Fat intake & Hormone levels

[cwrigh5]

Ive always been told that hormone levels can be affected by a persons daily fat intake. My question is does anyone know the mechanism behind this? Does it have to do with the metabolic cycle?

And if this is know, what amount of fat intake would produce the optimal levels of hormones needed for gaining mass?

Thanks for the help everyone,


P.S. Forum's new look is nice

[schismatik]

i think a balanaced 33/33/33 diet will provide adequate fat intake...i used to do a 45/40/15 (p/c/f) and lost fat, but my lifts sucked balls and had no libido. After plateauing on that i went on keto and dropped another 15lbs and my lifts went up even though i'm cutting. I think fat has a big role to play in hormones, but i don't think keto is necessary, just works for me...

[patkoch]

essential fatty acids are precursors for steroids I beleive. Learned about it in human nutrition but don;t remember to much about it. Bottom line is testosterone cant be produced without fats. Also Fat should comprise of 20-35 percent of your daily calories. With less then ten percent of fat coming from saturated fats.

Of course this is the RDA for a healthy lifestyle, it may or may not be the best for anabolic benefits, and or cutting weight, but is definatley a healthy range.
LOW LEVELS AND HIGH LEVELS OF FAT BOTH HAVE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON TESTOSTERONE. it is not a more is better kinda thing.

[J0ne]

I think fat has a big role to play in hormones, but i don't think keto is necessary

interesting.

[Emma-Leigh]

Ive always been told that hormone levels can be affected by a persons daily fat intake. My question is does anyone know the mechanism behind this? Does it have to do with the metabolic cycle?

And if this is know, what amount of fat intake would produce the optimal levels of hormones needed for gaining mass?

Thanks for the help everyone,


P.S. Forum's new look is nice
Few articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroidogenesis#Steroidogenesis
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/basics/steroidogenesis.html
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/4/1501
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/90/6/3550

And the amount that an individual requires to be healthy depends on them as an individual - not a random % of diet intake.

[patkoch]

Few articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroidogenesis#Steroidogenesis
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/basics/steroidogenesis.html
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/4/1501
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/90/6/3550

And the amount that an individual requires to be healthy depends on them as an individual - not a random % of diet intake.

Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) the amounts of selected nutrients considered adequate to meet the known nutrient needs of healthy people. The RDA are based on scientific knowledge and have been presented by a committee of the Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

Obviously everyone was different just trying to give a little helpful advice. SO get the **** out with that elitist bull****.

[Emma-Leigh]

Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) the amounts of selected nutrients considered adequate to meet the known nutrient needs of healthy people. The RDA are based on scientific knowledge and have been presented by a committee of the Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

Obviously everyone was different just trying to give a little helpful advice. SO get the **** out with that elitist bull****.
S'cuse me?
Mind your language please. There are youngen's on the board and we are trying to have a civil conversation here.
You might want to remember to use manners before you post similar remarks again (unless you want me cranky). ;)

With regards to your comments:
The RDA's (no matter where they come from) are not necessarily the 'be all and end all' of nutritional information. Point and case - see recommendations for protein. It is recognised that for active individuals these levels may not be adequate (esp those in endurance or strength based sports).

My point was:
small male (120#). Dietary needs when cutting, say, 1500 cals. 20% fat? 33g.
small male (120#). Dietary needs when bulking, say, 2500 cals. 20% fat? 55g.
^
Do you think that these are necessarily what is 'required' in those two different situations?

Same could be with large male (say 220#).
When cutting - Dietary needs, say, 2400 cals. 20% fat? 53g fat.
When bulking - dietary needs, 3800 cals. 20%? 84g fat.
^
Would these necessarily be 'best'?
Why are their far requirements different in those different states?

Do you think it would be better to base their fat requirement off 'physiological constants'? (eg: age, gender, lean mass) rather than using a % of their 'calorie requirement'?

Another example: Take two medium men.
Man 1: 180#. BF 10%. Lean mass = 162#. Young, active, fit, healthy.
Man 2: 180#. BF = 30%. Lean mass = 126#. Unhealthy. Not active.
^
If they both followed 'standard recommendations' do you think they would be getting what they required?
Why do you think it is such that these two have the same needs in terms of their nutrient requirements simply because the 'RDA' states it??

[TaoistWarrior]

Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) the amounts of selected nutrients considered adequate to meet the known nutrient needs of healthy people. The RDA are based on scientific knowledge and have been presented by a committee of the Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

Obviously everyone was different just trying to give a little helpful advice. SO get the **** out with that elitist bull****.

Whoa, man. Mind your manners. Emma was providing scientific resources relevant to the OP's question. She also moderates this forum and is trained in nutritional science. You know, that subject where you thought you heard EFAs were the basis of steroid hormones, but you're not quite sure?

Let's keep the conversation civil so that it continues to move forward in a positive and helpful manner. No need to get ****ty about it.

[dimasso69]

Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) the amounts of selected nutrients considered adequate to meet the known nutrient needs of healthy people. The RDA are based on scientific knowledge and have been presented by a committee of the Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

Obviously everyone was different just trying to give a little helpful advice. SO get the **** out with that elitist bull****.

Yeah the RDA are always so truee especially because it regards bodybuilders/athletes and not just the common person right? And personally i think the FDA is just bribed by junk food administrations or something, like the food guide pyramid for example completely neglects fats and emphasizes carbohydrates in the diet when in fact carbs arent even necessary. There are EFA's NOT EC's

And if everyone was different and trying to give helpful advice why the harsh language, let the lady give her helpful advice, much more useful then your's my friend.

[SkinnyWR009]

essential fatty acids are precursors for steroids I beleive. Learned about it in human nutrition but don;t remember to much about it. Bottom line is testosterone cant be produced without fats. Also Fat should comprise of 20-35 percent of your daily calories. With less then ten percent of fat coming from saturated fats.

Of course this is the RDA for a healthy lifestyle, it may or may not be the best for anabolic benefits, and or cutting weight, but is definatley a healthy range.
LOW LEVELS AND HIGH LEVELS OF FAT BOTH HAVE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON TESTOSTERONE. it is not a more is better kinda thing.

essential fatty acids you say? how much more does it produce?

[Emma-Leigh]

essential fatty acids you say? how much more does it produce?
It is actually cholesterol that is important, not EFA's.
And read the posts after this one (with the links).

[PopeGregorius]

Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) the amounts of selected nutrients considered adequate to meet the known nutrient needs of healthy people. The RDA are based on scientific knowledge and have been presented by a committee of the Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

Obviously everyone was different just trying to give a little helpful advice. SO get the **** out with that elitist bull****.
You are a moron.

[SpunkyStuff]

Cholesterol, not EFA's, are the backbone of steroids

[patkoch]

cholesterol is a steroid brah, epic fail.

[Dr. Horse]

cholesterol is a steroid brah, epic fail.

When most people say "steroid" in this context, the mean "steroid hormones".

[Confuzzl3dOn3]

Patkoch if you don't really have anything helpful/useful to say then juz don't say anything at all. It doesn't kill to correct people nicely does it?