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genepool
12-14-2008, 10:56 PM
We all talk about getting blood work done to establish levels so you know what is going on with your body during cycles. Here is a list of the tests you should get during the 3 cycle phases to keep track of your health

Total Testosterone - This will be your baseline level, and a measure of recover of when you return to "normal". Get it done first thing in the morning when levels are highest. Normal levels for males run 300-1000. Just because you are at the lower end of normal doesn?t mean u are malfunctioning. The levels are broad because everyone has a different homeostatic value, and 300 doesn't make you less of a man or have less potential than a person with a 1000 baseline level. On Stern years ago they all had levels tested, Howards was close to 1000 and he is built like a stick. My pre shutdown level was 416, so that gives you an idea of what it means to potential.

Free Testosterone - This is the actually physiologically active portion of total testosterone. Most of Total test is bound up in SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and is inactive. Free testosterone exerts an effect on the body. It accounts for roughly 2% of total testosterone. Not exactly an indicator of recover, but can be a clue to decreased libido.

Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) ? A pituitary hormone that stimulates sperm production. Normal levels range from 1.5-6.8IU. This is an indicator of recovery of the HPTA. Mid cycle it will drop to close to zero.

Luteinizing Hormone - Another pituitary hormone. It is responsible for stimulating the Leydig cells of the Testes to produce testosterone. During PCT the level will be elevated above your baseline as the body recovers. Once full recover is achieved it will return to normal values. 2-12IU is normal range. High or low doesn't matter unless your total test levels are abnormal. Mid cycle it will drop to close to zero.

Comprehensive Metabolic Panel - AKA Chem. 21. This panel includes all electrolytes, Kidney/Liver enzymes and metabolic products. The most important values to watch on this are AST (SGOT, GOT), ALT(GPT , SGPT), ALP, GGT which are liver and kidney enzymes. Total Protein, and Albumin levels are also indicative of liver function and are NOT related to protein intake. Albumin is a transport protein produced by the liver and accounts for almost 50% of total protein. Total Protein is a measure of all the proteins produced by the body including immunoglobulins. And BUN, Creatinine, which indicate kidney function. On a higher protein diet BUN is going to be naturally elevated because BUN is a metabolic byproduct of protein metabolism.

Cholesterol Panel + Triglycerides - Obvious reasons for this. HDL, LDL and Total Cholesterol levels are important to keep note of. This is one of the more dangerous effects of AAS usage is the effect on cholesterol. High levels of test coupled with lower levels of estrogen destroy your cholesterol levels and can lead to atherosclerosis (plaque build up in the coronary arteries).

Ancillary Labs. Not vital, but useful if you experience certain sides.

Estradiol/Estrogen - Levels in normal men should be under 20pg/mL. Estrogenic sides will be apparent faster than you can get the results from the test (aka gyno). Post cycle it will help indicate how fast you recover. Higher levels of estrogen are suppressive of Testosterone.

Prolactin - In men the levels should be between 0-15ng/mL. Higher levels can cause lactation and in post cycle higher levels are suppressive of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone).

Thyroid Panel - Theoretically AAS use should have minimal to no effect on thyroid function. But it always good to know if you plan on using T3, T4 during a cycle. Get Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH), Total T4, Free T4, Total T3, Free T3 and T3 Uptake. Don?t bother with Reverse T3, it is an outdated and useless test.

Cortisol - Although I personally feel this hormone is given FAR too much weight in AAS use, it can still be a useful level to know. It is elevated in times of stress and can become more elevated if you approach overtraining. The level is going to be higher in the AM because it is a "wake up" hormone that increases blood glucose levels to help kick start your metabolism in the morning, 5-25mcg/dL is normal for AM levels.

genepool
12-15-2008, 01:33 PM
bumpin up for review

strength777
12-15-2008, 01:37 PM
bumpin up for review

dang bro,

You'v been pulling out the big guns lately.

Another one for the "best of" forum

strength777
12-15-2008, 01:38 PM
dang bro,

You'v been pulling out the big guns lately.

Another one for the "best of" forum

the only thing i would change is the the total estrogen range.

Due to me being on trt, i monitor that very closely. My doctor said anything between 20-30 is great, 40 being at the top end.

xpunksurferx
12-15-2008, 01:54 PM
how much would a test like this cost, and can any lab do it ?

Androgen
12-15-2008, 02:00 PM
Nice. I vote sticky, because I always see threads asking "what should I ask the doc to test for in post cycle bloodwork".

DetroitHammer
12-15-2008, 02:09 PM
how much would a test like this cost, and can any lab do it ?

About $200. I suppose any lab can do it, but without a doctor's request, they probably won't. I went to a private lab last week and am awaiting my results. They take 72 hours for all those tests. I want to see where I am now with a weekly dose of: test 600mg, deca 200mg and Winny 100mg. I'm also using 500iu HCG every wk. No AI. This will be about 8 weeks. I'll post if anyone is interested.

resin77
12-15-2008, 02:19 PM
excellent post bro!

Could you please explain more about the estrogen (ref: Post cycle it will help indicate how fast you recover. Higher levels of estrogen are suppressive of Testosterone.)

Thanks :)

resin77
12-15-2008, 02:22 PM
About $200. I suppose any lab can do it, but without a doctor's request, they probably won't. I went to a private lab last week and am awaiting my results. They take 72 hours for all those tests. I want to see where I am now with a weekly dose of: test 600mg, deca 200mg and Winny 100mg. I'm also using 500iu HCG every wk. No AI. This will be about 8 weeks. I'll post if anyone is interested.

Damn.. in my country all healthcare is for free. I can basically go in every month and say i feel tired and want to check my blood. Since everything is free here there is no need to lie to your doc about using AAS and can get better help..

genepool
12-15-2008, 02:41 PM
the only thing i would change is the the total estrogen range.

Due to me being on trt, i monitor that very closely. My doctor said anything between 20-30 is great, 40 being at the top end.

Reference ranges vary from lab to lab. That's my hospitals range. Every lab establishes its own range based off a population of 300-1000 "normal" patients/samples

DetroitHammer
12-15-2008, 02:47 PM
Damn.. in my country all healthcare is for free. I can basically go in every month and say i feel tired and want to check my blood. Since everything is free here there is no need to lie to your doc about using AAS and can get better help..

And you've probably got some hot blonde nurse standing by to draw the samples. :) You're lucky!

genepool
12-15-2008, 02:56 PM
excellent post bro!

Could you please explain more about the estrogen (ref: Post cycle it will help indicate how fast you recover. Higher levels of estrogen are suppressive of Testosterone.)

Thanks :)
Well we all know about homeostasis and hormonal balance in the body. The HPTA works on a negative feedback loop. Meaning when levels of a particular HPTA hormone are elevated it shuts down production of the gonadotropins. Estrogen in males is almost purely a biproduct of testosterone conversion.
Its not an if/then relationship with estro and test. Meaning its not if estro is high the body reacts by making test to balance it. The body reacts by suppressing test production to reduce estrogenic conversion. Post cycle test levels crash. While unfortunately estrogen remains slightly elevated over normal.
It happens because the test is still being converted at the same rate while the esters clear the system.so while test plummets before recovery estrogen stays elevated. That elevation is responsible for post cycle gyno, and for post cycle suppression. Which is where pct drugs come into play, stimulation of the HPTA while keeping estrogen receptors clogged so it can't exert "negative" effects.

If recovery seems slow or u start getting post cycle bloat/gyno, estrogen is the cause. Also the inherent surge of test during recovery can induce further estrogenic suppression until homeostasis is returned

resin77
12-15-2008, 03:14 PM
And you've probably got some hot blonde nurse standing by to draw the samples. :) You're lucky!

Actually, you're right! ;)

Troy_Trinity
12-15-2008, 03:17 PM
get some mod's to throw some reps his way...

hell of a good post bro!

STICKY THIS THREAD!

ymira
12-15-2008, 03:24 PM
Start a new thread for that question

strength777
12-15-2008, 04:00 PM
Stickied due to many requests via pm and on here.

Great job genepool

Herd
12-15-2008, 04:04 PM
Great thread man. Definitely needs to be stickied.

Anyone have any tips for getting insurance to cover these tests with any kind of regularity?

The Squatch
12-15-2008, 09:04 PM
how much would a test like this cost, and can any lab do it ?

You can go to some free/low-income or public wellness clinics and have the tests run pretty inexpensively, and they mail the results. They usually advise to consult with a doc to discuss the results, but you can find enough info online (like this post or others like it) to decipher and see if you're suppressed/recovered.

The Squatch
12-15-2008, 09:05 PM
Great thread man. Definitely needs to be stickied.

Anyone have any tips for getting insurance to cover these tests with any kind of regularity?

Unless you have a medical condition that requires regular testing, you're probably SOL. Even if you did have something, the chances of having a chem/lipid/free and total test/FSH/LSH panel done on a regular basis are pretty low. It'd most likely be a test for whatever ails you (kidney function, lipids, etc.), not everything.