This is (chemical) Warfare [echoareone]

[echoareone]

The teen section is awash with questions about synthetic hormones and their ilk. What are they, what do they do, will I lose pen0r if I take hdrol? So on and so forth.

That's why I'm starting up this journal. I love the concept of chemical enhancement...and I love the application of that concept, too :D

Before anyone starts shaking fingers, yes, I am of age, and I've been training my ass of for about 4 years.

I'll try to cover as many varieties as I can, and they'll all be documented here.

You'll all get to see just how well (or poorly) PH and DS work. No tricks or gimmicks.

You'll know everything that's going on. These aren't sponsored cycles, and I'm no genetic freak so what you see is what you get.


I've done:
Bold @ 400mg/day for 8 weeks
Havoc @ 30mg/day for 4 weeks

Currently on week 2 of:
Bold@ 800mg/day and furaguno@ 130mg/day.

I'm working a P/RR/S program, meaning I change reps and stuff a LOT.

First workout will be up tomorrow (assuming I work out).

Let's keep this PG rated, and PM questions regarding specific compounds to me

[HudsonHicks]

1st

Subbed.

[Caseyface]

I'm excited. I have no information about PH's / juicy juice at all.
I have no idea what bold, havoc, and furaguno are, explain please?

[Jaxxed_Fibraz_]

Nice one, i just got off 7 weeks h-drol, was gonna do 8 but i got prescribed antibiotics so i stopped :(

[echoareone]

I'm excited. I have no information about PH's / juicy juice at all.
I have no idea what bold, havoc, and furaguno are, explain please?

Bold is an oral-tized form of Equipoise. Furaguno is an oral-tized form of winni, and I dunno what havoc is...it's a designer steroid (so not based off other things).

Bold/fura are non-methyl, dry+slow gains. Havoc is methyl and pretty dry.

Bold and fura activate different receptors (bold goes for androgen receptors, fura for "other pathways"). This is something good to look for when planning a cycle. You want compounds that will utilize both receptors (or at least, don't go with 2 activating the same kind.)

[thehybridpyro]

good luck bro

[dn27]

Nice one, i just got off 7 weeks h-drol, was gonna do 8 but i got prescribed antibiotics so i stopped :(

Age 16.... WOOOOOOOOOOW...

[jimmy5056]

Bold is an oral-tized form of Equipoise. Furaguno is an oral-tized form of winni, and I dunno what havoc is...it's a designer steroid (so not based off other things).

Bold/fura are non-methyl, dry+slow gains. Havoc is methyl and pretty dry.

Bold and fura activate different receptors (bold goes for androgen receptors, fura for "other pathways"). This is something good to look for when planning a cycle. You want compounds that will utilize both receptors (or at least, don't go with 2 activating the same kind.)

Any steroid is going to go to androgen receptors, I don't understand how you think there are some sort of different receptors some steroids go to. Have you ever gotten bloodwork done? Running multiple cycles of this stuff at 16 is asking for trouble. PCT?

I really doubt you know what you are talking about - Winstrol is already 17aa so it is already orally active.

[BandApart]

Any steroid is going to go to androgen receptors, I don't understand how you think there are some sort of different receptors some steroids go to. Have you ever gotten bloodwork done? Running multiple cycles of this stuff at 16 is asking for trouble. PCT?

are you saying that all compounds are the same? lolz

and the OP isnt 16


and havoc=epitiostanol

[jimmy5056]

are you saying that all compounds are the same? lolz

and the OP isnt 16


and havoc=epitiostanol

Not saying they are the same at all, but I am saying that one compound isn't going to some different type of androgen receptor.

Alright, I see they person who posted 16 was referring to someone else.

[imFASTERthenU]

Nice one, i just got off 7 weeks h-drol, was gonna do 8 but i got prescribed antibiotics so i stopped :(

your not supposed to run a methyl that long, h-drol i thought was supposed to be run 6 weeks tops.

[rdrb]

OP, stats and age please.

[whitesox3223]

Nice one, i just got off 7 weeks h-drol, was gonna do 8 but i got prescribed antibiotics so i stopped :(
lol i cant believe you were actuallly talking **** about my physique when you have used several prohormones (saw posts yesterday and now today about using h-drol) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Jaxxed_Fibraz_]

Age 16.... WOOOOOOOOOOW...
Oh noes, your one of these people who think if you take phs before 21 you die

lol i cant believe you were actuallly talking **** about my physique when you have used several prohormones (saw posts yesterday and now today about using h-drol) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

lol your 18, you look like fail, i would love to beat the **** out of you irl.

[BandApart]

in b4 lock.

[whitesox3223]

Oh noes, your one of these people who think if you take phs before 21 you die


lol your 18, you look like fail, i would love to beat the **** out of you irl.
damn right I'm 18.

i may look like fail to you but you have the brain of a chimp. i would school you big boy.

and its all right that your insecure and put potentially harmful chemicals into your body at a young age and act tough on the internet. there are places for people like you. they are called hospitals.

[echoareone]

Any steroid is going to go to androgen receptors, I don't understand how you think there are some sort of different receptors some steroids go to. Have you ever gotten bloodwork done? Running multiple cycles of this stuff at 16 is asking for trouble. PCT?

I really doubt you know what you are talking about - Winstrol is already 17aa so it is already orally active.

Innnncorrect.


OP, stats and age please.

21 years old. 5'10", 208 lbs.
Dead: 550
Squat: 460
Bench: 255

Visible abs, arms 17.5 cold.

[jimmy5056]

So your saying all the people who take winstrol orally are just wasting it? lol

[echoareone]

So your saying all the people who take winstrol orally are just wasting it? lol

I'm saying that these compounds can act through more than one pathway in the body.


Lets not get off topic...O_o

Glad to answer questions about my lifts/routine/diet etc.

PM other questions to me.

[whitesox3223]

dude you should post your routine

[echoareone]

dude you should post your routine

Sure. The main thing about me is that I train instinctively. I have a bum shoulder that makes it hard for me to follow progressions or stay on a single routine for too long. I've used rippetoes, starr's 5x5 and DC in the past.

Without further ado...

Week One
4 second negative, explosive positive

5x5
3 exercises for chest, back and legs.
2 exercises for biceps, triceps, shoulders



Week Two
Even tempo

3-4x10-12
3 exercises for chest, back and legs.
3 exercises for biceps, triceps, shoulders



Week Three
Even Tempo

2 supersets and 1 dropset per muscle group.



You'll get to see the nitty gritty details as I go on...

[echoareone]

Chest, week one

BB Bench: 5x5x225
DB Incline: 5x5x85
Chest Flye: 3x12x35

My shoulder felt really crappy today, so I had to cut it short. The 225 went up easy as hell, though. I'll have some pics up, eventually, when I'm not overbloated from food like I had yesterday.

[echoareone]

Back, Week two

BB Row: 4x10x225
DB Row: 3x10x115
Pullup: 3x10xBW+35


I hate working out in my shed...oh well. Shoulder is still suspect, so I didn't stress it just to be safe.

Here's a pic from maybe 3 weeks ago, before I started my bulk...guess which one is me.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/antipolarity/n3708417_32170421_8976.jpg

[echoareone]

Armed and dangerous, week two

CGBP: 4x10x185
Skullcrusher: 3x10x85
Extension/bench dip: 3x[12x20 / 12x90]
DB curl: 4x12x45
Reverse Curl/Hammer curl: 3x[10x80 / 12x20]


Got a good pump going. I can't wait to move up on the CGBP, but my shoulders didn't want anything too heavy today...so we'll save that for another time.

Bulk is going well, I'm about 3 weeks in. No really noticeable fat gain, which is definitely positive. Weighed in at 213 two days ago.

[IrishMuscle99]

In bro. You mind people pm'ing you questions concerning PH'S?

[HudsonHicks]

Good work so far bro, whats with the red hand prints on you guys in the photo?

You doing anything to try and help the bum shoulder, like RC work or anything?

[echoareone]

In bro. You mind people pm'ing you questions concerning PH'S?

Not at all. :D


Good work so far bro, whats with the red hand prints on you guys in the photo?

You doing anything to try and help the bum shoulder, like RC work or anything?

ROFL it was 5-star night.

Yeah, I did 3 months of physical therapy, RC strengthening, etc.
That didn't do the trick.

[Loctus]

OMFG!! IN!!
Owen, I love you. In a very manly, but not homo way.

[Loctus]

Bold is an oral-tized form of Equipoise. Furaguno is an oral-tized form of winni, and I dunno what havoc is...it's a designer steroid (so not based off other things).


Havoc is mostly compared to Masteron. Let's not get more specific then that, I have a feeling that chemistry talk might make mods mad.



Back, Week two

BB Row: 4x10x225
DB Row: 3x10x115
Pullup: 3x10xBW+35


I hate working out in my shed...oh well. Shoulder is still suspect, so I didn't stress it just to be safe.

Here's a pic from maybe 3 weeks ago, before I started my bulk...guess which one is me.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/antipolarity/n3708417_32170421_8976.jpg

LMFAO, I saw that pic on your facebook and was like "lol, pwned those small noobs" :D GJOM.

[echoareone]

OMFG!! IN!!
Owen, I love you. In a very manly, but not homo way.


Good to see you're in on this....oh, and I have two hetero life partners, there's no saying I can't have another :D

[HudsonHicks]

ROFL it was 5-star night.
lmao, awesome.


Yeah, I did 3 months of physical therapy, RC strengthening, etc.
That didn't do the trick.
sorry to hear that bro, hopefully it just sorts itself out over time with some careful training, good luck.

[rdrb]

Yeah, I did 3 months of physical therapy, RC strengthening, etc.
That didn't do the trick.

Ouch. Injuries suck. I'm currently dealing with a knee injury.

[HudsonHicks]

Ouch. Injuries suck. I'm currently dealing with a knee injury.
I had some recurring shoulder trouble, using higher weight and lower reps for all pushing movements along with RC exercises eventually sorted it, although it's still not 100%. Odd that lower reps helped though, perhaps I had bad form on higher rep sets (8-10).

Hope it heals up mate.

[echoareone]

I had some recurring shoulder trouble, using higher weight and lower reps for all pushing movements along with RC exercises eventually sorted it, although it's still not 100%. Odd that lower reps helped though, perhaps I had bad form on higher rep sets (8-10).

Hope it heals up mate.

Yeh. One of the sorta perversely good things about the injury is that it made me focus a LOT more on stretching, good technique...and legs.

[Bydded_Gryf]

I think it's good there's a log of this nature in the teen section, should clear up a lot of stupid questions!
Looking huge mate

[echoareone]

Little update time

? Hunger: increased. I'm crazy hungry, considering how much chow I eat anyway. Owning buffets like they ain't sh*t.

? Water: Not much water retention. First thing to bloat is usually my face, but I'm still looking pretty slim up there.

? Strength: Going up. Not much else to say about this; course, this is strength relative to what I feel comfortable with (i.e. I'm not increasing my absolute strength, just what seems safe/non-dangerous).

? Balls: Still there.

? Libido: Not much of a decrease. One way I know I'm shut down is that it takes me about 30 minutes to bust a nut...and I'm not there yet :D

? Overall health: Pretty good. Typically on bulks, I feel fat, lazy, like a waste of life, etc. Not getting much of that ATM. The only point of interest is that I've been consistently waking up with a headache for the past week or so...NOT necessarily an associated side effect.

[Bydded_Gryf]

I'm gonna PM you if you don't mind...

[echoareone]

Was planning on shoulders today...but due to some xtreme cross country skiing a few days ago, and previous workouts this week, my shoulder felt wretched...so I did some really light shoulder work, and ran some stairs. Crappy.

I'll be back at my school gym soon, very excited.

[echoareone]

Back Week 1

Pulldown: 5x5x225
BB Row: 5x5x235
Seated Row: 5x5x225
Forearms


Finally...got in a real gym instead of my nice ghettoshed. Shoulder didn't bother me too much today, as I was worried it would. So that's a plus. Looking big, feeling big, and honestly not gaining as much fat as I did during my last bulk up.

[echoareone]

Chest Week 1

BB Bench: 5x5x230
Weighted Dip: 4x5x75
DB Flye: 3x8x40

Back at school! I had forgotten how much I love that gym. Mmmm.

Well, I knew the time would come, and now it has...I can see some fat gain. It's been worth it though :D

[echoareone]

Legs, week 2

Toes-together Leg Press: 4x12x690
Leg Extension: 4x10x255
Leg Curl: 4x10x150


Didn't squat today....my hip flexors felt terrible. I don't know why, but it was worrisome. I'm still feeling it in the legs, though. I figured out how to get a contraction out of the quads when doing leg press, felt pretty brutal.

[echoareone]

Arms, Week 1

CGBP: 5x195, 4x5x205
Incline Skullcrusher: 4x5x105
Bench Dip: 3x12x135
DB Curl: 5x5x60
Hammer Curl: 5x5x50


As much as I hate to admit it, I love arm day, it's sexy. Glad I was even able to do anything, as I did a hefty amount of drinking last night. :D

[echoareone]

Shoulders

Push Press: 4x10x165
DB Laterals: 4x12x27.5
DB Bent-laterals: 4x10x27.5
Shrug: 3x12x315
Forearms


Wanted to shrug more...but my grip isn't as good as I remember it >_<
Also, I should get some chalk for that purpose. I was chalked when I pulled 550, felt like nothin on the hands.

Anyway...diet plan has been changed for the past week or so. 3 meals a day, with some carbs + bcaa's twice a day. It's ballin.

[echoareone]

BB Row: 4x10x235
-superset with-
Pullup: 4x10
Pulldown: 4x10x225
-superset with-
One-hand Cable Row: 4x12x90
Seated Row: Dropset


guewa9vdfjoshfasK that was brutal. Forearms and bi's were burning like crazy...and my back felt pumped like nothing else.

Walked outta the gym feeling like the biggest dude in the world.

[Loctus]

Shoulders

Push Press: 4x10x165
DB Laterals: 4x12x27.5
DB Bent-laterals: 4x10x27.5
Shrug: 3x12x315
Forearms


Wanted to shrug more...but my grip isn't as good as I remember it >_<
Also, I should get some chalk for that purpose. I was chalked when I pulled 550, felt like nothin on the hands.

Anyway...diet plan has been changed for the past week or so. 3 meals a day, with some carbs + bcaa's twice a day. It's ballin.

WTF echo? Strong concentration camp

[ShayThor1989]

One of the best logs imo in the teen zone.

[echoareone]

WTF echo? Strong concentration camp

Hey man...body comp is getting better.

It's a lot easier on my wallet, too...as at least one of those meals is buffet style.

Someday I'll get pics up...for the time being, I'm in a terrible state of apathy, boredom and depression. I imagine that I'm a bit shut-down, too, which would contribute to it.

And, f*ck, I'm horny. Totally not fair. Women need to come to me, not the other way around >_<

[neverfinished]

im lookin for some good supplements to help me with my cut im pretty good at packing on muscle but ive decided at this point i need to get this fat off before muscle goes on so if pplz know some good **** for meh send me a message cuz idk when ill be back to read this

[neverfinished]

also some good work outs to help me cut would be greatly appreciated my knowledge of cutting is very lacking as far as supplements and workouts so if you know the answer to my prayers maybe just drop me a quick message plz :P

[Loctus]

Hey Owen:













































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[echoareone]

^^^
This is just terrible...she represents the biggest dilemma for all of us woman-loving men.

She acts dumber than a bucket of nails, but I'd tap that ass with such a fury. FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....

[Dom!]

^^^
This is just terrible...she represents the biggest dilemma for all of us woman-loving men.

She acts dumber than a bucket of nails, but I'd tap that ass with such a fury. FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....
Who are you talking about? lol.

When do you expect you'll notice the big strength differences (if they come)? Like week 4/5?

[echoareone]

Who are you talking about? lol.

When do you expect you'll notice the big strength differences (if they come)? Like week 4/5?

Anton had posted that chick who talks like a retard on youtube...


anyway.

I'm being very careful with my strength. Tore my shoulder a while ago, and I'm really wary of moving too quickly. I could be making much larger jumps than I am, but my tendons and ligaments need to keep up with the muscular growth.

And overall, for reasons unknown to me, neither of the PH I'm on are especially favored for strength.

[echoareone]

Yesterday

BB Bench: 4x10x205
Flye: 4x12x40
Cable Flye: 4x12x100

So-so. Wouldha done incline bench, but my bloody shoulder was acting up. Still got a slammin' pump from this all. Strength is going up nicely, considering how terrible of a bencher I am and always have been.

[echoareone]

Today

BB Lunge: 2x10x185, 2x10x195
Zercher Squat: 10x185, 3x10x205
Leg Curl: 3x10x155
Leg Ext.: 3x10x270


Hahahaha zerchers are kickass. I thought they were a retard exercise...but I kinda love 'em now.

Legs feel trashy.

That is all.

[Loctus]

Hahahaha zerchers are kickass. I thought they were a retard exercise...but I kinda love 'em now.

Legs feel trashy.

That is all.

Owen you 'lil slut!

[Widge]

strong lunges

[echoareone]

Owen you 'lil slut!

What can I say...everyone wants a piece of this ass....I just wish those skanks actually did something about it, though >_< LOL


strong lunges

My 3-RM is somewhere around 245 ;)

[echoareone]

CGBP: 3x10x200, 8x195
DB Extension: 4x10x95
Bench Dip: 3x15x135
DB Curl: 4x10x50
Reverse EZ curl: 3x10x85


As much as it pains me to say it, arm day is a great day. Love dat pump.

On an aesthetic note: I'm beginning to really fill out my shirts (especially sleeves/shoulders), and I'm still staying pretty damn lean.

Other news: I am pretty shut down. Took me 25+ minutes to bust a nut yesterday...that's the best indicator of it, IMO. LOL

After this cycle, I kinda wanna run a real bike, and do it properly. I'll see.

[echoareone]

BB Row: 4x10x245
Pulldown: 2x10x225, 2x8x225
Cable Row: 4x12x110
Lat/rear DB raise: 4x10x30/4x10x30
Forearms



This was a solid workout, even though I'm not at all mentally/emotionally "feeling it" right now. Usually lifting is the fun thing I get to do each day, but it's been feeling more like a chore.

I think once I get my hormone levels back to normal in a few weeks, I might feel better.

[d34dlift]

no more parkour owen? awww

in

[echoareone]

no more parkour owen? awww

in

Well, railings kinda suck when they're covered in ice.

My bro and I are making a longer parkour video for his senior project at school (april-may) so you might see some more then.

[echoareone]

BB Bench: 4x10x195
-superset with-
Flye: 4x12x35

Pushup: 3x25
-superset with-
BB Decline bench: 3x8x195

Cable Cross: Dropset from 100


So, short rest periods and supersets...brutal. Got a sweet-ass pump from it. It looks like I'll be breaking 245 next heavy bench day...I'm pretty excited for that, my max while on cycle last spring was 265, so I'm approaching.

[echoareone]

Zercher Squat: 8x205, 4x8x215
Leg Press: 3x12x780
Leg Extension: 3x12x275


Zerch's are really intense...that is my overall impression of that workout. lol.

My legs are finnicky, and somewhat of a weak point, even though they're something like 26-27 inches. Ah well.


So, overall...I've been pretty disappointed with my cycle. I'm coming up on week 7, and honestly...I'm not impressed at all. I wish I had had the guts to run the pheraplex I have, but apparently, that's bad for people sensitive to estro/gyno.

Ah well. 11-oxo bridge coming up, interested to see how this goes.

[echoareone]

Dip: 4x12x65
-superset with-
Cable Pushdown: 4x15x110

EZ bar CGBP: 3x12x95
-superset with-
Incline Skullcrusher: 2x10x95, 8x95

Overhead Rope Extension: Dropset

DB Curl: 4x10x50
-superset with-
Rope Curl: 4x12x110

Reverse EZ Curl: 3x10x85
Hammer Curl: 3x10x50



Daaaaaaaamn. Got so pumped up with this, it was amazing. Arms were 18+. I wish I could walk around like that constantly.
I don't know yet exactly what's gonna happen after this cycle is done. I kinda wanna do DC again, but that was rough on me, and I'll be off cycle, too. I also kinda wanna cut down, as I have this odd whim to get a job as a male dancer at a gay club (no homo)....that's a good way to get girls, too :D

[Loctus]

I also kinda wanna cut down, as I have this odd whim to get a job as a male dancer at a gay club (no homo)...

Ain't saving **** brah

[echoareone]

Ain't saving **** brah

Seriously though.

I was at that place last weekend, there was a dude with women swarming all over him, putting money in his shorts, shakin' his ass in their faces.
Even though that guy was gay, that was some strong hetero goin' on there.

[echoareone]

DB Press: 4x12x70
DB Lateral: 4x12x30
Front Plate Raise: 3x10x45
-superset with-
Rear DB Raise: 3x10x27.5
Shrug: 4x12x315


Well, the press could have been stronger. But, consider that I haven't done DB press in more than a year, and it's OK...hah. Surprisingly, my shoulders felt fine after this workout...pumped, and starved of oxygen, yes...but none of the bad pain.

[CriticalAcclaim]

sub'd a month late!

[EC_Muscle]

gjdm on back pic, and lol at handprints haha

[ShayThor1989]

Hey bro, you seem knowledgeable. I hit 210x9 today for bench press and I entered that into the 1RM calculator and it says 270. Do you think this is accurate? I hit 260 1 rm about a week and a half ago.

[echoareone]

Hey bro, you seem knowledgeable. I hit 210x9 today for bench press and I entered that into the 1RM calculator and it says 270. Do you think this is accurate? I hit 260 1 rm about a week and a half ago.

If you hit 260 before, I'd go for 270, that should be fine. I'm not much of one for 1RM's, that's just not the way my body is built...but I'd go for it if I were you.

[ShayThor1989]

Next week I'll try and hit it. What would you recommend for a warmup. And for the record, I have fairly poor muscle endurance.

[Dunkelheit23]

Daaaaaaaamn. Got so pumped up with this, it was amazing. Arms were 18+. I wish I could walk around like that constantly.
I don't know yet exactly what's gonna happen after this cycle is done. I kinda wanna do DC again, but that was rough on me, and I'll be off cycle, too. I also kinda wanna cut down, as I have this odd whim to get a job as a male dancer at a gay club (no homo)....that's a good way to get girls, too :D

Lol, ya, the pump is so bittersweet, cuz you know it won't last. BTW, I train DC, I've got a log, and there is a certain protocol for cutting too. I feel it's the most efficient way of strength increases, and therefore size increases, so I'd say go for it.

[echoareone]

Next week I'll try and hit it. What would you recommend for a warmup. And for the record, I have fairly poor muscle endurance.

Start repping the bar for a bit.
10x135
5x185
3x225
1x250
1x270

That's how I'd work it.



Lol, ya, the pump is so bittersweet, cuz you know it won't last. BTW, I train DC, I've got a log, and there is a certain protocol for cutting too. I feel it's the most efficient way of strength increases, and therefore size increases, so I'd say go for it.

I did DC during my short stint on Test (don't ask, lol). My strength was crazy. The only issue was my joints...they didn't hold up so well. It was probably cause of the heavy reverse-close-grip-benching I did... >_<
I don't know if I'm gonna wait until I'm on cycle again for DC, or whether it'd be smarter to do it at a different time, so my muscles won't be growing so much faster than my ligaments.

[Dunkelheit23]

I fukcin love reverse grip, lol, is killer on your wrists though.

[echoareone]

New pics brah's

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A few more next post...

[echoareone]

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[Dunkelheit23]

Damn great back, tri's seem to be lackin a little

[echoareone]

Damn great back, tri's seem to be lackin a little

Yeh, working on those. Who would guess, these triceps have done dips with +135....that's my biggest problem...most of my body doesn't really reflect my strength. Biceps are a good example...65-70 lb dumbell curls would be no sweat for me.

Maybe I just haven't found what works best yet.

[echoareone]

Pulldown: 5x5x245
BB Bench: 4x5x240 3x250
Clean & Jerk: 3x3x165
Jump Squat: 3x5x80


Ohhh my, I'm so schizo about my workouts. I'm changing the schedule/diet up a little bit. I'm not liking the progress on the bulk, so I'm gonna reign it in a bit.
Besides...gotta be in tip-top shape to please the ladies.

[Iron_And_sweat]

I guess I will check this out. Curious as to why you are logging designers in the teen section though? They don't need to worry about these compounds. It makes it all that more tempting for kids of underage to use them.

[echoareone]

I guess I will check this out. Curious as to why you are logging designers in the teen section though? They don't need to worry about these compounds. It makes it all that more tempting for kids of underage to use them.

All I'm trying to encourage is the asking of questions and gathering of knowledge. I'm logging here to deal with whatever conceptions people have about these compounds.


By the way, in compound related news, I started my taper off with 11-oxo today, 500mg/day. We'll see about these "leaning out" effects :D

[ONpump17]

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[Iron_And_sweat]

you were talking about how you are strong, but your size does not reflect this. This is probably due to your training style. Look into it. rep range, organization of exercises, sets, etc

[Dunkelheit23]

Yeh, working on those. Who would guess, these triceps have done dips with +135....that's my biggest problem...most of my body doesn't really reflect my strength. Biceps are a good example...65-70 lb dumbell curls would be no sweat for me.

Maybe I just haven't found what works best yet.

Ya, I hear ya, I can do reps with two plates on close grip, and tri's are my worst part too

[echoareone]

Circuit
Zercher Squat: 10x205
Pullup: 15
Pushup: 20
Dip: 12
Leg Raise: 15
-repeat 3x-
Deadlift: 3x5x365
Bent-over flye: 3x12x27.5

Pushups/pullups done with getting as much air as possible. Makes for a bit more fun. Also, I think I'm suffering from PTSD after this workout...seriously...

[Loctus]

Lookin good brah! Keep smashin!

[HudsonHicks]

Looking good bro, a lot of people been doing Zercher squats lately, did I miss something?

[Loctus]

Looking good bro, a lot of people been doing Zercher squats lately, did I miss something?

Nope, they still suck.

[echoareone]

Looking good bro, a lot of people been doing Zercher squats lately, did I miss something?

Maybe people are just growing some balls?
^_^


Nope, they still suck.

Hahah yes they do.
But they are by far, in my opinion, the best thing for quads. At least that's how they work for me.

[echoareone]

BB Row: 4x5x255
BB Bench: 4x5x240
Seated DB Curl: 3x8x45
-superset with-
Incline Skullcrusher: 3x8x95
-superset with-
Shoulder Raise: 3x12x30
Bench Dip: 3x12x135
Hammer Curl: 2x10x40


I'm feeling hella strong on the bench/row. Couldha gone heavier, but my back is outrageously sore from my workout a few days ago.

Seeing changes in body comp, I swear, all I have to do is *think* lean, and I start to get lean.

[echoareone]

Circuit x3:
Zercher Squat: 12x210
Pullup: 12
Pushup: 20
Dip: 15
Leg Raise: 12

Clean and Jerk: 3x3x155
1-H Pushdown: 3x12x80


Sigh...so out of breath after this. Pretty brutal. I tried to get as much airtime as possible on the pullups and pushups.

Had a bad binge day today, d'oh. Big dinner, cause I knew I was going out to a bar. Turns out, they had free pizza at the bar >_<
So I'm overfull, and drunk also.

[echoareone]

Pulldown: 5x5x245
BB Bench[/g]: 4x5x245 4x245
[b]DB SHoulder Press: 3x8x75
-superset with-
Shoulder Lateral Raise: 3x10x30
DB Row: 2x10x100
-superset with-
Flye: 2x10x40
Rope Pushdown: 2x12x90


Definitely getting stronger in bench and row-type stuff. It's always pleasing to feel the progress, 245 is going up pretty damn easy

Did HIIT sprints on saturday, my legs and tibialis anterior still hurt, lol.
Made me feel really good though.

[echoareone]

Deadlift: 5x3x405
Hang Clean: 3x5x165
Hex Bar Farmer Walk: 3xtwice across gymx315
Plate lift+press: 3x3x100
Tricep Pushdown: 3x12x140


I'm hoping that this signals a maintainable shift in my style. I'm gonna work on leaning out, but getting stronger, too. I think that strength is the one thing that I can actually do well with. Size, and agility/speed haven't worked out for me. I've got those strong-ass Lithuanian genes in me, I'm gonna put em to use.

[echoareone]

(From yesterday, sorry)

BB Bench
10x185
8x205
3x5x240
2x3x250
4x2x265

Lat Pulldown
4x8x175

Hammer Curl
4x8x50


A note about the machines at our gym...175 on the pulldown was more than enough to hold my 210-pound ass up in the air. I dunno what it translates to. Eventually I want to phase pulldown out for regular chin-ups. That'll happen when I feel more comfortable with my shoulders.

[echoareone]

Squat
10x225
8x275
2x5x315
3x3x345
4x2x385

Dip
3x12xBW+65

Bent-Over Shoulder Flye
2x12x30



Owwwwww. The squats felt good at the time...and f*cking hurt later. But at least I cowed everyone else in the gym. It'll only be better once I reach my goal of 500.


BTW, my current obsession is to reach a 1400 lb big 3 total. Current:

Deadlift: 455
Bench: 275
Squat: 425
total: 1155

Getting bench to 300+ will be no problem, and my dead can get to 550+ in no time, I just need to start working these again, lol.

[echoareone]

BB Row: 3x8x235
1-hand Cable Row: 4x12x110
Db Press: 4x8x80
Shoulder Raise: 3x12x30
DB Curl: 4x8x55
Rope Pushdown: 4x12x90


Spinal erectors are not feeling good at all. I had to take it pretty easy today...and even if I'm trying to kick up my main lifts...I still wanna have arms. Heh.

Well, it's almost time for PCT. Working through my stash of adrenosterone, and once that's done...I'm high and dry. Ick.

[Loctus]

Strong squats there Owenz. I need to get my squattin' up to par :D

[echoareone]

Strong squats there Owenz. I need to get my squattin' up to par :D

Dude....my abductors and hip flexors are SOOO sore. I adopted the wider, powerlifting-style squatting stance. Brutal.

I could have bumped the doubles up to 405, but I wanna leave room in all my lifts for progression each week.

I'm so excited to get my lifts up. 500+ deadlift will be no problem. Triples at 405 last week, without having deadlifted in 2+ months, were pretty easy.

[echoareone]

Deadlift
8x315
2x5x365
3x3x405
4x2x425

Hang Clean
3x5x170

Tricep Pushdown
3x12x150


So...this workout was a bit truncated, due to the fact that I ripped one of my calluses off, and the skin underneath was pretty uncomfortable. I didn't want to start bleeding all over the place/get a Staph infection...but the deadlifts were good, lol.

[echoareone]

Bench
10x190
8x210
2x5x240
3x3x255
3x2x270

Pulldown
3x10x"180"

DB Curl
4x8x50

Flye
3x10x40


Uggggh I have the flu. I never f*cking get sick, what is this sh*t?? Have gotten sooo little sleep in the past few days, cause of my sore throat, just generally feeling weak as hell. Anyway...gonna probably take a light week next week, considering the dumb amounts of hurt I'm feeling in my hips and spinal erectors. Ick.

[echoareone]

Squat
5x315
3x3x365
3x2x390

Leg Extension
3x10x250

Leg Curl
3x10x150

Bench Dip
3x15x135

Rear Delt work



So....I started this workout with a SILLY amount of discomfort in my back. I threw on a belt, adjusted my stance a bit and it was pretty OK after that...until my patellar ligaments started hurting!! >_<
If it's not one thing, it's another......

Oh well. On and on we go. PCT has started today.

[NathanielS]

What're you doing for your pct out of wondering?

[echoareone]

What're you doing for your pct out of wondering?

Reversitol. Works just fine for a light PH cycle.

[echoareone]

DB Curl
4x8x55

Wide Grip BB Curl
3x15x80

Rear Delt Work

Rope Pushdown
3x20x140

Bench Dip
3x20x145



Oooh I like high volume arms. :D
The "rear delt work" is this thing where you kinda lay facedown on an inclined bench, and go forward with one arm, and back with the other, repeat, etc. My rear delts need work.

I will be randomly doing agility/crossfit/crazy workouts...I'll tell you when those happen, but they're stupid to describe. I had one yesterday.