Members abusing the testing offered by companies

[fitnfirm]

We have a member who applied for 2 testing opps on the same day minutes from each other . The member Pitching101 was accepted for both opportunities on 6/07/2009 but failed to choose just one log to run. He has had product shipped from BBS and NPL and only logging NPL. Pitching 101 sent me a PM stating he was going to be out of town and could not start his log until he came back, which was a lie seeing how he started the NPL log on 6/20/09 and kept me believing he was out of town until I decided to research posts to see if he was around yet. I have posted in his log for NPL asking him to explain and included a copy of his PM to me which you will see at the bottom, no answer yet but NPL did PM me asking me WHY I am posting in that log with information that does not have anything to do with NPL :rolleyes:

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Application for BBS Phoenix Tester Thread

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=340636021&postcount=36

Post showing he was chosen by NPL

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=340559161&postcount=54 10:57 PM 6/07/2009


Application for BBS

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=340010211&postcount=22


Link to NPL Log started on 6/20/2009

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=347471671#post347471671


Link to post that I made questioning his intentions

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=347471671&postcount=10

[antihero]

uh oh. he better duck and cover from the wrath of kathy.

[MBSowards]

Post up a link to this in the blacklist thread so no one else will get screwed by him.

If stuff like this didn't happen imagine the types of promos companies would be able to offer.

[fitnfirm]

Post up a link to this in the blacklist thread so no one else will get screwed by him.

If stuff like this didn't happen imagine the types of promos companies would be able to offer.

that will be coming soon .

[MBSowards]

that will be coming soon .

Sorry you guys got screwed. If it makes you feel better Phoenix is a pretty banging product.

[fitnfirm]

Sorry you guys got screwed. If it makes you feel better Phoenix is a pretty banging product.

That is what happens when you give someone their FIRST chance to log :rolleyes:

[_NimbusTim_]

Unfortunately this happens way too often. It sounds bad, but most people I choose to run Nimbus logs are those who have been around a while. I have been took multiple times by people like this.

I had a guy Jeremy something who won a Blast promo as well as a Sportpharma log and skipped out on both.

I would love to share his shipping info with other companys to see if he came back as a different name.

Sorry to hear Kathy.

[TheLBM]

DAMN testers. :(
They all suck. I think you should just send me all the stuff you want tested.
Shoot,,,,, i dont have a life, I make an amazing tester.
:D

[glenjammin]

I hate people who take advantage of the system. Right now I have a friend who refuses to work because he makes more money sitting at home playing video games then he would working. Sorry that happened to you.

[cal62887]

I can think of 3 people off the top of my head that have outstanding logs that they need to do for me :(

It's dissapointing

[fitnfirm]

Unfortunately this happens way too often. It sounds bad, but most people I choose to run Nimbus logs are those who have been around a while. I have been took multiple times by people like this.

I had a guy Jeremy something who won a Blast promo as well as a Sportpharma log and skipped out on both.

I would love to share his shipping info with other companys to see if he came back as a different name.

Sorry to hear Kathy.


Send me dairy queen to make me better :p



DAMN testers. :(
They all suck. I think you should just send me all the stuff you want tested.
Shoot,,,,, i dont have a life, I make an amazing tester.
:D

Can you test some Kotex for me ? :D






:p

[MBSowards]

I can think of 3 people off the top of my head that have outstanding logs that they need to do for me :(

It's dissapointing

I know I am on that list. Upon arrival of product I will begin said log.

[joakman]

I can think of 3 people off the top of my head that have outstanding logs that they need to do for me :(

It's dissapointing

I have 5-6 :(

[chasinSKURT]

I have 5-6 :(

inches?

[TheLBM]

Send me dairy queen to make me better :p

Can you test some Kotex for me ? :D

:p

The company you rep for is REALLY diversified,products for multiple orifices :eek:
Can i get those from the store on here? :D


inches?

In girth i would imagine

[Free Weight Friedel]

Kathy, your links are messed up!


Bad Form by Pitching!

[fitnfirm]

Kathy, your links are messed up!


Bad Form by Pitching!

they work for me, must be your too old :D

[fitnfirm]

I have 5-6 :(

I would not be advertising this info :D

[Free Weight Friedel]

they work for me, must be your too old :D

I did not say they do not work. I said they're messed up. You have the wrong link under the descriptions.:p

[fitnfirm]

I did not say they do not work. I said they're messed up. You have the wrong link under the descriptions.:p

blow me :mad:

[Free Weight Friedel]

blow me :mad:

Strap-On?

Awesome!:D

[joakman]

I would not be advertising this info :D

I meant 5-6 people owe me logs

[longhorns_p]

Grrrrrr! http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif BBS has been so generous!

[DedicatedToLift]

I'm sorry to hear that FnF, I hate it when people are selfish and do this crap. I'd suggest recommending him for the blacklist.

Oh, and I heard the weather forecast is cloudy with a 50% chance of negs :D

[fitnfirm]

I'm sorry to hear that FnF, I hate it when people are selfish and do this crap. I'd suggest recommending him for the blacklist.

Oh, and I heard the weather forecast is cloudy with a 50% chance of negs :D

only 50% you heard ? You heard WRONG !!!! :D

[Twin Towers]

we got hit with a small rash of people on PHF that earned logging opportunities and ran off once the product was delivered. Some of which decided to sign up with multiple accounts (thus earning multiple products)

irritating would be a severe understatement

[DedicatedToLift]

only 50% you heard ? You heard WRONG !!!! :D

Well you know those weathermen.....always wrong hahaha. By the way, how is the BBS business taking off? You guys have been putting out some good stuff!

[fitnfirm]

we got hit with a small rash of people on PHF that earned logging opportunities and ran off once the product was delivered. Some of which decided to sign up with multiple accounts (thus earning multiple products)

irritating would be a severe understatement

Well maybe they forget we have their address :confused:

[Twin Towers]

Well maybe they forget we have their address :confused:

which leads me to my next question...............is there anything illegal about posting said addy on a public forum? law, liability or otherwise?

[ksujosh6]

these kinds of people make us companies not give new members a shot to prove their worth on the forums

[Twin Towers]

these kinds of people make us companies not give new members a shot to prove their worth on the forums

pretty much....it's sad

[Illadelphia]

WHO AM I NEGGING :cool:

[JH34PG]

sorry to hear bout this guys...tough to trust people these days...dont worry josh...got ya covered

[fitnfirm]

which leads me to my next question...............is there anything illegal about posting said addy on a public forum? law, liability or otherwise?

yes, you cannot do it.

[ksujosh6]

sorry to hear bout this guys...tough to trust people these days...dont worry josh...got ya covered

your close to 9k posts proves you aren't here to scam and are willing to help people through answers/reviews/logs

[fitnfirm]

WHO AM I NEGGING :cool:

The member in question is pitching101, I have yet to hear an explanation as well .

[ksujosh6]

The member in question is pitching101, I have yet to hear an explanation as well .

neg gun is also loaded kathy...waiting for a legitimate answer from him

[JH34PG]

your close to 9k posts proves you aren't here to scam and are willing to help people through answers/reviews/logs

thanks bro...may sound weird but i really wanna be a company rep...but obv for companies were im familiar with their products...

[ksujosh6]

thanks bro...may sound weird but i really wanna be a company rep...but obv for companies were im familiar with their products...

just keep your path....companies see these things and will come knocking...

[40-Yard Dash_2]

While you guys and gals are busy righting wrongs here at bb.com, do you think you have time to bring about world peace?

[fitnfirm]

While you guys and gals are busy righting wrongs here at bb.com, do you think you have time to bring about world peace?

go back to your legos little one :rolleyes:

[40-Yard Dash_2]

go back to your legos little one :rolleyes:

Yes ma'am. :(

[Twin Towers]

yes, you cannot do it.

well by all means, we need to keep the thieves protected right :rolleyes:

[snub115]

Makes sense why companies only pick qualified loggers from before, i really hate people who do this. Especially those who apply to every single promo, this is why i think companies should make a requirement to do one log at a time or something but even then who knows.

Hope you get a decent response to this shenanigan.

[|ceman]

yes, you cannot do it.

I know this is bb.com policy. Is this what you are referring to, or is there a larger legal implication not isolated to this site?

[Twin Towers]

I know this is bb.com policy. Is this what you are referring to, or is there a larger legal implication not isolated to this site?

I'm not sure about fit, but I was talking broader scope legal recourse

[fitnfirm]

I know this is bb.com policy. Is this what you are referring to, or is there a larger legal implication not isolated to this site?

larger scope, never do it ..............

[|ceman]

larger scope, never do it ..............

Gotcha.


I have found people's info and then using services like Google Earth, posted either aerial shots of their place or even street views of their house. Kinda freaks them out. :D

[Zachattack43]

That is why I personally and I can vouch for Des too, pick ppl we know and trust, however we do roll the dice here and there. The other guys pick ppl they know too, however we do pick a few ppl we do not know, such as Cyde and Aries who were just getting started on this forum. Those 2 unknowns proved well worth the risk.

Personally, I hate it when it is time for logs, bc I gotta really vet these ppl out. It does get tiresome and there are outstanding logs time to time.

Hopefully, ppl will understand why the more well known posters are picked all the time.

[~~Aries~~]

That is why I personally and I can vouch for Des too, pick ppl we know and trust, however we do roll the dice here and there. The other guys pick ppl they know too, however we do pick a few ppl we do not know, such as Cyde and Aries who were just getting started on this forum. Those 2 unknowns proved well worth the risk.

Personally, I hate it when it is time for logs, bc I gotta really vet these ppl out. It does get tiresome and there are outstanding logs time to time.

Hopefully, ppl will understand why the more well known posters are picked all the time.

:) I'm glad I was worth the risk.

[fitnfirm]

Gotcha.


I have found people's info and then using services like Google Earth, posted either aerial shots of their place or even street views of their house. Kinda freaks them out. :D

you is a bad mamma jamma :D

[|ceman]

you is a bad mamma jamma :D

I believe that is your title, maam. :)

[placebro]

This guy is going to get it worse than that poor cat in that terrible blender.

[fitnfirm]

this guy is going to get it worse than that poor cat in that terrible blender.

lol :D

[PaintPir]

these kinds of people make us companies not give new members a shot to prove their worth on the forums

exactly, many new memebers comlain that only experienced posters get picked. But the method of picking experienced known members get proven time and time again when a these things happen

[chasinSKURT]

This guy is going to get it worse than that poor cat in that terrible blender.

haaaaahahahaha!!!!

I'll never forget that.

[fitnfirm]

Yes I applied for two (though I really didn't know I was breaking any rules) and got picked for both. I figured since one of them is only 17 days worth, there would be no harm in running the short one first and I really wanted to try both products out. I really did have a business trip but got back on Friday and already had a few emails from both companies since products were delivered on around Wednesday. Seeing how on top of everything both companies were I realized that the one company would not be happy to wait the 17 days for me to log a different product first so I made that thing up to give me time. I admit it was lame, but that's the honest truth and I didn't know what else to do in that situation. Sorry guys.





What do you all think, let him log BBS after or add to blacklist / warning to other companies on file ?

[|ceman]

What do you all think, let him log BBS after or add to blacklist / warning to other companies on file ?

Have him paypal you the funds for your product, which you will promptly refund after he finishes his log.

[MBSowards]

What do you all think, let him log BBS after or add to blacklist / warning to other companies on file ?

It was the least douchebag reply I have ever heard from someone. He was flat out honest with you. I say give him the chance to log with the understanding that what he did was wrong and hopefully he can become a good bro after all is said and done.


Have him paypal you the funds for your product, which you will promptly refund after he finishes his log.

Or use a go between. Paypal me the money and I will hold onto it for Kathy until the logs are complete.

[|ceman]

It was the least douchebag reply I have ever heard from someone. He was flat out honest with you. I say give him the chance to log with the understanding that what he did was wrong and hopefully he can become a good bro after all is said and done.

Habitual liars are pretty good at wrapping a new lie around one that has been discovered. I'm not saying that this is for sure the case here, but is common with those who have a 'truth deficiency'.

When I had that supplement trade with the guy who hacked my account, he wrapped many lies around ones that had been discovered. It was only when I got stern and didn't play the nice guy that I got my stuff.

IMO, a liar does not deserve graciousness. If he had been up front from the start and honest, then it would make sense to cut him some slack, but given that he's proven his capacity for deception, it would make sense to keep him on a very short leash and demand some collateral for his log which he has to finish to receive back.

[MBSowards]

Habitual liars are pretty good at wrapping a new lie around one that has been discovered. I'm not saying that this is for sure the case here, but is common with those who have a 'truth deficiency'.

When I had that supplement trade with the guy who hacked my account, he wrapped many lies around ones that had been discovered. It was only when I got stern and didn't play the nice guy that I got my stuff.

IMO, a liar does not deserve graciousness. If he had been up front from the start and honest, then it would make sense to cut him some slack, but given that he's proven his capacity for deception, it would make sense to keep him on a very short leash and demand some collateral for his log which he has to finish to receive back.

That is true, I was just going with the "he didn't take the supps and run" mentality.

Blacklist away and let him do the logs on his own to prove he's legit.

[cal62887]

I know I am on that list. Upon arrival of product I will begin said log.

lmao... you're not outstanding out... you're just forthcoming


I have 5-6 :(

That's a shame. Sorry to hear.

[wolfsburg2]

That sucks man. I'd think picking older, more secure candidates, say in the 30yo range would alleviate some of the problem. Young-uns don't appreciate things like they should. :)

[DoubleFistingDBs]

I would say blacklist personally Fit, but its your call.

[rusty319]

It seems like there has been a rash of this kind of activity lately. People running two or more logs at the same time, people starting their logs and then disappearing after the first week, people updating their logs only once a week, etc.

I've noticed a lot more people applying for logs with less than 300 posts, maybe this is part of the problem.

I vote for blacklisting, but I've been in a crappy mood this week, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. :mad:

[factotum]

Have him paypal you the funds for your product, which you will promptly refund after he finishes his log.

That can be fraught with difficulties. A company could decide the log is inadequate for any number of reasons and refuse to issue a refund.


I preferred the martel approach to logs however.

1. Apply for a ****load of logs.
2. Commence with fake logs, sometimes quitting after a few days. But concoct some lamentable excuse to maintain good bro status.
3. Sell products on ebay that are only missing 1 or 2 scoops.
4. Profit!!

[dvsness]

I believe I am owed some reviews for Cardio Blast. I've simply been too busy to catch up with them, but I will. ****, a review is even easier to do than a full log. 5 minutes is too much to spare?

[ZB126]

yeah I noticed pitching101 wasn't logging phoenix the other day when I saw his other log....

ungrateful bastards >:(

[_NimbusTim_]

Kathy I sent you an email!

[_NimbusTim_]

I wish there was a way to take the blacklist to the next level.

Like: When you submit everything to get a person blacklisted, you also submit there shipping info which will go into a mods thread were they can only see it. Then when a company is running a promo and wanting to pick someone questionable they can cross reference the shipping info with a mod.

I dunno....kind of complicated, but...

[fitnfirm]

I posted in his log in reply to his explanation to PM me so I can give him an address to return the product. I'm assuming it is still unopened but we shall see.

[bongd]

Kathy, I'm surprised that stuff like this still shocks you.

You and I both know the kinds of low life boners lurking around on the internet. Supplement companies need to screen their applicants and appreciate the fact that even after said screening, there's nothing stopping these parties from taking the stuff and disappearing.

Veteran members who've established personal friendships are less likely to do something like this. But even so, it still happens. There was a very popular poster who ripped me off here. He was a popular member in the steroid forum and I went to purchase liver aids off him (NO steroids though - otherwise I wouldn't say this publicly). However, other people DID purchase steroids and other anabolics off him, tried to at least... he's disappeared off every forum. He saved it all up for the big dirty, had people wire him thousands of dollars and euros and completely disappeared from the online scene in an instant.


So while I've never had anyone steal supplements off me, they took advantage of my generosity and took my cash. I can relate to how you feel. A lesson to the wise would be to not part with anything you would be upset about "losing". If you're afraid about not getting a return on your investment, do not invest in sh*tty ass members of this forum :(

[AvD]

This is a very interesting thread. Im a new poster here on the forum and this makes me want to win my first log and get it up so people here can start to trust me. I 've been trying to win a contest to get the privilege to run a log. I guess i was naive because i didnt think stuff like this happend to often. For me at least winning a free supplement would be HUGE and i cant even imagine bailing out. I would feel guilty, but i guess some people out there are just scumbags.

[rusty319]

This is a very interesting thread. Im a new poster here on the forum and this makes me want to win my first log and get it up so people here can start to trust me. I 've been trying to win a contest to get the privilege to run a log. I guess i was naive because i didnt think stuff like this happend to often. For me at least winning a free supplement would be HUGE and i cant even imagine bailing out. I would feel guilty, but i guess some people out there are just scumbags.

Your best bet is to purchase a product and run a log on it. This shows that you can stick to it and also provides an idea of what quality of log you can produce. This is how most of us started. Once you show you can do it more companies are willing to take a chance on you with free product.

Too many new posters want the free product to log without putting in some effort first. I'm not saying this about you necessarily, it's just that I have seen a lot of new posters applying in many of the promo threads lately who have no previous logs. Some are even applying after the testers have already been picked. That tells me they weren't even willing to read the whole thread before applying. If they're not dedicated enough to do that, then I wonder how dedicated they would be to their log.

[longhorns_p]

Some are even applying after the testers have already been picked. That tells me they weren't even willing to read the whole thread before applying. If they're not dedicated enough to do that, then I wonder how dedicated they would be to their log.

lol, I see this happen too! I'm sure these people are also very detail oriented and will provide great logs. http://assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

Side note, Thanks fit for picking me to run Phoenix! It was my first log and loved it....glad you gave me a chance to do it.

[Arlecchino]

I wish there was a way to take the blacklist to the next level.

Like: When you submit everything to get a person blacklisted, you also submit there shipping info which will go into a mods thread were they can only see it. Then when a company is running a promo and wanting to pick someone questionable they can cross reference the shipping info with a mod.

I dunno....kind of complicated, but...

Speaking only for myself, I absolutely want nothing to do with someone's personal info. I have access to enough as it is.

I would have no problem negging or blacklisting people.

It also would not hurt if in every promo people mentioned that only one log was to be run at a time, no competing products, etc. Not because people will actually read it, but because it eliminates dealing with a possible excuse should something go wrong.

[velocityrob]

Speaking only for myself, I absolutely want nothing to do with someone's personal info. I have access to enough as it is.

I would have no problem negging or blacklisting people.

It also would not hurt if in every promo people mentioned that only one log was to be run at a time, no competing products, etc. Not because people will actually read it, but because it eliminates dealing with a possible excuse should something go wrong.

In the last few months, I've seen that requirement listed in log/promos.
If its listed up front, in every promo, maybe it help to prevent the double-dippers.

[Arlecchino]

In the last few months, I've seen that requirement listed in log/promos.
If its listed up front, in every promo, maybe it help to prevent the double-dippers.

Had to look into a couple where it was not, only reason why I mentioned it. I really do not read most of them, since I am not eligible to run a sponsored log. I am sure you read more than I do.


But yeah, as I said, it may not help, but it takes away the excuse of 'I didn't know'. If they can read the promo for possible free product, they can read all of it, IMO.

[rusty319]

It also would not hurt if in every promo people mentioned that only one log was to be run at a time, no competing products, etc. Not because people will actually read it, but because it eliminates dealing with a possible excuse should something go wrong.

I find it funny when someone is logging two products at the same time (both sponsored) and then they say they can't tell which product gave them the great results. :confused:

That must make the two companies who gave them the product feel good about the logs.

[EMISGOD]

While you guys and gals are busy righting wrongs here at bb.com, do you think you have time to bring about world peace?

I am going to start a global war and put everyone to permanent peaceful rest...good enough?


I believe I am owed some reviews for Cardio Blast. I've simply been too busy to catch up with them, but I will. ****, a review is even easier to do than a full log. 5 minutes is too much to spare?

Yes...I bought and have a full 6 pack here waiting and that promised review is one of the things I have to find time to get to in July, but I will. In this case, the review is taking forever since I had to interrupt training considerably (basically entirely) due to a variety of other factors which necessarily had to take precedence. Some of these have now concluded enough that I can resume training. Unfortunately, this also means I must re-establish a cardio baseline before I can attempt the Cardio Blast or anything I observe (aside from taste) will be quite meaningless...

[40-Yard Dash_2]

I am going to start a global war and put everyone to permanent peaceful rest...good enough?

Fuk it man.

That's cool with me.

[AtownKing187]

In.

[em-dubya]

We have someone that was supposed to log a product and asked if they could start it 3 weeks later .Supposedly they were extending their cycle but now i see they started logging another product 2 weeks ago!!

[MBSowards]

We have someone that was supposed to log a product and asked if they could start it 3 weeks later .Supposedly they were extending their cycle but now i see they started logging another product 2 weeks ago!!

...hmmm...I'm not logging another product so I'm golden. :p

Links for negs, just sayin.

[DedicatedToLift]

We have someone that was supposed to log a product and asked if they could start it 3 weeks later .Supposedly they were extending their cycle but now i see they started logging another product 2 weeks ago!!

That's bull**** dude, tell them to send back the product.

[eldawg]

In.

Damn...haven't seen you in the Supp section in ages!