The kick that Vera uses on Jardine [Archive]

UrbanFlatline

10-20-2008, 07:26 AM

I practice this all the time but have never had a chance to use it in a match... I learned it in American Freestyle Karate when I was like twelve. Not so much as an attack but as a defensive move to stop there momentum

the_guvna

10-20-2008, 08:00 AM

that gif makes me cringe every time

bubba289

10-20-2008, 08:00 AM

*cringe*

HardGainer82

10-20-2008, 08:04 AM

That's why I stretch

I don't know how much that helps when a 205 pound man hyperextends your knee.

CR123

10-20-2008, 08:07 AM

Would be effective in a street fight where you fear for your safety or life.

As for the ring it's kind of dirty wait, no it is dirty.

and I like Vera.

UrbanFlatline

10-20-2008, 08:12 AM

How is it dirty? That is a move just like an elbow or punch...

CR123

10-20-2008, 08:17 AM

How is it dirty? That is a move just like an elbow or punch...

You're right it is a move but, it was a straight kick toward Jardines knee. Looks like an attempt to hyperextend or even tear the ligaments.

A punch to the throat is just a punch but, with bad intentions.

drpurple

10-20-2008, 08:18 AM

HardGainer82

10-20-2008, 08:27 AM

Yeah I don't think he was deliberately trying to do that to the knee, and if he was that's kinda a scummy move.

tabloid

10-20-2008, 08:30 AM

wow, rear leg teep to the thigh is really hard to land during a fight. Vera's Muay Thai is pretty good.

mophatthedamaja

10-20-2008, 08:30 AM

i wouldn't do that to someone coming at me, even in a fight worth thousands of dollars, i would be afraid i'd end a career

no vera hate i don't think it was intentional, just a ****ty move

drpurple

10-20-2008, 09:00 AM

Yeah I don't think he was deliberately trying to do that to the knee, and if he was that's kinda a scummy move.

thats why i think it was a mistake. i kicked someone like that during sparring, and his knee did the exact same thing. i felt dso **** afterwards. i think he was expecting to put him off balance, not snap his knee.

pikeamus

10-20-2008, 09:00 AM

Looked like a standard knee stomp that they teach in wing chun, kali, krav and dozens of other self defence orientated martial arts. I've never been taught it in a sport based striking art because as people have mentioned its the kinda thing that can do permanent damage. However its not against the rules in mma so you can't really blame someone for using it, the rules seem to cover everything else.

King Baer

10-20-2008, 09:12 AM

i wouldn't do that to someone coming at me, even in a fight worth thousands of dollars, i would be afraid i'd end a career

no vera hate i don't think it was intentional, just a ****ty move

You could seriously injure somebody with a variety of moves: heel hook, slam, even a punch to the face. One of our guys broke his opponent's orbital bone with a punch on Saturday in a sanctioned fight.

Jaws get broken all the time... etc. Fighting is a dangerous sport. I wouldn't worry too much about a teep to the thigh. One of my favorite moves, but again I don't go for the knee, I go for the thigh. Sets up a good lead leg kick or knee.

Madevilz

10-20-2008, 09:14 AM

ya, that's a Muay Thai push kick... only he used it a a bit too low imo... that could have destroyed Jardine's knee if enough power was put.

injured44

10-20-2008, 09:18 AM

that move should be reserved for street fights it looked very cheap seeing it in a MMA match, and jardine must have torn some ligaments the thing bent backwards

IzRiot

10-20-2008, 09:25 AM

lol brutal teep.

UrbanFlatline

10-20-2008, 09:27 AM

But if you watch the video it wasnt used as a strike but as a push to stop momentum... He could have struck the knee and caused damage but it doesnt take a lot of force at the point to stop a body from coming forward

UrbanFlatline

10-20-2008, 09:28 AM

that move should be reserved for street fights it looked very cheap seeing it in a MMA match, and jardine must have torn some ligaments the thing bent backwards

Look again... It bent sideways

CLEAN_SET_OF_10

10-20-2008, 09:40 AM

Another pound of force and Jardine's MCL would have ripped in two

Clark_Kent

10-20-2008, 09:43 AM

If he had landed that kick 6 - 8 inches higher on mid thigh would this even be an issue? I am surprised he was as accurate as he was with it. A guy in an amateur Muay Thai fight I went too on Saturday landed the same kick, mid thigh though, and put his opponent on his face. It was very effective and caused no real damage to the guy getting kicked.

DOC

10-20-2008, 09:58 AM

ya they teach that kick in hapkido knee and hip are the two targets. i didnt think you were allowed to attack the knee like that in mma?

Coach McGuirk

10-20-2008, 10:04 AM

I asked about this in another thread

did anyone think veras push kick to the knee was dirty??

and this was the only response i got lol

how is that dirty? its a legit technique...hurts like a bitch when someone pulls it off as well. To be honest im surprised that it isnt used more in the UFC

anyway it DOES seem a little dirty to me and i see some of you agree... yes it is legal but it just seemed Fed up to try to blow out someones knee...

muay thai push kick.

if you tap about half way up the thigh as the opponent comes in for a strike, the balance is rocked, as the leg is stopped in its movement.

i think he went for that, and missed slightly. whatever it was, it worked.

i agree with this... also idk if anyone noticed but he didnt really go back to that leg until the end of round... maybe he felt bad?? (strong speculation lol)

DaeJ

10-20-2008, 10:11 AM

ya they teach that kick in hapkido knee and hip are the two targets. i didnt think you were allowed to attack the knee like that in mma?

I don't know how much that helps when a 205 pound man hyperextends your knee.

That **** looked nasty. I guess directly attacking the knee is one of those things that's "not illegal but frowned upon."
It's the same issue with football and diving and hitting the knee caps. It's not illegal, but you shouldn't try for it as it can end your career.

MUFC

10-20-2008, 10:16 AM

I think thats a Savate kick. Not sure, but its nothing from MT.

HardGainer82

10-20-2008, 10:26 AM

I think thats a Savate kick. Not sure, but its nothing from MT.

It's a teep, bro.

Errorist

10-20-2008, 10:26 AM

I think its a dirty move in a game that has other rules in place. After the match, Jardine said it did hurt and was the same knee hes had surgery on as well.

MUFC

10-20-2008, 10:27 AM

It's a teep, bro.

You sure?

I always thought the foot had to be vertical for it to be a teep.

drpurple

10-20-2008, 10:29 AM

You sure?

I always thought the foot had to be vertical for it to be a teep.

ive never been told anything as strict as that. but its a technique commonly taught in muay thai, for sure.

mophatthedamaja

10-20-2008, 11:00 AM

You could seriously injure somebody with a variety of moves: heel hook, slam, even a punch to the face. One of our guys broke his opponent's orbital bone with a punch on Saturday in a sanctioned fight.

Jaws get broken all the time... etc. Fighting is a dangerous sport. I wouldn't worry too much about a teep to the thigh. One of my favorite moves, but again I don't go for the knee, I go for the thigh. Sets up a good lead leg kick or knee.

good point, but id on't usually see a guy aim for and hit someone's major joints with a kick

same can be said for ANY move MMA they're designed to hurt lol, for me though a shot to the knee is a little borderline...

anytime i set up a superman punch i feignt a low leg kick
this kick LOOKED like it was deliberate towards his knee, he didn't "set-up" ANYTHING after the kick

Clark_Kent

10-20-2008, 11:03 AM

drpurple

10-20-2008, 11:08 AM

good point, but id on't usually see a guy aim for and hit someone's major joints with a kick

same can be said for ANY move MMA they're designed to hurt lol, for me though a shot to the knee is a little borderline...

anytime i set up a superman punch i feignt a low leg kick
this kick LOOKED like it was deliberate towards his knee, he didn't "set-up" ANYTHING after the kick

no, but a kick to the leg in that manner is a defensive move, he only let it go after jardine went forward. i really dont think he meant it to go that low, as that sort of kick is more effective if its higher up on the leg.

HardGainer82

10-20-2008, 11:13 AM

Given the way he combined the kick with putting the long guard on Jardine's head, I have to agree that it looked like it was a move to create distance and land the cross, but Jardine pulled out the gremlin punch as soon as his knee straightened back out.

mophatthedamaja

10-20-2008, 11:13 AM

I don't think he was targeting the knee though, I think he meant to hit higher.

true it's definitely a defensive move much like a regular teep, i don't think he did either, it just looked that way

joelz54_99

10-20-2008, 11:25 AM

Looks like a wing chun low kick which bruce lee uses. Pretty effective if practiced in a propper way.

http://i37.tinypic.com/95tr7k.jpg

Fail

Vera trains Muay Thai

pikeamus

10-20-2008, 11:28 AM

ive never been told anything as strict as that. but its a technique commonly taught in muay thai, for sure.

Looked like a stamping front kick to the knee to me. Rear leg, downwards motion, toe out... somewhat different to what people commonly call the teep (which I understand is technically a "teep trong"). Muay thai calls all front kicks teep x but this was sufficiently different from the "teep" that everyone knows that I think it should really be referred to by a specific name.

All stand-up martial arts have basically the same techniques, if we are gonna call the clinch with head control the "muay thai clinch" why don't we refer to this strike by the name used in martial arts where it features more prominently? Or even better by a name we can't associate with any martial art in particular.

drpurple

10-20-2008, 11:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMMBRBNtZLw&feature=related

not exactly what i was looking for, but there you go.

drpurple

10-20-2008, 11:34 AM

Looked like a stamping front kick to the knee to me. Rear leg, downwards motion, toe out... somewhat different to what people commonly call the teep (which I understand is technically a "teep trong"). Muay thai calls all front kicks teep x but this was sufficiently different from the "teep" that everyone knows that I think it should really be referred to by a specific name.

All stand-up martial arts have basically the same techniques, if we are gonna call the clinch with head control the "muay thai clinch" why don't we refer to this strike by the name used in martial arts where it features more prominently? Or even better by a name we can't associate with any martial art in particular.

fair enough, i agree.

i dont really know the names, but my teacher has shown me odd angled front kicks...toe out, toe in, side kick, teep-to-roundhouse etc etc.

i dont think its important to know the names, save to say that as vera trains in muay thai, its safe to assume that it was intended to be a teep of somesort (ie a defensive "push").

but yes....this is commonly taught in muay thai, however, it probably has different names in other martial arts, i dont think its exclusive in any way.

DaeJ

10-20-2008, 01:04 PM

Looked like a stamping front kick to the knee to me. Rear leg, downwards motion, toe out... somewhat different to what people commonly call the teep (which I understand is technically a "teep trong"). Muay thai calls all front kicks teep x but this was sufficiently different from the "teep" that everyone knows that I think it should really be referred to by a specific name.

All stand-up martial arts have basically the same techniques, if we are gonna call the clinch with head control the "muay thai clinch" why don't we refer to this strike by the name used in martial arts where it features more prominently? Or even better by a name we can't associate with any martial art in particular.
LET'S JUST CALL IT A KICK. SINCE WHAT MARTIAL ART HE GOT IT FROM IS IRRELEVANT. SINCE HE COULD HAVE PICKED IT UP, MODIFIED IT, FLIPPED IT, FROM ANYWHERE.

malfee

10-20-2008, 01:10 PM

is there a working gif of the kick? i'd like to see

DaeJ

10-20-2008, 01:10 PM

is there a working gif of the kick? i'd like to see
^^^ LOOK UP

moodymikey

10-20-2008, 02:09 PM

I dont see why everyoneis going crazy over that move. Its a muay thai teep to the leg, though usually its done to the upper leg. Stops the fighter coming forward and gives them a dead leg. Vera just struck a little low, its not dirty though. Its a legal strike

MXdawg2

10-20-2008, 02:16 PM

Fack that looked ugly. Lower than intended, used it defensively as Jardine lunged forward, can see the argument if it was intentional or not.

odoreater

10-20-2008, 02:28 PM

We train push kicks to the thigh in muay thai.

Kane Fan

10-20-2008, 07:55 PM

I don't know how much that helps when a 205 pound man hyperextends your knee.

especially when that 205 lb man is realistically like 215 or 220 and just cut down to 205 the other day

it is pretty awsome when I first saw it I thought the kick landed below the knee so that might be why the ref didn't say too much

Kane Fan

10-20-2008, 07:56 PM

muay thai push kick.

if you tap about half way up the thigh as the opponent comes in for a strike, the balance is rocked, as the leg is stopped in its movement.

i think he went for that, and missed slightly. whatever it was, it worked.

if you target below the knee the balance gets screwed up and they usually go forward
I usually pushkick at the hip tho

Govithoy

10-20-2008, 11:57 PM

especially when that 205 lb man is realistically like 215 or 220 and just cut down to 205 the other day

it is pretty awsome when I first saw it I thought the kick landed below the knee so that might be why the ref didn't say too much
Vera cut practically nothing for this fight, he was 197 several weeks ago.