keto milk

[sam31503]

i started on keto one week ago and on my most recent grocery trip found some milk that would work well on keto. its called "8th continent" light it has 2g carbs per 8 oz serving. Thought I would share the find since i love milk with my protein shakes and I'm sure others do too.

[Recksaw]

A little bit of heavy cream and water works too.

[sam31503]

never thought about that....how does that taste?

[jecristragedy]

use the same brand. its good. i only put it in my pwo shakes too, makes them sooooooooooooo much more enjoyable just cause of the difference in consistency from water.

[Rhetorician]

For the Men in this thread-how you liking those phytoestrogens?

[jecristragedy]

soy has been shown to lower the risk of prostate cancer.... for the men in this thread. and its definitely good for your heart.


but one glass of soy milk isn't even worth mentioning...

[Rhetorician]

soy has been shown to lower the risk of prostate cancer.... for the men in this thread. and its definitely good for your heart.


but one glass of soy milk isn't even worth mentioning...

Study please......

[jecristragedy]

One group was asked to eat specially prepared bread made with soy grits (which contain 50 grams of natural phytoestrogens). A second group also consumed high phytoestrogen bread but it was made with 50 grams of soy grits plus 20 grams of linseed. The third group consumed wheat bread, which is naturally low in phytoestrogens. All three groups were instructed to consume four pieces of bread daily until surgery. The group consuming the soy-only enriched bread had a statistically significant drop in PSA levels (-12.7%) compared with the wheat bread control group whose PSA levels rose 40 percent. The PSA levels of the group consuming the soy-plus-linseed bread increased 21.3 percent, indicating that the addition of linseed may not only have no beneficial effect on PSA levels, but may actually increase prostate cancer progression. Although the study was small, it suggests that isoflavones in soy may be protective against prostate cancer.

China and Japan have some of the lowest rates of prostate cancer in the world, possibly due to the typically soy-rich diets in these countries. Isoflavones and phytoestrogens found in soybeans as well as the phytoestrogens and omega-3 fatty acids found in linseed oil have all been shown to have protective roles in prostate cancer development and progression.

Dalais FS, Meliala A, Wattanapenpaiboon N, Frydenberg M, Suter DA, Thomson WK, Wahlqvist ML. Effects of a diet rich in phytoestrogens on prostate-specific antigen and sex hormones in men diagnosed with prostate cancer. Urology. 2004 Sep;64(3):510-5.


theres one, if thats 'not enough' google it.
im not going to do a bunch of research for you.

[Doobie2270]

lol, I love you guys! Why so serious?

[jecristragedy]

i hope no one here takes me as like SERIOUS...

i try to keep the lols and smiley faces up in my posts to make sure im never taken seriously lol :p

nah really, im serious when i need to be but this is just tuesday morning boredom!

[Rhetorician]

One group was asked to eat specially prepared bread made with soy grits (which contain 50 grams of natural phytoestrogens). A second group also consumed high phytoestrogen bread but it was made with 50 grams of soy grits plus 20 grams of linseed. The third group consumed wheat bread, which is naturally low in phytoestrogens. All three groups were instructed to consume four pieces of bread daily until surgery. The group consuming the soy-only enriched bread had a statistically significant drop in PSA levels (-12.7%) compared with the wheat bread control group whose PSA levels rose 40 percent. The PSA levels of the group consuming the soy-plus-linseed bread increased 21.3 percent, indicating that the addition of linseed may not only have no beneficial effect on PSA levels, but may actually increase prostate cancer progression. Although the study was small, it suggests that isoflavones in soy may be protective against prostate cancer.

China and Japan have some of the lowest rates of prostate cancer in the world, possibly due to the typically soy-rich diets in these countries. Isoflavones and phytoestrogens found in soybeans as well as the phytoestrogens and omega-3 fatty acids found in linseed oil have all been shown to have protective roles in prostate cancer development and progression.

Dalais FS, Meliala A, Wattanapenpaiboon N, Frydenberg M, Suter DA, Thomson WK, Wahlqvist ML. Effects of a diet rich in phytoestrogens on prostate-specific antigen and sex hormones in men diagnosed with prostate cancer. Urology. 2004 Sep;64(3):510-5.


theres one, if thats 'not enough' google it.
im not going to do a bunch of research for you.

So the wheat bread was the control group......yeah great study lol

[Doobie2270]

Nah, its the way that people are always like, "blah blah blah," then someone's like "SHOW ME A STUDY" then they show them the study, and then they're like, "yea? well, **** your study!"

It kills me the way that people on the internet are always self-proclaimed intellectuals, willing to nit-pick for hours at the most inconsequential details. Like, jeez, shut the hell up and go lift already.

(No offense to anybody in particular: I just see this general trend everywhere I go. Even the 12 year olds on the video game forums are doing **** like this)

[Rhetorician]

Nah, its the way that people are always like, "blah blah blah," then someone's like "SHOW ME A STUDY" then they show them the study, and then they're like, "yea? well, **** your study!"

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/Doobie2270/****urtheory.jpg

As a scientist you should know that not all studies are created equal. Did you have oh, say a better idea as to how people should go about asking others for empirical data?

Oh, and im not a self proclaimed intellectual. I have the certificate on my wall duh. :)

[Doobie2270]

As a scientist you should know that not all studies are created equal. Did you have oh, say a better idea as to how people should go about asking others for empirical data?

Oh, and im not a self proclaimed intellectual. I have the certificate on my wall duh. :)

I know that. And I didn't mean it as an affront to you. Its just so funny to me how people pledge allegiance to dogmas that have little significance on the overall picture. You said you started out with minimal supplementation and a good workout regimen, so you obviously know that getting the basics right is the cornerstone to a great physique. But so many people pick fights over slight variances in nutrient timing and macronutrient ratios, and it bears so little significance to the end result!

Like I said, I also spend time on video game forums, where you can see the same thing in action, sans the pub-med copy & paste jobs.

[Rhetorician]

I know that. And I didn't mean it as an affront to you. Its just so funny to me how people pledge allegiance to dogmas that have little significance on the overall picture. You said you started out with minimal supplementation and a good workout regimen, so you obviously know that getting the basics right is the cornerstone to a great physique. But so many people pick fights over slight variances in nutrient timing and macronutrient ratios, and it bears so little significance to the end result!

You must not spend much time in the supplement science section :)

I hear ya tho....and due to the context of your post I of course took it personally who wouldn't? :P

[Doobie2270]

You must not spend much time in the supplement science section :)

I hear ya tho....and due to the context of your post I of course took it personally who wouldn't? :P

I didn't have your foresight: I started off in the supplement section, got no results, and moved on to what you already knew. Now I get results, but I take no supplements.

Ah, well, so I'm guessing you want to take this outside? I'll go get my mouth guard...and my inhaler.

[Rhetorician]

I didn't have your foresight: I started off in the supplement section, got no results, and moved on to what you already knew. Now I get results, but I take no supplements.

Ah, well, so I'm guessing you want to take this outside? I'll go get my mouth guard...and my inhaler.

DUH I mean after all..

http://www.slaphappysusan.com/files/internet_serious_business_framed.jpg

[jecristragedy]

Nah, its the way that people are always like, "blah blah blah," then someone's like "SHOW ME A STUDY" then they show them the study, and then they're like, "yea? well, **** your study!"



lol that happens every time!! no one ever says "oh yeah. ok.. " or tries to find the other studies that corroborate. i wouldnt just make up a claim like that if i hadnt seen and heard it several times and places :confused:

[jecristragedy]

So the wheat bread was the control group......yeah great study lol

yeh theyre all eating bread. with and without phytoestrogens.
thats how you conduct a test.. change one variable. if they had them eating something totally different, how would THAT be a good study???

and thats just the first one i found like i said i wasnt going to spend any time on it.

[Blindead]

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/113/7/1034#SEC5

"The efficacy and safety of soy isoflavones for preventing or treating cancer of the breast, endometrium, and prostate are not established; evidence from clinical trials is meager and cautionary with regard to a possible adverse effect. For this reason, use of isoflavone supplements in food or pills is not recommended."

At 50g of phytoestrogens a day (50g of phytoestrogens or 50g of soy grits? that sounds extremely high) the prostate cancer change was likely due to a decrease in testosterone.

Gann, PH; Hennekens CH, Ma J, Longcope C, Stampfer MJ (21 August 1996). "Prospective study of sex hormone levels and risk of prostate cancer". J Natl Cancer Inst 88 (16)

said that higher levels of tesosterone increase risk of prostate cancer.

Prostate cancer can be controlled by the removal of the testes which thus lowers testosterone production. androgen blockers that lower testosterone have the same positive effect (slowing the spread) on prostate cancer. Phytoestrogens have been shown to help in the prevention of prostate cancer before (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1208260) but the actual efficacy hasn't been solidly proven and then MoA may be from lower testosterone levels, something phytoestrogens are known for causing in high doses. please don't link that one really really ****ty study and use it to say like phytoestrogens don't have a hormonal effect.

really a lot of this stuff is still in dire need of more research because until more research is done and more developments are found, a lot of this is just conjecture.

[Rhetorician]

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/113/7/1034#SEC5

"The efficacy and safety of soy isoflavones for preventing or treating cancer of the breast, endometrium, and prostate are not established; evidence from clinical trials is meager and cautionary with regard to a possible adverse effect. For this reason, use of isoflavone supplements in food or pills is not recommended."

At 50g of phytoestrogens a day (50g of phytoestrogens or 50g of soy grits? that sounds extremely high) the prostate cancer change was likely due to a decrease in testosterone.

Gann, PH; Hennekens CH, Ma J, Longcope C, Stampfer MJ (21 August 1996). "Prospective study of sex hormone levels and risk of prostate cancer". J Natl Cancer Inst 88 (16)

said that higher levels of tesosterone increase risk of prostate cancer.

Prostate cancer can be controlled by the removal of the testes which thus lowers testosterone production. androgen blockers that lower testosterone have the same positive effect (slowing the spread) on prostate cancer. Phytoestrogens have been shown to help in the prevention of prostate cancer before (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1208260) but the actual efficacy hasn't been solidly proven and then MoA may be from lower testosterone levels, something phytoestrogens are known for causing in high doses. please don't link that one really really ****ty study and use it to say like phytoestrogens don't have a hormonal effect.

really a lot of this stuff is still in dire need of more research because until more research is done and more developments are found, a lot of this is just conjecture.

Good stuff right thur. I wonder how many men with Prostate Cancer bodybuild.

[jecristragedy]

EITHER WAY

everyone missed the whole point of my post. lol, i said it HAS BEEN SHOWN, and it has, doesnt mean its proven. that was just a total side note.

the most important point that was totally skipped over, was that one measly glass of soymilk ISNT enough to effect anything :confused:

dont skip over half the post and just read and argue about what you want to.

[thesilent1]

So you two love birds still at it?!?!?! LOL

[jecristragedy]

WUT.

i have standards, dude.

[Rhetorician]

So you two love birds still at it?!?!?! LOL

I'm not into trannys sorry.

[jecristragedy]

LMAO.

yes, i used to be a man. my plastic surgeon.. wow he does some AMAZING work. even gave me, like, *serious* baby-bearing hips!

thats talent.

[Doobie2270]

LMAO.

yes, i used to be a man. my plastic surgeon.. wow he does some AMAZING work. even gave me, like, *serious* baby-bearing hips!

thats talent.

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[sam31503]

just to think all this hostility caused from a question about milk.

Milk...good for the body, but bad for conversation

[jecristragedy]

Lol

[Mercersburgguy]

Hey tell me more about the Heavy Cream and water... I have been craving milk I am a farm boy!!!! Has anyone actually done this? I use to drink Soy Milk, but I would get sick off of it... Now lets all join hands and sing!!!!

[LiquidSnakeRNA]

LMAO.

yes, i used to be a man. my plastic surgeon.. wow he does some AMAZING work. even gave me, like, *serious* baby-bearing hips!

thats talent.

I'd say the plastic surgeon did a good job ;)

[Emma-Leigh]

I'm not into trannys sorry.
:) Thank you for your insightful and significant contribution to the conversation. In light of your responses - I can only assume your time is way too precious to stay. As such, I have made it so you no longer feel any pressure to respond to the thread. :)

Signed,
Mod Wench :)

[Mercersburgguy]

Heavy Cream and water was gross I would rather drink Dobbies Sweaty socks LOL...

[watertoy]

The taste of cream and water was okay for me. It mixed easily. Im not 100% keto. I will use it on oats.

[LeonardSix]

Thanks for the suggestion OP. This gave me the idea to head over to Safeway.com (I like them since they deliver to my house for $6.95 and I absolutely hate going shopping) and see what else they had.


http://i40.tinypic.com/211p3k3.jpg 2g/8 fl oz
http://i39.tinypic.com/2lbysxz.jpg 2g/8 fl oz
http://i43.tinypic.com/kuelg.jpg 3g/8 fl oz

Think I might give these and 8th Continent a try. Anything keto that I can spice up my diet with is great.

[ItalWHOP]

I like almond breeze.

Heavy cream + water is easy. Add the heavy cream to glass. Add water until desired consistency. But then again, I can drink the cream straight.... so, heh

[Limeliteshines]

IMO the Blue Diamond Almond Breeze is the best one out there (taste and consistency). It still doesn't taste like milk, but you'll get used to it . . . and it's great in coffee! :)