Powertec rack commercial one or not ? [Archive]

archepic

03-30-2009, 01:56 PM

I know there is lot of thread comparing racks but I want to discuss about specific differences between these 2. I think I will be buying the commercial one. It has some advantages but is it worth the price ?

Pros
2 Bar holder at the end
10 Plate Storage post
3x3 tubing
the bench can be fixed
better racking pins ?
better safety spotters ?
warranty ?

Cons
no lats tower possible
price

I am missing something ?

PullBig

03-30-2009, 01:59 PM

There are better racks out there for the money. I think the commercial is around 1200 and you can do better for that much.

archepic

03-30-2009, 02:07 PM

Essexlad

03-30-2009, 02:26 PM

This one and the Atlantis ones are the only one I tried. I don't want to order something I didn't tried and hate the feeling of using it. Also, i'm in Canada and there is a limited nb of brands available in local stores. Not all sites ship to Canada and shipping cost are crazy too.

Can I ask if this is for a home gym? If it is I really don't see the point of a comercial rack for the home, unless you can get it much cheaper than retail. A decent mid range rack is not going to fail under home use. So all you're really paying for is a high chin bar, and the ability to do standing shoulder press inside the rack.
If it were me I'd save the exta $$ for other thing to furnish your gym with other kit.

If you're getting it for a commercial gym, then fair enough really!

dumb.bell

03-30-2009, 02:51 PM

What is the price differential between the Powertec and the Atlantis?

archepic

03-30-2009, 04:03 PM

Can I ask if this is for a home gym? If it is I really don't see the point of a comercial rack for the home, unless you can get it much cheaper than retail. A decent mid range rack is not going to fail under home use. So all you're really paying for is a high chin bar, and the ability to do standing shoulder press inside the rack.
If it were me I'd save the exta $$ for other thing to furnish your gym with other kit.

If you're getting it for a commercial gym, then fair enough really!

Home gymn. Commercial rack are the only ones (I think) that comes with 10 plates storage posts plus there are other advantages I listed above.

archepic

03-30-2009, 04:07 PM

What is the price differential between the Powertec and the Atlantis?

I had a quote for commercial half rack a while ago and they were about the same.

RHINO240

03-30-2009, 04:46 PM

cndGuy

03-30-2009, 04:52 PM

Pros
2 Bar holder at the end - so what?
10 Plate Storage post - buy a weight tree instead.
3x3 tubing - so what?
the bench can be fixed - what a PIA that would be!
better racking pins ? - no problems with the residential racking pins.
better safety spotters ?- no problems with the residential safety bars.
warranty ? - it's a metal cage. If you don't see any problems when you assemble it, then you won't be making a warranty claim anyway.

Cons
no lats tower possible - THAT SUCKS.
price - THAT REALLY SUCKS!

I am missing something ?
I think you're missing the fact that you're hooked on the "Commercial" moniker. I don't like to buy things twice so I tend to select the higher end stuff even when my modest needs do not justify paying the premium price. Keep in mind though that there are some pretty big guys on here getting by fine with residential power racks.

4MEandThem

03-30-2009, 05:38 PM

I have a 3x3 rack with 1 1/4 holes and it impossible to find accessories for it. You are prolly better off with 2x2 and 1 inch holes.

josephhkim

03-30-2009, 07:16 PM

for the price range, you might want to check out custom racks from elitefts.

The racks are well priced for the high quality and customability you get.

I couldnt be happier with mine.

dumb.bell

03-30-2009, 08:47 PM

I had a quote for commercial half rack a while ago and they were about the same.

I'm with you, I prefer the commercial stuff, and I really like having the plate rack on the cage. Larger spotters are also a plus. It would be an easy choice for me between the two powertec pieces. I'd get the commercial one.

However, I was asking about the price of the Atlantis because it is really nice equipment. I have three selectorized pieces and they are made really well (some of the highest quality pieces I've seen). For the same price, I'd rather have the Atlantis (but only if the half cage is as strong as a cage). I've only seen one half cage in person that I felt compared favorably with a full cage. It was a collegiate half rack by Bodymasters. My friend has the Bodymasters half rack and it is solid. I would rather have it than the powertec.

From the pictures on Atlantis's web page their half cage looks comparable to the Bodymasters (within 15lbs in weight). The spotters look like they might be a little shorter, but it could just be the picture. If it were me, the decision would be between the Commercial Powertec and the Atlantis piece, and I'd probably lean towards the Atlantis.

Keetman

03-30-2009, 09:57 PM

Guy named "Chipdouglas" spent about 15 years on here deciding what rack he wanted, then decided on the Atlantis Half Rack last July.

Here's the final thread, but there was a lot of searching/researching going on prior to this:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=108387551&highlight=atlantis

Here is a pic of his rack:

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq203/Keetman/Misc%20Equipment/ChipDouglasatlantisrack.jpg

Then.....As the Rack Turns took another strange turn when he sold it and replace it with this ST Fitness Rack:

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq203/Keetman/Misc%20Equipment/douglasstrack.jpg

Thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=114876111&highlight=chipdouglas

None of this really helps you, as you're wanting a rack that has storage. But although the Atlantis is a nice half rack, probably one of the best....still a half rack. Even a guy that actually took years off his life researching and buying one decided he wanted a full cage.

I think you'd be better served with a mid-level too....but I also understand getting really cool stuff if you can, so knock yourself out. Just be sure you really want that half rack if you go that rout.

Actually...don't go that rout ;)

archepic

03-31-2009, 07:55 AM

Just be sure you really want that half rack if you go that rout.

Actually...don't go that rout ;)

There is also Atlantis model C-210, a half rack with full length safeties. This is what I use everyday at my job's gymn. Still I don't think I will go with Atlantis since there are some disavantages vs Powertec.

- Plates holder are 2x3 on each side which is less convenient than 6 in a row
- No Bar Holder
- Atlantis Bench doesn't fix and is wayyy more expensive than the Powertec one
- No dips bar

Essexlad

03-31-2009, 08:20 AM

There is also Atlantis model C-210, a half rack with full length safeties. This is what I use everyday at my job's gymn. Still I don't think I will go with Atlantis since there are some disavantages vs Powertec.

- Plates holder are 2x3 on each side which is less convenient than 6 in a row
- No Bar Holder
- Atlantis Bench doesn't fix and is wayyy more expensive than the Powertec one
- No dips bar

Your paying for a full commercial rack, and pairing it with a powertec bench? There are WAY better benchs than that even for not much more money, sure it locks in, but thats a pretty useless and time consuming feature.
Your pretty much paying 600USD over a standard rack for bar holders and plate storage? Wish I had that money to spend on what amounts to a weight tree!
Someone mentioned EliteFTS, see if they'll ship to Canada (they should they ship to the UK!) thier racks beat the hell out of that commercial powertec in options alone (which includes 6 aside weight storage) and are just as strong.

archepic

03-31-2009, 08:44 AM

Your paying for a full commercial rack, and pairing it with a powertec bench? There are WAY better benchs than that even for not much more money, sure it locks in, but thats a pretty useless and time consuming feature.
Your pretty much paying 600USD over a standard rack for bar holders and plate storage? Wish I had that money to spend on what amounts to a weight tree!
Someone mentioned EliteFTS, see if they'll ship to Canada (they should they ship to the UK!) thier racks beat the hell out of that commercial powertec in options alone (which includes 6 aside weight storage) and are just as strong.

I'm not getting Atlantis, it was just to discuss it. Right now I am getting Powertec. You are probably right about their lock in features, I never tried it so IDK if it's useful.

Just to be clear, price difference of 500$ or even 1000$ is not an issue for something that I will keep for the rest of my life and uses 3 times a week.

That said I will definitely take a look (again) at EliteFTS

dumb.bell

03-31-2009, 09:01 AM

Don't know if they will ship to Canada or not, but I think the Pro-Fitness racks are a good value

http://www.pro-fitness.com/power_station.htm
http://www.pro-fitness.com/pro_power_station.htm

When I contacted them, shipping was pretty reasonable for the US.

Keetman

03-31-2009, 09:12 AM

There is also Atlantis model C-210, a half rack with full length safeties. This is what I use everyday at my job's gymn. Still I don't think I will go with Atlantis since there are some disavantages vs Powertec.

- Plates holder are 2x3 on each side which is less convenient than 6 in a row
- No Bar Holder
- Atlantis Bench doesn't fix and is wayyy more expensive than the Powertec one
- No dips bar

That rack is a sumo rack, not a half rack. That explains why you like it :). Sumo's allow you to safely do about anything you can in a full cage.

If money's only a partial consideration and you can afford the Atlantis Sumo you pictured there......that's the one I'd get!

There are also some other manufacturers of sumos like that in the $1500 range.....Animalfan has researched them as he has a sumo like that and is on a quest to find out who made it.

Oh....how much does the Atlantis cost?

dumb.bell

03-31-2009, 10:59 AM

That rack is a sumo rack, not a half rack. That explains why you like it :). Sumo's allow you to safely do about anything you can in a full cage.

If money's only a partial consideration and you can afford the Atlantis Sumo you pictured there......that's the one I'd get!

There are also some other manufacturers of sumos like that in the $1500 range.....Animalfan has researched them as he has a sumo like that and is on a quest to find out who made it.

Oh....how much does the Atlantis cost?

As best I can tell, Animalfan's was made by Hammer Strength. I have the same Sumo Cage and it has the Hammer Strength logo on it. I'm trying to get Hammer Strength to confirm so that I can purchase some accessories. I love the Sumo racks.

animalfan

03-31-2009, 11:22 AM

As best I can tell, Animalfan's was made by Hammer Strength. I have the same Sumo Cage and it has the Hammer Strength logo on it. I'm trying to get Hammer Strength to confirm so that I can purchase some accessories. I love the Sumo racks.

i've also sent a few emails with no reply as of yet. sent pics to york and i sent some to hammer as well. oh well, i might try to make some extra bar holders sometime.

dumb.bell

03-31-2009, 07:03 PM

Extra bar holders are what I'm most interested in. I've kicked around the idea of making some too. I think Hammer quoted me over $100 a piece for their new ones.

I would also like to have some of those technique trays.

animalfan

03-31-2009, 07:40 PM

dumb.bell

03-31-2009, 07:44 PM

I didn't either. Especially since the person wasn't sure they would work on my cage (granted the customer service rep didn't have a picture of my cage).

Skidmarx

04-01-2009, 02:41 AM

An alternative is the York ST Series. G2 Fitness sells them for $1200 shipped.

http://www.g2fitnessproducts.com/ProductImages/york_barbell/st_series/54030_power_rack.png

halfmoonflye

04-01-2009, 06:37 AM

Keetman

04-01-2009, 06:45 AM

I have the powertec rack and I highly recommend it for a home gym. Very sturdy, use it for fairly heavy lifts of around 400 lbs. Pulley is very smooth and can handle a lot of weight. Comes with dip handles, varied grip chin/pull up handles. Also not as high as some other power racks, mines in basement.
No plate storage on cage would be my only neg. I just have a stand off to one side.

LOL.....did you read any part of this thread before you posted? Even the title?

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

halfmoonflye

04-01-2009, 06:59 AM

LOL.....did you read any part of this thread before you posted? Even the title?

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

COMMERCIAL POWERTEC RACK

WTF?

Keetman

04-01-2009, 07:03 AM

WTF?

Powertec sells 2 different racks; a commercial one and a residential one. The OP has clearly stated he's looking at the commercial one which has storage pegs and no lat tower possibility. The rack you have suggested is clearly the more common residential power rack and clearly not the one he's looking at.

Hope that helps.

halfmoonflye

04-01-2009, 07:15 AM

Powertec sells 2 different racks; a commercial one and a residential one. The OP has clearly stated he's looking at the commercial one which has storage pegs and no lat tower possibility. The rack you have suggested is clearly the more common residential power rack and clearly not the one he's looking at.

Hope that helps.

He is asking differences between the two, I have the residential rack and stated that its advantages. I have used both and unless your lifting huge weight, over 500lbs, why spend the extra money for the commercial rack.

Keetman

04-01-2009, 07:52 AM

He is asking differences between the two, I have the residential rack and stated that its advantages. I have used both and unless your lifting huge weight, over 500lbs, why spend the extra money for the commercial rack.

There is a tiny little window of possibility you are right. I reread the op and maybe that's what he's wanting to know. He only talks about the Commercial one and then the thread immediately went down the Atlantis and "...money is almost no issue.." path. I saw nothing the whole time I've been reading this that gave me the indication he cared at all for the residential rack.

If he is comparing those two......I stand corrected and apologize.

If I'm right I'll at least admit that his post leaves open that possibility and I reacted too harshly to your post.

J1n

04-01-2009, 07:59 AM

There is a tiny little window of possibility you are right. I reread the op and maybe that's what he's wanting to know. He only talks about the Commercial one and then the thread immediately went down the Atlantis and "...money is almost no issue.." path. I saw nothing the whole time I've been reading this that gave me the indication he cared at all for the residential rack.

If he is comparing those two......I stand corrected and apologize.

If I'm right I'll at least admit that his post leaves open that possibility and I reacted too harshly to your post.

LOL wow your an idiot. did YOU read the title.

"Powertec rack commercial one or not ?"

yeah read it again dumbass

animalfan

04-01-2009, 08:07 AM

LOL wow your an idiot. did YOU read the title.

"Powertec rack commercial one or not ?"

yeah read it again dumbass

no need for all of that. he said if he's wrong he apologizes.

Keetman

04-01-2009, 08:14 AM

LOL wow your an idiot. did YOU read the title.

"Powertec rack commercial one or not ?"

yeah read it again dumbass

LOL.

Grow up son.

I reacted harshly and admitted it. In fact, you quoted not my harsh post...but my apology.

I'm hardly a dumbass....I'm capable of a mistake and I'll gladly admit it...I can do no more than this.

archepic

04-01-2009, 08:16 AM

An alternative is the York ST Series. G2 Fitness sells them for $1200 shipped.

G2Fitness doesn't ship to canada :(

dumb.bell

04-01-2009, 08:21 AM

If he is comparing those two......I stand corrected and apologize.

Whether you were right or wrong isn't important, but the fact that you would admit that you might be wrong says everything. I've been impressed with all of your post, especially this one. I wish I could give you more reps, but the system won't let me at this time (requires me to pass them around some more).

J1n

04-01-2009, 09:48 AM

LOL.

Grow up son.

I reacted harshly and admitted it. In fact, you quoted not my harsh post...but my apology.

I'm hardly a dumbass....I'm capable of a mistake and I'll gladly admit it...I can do no more than this.

lol you tellin me to grow up?

Age: 37

you responded to his post like a 14 yr old girl. QFT

Keetman

04-01-2009, 09:54 AM

lol you tellin me to grow up?

Age: 37

you responded to his post like a 14 yr old girl. QFT

Yes, I'm yelling you to grow up.

I made a mistake. I responded to that like a man......I admitted it.

I'm done with you.

Wildtim

04-01-2009, 10:11 AM

lol you tellin me to grow up?

Age: 37

you responded to his post like a 14 yr old girl. QFT

WOW, it gets worse. He apologized, like a man, move on already. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-character-smileys-192.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Sexy-Adult-Smileys/)

animalfan

04-01-2009, 10:11 AM

lol you tellin me to grow up?

Age: 37

you responded to his post like a 14 yr old girl. QFT

did someone piss in your frosted flakes this morning?

archepic

04-01-2009, 10:35 AM

I'm done with this thread. Next time I will be more clear with my question :) I will post a thread in the future with all the prices and models that are still options for me. In Canada it's different, Atlantis might be cheaper than in the US and I can pick it up straight from their warehouse. Also some big US retailer doesn't ship here or have crazy shipping cost that make the deal less interesting for me.