View Full Version : Victor gets screwed again
ShortnStacked
03-07-2009, 06:39 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
NaturalLoco
03-07-2009, 07:03 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
how is he clearly better?
Kai won hands down without any hesitation..
all the experts had him winning and for all the right reasons
balls2wall
03-07-2009, 07:05 PM
no sir
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Entertainment
03-07-2009, 07:06 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
lol yea OoOoOk
ShortnStacked
03-07-2009, 07:09 PM
Victor was hands down better, i mean look at Kai's face when he won he was in shock
tolkaNo
03-07-2009, 07:10 PM
kai's midsection looked much improved
LatinoMusculito
03-07-2009, 07:10 PM
holy crap kai makes victor look an amateur in these pics.
his legs are twice as big!
BandApart
03-07-2009, 07:12 PM
branch got screwed if anything, i could have seen it
kai
branch
vic
ShortnStacked
03-07-2009, 07:12 PM
holy crap kai makes victor look an amateur in these pics.
his legs are twice as big!
Really? so Victor must make Kai look like an amateur when it comes to their backs
Really? so Victor must make Kai look like an amateur when it comes to their backs
WONG.
wilwn
03-07-2009, 07:15 PM
victor didn't get screwed. i like victor's structure and overall shape a lot more, especially with kai's ever-growing midsection, but kai was better conditioned with much better legs.
mr.anderson
03-07-2009, 07:15 PM
branch got screwed if anything, i could have seen it
kai
branch
vic
i agree man.. i would have been cool with branch or kai winning, but NO WAY should vic have been top 2.. branch got fukked.. and silvio at fifth?had him at 4.. guy has no skin..shredddddeeeeddd
j_neatherlin
03-07-2009, 07:17 PM
Kai deserved the win.
Vic has a very pleasing physique, but he just wasn't hard enough and he needs more time to bring his legs back up to pre-injury status.
Kai was the better man tonight.
Loctus
03-07-2009, 07:17 PM
Kai pwned the living **** out of that lineup in every way imaginable.
Kai pwned the living **** out of that lineup in every way imaginable.
Yep, he sure did.
NaturalLoco
03-07-2009, 07:20 PM
victor didn't get screwed. i like victor's structure and overall shape a lot more, especially with kai's ever-growing midsection, but kai was better conditioned with much better legs.
Kai's midsection looked tight i think.. alot sharper then last years arnold
Supercows
03-07-2009, 07:20 PM
i dont think that he got screwed. I think that people had very high, too high expectations for victor coming off of a serious injury and with 18 months of him not being on stage he had alot of pressure on him. But He looked great imo, kais win was well deserved & im sure that victor is ok with his placing and that he'll be back even better at the olympia.
mr.anderson
03-07-2009, 07:21 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
vic did to cutler in 07 what cutler did to ronnie in 01, he staggered him but couldn't finish, even gunter said that, get over the 07 olympia.. and kai handled vic tonight, and so did warren imo
mr.anderson
03-07-2009, 07:22 PM
judging from these pics it seems like kai beats victor in every area..hmmmm
JIGSAW
03-07-2009, 07:23 PM
holy crap kai makes victor look an amateur in these pics.
his legs are twice as big!
x2....Kai's legs are insane............
mr.anderson
03-07-2009, 07:24 PM
Victor was hands down better, i mean look at Kai's face when he won he was in shock
i think anybody would be in shock when they win the AC.. it's a hell of an accomplishment..
BuffGuy123
03-07-2009, 07:26 PM
Vic lost due to his leg size.. enough said... Im sure few months training will c more improved VIc come Olympia.
realistromeo
03-07-2009, 07:27 PM
Victors upper body is always top 1 or 2 but sadly his legs werent even in the top 6.
A 2nd place finish is justifiable.
Newbtime
03-07-2009, 07:34 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
ur delusional, vics legs looked like complete ****.. kai was far more complete.
stri8ted1
03-07-2009, 07:44 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
you might wanna re watch the finals and put on a apair of glasses
its clear that Victor wasn't robbed and the better man Kai, won it
wilwn
03-07-2009, 08:07 PM
Kai's midsection looked tight i think.. alot sharper then last years arnold
it wasn't so bad. i thought it really detracted from this front double bi
GBLynden
03-07-2009, 08:16 PM
Based on the above pics, Vic looked a lot better to me than Kai. It's a bodybuilding contest, not a leg contest.
j_neatherlin
03-07-2009, 08:22 PM
Based on the above pics, Vic looked a lot better to me than Kai. It's a bodybuilding contest, not a leg contest.
just wow
ANARKY
03-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Kai is owning the **** out of Vic in this shot.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X3336_PDYAXTRORF.jpg
GBLynden
03-07-2009, 08:27 PM
just wow
So you think Kai's belly looking like it's about to blow a bubble looks good?
j_neatherlin
03-07-2009, 08:28 PM
So you think Kai's belly looking like it's about to blow a bubble looks good?
he dominated Vic, that's for sure
Hottsauce
03-07-2009, 08:33 PM
i thought it was pretty close, i had vic winning it, but i prefer him to win it, i hope he goes to the O and wins it because he really deserves it, i thought kai looked abit like a fridge
birdman2388
03-07-2009, 08:33 PM
LOL they all have big ****ing HGH guts, except that guy that came in sixth, and freemans is more on the controlled side. Kai killed victor, and branch should of took 2nd IMO.
TrainOfThought
03-07-2009, 08:33 PM
It was a no contest between the two.
Kai > Vic
birdman2388
03-07-2009, 08:34 PM
i love victor, he just wasnt on tonight and he has to be 100% to have that huge wow factor.
Branch should've taken Victor's placing
tony404
03-07-2009, 08:46 PM
Branch should've taken Victor's placing
Yeah after looking at those pics I agree.
mr.anderson
03-07-2009, 09:24 PM
i thought it was pretty close, i had vic winning it, but i prefer him to win it, i hope he goes to the O and wins it because he really deserves it, i thought kai looked abit like a fridge
how does vic deserve to win the olympia? vic couldn't dominate jay cutler in o7 to win the olympia.. cutler was off and vic still couldn't dominate.. i think vic will fall out of teh top five this year
BandApart
03-07-2009, 09:25 PM
Branch should've taken Victor's placing
agreed 100%
mr.anderson
03-07-2009, 09:25 PM
Yeah after looking at those pics I agree.
warren was at his best, so i don't know where he goes from here.. he'l probaly win most muscular AGAIN next year and get fukked on his placing AGAIN
how does vic deserve to win the olympia? vic couldn't dominate jay cutler in o7 to win the olympia.. cutler was off and vic still couldn't dominate.. i think vic will fall out of teh top five this year
I think Vic will beat dex like he always has. And Kai will beat Vic again. Phil Heath May beat all of them.
DK777
03-07-2009, 09:30 PM
wheres all the kai **** talkin Vic nut huggin fukkers now??? Its unfortunate what happened to Vic and I think it may have a effect on him in future shows, but for all those who thought he'd dominate once he came back, I never got it. Vic had probs bringin up his legs BEFORE the accident. How the hell is he supposed to bring them up and more improved shortly After?
stealth_swimmer
03-07-2009, 09:41 PM
kai's midsection looked much improved
I agree. It wasn't at it's best like when he was much smaller but it was definitely better than say like at the NY Pro that he won. In that show it was gettin kinda bloated.
Kai was like a better combo of Vic and Branch. Branch was pure thickness but not much aesthetics and had great conditioning(though was havin trouble posing). Vic had the widest upper body next to Toney Freeman and had great aesthetics plus mass and good conditioning. Kai had great conditioning and thickness, especially in the legs, and also had great back width and overall size.
really_nice_guy
03-07-2009, 09:45 PM
Kai Greene kicked Victor's ass.
I honestly think Branch should have got 2nd and Victor 3rd.
Newbtime
03-07-2009, 09:49 PM
Based on the above pics, Vic looked a lot better to me than Kai. It's a bodybuilding contest, not a leg contest.
ROFL what the **** does that mean? thats like saying its a football game not a how fast you can run game.
stealth_swimmer
03-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Kai Greene kicked Victor's ass.
I honestly think Branch should have got 2nd and Victor 3rd.
Sure, if you don't believe proportion and aesthetics have any place in bodybuilding then you could make that argument. :p
ANARKY
03-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Sure, if you don't believe proportion and aesthetics have any place in bodybuilding then you could make that argument. :p
Vics legs werent in proportion with his upper body but we as fans always like the guy with a great upper body and okay legs over the guy with a pretty good upper body with crazy legs.....kind of odd isnt it?
NaturalLoco
03-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Vics legs werent in proportion with his upper body but we as fans always like the guy with a great upper body and okay legs over the guy with a pretty good upper body with crazy legs.....kind of odd isnt it?
Sorry I'll have to disagree with you.. us fans want a complete bodybuilder with the entire package.. Kai in this case was the ****
Imo i never believed Victor's legs to be in proportion with his upper body.. quads/hams/calves.. he looks so dominate w/ upperbody mass but cant bring the legs.. even in 07 at the olympia i thought he looked terrific but could use some more leg mass
ANARKY
03-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Sorry I'll have to disagree with you.. us fans want a complete bodybuilder with the entire package.. Kai in this case was the ****
Imo i never believed Victor's legs to be in proportion with his upper body.. quads/hams/calves.. he looks so dominate w/ upperbody mass but cant bring the legs.. even in 07 at the olympia i thought he looked terrific but could use some more leg mass
Did you even read what I said? The people I was comparing were Branch and Victor. No duh we want a complete bodybuilder but when it comes down to it the fans will pick the guy with a great upper body with below average legs (for his class) over the guy with a great upper body minus 1 flaw (arms need to be bigger) and world class legs. Overall Branch should of been ahead of Victor.
NaturalLoco
03-07-2009, 10:53 PM
Did you even read what I said? The people I was comparing were Branch and Victor. No duh we want a complete bodybuilder but when it comes down to it the fans will pick the guy with a great upper body with below average legs (for his class) over the guy with a great upper body minus 1 flaw (arms need to be bigger) and world class legs. Overall Branch should of been ahead of Victor.
Fair enough.
I was watching the stream and I had Kai 1st, Vic 2nd and Branch 3rd.. It was hard to justify the 2/3 placings but without pictures Branch didn't look as impressive as 2nd imo.. in the photos in this thread i would agree branch looks better but some how watching the vid it didn't look that way..
force_
03-07-2009, 11:16 PM
I think Kai took it hands down, I also think Branch should have been 2nd.
Vic was lucky to be in the top 3, his conditioning wasnt great,and his legs which were never a strong point on his physique are now even less so (understandably).
He has alot of work to do before the Olympia if he expects to place well let alone win it.There is no way Vic can take Dexter out with the physique he displayed tonight, I dont think hed get by Heath either.
That being said after having such a horrendous injury and long road to recovery it was good to see the guy back on stage.
F.
CanuckTank
03-07-2009, 11:18 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
You're delusional fanboy. Kai was much more complete than Victor.
Kai's legs were almost twice the size.
stealth_swimmer
03-07-2009, 11:44 PM
Vics legs werent in proportion with his upper body but we as fans always like the guy with a great upper body and okay legs over the guy with a pretty good upper body with crazy legs.....kind of odd isnt it?
Who's "we"? I think any bodybuilding fan should obviously be a fan of whoever represents the bodybuilding criteria. In terms of proportion, it's the X-frame with legs that balance out the upper body and each muscle group flowing with the others.
Sorry I'll have to disagree with you.. us fans want a complete bodybuilder with the entire package.. Kai in this case was the ****
Imo i never believed Victor's legs to be in proportion with his upper body.. quads/hams/calves.. he looks so dominate w/ upperbody mass but cant bring the legs.. even in 07 at the olympia i thought he looked terrific but could use some more leg mass
agreed 100% on everything you said in that post
CunnyFunt
03-08-2009, 01:21 AM
holy crap kai makes victor look an amateur in these pics.
his legs are twice as big!
I wouldn't wanna be the guy between Kai Greene & Branch Warren hitting a Thigh pose
BOUNTYHUNTERMK2
03-08-2009, 01:36 AM
Kai is owning the **** out of Vic in this shot.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X3336_PDYAXTRORF.jpg
Awesome pic-Kai sure does show up Vic in this one.
Kai was like a better combo of Vic and Branch. Branch was pure thickness but not much aesthetics and had great conditioning(though was havin trouble posing). Vic had the widest upper body next to Toney Freeman and had great aesthetics plus mass and good conditioning. Kai had great conditioning and thickness, especially in the legs, and also had great back width and overall size.
x2, interesting point comparing Kai as an amalgamation of Branch and Vic.
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 01:47 AM
Awesome pic-Kai sure does show up Vic in this one.
x2, interesting point comparing Kai as an amalgamation of Branch and Vic.
no, I said "combo"
...."amalgamation"? Who even uses that word? :p
BOUNTYHUNTERMK2
03-08-2009, 01:55 AM
no, I said "combo"
...."amalgamation"? Who even uses that word? :p
Clever folk......
Shall I hold out my wrists for you to slap then?!?
Gippe13
03-08-2009, 01:57 AM
Why does it seem like all the people who really dont know what they are talking about only metion the "Fridge"
bubba g
03-08-2009, 03:06 AM
http://www.flexonline.com/09contests/09arnold/men/victor_martinez/images/_MG_1958.jpg
http://www.flexonline.com/09contests/09arnold/men/kai_green/images/_MG_2126.jpg
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 03:09 AM
Clever folk......
Shall I hold out my wrists for you to slap then?!?
(no homo)? :p
:D
CunnyFunt
03-08-2009, 03:44 AM
^ 2posts up, reminds me of Jay v Ronnie 01 backshot
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8350/ronniecoleman03ml3.jpg
BOUNTYHUNTERMK2
03-08-2009, 04:22 AM
(no homo)? :p
:D
It's only homo if you want it to be.....:p(no homo) LOL
Tayyab
03-08-2009, 04:33 AM
I'd never want to be as ripped as that, Maybe just a little.. Not toooo much though.. Look at there butts o.O Square?
doubles
03-08-2009, 04:45 AM
vics calves look terrible infact he didnt bring anything, kai killed it and easily the best on the day.
MattyJ85
03-08-2009, 05:09 AM
1) I'd rather HAVE vic's physique over any of the others
2) Kai won fo sho'
3) Branch should NOT have placed lower than Vic !
EDIT: 4) PHIL HEATHS GONNA WIPE THE FLOOR WITH KAI !!!!!!!!!!
Zeneth
03-08-2009, 06:39 AM
Branch should have placed above Vic?
Do fans no longer care about aesthetics, shape and completeness?
Branch should have been BELOW Toney and Silvio.
Kai had better legs than Vic but Vic had a better upper body and better overall shape...I think that shifts the balance in his favour.
Loctus
03-08-2009, 06:41 AM
Branch should have placed above Vic?
Do fans no longer care about aesthetics, shape and completeness?
Branch should have been BELOW Toney and Silvio.
Kai had better legs than Vic but Vic had a better upper body and better overall shape...I think that shifts the balance in his favour.
http://i39.tinypic.com/qo84lk.jpg
Zeneth
03-08-2009, 07:01 AM
^ Strong arms.
Oh wait.
hbjcr
03-08-2009, 07:10 AM
his legs are twice as big!
... and feathered!
LevroneFan2002
03-08-2009, 07:28 AM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
Better structure+genetics yes, but legs+conditioning let him down.
iDarren
03-08-2009, 07:33 AM
Kai Green, the new Jay Cutler...
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_47I4726.jpg
buffgrk
03-08-2009, 07:51 AM
damn man, kai's legs give branches legs a run for their money!
Whey Hey
03-08-2009, 08:10 AM
http://www.flexonline.com/09contests/09arnold/men/victor_martinez/images/_MG_1958.jpg
http://www.flexonline.com/09contests/09arnold/men/kai_green/images/_MG_2126.jpg
Kai is destroying Victor in this shot..
Look at that back thickness, and that huge slab of hamstring Kai has... daem!
SOMEPARTS
03-08-2009, 08:22 AM
Kai Green, the new Jay Cutler...
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_47I4726.jpg
I think it's clear who is in 3rd place in this shot. Vic's lat spread is probably best of the 3 though.
Guest6666
03-08-2009, 08:41 AM
Vic was lucky to get 2nd
op is a troll
the-craig
03-08-2009, 08:51 AM
I think Victor was lucky to get 2nd place, I know I'm not the only one who had Branch placing higher than him. He has a good upper body, but his legs need major improvements, his arms and calves look full of oil, and his conditioning doesn't match the others around him such as Dexter, Kai and Phil. He's going to have a tough time at the Olympia even if he comes in condition I think, I would put all the above mentioned infront of him even when in shape.
At the end of the day I'd rather look like Vic than any of those other folks on stage. He brought an ideal physique in terms of size, proportion (same could be said of Freeman.)
As far as the placings go I'm not too upset about Kai winning. Only his huge gut detracts from an otherwise outstanding collection of bodyparts. Phil would've won this show if he'd bothered to show up and compete.
the-craig
03-08-2009, 09:05 AM
At the end of the day I'd rather look like Vic than any of those other folks on stage. He brought an ideal physique in terms of size, proportion (same could be said of Freeman.)
As far as the placings go I'm not too upset about Kai winning. Only his huge gut detracts from an otherwise outstanding collection of bodyparts. Phil would've won this show if he'd bothered to show up and compete.
What do you mean if he bothered? He is being wise and taking his time to make improvements. He obviously has a good shot at winning the Olympia this year, and taking a whole year off would make more sense to try and keep ahead of the competition.
BandApart
03-08-2009, 09:32 AM
Branch should have placed above Vic?
Do fans no longer care about aesthetics, shape and completeness?
Branch should have been BELOW Toney and Silvio.
Kai had better legs than Vic but Vic had a better upper body and better overall shape...I think that shifts the balance in his favour.
why should vic be awarded for coming in at 90%? he was much better in years past, that is taken into consideration. vic had small legs, but he has an aesthetic shape, so you can still call him complete? i dont see what branch is missing, he had the best condition and was the most muscular. he made great improvements and came in the best he ever has. that is what should win shows. as far as aesthetics, that it subjective. branch is very aesthetic imo.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X2553_TMMTCGHSJD.jpg
small arms?
http://i43.tinypic.com/w2us6.jpg
and a case can not even be made for vic above kai.
KevinSorbo
03-08-2009, 09:46 AM
^ 2posts up, reminds me of Jay v Ronnie 01 backshot
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8350/ronniecoleman03ml3.jpg
this is 03
Darren in Gym
03-08-2009, 09:47 AM
Vic was lucky with 2nd, he was off and his legs were seriously down. Branch has made huge improvements and brought the best conditioning (though Kai was close)
IMO:
1) Kai
2) Branch
3) Vic (only really his strength over the others was back width)
So whats the next biggish show?
Zeneth
03-08-2009, 09:50 AM
small arms?
Find a pic of the top 4 doing front double bicep and see Branch's weaknesses exposed.
BandApart
03-08-2009, 09:59 AM
Find a pic of the top 4 doing front double bicep and see Branch's weaknesses exposed.
looks great to me. not saying he wins this pose, but it is far from weak, maybe in relation to some of his others, but still one of the top fdb's imo.
http://i39.tinypic.com/10ql508.jpg
ANARKY
03-08-2009, 09:59 AM
Find a pic of the top 4 doing front double bicep and see Branch's weaknesses exposed.
Yea its a weakness just like Vic's conditioning/legs/calves are a weakness that Branch doesnt have. Vic had more weaknesses this show than Branch. /END THREAD.
the-craig
03-08-2009, 09:59 AM
So whats the next biggish show?
New York pro.
I_hate_Training
03-08-2009, 10:38 AM
I'd say that Vic has a better overall shape. Kai got the win I feel not on shape(his shape is odd) but more on his condition which was onion skinned and he was cut.
But, any of the top 3 could of won and not 1 person would of cried foul...they where all that good. At the O, I would think going by shape(Dex as Mr O) that Vic would beat Kai...but not this night.
mr.anderson
03-08-2009, 11:22 AM
Find a pic of the top 4 doing front double bicep and see Branch's weaknesses exposed.
lets see a pic of YOUR front double biceps and see your weakness exposed!! all these guys looked great and it was a great show..and vic by no stretch of anyones imagination should have been in the top 2..kai and branch brought it.vic didn't
Duckenheimer
03-08-2009, 11:45 AM
Based on the above pics, Vic looked a lot better to me than Kai. It's a bodybuilding contest, not a leg contest.
Vic is more aesthetic and has a much better upper back and I'd prefer to look like him, and was actually rooting for him in prejudging.
But Kai had MUCH better conditioning, top to bottom, had far superior lower lats, detail, legs, and VIC HAD NO LEGS.
Like you said, it IS a bodybuilding contest; and by bodybuilding criteria, Kai wins, hands down. It is not a "half of body"building contest.
And I really DON'T like the guts btw. I'd much rather look like Vic. But I try not to look at it too emotionally...
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 11:59 AM
Vic is more aesthetic and has a much better upper back and I'd prefer to look like him, and was actually rooting for him in prejudging.
But Kai had MUCH better conditioning, top to bottom, had far superior lower lats, detail, legs, and VIC HAD NO LEGS.
Like you said, it IS a bodybuilding contest; and by bodybuilding criteria, Kai wins, hands down. It is not a "half of body"building contest.
And I really DON'T like the guts btw. I'd much rather look like Vic. But I try not to look at it too emotionally...
If Vic had no legs here, then that means he had no legs at the 07 Olympia.
Mrtsoy
03-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Wow, Kai's full up and down shots, especially from the waist down, Victor ends up looking like an underdeveloped teenager o_0.
Kai won hands down, Branch 2nd for me due to sheer conditioning and wow factor. Victor falls inbetween but not really better than the other 2 objectively, subjectively he may be the most aesthetic, but he's mainly smooth when right next to those 2.
Victor is one of those people that look better in videos than in pics though, still I'm glad judging was most fair compared to the previous judgings, congrats to Kai, well deserved and hopefully with this win and momentum, he can get more sponsors, better money and able to develop his physique without much limitations on budget.
He might/can finally get a car :D
Duckenheimer
03-08-2009, 12:03 PM
If Vic had no legs here, then that means he had no legs at the 07 Olympia.
Rubbish, Vic had superior legs at the 07 Olympia, where they actually looked dominating from the side. No longer.
Rubbish, Vic had superior legs at the 07 Olympia, where they actually looked dominating from the side. No longer.
are you sure?
07 Olympia
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q1905_YENEEZCKAS.jpg
09 ASC
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X2002_WKOAHBEFVG.jpg
07 Olympia
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q4014_TRHZIRPBMA.jpg
09 ASC
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X2024_FVZQTPFHJD.jpg
I can certainly tell a slight difference from the side. But, I don't think it's drastic enough to say he wouldn't have placed 2nd at the 07 Olympia with this physique, he presented yesterday.
John Doe X
03-08-2009, 01:08 PM
Victor always had crappy quads, even pre-injury, his thighs looked fine in side shots but I always thought that he had some of the worst quads on stage
Darren in Gym
03-08-2009, 01:14 PM
So the question now is... can Kai beat Heath? this should be good, 2009 is shaping up to be quite a year, we got Dex coming in for his second, Jay is hungry to win again, Kai is hard charging, Wolf is coming back from minor operation and of Phil's got a whole year off for improvements.
Plus Branch is much improved, silvio was peeled, Freemen is great, Vic is back and Moe is coming up in the ranks. Bring on the rest of the schedule
OH!!! and RUHL!! is coming back for the NY Pro right?!!
balls2wall
03-08-2009, 01:54 PM
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/zanny_album/kaiback.jpg
pure domination
Whey Hey
03-08-2009, 02:28 PM
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/zanny_album/kaiback.jpg
pure domination
Freeman has the biggest back no doubt, but Kai's is more detailed..
mdvsony
03-08-2009, 02:32 PM
vic needs to come in looking harder.........
the-craig
03-08-2009, 02:35 PM
I think Moe's looks pretty crazy in that back shot above. Don't think it's the best by any means but better than I thought.
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 03:00 PM
are you sure?
07 Olympia
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q1905_YENEEZCKAS.jpg
09 ASC
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X2002_WKOAHBEFVG.jpg
07 Olympia
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q4014_TRHZIRPBMA.jpg
09 ASC
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X2024_FVZQTPFHJD.jpg
I can certainly tell a slight difference from the side. But, I don't think it's drastic enough to say he wouldn't have placed 2nd at the 07 Olympia with this physique, he presented yesterday.
Exactly, it's not a very big difference. Is there a difference? Yes, but it's not that much at all.
The real difference wasn't Victor...it was Victor being sandwiched between Kai and Branch in the comparisons, both of whom have some of the best leg development out there.
AlphaStyles
03-08-2009, 04:54 PM
I'm really glad some of these fanboys aren't judges. Completely blinded by the name of bodybuilders. Kai deserved that win hands down and im a huge fan of victor. I will benture to say in every shot BUT the lat spread kai displayed more detail in his back than any bodybuilder ever. I do actually see him placing ahead of phil but only time will tell.
msuman
03-08-2009, 06:04 PM
First he gets screwed in the Olympia to Cutler and now he's clearly better than Kai and gets screwed again.
You have got to be kidding! "Clearly" your monitor is busted. Kai and Branch both bested Vic...and not by a slim margin. They clearly beat him in every single pose. You should be very pleased that your man, Vic, got a gift with his 2nd place trophy. He did not screwed this time around.
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm really glad some of these fanboys aren't judges. Completely blinded by the name of bodybuilders. Kai deserved that win hands down and im a huge fan of victor. I will benture to say in every shot BUT the lat spread kai displayed more detail in his back than any bodybuilder ever. I do actually see him placing ahead of phil but only time will tell.
Back double biceps displayed more separation than Ronnie Coleman? And the most muscular too(i'll give you quads but not the other muscles in the pose).
Anyways, I was suspecting they might give it to Vic based off of name but I'm glad they didn't. As for placing ahead of phil, I dunno about that. Phil improves quite a bit every time he takes a good amount of time to put on some muscle.
LevroneFan2002
03-08-2009, 07:35 PM
If Vic had no legs here, then that means he had no legs at the 07 Olympia.
His legs look similar, but ibeing next to Kai/Branch hurts him there, also I'm not sure but his upper body may be a bit bigger now (you tell me).
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 07:37 PM
His legs look similar, but ibeing next to Kai/Branch hurts him there, also I'm not sure but his upper body may be a bit bigger now (you tell me).
yeah standing next to those guys did hurt his appearance. And to be honest, yeah I did feel like his upper body seemed a bit bigger now but might be just cus we haven't seen him in a while. He seemed even wider and thicker.
LevroneFan2002
03-08-2009, 07:45 PM
yeah standing next to those guys did hurt his appearance. And to be honest, yeah I did feel like his upper body seemed a bit bigger now but might be just cus we haven't seen him in a while. He seemed even wider and thicker.
Yes his guns seem bigger for sure (compare the side shots; 07 vs 08). Back is probs a bit bigger too. I'd love to see the final scores for the top 3.
NaturalLoco
03-08-2009, 07:52 PM
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/zanny_album/kaiback.jpg
pure domination
Kai's back looks great.. his lower lats blow everyone away.. such a unique back in that line up.. if he can bring up his traps some more damn he will look crazy
ANARKY
03-08-2009, 07:58 PM
In that FDB shot comparision of VIC 07 and VIC 09 is he flexing his abs in the 07 pic b/c it looks like 2 different stomachs.
Clean
03-08-2009, 08:09 PM
looks great to me. not saying he wins this pose, but it is far from weak, maybe in relation to some of his others, but still one of the top fdb's imo.
http://i39.tinypic.com/10ql508.jpg
Victor owns all of them there in this pose. I think it is Kai's worst pose because his gut sticks out way too much and it looks like he has no taper at all, especially with the gut hanging out. The only good thing about Kai in this pose is his quads IMO.
I would have Branch second here. His arms aren't very detailed here, but he has a good taper, abs, legs, and a much better flow than Kai.
Victor owns all of them there in this pose. I think it is Kai's worst pose because his gut sticks out way too much and it looks like he has no taper at all, especially with the gut hanging out. The only good thing about Kai in this pose is his quads IMO.
I would have Branch second here. His arms aren't very detailed here, but he has a good taper, abs, legs, and a much better flow than Kai.
I agree that the FDB is his biggest weak point. Needs to work on tweaking something in that pose to change the look of it.
wilwn
03-08-2009, 09:25 PM
Victor owns all of them there in this pose. I think it is Kai's worst pose because his gut sticks out way too much and it looks like he has no taper at all, especially with the gut hanging out. The only good thing about Kai in this pose is his quads IMO.
I would have Branch second here. His arms aren't very detailed here, but he has a good taper, abs, legs, and a much better flow than Kai.
agreed
Clean
03-08-2009, 09:30 PM
Actually, after watching the video, I would have probably had Victor first and then Branch or Kai. Victor looks a ton better in the actual video than the pics. His legs still don't compare to Kai or Branch's, but they are good enough to win IMO.
RSWW-YtL0bQ
King Jug
03-08-2009, 09:33 PM
branch got screwed if anything, i could have seen it
kai
branch
vic
That's exactly how I would have called it.
wilwn
03-08-2009, 09:34 PM
Actually, after watching the video, I would have probably had Victor first and then Branch or Kai. Victor looks a ton better in the actual video than the pics. His legs still don't compare to Kai or Branch's, but they are good enough to win IMO.
even if you ignore the legs, he did not have kai or branch's conditioning
i do prefer victor's overall look though
stealth_swimmer
03-08-2009, 09:39 PM
In that FDB shot comparision of VIC 07 and VIC 09 is he flexing his abs in the 07 pic b/c it looks like 2 different stomachs.
yeah he's flexing in the 09 pics. I think he had refrained from flexin down too much in the past so he could keep the stomach pulled in, but now he can flex and still keep it in, so that's good. Also, Vic doesn't crunch down much in the ab/thigh pose for that reason if you've noticed.
Actually, after watching the video, I would have probably had Victor first and then Branch or Kai. Victor looks a ton better in the actual video than the pics. His legs still don't compare to Kai or Branch's, but they are good enough to win IMO.
RSWW-YtL0bQ
yeah, you gotta see pics AND vid cus pics sometimes ain't good enough unless it's straight-ahead view of comparisons. I still think Kai earned it though but it was probably close among all the top 3 guys.
Whey Hey
03-09-2009, 01:49 AM
Actually, after watching the video, I would have probably had Victor first and then Branch or Kai. Victor looks a ton better in the actual video than the pics. His legs still don't compare to Kai or Branch's, but they are good enough to win IMO.
RSWW-YtL0bQ
I was very impressed by Branch Warren in that video, he smoked everyone in the ab+thigh pose, and he showed us he can hang with the big boys in most poses, i particularly liked his rear lat spread, very wide indeed. Obviously FDB is a big crappy, he needs to bring in some separation there... if he can, he will have some decent shows coming up..
Does anyone actually like Victor's legs?
His shape and everything just looks effing weird. Not say its synthol or anything but just dam weird. Definitely not an Olympia's legs lol
Guest6666
03-09-2009, 06:08 AM
Well Vic was standing in between the two greatest sets of legs in bodybuilding today so that obviously hurt him a lot.
workinghard
03-09-2009, 06:16 AM
Kai deserved the win.
Vic has a very pleasing physique, but he just wasn't hard enough and he needs more time to bring his legs back up to pre-injury status.
Kai was the better man tonight.
I agree i felt victor looked a little soft, it was noticable in his midsection the most.
IMO it should have been
kai
branch
vic
Darren in Gym
03-09-2009, 06:45 AM
Well Vic was standing in between the two greatest sets of legs in bodybuilding today so that obviously hurt him a lot.
so what we have concluded from this thread is that Vic had crap legs ever before the injury. His upper body is however probally the best in the world right now all up. But it detracts hugely when everyone else in the top 6 has better legs then him (expecially quads). Plus he was off in conditioning and Kai was like 99% and Branch was 101%.
Kai won hands down, and Vic was lucky with 2nd (third IMO) and damn silvio was shredded!!! and moe was hanging with those guys, it was the best show ive seen in a long time, all of the top 6 were superb
zrage
03-09-2009, 07:03 AM
kais only problem is that when he pulls off the front double bicep he looks like a t-rex cuz hes chest basicly disapears and almost touches his chin, and his obliquez and abs section just sprouts out and witht he whole combination of big ass torso, chest way to high it makes his body look weird and gives him an impression of having t-rex arms..
also i think victor can pack way more muscle.. he looks to aesthethic and not compact like some of the other guys, and in this day and age aesthethic aint ever won sht.
Inklined
03-09-2009, 07:26 AM
kai clearly won the show... im a big victor fan and idealized and wanted to mold my phsique after his.... i actually thought victor could have been as low as 3rd.... but with bodybuildng politics they wouldn't do it...
they are trying to hype the olympia to be PHIL,JAY,DEXTER,KAI,and VIC9no particular order)... but thats the battle everyone wants to see... Branch should have beat victor but it couldn't happen atleast not this time around.. vic still his momentum left.... hopefully he can improve big time for the olympia
i was at the arnold and got to see it live..
Zeneth
03-09-2009, 07:30 AM
Actually, after watching the video, I would have probably had Victor first and then Branch or Kai. Victor looks a ton better in the actual video than the pics. His legs still don't compare to Kai or Branch's, but they are good enough to win IMO.
RSWW-YtL0bQ
Goddamn, Vic owns Kai so hard in video.
DomzyCuttin
03-09-2009, 09:26 AM
No one can argue for vic and look like they know **** about bodybuilding.
Vic only wins on chest, THATS it! Ok maybe on lat width, but shape and thickness, no way. So back I still give to Kai. Conditioning, legs, arms, posing.. All go to Kai. Hes going to be a freak, if anyone can match or surpass RC its him! I wanna see him become disgustlingly massive with the same condition. No body even comes close to his legs, especially on the side, probably the freakiest ham/glute tie ins ever.
LevroneFan2002
03-09-2009, 10:07 AM
Victor was leading after pre-judging.
Duckenheimer
03-09-2009, 01:47 PM
No one can argue for vic and look like they know **** about bodybuilding.
Vic only wins on chest, THATS it! Ok maybe on lat width, but shape and thickness, no way. So back I still give to Kai. Conditioning, legs, arms, posing.. All go to Kai. Hes going to be a freak, if anyone can match or surpass RC its him! I wanna see him become disgustlingly massive with the same condition. No body even comes close to his legs, especially on the side, probably the freakiest ham/glute tie ins ever.
Vic wins on chest, lat width, trapezius (top to bottom), abdomen quality, deltoids and aesthetics.
I agree with the rest of your post.
Clean
03-09-2009, 08:19 PM
No one can argue for vic and look like they know **** about bodybuilding.
Vic only wins on chest, THATS it! Ok maybe on lat width, but shape and thickness, no way. So back I still give to Kai. Conditioning, legs, arms, posing.. All go to Kai. Hes going to be a freak, if anyone can match or surpass RC its him! I wanna see him become disgustlingly massive with the same condition. No body even comes close to his legs, especially on the side, probably the freakiest ham/glute tie ins ever.
That video I posted above says differently. Victor dominates from the front upper body everywhere. Kai and Branch dominate the legs forward and back. When it comes to back, Victor has by far the better taper with pretty similar conditioning, although Kai does have a slight edge. Kai's has a non-existent taper on his back, so it makes his back look stupid and like a big block.
I lol at all the people who hated on Jay because they always said he was "block" or "the fridge", but Kai is 10x worse. Jay at least has his lat width to make up for his relatively wide waist, but Kai doesn't have that, especially from the back cus of his low lats. And with that gut, it makes him look even worse.
Npeart
03-10-2009, 12:55 AM
Kai was the clear winner, but he has to do something about that gut.
DK777
03-10-2009, 02:21 AM
I don't understand how you all can have someone winning that was missing A SECTION OF HIS BODY?? Vic might have looked good from up top, but his legs were no good. Kai might have a large waist, but he doesn't lack anything and he brings the best conditioning. Vic has the width, but Kai made Vics lats look shallow b/c his are so thick.
it seems most of you judge based on how you yourselves would like to look.
DK777
03-10-2009, 02:23 AM
Kai was the clear winner, but he has to do something about that gut.
he has been, it was alot better than last years Arnold.
Actually, after watching the video, I would have probably had Victor first and then Branch or Kai. Victor looks a ton better in the actual video than the pics. His legs still don't compare to Kai or Branch's, but they are good enough to win IMO.
RSWW-YtL0bQ
Quads just looks bad, no way he should've won. Even should've been third instead of Branch
powerman2000
03-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Kai deserved the win.
Vic has a very pleasing physique, but he just wasn't hard enough and he needs more time to bring his legs back up to pre-injury status.
Kai was the better man tonight.
I'll agree with that, but Vic does have better genetics still. Who knows, maybe Vic relies on that too much when it comes to his training and contest prep.
LevroneFan2002
03-10-2009, 08:20 AM
I'll agree with that, but Vic does have better genetics still. Who knows, maybe Vic relies on that too much when it comes to his training and contest prep.
There was a recent leg training vid of Vic floating around, I wasn't impressed at all.
Clean
03-10-2009, 08:33 AM
There was a recent leg training vid of Vic floating around, I wasn't impressed at all.
The man still has leg problems. Give him a break. He isn't going to go balls to walls just yet.
AniMaLizTik
03-10-2009, 08:38 AM
it's like ...
http://renomart.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/samsung-refrigerator-srs585jdhss.jpg
-VS-
http://www.countryliving.com/cm/countryliving/images/Fisher-Paykel-refrigerator-MKOVR0905-de.jpg
if anybody should have won, it was TONY. he's the only one on stage with an ADMIRABLE, well BLANCED physique
sure, his arms and chest aren't gargantuan, but he also doesnt look 8 months pregnant
LevroneFan2002
03-10-2009, 08:39 AM
The man still has leg problems. Give him a break. He isn't going to go balls to walls just yet.
I wanted to see 7 plates a side front squatting for reps, 1 week before the show. :(
Guaresnay
03-10-2009, 09:58 AM
Goddamn, Vic owns Kai so hard in video.
you must be blind man..