protein deprivation

[Redeem_Yourself]

i couldn't find much info on this subject

some trainers advocate going through periods where protein intake is around 30 grams in order to increase GH, IGF etc

is there any truth to this?

could anyone point me to some studies/articles on this topic?

[determined4000]

i couldn't find much info on this subject

some trainers advocate going through periods where protein intake is around 30 grams in order to increase GH, IGF etc

is there any truth to this?

could anyone point me to some studies/articles on this topic?

I dont buy getting insufficient levels of protein would benefit hormones

[Redeem_Yourself]

anyone else?

[eddiebo]

Sorry don't have any info, though will say definitely sounds counter-intuitive. Perhaps some factors can change levels, though in the grand scheme, I would doubt short-term and highly doubt any long term overall BODYBUILDING BENEFIT from protein deprivation.

[Dr. Horse]

I dont buy getting insufficient levels of protein would benefit hormones

Well, actually protein malnutrition does result in increased GH. GH is elevated in Kwashiorkor and Marasmus, and primate studies have shown increased IFG and GH with protein deficiency. But applying this to bodybuilding is broscience at its worst.

[determined4000]

Well, actually protein malnutrition does result in increased GH. GH is elevated in Kwashiorkor and Marasmus, and primate studies have shown increased IFG and GH with protein deficiency. But applying this to bodybuilding is broscience at its worst.

so you will boost hormones...
but not be able to build muscle because you aren't getting enough protein/aminos

[eddiebo]

so you will boost hormones...
but not be able to build muscle because you aren't getting enough protein/aminos

I may be wrong, though I understand macro nutrient, short term malnutrition in general does.

Correct, sounds like a catch22 to me.

[IEatPowerRacks]

There's a reason it's called MALnutrition... never a good idea.

[ExCompetitor]

When you ingest low protein this stimulates anti-proteolytic(anti catabolic) mechanisms and liver proteins are lost first rather than muscle proteins.When you switch back to High Protein the body supercompensates with improved transport of amino acids.The trick is to only go low protein(about 60 gms per day) for 3 days so that muscle proteins are saved and then switch to high protein(300 gms per day) for 3 days giving the body ample time to supercompensate.

[determined4000]

When you ingest low protein this stimulates anti-proteolytic(anti catabolic) mechanisms and liver proteins are lost first rather than muscle proteins.When you switch back to High Protein the body supercompensates with improved transport of amino acids.The trick is to only go low protein(about 60 gms per day) for 3 days so that muscle proteins are saved and then switch to high protein(300 gms per day) for 3 days giving the body ample time to supercompensate.

Or just lift hard and eat right all the time

[IEatPowerRacks]

When you ingest low protein this stimulates anti-proteolytic(anti catabolic) mechanisms and liver proteins are lost first rather than muscle proteins.When you switch back to High Protein the body supercompensates with improved transport of amino acids.The trick is to only go low protein(about 60 gms per day) for 3 days so that muscle proteins are saved and then switch to high protein(300 gms per day) for 3 days giving the body ample time to supercompensate.

So eating less protein is anti-catabolic? Quite the opposite of pretty much all BBer's knowledge.

[ExCompetitor]

So eating less protein is anti-catabolic? Quite the opposite of pretty much all BBer's knowledge.
Yes,but only for a short period of time NMT 72 hours.

[ExCompetitor]

Or just lift hard and eat right all the time

No, for best results you should be cycling Protein/Carbs.The body constantly strives to stay in Homeostatis,you need to trick the body into upregulating and downregulating enzymes to your advantage.

[patkoch]

Id say Just keep your protein levels between 10-35% of your calorie intake. And get your sleep which definatley has the most influence on GH levels.

[Opies]

No, for best results you should be cycling Protein/Carbs.The body constantly strives to stay in Homeostatis,you need to trick the body into upregulating and downregulating enzymes to your advantage.

can't fool your body forever