Sumo vs regular + hook grip

[PowerFe2479]

alright i havent deadlifted in about a month because of a soreness in my lower back. Anyways i decided to switch my DL to sumo today and try it out for the first time. A month ago i was repping 405x4reps. WHen trying the sumo deadlift i was only able to do 385x4 then 375x4 but i felt a lot of the pressure relieve off of my lower back while doing this lift. THe only problem i felt with the sumo technique was my hands kept slipping off the bar because the knurling ends were i feel comfortable putting my hands. I also tried to switch up to the hook grip today but was only able to do 1-2 reps at a higher weight because it felt like my thumb was getting crushed. Is this something that you get used to after awhile with this grip? so iguess my question is does the sumo deadlift take pressure off of my lower back for powerlifting? another one was do you think the reason of my decline of weight from traditional to sumo was the result of chaning techniques or because i havent deadlifted in about a month.

[.J.]

i would recomend using a mixed grip, and i would say your decline in weight is due to probably both. some people like sumo some like regular, do whatever one your more comfortable with.

[burningNun]

I find when I hook sumo deadlifts my middle and fore- fingernails scrape my legs. It's quite distracting.

[str8flexed]

i would recomend using a mixed grip, and i would say your decline in weight is due to probably both. some people like sumo some like regular, do whatever one your more comfortable with.

mixed grip is great til you tear a bicep

[PowerFe2479]

I find when I hook sumo deadlifts my middle and fore- fingernails scrape my legs. It's quite distracting.

yea i have that with the bar sometimes regardless of grip. Its not up until my thighs that my fingers scrape but the bar wrecks my shins on the way up dosnt bother me touch much anymore though kinda looks badass to bad couldnt be with more weight. Ive heard the bicep tendon tearing thing to quite a bit lately is it with a certain hand in that grip for say the one that is underhand gripping the bar for me it would be my right hand.

[burningNun]

A bicep tear (almost?) always happens to the underhand arm. Hook grip solves this.

[erikhutson]

A bicep tear (almost?) always happens to the underhand arm. Hook grip solves this.

do you mean hook gripping with the underhand arm or just switching to a hook grip (both overhand) all together?

[brent2741]

having tore both biceps due to an over/under grip i would advise everyone to try the hook and get used to it and just use that from now on.

[Doenitz79]

I do only hook grip and it is much more secure than alternate grip.

[burningNun]

do you mean hook gripping with the underhand arm or just switching to a hook grip (both overhand) all together?
I mean hook gripping with both hands pronated.

[ShutUpAndSquat]

Do bicep tears just happen to the underhand arm when you start approaching heavy deadlift weights...?

I'm up to 455 and I haven't come close to feeling anything on either of my biceps, ever. I'm messing around with baby weights compared to some of you guys, but still. Is this something I'll have to worry about when I'm in the 600+ club?

[burningNun]

Do bicep tears just happen to the underhand arm when you start approaching heavy deadlift weights...?

I'm up to 455 and I haven't come close to feeling anything on either of my biceps, ever. I'm messing around with baby weights compared to some of you guys, but still. Is this something I'll have to worry about when I'm in the 600+ club?

They can happen at any weight if the conditions are wrong. http://www.powerliftinguk.com/showthread.php?t=10634

[rugby121]

Any opinions on the question about sumo putting less pressure on the lower back? After deadlifting unknowingly with a slipped disk 2 weeks after it happened, sumo felt alot better on it.

[PowerFe2479]

i think it has something to do with the round in my back. No mater how perfect i try to keep my form in a regular style deadlift as soon as i put a little pressure on that bar i feel like my spine is going to blow out. When i did the sumo deadlift i think it allow my back to bend less and to use my legs more when i lift. this is just what i felt from the one workout i had with it but it felt good.

[BEhave]

I wouldn't worry about bicep tears that much. Pec tears are the only things I worry about. If your on the juice, you are at a higher risk of tearing something anyways. Lets just say muscle can build quickly but tendons can't

Hook grip is fine, it just hurts so damn much and I find that when I do it, the weight feels heavier overall on my body, not just my hands. When I use mixed grip on the heavier sets, the weight goes up easier.

[str8flexed]

i've seen plenty of natural guys tear muscles, if you think it can't happen to you or "that won't happen to me" you are kidding yourself

[BEhave]

i've seen plenty of natural guys tear muscles, if you think it can't happen to you or "that won't happen to me" you are kidding yourself

Yea I just looked at the link posted above and now I'm kinda freaked out. Whats the best way to avoid them then? But I didn't say I couldn't tear a muscle though, just saying there is a higher chance if you juice/gain tons of muscle in a really short time for some reason.

[samsuperjew]

i've seen plenty of natural guys tear muscles, if you think it can't happen to you or "that won't happen to me" you are kidding yourself

this


the whole "this cant happen to me attitude" that most teens have (myself at one point included) is such bs. Thinking like that is what made me bike off a 25 ft ledge and break my shoulder into 3 separate peices, tear my rc, snap my shin into 2 pieces and break a finger, and come close to cracking my skull (helmets: wear them)

[BEhave]

this


the whole "this cant happen to me attitude" that most teens have (myself at one point included) is such bs. Thinking like that is what made me bike off a 25 ft ledge and break my shoulder into 3 separate peices, tear my rc, snap my shin into 2 pieces and break a finger, and come close to cracking my skull (helmets: wear them)

What you did was just stupid.

[samsuperjew]

just sayin man, the entire time (in the air) i was thinking : oh, imma be ok, this cant happen to me, i was kidding myself, and THAT is my point

[BEhave]

just sayin man, the entire time (in the air) i was thinking : oh, imma be ok, this cant happen to me, i was kidding myself, and THAT is my point

I see your point, but that is still pretty funny lol. Anyways, don't want to high jack this thread

Can somebody explain how it feels to tear a muscle and if there are any warning signs to its coming?

[Snadinator]

I see your point, but that is still pretty funny lol. Anyways, don't want to high jack this thread

Can somebody explain how it feels to tear a muscle and if there are any warning signs to its coming?

Warning signs?!? Holy crap I wish!!!

I've torn the gastroc and soleus in my left calf while tire flipping. No warning signs. It just tore.

I snapped the proximal tendon for my left bicep while stone lifting. I didn't get a warning sign there either.

Train smart, warm-up and stay hydrated... sometimes though, **** just happens.

[BEhave]

I guess theres no point of being scared of tearing something.

[Snadinator]

I guess theres no point of being scared of tearing something.

My left bicep couldn't be fixed. The long head has dropped down the arm. To make lemonade from the situation, it's got one hell of a sweet peak now.

As I said though... stay hydrated and warm up and not just 5min on a threadmill BS, that's not warming up. Do some barbell complex and dynamic stretches (after getting the blood moving).

Also, always strive to lift with good form. Don't pull with your arms. It is true that a hook grip will lessen chances of a distal bicep rupture, however; the hook grip is not fool proof. You can still tear it. All you can do is lower the odds.

[Arlecchino]

Any opinions on the question about sumo putting less pressure on the lower back? After deadlifting unknowingly with a slipped disk 2 weeks after it happened, sumo felt alot better on it.

Yes. There is less shear on the lumbar spine. I could dig up a study or two if you care.

[BBDF]

would switching up the underhand arm and stretching the bicep before deadlifting help avoid a tear?

[str8flexed]

it might help but it's not like a prevention, don't you think plenty of these guys did just that thing.

when i tore my pec i remember everyone was trying to tell me what i did that caused it to tear. In reality sometimes **** just happens. Using a double overhand grip is the biggest thing you can do to prevent a tear. i switched to the hook grip because I've already torn my pec and will be damned if i don't do everything possible to prevent ever having another muscle tear.

Just stretching, warming up well, and thinking 'that won't happen to me' is a recipe for disaster. Take it from a guy who used to say "that won't happen to me"

[BBDF]

it might help but it's not like a prevention, don't you think plenty of these guys did just that thing.

when i tore my pec i remember everyone was trying to tell me what i did that caused it to tear. In reality sometimes **** just happens. Using a double overhand grip is the biggest thing you can do to prevent a tear. i switched to the hook grip because I've already torn my pec and will be damned if i don't do everything possible to prevent ever having another muscle tear.

Just stretching, warming up well, and thinking 'that won't happen to me' is a recipe for disaster. Take it from a guy who used to say "that won't happen to me"

Thanks layne
I guess I'll start using double overhand grip, my only concern is my grip strength. Do you think maybe I should invest in a pair of lifting straps if my grip cant handle it?
when you competed did you use overhand grip? and how much did you pull?

[BEhave]

Thanks layne
I guess I'll start using double overhand grip, my only concern is my grip strength. Do you think maybe I should invest in a pair of lifting straps if my grip cant handle it?
when you competed did you use overhand grip? and how much did you pull?

Your supposed to use hook grip, not simply double overhand. Hood grip is when your thumbs are under your fingers, like how oly lifters grip the bar. You get a good grip on the bar, but it hurts (at least for me)

[BBDF]

Your supposed to use hook grip, not simply double overhand. Hood grip is when your thumbs are under your fingers, like how oly lifters grip the bar. You get a good grip on the bar, but it hurts (at least for me)

Thumb under middle finger right?

[freeride88]

I think a great deal of this bicep tear talk is pretty alarmist. There are TONS of lifters that have used a mixed grip all their lives and never experienced tears, and there are some guys that have torn a bicep at 405lbs. I don't think it's worth it to tell yourself (or anyone else) that the hook grip is the only way to go.

[cjdelaney]

the hook grip isn't without it's drawbacks either. I know at least two guys whose thumbs are arthritic from hook gripping.


if you can hook, go for it. If not, mixed grip is way better than straps, and it's not as if your biceps are gauranteed to explode or anything. Most guys pull mixed, and very few experience tears.

[BEhave]

Thumb under middle finger right?

http://www.webefit.com/articles_100_199/ART_140_Img/HookGrip.jpg

[rugby121]

Yes. There is less shear on the lumbar spine. I could dig up a study or two if you care.

Would appreciate it.

[Diana Meeque]

stick with the hook grip, once you get used to it you'll prefer it.

you're in a better position from the start of the lift with a hook grip

[BBDF]

http://www.webefit.com/articles_100_199/ART_140_Img/HookGrip.jpg

Awesome

Thanks-

[ben3133]

stick with the hook grip, once you get used to it you'll prefer it.

you're in a better position from the start of the lift with a hook grip
How long did it take you to get used to it?

[Diana Meeque]

How long did it take you to get used to it?

not long. one workout i just decided to do it and i was used to it by the time i was at my heaviest set for the day. the only problem i have with it now is that sometimes my thumbs slip out when i'm doing rep work, but it shouldn't be a problem for someone who can use chalk.

i've never gone above 4 plates with hook grip though, i'd imagine it's a bit different with heavy weights

[LT1Squirrel]

I think a great deal of this bicep tear talk is pretty alarmist. There are TONS of lifters that have used a mixed grip all their lives and never experienced tears, and there are some guys that have torn a bicep at 405lbs. I don't think it's worth it to tell yourself (or anyone else) that the hook grip is the only way to go.

+1, thats like saying anyone that has a license will get in an accident sometime in their life

[str8flexed]

+1, thats like saying anyone that has a license will get in an accident sometime in their life

actually the average person gets in at least 1 accident every 10 years.

and the average person who lifts hard will at some point in their lifting career suffer an injury of sort

[Snadinator]

I think a great deal of this bicep tear talk is pretty alarmist. There are TONS of lifters that have used a mixed grip all their lives and never experienced tears, and there are some guys that have torn a bicep at 405lbs. I don't think it's worth it to tell yourself (or anyone else) that the hook grip is the only way to go.

There are also people who don't get cancer from smoking their entire lives. By your logic, it's fine to smoke...

What some of us are discussing are ways of lowering the odds. A hook grip is an excellent way of lowering the odds of a distal bicep rupture when deadlifting.

It takes some getting used to as hook grips are painful at first, but eventually the pain stops and you get used to it. I don't think anyone said it's the only way to go... rather it is one method of lowering the odds of a rupture. As someone who has had a bicep rupture, trust me... you don't want one.

[Doenitz79]

When I first switched to the hook,I was pulling 120kg only with alternate grip.
I had to lower down to 60kg using the hook! And even 60kg felt painful! After a while my thumb just went numb...

Took me around 2 months to get back to 120kg again?

[erikhutson]

lowering the odds doesnt mean a 100% chance you still wont injure yourself, call me a sucker for pain but I feel most comfortable with my alt grip and wont change it just to lower my odds of a tear by a little bit.

[Jason2459]

The main thing about the alternate grip is that you tend to try and shrug and flex the elbows like going for an upright row during the lift and usually towards the lockout phase which causes the tears. Could be either bicep but usually it's the underhand grip arm that suffers.

The hook grip lends itself to reduce the chance because you are less likely to do both of those motions that will cause the bicep tear. Not really because both hands are overhand. You can still suffer a tear if somehow you end up flexing the elbows too.

Best bet is to make sure to slowly take the slack out of the bar and flex your triceps the entire time no mater what kind of grip you use. Pay attention to never use your arms. That's why really heavy pin pulls are good because it trains you to learn how to strain. Once you learn how to strain it wont be such a shock on the system and you can start thinking at the same time as pulling max weight.

[Snadinator]

lowering the odds doesnt mean a 100% chance you still wont injure yourself, call me a sucker for pain but I feel most comfortable with my alt grip and wont change it just to lower my odds of a tear by a little bit.

I never said otherwise. In fact I said it myself that the hook grip is not fool proof and that a distal tear is still possible.

[str8flexed]

lowering the odds doesnt mean a 100% chance you still wont injure yourself, call me a sucker for pain but I feel most comfortable with my alt grip and wont change it just to lower my odds of a tear by a little bit.

actually it lowers it by quite a bit. In fact I don't know of anyone who has torn a bicep with both hands pronated.

I remember when I said I wouldn't adopt a powerlifting style bench with elbows in because I liked benching bodybuilding style and that I wasn't going to change it 'just to lower my risk of injury by a little bit'

1 full pec tear and pectoral reattachment surgery later and one year of rehab makes you think differently.

But it will never happen to you right?

Nothing is ever that bad until it happens to you.

I'm not trying to be hard on you, i'm trying to help you guys, because you think like I used to think and it damn near ended my competitive career

[str8flexed]

The main thing about the alternate grip is that you tend to try and shrug and flex the elbows like going for an upright row during the lift and usually towards the lockout phase which causes the tears. Could be either bicep but usually it's the underhand grip arm that suffers.

The hook grip lends itself to reduce the chance because you are less likely to do both of those motions that will cause the bicep tear. Not really because both hands are overhand. You can still suffer a tear if somehow you end up flexing the elbows too.

Best bet is to make sure to slowly take the slack out of the bar and flex your triceps the entire time no mater what kind of grip you use. Pay attention to never use your arms. That's why really heavy pin pulls are good because it trains you to learn how to strain. Once you learn how to strain it wont be such a shock on the system and you can start thinking at the same time as pulling max weight.

well supinating actually does involve more of the forarm muscles from what I understand and actually does take some mechanical stress off of the bicep

[Jason2459]

well supinating actually does involve more of the forarm muscles from what I understand and actually does take some mechanical stress off of the bicep

true until you decide to try and shrug/upright row the bar. Which is an unconscious natural thing to try and do when lifting things up off the ground.

[str8flexed]

true until you decide to try and shrug/upright row the bar. Which is an unconscious natural thing to try and do when lifting things up off the ground.

oh I agree that if you try to pull with your arms then you definitely have a problem. but even if you do shrug, it's going to be less stress with the hook grip than with a over/under, but is it completely fool proof, absolutely not you are correct.

My surgeon told me that one of the NFL guys he operated on tore his bicep just going up to catch a pass, he reach out his arm and it tore; no contact, nothing. IN my surgeon's words... "sometimes **** just happens"

So sometimes **** just happens; but you still need to take every reasonable step to prevent it.

I do realize that for some people the hook grip is not possible if their fingers are too short. In that case if they are not competitive powerlifters I would use straps and still lift over over

[freeride88]

There are also people who don't get cancer from smoking their entire lives. By your logic, it's fine to smoke...


Inhaling smoke minutely damages the lungs, every time you do it, whether or not it causes you to develop a deadly cancer. Deadlifting doesn't damage the bicep every time you lift. It's a terrible analogy.

The hook grip is a sacrifice in itself. It's going to cause deadening of several of the nerves in your thumbs. This isn't something most people welcome in their daily lives, either.

Learning to deadlift properly with a mixed grip lowers your chance of tearing a bicep to nearly nothing, unless you're one of the unlucky people with weak tendons/inserts, in which case you are likely to tear it anyway. It's just not worth arguing about.

[Jason2459]

oh I agree that if you try to pull with your arms then you definitely have a problem. but even if you do shrug, it's going to be less stress with the hook grip than with a over/under, but is it completely fool proof, absolutely not you are correct.

My surgeon told me that one of the NFL guys he operated on tore his bicep just going up to catch a pass, he reach out his arm and it tore; no contact, nothing. IN my surgeon's words... "sometimes **** just happens"

So sometimes **** just happens; but you still need to take every reasonable step to prevent it.

I do realize that for some people the hook grip is not possible if their fingers are too short. In that case if they are not competitive powerlifters I would use straps and still lift over over

Absolutely, I totally agree that the DO hook grip is the way to go to help prevent the bicep tear. It's also much harder to do the movements that would cause the tear.

Also, I believe in training the biceps to help prevent that from happening too. Which most powerlifters frown down on training biceps directly.

[str8flexed]

Inhaling smoke minutely damages the lungs, every time you do it, whether or not it causes you to develop a deadly cancer. Deadlifting doesn't damage the bicep every time you lift. It's a terrible analogy.

The hook grip is a sacrifice in itself. It's going to cause deadening of several of the nerves in your thumbs. This isn't something most people welcome in their daily lives, either.

Learning to deadlift properly with a mixed grip lowers your chance of tearing a bicep to nearly nothing, unless you're one of the unlucky people with weak tendons/inserts, in which case you are likely to tear it anyway. It's just not worth arguing about.

so all these pro deadlifters I read about who tear their biceps they must not know how to lift properly?

[freeride88]

so all these pro deadlifters I read about who tear their biceps they must not know how to lift properly?

I'm guessing you actually think that their "supplement usage" has absolutely nothing to do with it, right? Since nearly NO elite powerlifters use the hook grip, how would you explain that? Are you just smarter than they are?

Lifters get hurt. Pro-level lifters get hurt MORE often, because they push further and take more risks. This doesn't make some high school kid in Kansas have to learn the hook grip.

I don't disagree that the hook grip greatly lessens the likelihood of a bicep tear while deadlifting, but it's a problem to learn for most folks. If it's so foolproof and so easy to learn, how come you only see a couple elite powerlifters (the Gillinghams are the only that come to mind) using it?

[str8flexed]

Brad Gillingham is not an elite powerlifter?

and my guess is many more could pull hook, but are stubborn like you :)

Plus almost all olympic lifters use a hook grip; doesn't seem to hurt them

[BEhave]

Brad Gillingham is not an elite powerlifter?

and my guess is many more could pull hook, but are stubborn like you :)

Plus almost all olympic lifters use a hook grip; doesn't seem to hurt them

Hook is the only way to pull when doing cleans or snatches

[Snadinator]

Inhaling smoke minutely damages the lungs, every time you do it, whether or not it causes you to develop a deadly cancer. Deadlifting doesn't damage the bicep every time you lift. It's a terrible analogy.

It's a perfect analogy to display how asinine your post was.


The hook grip is a sacrifice in itself. It's going to cause deadening of several of the nerves in your thumbs. This isn't something most people welcome in their daily lives, either.

No one said they were obligatory. You said yourself that they lessen the chance of a bicep rupture, that is all that is being discussed.


Learning to deadlift properly with a mixed grip lowers your chance of tearing a bicep to nearly nothing, unless you're one of the unlucky people with weak tendons/inserts, in which case you are likely to tear it anyway. It's just not worth arguing about.

The chances are there nevertheless. It is a very real possibility to rupture one's distal tendon. I've seen it happen with my very eyes on a few occasions where lifters with ideal technique had the distal tendon rupture and have the bicep roll up into their armpit.


I don't disagree that the hook grip greatly lessens the likelihood of a bicep tear while deadlifting, but it's a problem to learn for most folks. If it's so foolproof and so easy to learn, how come you only see a couple elite powerlifters (the Gillinghams are the only that come to mind) using it?


What exactly are you arguing about then? I've said it 2-3 times now that it's not foolproof.

BTW, since you obligated me to show some videos of myself in the "Highest Ever THSPA Squat: 840 lbs" thread before you gave me an ounce of respect, let's see some of yours. Fair is fair after all.

[Snadinator]

Hook is the only way to pull when doing cleans or snatches

But they hook when doing clean pulls and snatch pulls (essentially deadlifts and snatch grip deadlifts).

[BEhave]

But they hook when doing clean pulls and snatch pulls (essentially deadlifts and snatch grip deadlifts).

Hmm well its probably just the way they were thought when they first started lifting and it stuck with them.

[Snadinator]

Hmm well its probably just the way they were thought when they first started lifting and it stuck with them.

Actually it's because they need to mimic the first pull of a snatch or clean as best they can while handeling heavier weight.

Anyways, I myself don't use a hook grip. I used to and was doing ~ 700lbs. I switched to a reverse because I felt it worked the grip better which I need for strongman. If I was 100% focused in powerlifting, I'd consider the hook grip again. It would hurt for the first month or so, but eventually the thumb got calloused up and I wouldn't feel anything from it. I've seen some put bandaids on their thumbs to cushion them.

Anyhow, this is just a discussion and the point being, the hook -can- lessen the chance of a distal bicep tendon rupture. Brad Gillingham has still torn his bicep tendon while pulling with a hook IIRC.

[freeride88]

Brad Gillingham is not an elite powerlifter?

and my guess is many more could pull hook, but are stubborn like you :)

Plus almost all olympic lifters use a hook grip; doesn't seem to hurt them

Can you read? I said I could only think of a couple elite powerlifters and named the Gillinghams.

[freeride88]

It's a perfect analogy to display how asinine your post was.


BTW, since you obligated me to show some videos of myself in the "Highest Ever THSPA Squat: 840 lbs" thread before you gave me an ounce of respect, let's see some of yours. Fair is fair after all.

My post was not asinine. Let me explain, if it's too complicated for you. Smoking damages your lungs and CAN lead to more than one type of cancer. It doesn't ALWAYS lead to cancer, but it does lead to DAMAGE. Deadlifting with a mixed grip CAN lead to a bicep tear, but it's not NEARLY as common as cancer is to smokers, and it DOESN'T lead to damage of the biceps. It's not complicated. Smoking does damage your lungs, minutely EVERY TIME YOU SMOKE. If you're claiming that deadlifting does minute damage to your biceps every time you lift, you'd have a decent analogy...and of course you'd be absolutely wrong.

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for, but I've posted videos here before. There are plenty of people here who have seen me lift. Besides, this has NOTHING to do with MY lifts. You don't have to be a big deadlifter to know that a mixed grip can lead to a bicep tear, and that a hook grip can allay that risk...but it's still not the best option for most folks, and this is proven by the absolute fact that nearly NO elite powerlifters use the hook grip.





Anyways, I myself don't use a hook grip. I used to and was doing ~ 700lbs. I switched to a reverse because I felt it worked the grip better which I need for strongman. If I was 100% focused in strongman, I'd consider the hook grip again. It would hurt for the first month or so, but eventually the thumb got calloused up and I wouldn't feel anything from it. I've seen some put bandaids on their thumbs to cushion them.

Anyhow, this is just a discussion and the point being, the hook -can- lessen the chance of a distal bicep tendon rupture. Brad Gillingham has still torn his bicep tendon while pulling with a hook IIRC.

This is ridiculous. You don't even use a hook grip AND you give an example of a lifter tearing a bicep WHILE USING the hook grip. Why are you arguing again?

[Snadinator]

My post was not asinine. Let me explain, if it's too complicated for you. Smoking damages your lungs and CAN lead to more than one type of cancer. It doesn't ALWAYS lead to cancer, but it does lead to DAMAGE. Deadlifting with a mixed grip CAN lead to a bicep tear, but it's not NEARLY as common as cancer is to smokers, and it DOESN'T lead to damage of the biceps. It's not complicated. Smoking does damage your lungs, minutely EVERY TIME YOU SMOKE. If you're claiming that deadlifting does minute damage to your biceps every time you lift, you'd have a decent analogy...and of course you'd be absolutely wrong.

You are very confrontational. What I considered asinine was


There are TONS of lifters that have used a mixed grip all their lives and never experienced tears,

To which my response was valid. Just because it doesn't happen to most doesn't mean it can't happen. That's the point.




I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for, but I've posted videos here before. There are plenty of people here who have seen me lift. Besides, this has NOTHING to do with MY lifts. You don't have to be a big deadlifter to know that a mixed grip can lead to a bicep tear, and that a hook grip can allay that risk...but it's still not the best option for most folks, and this is proven by the absolute fact that nearly NO elite powerlifters use the hook grip.

So let's see a few videos if they are already out there. You brushed me off until I posted my credentials (something I considered in very poor taste) and think it's only fair you show something from you.




This is ridiculous. You don't even use a hook grip AND you give an example of a lifter tearing a bicep while USING the hook grip. Why are we arguing again?

As I asked you, you said yourself that the hook grip lessens the chance of a tear (but does not eliminate it completely). That is all that is being discussed. I don't know why you need to be so confrontational about all of this. A little etiquette wouldn't hurt.

[BBDF]

today I tried hook grip for the frist time on SL deadlift, my thumb kept slipping and I wasn't able to do as much as I ussally can. Im thinking I may invest in a pair of lifting straps and try using them double over hand.

[freeride88]

So let's see a few videos if they are already out there. You brushed me off until I posted my credentials (something I considered in very poor taste) and think it's only fair you show something from you.


Here's the only couple I have currently online...and even they are a year old.

http://www.ironscene.com/videos/2715_390lbs_viking_press

http://www.ironscene.com/videos/2716_335lbs_push_press

[PowerFe2479]

I deadlifted again today and tried another attempt at the hook grip. I just dont know how long it will take to get used to it but i was doing sets of 335x8 which is moderatly lighter than my normal workouts and i had to drop the weight after just 3 reps and switch to alternate grip. It is almost like my nail is about to explode and the knurling rips apart my thumb print. Other than that it was a really good workout im really starting to love the sumo style my back feels amazing compared to regular style when i couldnt even bend over the next morning to brush my teeth without it siezing up.