most supplements are junk!

[DASHMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mfQTiumsO4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethebodygenesis%2Ecom%2Fcat egory%2Fdiet%2Dnutrition&feature=player_embedded

[JolietKev]

Makes you really wonder about what you are taking and where your money is going.

[just.demi]

Great video! That's one of the major reasons why I don't take supplements. I only use whey because I know what I'm getting when I purchase it....whey. LOL.

[mavrick77]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mfQTiumsO4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethebodygenesis%2Ecom%2Fcat egory%2Fdiet%2Dnutrition&feature=player_embedded

Funny you posted this, I had a promoter get a hold of me the other day, who has tried some of my home made supplements...and really is pressing me to market them... If I went ahead with this, I would continue to make ONLY supplements that work.

to give you a example, one of my diet pills, one of its ingrediants is YOHIMBEE...most supplement companies put like 300mg in there supplements, however I put 3 Grams per serving in mine. HEHE

[OutOfStep]

Funny you posted this, I had a promoter get a hold of me the other day, who has tried some of my home made supplements...and really is pressing me to market them... If I went ahead with this, I would continue to make ONLY supplements that work.

to give you a example, one of my diet pills, one of its ingrediants is YOHIMBEE...most supplement companies put like 300mg in there supplements, however I put 3 Grams per serving in mine. HEHE

Most don't use Yohimbe, they use Yohimbine hydrochloride, the standardized form of Yohimbine which is the principle active chemical in Yohimbe bark. 3 grams of Yohimbine HCl would likely cause seizures and renal failure.

This is why the supplement industry is in hot water, because yahoos with no clue think they are biochemists and put a bunch of **** in a capsule with no idea what effects it will have on the body.

[bscole]

That is unbelievable!!! Thanks for sharing that with us. Now I am going to look at all the chicks that I strive to have a body 1/2 as great as theirs very differently. :-)

[thomasale]

Great clip...like most other newbies when I first started lifting I took everything I could get my hands on. 2 years later it is whey only...not even a multi and I comlete it with good eating habits.

[socket]

I loved that movie..bigger better faster...what ever the name is. this is really nothing new...but there are a lot of nieve people out there looking for a quick fix. the mark up on these products is so huge, and there is hardly any labor. i still think some sups are fine, protien powder and vitamins from a good source. the consumer has to be responsible and study up. what kills me is all the adds in the muscle mags with the "pro" bodybuilders endorsing products.
i love when they quote stuff like "i won the mr. olympia cause i started taking supper cuts 2000". and its like, no, you won cause you have been taking steroids and gh products for 10-20 years. I realize these ifbb guys train there asses off and are very disiplined when it comes to diet, but i can't stand the endorsments of the supplement products that clearly are not there only source of assistance building their muscles. its a straight up lie and a discrace to the bodybuilding world. its funny, cause there was an interview with jay cutler that was deleted out of the movie,( probably cause the ifbb made the producer take it out), but even culter says steroids are part of the sport. he says its not the only part, but needed to compete at the top level....and thats the way it is.

[socket]

i know its not the same subject, but here's the link to jay cutler talking about steroids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE6uegoRiFk

[dbx]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.

[mavrick77]

Most don't use Yohimbe, they use Yohimbine hydrochloride, the standardized form of Yohimbine which is the principle active chemical in Yohimbe bark. 3 grams of Yohimbine HCl would likely cause seizures and renal failure.

This is why the supplement industry is in hot water, because yahoos with no clue think they are biochemists and put a bunch of **** in a capsule with no idea what effects it will have on the body.

trust me I am no yahoo, and been doing this a long time...I was giving a example...that is not the max dosage of yohimbee HCL...the max dosage on that is something like 40mg a day. green tea may be like 3g...I have my formulas all writeen down somewhere, and have done all the reasearch..and many people have used with no negative sides..they slowly build up to max dossage...I was just giving a example, not exact numbers..so dont take it as that

[socket]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.



agree!!! but have you noticed how many fly by night sups there are. i'm not sure if it's cause the makers want to avoid law suits or if they just constintly change labels to seem new. remember twin lab gh fuel, hot stuff, right stuff, smilax, seems like products come and go like crazy......kinda crazy...do they go under? doubt it.

[JonnyStead]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.

I think its a fair point DBX - this particular video though was an exhert from Bigger Stronger Faster, which was a commercially successful film rather than a youtube vid.

Its true though that something presented as documentary (balanced) can be used to cloud a personal agenda - just look at Michael Moore - full of half truths and slight of hand but presented as journalism.

In the main I am sceptical about supplements myself. I take protein powder but thats it and I have seen results with it. I havent seen any benefit from anything with the words tech, NO, xplode, power or cell in the title but I'd welcome a debate on it.

[mikieson]

I agree...I think..."if you can afford to"..Just eat 6-8 nice size meals with decent foods in them, drink plenty of skim milk, water, have some cheat foods when you feel the need and you are better off. As far as size goes. I can eat lots, lift heavy and get big. I dont need all the supplements.

I have taken my fare share of them but no longer and dont plan on it anytime soon.

[dbx]

agree!!! but have you noticed how many fly by night sups there are.

Oh, sure! And believe me, I am a bigger skeptic than most of you might think from that post. We just have to take a balanced approach to what and "who" we buy into or from.


Its true though that something presented as documentary (balanced) can be used to cloud a personal agenda - just look at Michael Moore - full of half truths and slight of hand but presented as journalism.

Exactly! And it's no different from exposing local car repair shops who charge you for work you don't need and/or they don't even perform on your car. Caveat emptor, always.


In the main I am sceptical about supplements myself. I take protein powder but thats it and I have seen results with it. I havent seen any benefit from anything with the words tech, NO, xplode, power or cell in the title but I'd welcome a debate on it.

There are many supps whose efficacy can be debated, no doubt about it. But there are also many "basic" supps whose efficacy cannot be debated, as they are soundly backed by actual science. But now....we could go further into those "proven" basic supps and what kind of results they might actually translate into when we take them through various means. The variables are almost endless.

So, in the end we try to choose the "proven" supps, and try to buy them from manufacturers that we believe to be reputable, and use what they say they use in the tubs we purchase. That's about the best we can do if we want to enter the supp world.

[QuadR]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.

I agree. It is a matter of opinion but you would be hard pressed to have everyone who has ever taken supps say they didn't work. I personally would say, some dod work better than others, but that is for me. As with everything else, supps will show different results on different folks. The marketing strategy used may be a vendetta because of a particular run in, issue or unsatisfied result one received. I take it with a grain o'salt!!!

[muttytwist]

DBX,repped for putting it so well. I have had good success with various sups over the years, and alot of disappointments. It is a buyer beware world, look for clinical trials from trusted companies. Also try to remember that just because it works for me, does not mean it will work for you.

[DASHMAN]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.


Alot of people dont know this is going on.

[IronCharles]

most supplements are junk!

.....except the ones that work too good......

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090428_Suspended_Phillies_reliever_Romero_files_ lawsuit_over_supplement.html

[Muscle_Sliver]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.

There you go making sense again.

[socket]

.....except the ones that work too good......

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090428_Suspended_Phillies_reliever_Romero_files_ lawsuit_over_supplement.html

yah, i read that at fox sports a few days ago. question is...was he taking anything else and bought the sups as a cover? kinda like mcquire having andro in his locker back in 99....i think that was just a cover also, cause i new guys taking andro, and working out like crazy, and they didn't get the results mcquire got.
the other question is...how come this supplement romo took has andro in it, i thought that stuff was banned from over the conter sale in 05?

[m1k3g0rd]

Why am I suddenly thinking of a Big Mac... Ah yeah - Supersize Me! Same concept. It's basically crap, but if you market aggressively and to the right crowd, you'll sell a boatload. Spend even a little time in the supplements forum and you'll see who the target market is, and that they're buying these things by the ton. We were all young & gullible once, fortunately most of us learn the lesson over time.

[socket]

.....except the ones that work too good......

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090428_Suspended_Phillies_reliever_Romero_files_ lawsuit_over_supplement.html


Why am I suddenly thinking of a Big Mac... Ah yeah - Supersize Me! Same concept. It's basically crap, but if you market aggressively and to the right crowd, you'll sell a boatload. Spend even a little time in the supplements forum and you'll see who the target market is, and that they're buying these things by the ton. We were all young & gullible once, fortunately most of us learn the lesson over time.

mmmmmn...big macs.....with super sized fries......now thats a great belly building suplement combo, throw in the milk shake for good measurements.

[Dutchman]

trust me I am no yahoo, and been doing this a long time...I was giving a example...that is not the max dosage of yohimbee HCL...the max dosage on that is something like 40mg a day. green tea may be like 3g...I have my formulas all writeen down somewhere, and have done all the reasearch..and many people have used with no negative sides..they slowly build up to max dossage...I was just giving a example, not exact numbers..so dont take it as that

I do 3 to 5 gms of Green Tea Extract daily for years. Never a problem. Someone however put a heavy dose of Yohimbe in a supp I took a few years ago and I quickly turned beet red with a rash from head to toe. Unfortunately I had real difficulty breathing and had to go to the ER.

[Do_Somethin]

I do 3 to 5 gms of Green Tea Extract daily for years. Never a problem. Someone however put a heavy dose of Yohimbe in a supp I took a few years ago and I quickly turned beet red with a rash from head to toe. Unfortunately I had real difficulty breathing and had to go to the ER.

What's the difference between the extract and drinking a cup of green tea?

[thruxton]

...

In the main I am sceptical about supplements myself...I havent seen any benefit from anything with the words tech, NO, xplode, power or cell in the title but I'd welcome a debate on it.

that's because you mistake supplements for products

eg: supplement
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19352063?ordinalpos=6&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[Dutchman]

What's the difference between the extract and drinking a cup of green tea?

I cap my own using extract powder that is 95% polyphenols and 50% EGCG (EpiGalloCatechinGallate). Supposedly 200 mg of EGCG is equal to 2 to 3 cups of Green Tea. So when I take 3 gms (5 caps) I am taking the equivalent of 1.5 gms of EGCG or between 15 and 22 cups of tea. Hope this helps.

[Do_Somethin]

I cap my own using extract powder that is 95% polyphenols and 50% EGCG (EpiGalloCatechinGallate). Supposedly 200 mg of EGCG is equal to 2 to 3 cups of Green Tea. So when I take 3 gms (5 caps) I am taking the equivalent of 1.5 gms of EGCG or between 15 and 22 cups of tea. Hope this helps.

It does but sometimes you just have to have the pleasure of a good cup of tea. :)

[Dutchman]

It does but sometimes you just have to have the pleasure of a good cup of tea. :)

Ocha wa, itsumo ii desu ne. (Green) Tea is always good isn't it. Years living in Tokyo turned me on to it's pleasures. Its just that at my age the need for the strong performance is as great as the pleasure of a simple cup of Ocha.

[chodan9]

I found fhe movie referenced above to be quite balanced.
It offered both sides of the issues it focused on,
I don't think you can get a good idea what it was about by just that one clip or gleen some kind of hidden motivation of its creator.
I recommend it highly.
as for the topic:
I personally have gotten some decent benefits from supplementation.
On some supplements I have gotten zilch.
It is a trial and error deal any way you look at it, so be ready to spend a bit before you find something that works for you

[CP3102435]

I personally have gotten some decent benefits from supplementation.
On some supplements I have gotten zilch.
It is a trial and error deal any way you look at it, so be ready to spend a bit before you find something that works for you

Agreed....Myself; I read as many reviews as I can see and decide if I want to buy it. If it works as advertised then great, if not then I know not to buy it again and to tell others about it's failure as well. While it is true that nothing works well for everyone it is also true that if it's getting panned by just about everyone you can count on it being junk.

The fact of the matter is that we are all pretty much in this together, and have to depend upon each other to keep us safe from "snake oil salesmen". Marketing cannot be trusted.

[Karl_Hungus]

And as with everything, people forget the obvious; that any a$$hole can make a youtube video.

Let's take a moment to discuss what we actually saw, shall we?

False advertisement, marketing gimmicks, photography tricks. Anything new here? Umm..no.

Now, we have someone we've never heard of...making a funny clip about making largely bogus supps....and not actually naming or accusing a single specific company of doing this. Nope. Just implying that everyone acts without business scruples.

An most of the responses to the masterpiece posted here is, "OMG, thanks so much for opening my eyes!!"? :rolleyes:

Marketing works both ways. And most of you were just marketed and corralled into a new pen with the simple click of a youtube video, and didn't even think about it.

Sheeple; they're what's for dinner.


Well said. Demonstrating that you can create fake supps does not imply that all (or even most) supps are fake.

[oxyman]

I think saying most supplements are junk is as extreme as saying that most of them will give you a Mr Olympia physique in a month.

Why do bodybuilders continue to look bigger and better than before? Why do athletics records continue to tumble? I can't believe it's all down to better training techniques when it comes to disclipines so basic and fundamental.

Well it must either be better steroids and/or better supplements. Its something that the athletes are taking that is better than what the competitors of the 70's and 80's were consuming. Ben Johnson ran the 100meters in 9.79 at the 1988 olympics because he was juiced up to his yellow eyeballs. Fair enough. But even if the top sprinters of today are all tanked up too, how come they are running even faster than than that today? They all take more whey protein than he did?

[Arlecchino]

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