'll probably be pretty happy I kept Hightower. What do you think about McCoy vs. Mendenhall in non PPR? I had the choice for both with the 7th pick but chose Mendy because I feel like he's much safer. But looking back I definitely regret that, I feel like McCoy is going to have a big year, and he'll be especially important if Vick misses time.

Hmmm... I'd lean towards Mendy in a non ppr. Ppr, I'd go McCoy all the way. I don't think we've seen the best of Mendy yet, and that passing game keeps defenses honest. I think he will be more steady as far as touching the ball 20+ times goes

[Krunchy]

Hey guys, a few questions.

12-team, 1 PPR league. Who would you choose between Gore/McFadden as a RB1? I've done about 20 mocks and with the 16th pick it comes down to these two quite a bit (sometimes McFadden has been taken at this point).

Also, how would you guys rank the following WR's: Wes Welker, Mike Williams, Brandon Llyod, Brandon Marshall (again this is PPR).

I know they're all ranked there together but I'm just looking for some additional insight. Thanks.

[Nainoa]

Boy I tell you walking into a keeper Auction as the guy with the least amount of money ($224) when there were seven other owners who had $400+ ($500 salary cap) I got pretty beat up and out spent on a lot of talent.

I also got hosed on TE's, trying to nominate gimme's for other teams that needed TE's and passed.

Ignoring salary cap for the moment, here's my final roster:

Big Ben
Matt Ryan (Threw him back in the pool instead of Paying $55 and got him back for $39!)

LeSean McCoy
L. Blount
Daniel Thomas
Reggie Bush
Ronnie Brown
CJ Spiller

Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Miles Austin

Jimmy Graham
Zach Miller :mad: (Nominated him for $1 and everyone dropped)
Kellen Winslow :mad: (Bid on him ONCE and everyone dropped)

Kaeding

San Diego (This is one of only 3 Defenses that went for under $30 in a $500 Cap!!!!) :mad:


On the bright side... I feel confident that this roster can win me a championship this year... But because so many people with big money just over paid player after player after player... That next year (Which is a major rebuilding year for me) there's going to be a really big talent pool for me to rebuild from...


And at least I got all my handcuffs.

[dirtdickens]

Hey guys, a few questions.

12-team, 1 PPR league. Who would you choose between Gore/McFadden as a RB1? I've done about 20 mocks and with the 16th pick it comes down to these two quite a bit (sometimes McFadden has been taken at this point).

Also, how would you guys rank the following WR's: Wes Welker, Mike Williams, Brandon Llyod, Brandon Marshall (again this is PPR).

I know they're all ranked there together but I'm just looking for some additional insight. Thanks.

Is Matt Forte there? He is honestly the better pick at that point in PPR. Gore is decent but you will have to handcuff. Pretty much the same problem for both of them in that they will both be hurt at some point. Also, DMac played one of the easiest schedules last year, he is a beast, but you have to take that into account

As far as WR Williams and Welker are the two you would want. Personally I think Williams is gonna have a better year.

[Srs Thread]

Ethical/ strategy question guys

Auction keeper league, can only keep 3 for up to 3 years. 10 teams. Standard positions and scoring.

I have j charles, megatron, and mike wallace locked up for 45. How crazy would I be to explode and get 3 top round talents and use up all of my money on those 3 spots (qb rb flex... say vick/mendenhall/ and ray rice if possible)? I wouldn't be able to sign anyone else until the draft ends and I think I can get WW depth and d/k for free.

Is this smart/ethical? Nobody ever did this in our league

[Nainoa]

Ethical/ strategy question guys

Auction keeper league, can only keep 3 for up to 3 years. 10 teams. Standard positions and scoring.

I have j charles, megatron, and mike wallace locked up for 45. How crazy would I be to explode and get 3 top round talents and use up all of my money on those 3 spots (qb rb flex... say vick/mendenhall/ and ray rice if possible)? I wouldn't be able to sign anyone else until the draft ends and I think I can get WW depth and d/k for free.

Is this smart/ethical? Nobody ever did this in our league


Grab what you can... But at the same time... Remember that if you don't have quality bench depth you pretty much lock yourself out of that championship simply because injuries happen.

[ZidaneValor]

Ethical/ strategy question guys

Auction keeper league, can only keep 3 for up to 3 years. 10 teams. Standard positions and scoring.

I have j charles, megatron, and mike wallace locked up for 45. How crazy would I be to explode and get 3 top round talents and use up all of my money on those 3 spots (qb rb flex... say vick/mendenhall/ and ray rice if possible)? I wouldn't be able to sign anyone else until the draft ends and I think I can get WW depth and d/k for free.

Is this smart/ethical? Nobody ever did this in our league

I don't see why it's unethical.

Remember, in an auction, you HAVE to keep $1 per roster spot still remaining. So if you have $20 and 8 roster spots to fill, you can't bid more than $13 (you'll have 7 spots to fill and you need $7.)

It sounds like you or your league doesn't know about this rule, but it is a mandatory auction rule.

[Srs Thread]

Boy I tell you walking into a keeper Auction as the guy with the least amount of money ($224) when there were seven other owners who had $400+ ($500 salary cap) I got pretty beat up and out spent on a lot of talent.

I also got hosed on TE's, trying to nominate gimme's for other teams that needed TE's and passed.

Ignoring salary cap for the moment, here's my final roster:

Big Ben
Matt Ryan (Threw him back in the pool instead of Paying $55 and got him back for $39!)

LeSean McCoy
L. Blount
Daniel Thomas
Reggie Bush
Ronnie Brown
CJ Spiller

Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Miles Austin

Jimmy Graham
Zach Miller :mad: (Nominated him for $1 and everyone dropped)
Kellen Winslow :mad: (Bid on him ONCE and everyone dropped)

Kaeding

San Diego (This is one of only 3 Defenses that went for under $30 in a $500 Cap!!!!) :mad:


On the bright side... I feel confident that this roster can win me a championship this year... But because so many people with big money just over paid player after player after player... That next year (Which is a major rebuilding year for me) there's going to be a really big talent pool for me to rebuild from...


And at least I got all my handcuffs.

Gjdm. Looks like a championship roster.

[Borla118]

who do you guys think i should drop for a kicker? 2RB, 2WR, Flex

RB: Foster, Hillis, Ingram, Best, LT, Tate
WR: Vjax, Britt, Moss, Thomas, ford(ReTD are 6pts)

LT or Ford are my first thoughts. Since I have a lot of questionable RB's, I'm leaning even more towards Ford.

[Vindicate]

alright, 12 team keeper league 0.25 ppr

i kepts Rodgers and Finley

should i pick Jennings or Fitzgerald?

it can end up being a Brady/Moss combo from years past, or bust (but i dont think GB will bust)

[ZidaneValor]

alright, 12 team keeper league 0.25 ppr

i kepts Rodgers and Finley

should i pick Jennings or Fitzgerald?

it can end up being a Brady/Moss combo from years past, or bust (but i dont think GB will bust)

Fitzgerald and it's not even close.

[PotKettleBlack]

Got the fantasy draft for my main league tomorrow night. Going into the third year, everyone is a lot better than when it started. Feeling like my edge is slipping. Not really sure what to expect, it's got an offensive flex position, so basically it's a 2QB league, none of the mocks I've done have left me feeling at all prepared for it.

[ZidaneValor]

Got the fantasy draft for my main league tomorrow night. Going into the third year, everyone is a lot better than when it started. Feeling like my edge is slipping. Not really sure what to expect, it's got an offensive flex position, so basically it's a 2QB league, none of the mocks I've done have left me feeling at all prepared for it.

This is ESPN's 2 QB mock. Maybe it will help.

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=NFLDK2K11mockdraft5

[PotKettleBlack]

This is ESPN's 2 QB mock. Maybe it will help.

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=NFLDK2K11mockdraft5

Cheers bro, seen that before, only thing is it's PPR which changes everything in so far as the others go. I think I should be alright, will post my team for you all to have a look at anyway.

[mikeditka]

0.5 ppr, 12-team league, have the 7th pick....Round 1...I'm going Andre Johnson (backup is Roddy White...yes, I know, yes, I think he's that good)
Round 2...Forte (backup...undecided, likely a value RB as I'm picking WR first....but I'd take Nicks/Fitz/Johnson if they are there)
Round 3 pray for McFadden, look at QB's
Round 4...is 4.07 too early for Finley...I ALWAYS WAIT on QB and TE....was thinking of bucking the trend and gambling that Finley is amazing
Round 5-10: RB's and WR's

Any thoughts, concerns, tips for measly reps is greatly appreciated....draft in 2 hours...

[Vindicate]

Fitzgerald and it's not even close.

how is that not even close?

[mikeditka]

how is that not even close?

I agree with him dude....Fitz.

Finley is back and I think that cuts into Jennings' numbers. I know Sharon Rodgers and the Fudgepackers have a legit offense. But, Fitz is gonna get his.

I'd go Fitz as well.

[ZidaneValor]

how is that not even close?

Fitzgerald is a Top-3 WR. Jennings is just outside the Top-10 (probably 11-13).

[The_Albatross]

Fitzgerald is a Top-3 WR. Jennings is just outside the Top-10 (probably 11-13).

please list your top 15 WRs

will rep

[Vindicate]

I agree with him dude....Fitz.

Finley is back and I think that cuts into Jennings' numbers. I know Sharon Rodgers and the Fudgepackers have a legit offense. But, Fitz is gonna get his.

I'd go Fitz as well.


Fitzgerald is a Top-3 WR. Jennings is just outside the Top-10 (probably 11-13).

i was just thinking combo of finley and jennings from rodgers. also jennings got 40 more fantasy pts than Fitz last year, but Fitz did have **** for QB's.

hmm, 2 for Fitz and no for Jennings

[mikeditka]

i was just thinking combo of finley and jennings from rodgers. also jennings got 40 more fantasy pts than Fitz last year, but Fitz did have **** for QB's.

hmm, 2 for Fitz and no for Jennings
The LAST THING I would want to do is waste high picks on a WR and TE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!! youredoingitwrongman....srs

FYI---I don't really "like" or "dis-like" any players....only draft VALUE. Also, take a gamble or two (so I guess I "like" a couple.)

But, DO NOT load up your top picks with guys on the same team.....trust me.

[mikeditka]

0.5 ppr, 12-team league, have the 7th pick....Round 1...I'm going Andre Johnson (backup is Roddy White...yes, I know, yes, I think he's that good)
Round 2...Forte (backup...undecided, likely a value RB as I'm picking WR first....but I'd take Nicks/Fitz/Johnson if they are there)
Round 3 pray for McFadden, look at QB's
Round 4...is 4.07 too early for Finley...I ALWAYS WAIT on QB and TE....was thinking of bucking the trend and gambling that Finley is amazing
Round 5-10: RB's and WR's

Any thoughts, concerns, tips for measly reps is greatly appreciated....draft in 2 hours...

C'mon MISC...I lied the draft is at 9pm. Help a brotha out

[Mark004]

should i trade joseph addai for mike thomas in a .5ppr league?

[UAGreg]

My Matthew Stafford and Jimmy Graham picks are looking genius right now...

[rsk721]

3rd pick CJ2K, Ray Rice or Jamaal Charles?

[Future24]

Reps for advice on my team and rating it. 10 person team on yahoo, 6 pts for QB tds, .5 ppr. Everything else pretty standard.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2w3vyxi.jpg

[Jayarbie]

3rd pick CJ2K, Ray Rice or Jamaal Charles?

I'd go Rice, but you can make a case for any of the three.

[Zabooni]

Reps for advice on my team and rating it. 10 person team on yahoo, 6 pts for QB tds, .5 ppr. Everything else pretty standard.



Very solid squat in my opinion. No reps needed, but your RBs are just about as good as it gets, and definitely should give you an edge over most teams. Looking at your WRs, Nicks should give you great production and end the season with top 5ish numbers. Mike Williams should be a good #2 guy, I can see him putting up numbers like 70 recs, 1000 yards, and 8 TDs. Harvin could be great, or could give you headaches throughout the season. I like him as a #3WR because those are the kinds of numbers I see him putting up. However, he is immensely talented so there is lots of upside there.

QB and TE are both solid.

Your bench has some decent guys, I like Ryan Matthews and Sanders. Not a huge fan of the extra defense, Sproles, or Roberts. I'd drop those guys and hunt the waivers for high upside guys. See if guys like Ben Tate or Helu are still available, otherwise very solid team! Hopefully you should be competing for hardware this season.

[HeAdAcHeS]

Drop S. Smith (car) for Earl Bennett? Don't trust any of Car receivers and Bennett has been a solid target for Chi thus far

[Zabooni]

Drop S. Smith (car) for Earl Bennett? Don't trust any of Car receivers and Bennett has been a solid target for Chi thus far

Personally I wouldn't. I think Bennett is a good receiver but personally I can't really see him producing numbers worth starting in fantasy. Smith may very well not produce any better, at least his ceiling is much higher as we've seen what is is capable of in the past.

[DoiEvenLift]

Just found out I'm drafting 4th/10 in my main league today. This is what I drafted in a mock today from that position, how does it look?

QB Matt Ryan
RB Ray Rice
RB Darren McFadden
RB/WR Felix Jones
WR Mike Wallace
WR Mike Williams
TE Jermichael Finley
D/ST Saints
K Mason Crosby

B Brandon Jacobs
B Reggie Bush
B Ricky Williams
B Julio Jones
B Robert Meachem
B Greg Little
B Sam Bradford


Also trying to work on my draft strategy. I'm targetting Ray Rice at 4th overall, and in the 3rd round I'm aiming for VJax or Mike Wallace. Judging by the way people in the league pick, these are my targets for the 17th pick

Calvin Johnson
Darren McFadden
Larry Fitzgerald
Hakeem Nicks

That's the order that I have them in at the moment. Any thoughts on DMC vs each of the receivers there and which you'd rather take in the second? If I end up going RB WR WR in the first 3, I target 2 backs like Felix Jones, Blount, and Greene in the 4th/5th rounds to use at my RB2 and Flex spots.

[dirtdickens]

If its PPR then I would certainly target the guys you listed for the 17th pick. If non ppr then the roster you posted would be pretty tough.


Just found out I'm drafting 4th/10 in my main league today. This is what I
drafted in a mock today from that position, how does it look?

QB Matt Ryan
RB Ray Rice
RB Darren McFadden
RB/WR Felix Jones
WR Mike Wallace
WR Mike Williams
TE Jermichael Finley
D/ST Saints
K Mason Crosby

B Brandon Jacobs
B Reggie Bush
B Ricky Williams
B Julio Jones
B Robert Meachem
B Greg Little
B Sam Bradford


Also trying to work on my draft strategy. I'm targetting Ray Rice at 4th overall, and in the 3rd round I'm aiming for VJax or Mike Wallace. Judging by the way people in the league pick, these are my targets for the 17th pick

Calvin Johnson
Darren McFadden
Larry Fitzgerald
Hakeem Nicks

That's the order that I have them in at the moment. Any thoughts on DMC vs each of the receivers there and which you'd rather take in the second? If I end up going RB WR WR in the first 3, I target 2 backs like Felix Jones, Blount, and Greene in the 4th/5th rounds to use at my RB2 and Flex spots.

[dirtdickens]

Had my annual draft yesterday 1ppr 1/40passing, 1/10 rush/receiving all tds/6

QB Matt Ryan
RB Ray Rice
RB Matt Forte
WR VJax
WR Brandon Marshall

TE Pettigrew
WR/TE Mike Thomas
WR/RB Reggie Bush
K
DEF-ARI-they play CAR week 1
ID P-McClain, Earl Thomas and Curtis Lofton
bench-Meachem, James Starks, Javon Ringer, Jerome Harrison, Big Ben, Berrien, Hines Ward

[Nainoa]

So in both my leagues I have:

Big Ben
Blount
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson

In one league I'm working on a negotiation for the bears...

In that league I have 3 TE's ($500 cap)

Jimmy Graham $7
Kellen Winslow $15
Zach Miller $1


I ended up with SD defense in my money league for $9... There's a guy who's "Possibly" interested in trading me Winslow for the Bears D @ $13... But if it's gonna happen I'll need to push a little... What do you guys think?

[Harganoff]

Had my annual draft yesterday 1ppr 1/40passing, 1/10 rush/receiving all tds/6

QB Matt Ryan
RB Ray Rice
RB Matt Forte
WR VJax
WR Brandon Marshall

TE Pettigrew
WR/TE Mike Thomas
WR/RB Reggie Bush
K
DEF-ARI-they play CAR week 1
ID P-McClain, Earl Thomas and Curtis Lofton
bench-Meachem, James Starks, Javon Ringer, Jerome Harrison, Big Ben, Berrien, Hines Ward

wow that team is murderous in PPR..

how many teams are in your league?

[DL Addict]

So in both my leagues I have:

Big Ben
Blount
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson

In one league I'm working on a negotiation for the bears...

In that league I have 3 TE's ($500 cap)

Jimmy Graham $7
Kellen Winslow $15
Zach Miller $1


I ended up with SD defense in my money league for $9... There's a guy who's "Possibly" interested in trading me Winslow for the Bears D @ $13... But if it's gonna happen I'll need to push a little... What do you guys think?


I really like Graham this year, so I would pull the trigger if you want the Bears D. Miller is serviceable in Graham's week 11 bye, or pick up a hot hand when the time comes.

[jay197]

10 team league, standard scoring non PPR


QB: Matt Ryan
RB: Arian Foster, Steven Jackson, Mark Ingram, Brandon Jacobs, Joseph Addai
WR: Calvin J., Santonio Holmes, Brandon lloyd, Austin Collie, Greg little, Arrelius Benn
TE: Jimmy Graham
K Mason Crosby
D Giants

im kind of regretting steven jackson and brandon lloyd but will see

[Nainoa]

I really like Graham this year, so I would pull the trigger if you want the Bears D. Miller is serviceable in Graham's week 11 bye, or pick up a hot hand when the time comes.


That's what I was thinking...

Amendola is still sitting out there too...

There was one guy in the draft who kept bending people over running up the salary on RB's... Guy left the draft with 9 of them and no TE... The best TE available is Dustin Keller... But he's convinced that I or someone else is going to drop a TE for him to grab.

After the prick moves he pulled on me in the draft, the last thing I want to do is drop a TE that helps him out for Amendola.

So I'm debating doing the Bears Deal, then dropping SD defense to make room for Amendola to start the Bears... And letting the dickbag guy squirm with Dustin Keller!

[dirtdickens]

wow that team is murderous in PPR..

how many teams are in your league?12, but its an IDP draft so people like Pat Willis are 12 a game every game and they are drafted in like the 8th round. I didnt get guys I personally like to watch, but its bidness, which kinda sucks. Missed out on Britt, Benson and Ingram which were all taken right before my Mike Thomas pick.

[CR123]

Had my draft last night. I was 1st pick, 10 teams PPR standard scoring 1/10 recving/rushing, 1/25 passing/ all TDs 6

What do you think, any holes? I'm thinking RB is a little weak, Peterson is great, Bradshaw could lose touchs to Jacobs on the goal line, I hope Thomas has a good rookie year. Reps for help or good input?

Have to start QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, D, K (never played a 3 wr just a flex option)

QB- Brees
RB- Peterson, Bradshaw
WR- Jennings, Colston, Burress
TE- Jermicharel FInley
D- Bears
K - Josh Brown

Bench
RB- Addai, Tolbert, Thomas rookie Mia
WR- Rice, Branch, Garcon
TE- Shiancoe
Giants D

[dirtdickens]

That's what I was thinking...
So I'm debating doing the Bears Deal, then dropping SD defense to make room for Amendola to start the Bears... And letting the dickbag guy squirm with Dustin Keller!
Just drop Zack Miller and let him deal with that mess. Carroll never uses TEs and whatever they do get will be split between Miller and Carlson.
I hate Winslow and I am not sold on Graham yet(wasnt haing a good camp) but those two could patoon very well.

[DL Addict]

That's what I was thinking...

Amendola is still sitting out there too...

There was one guy in the draft who kept bending people over running up the salary on RB's... Guy left the draft with 9 of them and no TE... The best TE available is Dustin Keller... But he's convinced that I or someone else is going to drop a TE for him to grab.

After the prick moves he pulled on me in the draft, the last thing I want to do is drop a TE that helps him out for Amendola.

So I'm debating doing the Bears Deal, then dropping SD defense to make room for Amendola to start the Bears... And letting the dickbag guy squirm with Dustin Keller!

There's always "that guy". We had a douche, in his 2nd year with our auction league, boasting before the draft how he was going to bid up certain players. He got stuck with 3/4 guys he was bidding up, and overpaid so he didn't have a bench. He finished last and was never heard from again. Success.jpg I'd really try for that trade, get the Bears D, and then Amendola like you said.

Updating my auction team, I worked out a trade... Ryan Fitzpatrick for Chris Johnson. CJ will only count $1.50 against my $102.50 cap. Even if he ****s the bed with this contract dispute, he doesn't cost me much this year. He would go to $14.50 next season, which is still good.

[ty247]

That's what I was thinking...

Amendola is still sitting out there too...

There was one guy in the draft who kept bending people over running up the salary on RB's... Guy left the draft with 9 of them and no TE... The best TE available is Dustin Keller... But he's convinced that I or someone else is going to drop a TE for him to grab.

After the prick moves he pulled on me in the draft, the last thing I want to do is drop a TE that helps him out for Amendola.

So I'm debating doing the Bears Deal, then dropping SD defense to make room for Amendola to start the Bears... And letting the dickbag guy squirm with Dustin Keller!

What are the starting league requirements players wise? Is TE the only spot he hasn't filled? Does he have any salary cap space left?

[Nainoa]

There's always "that guy". We had a douche, in his 2nd year with our auction league, boasting before the draft how he was going to bid up certain players. He got stuck with 3/4 guys he was bidding up, and overpaid so he didn't have a bench. He finished last and was never heard from again. Success.jpg I'd really try for that trade, get the Bears D, and then Amendola like you said.

Updating my auction team, I worked out a trade... Ryan Fitzpatrick for Chris Johnson. CJ will only count $1.50 against my $102.50 cap. Even if he ****s the bed with this contract dispute, he doesn't cost me much this year. He would go to $14.50 next season, which is still good.


Nice move on CJ...


Yeah this guy is the newest to our league... I played with him years ago in 2 leagues... One where I was commish and one where he was co-Commish... The guy was straight CROOKED... Always had something shady going on.

Eventually all but 4 people quit that league because of it... Then this guy started a league all his own, each year with those 4 remaining guys (His closest friends in life) and a bunch of Retarded Pigeons.

He always wanted to get into my league, but I wouldn't let him... (I'm the kind of guy where integrity matters!) An opening popped up, and my Co-Comish at that time decided to bounce, and "Sold" Mr. Crooked his old team. (Something I was "Informed of" after the fact.)

Mr. Crooked convinced me that we're all older now and his bad reputation was over blown.


So I gave him a chance last year... And much like TO in Buffalo he was good the first year.

But now all of a sudden I show up to this draft... And he's been talking to other people about rule changes we should consider (To a league that is now in it's 10th year!) And he's got 4 out of 10 in my league pre-convinced of these rule changes which (Unsurprisingly) are to the benefit of his playing style.

Which he SUCKS at the draft... Then improves his team by making drunk trades with people at the bar and putting in a dozen late night add-drops.


So I'm starting to get a little twinge of fear that there's some bad behavior coming.

[Nainoa]

What are the starting league requirements players wise? Is TE the only spot he hasn't filled? Does he have any salary cap space left?

QB
2RB
2WR
1TE
1K
1D

Guy has cap space to manage any dropped TE...

We are voting on some waiver system rules and he already tried to bi-pass them and put in an add (Keller) Drop (Cutler) claiming "As long as we're waiting I just wanted to put this in."

In the new rule he'd be 5th!

[weezyjaunt]

had my draft saturday night, 10 teams, 1 pt/25 yds passing/4 pts passing TD, 1 pt/10 yds receiving/rushing and 6 pt receiving/rushing TD - no PPR. 1 QB, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 TE, 1 flex, 1 def

QB - Ben
RB - Charles (keeper), Gore, R. Mathews, Ingram, Brandon Jacobs, Jerome Harrison, Jamie Harper
WR - Mike Wallace (keeper), Fitz, Reggie Wayne, James Jones, Jacoby Ford
TE - Olsen

Didn't draft a defense because Harper was still there in the very last round, figured I would grab him in case the titans/CJ situation gets really messy...I figure he may have a little trade value then. When/if CJ signs I am going to drop Harper and grab a defense, I will probably look to stream them every few weeks or so

I like my receivers a lot, my backs have upside but there is no one I feel great about...even Charles with all his talent is likely to be annoying because of haley. If I can have mathews and/or ingram step up I will feel good though, I have been reading good things about mathews the last few weeks. I am sure I will get anywhere from 10-13 good games out of gore

I was targeting guys like hightower, felix jones, jahvid best, reggie bush, etc in the mid rounds and they all went 1-3 rounds earlier than I anticipated - I guess I should have seen that coming with keepers and all the hype those guys have gotten. I do like getting harrison though because I feel he can be big time if/when jahvid best misses games

[supersexystud]

YO YO YO

I got stuck in some $10 18 man league and it is not PPR. I was the 8th pick and took Ray Rice with my first draft.

Some interesting picks made by my stupid league:

2nd pick: Michael Vick
4th pick: Tom Brady
5th pick: Aaron Rodgers
7th pick: Drew Breese
Jamal Charles fell to #9
13th pick: Tony Romo
24th pick: Felix Jones


My team: Starters (Bench)

QB: Kyle Orton (Beck)
RB: Ray Rice, Ben Jarvis Green Elis (Snelling)
WR:Jennings, Harvin (Eddie Royal)
TE: Antonio Gates
WR/RB:Plaxico
Def: Jets (Texans)
K: Gostkowski


How do you think I did, and I see the obvious lack of RB depth but any other recommendations?

[ty247]

QB
2RB
2WR
1TE
1K
1D

Guy has cap space to manage any dropped TE...

We are voting on some waiver system rules and he already tried to bi-pass them and put in an add (Keller) Drop (Cutler) claiming "As long as we're waiting I just wanted to put this in."

In the new rule he'd be 5th!

I don't mind if people want to bid up players, that's a viable strategy that can be counter acted by nominating overvalued players, hype players etc.. and let him use up his roster spots and all his salary on those guys, but your whole league has to pick up on it and start that trend/run.

It's a risky thing to do, bidding up players, because you can be stuck with players you don't want/need, you can throw your salary breakdowns out of whack, and if your opponents stick to their strict player values they've set, you can overpay yourself. In my most recent draft, I noticed a guy had a lot of salary left and was running out of roster spots, so I would watch for players he would bid on a few times and mark them up on him, so that I would have available salary over him for when players I wanted came around.

What I DO have a problem with, is when agreed upon rules are already settled or perhaps still in the process of being agreed upon, as in your case, and someone tries to pull one over or push something through. I'm also not a fan of the guy that bids up players only to drop them immediately after the draft (like with Cutler there). That kind of stuff should be an unwritten rule, no-no..

And I would definitely be putting word out there, that perhaps Keller may have a breakout year and that someone should pick him up on waivers.. let the new guy trot out someone that'll put up Oh's for him

[PotKettleBlack]

Been doing a few more mocks today and I'm a little more comfortable in my strategy for tonight. Pretty pumped for it now. I won the league in its first year, mainly thanks to this thread, but lost in the bowl last year, so it's time to reclaim that title!

Apologies about only posting about this the last few posts I've made, but I'm pretty caught up in it...

[Srs Thread]

10 man. Standard scoring. 3 keepers optional at 110% of the prior years contract. I went in with about 15-20 people targeted and i didnt get a single one of them lol.

QB- Vick 56
RB- Jamaal Charles 17 (keeper)
RB- Maurice Jones-Drew 35
WR- Megatron 20 (keeper)
WR Mike Wallace 7 (keeper)
FLEX Peyton Hillis (via trade for Larry Fitzgerald)
TE Vernon Davis 8
D Detriot 1
K Mason Crosby 1
BN Daniel Thomas 1
BN Rashard Jennings 1
BN Tony Romo 11
BN Malcolm Floyd 1
BN Steve Smith (Car) 2
BN Ryan Grant 4

What do you think?

[ty247]

10 man. Standard scoring. 3 keepers optional at 110% of the prior years contract. I went in with about 15-20 people targeted and i didnt get a single one of them lol.

QB- Vick 56
RB- Jamaal Charles 17 (keeper)
RB- Maurice Jones-Drew 35
WR- Megatron 20 (keeper)
WR Mike Wallace 7 (keeper)
FLEX Peyton Hillis (via trade for Larry Fitzgerald)
TE Vernon Davis 8
D Detriot 1
K Mason Crosby 1
BN Daniel Thomas 1
BN Rashard Jennings 1
BN Tony Romo 11
BN Malcolm Floyd 1
BN Steve Smith (Car) 2
BN Ryan Grant 4

What do you think?

I'll assume standard 200 dollar auction.

First off, great keepers and value for those keepers.

On to the draft, Vernon Davis at 8 is a steal. Can you clarify the Hillis for Fitz trade? Is there a salary cap number on him?

Vick at 56 is wow high, but if that's the going rate for your leagues top QB's..

[JakeDub]

antonio brown anyone?

[Nainoa]

I don't mind if people want to bid up players, that's a viable strategy that can be counter acted by nominating overvalued players, hype players etc.. and let him use up his roster spots and all his salary on those guys, but your whole league has to pick up on it and start that trend/run.

It's a risky thing to do, bidding up players, because you can be stuck with players you don't want/need, you can throw your salary breakdowns out of whack, and if your opponents stick to their strict player values they've set, you can overpay yourself. In my most recent draft, I noticed a guy had a lot of salary left and was running out of roster spots, so I would watch for players he would bid on a few times and mark them up on him, so that I would have available salary over him for when players I wanted came around.

What I DO have a problem with, is when agreed upon rules are already settled or perhaps still in the process of being agreed upon, as in your case, and someone tries to pull one over or push something through. I'm also not a fan of the guy that bids up players only to drop them immediately after the draft (like with Cutler there). That kind of stuff should be an unwritten rule, no-no..

And I would definitely be putting word out there, that perhaps Keller may have a breakout year and that someone should pick him up on waivers.. let the new guy trot out someone that'll put up Oh's for him


See I'm fine with guys bidding up... Because that's part of the process... But I smell collusion here in that he bid up every Handcuff RB in the league... To the point where he had 2 QB's (Got stuck on cutler) 3 WR, 1 Defense and the rest was all RB's...

Then he lobbies to get the Transaction rules changed in his favor, because he doesn't even have a starting lineup... Then he assumes that he's just going to get the votes needed to change the rules and starts putting in Transactions before they even open up.

Right now the vote is 2 to 4 against him...

So I think he's underestimated the "Social Capital" that comes behind my reputation and oppinion vs his.


I mean I don't want to be the benevolent despot commish... But I created this league and it's unique dynasty rule system out of my own head 10 years ago and promoted it... So I'll be damned if some sort of popularity contest bully maneuver is going to alter what is essentially my creation.


Especially when if this guy and his co-conspirator drop out... I have a waiting list with 2 guys to get in it next year!
;)

[Srs Thread]

I'll assume standard 200 dollar auction.

First off, great keepers and value for those keepers.

On to the draft, Vernon Davis at 8 is a steal. Can you clarify the Hillis for Fitz trade? Is there a salary cap number on him?

Vick at 56 is wow high, but if that's the going rate for your leagues top QB's..

Brady went for 35, Rodgers went for 55, and Brees went for like 40... so it wasnt TOO bad of a deal. I had the money to spend on 1 really high player, but the players i was targeting went crazy high on price too (mendenhall and ray rice). Since there are keepers, it inflates the prices. I kind of panicked, but i'm legitimately happy with my team. I wanted to stay away from Hillis and Mojo at all costs, and ended up trading for Hillis lol.

I got Fitz for 23 but really wanted a strong RB instead of WR at the flex position. The salary numbers were about the same... it worked in my cap. I'm not going to keep him next year anyway.

[Veras]

Sup fantasy bros,

I have a draft tonight and this will be my first ever fantasy draft, never played before. Been trying to read up as much as possible and have participated in a few mocks, but figured id ask the misc for any last minute advice/strategy... of course reps for good advice :).

Were just using ESPN's fantasy draft tool:
standard snake draft (drafting 7th)
10 teams
1 QB, 2 RB, 1 Flex, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 D/ST, 1 K and of course 7 Bench
Standard scoring no PPR

Don't have a set strategy yet but I'm leaning on 2 RB's to start off (hoping Rice will drop to me) and of course waiting to get a QB until late, looking to grab Freeman as late as possible unless someone picks him up ridiculously early.

inb4 draft a defense and kicker first...

[Nainoa]

antonio brown anyone?

As a late round flier... #4...

Sure...

But he's still going to end up behind wallace and ward... And once Emmanuel Sanders is completely back healthy the two of them will be battling it out for the coveted #3 WR in that offense.

[Criisp]

Rate my team bruhs

Head to Head and I had the 7th pick out of 10.

QB1 - Aaron Rodgers
WR1 - Vincent Jackson
WR2 - Marques Colston
WR3 - Mike Thomas
RB1 - MJD
RB2 - Shonn Greene
TE - Jimmy Graham
K - David Buehlre
Def - Dallas

Bench

Dez Bryant
Mark Ingram
Mike Sims-Walker
Tim Hightower
Kevin Kolb
Michael Crabtree

[UncertainPerson]

Personally I wouldn't. I think Bennett is a good receiver but personally I can't really see him producing numbers worth starting in fantasy. Smith may very well not produce any better, at least his ceiling is much higher as we've seen what is is capable of in the past. i think bennett is gonna put up good numbers this year (Srs). hes been pretty awesome so far in TC and preseason while other chicago receivers have struggled mightily

[YellowOnYellow]

Pretty simple question. I have Amendola/Bess/Berrian as my bench WR. I see Burleson on the FA pool. Should I drop one of my guys for Burleson so should I stay put with what I got.

Edit: Non-ppr standard espn rules.

[4thelvofthegme]

antonio brown anyone? picked him up after his moster preseaon game. ive read posts that say he will outperform ward often enough and get many catches. if he adds to that offense i will certainly keep him or maybe use him as trade bait if he stays consistent through the season

[Nainoa]

Pretty simple question. I have Amendola/Bess/Berrian as my bench WR. I see Burleson on the FA pool. Should I drop one of my guys for Burleson so should I stay put with what I got.

Edit: Non-ppr standard espn rules.

I'd kick Berrian to the Curb... Other than Harvin the Vikes offense is all random spread passes AND the vikes are now a "Run First" team.

[4thelvofthegme]

I'd kick Berrian to the Curb... Other than Harvin the Vikes offense is all random spread passes AND the vikes are now a "Run First" team. out of that group, in not sold on bess. i think with mcnabb the vikes will throw off of play action a lot, and berrian can run, so i think he will see his shots down field. bess just seems fairly inconsistent but i didnt pay much attention to him last year

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Anyone care to take a look at my draft?


10 Team Auction, .5 PPR, fairly standard besides that

QB - Stafford
WR1 - Welker
WR2 - Harvin
WR3 - Britt
RB1 - Rice
RB2 - McFadden
TE - Gates
FLEX - Hightower
DEF - Green Bay
K - none at the moment (will pick one up before the season starts)

Bench:

QB - Kolb
RB - Stewart
RB - McGahee
WR - Sims-Walker
WR - Steve Smith (CAR)
WR - Mike Thomas
TE - Marcedes Lewis


Before you ask, the only reason I have a backup TE is because I was trying to drive the price up on him and the guy called my bluff haha. I will probably cut him but I would rather trade him, so he remains on my roster for now.

I am a little iffy at WR but Welker is a PPR beast and I think Harvin will breakout as a true #1, Santana Moss had 1,100 yards with McNabb throwing to him last year and no running game. Harvin is better than Moss, and they have Adrian to sell the play action. Britt is a question mark but he's crazy talented, Hasselbeck should be able to get him the ball hopefully.


I think with PPR, I might have the best possible RB combination in Rice and McFadden.

Gates when healthy is basically like a #1 reciever in my TE slot.


I like my depth, think Sims-Walker could have another season like he had in 09 with Bradford throwing to him now. Stewart becomes a fringe top 10 back if Williams goes down. Steve Smith, McGahee, Mike Thomas are all solid depth as well.


Finally, Stafford. I think if he's healthy he will be a 4,000 yard QB. Thats a big question mark. I also have Kolb who I'm not crazy about but I got him for $1 and I think I can play the matchups with him and Stafford, unless 1 of them breaks out and forces me to make them the every week guy.

[YellowOnYellow]

out of that group, in not sold on bess. i think with mcnabb the vikes will throw off of play action a lot, and berrian can run, so i think he will see his shots down field. bess just seems fairly inconsistent but i didnt pay much attention to him last year


I'd kick Berrian to the Curb... Other than Harvin the Vikes offense is all random spread passes AND the vikes are now a "Run First" team.

I guess its not as simple as it seems. I like all 4 but I only got room for 3. I was really lending towards dropping Amendola but he might turn into wes welker lite. So now I'm more confused than ever.

[Nainoa]

out of that group, in not sold on bess. i think with mcnabb the vikes will throw off of play action a lot, and berrian can run, so i think he will see his shots down field. bess just seems fairly inconsistent but i didnt pay much attention to him last year

It would be more accurate to say that Berrian "Used" to be able to run. He's lost a step and a half... Maybe even two steps since his days catching bombs on highlight reels in Chicago.

All he does with the Vikings is run short out routes, over and over and over again...

His ceiling is limited at this point in his career.

Bess has the ability to make Yards after the Catch. And with a new run game and what looks like the emergence of a healthy (And less depressed) Brandon Marshall, he's going to have opportunities.

[Nainoa]

I guess its not as simple as it seems. I like all 4 but I only got room for 3. I was really lending towards dropping Amendola but he might turn into wes welker lite. So now I'm more confused than ever.

Amendola, IMO is the best of them, for the Welker 2.0 reasoning...

Do it comes down to Bess and Berrian...

When in doubt, I'm looking at the young guy who wants to prove himself, rather than the old guy who's already cashed his check and knows there isn't another big one coming so he's playing with Aligator arms to just prolong his career, before he's forced to buy a second rate sports bar and attach his name to a chicken wings recipe.
;)

[Jayarbie]

Pretty simple question. I have Amendola/Bess/Berrian as my bench WR. I see Burleson on the FA pool. Should I drop one of my guys for Burleson so should I stay put with what I got.

Edit: Non-ppr standard espn rules.

Quite frankly, in non-PPR, I'd take Burleson over any of those three guys. If I had to pick one to drop, it'd be Berrian. Burleson has looked real good this preseason.

[YellowOnYellow]

It would be more accurate to say that Berrian "Used" to be able to run. He's lost a step and a half... Maybe even two steps since his days catching bombs on highlight reels in Chicago.

All he does with the Vikings is run short out routes, over and over and over again...

His ceiling is limited at this point in his career.

Bess has the ability to make Yards after the Catch. And with a new run game and what looks like the emergence of a healthy (And less depressed) Brandon Marshall, he's going to have opportunities.
Do you not like what he's down in the preseason? Granted its preseason. The long bomb he caught against the cowboys was pretty amazing. Not a chance he continues to do this all season long? I'm not a vikings fan so I don't keep up with them and I see your from MN so that's why I ask.

[Jayarbie]

picked him up after his moster preseaon game. ive read posts that say he will outperform ward often enough and get many catches. if he adds to that offense i will certainly keep him or maybe use him as trade bait if he stays consistent through the season

In non-PPR, Brown is a good value pick as a late round flier, if you have a deep league. He will get a lot of looks deep as defenses roll coverages towards Wallace's side of the field,a nd if he establishes himself as a legitimate threat before Sanders is 100% healthy, he could be the Wallace type home run hitter 3rd receiver this year.

[Jayarbie]

Do you not like what he's down in the preseason? Granted its preseason. The long bomb he caught against the cowboys was pretty amazing. Not a chance he continues to do this all season long? I'm not a vikings fan so I don't keep up with them and I see your from MN so that's why I ask.

There's a chance, but I'm with Nainoa on this one. Berrian is too inconsistent to be a legit fantasy option, IMO. It's something to keep an eye on, at least.

[4thelvofthegme]

In non-PPR, Brown is a good value pick as a late round flier, if you have a deep league. He will get a lot of looks deep as defenses roll coverages towards Wallace's side of the field,a nd if he establishes himself as a legitimate threat before Sanders is 100% healthy, he could be the Wallace type home run hitter 3rd receiver this year. thats what im hoping for. the guy that had sanders dropped him, so hes out there too. in a 14 man league, i think his upside is worth hanging onto right now

[4thelvofthegme]

It would be more accurate to say that Berrian "Used" to be able to run. He's lost a step and a half... Maybe even two steps since his days catching bombs on highlight reels in Chicago.

All he does with the Vikings is run short out routes, over and over and over again...

His ceiling is limited at this point in his career.

Bess has the ability to make Yards after the Catch. And with a new run game and what looks like the emergence of a healthy (And less depressed) Brandon Marshall, he's going to have opportunities. that makes sense too. i think bess could be the more consistent option, but with the new offense in minn i could see berrian having some upside this season

also to note, who knows what miamis offense is going to look like this year. there running game hasnt looked all that strong, so they may be passing more this season

[Nainoa]

Do you not like what he's down in the preseason? Granted its preseason. The long bomb he caught against the cowboys was pretty amazing. Not a chance he continues to do this all season long? I'm not a vikings fan so I don't keep up with them and I see your from MN so that's why I ask.

I believe the play you're talking about was the where a second string Dallas DB mis read the play and got burned?

Until regular season games start happening and MAYBE something shows itself... I have to say that the only vikings WR I'd draft is Harvin...

When Shaincoe gets healthy he might be one of those sleepers who recaptures some of his former production... IF healthy he has the potential to put up 75% of what he did in 09.

[YellowOnYellow]

I believe the play you're talking about was the where a second string Dallas DB mis read the play and got burned?

Until regular season games start happening and MAYBE something shows itself... I have to say that the only vikings WR I'd draft is Harvin...

When Shaincoe gets healthy he might be one of those sleepers who recaptures some of his former production... IF healthy he has the potential to put up 75% of what he did in 09.

Ok gotcha. Looks like berrians getting the curb for now. Reppin everyone that helped. Thanks all.

[Future24]

Reps for advice on my team and rating it. 10 person team on yahoo, 6 pts for QB tds, .5 ppr. Everything else pretty standard.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2w3vyxi.jpg


Bumping this.



Very solid squat in my opinion. No reps needed, but your RBs are just about as good as it gets, and definitely should give you an edge over most teams. Looking at your WRs, Nicks should give you great production and end the season with top 5ish numbers. Mike Williams should be a good #2 guy, I can see him putting up numbers like 70 recs, 1000 yards, and 8 TDs. Harvin could be great, or could give you headaches throughout the season. I like him as a #3WR because those are the kinds of numbers I see him putting up. However, he is immensely talented so there is lots of upside there.

QB and TE are both solid.

Your bench has some decent guys, I like Ryan Matthews and Sanders. Not a huge fan of the extra defense, Sproles, or Roberts. I'd drop those guys and hunt the waivers for high upside guys. See if guys like Ben Tate or Helu are still available, otherwise very solid team! Hopefully you should be competing for hardware this season.

I heard Roberts should be good this year since he's opposite of Fitz, but I also heard their going to rotate a lot. I picked ATL up to rotate my defenses and when the Chargers have a bye...ATL players carolina.

[NoS_oUtLaSt]

just dropped Amendola for Antonio Brown. Solid idea? non ppr btw

FWIW my starting WRs are Colston and Mike Wallace and now I got Santonio Holmes and Antonio Brown on the bench.

[hansenm2]

Drafted about a week ago, 14 man league, .5ppr 1qb 2rb 2wr 1flex 1te 1def 1k

I picked 11th in a snake format, and there were really no rbs I wanted at any of my first three picks

qb- Flacco
rb1-Ryan Grant
rb2- Green-Ellis
wr1-andre johnson
wr2-nicks
flex- desean jackson
te- greg olson

bench:
Pierre Thomas
Sims Walker
Jason Snelling
Chris Cooley
Earl Bennett
Sam Bradford
Mike Goodson

Weak RB's obviously, trying to unload Desean for a RB. What do you guys think?

[ZidaneValor]

just dropped Amendola for Antonio Brown. Solid idea? non ppr btw

FWIW my starting WRs are Colston and Mike Wallace and now I got Santonio Holmes and Antonio Brown on the bench.

I don't like it. You dropped the Rams' #1 for the Steeler's #3 at best.

[PotKettleBlack]

Well, we finally drafted, and I got absolutely run ragged at QB, they were flying off the board, and I decided to wait on Matt Ryan, who went a couple of picks before I wanted, so I'm in a little hole straight out of the gate. Since it's got the offensive flex, and obviously scoring systems are fairly favourable to QBs, it's essentially a 2 QB league, anyway, see what you think. Stocked up in a couple of other positions to hopefully alleviate a bit of the concern, and have some potential tradebait. Here goes:

QB - Cutler
RB - Charles, DMC, Felix Jones, Ryan Grant, Jason Snelling, Javon Ringer, Jerome Harrison
WR - Jennings, DeSean Jackson, Steve Johnson, Manningham, Harvin
TE - Jared Cook
D/ST - Cowboys
K - Gostkowski

Thoughts?

[NoS_oUtLaSt]

I don't like it. You dropped the Rams' #1 for the Steeler's #3 at best.

Thanks for the honest opinion. I dunno I'm still in the air though. Last year as their number one he had 85 catches for 689 yards. while its a lot of catches due to it not being PPR it really isn't that many points. I mean obviously Wallace and Colston are going to be every week starts so i'm thinking Brown's upside surpasses Amendolas upside.

[YellowOnYellow]

Well, we finally drafted, and I got absolutely run ragged at QB, they were flying off the board, and I decided to wait on Matt Ryan, who went a couple of picks before I wanted, so I'm in a little hole straight out of the gate. Since it's got the offensive flex, and obviously scoring systems are fairly favourable to QBs, it's essentially a 2 QB league, anyway, see what you think. Stocked up in a couple of other positions to hopefully alleviate a bit of the concern, and have some potential tradebait. Here goes:

QB - Cutler
RB - Charles, DMC, Felix Jones, Ryan Grant, Jason Snelling, Javon Ringer, Jerome Harrison
WR - Jennings, DeSean Jackson, Steve Johnson, Manningham, Harvin
TE - Jared Cook
D/ST - Cowboys
K - Gostkowski

Thoughts?

I'm guessing this is a 10 man league? Very deep in the RB/WR. I would try and pack one of the 3 handcuffs and WR together to see if you could pull a top tier qb. Someone with low stocks such as peyton manning. Again you know your qb is really spotty from this draft so you should address that first. I picked up Cook as my back-up TE since he's a very good sleeper candidate. Could be Gates-lite. Overall a good draft with lots of potential.

[The_Albatross]

in a .5 ppr league, in what order would you rank these players?

Adrian Peterson
Maurice Jones Drew
Frank Gore
Matt Forte
Andre Johnson
Roddy White
Calvin Johnson
Steven Jackson
Greg Jennings
Larry Fitzgerald
Reggie Wayne
Jahvid Best


This is for a keeper league with 9 of the top 15 ranked RBs and 6 of the top 15 ranked WRs being kept, so this is the watered down list of players I'm predicting to be taken in the first round. Ideally some QBs will also get taken, which would be nice since I already have mine.

Will rep.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

in a .5 ppr league, in what order would you rank these players?

Adrian Peterson
Maurice Jones Drew
Frank Gore
Matt Forte
Andre Johnson
Roddy White
Calvin Johnson
Steven Jackson
Greg Jennings
Larry Fitzgerald
Reggie Wayne
Jahvid Best


This is for a keeper league with 9 of the top 15 ranked RBs and 6 of the top 15 ranked WRs being kept, so this is the watered down list of players I'm predicting to be taken in the first round. Ideally some QBs will also get taken, which would be nice since I already have mine.


RB's:

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Frank Gore
3. MJD
4. Forte
5. Stephen Jackson
6. Best


WR's:

1. Andre Johnson
2. Roddy White
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Greg Jennings
6. Reggie Wayne

[Nainoa]

just dropped Amendola for Antonio Brown. Solid idea? non ppr btw

FWIW my starting WRs are Colston and Mike Wallace and now I got Santonio Holmes and Antonio Brown on the bench.

I'd stick with Amendola... You shouldn't let a pre-season highlight have that much weight...

[The_Albatross]

RB's:

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Frank Gore
3. MJD
4. Forte
5. Stephen Jackson
6. Best


WR's:

1. Andre Johnson
2. Roddy White
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Greg Jennings
6. Reggie Wayne

What order would you draft them in though, regardless of position?

[PotKettleBlack]

I'm guessing this is a 10 man league? Very deep in the RB/WR. I would try and pack one of the 3 handcuffs and WR together to see if you could pull a top tier qb. Someone with low stocks such as peyton manning. Again you know your qb is really spotty from this draft so you should address that first. I picked up Cook as my back-up TE since he's a very good sleeper candidate. Could be Gates-lite. Overall a good draft with lots of potential.

Yeah, 10 man. I knew I was gonna be poor at QB, so I stocked up as I said, so we'll see. I'm looking to get involved with a QB straight away, already looking through rosters, to assess a trade, need to just open the communication lines up since there is plenty of time before the season. Plus, if CJ does hold out, I have Ringer, and I can already envisage the desperate trade offers.

Cook was one of my sleepers at TE. Had targeted Jimmy Graham, since I waited really late on a TE, as Gates and the other usual suspects went way too early, but Graham got snapped up, so just continued stocking up on RB/WR and took Cook super-late.

[saaltydog]

What order would you draft them in though, regardless of position?


1. Adrian Peterson
2. Andre Johnson
3. Calvin Johnson
4. Larry Fitzgerald
5. Roddy White
6. MJD
7. Forte
8. Gore
9. Steven Jackson
11. Best
12. Greg Jennings
13. Wayne

Just my opinion though.

[iron_m!ke]

What do you think about this team.... 12 team league.. 260$ buy-in 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 WR/RB, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF

by round.. 3rd overall


Ray Rice
Larry Fitz
Matt Forte
Dwayne Bowe
Peyton Manning
Santonio Holmes
Cedric Benson
Santana Moss
Big Ben
Marcedes Lewis
Gostkowski (k)
Saints (DEF)


I hate my TE and DEF

Should I pick up any of these for my bench (more notable free agents).. I have room for 5 Bench spots


Mike Tolbert
McGahee
LT

Hernandez
Cooley
Heap
Olsen

Lions
49ers
Rams

Burleson

[PotKettleBlack]

Should I pick up any of these for my bench (more notable free agents).. I have room for 5 Bench spots


Mike Tolbert
McGahee
LT

Hernandez
Cooley
Heap
Olsen

Lions
49ers
Rams

Burleson

Your team looks fairly solid to me. Love the RBs' pass-catching upside too. I'd probably look at Olsen, think he's a really good candidate to have a decent fantasy year, I'd also take a look at Jared Cook, (admittedly I'm super high on him) if he's an available free-agent at TE. As far as D/STs go, I wouldn't worry about not having a "top" D, going with plug and play Ds based on matchups has always done me just fine, since you can find a favourable matchup from a free agent D almost every week.

Tolbert is probably worth stashing for the Ryan Mathews injury risk if you have space. Although I wouldn't necessarily drop anyone you have right now for him.

[ZidaneValor]

Mike Tolbert

If Tolbert is still a free agent in a 12-team league, that is a must pickup.

I drafted the Saints defense too, but I dropped them because (a) Matt Stafford was still available somehow and (b) the Saints play Green Bay Week 1. I would pick up the 49ers to play at home against Seattle's sieve offensive line, and then matchup from there.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

What order would you draft them in though, regardless of position?


For me it would depend on who's already come off the board, and who you have on your team at the time.

I believe you should draft talent above need, but if you have 2 players of equal talent at different positions, I would look at which position I need to fill more.


If I'm putting them in order, its probably like this:


AP
Andre Johnson
Frank Gore
Roddy
Fitzgerald
MJD
Calvin
Forte
Jennings
Jackson
Wayne
Best

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Anyone care to take a look at my draft?


10 Team Auction, .5 PPR, fairly standard besides that

QB - Stafford
WR1 - Welker
WR2 - Harvin
WR3 - Britt
RB1 - Rice
RB2 - McFadden
TE - Gates
FLEX - Hightower
DEF - Green Bay
K - none at the moment (will pick one up before the season starts)

Bench:

QB - Kolb
RB - Stewart
RB - McGahee
WR - Sims-Walker
WR - Steve Smith (CAR)
WR - Mike Thomas
TE - Marcedes Lewis


Before you ask, the only reason I have a backup TE is because I was trying to drive the price up on him and the guy called my bluff haha. I will probably cut him but I would rather trade him, so he remains on my roster for now.

I am a little iffy at WR but Welker is a PPR beast and I think Harvin will breakout as a true #1, Santana Moss had 1,100 yards with McNabb throwing to him last year and no running game. Harvin is better than Moss, and they have Adrian to sell the play action. Britt is a question mark but he's crazy talented, Hasselbeck should be able to get him the ball hopefully.


I think with PPR, I might have the best possible RB combination in Rice and McFadden.

Gates when healthy is basically like a #1 reciever in my TE slot.


I like my depth, think Sims-Walker could have another season like he had in 09 with Bradford throwing to him now. Stewart becomes a fringe top 10 back if Williams goes down. Steve Smith, McGahee, Mike Thomas are all solid depth as well.


Finally, Stafford. I think if he's healthy he will be a 4,000 yard QB. Thats a big question mark. I also have Kolb who I'm not crazy about but I got him for $1 and I think I can play the matchups with him and Stafford, unless 1 of them breaks out and forces me to make them the every week guy.


Can I get some comments on this draft, brahs?

[YellowOnYellow]

Can I get some comments on this draft, brahs?

Lol what else is there to say? You covered it all. I would drop mike thomas for a kicker. Very good draft and hope stafford is healthy.

[YellowOnYellow]

Yeah, 10 man. I knew I was gonna be poor at QB, so I stocked up as I said, so we'll see. I'm looking to get involved with a QB straight away, already looking through rosters, to assess a trade, need to just open the communication lines up since there is plenty of time before the season. Plus, if CJ does hold out, I have Ringer, and I can already envisage the desperate trade offers.

Cook was one of my sleepers at TE. Had targeted Jimmy Graham, since I waited really late on a TE, as Gates and the other usual suspects went way too early, but Graham got snapped up, so just continued stocking up on RB/WR and took Cook super-late.

Your in a good position. if cj2k holds out that means cook gets a boost so just look for that top tier qb caz cutler is not starting material even in a 12 man league.

[saaltydog]

Lol what else is there to say? You covered it all. I would drop mike thomas for a kicker. Very good draft and hope stafford is healthy.

Mike Thomas has a very good chance of putting together a really good season. No way would I drop him. He is the #1 WR on the team, it's his third season, and he has improved every year he's been in the league. He has way too much upside potential.

I would drop Lewis. No reason to keep two TE's when you have Gates.

[YellowOnYellow]

Mike Thomas has a very good chance of putting together a really good season. No way would I drop him. He is the #1 WR on the team, it's his third season, and he has improved every year he's been in the league. He has way too much upside potential.

I would drop Lewis. No reason to keep two TE's when you have Gates.

Oop your right. Didn't see gates. I have lewis as my starter so I just over looked it. In 10 man there is no point in having 2 te but lewis also has great potential and is great target in the endzone. This is why I don't like 10 man since there's too many stars to be had. Lol try trading lewis for a kicker?

[The_Albatross]

For me it would depend on who's already come off the board, and who you have on your team at the time.

I believe you should draft talent above need, but if you have 2 players of equal talent at different positions, I would look at which position I need to fill more.


If I'm putting them in order, its probably like this:


AP
Andre Johnson
Frank Gore
Roddy
Fitzgerald
MJD
Calvin
Forte
Jennings
Jackson
Wayne
Best

Well I need a top RB and a top WR, since I didn't keep one. I'm predicting that 4 RBs will be picked before my turn, along with 2 WRs. At worst it will be 3 of each. Ideally Calvin Johnson will fall to me and make my decision easy. Looking ahead to the 2nd round, it would be better if I drafted a top WR first, for numerous reasons.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Well I need a top RB and a top WR, since I didn't keep one. I'm predicting that 4 RBs will be picked before my turn, along with 2 WRs. At worst it will be 3 of each. Ideally Calvin Johnson will fall to me and make my decision easy. Looking ahead to the 2nd round, it would be better if I drafted a top WR first, for numerous reasons.

Yeah in that case, hope for Calvin Johnson or Jennings. I don't trust Wayne really, the whole situation in Indy scares me.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Mike Thomas has a very good chance of putting together a really good season. No way would I drop him. He is the #1 WR on the team, it's his third season, and he has improved every year he's been in the league. He has way too much upside potential.

I would drop Lewis. No reason to keep two TE's when you have Gates.


Yeah I dropped Lewis for a kicker. Like I said I was hoping I could trade him since he had a pretty big year last year, but nobody was biting.

What do you think about the draft overall? Think my WR's will be a problem?

I feel the same way you do about Thomas, I think him and Garrard have a nice rapport and now that Sims-Walker is gone he is the unquestioned #1

[PotKettleBlack]

Your in a good position. if cj2k holds out that means cook gets a boost so just look for that top tier qb caz cutler is not starting material even in a 12 man league.

I know. I'm not that high on Cutler really, but I needed a QB to fill out the position, because of draft rules, I would have liked to have ignored it, and just gone straight for trades... Already got a couple of the pipeline. I might have to overpay for a top tier QB, but I can afford it technically.

Someone is potentially happy to trade me Rivers but I would have to give up a lot, I think... We'll see how it plays out.

[saaltydog]

I know. I'm not that high on Cutler really, but I needed a QB to fill out the position, because of draft rules, I would have liked to have ignored it, and just gone straight for trades... Already got a couple of the pipeline. I might have to overpay for a top tier QB, but I can afford it technically.

Someone is potentially happy to trade me Rivers but I would have to give up a lot, I think... We'll see how it plays out.

What is a lot?

[TopsecretWaffle]

giants D vs redskins

OR

cards D vs Panthers?

[ThaWorldIsYours]

giants D vs redskins

OR

cards D vs Panthers?


I would go with the Cards, the Giants D is banged up and the Panthers offense will be pretty bad

[Fabs23]

How did I do? Just got done with draft. 8 team league, had the first pick overall...would prefer to be in the middle but that was the hand I was dealt.


1. (1) Adrian Peterson
(Min - RB)
2. (16) Hakeem Nicks
(NYG - WR)
3. (17) Tom Brady
(NE - QB)
4. (32) Matt Forte
(Chi - RB)
5. (33) Mike Wallace
(Pit - WR)
6. (48) Wes Welker
(NE - WR)
7. (49) Mark Ingram
(NO - RB)
8. (64) Pittsburgh
(Pit - DEF)
9. (65) Owen Daniels
(Hou - TE)
10. (80) Fred Jackson
(Buf - RB)
11. (81) Reggie Bush
(Mia - RB)
12. (96) Santana Moss
(Was - WR)
13. (97) Pierre Garcon
(Ind - WR)
14. (112) Chicago
(Chi - DEF)
15. (113) Michael Crabtree
(SF - WR)
16. (128) David Buehler
(Dal - K)

[PotKettleBlack]

What is a lot?

We're unsure at this point, that is all he has said. I'll obviously keep you informed when I have more information.

[TheBigEasy]

How did I do? Just got done with draft. 8 team league, had the first pick overall...would prefer to be in the middle but that was the hand I was dealt.


1. (1) Adrian Peterson
(Min - RB)
2. (16) Hakeem Nicks
(NYG - WR)
3. (17) Tom Brady
(NE - QB)
4. (32) Matt Forte
(Chi - RB)
5. (33) Mike Wallace
(Pit - WR)
6. (48) Wes Welker
(NE - WR)
7. (49) Mark Ingram
(NO - RB)
8. (64) Pittsburgh
(Pit - DEF)
9. (65) Owen Daniels
(Hou - TE)
10. (80) Fred Jackson
(Buf - RB)
11. (81) Reggie Bush
(Mia - RB)
12. (96) Santana Moss
(Was - WR)
13. (97) Pierre Garcon
(Ind - WR)
14. (112) Chicago
(Chi - DEF)
15. (113) Michael Crabtree
(SF - WR)
16. (128) David Buehler
(Dal - K)

Means very little but from a Cowboy fan, Buehler has a great chance of being cut.

[TopsecretWaffle]

im surprised how late Santana moss has been going..i think hes gonna have a solid year..hes been beasting preseason

[Future24]

So people are big on Jared Cook? Also who is CJ2k's back up everyone is saying to grab?

How does everyone feel about Roy Helu?

[YellowOnYellow]

So people are big on Jared Cook? Also who is CJ2k's back up everyone is saying to grab?

How does everyone feel about Roy Helu?

Jared cook explained.
http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?showtopic=237493&st=0&start=0

I have him as my te backup that's it. Got him off waivers. Nothing much to lose from that.

[gwgtopshelf]

10 player league, i had 10th pick, non ppr league

Eli Manning
Chris Johnson
DeAngelo Williams
Ahmad Bradshaw- Flex wr/rb
Roddy White
Marques Colston
Dallas Clark
Jets D
Neil Rackers

bench:
austin collie
mike tolbert
michael bush
LT
kyle orton
lance moore
darren sproles

[reverse79]

im surprised how late Santana moss has been going..i think hes gonna have a solid year..hes been beasting preseason

doubt it...they brought in jabar gaffney for a reason

redskins...no matter how bad donovan played...have downgraded at QB


Redskins are an entirely red flag team

[reverse79]

So people are big on Jared Cook? Also who is CJ2k's back up everyone is saying to grab?

How does everyone feel about Roy Helu?

javon ringer

[Fabs23]

Means very little but from a Cowboy fan, Buehler has a great chance of being cut.

I wasnt even sure who he was...i place little value in a kicker which is why I took him dead last. If that is the only mistake I made I'll be thrilled.

[PotKettleBlack]

So people are big on Jared Cook? Also who is CJ2k's back up everyone is saying to grab?

How does everyone feel about Roy Helu?

I'm big on Cook if you can get him very late, he has tremendous upside, IMO, with obviously very little invested. I think there's a ton of serviceable options at TE this year, so if he doesn't turn out great, there will be waiver wire value on a week-to-week basis to play matchups with. If you can't get a Gates or perhaps Clark/maybe Finley, then waiting late and grabbing a guy like him is fine.

Javon Ringer. Injured as of now, but when he's back, he knows the system, and isn't gonna be pushed by the (I think rookie) Jamie Harper, nor are any of the currently available free agents gonna waltz in ahead of him. If CJ holds out, his value vaults!

I'm not touching anything Washington. I did like Helu, but I've decided to remember the usual sh*t that comes with Washington, now added the the fact that Mike Shanahan will drop a guy from the starting role on a whim, I don't want a part of that RBBC, unless you can get Hightower (the starter for now) really late.

[PotKettleBlack]

I wasnt even sure who he was...i place little value in a kicker which is why I took him dead last. If that is the only mistake I made I'll be thrilled.

Kickers make a difference, believe that! How many times have you seen a game decided by a couple of points, that a made FG could've won? etc...

Pick up another one.

[gwgtopshelf]

10 player league, i had 10th pick, non ppr league

Eli Manning
Chris Johnson
DeAngelo Williams
Ahmad Bradshaw- Flex wr/rb
Roddy White
Marques Colston
Dallas Clark
Jets D
Neil Rackers

bench:
austin collie
mike tolbert
michael bush
LT
kyle orton
lance moore
darren sproles

anyone?

[Fabs23]

Kickers make a difference, believe that! How many times have you seen a game decided by a couple of points, that a made FG could've won? etc...

Pick up another one.

if he gets cut i will...otherwise i am not sold that one kicker is better than another...i just want someone that can hit +50's from time to time. Of course games decided by a couple points would of, should of, could of...but who knows what kicker is going to see exponentially more fg opps than another on any given Sunday. if you want to recommend me a sleeper kicker go right ahead.

[justalilguyy]

Some quick help... draft starts in 15... im first overall in a team that is not ppr and starts 2 qb, 2 rbs, 3 wrs, a flex and d and kicker... I ws going to take rayray in the first round but now that im first and start 2 qbs i dunno if i should just take vick?

[Jayarbie]

anyone?

Very weak at QB. Eli sucks monkey nuts. Otherwise, it's a solid team. Lance Moore is a good person to have on your bench.

[RandomWalk]

Choosing players algorithmically up in this bitch!

[FAH_Q]

Is anyone else REALLY high on Woodhead for PPR leagues for where he is usually drafted? The guy averaged 5.6 ypc last year and had 5 td rushing with only 97 rushes and 34 receptions. Now he is supposed to get alot more reps at RB so i think he is going to provide awesome value for where is being drafted at.

[Zabooni]

Is anyone else REALLY high on Woodhead for PPR leagues for where he is usually drafted? The guy averaged 5.6 ypc last year and had 5 td rushing with only 97 rushes and 34 receptions. Now he is supposed to get alot more reps at RB so i think he is going to provide awesome value for where is being drafted at.

Yes, he's definitely a guy people should look for LATE in drafts. I expect him to put up around 800 total yards with 6 TDs. Greene-Ellis is still going to get 60%+ of the rushing attempts, but Woodhead should be extremely involved in the passing game. In deep leagues he can be a great value.

[gwgtopshelf]

Very weak at QB. Eli sucks monkey nuts. Otherwise, it's a solid team. Lance Moore is a good person to have on your bench.


didnt he throw for 4,000 yds tho?

[FAH_Q]

Yes, he's definitely a guy people should look for LATE in drafts. I expect him to put up around 800 total yards with 6 TDs. Greene-Ellis is still going to get 60%+ of the rushing attempts, but Woodhead should be extremely involved in the passing game. In deep leagues he can be a great value.

Don't know if thats accurate. Reports now are saying that he will be the primary back and that he has played more offensive snaps than Greene-Ellis has. So i would expect closer to double digit TD's along with about your 800 yds and around 50-60 receptions. Which is fantastic value for where he is being drafted. Those are about the same stats as Knowshon Moreno last year.

[Zabooni]

Don't know if thats accurate. Reports now are saying that he will be the primary back and that he has played more offensive snaps than Greene-Ellis has. So i would expect closer to double digit TD's along with about your 800 yds and around 50-60 receptions. Which is fantastic value for where he is being drafted. Those are about the same stats as Knowshon Moreno last year.

Greene-Ellis is a far far superior blocker and he's definitely going to be their go to guy on 1st, 2nd, and short yardage situations including goalline. Woodhead isn't going to get any goalline touches, and I only really see him being used as a 3rd and long type back. He's not built to be an every down back. Greene Ellis had 13 TDs last year which was tied for 2nd in the NFL. I don't see how Woodhead gets double digit TDs personally.

Also don't forget about the rookie, Steven Ridely. "Rookie RB Stevan Ridley has "taken advantage of extended reps" in training camp, according to ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss.Though Ridley is a power back at 5'11/225, he's shown more agility than expected. He's a candidate for short-yardage and clock-killing work, and he has a talent edge on incumbent BenJarvus Green-Ellis."

Then there is also Shane Vareen and Kevin Faulk. My point is that BJE had about 70% of the carries last year. Expecting Woodhead to all of a sudden bump up to 50% is a bit unrealistic seeing that he doesn't have the skillset that BJE provides. BJE is a guy who has had 0 fumbles in his 3 years and the coaching staff trusts him, and he can block which is especially important considering how much the Pats like to spread the field. That's just the way I see it though.

[bigsexxyy]

just drafted in 12 team 1 ppr how did i do:

1. (2) Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
2. (23) Vincent Jackson (SD - WR)
3. (26) Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
4. (47) Brandon Marshall (Mia - WR)
5. (50) Peyton Manning (Ind - QB)
6. (71) Tim Hightower (Was - RB)
7. (74) Percy Harvin (Min - WR)
8. (95) Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
9. (98) Mike Sims-Walker (StL - WR)
10. (119)Marcedes Lewis (Jac - TE)
11. (122) Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buf - QB)
12. (143) Chicago (Chi - DEF)
13. (146) Ricky Williams (Bal - RB)
14. (167) Cleveland (Cle - DEF)

[FAH_Q]

Greene-Ellis is a far far superior blocker and he's definitely going to be their go to guy on 1st, 2nd, and short yardage situations including goalline. Woodhead isn't going to get any goalline touches, and I only really see him being used as a 3rd and long type back. He's not built to be an every down back. Greene Ellis had 13 TDs last year which was tied for 2nd in the NFL. I don't see how Woodhead gets double digit TDs personally.

Also don't forget about the rookie, Steven Ridely. "Rookie RB Stevan Ridley has "taken advantage of extended reps" in training camp, according to ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss.Though Ridley is a power back at 5'11/225, he's shown more agility than expected. He's a candidate for short-yardage and clock-killing work, and he has a talent edge on incumbent BenJarvus Green-Ellis."

Then there is also Shane Vareen and Kevin Faulk. My point is that BJE had about 70% of the carries last year. Expecting Woodhead to all of a sudden bump up to 50% is a bit unrealistic seeing that he doesn't have the skillset that BJE provides. BJE is a guy who has had 0 fumbles in his 3 years and the coaching staff trusts him, and he can block which is especially important considering how much the Pats like to spread the field. That's just the way I see it though.

Ridley has zero effect on Woodhead. Did you not read your own quote that you posted? He has the same skill set as BJE. Not to mention he is a rookie RB in a backfield that already has a surplus of RB's. And Kevin Faulk? You do know he is WAY up there in age and coming off knee surgery.

"Danny Woodhead rushed five times for 63 yards against the Bucs in the Patriots' second preseason game.
Noticeably thicker in the thighs, Woodhead "started" for a second straight game. He could be in line for a few more inside carries this year"

So even if BJE is the "primary" goal line back, it appears that Woodhead is going to get more carries. And if he is averaging 5.6 ypc and 5td's in 93 rushing attempts then with the extra workload something closer to double digit TD's is not that unrealistic.

"Danny Woodhead played 28-of-42 snaps with the first-team offense Saturday.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis saw just 14 snaps as the starting unit played into the third quarter. It's a reminder that when the Patriots get behind, Woodhead will be the primary back. Green-Ellis remains the "closer" and short-yardage specialist."

Granted they were behind for most of his snaps he still had TWICE as many snaps as BGE.

[Zabooni]

Ridley has zero effect on Woodhead. Did you not read your own quote that you posted? He has the same skill set as BJE. Not to mention he is a rookie RB in a backfield that already has a surplus of RB's. And Kevin Faulk? You do know he is WAY up there in age and coming off knee surgery.

"Danny Woodhead rushed five times for 63 yards against the Bucs in the Patriots' second preseason game.
Noticeably thicker in the thighs, Woodhead "started" for a second straight game. He could be in line for a few more inside carries this year"

So even if BJE is the "primary" goal line back, it appears that Woodhead is going to get more carries. And if he is averaging 5.6 ypc and 5td's in 93 rushing attempts then with the extra workload something closer to double digit TD's is not that unrealistic.

"Danny Woodhead played 28-of-42 snaps with the first-team offense Saturday.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis saw just 14 snaps as the starting unit played into the third quarter. It's a reminder that when the Patriots get behind, Woodhead will be the primary back. Green-Ellis remains the "closer" and short-yardage specialist."

Granted they were behind for most of his snaps he still had TWICE as many snaps as BGE.

Pats always use the preseason to experiment, so carry ratios really mean nothing at this point. In the end, the most important role for the RB in that offense will be to protect Brady. Woodhead can't do this so I can still never see him getting a big chunk of carries. Ultimately we'll have to wait for the season to start to see how they are used.

[4thelvofthegme]

idk how many of you know, but woodhead has the ncaa record for most rushing yards of all time. he knows how to run, just wanted to add that into the BGE/woodhead debate. he will have good value if healthy

[FAH_Q]

Pats always use the preseason to experiment, so carry ratios really mean nothing at this point. In the end, the most important role for the RB in that offense will be to protect Brady. Woodhead can't do this so I can still never see him getting a big chunk of carries. Ultimately we'll have to wait for the season to start to see how they are used.

Well i don't know about pass blocking, but from reading things about him, it seems as though what you are saying is false.

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php?13151-Predict-Danny-Woodhead%27s-2011-Production post#15

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/557122-new-england-patriots-kevin-faulk-vs-danny-woodhead (granted its bleacher report, but this guy says he can pass bock)

[Jayarbie]

The Pats backfield is always hard to figure out because they use so many people. They always start the year with 2 or 3 options and then people come out of nowhere during the year (as Woodhead and BJGE have the last 2 years) and make significant contributions as well. I do think that BJGE is being severely overdrafted. I've seen him go in the 4th-6th rounds, which is way too high for a team that typically uses a many player committee. Woodhead's production is probably more stable as the new "Kevin Faulk" role player (Faulk actually typically led the Pats backfield in snaps while only getting 130 or so touches between rushes and receptions). BJGE should be the primary ball carrier at the start of the season, but since he is not overly talented, so he is vulnerable to losing carries to Ridley or Vereen (or maybe someone else?) as the season progresses. I doubt that he will have 13 TDs this year. Woodhead is worth a late round pick as a backup & bye week replacement, but his upside is most likely capped as the "passing down" back.

[dirtdickens]

Pats backfield is like the Broncos/Redskins Light. Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk all over again.

That being said in PPR leagues Faulk was always a good emergency start because he was good for 3 rec a game.

[Onita]

Can anyone tell me what the normal points are for PPR?

EDIT: Also, can anyone point me to some good rankings for PPR? Got a draft tonight. Reps for helP!

[Nainoa]

Greene-Ellis is a far far superior blocker and he's definitely going to be their go to guy on 1st, 2nd, and short yardage situations including goalline. Woodhead isn't going to get any goalline touches, and I only really see him being used as a 3rd and long type back. He's not built to be an every down back. Greene Ellis had 13 TDs last year which was tied for 2nd in the NFL. I don't see how Woodhead gets double digit TDs personally.

Also don't forget about the rookie, Steven Ridely. "Rookie RB Stevan Ridley has "taken advantage of extended reps" in training camp, according to ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss.Though Ridley is a power back at 5'11/225, he's shown more agility than expected. He's a candidate for short-yardage and clock-killing work, and he has a talent edge on incumbent BenJarvus Green-Ellis."

Then there is also Shane Vareen and Kevin Faulk. My point is that BJE had about 70% of the carries last year. Expecting Woodhead to all of a sudden bump up to 50% is a bit unrealistic seeing that he doesn't have the skillset that BJE provides. BJE is a guy who has had 0 fumbles in his 3 years and the coaching staff trusts him, and he can block which is especially important considering how much the Pats like to spread the field. That's just the way I see it though.

Actually I think that expecting any fantasy production out for any single back on the Patriots roster to perform on a consistent basis is over-estimating them.

It's a Running Back Carosel in an offense that uses the short passing (With Welker and 2 TE's) as an extension of the running game.

IMO if you take a Patriot RB as anything more than a Mid to Low end #3 you are setting yourself up for some disappointing weeks.

[waias15]

So my team is pure **** at RB, and I feel I need to make a trade to fix this. What kind of package do you think I could come up with to fix this problem?

My team:
Romo
Chris Johnson
Tim hightower
Hakeem nicks
Jeremy maclin
Ryan grant (flex)
Antonio gates

Bench:
Cutler
Cedric benson
Javon ringer
Danny amendola
Nate burleson
Jimmy graham

[BunkMoreland]

PPR 16 team league, 4 WR's start. im scouring the WW for a sleeper who will get some quality catches this year. out of the following 3: who do you like best? - Andre Roberts, Eric Decker or Harry Douglas?

[YellowOnYellow]

Pats backfield is like the Broncos/Redskins Light. Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk all over again.

That being said in PPR leagues Faulk was always a good emergency start because he was good for 3 rec a game.

This. Every since I drafted lawerance maurney in the 3rd round a few years ago (09?) and everyone said he was going to break out and take over blah blah, I have avoided ALL NE rb since. Barely gt into the playoffs with that team.

[dirtdickens]

You are fine for right now, dont trade. weather the storm at the start of the year, too many people make moves before teh season starts. Benson is a 285 carry guy and you have ringer, keep an eye on jamie harper as another titan that could run the ball


So my team is pure **** at RB, and I feel I need to make a trade to fix this. What kind of package do you think I could come up with to fix this problem?

My team:
Romo
Chris Johnson
Tim hightower
Hakeem nicks
Jeremy maclin
Ryan grant (flex)
Antonio gates

Bench:
Cutler
Cedric benson
Javon ringer
Danny amendola
Nate burleson
Jimmy graham

[ThaWorldIsYours]

So my team is pure **** at RB, and I feel I need to make a trade to fix this. What kind of package do you think I could come up with to fix this problem?

My team:
Romo
Chris Johnson
Tim hightower
Hakeem nicks
Jeremy maclin
Ryan grant (flex)
Antonio gates

Bench:
Cutler
Cedric benson
Javon ringer
Danny amendola
Nate burleson
Jimmy graham


Thats not that bad at RB. Some people (including myself) think Hightower will be a 1,000 yard back this season with a chance at double digit TD's. I have him as my flex RB (Rice & DMC are my other 2 starters). Benson is a good RB4

You could try and trade Gates for an RB and then start Jimmy Graham who a lot of people think is going to break out. There are no shortage of useful tight ends, there are probably some pretty good ones sitting in your free agent pool. Find somebody who overvalues Gates and try to get an RB out of them.

[Jayarbie]

PPR 16 team league, 4 WR's start. im scouring the WW for a sleeper who will get some quality catches this year. out of the following 3: who do you like best? - Andre Roberts, Eric Decker or Harry Douglas?

Roberts is the most likely to give you at least some steady production since he is a starter (although not exactly a high profile fantasy gig as #2 WR in AZ...). The other two guys probably offer a higher ceiling since they are more explosive players. Douglas has a better offense, but he's also lower on the food chain behind White and Julio Jones. Decker's offense isn't as explosive, but the guys ahead of him, especially Royal, aren't nearly as good.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Roberts is the most likely to give you at least some steady production since he is a starter (although not exactly a high profile fantasy gig as #2 WR in AZ...). The other two guys probably offer a higher ceiling since they are more explosive players. Douglas has a better offense, but he's also lower on the food chain behind White and Julio Jones. Decker's offense isn't as explosive, but the guys ahead of him, especially Royal, aren't nearly as good.

Royal is a very good WR, for some reason Orton has never liked throwing to him. When he had Cutler as a rookie he had 980 yards receiving. McDaniels also didn't seem to know what to do with him.

Decker is pretty much the next Ed McCaffrey. I think he will see some good time in the slot this year and might become one of Orton's favorite targets. Royal is more explosive, but Decker is a much bigger target.

[dirtdickens]

I have almost the same team, thats gonna be a good one for PPR


just drafted in 12 team 1 ppr how did i do:

1. (2) Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
2. (23) Vincent Jackson (SD - WR)
3. (26) Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
4. (47) Brandon Marshall (Mia - WR)
5. (50) Peyton Manning (Ind - QB)
6. (71) Tim Hightower (Was - RB)
7. (74) Percy Harvin (Min - WR)
8. (95) Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
9. (98) Mike Sims-Walker (StL - WR)
10. (119)Marcedes Lewis (Jac - TE)
11. (122) Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buf - QB)
12. (143) Chicago (Chi - DEF)
13. (146) Ricky Williams (Bal - RB)
14. (167) Cleveland (Cle - DEF)

[Nainoa]

So my team is pure **** at RB, and I feel I need to make a trade to fix this. What kind of package do you think I could come up with to fix this problem?

My team:
Romo
Chris Johnson
Tim hightower
Hakeem nicks
Jeremy maclin
Ryan grant (flex)
Antonio gates

Bench:
Cutler
Cedric benson
Javon ringer
Danny amendola
Nate burleson
Jimmy graham


I think you're alright... Anyway you can make space for Roy Helu amongst your Kicker's and D's... Just so you own the Redskins Running game...

Sounds like Cedben will miss one game... Maybe 2... But no suspension

[Nainoa]

PPR 16 team league, 4 WR's start. im scouring the WW for a sleeper who will get some quality catches this year. out of the following 3: who do you like best? - Andre Roberts, Eric Decker or Harry Douglas?

Eric Decker can't sneeze without giving himself a concussion. He's so fragile that he makes Ryan Torain look like an iron man. I don't care what his talent level is if he blinks to hard on a sunny day and rips and eye lid he'll be out for 6 weeks.

While it's close between Roberts and Douglas... I think Roberts has the better chance to see more playing time in a conference loaded with weak DB's.

So I say go Roberts and then make a voo doo doll of Early Doucet snapping his ankle!

[arian11]

Had my draft earlier this week. 12 team league, I had 2nd pick. This was before Arian Foster tweaked his hamstring. Thoughts?

1. (2) Arian Foster
2. (23) Hakeem Nicks
3. (26) LeGarrette Blount
4. (47) Stevie Johnson
5. (50) Marques Colston
6. (71) Knowshon Moreno
7. (74) Eli Manning
8. (95) Malcom Floyd
9. (98) Roy Williams
10. (119) Jared Cook
11. (122) Kevin Kolb
12. (143) Ben Tate
13. (146) Danny Woodhead
14. (167) James Jones
15. (170) James Starks

How scared should I be over Foster's injury? I have to drop 2 bench players eventually to get a K and DEF. I think I should hold on to Ben Tate just in case.

[Zabooni]

Actually I think that expecting any fantasy production out for any single back on the Patriots roster to perform on a consistent basis is over-estimating them.

It's a Running Back Carosel in an offense that uses the short passing (With Welker and 2 TE's) as an extension of the running game.

IMO if you take a Patriot RB as anything more than a Mid to Low end #3 you are setting yourself up for some disappointing weeks.

I agree and it's why I have stayed away from drafting any. At the same time, his ADP is around 65ish, but I see him consistently drop much lower in my drafts, and he has all the potential to be a great flex starter with RB2 upside. But yeah I certainly would never dream of picking him up and relying on him to produce.

[FatWhiteKid]

My GM in my work league picked Peyton Hillis 5th overall

[Onita]

My GM in my work league picked Peyton Hillis 5th overall

Location: ;)

I picked him in like the 12th round last year, feltgoodman. Here's hoping some homer picks him early.

[Nainoa]

See I'm fine with guys bidding up... Because that's part of the process... But I smell collusion here in that he bid up every Handcuff RB in the league... To the point where he had 2 QB's (Got stuck on cutler) 3 WR, 1 Defense and the rest was all RB's...

Then he lobbies to get the Transaction rules changed in his favor, because he doesn't even have a starting lineup... Then he assumes that he's just going to get the votes needed to change the rules and starts putting in Transactions before they even open up.

Right now the vote is 2 to 4 against him...

So I think he's underestimated the "Social Capital" that comes behind my reputation and oppinion vs his.


I mean I don't want to be the benevolent despot commish... But I created this league and it's unique dynasty rule system out of my own head 10 years ago and promoted it... So I'll be damned if some sort of popularity contest bully maneuver is going to alter what is essentially my creation.


Especially when if this guy and his co-conspirator drop out... I have a waiting list with 2 guys to get in it next year!
;)

Update: Just had to verbally spank this guy and his co-conspirators on the message boards. They just spent the better part of 2 days texting, e-mailing, PM-ing and putting up voting polls to manipulate the tranny/wavier system in their favor.


Like I said "Some of you need to remember that this is first and foremost a game meant to give you the chance to interact with your friends about the subject of football, and if $300+ means that much to you, then you should get a friggin' part time job!"

[PotKettleBlack]

if he gets cut i will...otherwise i am not sold that one kicker is better than another...i just want someone that can hit +50's from time to time. Of course games decided by a couple points would of, should of, could of...but who knows what kicker is going to see exponentially more fg opps than another on any given Sunday. if you want to recommend me a sleeper kicker go right ahead.

When you have a bad kicker there's more of a difference, you lose points for missed FGs, and this guy is not accurate. I'd be much more comfortable with a solid kicker knowing there was no chance he would produce a negative point effort for my team. That's all...


Is anyone else REALLY high on Woodhead for PPR leagues for where he is usually drafted? The guy averaged 5.6 ypc last year and had 5 td rushing with only 97 rushes and 34 receptions. Now he is supposed to get alot more reps at RB so i think he is going to provide awesome value for where is being drafted at.

I'm high on him if you can get him really late. There's a muddled RBBC in New England, and they'll split carries all over the place. With that in mind, Woodhead is a good runner, is probably morphing into Kevin Faulk now he's unlikely to feature much, if it all, so has reasonable upside, as another option in your team. I don't think he'll get the opportunities to be a #1 or a #2 back for you, but as a matchup flex or something, he has the potential to hit a few homeruns every now and then, and provide a nice points boost. Just don't bank on it.


Pats backfield is like the Broncos/Redskins Light. Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk all over again.

That being said in PPR leagues Faulk was always a good emergency start because he was good for 3 rec a game.

I think it's somewhat harsh comparing them to the Mike Shanahan rushing offenses, since he seems to change his for no reason whatsoever and the Patriots scheme with multiple backfield options in mind! But with that said, the fact remains, they split carries to multiple backs. I think Ridley gets in on the act early and often this year too, and although that doesn't necessarily directly affect Woodhead's role, it's just yet another option they have on an offense which isn't short of them...

Nainoa, I'd love to get your take on my team, ideally with some possible suggestions about trade packages, etc. I'm just putting some trade feelers out now, because I need to rectify my QB situation. Cheers.

[OrdoAbchao]

Can Dallas Clark get me a top WR in a trade? I hve Graham from NO as my backup and I think he will be great. My WR's are weak. Lloyd, Maclin, and Dez Byrant.

If I trade Calrk and Lloyd for someone like Vincent Jackson am I giving up too much?

[Zabooni]

Can Dallas Clark get me a top WR in a trade? I hve Graham from NO as my backup and I think he will be great. My WR's are weak. Lloyd, Maclin, and Dez Byrant.

If I trade Calrk and Lloyd for someone like Vincent Jackson am I giving up too much?

I would say you are giving up too much. Your WRs aren't terrible, no #1 guy there, but all should put up decent #2 ish numbers. I think a little too much is expected of Graham. Wait for the season to start, and if he puts up good numbers, then look to trade Clark.

[MarkHenry25]

what do you guys think of percy harvin, kenny britt,brandon marshall?

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Update: Just had to verbally spank this guy and his co-conspirators on the message boards. They just spent the better part of 2 days texting, e-mailing, PM-ing and putting up voting polls to manipulate the tranny/wavier system in their favor.


Like I said "Some of you need to remember that this is first and foremost a game meant to give you the chance to interact with your friends about the subject of football, and if $300+ means that much to you, then you should get a friggin' part time job!"


Just went back through this post and read all your posts regarding this guy. He seems really douchey. I am the commish of my league and I understand what its like when people want to change **** all the time and try to collude with eachother, it makes the job of being a commish not so fun.

A few years ago I had a guy join my league and then lose interest halfway through, he asked me if I would drop his entry fee if he traded me all of his good players, LOL. I was like nah brah that would reflect poorly on me as the commissioner. Needless to say, he did not return to the league the next year.


I'm not sure how your league is made-up, but the good thing about my league is that everybody in the league is a close personal friend, everyone in the league has been friends since HS, go on vacations together, are groomsmen at eachother's weddings, etc. So we all know eachother well enough and respect eachother enough that we don't try to pull douchy moves on eachother like that.

[Nainoa]

Just went back through this post and read all your posts regarding this guy. He seems really douchey. I am the commish of my league and I understand what its like when people want to change **** all the time and try to collude with eachother, it makes the job of being a commish not so fun.

A few years ago I had a guy join my league and then lose interest halfway through, he asked me if I would drop his entry fee if he traded me all of his good players, LOL. I was like nah brah that would reflect poorly on me as the commissioner. Needless to say, he did not return to the league the next year.


I'm not sure how your league is made-up, but the good thing about my league is that everybody in the league is a close personal friend, everyone in the league has been friends since HS, go on vacations together, are groomsmen at eachother's weddings, etc. So we all know eachother well enough and respect eachother enough that we don't try to pull douchy moves on eachother like that.

Yeah that's how my league is made up to... But there are 3 of them that have a little bit too much of that HS Clique thing going on... And when you consider they're in their mid 30's it's no good.

Since laying the smack down on these punks there hasn't been a peep. And I've gotten 2 positive texts from others approving of my handling of the situation.

I hate being the benevolent despot commish... But in FF, I've got more social capital than I have rep power on BB.com.
:D

[Nainoa]

what do you guys think of percy harvin, kenny britt,brandon marshall?


Harvin: Assuming he stays healthy, he's a mid to high #2 WR.

Britt: He's streaky when he isn't having conditioning and off the field issues... I would draft him as a #3 who might play himself into a #2 role... BUT drafting him I'd also draft another value #3 in that #4 WR spot.

Brandon Marshall: Hard to say... But I would look at him as a low end #1, Falling below Miles Austin and Dwayne Bowe. I think Miami's Passing game and his performace will rebound a bit this year... But Marshall will never be what he was in Denver.

[peteypistol]

i got first pick in a PPR in 10 minutes.... with CJK signin this weekend, foster injury... whose ur guys 1st pick? torn between rice and AD

[cudder]

i got first pick in a PPR in 10 minutes.... with CJK signin this weekend, foster injury... whose ur guys 1st pick? torn between rice and AD

if i had balls id pick rice first. if i didnt have balls id pick AD

[T2TL]

Harvin: Assuming he stays healthy, he's a mid to high #2 WR.

Britt: He's streaky when he isn't having conditioning and off the field issues... I would draft him as a #3 who might play himself into a #2 role... BUT drafting him I'd also draft another value #3 in that #4 WR spot.

Brandon Marshall: Hard to say... But I would look at him as a low end #1, Falling below Miles Austin and Dwayne Bowe. I think Miami's Passing game and his performace will rebound a bit this year... But Marshall will never be what he was in Denver.

glad to see you have the same outlook on Marshall as I do. With Thomas doing terribly in camp, all reports are that the Dolphins passing game is going to be a focal point. With Marshall's size I'd have to assume last year's TD total was a fluke. If he can do around 1000 and 7 I think he's one of the best WR2's that will be drafted. I actually have Britt ahead of Harvin but they are literally back to back in my rankings. Have them both as WR3s. I guess I don't share the same enthusiasm with you when it comes to Harvin, wouldn't draft him as a WR2.

[peteypistol]

if i had balls id pick rice first. if i didnt have balls id pick AD

went with Rice, and Forte fell to me for the 24th pick... not bad at all for PPR

[FAH_Q]

Eric Decker can't sneeze without giving himself a concussion. He's so fragile that he makes Ryan Torain look like an iron man. I don't care what his talent level is if he blinks to hard on a sunny day and rips and eye lid he'll be out for 6 weeks.

While it's close between Roberts and Douglas... I think Roberts has the better chance to see more playing time in a conference loaded with weak DB's.

So I say go Roberts and then make a voo doo doll of Early Doucet snapping his ankle!

The only reason I would disagree is because HD has noone who could take any snaps from him. It would not be a shock to anyone if Early Doucet takes the #2 spot from Roberts assuming he stays healthy.

[cudder]

went with Rice, and Forte fell to me for the 24th pick... not bad at all for PPR

niceeeee very good esp for ppr.

just finished my 1st money draft. picked 8th out of 10. Felt like I gotta a good team but I might need to look for a QB, I waited too long and twice got fuked over.

Qb-freeman
wr-megatron
wr-wallace
rb-mendenhall
rb-jones-drew
te-cook
flex-matthews
k-hanson
def-detroit

bn-bradford
bn-marshall
bn-s. johnson
bn-moss
bn-wells
bn-tolbert

[arian11]

If given the choice for your 2nd WR, would you take Brandon Marshall or Stevie Johnson? Both are kind of in bad offenses and have to deal with Jets def twice. I was torn but ended up taking Stevie Johnson. I'm a Dolphins fan but I try to not be biased. Hopefully I don't regret it, lol.

[peteypistol]

^ loookin joocey brah. Freemans a good pick, no worries on him. although I would play marshall over matthews imo

[dirtdickens]

went with Rice, and Forte fell to me for the 24th pick... not bad at all for PPR

Those are my two RBs also. Not a huge Forte guy, but given the issues with the other PPR backs its not unreasonable to think he finishes in the top 7 backs this year. Reggie Bush is the other guy I got, again not happy about him, but he is a potentiial PPR guy.
---------------------------

Fellas I picked up Ward tonight. The info on Foster isnt sounding good, likely a nagger.

[T2TL]

If given the choice for your 2nd WR, would you take Brandon Marshall or Stevie Johnson? Both are kind of in bad offenses and have to deal with Jets def twice. I was torn but ended up taking Stevie Johnson. I'm a Dolphins fan but I try to not be biased. Hopefully I don't regret it, lol.

In my rankings I have Marshall ahead with a 3 WR difference between them. Nothing too major but I think Stevie is going to have a hard time replicating last year while Marshall should improve on last year.

[cudder]

or you could pick both trolololol

[YellowOnYellow]

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Fellas I picked up Ward tonight. The info on Foster isnt sounding good, likely a nagger.

Trololololololololol.

[Shangius]

Team rate once again (10 team ppr):

QB: Eli Manning
RB: Chris Johnson
RB: LeSean McCoy
RB/WR flex: Darren McFadden
WR: Miles Austin
WR: Jeremy Maclin
TE: Vernon Davis
D/ST: Saints
K: Stephen Gostkowski

Bench: Daniel Thomas
Bench: Brandon Marshall
Bench: Marshawn Lynch
Bench: Joe Flacco
Bench: Kellen Winslow
Bench: Mike Williams
Bench: Roy Helu

[Future24]

Okay crazy reps to whoever gives me advice. This league is a $125 buy in so it means a lot. I had the 3rd pick in a 12 team draft. AP and Rice were first two. Fosters hammy scared me away.

This is my team:
http://i54.tinypic.com/5ttmon.png

I passed on Blount to grab Bradshaw..should I try to do a swap?

Also this is how the league scoring is? It's a little weird.
http://i52.tinypic.com/13ygdms.jpg

[YellowOnYellow]

Okay crazy reps to whoever gives me advice. This league is a $125 buy in so it means a lot. I had the 3rd pick in a 12 team draft. AP and Rice were first two. Fosters hammy scared me away.

This is my team:
http://i54.tinypic.com/5ttmon.png

I passed on Blount to grab Bradshaw..should I try to do a swap?

Also this is how the league scoring is? It's a little weird.
http://i52.tinypic.com/13ygdms.jpg

Charles at three? That's understandable. However looks like cj2k looks to set with his contract soon so you might have wanted to go there but that's nor here or there. JC was still a good pick at three

Blount>bradshaw. Jacobs looks to be splitting carries with him again. Will have to see hoow much touches he will take away from bradshaw.

looks like players with homerun ability gets tons of bonus such as cj2k and desean jax which you don't have..but you still have a very solid team.

[ZidaneValor]

Okay crazy reps to whoever gives me advice. This league is a $125 buy in so it means a lot. I had the 3rd pick in a 12 team draft. AP and Rice were first two. Fosters hammy scared me away.

This is my team:
http://i54.tinypic.com/5ttmon.png

I passed on Blount to grab Bradshaw..should I try to do a swap?

Also this is how the league scoring is? It's a little weird.
http://i52.tinypic.com/13ygdms.jpg

1) Damn your league is bonus heavy. A QB gets 15 points for a 50 yard TD pass and 5 points for 299 passing yards. So you basically need guys who are all or nothing.

2) I am all-in on JC this year. He finished third in standard scoring among RBs (no idea what he would place in your league) DESPITE sharing the load 50-50. With Thomas Jones wearing down (3.0 YPC the last 8 games) and Cassel struggling, JC should be good for 2,000 YFS (1,935 last year) and 10-12 TDs or more.

3) Really like your three WRs. V-Jax is that all-or-nothing guy you need, and he is poised for a Top-5 year. Mike Williams is a solid WR2 even if he maintains his stats from last year, and Harvin should be a good value even in a 0.5 PPR.

4) Not really sold on your RBs outside JC. You have both Bradshaw and Jacobs, so maybe hope that one of them takes over the role. Addai could be Top-15 if he plays 16 games, but that is unlikely. McGahee is a good TD vulture, and even with his VERY low YPC he may be better than Moreno in your scoring system. I have no idea what to make of Starks right now.

5) Your bench WRs are pretty decent but not great in a 12-team league. I think Floyd will regress, but there COULD be value there. I can't estimate what Moore will do this year, but he may be the 4th option if Colston and Meachem are healthy, plus Graham may be the TD vulture there. Sanders is a good lottery ticket, but he'll probably need someone to go down ahead of him (for my sake, hopefully not Mike Wallace, lol.)

[Future24]

Should I make any deals? Who do you guys think I should go after? Blount or some one else and who to deal? Really freaking out cause I wanted Blount but one of my friends convinced me otherwise...

[ZidaneValor]

Should I make any deals? Who do you guys think I should go after? Blount or some one else and who to deal? Really freaking out cause I wanted Blount but one of my friends convinced me otherwise...

Don't know. It's really hard to make deals in the preseason.

I have Best, Moreno, Hightower, Tolbert, Grant, D-Bowe, and Holmes all on my bench, and I can't even make a 3-for-1 trade right now. I offered Best, Moreno, and D-Bowe to the guy starting Maclin as his WR2 and Thomas Jones/Plaxico Burress in his Flex (10-team money-league) for McCoy, and he reacted as if I had three heads. Better wait until after Week 1 and let someone panic.

[Future24]

Don't know. It's really hard to make deals in the preseason.

I have Best, Moreno, Hightower, Tolbert, Grant, D-Bowe, and Holmes all on my bench, and I can't even make a 3-for-1 trade right now. I offered Best, Moreno, and D-Bowe to the guy starting Maclin as his WR2 and Thomas Jones/Plaxico Burress in his Flex (10-team money-league) for McCoy, and he reacted as if I had three heads. Better wait until after Week 1 and let someone panic.

Good idea. I hope Moreno snaps his leg. I have blount in other leagues so good luck to him. Fuk I feel dumb for taking Bradshaw over Blount...

[YellowOnYellow]

Isn't e sanders hurt too? Also I hope you got jared cook really late.

[Jayarbie]

Team rate once again (10 team ppr):

QB: Eli Manning
RB: Chris Johnson
RB: LeSean McCoy
RB/WR flex: Darren McFadden
WR: Miles Austin
WR: Jeremy Maclin
TE: Vernon Davis
D/ST: Saints
K: Stephen Gostkowski

Bench: Daniel Thomas
Bench: Brandon Marshall
Bench: Marshawn Lynch
Bench: Joe Flacco
Bench: Kellen Winslow
Bench: Mike Williams
Bench: Roy Helu

youplaywithabunchofretards/10.

I haven't seen either McCoy or McFadden make it out of the 1st round, and you apparently got them in the 2nd and 3rd. IF Johnson comes back, your team looks like a powerhouse. If not, things are interesting. I'm not a fan of Eli as a starter. He had a pretty quiet 4,000 yards, and he throws too many picks. I'd look to upgrade if possible. At WR, I worry about Maclin. I know he is supposed to play, but he can't possibly be anywhere near 100% in strength and conditioning. OTOH, you still have Marshall on the bench, so it's not a huge concern. All in all, though, pretty solid.

[LifeAt30000feet]

Whats the opinion on Mark Ingram? I took him 56th pick. He's my 2nd RB so I hope he doesn't turn out to be a bust.

[Future24]

Isn't e sanders hurt too? Also I hope you got jared cook really late.

Sanders is playing in Pitt's last preseason game. I made sure of it before I took him.

And I took Cook in the 15th round. No ones heard of him but thehuddle.com LOVES him. So I waited til before my kicker.

[YellowOnYellow]

Good. I'm a huge believer in cook this year. I feel like a mini gates with some VD in him.

[ZidaneValor]

youplaywithabunchofretards/10.

I haven't seen either McCoy or McFadden make it out of the 1st round, and you apparently got them in the 2nd and 3rd. IF Johnson comes back, your team looks like a powerhouse. If not, things are interesting.

I may be wrong, but it looks like a auction draft with a studs and duds strategy.

[Zabooni]

Whats the opinion on Mark Ingram? I took him 56th pick. He's my 2nd RB so I hope he doesn't turn out to be a bust.

I'm very high on him. I think he's gonna end up as a good 2nd RB. Near the beginning of the season he may be splitting carries a bit, but later on in the season, and come playoff time, I expect him to be the feature back with all the talent he has. I expect near 1100 total yards, and 8 or 9 TDs.

[Vigilante_Inc]

Anyone have any good tips on sleepers to pick up off the wire or to target in trades this year before the season starts?

I'm feeling pretty high on people who I'm normally kind of sellish on.

Devin Hester - He's had a decent pre season and they look like they are throwing the ball to him. It still concerns me that he returns kicks but you cant really blame them for it. They targeted him often and looked his way in the endzone. You cant teach his speed either

Mark Ingram - I'm normally not big on rookie running backs unless they are in a system that can run the ball all the time. This kid has talent though and I think the Saints will make use of him. He has more talent then all of those other backs in New Orleans and if they get him into the screen game he is dangerous. I think he has running back 2 potential but in lots of my leagues you can get him for way less. Not the waiver wire but cant rade for him easily

[unclejeff]

12 team 1 PPR. I was 11 of 12

QB: Schaub, Cutler
WR: L. Fitz, H. Nicks, B. Lloyd, N. Burleson, E. Sanders (Pit)
RB: J. Best, T. Hightower, M. Lynch, B. Tate
TE: O. Daniels, L. Kendricks (my sleeper this year)
D/St: Eagles

1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 RB/WR/TE flex, Def, K

[Onita]

10 team PPR - 6th pick

QB: Peyton, Cassell
RB: McFadden, Blount, Shonne Greene, Fred Jackson, Michael Bush, Cadillac
WR: Miles Austin, A. Johnson, B. Lloyd, Sims-Walker
TE: Owen Daniels
Kicker - Rackers, Vinatieri
D- Chicago, Oakland

1 qb
2 rb
2wr
1 te
1 flex
kicker
defense

I'm worried about my RB's.

[JetLife21]

I had my money league draft this past Sunday and had the 3rd pick. For the weeks leading up to the draft I had decided that I was going to take Rice if I had a pick in the 3-6 range and was able to land him. Well the draft came around and for some reason I changed my mind at the last second and drafted Charles over Rice. I have talked to the guy that has Rice and he is willing to trade Rice for Charles straight up. He said he liked Charles more because Rice has to play Pitt twice. So, if I wait til after week 1 to propose the trade I may not be able to get Rice since we play week 1 and Rice plays Pitt in week 1. Charles schedule is weak to start the year off but gets pretty tough towards the end of the year.

I am higher on Rice than Charles for these reasons:
1.) I think Charles has higher upside but Rice is the safer pick. I don't mind taking risks in fantasy, but I don't want to take too much risks and I have Peyton and Stafford at QB which can be risky but could end up being huge for me if they are healthy this year.

2.) I think my team is easily good enough to make the fantasy playoffs with either RB and Rice has a much better playoff schedule than Charles.

3.) Rice should see more goalline carries than Charles this year.

So what do you guys think? Would you trade for Rice before week 1 to be sure to get him, wait for a few weeks and try to trade Charles when his stock should be high, or keep Charles all year?

[PotKettleBlack]

glad to see you have the same outlook on Marshall as I do. With Thomas doing terribly in camp, all reports are that the Dolphins passing game is going to be a focal point. With Marshall's size I'd have to assume last year's TD total was a fluke. If he can do around 1000 and 7 I think he's one of the best WR2's that will be drafted. I actually have Britt ahead of Harvin but they are literally back to back in my rankings. Have them both as WR3s. I guess I don't share the same enthusiasm with you when it comes to Harvin, wouldn't draft him as a WR2.

I think they'll just look to Reggie Bush more and hope he stays healthy long enough that Thomas catches up a bit with the NFL speed of things. They're gonna do plenty of short passing, to avoid the turnovers they had last year, and Henne isn't exactly a strong-arm. I think Marshall improves somewhat this year, but not too much, I'd actually say that the other WRs are more benefitted this year, like Bess, who I think is gonna be a PPR beast this year.

went with Rice, and Forte fell to me for the 24th pick... not bad at all for PPR

Ideal situation if he falls that far. Not high on him but in PPR that is great value for me. What's the rest of your team looking like?


If given the choice for your 2nd WR, would you take Brandon Marshall or Stevie Johnson? Both are kind of in bad offenses and have to deal with Jets def twice. I was torn but ended up taking Stevie Johnson. I'm a Dolphins fan but I try to not be biased. Hopefully I don't regret it, lol.

I prefer Johnson. He is THE guy that Fitzpatrick is looking for, has some skills, and as always, they still suck balls on D so will have to throw a lot to keep up in games. I like him as a WR2.


Whats the opinion on Mark Ingram? I took him 56th pick. He's my 2nd RB so I hope he doesn't turn out to be a bust.

As I've said before, I think as the year progress he is gonna be the back on the Saints that gets the highest volume of work. Whether or not that translates into a good fantasy value I don't really know... Talk to anyone who has owned Saints' RBs since McAllister left, and you'll get the same story. It's really reliant on him getting into the endzone, because he's not getting 20 carries a game.


Anyone have any good tips on sleepers to pick up off the wire or to target in trades this year before the season starts?

I'm feeling pretty high on people who I'm normally kind of sellish on.

Devin Hester - He's had a decent pre season and they look like they are throwing the ball to him. It still concerns me that he returns kicks but you cant really blame them for it. They targeted him often and looked his way in the endzone. You cant teach his speed either

Mark Ingram - I'm normally not big on rookie running backs unless they are in a system that can run the ball all the time. This kid has talent though and I think the Saints will make use of him. He has more talent then all of those other backs in New Orleans and if they get him into the screen game he is dangerous. I think he has running back 2 potential but in lots of my leagues you can get him for way less. Not the waiver wire but cant rade for him easily

I couldn't be more opposed to Hester. Knox and Williams will be fighting it out for the looks, and Hester really hasn't blossomed into the WR that they'd hoped. Yes he is absolutely ridiculously fast, but if he's not in the right place at the right time, a Martz offense won't throw it to him, and he won't be, so he won't get the football much.

[Nainoa]

If given the choice for your 2nd WR, would you take Brandon Marshall or Stevie Johnson? Both are kind of in bad offenses and have to deal with Jets def twice. I was torn but ended up taking Stevie Johnson. I'm a Dolphins fan but I try to not be biased. Hopefully I don't regret it, lol.

I think the thing that slightly nudges Stevie here is that he plays for a worse team... So Buffalo will be throwing all the time trying to come from behind... Once Miami gets ahead in a few more games, they'll run the ball to grind out the clock... And will call more run plays and short passes.

I think Stevie just ends up getting more desperation opportunities. While Marshall will do more with the few he gets type of thing.

But their values are touching each other.

[Nainoa]

I'm very high on him. I think he's gonna end up as a good 2nd RB. Near the beginning of the season he may be splitting carries a bit, but later on in the season, and come playoff time, I expect him to be the feature back with all the talent he has. I expect near 1100 total yards, and 8 or 9 TDs.

Yeah it's going to take Ingram all year to play into a featured role... Once he does then I think he becomes a solid #2... His value is pointed more at "Helping you right when you need it in the fantasy playoffs" than "Helping you get to the Fantasy Playoffs."

[dirtdickens]

I have seen more than a few Saints games where it was almost comical watching them try to plow one into the endzone. They got the right guy to finish the job this year. Saints had more redzone passing attempts than anyone the last two years and I think Ingram makes a push when they get into that area again. I was targeting him in the 5th also, went a few picks in front of me.

RE:Marshall/Johnson-I got Marshall as the #6 WR overall this year. Henne has really improved since he was booed off the practice field at the start of the year. Last season they had Hartline and Bess running nothing but Arrow routes and had no one to deter the third level of coverage. With Bush coming in I think they free up Bess to go further than 3 yards down field.
Johnson has ZERO help in the passing game, someone named Easly and some other no name are there #2 and #3. Yeah he will get some garbage points in PPR, but he is not Marshall.

[ty247]

I have seen more than a few Saints games where it was almost comical watching them try to plow one into the endzone. They got the right guy to finish the job this year. Saints had more redzone passing attempts than anyone the last two years and I think Ingram makes a push when they get into that area again. I was targeting him in the 5th also, went a few picks in front of me.

RE:Marshall/Johnson-I got Marshall as the #6 WR overall this year. Henne has really improved since he was booed off the practice field at the start of the year. Last season they had Hartline and Bess running nothing but Arrow routes and had no one to deter the third level of coverage. With Bush coming in I think they free up Bess to go further than 3 yards down field.
Johnson has ZERO help in the passing game, someone named Easly and some other no name are there #2 and #3. Yeah he will get some garbage points in PPR, but he is not Marshall.

Marcus Easly I like, guy had a nice combine, he's big fast and physical.. he was a rookie last year and was injured, but obviously Buffalo felt comfortable enough with him in there that they traded Lee Evans away

He's 6'3", 210, runs a 4.39-4.40 in the 40.. wasn't a very polished receiver coming out of college, but had the physical ability. If anything, he's a possible sleeper should the Buffalo passing offense come out strong.

[YellowOnYellow]

Yeah it's going to take Ingram all year to play into a featured role... Once he does then I think he becomes a solid #2... His value is pointed more at "Helping you right when you need it in the fantasy playoffs" than "Helping you get to the Fantasy Playoffs."

The way the saints are rolling they start resting their starters when the fantasy playoffs start.

[ty247]

The way the saints are rolling they start resting their starters when the fantasy playoffs start.

Depends how the playoff situation is playing out, but with the Falcons positioned to make a run, and the young Bucs pushing to prove themselves I don't think the Saints will be able to sit guys.

That said here's a write up I did on Mark Ingram..


In 2009, the saints had 1012 offensive plays, 544 passing and 468 rushing
A 53.75/46.25 ratio of pass to run

In 2010, the saints had 1041 offensive plays, 661 passing and 380 rushing
A 63.5/36.5 ratio of pass to run

If we take the average of the two play totals,
we would get 601.7 passing and 424.7 rusing, giving us a 58.6 and 41.4 pass to run split

Looking at those numbers, it's a very fair, realistic and balanced offensive split especially for a pass oriented team.


Drew Brees averages 20 rush attempts per year and its fairly consistent.

So take the initial 424 plays and reduce it by 20 right off the top.
Now let's just put it at an even 400, taking into account an occasional wide receiver reverse, gadget plays etc.

400 estimated rushing attempts.

Now the Saints are not totally devoid of talent at the running back position.

For Ingram to get 250 rushing attempts, he would have to receive 62.5% of the rushing attempts.

I'm not sure the Saints would lean on a rookie that significantly.. especially with some quality running backs in P.Thomas, Sproles and eventually Ivory getting their touches.

I'd look more at Adrian Peterson's rookie year as an example where he split carries in an almost straight up 50/50 split in rushing attempts.

So giving Ingram 50% of the rushing attempts by running backs, he'd have 200 rushing attempts.

As a team the Saints over the last 2 years have ran the ball at an average of 4.5 and 4.0 per rush respectively.

That puts Ingram anywhere from 800-900 yards rushing.

The pass catching stats would be extremely difficult to come up with considering injuries and such over the last few years to Bush and Pierre.
but I don't see 20-30 receptions at a 7.0 clip to be out of question.

That would lead me to believe that 140 to 210 receiving yards isn't ridiculous to think would happen.

That puts me at a 940 total yfs to 1010 total yfs as a realistic expectation, barring no missed time.

Touchdowns are variable but 6-10 would be a realistic expectation.


So if I'm looking at it realistically, 940 total yfs and 6 TD's would be my floor and 1010 total yfs and 10 TD's as my ceiling (This year).

[OrdoAbchao]

Which defense do I keep out of these 2? Baltimore or NO? I know Balt used to be the pick for D back in the day, but I think they have gotten old now.

Also, I am trying to pick up Jason Snelling off the waivers because I feel like every year Turner is an injury risk and Snelling is a proven bad ass if he gets the carries. Can anyone aware me on Jerome Simpson of Cincy and if I need to keep him? I usually try to drop mediocre players on my bench that will not have a break out year and get some handcuffs or people that have potential to really put up some numbers if given the opportunity.

Reps for some solid advice.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Do I Go Through With This Blockbuster Trade?

10 man league, .5 point PPR, We start 3 WR's, 2 RB's and a flex


I trade: Ray Rice


I recieve: Vincent Jackson, Jahvid Best, Knowshon Moreno


My RB's are Rice, McFadden, Hightower, Stewart, McGahee

My WR's are Welker, Harvin, Britt, Sims-Walker, Steve Smith, Mike Thomas


It would give me a bonafide #1 WR and a starting core of Jackson, Welker, Harvin

Would also give me more depth at RB

But I think Rice could be the #1 fantasy football player this year. Just hard to part with him.

What would you do?


PS. My other concern is that I will have 3 injury prone starters at RB (McFadden, Best, Moreno)

[OrdoAbchao]

Do I Go Through With This Blockbuster Trade?

10 man league, .5 point PPR, We start 3 WR's, 2 RB's and a flex


I trade: Ray Rice


I recieve: Vincent Jackson, Jahvid Best, Knowshon Moreno


My RB's are Rice, McFadden, Hightower, Stewart, McGahee

My WR's are Welker, Harvin, Britt, Sims-Walker, Steve Smith, Mike Thomas


It would give me a bonafide #1 WR and a starting core of Jackson, Welker, Harvin

Would also give me more depth at RB

But I think Rice could be the #1 fantasy football player this year. Just hard to part with him.

What would you do?


PS. My other concern is that I will have 3 injury prone starters at RB (McFadden, Best, Moreno)

I'm not a FF guru, but I would do it for VJ and Best alone...Moreno is just bonus

[Nainoa]

Well, we finally drafted, and I got absolutely run ragged at QB, they were flying off the board, and I decided to wait on Matt Ryan, who went a couple of picks before I wanted, so I'm in a little hole straight out of the gate. Since it's got the offensive flex, and obviously scoring systems are fairly favourable to QBs, it's essentially a 2 QB league, anyway, see what you think. Stocked up in a couple of other positions to hopefully alleviate a bit of the concern, and have some potential tradebait. Here goes:

QB - Cutler
RB - Charles, DMC, Felix Jones, Ryan Grant, Jason Snelling, Javon Ringer, Jerome Harrison
WR - Jennings, DeSean Jackson, Steve Johnson, Manningham, Harvin
TE - Jared Cook
D/ST - Cowboys
K - Gostkowski

Thoughts?

Well if it's a 2QB league you're in a hell of a lot of trouble.

You're going to haev to look at trade package that sends Snelling, Ringer or Harrison... To the owner of their handcuffs probably packaged with a WR like Harvin.

You might also run into trouble in that you have other people's handcuffs but none of your own...

If you fix those two things (Possibly at the same time?) And you build an altar out of chicken bones so you can more effectively worship the dark Gods you will need to invoke the dark gods responsible for Jared Cook emerging as an elite TE... Then I think you're pointed at a Championship playoff run.

But if you don't at least fix those two weak spots, you're gonna get your scabs picked all season long till you bleed out around week 12-14.

[BeReal23]

How'd I do my first time ever? 10 teams, 6th pick

QB -Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning
RB -Ray Rice, DeAngelo Williams, Mike Tolbert
WR - Reggie Wayne, Mario Manningham, Santonio Holmes, A.J. Green, Jerome Simpson, Jordy Nelson
TE -Dallas Clark (traded Gates for Clark. Might've been a bad move but Clark is a personal fave and had a whole season to heal up)
K -Mason Crosby
DEF -Baltimore


What do I need to work on?

[Future24]

Okay crazy reps to whoever gives me advice. This league is a $125 buy in so it means a lot. I had the 3rd pick in a 12 team draft. AP and Rice were first two. Fosters hammy scared me away.

This is my team:
http://i54.tinypic.com/5ttmon.png

I passed on Blount to grab Bradshaw..should I try to do a swap?

Also this is how the league scoring is? It's a little weird.
http://i52.tinypic.com/13ygdms.jpg

Should I offer Jacobs+Bradshaw for Blount? Or just wait it out til the beginning of the season. I'm not too happy with my RBs. I love my WRs. Harvin-Williams-Vjax will produce and I think floyd and Lance Moore will be good back ups.

The only reason I haven't freaked out yet is because it seems more and more likely that James Starks will be the starter in a couple of weeks and GB likes him catching the ball now too. So I can see him sneaking into the starting line up if Bradshaw and Jacobs are killing each other.

[Vlps5122]

12 team 1 PPR. I was 11 of 12

QB: Schaub, Cutler
WR: L. Fitz, H. Nicks, B. Lloyd, N. Burleson, E. Sanders (Pit)
RB: J. Best, T. Hightower, M. Lynch, B. Tate
TE: O. Daniels, L. Kendricks (my sleeper this year)
D/St: Eagles

1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 RB/WR/TE flex, Def, K

great wrs for a 12 man easily the best, slightly lacking at RB but overall solid team


10 team PPR - 6th pick

QB: Peyton, Cassell
RB: McFadden, Blount, Shonne Greene, Fred Jackson, Michael Bush, Cadillac
WR: Miles Austin, A. Johnson, B. Lloyd, Sims-Walker
TE: Owen Daniels
Kicker - Rackers, Vinatieri
D- Chicago, Oakland

1 qb
2 rb
2wr
1 te
1 flex
kicker
defense

I'm worried about my RB's.

great team, wouldnt worry bout rbs, greene will put up great numbers nd blount will put up solid numbers as well, dmac will as well if he stays healthy, ur recievers are great as well. solid team.


I had my money league draft this past Sunday and had the 3rd pick. For the weeks leading up to the draft I had decided that I was going to take Rice if I had a pick in the 3-6 range and was able to land him. Well the draft came around and for some reason I changed my mind at the last second and drafted Charles over Rice. I have talked to the guy that has Rice and he is willing to trade Rice for Charles straight up. He said he liked Charles more because Rice has to play Pitt twice. So, if I wait til after week 1 to propose the trade I may not be able to get Rice since we play week 1 and Rice plays Pitt in week 1. Charles schedule is weak to start the year off but gets pretty tough towards the end of the year.

I am higher on Rice than Charles for these reasons:
1.) I think Charles has higher upside but Rice is the safer pick. I don't mind taking risks in fantasy, but I don't want to take too much risks and I have Peyton and Stafford at QB which can be risky but could end up being huge for me if they are healthy this year.

2.) I think my team is easily good enough to make the fantasy playoffs with either RB and Rice has a much better playoff schedule than Charles.

3.) Rice should see more goalline carries than Charles this year.

So what do you guys think? Would you trade for Rice before week 1 to be sure to get him, wait for a few weeks and try to trade Charles when his stock should be high, or keep Charles all year?

i would make the trade. rice will be putting up the best numbers this yr.


Which defense do I keep out of these 2? Baltimore or NO? I know Balt used to be the pick for D back in the day, but I think they have gotten old now.

Also, I am trying to pick up Jason Snelling off the waivers because I feel like every year Turner is an injury risk and Snelling is a proven bad ass if he gets the carries. Can anyone aware me on Jerome Simpson of Cincy and if I need to keep him? I usually try to drop mediocre players on my bench that will not have a break out year and get some handcuffs or people that have potential to really put up some numbers if given the opportunity.

Reps for some solid advice.

its too soon to call, dont worry about defense so much. if u really want my opinion pick up arizona up until thier bye week @6, guarentee their on ur waiver look for them to put up big numbers with their easy schedule at first. i like them week 1 against car with the new qb situation, week 2 WAS another bad qb situation, same thing week 3, week 4 NYG eli playing bad, week 5 MIN same situation.


Do I Go Through With This Blockbuster Trade?

10 man league, .5 point PPR, We start 3 WR's, 2 RB's and a flex


I trade: Ray Rice


I recieve: Vincent Jackson, Jahvid Best, Knowshon Moreno


My RB's are Rice, McFadden, Hightower, Stewart, McGahee

My WR's are Welker, Harvin, Britt, Sims-Walker, Steve Smith, Mike Thomas


It would give me a bonafide #1 WR and a starting core of Jackson, Welker, Harvin

Would also give me more depth at RB

But I think Rice could be the #1 fantasy football player this year. Just hard to part with him.

What would you do?


PS. My other concern is that I will have 3 injury prone starters at RB (McFadden, Best, Moreno)

would not do it. ur basically starting hightower in flex regardless and the downgrade from dmac to best will probably cancel any upgrade u make at wr. u can definitely get more imo for rice.


How'd I do my first time ever with minimal research?

QB -Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning
RB -Ray Rice, DeAngelo Williams, Mike Tolbert
WR - Reggie Wayne, Mario Manningham, Santonio Holmes
TE -Dallas Clark (traded Gates for Clark. Might've been a bad move but Clark is a personal fave and had a whole season to heal up)
K -Mason Crosby
DEF -Baltimore

how many players? id say u did okay, u definitely made a bad move giving up gates for clark though. even if u like clark deep down, that doesnt change the fact that gates is a more valuable player. if u really wanted clark u could have gotten him + more on top of that u let the guy push u to easy. as i said ur team is okay, need to know what ur league starts and how many players in the league. rbs worry me, d williams imo will have a good yr but tolbert as a flex could be bad news. ur wrs are okay no standout players tho.


Should I offer Jacobs+Bradshaw for Blount? Or just wait it out til the beginning of the season. I'm not too happy with my RBs. I love my WRs. Harvin-Williams-Vjax will produce and I think floyd and Lance Moore will be good back ups.

The only reason I haven't freaked out yet is because it seems more and more likely that James Starks will be the starter in a couple of weeks and GB likes him catching the ball now too. So I can see him sneaking into the starting line up if Bradshaw and Jacobs are killing each other.

stick with bradshaw and jacobs. im not that high on blount like everyone else. first of all hes not a recieving back hes gunna be an all rushing back and also the team has said he wont be their third down back, so expect his 2010 6 tds to stay about the same.

[Shangius]

youplaywithabunchofretards/10.

I haven't seen either McCoy or McFadden make it out of the 1st round, and you apparently got them in the 2nd and 3rd. IF Johnson comes back, your team looks like a powerhouse. If not, things are interesting. I'm not a fan of Eli as a starter. He had a pretty quiet 4,000 yards, and he throws too many picks. I'd look to upgrade if possible. At WR, I worry about Maclin. I know he is supposed to play, but he can't possibly be anywhere near 100% in strength and conditioning. OTOH, you still have Marshall on the bench, so it's not a huge concern. All in all, though, pretty solid.



I may be wrong, but it looks like a auction draft with a studs and duds strategy.

Nope it was snake draft. Looks like there literally is only two contenders in the whole league.

I may be able to sneak Tony Romo away from a retard who drafted him in the 3rd along with Rodgers in the 1st.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

would not do it. ur basically starting hightower in flex regardless and the downgrade from dmac to best will probably cancel any upgrade u make at wr. u can definitely get more imo for rice.



Don't you think Moreno could be an upgrade at the Flex over hightower though? I'm high on hightower this year but i'm also high on Moreno (I'm a broncos fan, I'm biased). If nothing else, it would give me a ton of depth at RB with McFadden, Best, Moreno, Hightower, Stewart. That's 4 #1's plus guy who would be a top 12 back if DeAngelo Williams goes down


My biggest concern is the injury factor with those 3 RB's though

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Do I Go Through With This Blockbuster Trade?

10 man league, .5 point PPR, We start 3 WR's, 2 RB's and a flex


I trade: Ray Rice


I recieve: Vincent Jackson, Jahvid Best, Knowshon Moreno


My RB's are Rice, McFadden, Hightower, Stewart, McGahee

My WR's are Welker, Harvin, Britt, Sims-Walker, Steve Smith, Mike Thomas


It would give me a bonafide #1 WR and a starting core of Jackson, Welker, Harvin

Would also give me more depth at RB

But I think Rice could be the #1 fantasy football player this year. Just hard to part with him.

What would you do?


PS. My other concern is that I will have 3 injury prone starters at RB (McFadden, Best, Moreno)


OK update. Have another offer on the table.

I trade: Ray Rice, Kevin Kolb, + one of my bench recievers

I recieve: Peyton Hillis, Peyton Manning, Brandon Marshall.


My QB's are currently Stafford and Kolb. I think Stafford will have a big year if he's healthy, but both of those guys are pretty unproven commodities, and you know what you're getting with Manning.



Now i'm really confused. Don't know whether to keep rice, go with option a or option b.

[Nainoa]

How'd I do my first time ever? 10 teams, 6th pick

QB -Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning
RB -Ray Rice, DeAngelo Williams, Mike Tolbert
WR - Reggie Wayne, Mario Manningham, Santonio Holmes, A.J. Green, Jerome Simpson, Jordy Nelson
TE -Dallas Clark (traded Gates for Clark. Might've been a bad move but Clark is a personal fave and had a whole season to heal up)
K -Mason Crosby
DEF -Baltimore


What do I need to work on?

Can't say that I like the gates-clark trade as now you're over invested in Indy... Unless you're starting 3-4 WR's in a PPR to give WR's much higher than average value... Then your RB corp is weak.

Assuming Palmer isn't coming back... AJ Green has more hype than value in a Seasonal only league.

[Nainoa]

Sounds like Foster's hammy is worse than originally thought... If you haven't already Foster and Running back desperate teams should find a way to make room for Ben Tate.

This is the sort of Hammy injury that lingers on a RB like it did on Forte in 09 and Moreno in 10!

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Nainoa, what do you think of the trades I listed a few posts above? I have 2 trades I'm considering for Ray Rice, really in a pickle right now lol

[dirtdickens]

Fellas I picked up Ward tonight. The info on Foster isnt sounding good, likely a nagger.

Grade two injury, slight tear in the hammy that will take a month to heal. Grab DWard or BTate in all leagues. Likely going to split early on with Tate coming back from his own season long injury and Ward has already proven himself to Kube last season, which is a big deal to that staff.
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Also regarding all the Marshall talk above I got this from my premium site. Clears up a lot about last seaon:Miami Dolphins WR Brandon Marshall admitted that his 2010 offseason hip surgery left him less than 100 percent last year and "his body was never right." He went into 2010 without participating in his usual offseason conditioning program.

[YellowOnYellow]

Grade two injury, slight tear in the hammy that will take a month to heal. Grab DWard or BTate in all leagues. Likely going to split early on with Tate coming back from his own season long injury and Ward has already proven himself to Kube last season, which is a big deal to that staff.
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Also regarding all the Marshall talk above I got this from my premium site. Clears up a lot about last seaon:Miami Dolphins WR Brandon Marshall admitted that his 2010 offseason hip surgery left him less than 100 percent last year and "his body was never right." He went into 2010 without participating in his usual offseason conditioning program.

Last season was the hip. This season he gets shanked by his crazy wife. Don't know if it will affect him. Where he get shanked at btw?

[Shaun113]

How do you guys think Beanie Wells will perform? I grabbed him as a bench RB.

[HueGrection]

I've got the 5th pick in my draft tonight. Who do I take?

[_Translucency]

I've got the 5th pick in my draft tonight. Who do I take?

Depends on who is there.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

Grade two injury, slight tear in the hammy that will take a month to heal. Grab DWard or BTate in all leagues. Likely going to split early on with Tate coming back from his own season long injury and Ward has already proven himself to Kube last season, which is a big deal to that staff.
.


Source on the grade 2 tear?


Just dropped McGahee for Tate

[HueGrection]

Depends on who is there.

was set on taking Vick but read thread and decided against it. Would you take Ray Rice, Jamal Charles or Aaron Rodgers?

[ThaWorldIsYours]

was set on taking Vick but read thread and decided against it. Would you take Ray Rice, Jamal Charles or Aaron Rodgers?

Rice

[dirtdickens]

Source on the grade 2 tear?


Just dropped McGahee for Tate
Thehuddle.com, very reliable site.

Also reporters from Tenn are tweeting that the Titans arent budging from their 20mill/8mill offer to CJ2K and he is not willing to accept deal. Seriously time to move on Titan and Texan backup RBs before your opposition does. This is the type of stuff that wins leagues.

[Nainoa]

OK update. Have another offer on the table.

I trade: Ray Rice, Kevin Kolb, + one of my bench recievers

I recieve: Peyton Hillis, Peyton Manning, Brandon Marshall.


My QB's are currently Stafford and Kolb. I think Stafford will have a big year if he's healthy, but both of those guys are pretty unproven commodities, and you know what you're getting with Manning.



Now i'm really confused. Don't know whether to keep rice, go with option a or option b.

I can't say that I like that trade at all.

Of the top 5 backs (Especially if it's PPR) Ray Rice is the back I like the best... Good schedule, great rushing schedule and he's the only one that hasn't been over worked to the point of breakdown worries.

Plus Stafford is prone to injury... Hillis has an uphill climb in front of him this year... Peyton's neck thing ????? Profit???? and Brandon Marshall is sad a lot.

Sounds like someone else is trying to trade you his question marks for your exclamation points...

I'd stand pat.

[Nainoa]

Source on the grade 2 tear?


Just dropped McGahee for Tate

Yeah tate is the one to own between him and Ward...

Sure they'll split time while Foster is on the mend. But Tate has the talent to be a better fit... The only times Ward has EVER looked good in his career was spot duty, garbage time or in RBBC's.


Speaking as a guy who played DE semi-pro... I had a grade 2 tear in my right hammy early in the season and missed 2 weeks... Played the rest of the season and it would YIKES me at random times... And then at every Yikes, it would ache/sting, and it felt like someone stapled a cheap steak to the bottom of my ass cheek that slowed me down.

And that was as a power rushing Defensive End... That's got to linger and/or hamper a 1 cut and go RB like foster.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

I can't say that I like that trade at all.

Of the top 5 backs (Especially if it's PPR) Ray Rice is the back I like the best... Good schedule, great rushing schedule and he's the only one that hasn't been over worked to the point of breakdown worries.

Plus Stafford is prone to injury... Hillis has an uphill climb in front of him this year... Peyton's neck thing ????? Profit???? and Brandon Marshall is sad a lot.

Sounds like someone else is trying to trade you his question marks for your exclamation points...

I'd stand pat.


Yeah I agree on all those points, we already squashed that deal

How do you feel about the other trade?

Rice for VJ/Moreno/Best


My WR's are Welker, Harvin, Britt, Sims-Walker, Steve Smith (CAR), Mike Thomas
My RB's are Rice, McFadden, Hightower, Stewart, and Ben Tate (just grabbed him and dropped McGahee after the Foster news)


I think I will probably stand pat with Rice, but that offer is intriguing. If it wasn't for the injury concerns of Best and Moreno I might jump on it. It's compounded by the fact I already own McFadden who is prone to injury.

[HueGrection]

That's got to linger and/or hamper a 1 cut and go RB like foster.

Let's say that this hammie problem scares the top 4 picks away from drafting Foster. Would you then take him at 5 if available?

[Vlps5122]

Let's say that this hammie problem scares the top 4 picks away from drafting Foster. Would you then take him at 5 if available?

id take him at 5 most likely

[Vlps5122]

OK update. Have another offer on the table.

I trade: Ray Rice, Kevin Kolb, + one of my bench recievers

I recieve: Peyton Hillis, Peyton Manning, Brandon Marshall.


My QB's are currently Stafford and Kolb. I think Stafford will have a big year if he's healthy, but both of those guys are pretty unproven commodities, and you know what you're getting with Manning.



Now i'm really confused. Don't know whether to keep rice, go with option a or option b.

dont like that trade. u dont need peyton, im not very high on peyton this yr i agree with u stafford will do great. so ur trading rice + bench wr for hillis and marshall. i mean its just my opinion that rice will put up #1 rb numbers so i just dontlike getting tier 2 guys for him. i think u could get a low end tier 1 wr and hillis for him. guys like mike wallace, vjax, jennings

[Vlps5122]

Let's say that this hammie problem scares the top 4 picks away from drafting Foster. Would you then take him at 5 if available?

i actualy dnt really know thats such a hard thing to decide. i most likely would not pick foster even going 5th tbh. ur looking at a guy that before last yr no one knew his name. now hes got a lingering hammy problem less then 2 weeks till the season starts. eh, go safe stick with a guy like mendy which will put up solid rb 1 numbers.

[HueGrection]

eh, go safe stick with a guy like mendy which will put up solid rb 1 numbers.

Mendenhall at 5 in front of a Rice or Charles?

[Vlps5122]

Mendenhall at 5 in front of a Rice or Charles?

rice or charles is not gunna last to 5 unless ur playing with pathetic guys

[YellowOnYellow]

Mendenhall at 5 in front of a Rice or Charles?

Again charles will not be at 5 unless your league is full of idiots/women. Rice eould be ideal at 5 but might not be there either.

[cudder]

so foster has a hammy tear? i feel for all the owners who picked him.

[JetLife21]

i actualy dnt really know thats such a hard thing to decide. i most likely would not pick foster even going 5th tbh. ur looking at a guy that before last yr no one knew his name. now hes got a lingering hammy problem less then 2 weeks till the season starts. eh, go safe stick with a guy like mendy which will put up solid rb 1 numbers.

I think Mendy has some questions going in to this year as well tho. He had 347 touches last year and we all know about the curse of 350. The Steelers offensive line is pretty weak also.

[Onita]

so foster has a hammy tear? i feel for all the owners who picked him.

He was the #2 pick in my league... last night.

[cudder]

He was the #2 pick in my league... last night.
the person who picked first must feel awesome now
just picked up tate. awwww yeahhhh.

[ThaWorldIsYours]

I think Mendy has some questions going in to this year as well tho. He had 347 touches last year and we all know about the curse of 350. The Steelers offensive line is pretty weak also.


Curse of 370 haha

[Nainoa]

Let's say that this hammie problem scares the top 4 picks away from drafting Foster. Would you then take him at 5 if available?

Honestly... And I know this is unpopular...

But for one I'm not sold on Foster's cinderella season being the norm instead of a fluke... Even healthy I'm not 110% sure he doesn't turn back into a pumpkin.

For two... This is EXACTLY the kind of hammy injury that lingers/hampers for a full season with an RB

For three... It sounds like he's not taking it seriously... Which means he's not going to take a great work ethic approach to his rehab.

This has Forte 2009 and Moreno 2010 written all over it...

I'm gonna rank him at #10
:eek:

[peteypistol]

arian fosters mom on a forum 2 hours ago.... no joke she actually writes on a forum lol

"Surely what I tell you about Arian won't speed around the internet like his tweets did, but this is getting beyond crazy!

Arian has a great sense of humor. Does everyone get it? No, but it's there and if you talk to him in person, you'll see it immediately. The pic of his hammy was from the day after the SF game. The white stuff is probably just fluid. There was no tear and he is fine. He's been cleared of anything major and now will just ease back when he's feeling ready.

My advice to him was to be true to himself. Will everyone like it? No. But I don't believe he should live his life in accordance to anyone else, as long as he is not breaking laws or bringing shame and embarrassment to the Texans organization, his wife and daughter, or us as a family. As his mother, I just want him to remain who he is.

Arian is not one to be changed by income. Is it wonderful for him to be able to provide for himself, wife and daughter? Absolutely! But never if it is going to change who he is as a human being...above and beyond football.

I read the mega thread about this whole thing. Y'all can choose to believe me or not...it's your call, but Arian is more driven and passionate about this game than most will ever know. You should be able to tell that by his reaction to Fantasy Football. He understands the draw and popularity but he sees the change in the fandom because of it. He and his brother played football since they were 7 & 9 years old. They grew up around it. Their dad played in college and had a brief stint with the Broncos back in the late 70's, early 80's. It's what we all loved to do as a family. Watch, play or talk about football. Even before Arian attended the University of Tennessee, we were SEC folks all the way. Ok, Florida State too.

On New Year's Day, our family tradition was to get up early and watch Bowl games all day long. I fixed huge pots of green chile stew and red chile posole and we ate and watched football. It's what we do.

My dad was an avid football watcher but he loved the Redskins. He taught me all there was to know about the game at an early age but allowed me to pick my own team. So in the 6th grade, I became a Raider fan. My daughter, who's 29, is still a die hard Raider fan because of me. My other son latched onto the 49ers.(?) We enjoyed the hard core rivalries growing up. It is tradition with us and truly the one thing that bonds us all still to this day.

I say all this only to explain to you that Arian loves the game. He knows about fandom. Hell, one time the Raiders were playing the Chargers when Kellen Winslow (Sr.) was killing us at the end of the game. I screamed at the TV that I hoped he would break a leg. To my horror, he did get injured and if I remember correctly, it was serious enough to alter his career. I learned my lesson. I've never done it since and it made me look at players in a whole different light. I swear it affected me deeply. So when my sons started to play the game, I worked really hard to make sure that folks knew they were PEOPLE first, players as a secondary thing. I preached to my sons that a football player was not who they are, but something that they do.

That's why I know this game and all its byproducts, good and bad, will not change who Arian Foster is. So relax. He's a good guy with good intentions and if he screws up again, you know then he's just like the rest of us.

***Forgive the long post*** "




i wouldnt worry brahs. the ESPN report is by a doctor who hasnt spoken to foster, and looked at a small grainy picture on twitter. The whole tweet was just foster joking around, and its been reported by a buncha diff websites. That being said, ofcourse u draft Tate as a handcuff

[litljay]

SH!T. I picked up Foster 2 Saturday's ago. I also picked Tate up in round 15 though.

[beepbeep]

arian fosters mom on a forum 2 hours ago.... no joke she actually writes on a forum lol
Such a weird family... My big money draft is next Monday, so hopefully all this will be settled by then.

[PotKettleBlack]

Well if it's a 2QB league you're in a hell of a lot of trouble.

You're going to haev to look at trade package that sends Snelling, Ringer or Harrison... To the owner of their handcuffs probably packaged with a WR like Harvin.

You might also run into trouble in that you have other people's handcuffs but none of your own...

If you fix those two things (Possibly at the same time?) And you build an altar out of chicken bones so you can more effectively worship the dark Gods you will need to invoke the dark gods responsible for Jared Cook emerging as an elite TE... Then I think you're pointed at a Championship playoff run.

But if you don't at least fix those two weak spots, you're gonna get your scabs picked all season long till you bleed out around week 12-14.

That's what I thought. I waited late on both QBs and TEs and got screwed out of them in both positions. You said basically what I had expected to hear. I'm in a bit of a spot, and need some trades. The reason I got the handcuffs was because I think that they all have trade value as starters because I don't expect CJ to sign, and Best isn't lasting the full season, so Harrison can come into play then. I just need to make sure I capitalise if/when I can.

I've put an offer out there of DeSean Jackson and DMC for Phillip Rivers to a guy who owns Rivers/Romo/Kolb, and hope he's gonna bite. I know trading two of my starters isn't ideal, but I am really high on Felix Jones this year, and I own him, as well as Grant, and I have fill ins at WR2 to replace DeSean, and the upgrade of me acquiring Rivers is worth it. Since my team is dramatically better. I'm not happy with Cutler either, but I think as QB2 with the rest of my team I can live with it.

There are other TEs available. I was considering making an offer for Brandon Pettigrew who is a backup TE on someone's roster, but I don't want two rostered TEs, and I am high on Cook being decent this year. I'll keep you updated, as I have sent out three trade offers that will hopefully at least be countered rather than ignored.


I've got the 5th pick in my draft tonight. Who do I take?

It dpeends who is available really. I'd expect that AP/Charles/Rice are all gone, so I'd probably look at a McCoy type, even though that's a little high. I don't really want to be taking a QB that early, and I'm not convinced about Foster or CJ at this point at all.


Thehuddle.com, very reliable site.

Also reporters from Tenn are tweeting that the Titans arent budging from their 20mill/8mill offer to CJ2K and he is not willing to accept deal. Seriously time to move on Titan and Texan backup RBs before your opposition does. This is the type of stuff that wins leagues.

Good news for me, Ringer's trade value goes up!


Mendenhall at 5 in front of a Rice or Charles?

Too eary for him there. IMO.

[MarkHenry25]

how do you guys feel about julio jones, jermichael finley, phillip rivers?

[Nainoa]

[QUOTE=PotKettleBlack;743708983]That's what I thought. I waited late on both QBs and TEs and got screwed out of them in both positions. You said basically what I had expected to hear. I'm in a bit of a spot, and need some trades. The reason I got the handcuffs was because I think that they all have trade value as starters because I don't expect CJ to sign, and Best isn't lasting the full season, so Harrison can come into play then. I just need to make sure I capitalise if/when I can.

I've put an offer out there of DeSean Jackson and DMC for Phillip Rivers to a guy who owns Rivers/Romo/Kolb, and hope he's gonna bite. I know trading two of my starters isn't ideal, but I am really high on Felix Jones this year, and I own him, as well as Grant, and I have fill ins at WR2 to replace DeSean, and the upgrade of me acquiring Rivers is worth it. Since my team is dramatically better. I'm not happy with Cutler either, but I think as QB2 with the rest of my team I can live with it.

There are other TEs available. I was considering making an offer for Brandon Pettigrew who is a backup TE on someone's roster, but I don't want two rostered TEs, and I am high on Cook being decent this year. I'll keep you updated, as I have sent out three trade offers that will hopefully at least be countered rather than ignored.
[QUOTE]

My advice as a professional negotiator... Here's what I would do...

Look at CJ's owner and Turner's owner's rosters...

You have the handcuffs that have the most value... AND those are the top two guys who should have a quiver in their liver over hold out and injury issues.

Then tweak their nipples like a sagging bessie and see what you can get out of them in either the #2 QB or STARTING TE pool...

And I don't mean just "Give their rosters a casual look" I mean "Stare at those Mofo's like Michaelangelo staring at a hunk of goddam marble."

Report back on the statue you see inside before making an offer.
;)

[dirtdickens]

Julio Jones = Braylon Edwards JR.

[MarkHenry25]

how do you guys feel about julio jones, jermichael finley, phillip rivers?

Anyone?