Lee Crost [MD], fake doctor?

[Apostle X]

Already been in touch with St. George's University. Will post info when its complete :)

so what did they say

[user27629377]

brb taking my final at University of Phoenix Online Campus for my M.D.

[fitnfirm]

No listings For Crost at American Board of Medical Specialties

[canuhandleit]

brb taking my final at University of Phoenix Online Campus for my M.D.

brb changing my official physician to SCDiesel.

[fitnfirm]

I just received a PM from someone who doesnt want to post this info because of affiliation.

They said :

Crost is not the full last name, his real name is EDWARD LEE JR CROSTHWAIT and his license was cancelled.

[canuhandleit]

EDWARD LEE JR CROSTHWAIT license was canceled in the 1980s and graduated from a diff. uni... I don't think that's him...

[Stonecoldtruth]

I just received a PM from someone who doesnt want to post this info because of affiliation.

They said :

Crost is not the full last name, his real name is EDWARD LEE JR CROSTHWAIT and his license was cancelled.

That doesn't match the information on education either, Crostwait went to:
Graduation: Univ Of Tn, Memphis, Coll Of Med, Memphis Tn 38163, (1969)
Residency: St Joseph Hosp, Flexible Or Transitional Year

[MBSowards]

Someone lied to Fit in PMs! :eek:

[canuhandleit]

Someone lied to Fit in PMs! :eek:

Lol.

[fitnfirm]

That doesn't match the information on education either, Crostwait went to:
Graduation: Univ Of Tn, Memphis, Coll Of Med, Memphis Tn 38163, (1969)
Residency: St Joseph Hosp, Flexible Or Transitional Year

Im just posting what they wanted me too. I havent looked into it .

[Stonecoldtruth]

Im just posting what they wanted me too. I havent looked into it .

What is interesting is that if you do look up Lee Crost on whitepages it brings up a phone number and address. Both of those are tied to the now defunct Sherwyns... That makes me think there is a real Lee Crost who is claiming to be a doctor, either that or someone has gone to a lot of trouble to make it look so.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/stonecoldtruth/googlemaps.jpg

[fitnfirm]

What is interesting is that if you do look up Lee Crost on whitepages it brings up a phone number and address. Both of those are tied to the now defunct Sherwyns... That makes me think there is a real Lee Crost who is claiming to be a doctor, either that or someone has gone to a lot of trouble to make it look so.

I saw that as well. I ran a search on my own doctor and POOF its there, but this guy is not listed on any medical entity database so Im 99% sure he has never been a licensed MD.

[Stonecoldtruth]

I saw that as well. I ran a search on my own doctor and POOF its there, but this guy is not listed on any medical entity database so Im 99% sure he has never been a licensed MD.

I think once you hear back from the University(ies) that we'll have a pretty definitive answer.

[fitnfirm]

[QUOTE=Stonecoldtruth;197967231]What is interesting is that if you do look up Lee Crost on whitepages it brings up a phone number and address. Both of those are tied to the now defunct Sherwyns... That makes me think there is a real Lee Crost who is claiming to be a doctor, either that or someone has gone to a lot of trouble to make it look so.





Warren Sherwyn was an MD and he owned Sherwyns

[fitnfirm]

I think once you hear back from the University(ies) that we'll have a pretty definitive answer.



Have contacted both that were listed.

[canuhandleit]

Finally, on topic.

Both of my doctors i've ever used show up. I wonder.

[Stonecoldtruth]

Cached from Sherwyn's old 'About Us' portion of their website.

Meet Our Staff

Owner
Sherwyn Cotovsky C.C.N., Emeritus -- Certified Clinical Nutritionist

Owner
Gail Cotovsky -- M.Ed.

Outside Sales
Zenith Hynes -- Website fulfillment and outside sales

Natural Remedy Consultant
Lee Crost, M.D. -- Vitamins, Herbs, Body Care

Vitamin Department
Michael Aul -- Vitamin Buyer

Nutritional Consultant
Mira Didinsky, N.D., CNC, PhD. -- Naturopathic Doctor, Certified Clinical consultant, PhD.

Herbal Department
John Quinn, N.D. -- Naturopathic & Homeopathic Specialist.

Body Care Department
Michele Crawford -- Body Care Specialist

Grocery Department
Soraida Sologaistoa -- Natural Foods Buyer

Webmaster
Amy Swanstrom -- Design and Maintenance

Store Policies / Services
Website Questions
All website inquires are to be address to Zenith. Sherwyn@aol.com 1-773-477-1934

Help Wanted

Job Openings

Just e-mail or fax us your resume. Medical Degrees are a plus.

Taken from:
http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=1016641088&page_url=%2f%2fwww.sherwyns.com%2fretailer%2fstore _templates%2fret_about_us.asp%3fstoreID%3dVNP3KN5J 3HSR2L1D0G03N0ET9VTJ27C2&page_last_updated=9%2f18%2f2006+3%3a27%3a54+PM&firstName=Lee&lastName=Crost

[EMISGOD]

FYI, you CAN call me Dr. McLovin !!

I know I already do! :D

[canuhandleit]

Cached from Sherwyn's old 'About Us' portion of their website.

Meet Our Staff

Owner
Sherwyn Cotovsky C.C.N., Emeritus -- Certified Clinical Nutritionist

Owner
Gail Cotovsky -- M.Ed.

Outside Sales
Zenith Hynes -- Website fulfillment and outside sales

Natural Remedy Consultant
Lee Crost, M.D. -- Vitamins, Herbs, Body Care

Vitamin Department
Michael Aul -- Vitamin Buyer

Nutritional Consultant
Mira Didinsky, N.D., CNC, PhD. -- Naturopathic Doctor, Certified Clinical consultant, PhD.

Herbal Department
John Quinn, N.D. -- Naturopathic & Homeopathic Specialist.

Body Care Department
Michele Crawford -- Body Care Specialist

Grocery Department
Soraida Sologaistoa -- Natural Foods Buyer

Webmaster
Amy Swanstrom -- Design and Maintenance

Store Policies / Services
Website Questions
All website inquires are to be address to Zenith. Sherwyn@aol.com 1-773-477-1934

Help Wanted

Job Openings

Just e-mail or fax us your resume. Medical Degrees are a plus.

Taken from:
http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=1016641088&page_url=%2f%2fwww.sherwyns.com%2fretailer%2fstore _templates%2fret_about_us.asp%3fstoreID%3dVNP3KN5J 3HSR2L1D0G03N0ET9VTJ27C2&page_last_updated=9%2f18%2f2006+3%3a27%3a54+PM&firstName=Lee&lastName=Crost

Now that's something.

[ElMariachi]

I personally have a hard time believing triathelete is anything less than a stellar member.


I second that


x2 !!!





I agree as well. He's been a pretty standup guy on these forums, he's definitely not a trouble-maker or some flake with a grudge. Seems like an all around solid guy.

[canuhandleit]

Try giving this number a call? 1-773-477-1934

[fitnfirm]

For the stores corporate info ( ILL )they listed him as Sherwyn Warren MD. Hmmm ( edited I had the names switched )

[fitnfirm]

Try giving this number a call? 1-773-477-1934

disconnected.

[canuhandleit]

Lol, so what the hell is going on? The healthy food store that closed down is involved now?

[java568]

I think once this is solved, we should start trying to find missing children.

Supplement detectives FTW

[fitnfirm]

address & phone has been found.

[tilebreaker]

Wow this thread is another witch hunt. Doctors kill and injure people every year it?s called malpractice. Even the FDA can be wrong, remember Vioxx killed 60,000 people. Just because someone has a degree doesn't mean their word is infallible or that they even know the slightest thing about what they are talking about. Furthermore, this area of study (nootropics) is a young branch of medicine and a degree really doesn't mean much in this department. In fact doctors are taught about pharmaceutical drugs more than natural remedies/nootropics.
Ya Steve gives information about nootropics and even explains interactions between them and prescribed/recreational drugs ...so what?...as do I and many other people EVEN a bum off the street can! It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to seek out the truth and act responsibly. NO ONES word is the final say, idc how many degrees or how few. A conclusion should be based on a solid foundation of sources and cross references.

I have no medical degree BUT after spending ALOT of time researching nootropics, talking with doctors, reading countless published medical journals (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/), learning, and applying new knowledge, I know a thing or two about the subject at hand. A resource like Steve comes few and far between (both in this industry and out) just read a few of his posts for christs sake. He knows his ****, his products are legit, he is on the ball, his posts are quality, he cites his sources, he suggests extra measures for added safety, ect. Steve is a solid member.

I know this thread is about his md and that is fine but lets keep it that way and stop bashing him about distributing information.

My problem with this argument is that there is a reason people go to graduate school or medical school, receive PhDs or MDs and then (in the biomedical sciences) do long postdoctoral fellowships or residencies. Yes you can read up on subjects on PubMed and maybe if you have an adequate background in biology and chemistry, you'll be able to pick up some things. But there are many other aspects that come with spending time in a lab or with patients that simply cannot be experienced through reading.

As for the responsibility of individuals, I generally agree, but you've got to understand that many people don't "like" science, meaning they haven't got the background to interpret things they read, either through PubMed or on an internet forum. Hell, as a scientist, I still find it difficult to wade through some things that I'm not too familiar with. And many other people think they are self trained scientists when they are not.

/end rant.

[java568]

address & phone has been found.

brb placing tracking device on his car

[ILPump]

I think once this is solved, we should start trying to find missing children.

Supplement detectives FTW

This is funny :D

[fitnfirm]

brb placing tracking device on his car

that is a bit of a drive for you but heck go ahead if you want to :D

[EMISGOD]

brb placing tracking device on his car

Bastard. I'm trying not to like you and you're making it more difficult by being funny. :o

[Stonecoldtruth]

address & phone has been found.

Interestingly a reverse phone search of the two numbers show one in Albany NY and one in Thornton IL... shall have to make some calls methinks! I'm leaning towards the IL one as the Albany number shows some chicks name as registered to.

[Stonecoldtruth]

Bastard. I'm trying not to like you and you're making it more difficult by being funny. :o

^^ To this, Java is quickly becoming like the silver lining to the dark cloud.. you know what I mean. :D

[fitnfirm]

Interestingly a reverse phone search of the two numbers show one in Albany NY and one in Thornton IL... shall have to make some calls methinks! I'm leaning towards the IL one as the Albany number shows some chicks name as registered to.

if you wanna read a clusterf*ck thread go here :D http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9630&st=0

The girls name is it Heather by chance ?

[MBSowards]

Fit, why are we still awake? :confused:

[fitnfirm]

Fit, why are we still awake? :confused:

Im always up late, I dont have school tomorrow :p

[MBSowards]

Im always up late, I dont have school tomorrow :p

lol

[canuhandleit]

Is it not odd that Steve never tried to "cover up" any of those threads from 2 years back? Or even change his name up on the forums, who would know? I don't think he can be stupid enough to use this info AGAIN if it wasn't real? Just a thought.

[Stonecoldtruth]

if you wanna read a clusterf*ck thread go here :D http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9630&st=0

The girls name is it Heather by chance ?

No, Caneisha :D Then again, that was a result from the phonebook and we all know how notoriously inaccurate those are. I plan on giving all of the numbers I have a call, just for fun.

[MBSowards]

No, Caneisha :D Then again, that was a result from the phonebook and we all know how notoriously inaccurate those are. I plan on giving all of the numbers I have a call, just for fun.

Go to bed! :mad:

[DRP7]

I've sent a pm and am awaiting CN's response. From my end of things, if proven false, he'll need at the very least to remove it from his signature.

On a separate but related note, I think the drug threads need to stop and be removed as well. I actually think that they could provide a lot of insight and value if discussed in a purely factual manner. However, for the safety of members here and the potential for things to spiral out of hand, I think its best they stay off this board. We wouldn't want the potential for further litigation to arise now would we? (at least, not until I'm an attorney and can participate in a way that financially benefits me :p ).


jkeithc82 for MOD!!!

[Stonecoldtruth]

if you wanna read a clusterf*ck thread go here :D http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9630&st=0

The girls name is it Heather by chance ?

Here is the best overall thread thus far, screenshots and all!

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=169&t=9719

[DRP7]

Through a little bit of exchange, CN has stated that he wishes not to get involved with this. He stands by his claim that Lee Crost is in fact an MD. However, CN wishes to keep his friend's privacy, private.



if he is interested in keeping his friend's privacy private, why does he put his name, including the title, into his signature?

[DRP7]

FYI, you CAN call me Dr. McLovin !!


hehe, there was a guy (bb.com forum member) some time ago who used to call himself "Dr. shaved balls". I think it was Ellipitical Envy....


there are many doctors floating around the boards.....;)

[Bane]

Already been in touch with St. George's University. Will post info when its complete :)

Wow you are fast-I didn't even offer free t-bol

[DRP7]

Wow you are fast-I didn't even offer free t-bol

she is a lady and will rather wait for ebol 2 than for a test booster ;)

[~~Aries~~]

damn, Aries, you Avatar seriously distracts me....

I'm sorry :(



;)

This thread has really opened my eyes. I for one appreciate threads like this.

[Stonecoldtruth]

I'm sorry :(



;)

This thread has really opened my eyes. I for one appreciate threads like this.

So does that mean, in a way, that Supp Misc Detectives like me.. are heroes to you? :D

[An Inconvenient Bro]

So does that mean, in a way, that Supp Misc Detectives like me.. are heroes to you? :D

I sense a new coalition being formed

[Stonecoldtruth]

I sense a new coalition being formed

Sadly, no.. I will soon be affiliated and then unable to have such fun.. :D

[deserusan]

if he is interested in keeping his friend's privacy private, why does he put his name, including the title, into his signature?

I agree. Many companies use doctors as a part of their marketing to lend credibility to their claims. Fortunately, in America privacy laws regarding medical licensing aren't a private matter and all MD's credentials are verifiable with just a few clicks.

[E-Go]

I confused...

Why are you proclaiming to keep your "friends" information private when bylaw, his degree isn't private. Its not like they are asking for his home address and a picture of you and him holding a spoon at band camp. They just want to verify his license, which any real doctor would be happy to do. It helps put the customer/patient at ease when they see the license. You can end this forever by simply stating which state he has/had a license in. They are asking for public information, which as a consumer, they have a right too.

[Stonecoldtruth]

I confused...

Why are you proclaiming to keep your "friends" information private when bylaw, his degree isn't private. Its not like they are asking for his home address and a picture of you and him holding a spoon at band camp. They just want to verify his license, which any real doctor would be happy to do. It helps put the customer/patient at ease when they see the license. You can end this forever by simply stating which state he has/had a license in. They are asking for public information, which as a consumer, they have a right too.

Plus when you deny access to such information it just makes us dig up addresses, phone numbers, educational transcripts.. and the like :D

[Bane]

Let's found the secret company of e-detectives. Heroes for truth justice and the american way of junk food. Who's members expose the deceit on forums and receive free supplements for reward

[Stonecoldtruth]

Let's founf the secret company of e-detectives. Heroes for truth justice and the american way of junk food. Who's members expose the deceit on forums and receive free supplements for reward

Only if I can have a cape..

[user27629377]

Only if I can have a cape..

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/Rated_R1/cape0001.jpg

[~~Aries~~]

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/Rated_R1/cape0001.jpg

Seriously LMAO!!! :p

[Elliptical Envy]

hehe, there was a guy (bb.com forum member) some time ago who used to call himself "Dr. shaved balls". I think it was Ellipitical Envy....


there are many doctors floating around the boards.....;)

That was cxm :)

[Stonecoldtruth]

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/Rated_R1/cape0001.jpg

Goddamn right!

[TheStiffmeister]

Apparently, "CognitiveNutrition's" Medical Doctor, whom Steve uses to label his nootropics as safe by proxy, is not a real medical doctor. In fact, on this thread, Steve and "Lee Crost/LifeMirage" are roasted, and here is Steve's reply:

"While I cannot support everything leadership is saying LifeMirage [Lee Crost] did. I never saw him post anything like "I'm a medical doctor, or I'm a healthcare professional". Rather he described himself humbly as a health consultant with a medical degree.


Can anyone in Leadership tell us of what information LifeMirage gave to you describing his degree and work experience? I believe this would help everyone understand if he intended to misrepresent himself or not. "

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9524&st=330

Doesn't Steve still have "Lee Crost, MD" in his signature?

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9524

Interesting quotes from various people on the thread:

- "Empiricism may be valuable but it's not good enough when medicating yourself with Deprenyl or Rasagiline based on a fictional MD's recommendation." - kenj

- "especially now I'm concerned about his "advises" regarding Pyritinol use (up to 1200mg for instant effect) or Huperzine-A (claiming positive effects also having given it to "hundreds of women in the 40's" at 200mcg daily for years, oh my) or even his Deprenyl rave." - kenj

- "The basic issue seems to be that fact that he lied about his identity and the fact that he is MD. That?s the point we are at now. Then, one could ask ?Why did he do this?? - SubZero

- "Actually, Liplex, I believe LM creates a new user account whenever he wants to say something.. The last one was promeekeass. He also has his local cheering squad headed by Steve Silwa and closely followed by Liorr and Xanadu. Karitas is sitting by the sidelines trying to decide which picture of hers she should post next.. It's all rather farcical really, because once you interact with LM minus the artifices he veiled himself under you will discover there is not much of substance. But it seems this topic excites some people, inspires them to post and fosters interaction which is a good thing." - Bruce

- "Are you trying to say to us, Steve, that you know for a fact that Life Mirage is Lee Crost, but that there is no way for us to verify this fact. In other words, that we will just have to take your word for it! You should know by now that, with a site that is predominately atheistic, most of us are not inclined to form beliefs on faith alone.

You are also asking for me personally to believe that the Lee Crost I talked to on the phone lied to me, quite convincingly, through out our phone conversation. I'm tempted to call Mr. Crost again and ask him why he is lying to me. [tung] When he denies that he is lying to me, which I am sure he will, then I'll tell him that SteveS of Unique Nutrition has stated emphatically that he is in fact Life Mirage.

It all would have worked out so well Steve. Unfortunate, it seems as if Mr. Crost isn't willing to be your fall guy. " - N0NZER0

- "Everything I saw LM do/say in the now hidden "thoughts" topic proved that either LM was an unstable 20-something year old or an unstable 40+ year old guy that works at a vitamin shop...Clinical Experience? LM having an MD? Even in the BEST CASE argued scenarios where LM is Lee, he's a guy that works behind the counter in a vitamin store. I'm not knocking the guys job nor the value of it, but there's ZERO clinical experience. There are ZERO "patients". There is ZERO long term tracking.
" - kevink

"I can verify he is LifeMirage but why should I?" - Steve Sliwa (cognitivenutrition)

Apparently, the "real" Lee Crost works at a health food store and may or may not have an MD, but has no connection to Steve Sliwa whatsoever. The "Lee Crost, MD" represented by "cognitive nutrition" is in fact a guy named Edward Younan, who is in his twenties with no degree.


Developing...


hahhaha awesome man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you for this find. shady as ****! if you want i can use my system to verify his license to see if it indeed exists and contact the propose dr lee crost to clarify he is indeed working with that company.

[tilebreaker]

Don't think we're going to hear much about this from CN again. Hopefully the mods and forum supersleuths will keep at it though...

[DRP7]

Don't think we're going to hear much about this from CN again.

i think so, too. in this case, he should be forced to remove the "Lee Crost, MD" from his signature.

but then, when did bb.com ever forced any company to do anything? bb.com earns money through uniquenutrition sales....

[user27629377]

i think so, too. in this case, he should be forced to remove the "Lee Crost, MD" from his signature.

but then, when did bb.com ever forced any company to do anything? bb.com earns money through uniquenutrition sales....

Which is truly unfortunate, because the number of people who actually see this thread will be relatively small compared to the number of people who see his signature....

[~~Aries~~]

Money > Morals unfortunately.

[fitnfirm]

OMG guess what I have from SGU :D WHo wants to see it :D

[TheDictionary]

My problem with this argument is that there is a reason people go to graduate school or medical school, receive PhDs or MDs and then (in the biomedical sciences) do long postdoctoral fellowships or residencies. Yes you can read up on subjects on PubMed and maybe if you have an adequate background in biology and chemistry, you'll be able to pick up some things. But there are many other aspects that come with spending time in a lab or with patients that simply cannot be experienced through reading.

As for the responsibility of individuals, I generally agree, but you've got to understand that many people don't "like" science, meaning they haven't got the background to interpret things they read, either through PubMed or on an internet forum. Hell, as a scientist, I still find it difficult to wade through some things that I'm not too familiar with. And many other people think they are self trained scientists when they are not.

/end rant.

I used to work at a pharmacy in CVS and one day the pharmacists gave a woman the wrong dosage of formula for her baby, apparantly it was enough to kill the baby ten times over...luckily before adminstering the formula to the baby the mother noticed that the dosage seemed like alot and instead of being a mindless zombie and thinking "well he has a degree it must be ok" she called other pharmacies and saved her babies life. No one is infallible! Others who do not triangulate their sources will not be as lucky.


Whatever I'm done this thread isn't about science or the health of bb's members it's about being right or wrong.


So you think your smart huh ? You think you can fool everyone ? Ive just made this thread my number one priority. I will go to the ends of the earth to prove you are a fraud, liar, scammer.

why would you say that? now you have a vested interest in proving he is a fraud, liar, and scammer instead of a vested interest in truth as you should.

anyways let the witch hunt continue...

[fitnfirm]

I used to work at a pharmacy in CVS and one day the pharmacists gave a woman the wrong dosage of formula for her baby, apparantly it was enough to kill the baby ten times over...luckily before adminstering the formula to the baby the mother noticed that the dosage seemed like alot and instead of being a mindless zombie and thinking "well he has a degree it must be ok" she called other pharmacies and saved her babies life. No one is infallible! Others who do not triangulate their sources will not be as lucky.


Whatever I'm done this thread isn't about science or the health of bb's members it's about being right or wrong.



why would you say that? now you have a vested interest in proving he is a fraud, liar, and scammer instead of a vested interest in truth

anyways let the witch hunt continue...



LMAO Oh I got the truth BABY Im gonna post it in a sec :D

[tilebreaker]

OMG guess what I have from SGU :D WHo wants to see it :D

A caribbean diploma? Does it have palm trees?

[fitnfirm]

Due to Mr. poppy cock complaining about my other screen cap, I will just show the details of the message, and not the phone numbers and other personal info. So I ask, how did he attend 2 universities at the same time ??? Hmmm Ya he claimed this :


Albany Medical College, New York 1987-1989
St George's University School of Medicine


And here is what SGU said :


Hello Kathy,

Here is the information for:

Lee M. Crost

Matriculated on: 1/3/1983
Student Withdrew: 2/22/1988

Sincerely,

Vivian Ligrnetta
Licensing Coordinator

[tilebreaker]

I used to work at a pharmacy in CVS and one day the pharmacists gave a woman the wrong dosage of formula for her baby, apparantly it was enough to kill the baby ten times over...luckily before adminstering the formula to the baby the mother noticed that the dosage seemed like alot and instead of being a mindless zombie and thinking "well he has a degree it must be ok" she called other pharmacies and saved her babies life. No one is infallible! Others who do not triangulate their sources will not be as lucky.


Whatever I'm done this thread isn't about science or the health of bb's members it's about being right or wrong.



why would you say that? now you have a vested interest in proving he is a fraud, liar, and scammer instead of a vested interest in truth as you should.

anyways let the witch hunt continue...

It's funny...I did say I agreed with some of what you wrote, and I don't think anything I said suggested I or anyone else (MDs or PhDs, people with degrees, whatever) are infallible. In general, as a research scientist, I have a healthy skepticism of most MDs out there...they aren't really taught critical thinking and in their defense, they have so much to remember just to be able to treat patients, that they have to pretty much know the standards of care and apply them without too much thought. However, they do have expertise and experience that you don't get from reading books and web pages.

I'm sorry but even if you're Doogie Howser, MD, at 19 you don't have enough experience in anything but trying to get into Wanda's pants to purport to know science, drugs, health care, etc.

[DRP7]

Due to Mr. poppy cock complaining about my other screen cap, I will just show the details of the message, and not the phone numbers and other personal info. So I ask, how did he attend 2 universities at the same time ??? Hmmm Ya he claimed this :


Albany Medical College, New York 1987-1989
St George's University School of Medicine


And here is what SGU said :


Hello Kathy,

Here is the information for:

Lee M. Crost

Matriculated on: 1/3/1983
Student Withdrew: 2/22/1988

Sincerely,

Vivian Ligrnetta
Licensing Coordinator

who/what is SGU? (sorry if this is obvious, but I am from overseas...)

[tilebreaker]

Here is the information for:

Lee M. Crost

Matriculated on: 1/3/1983
Student Withdrew: 2/22/1988

Sincerely,

Vivian Ligrnetta
Licensing Coordinator

sketchy

[fitnfirm]

who/what is SGU? (sorry if this is obvious, but I am from overseas...)

St George's University School of Medicine

[tilebreaker]

who/what is SGU? (sorry if this is obvious, but I am from overseas...)

St George's University School of Medicine...one of those infamous Caribbean medical schools, apparently...

Wasn't there a TV show about one of these in the 80's or something?

[DRP7]

St George's University School of Medicine


thank you, kathy!


it is more than puzzling that he was over one year immatriculated simultaneously in two medical schools. Is this possible in USA? can you study medicine simultaneously at two different uiniversities?

where i live, you need to stop being student in one university when you change to another university.

[DRP7]

St George's University School of Medicine


thank you, kathy!


it is more than puzzling that he was over one year immatriculated simultaneously in two medical schools. Is this possible in USA? can you study medicine simultaneously at two different uiniversities?

[Stonecoldtruth]

Due to Mr. poppy cock complaining about my other screen cap, I will just show the details of the message, and not the phone numbers and other personal info. So I ask, how did he attend 2 universities at the same time ??? Hmmm Ya he claimed this :


Albany Medical College, New York 1987-1989
St George's University School of Medicine


And here is what SGU said :


Hello Kathy,

Here is the information for:

Lee M. Crost

Matriculated on: 1/3/1983
Student Withdrew: 2/22/1988

Sincerely,

Vivian Ligrnetta
Licensing Coordinator

So he registered and withdrew 5 years later without achieving a diploma? And at the same time attended 2 unis? Intereesstttting.

[fitnfirm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George's_University

[fitnfirm]

thank you, kathy!


it is more than puzzling that he was over one year immatriculated simultaneously in two medical schools. Is this possible in USA? can you study medicine simultaneously at two different uiniversities?

I think you have to be a magician with a private jet :D The link I posted explains that he would of been in Grenada, going to NY at the same time would mean he is either the REAL superman or is a LIAR :D

[DRP7]

So he registered and withdrew 5 years later without achieving a diploma? Intereesstttting.


but according to the info above, he studied from 1987 at the other university. so, couldn'T he just have changed universities and finished his MD at the other medical school?

could someone call this other university and ask whether they can confirm he had done his MD there?

[Stonecoldtruth]

but according to the info above, he studied from 1987 at the other university. so, couldn'T he just have changed universities and finished his MD at the other medical school?

could someone call this other university and ask whether they can confirm he had done his MD there?

Calling in just a few :D Laying baby down for rest first.

[DRP7]

I think you have to be a magician with a private jet :D The link I posted explains that he would of been in Grenada, going to NY at the same time would mean he is either the REAL superman or is a LIAR :D


well, you can be officially at one university but not attend to lectures. my point is whether it is possible in USA to be registered at two different medical schools or not. to my knowledge, this is not possible where i live.

[DRP7]

Calling in just a few :D Laying baby down for rest first.


good man! repped.

[fitnfirm]

but according to the info above, he studied from 1987 at the other university. so, couldn'T he just have changed universities and finished his MD at the other medical school?

could someone call this other university and ask whether they can confirm he had done his MD there?

Im still waiting to hear back from them.

[DRP7]

Im still waiting to hear back from them.

awesome!! let us know what they say.

[GeneGnomeX]

I think you have to be a magician with a private jet :D The link I posted explains that he would of been in Grenada, going to NY at the same time would mean he is either the REAL superman or is a LIAR :D

I do not know how schools consider enrollment terms but perhaps withdrawal wasn't processed until February '88 (though he was already gone) and Albany considers the first semester of '88 part of the 1987 school year. Have you emailed Albany? EDIT: I see you or someone else are already doing this.

So he withdrew from one school and transfered to another to finish his degree.

[fitnfirm]

He is not licensed for ANYTHING in the state of NY. I used this database and searched his name for every single profession.


http://www.op.nysed.gov/opsearches.htm

[Stonecoldtruth]

Left a message for the registrar at Albany Medical College, will update when I hear back.

[fitnfirm]

Typically MD's list their credentials in this format :


Medical School: Chicago Medical School, IL - 1993
Residency: University of Texas Affiliated Hospitals, TX
Practicing Since: 1996
Board Cert: Internal Medicine





Typically it shows the year of graduation from medical school, then the residency for 3 years as above.

[Xc]

He is not licensed for ANYTHING in the state of NY. I used this database and searched his name for every single profession.


http://www.op.nysed.gov/opsearches.htm

I remember that I heard of a writer who went through med school soley to get the two letters behind his name to gain creditability. I believe he went to one of the handfull of schools who did not require the USLME's to be passed to graduate.

Is this a possibility? He would not be registered physician since he did not complete the USLMEs/residency/etc but still have the MD behind his name because he graduated from medical school.

[fitnfirm]

I remember that I heard of a writer who went through med school soley to get the two letters behind his name to gain creditability. I believe he went to one of the handfull of schools who did not require the USLME's to be passed to graduate.

Is this a possibility? He would not be registered physician since he did not complete the USLMEs/residency/etc but still have the MD behind his name because he graduated from medical school.

he didnt graduate.

[fitnfirm]

Our records do not reflect a record for a licensee by this name - Lee M Crost.

You would need to contact Albany Medical College directly for information on his enrollment and/or education.






New York State Education Department
Office of the Professions

[Bane]

Our records do not reflect a record for a licensee by this name - Lee M Crost.

You would need to contact Albany Medical College directly for information on his enrollment and/or education.






New York State Education Department
Office of the Professions

Your efforts so far have won you one E-bol v2 with real turkesterone inside

[fitnfirm]

Your efforts so far have won you one E-bol v2 with real turkesterone inside

You promised me a big screen tv :mad:

[Stonecoldtruth]

UPDATE:

I just spoke with Barb in the registrar's office in Albany.. There was a Lee Crost who graduated from Albany Medical College on May 5th, 1989. That was the extent of the information I was able to obtain.

SCT

[Bane]

You promised me a big screen tv :mad:

I lied!

[fitnfirm]

UPDATE:

I just spoke with Barb in the registrar's office in Albany.. There was a Lee Crost who graduated from Albany Medical College on May 5th, 1989. That was the extent of the information I was able to obtain.

SCT

obviously no residency ever occured and no license.

[Xc]

obviously no residency ever occured and no license.


I remember that I heard of a writer who went through med school soley to get the two letters behind his name to gain creditability. I believe he went to one of the handfull of schools who did not require the USLME's to be passed to graduate.

Is this a possibility? He would not be registered physician since he did not complete the USLMEs/residency/etc but still have the MD behind his name because he graduated from medical school.

Possible now? :D

[Stonecoldtruth]

Possible now? :D

Based on the facts we have at present it seems like a distinct possibility

[fitnfirm]

Possible now? :D

he is not licensed to give medical advice.

[fitnfirm]

Many changes have occurred in postgraduate medical training in the last fifty years:

Nearly all doctors now serve a residency after graduation from medical school. In many states, full licensure for unrestricted practice is not available until graduation from a residency program. Residency is now considered desirable preparation for primary care (what used to be called "general practice").

[Xc]

he is not licensed to give medical advice.

Correct.


So is he giving out medical advice or is steve giving out medical advice under the cloak of his MD friend?

I have seen Steve give out medical advice on these forums, however I do not browse the other forums where Mr. Crost might be giving advice.

[Elliptical Envy]

This thread has really blown up.....wowzers

[fitnfirm]

Correct.


So is he giving out medical advice or is steve giving out medical advice under the cloak of his MD friend?

I have seen Steve give out medical advice on these forums, however I do not browse the other forums where Mr. Crost might be giving advice.



Its hogwash thats what it is. I know that someone has contacted 3 government agencies with all the information we have seen with the posts where medical advice is given by both. I smell an investigation coming soon :cool:

[BalloonKnot]

deff true. but hmm. i duno. I may run the products low dosed.

I have been taking their PEA now for over a year with great results.

[DRP7]

Its hogwash thats what it is. I know that someone has contacted 3 government agencies with all the information we have seen with the posts where medical advice is given by both. I smell an investigation coming soon :cool:

had he only followed my advice to stop prompting people left and right to take hallucinogens and marijuana....

[fitnfirm]

I just received an email from Barb, the same woman Josh spoke with :



Dr. Lee Crost graduated from Albany Medical College with his M.D. on May
25, 1989.
If you need additional information, please fax us your request for a
"certification letter". Thank you.

FAX 518-262-1133


other personal data was removed before posting.

[Stonecoldtruth]

I just received an email from Barb, the same woman Josh spoke with :



Dr. Lee Crost graduated from Albany Medical College with his M.D. on May
25, 1989.
If you need additional information, please fax us your request for a
"certification letter". Thank you.

FAX 518-262-1133


other personal data was removed before posting.

We make a good team you and I :D

[fitnfirm]

We make a good team you and I :D

Im married stop flirting :o









Oh heck go ahead :D

[Stonecoldtruth]

Im married stop flirting :o
Oh heck go ahead :D

How YOU doin?

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2003/emmys/interactive/gallery.nominees/comedy.actor/leblanc.nbc.jpg

Speaking of which, Joey Tribbiani played a doctor on the TV show Friends.. maybe he could work for UN/CN. :D

[MBSowards]

Speaking of which, Joey Tribbiani played a doctor on the TV show Friends.. maybe he could work for UN/CN. :D

I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and I am qualified. :eek: :D

[fitnfirm]

How YOU doin?

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2003/emmys/interactive/gallery.nominees/comedy.actor/leblanc.nbc.jpg

Speaking of which, Joey Tribbiani played a doctor on the TV show Friends.. maybe he could work for UN/CN. :D

Funny today on Dr. Phil it was about a guy who mislead others about being a Doctor :D

[~~Aries~~]

It is of my professional (not) medical (not) opinion that sexual intercourse on a daily basis is not only healthy for the heart (cardiovascular system & emotional ties), but is also adept at keeping mental diseases at bay. With that said I prescribe everyone daily sex. It is imperative that you follow doctor's orders and follow said script to a T. If you find that sex on a daily basis is either too high a dose or cannot afford that dose it is possible to cut back to either every other day or to alternate between sex and oral intercourse. Please contact your medical provider before abruptly abstaining from sex as this could lead to drastic side effects including but not limited to anxiety, increased aggression, fatigue, depression, blue-balls, bitchiness, weight gain due to increased ice cream/chocolate consumption, neediness, ect. These sides can vary from person to person and from male to female. If you experience any of the more severe sides call your healthcare provider as soon as possible: random hookups, prostitution, one-night stands, Facebook hookups, cybersex, banging a fatty out of deperation, ect.

Thank you,

Aries, MD

[Stonecoldtruth]

It is of my professional (not) medical (not) opinion that sexual intercourse on a daily basis is not only healthy for the heart (cardiovascular system & emotional ties), but is also adept at keeping mental diseases at bay. With that said I prescribe everyone daily sex. It is imperative that you follow doctor's orders and follow said script to a T. If you find that sex on a daily basis is either too high a dose or cannot afford that dose it is possible to cut back to either every other day or to alternate between sex and oral intercourse. Please contact your medical provider before abruptly abstaining from sex as this could lead to drastic side effects including but not limited to anxiety, increased aggression, fatigue, depression, blue-balls, bitchiness, weight gain due to increased ice cream/chocolate consumption, neediness, ect. These sides can vary from person to person and from male to female. If you experience any of the more severe sides call your healthcare provider as soon as possible: random hookups, prostitution, one-night stands, Facebook hookups, cybersex, banging a fatty out of deperation, ect.

Thank you,

Aries, MD

So... you on Facebook... :D

[canuhandleit]

It is of my professional (not) medical (not) opinion that sexual intercourse on a daily basis is not only healthy for the heart (cardiovascular system & emotional ties), but is also adept at keeping mental diseases at bay. With that said I prescribe everyone daily sex. It is imperative that you follow doctor's orders and follow said script to a T. If you find that sex on a daily basis is either too high a dose or cannot afford that dose it is possible to cut back to either every other day or to alternate between sex and oral intercourse. Please contact your medical provider before abruptly abstaining from sex as this could lead to drastic side effects including but not limited to anxiety, increased aggression, fatigue, depression, blue-balls, bitchiness, weight gain due to increased ice cream/chocolate consumption, neediness, ect. These sides can vary from person to person and from male to female. If you experience any of the more severe sides call your healthcare provider as soon as possible: random hookups, prostitution, one-night stands, Facebook hookups, cybersex, banging a fatty out of deperation, ect.

Thank you,

Aries, MD


brb cybersex

[GeneGnomeX]

It is of my professional (not) medical (not) opinion that sexual intercourse on a daily basis is not only healthy for the heart (cardiovascular system & emotional ties), but is also adept at keeping mental diseases at bay. With that said I prescribe everyone daily sex. It is imperative that you follow doctor's orders and follow said script to a T. If you find that sex on a daily basis is either too high a dose or cannot afford that dose it is possible to cut back to either every other day or to alternate between sex and oral intercourse. Please contact your medical provider before abruptly abstaining from sex as this could lead to drastic side effects including but not limited to anxiety, increased aggression, fatigue, depression, blue-balls, bitchiness, weight gain due to increased ice cream/chocolate consumption, neediness, ect. These sides can vary from person to person and from male to female. If you experience any of the more severe sides call your healthcare provider as soon as possible: random hookups, prostitution, one-night stands, Facebook hookups, cybersex, banging a fatty out of deperation, ect.

Thank you,

Aries, MD

Where can I fulfill my prescription? Does Walgreens have an express lane?

[~~Aries~~]

So... you on Facebook... :D
Yes, but I don't use it. I hate it...lol.

brb cybersex

OMG call your doctor now :D

[FunkOdyssey]

I'm a moderator over at ImmInst, and was alerted to this thread by one of your members. I'm reading with great interest, as you retrace our footsteps and unravel this mystery for yourselves. The ImmInst threads that you've linked to document everything that ImmInst has learned about Unique / Cognitive Nutrition, Steve Sliwa, Edward Younan, and Lee Crost, so there's nothing to add there. However, I'd like to share some personal opinions on the topic.

Our trust was deeply betrayed. Everyone in our community was victimized by this viral marketing scheme, in which the LifeMirage account (posing as a doctor) became a trusted advisor to the ImmInst organization, and then began to promote the nootropics sold by Steve Sliwa and Unique Nutrition. He would dispense medical advice with a gospel-like authority, "prescribing" UN's nootropics for almost every ailment or perceived mental deficiency.

When the details of this scam came to light, and the connections between LifeMirage and Steve / UN became clear, it was unimaginable that Steve would be able to continue to do business on the internet. Who would buy products for human ingestion from someone so morally and ethically bankrupt? And yet, somehow his business endured the revelation of his treachery. A prevailing attitude on other forums that "ethics don't matter, so long as the product is cheap and shipped quickly" kept him afloat. Steve would go on to change the name of his business to Cognitive Nutrition, in an effort to escape this checkered past.

I want to warn some of the good folks conducting this investigation that Steve is prone to sociopathic behavior in retaliation for any criticism of himself or his company. People have had their full names and addresses plastered across the internet, been impersonated, been harassed in every conceivable manner, and in my case, he found out where I work and contacted my employer in a failed attempt to cause trouble for me. Be careful, but do not allow him to intimidate you into silence.

Also, you should be aware that in the past he has changed or deleted incriminating posts whenever he came under scrutiny. It is likely that this will happen again unless some action is taken to prevent it, and it would be wise to preserve evidence for any pending government investigation.

[user27629377]

He would dispense medical advice with a gospel-like authority, "prescribing" UN's nootropics for almost every ailment or perceived mental deficiency.

Unfortunately, much of the same behavior has occurred here.



Also, you should be aware that in the past he has changed or deleted incriminating posts whenever he came under scrutiny. It is likely that this will happen again unless some action is taken to prevent it, and it would be wise to preserve evidence for any pending government investigation.

Luckily, after 24 hours, only moderators are able to delete posts on this forum.

Thank you for taking the time to come over here and post.

[MBSowards]

Unfortunately, much of the same behavior has occurred here.




Luckily, after 24 hours, only moderators are able to delete posts on this forum.

Thank you for taking the time to come over here and post.

Dammit I hate taking **** and then finding out something shady about the company! :mad:

[kappaz]

I'm a moderator over at ImmInst, and was alerted to this thread by one of your members. I'm reading with great interest, as you retrace our footsteps and unravel this mystery for yourselves. The ImmInst threads that you've linked to document everything that ImmInst has learned about Unique / Cognitive Nutrition, Steve Sliwa, Edward Younan, and Lee Crost, so there's nothing to add there. However, I'd like to share some personal opinions on the topic.

Our trust was deeply betrayed. Everyone in our community was victimized by this viral marketing scheme, in which the LifeMirage account (posing as a doctor) became a trusted advisor to the ImmInst organization, and then began to promote the nootropics sold by Steve Sliwa and Unique Nutrition. He would dispense medical advice with a gospel-like authority, "prescribing" UN's nootropics for almost every ailment or perceived mental deficiency.

When the details of this scam came to light, and the connections between LifeMirage and Steve / UN became clear, it was unimaginable that Steve would be able to continue to do business on the internet. Who would buy products for human ingestion from someone so morally and ethically bankrupt? And yet, somehow his business endured the revelation of his treachery. A prevailing attitude on other forums that "ethics don't matter, so long as the product is cheap and shipped quickly" kept him afloat. Steve would go on to change the name of his business to Cognitive Nutrition, in an effort to escape this checkered past.

I want to warn some of the good folks conducting this investigation that Steve is prone to sociopathic behavior in retaliation for any criticism of himself or his company. People have had their full names and addresses plastered across the internet, been impersonated, been harassed in every conceivable manner, and in my case, he found out where I work and contacted my employer in a failed attempt to cause trouble for me. Be careful, but do not allow him to intimidate you into silence.

Also, you should be aware that in the past he has changed or deleted incriminating posts whenever he came under scrutiny. It is likely that this will happen again unless some action is taken to prevent it, and it would be wise to preserve evidence for any pending government investigation.

Thanks for the info.

[DCarruso]

Dammit I hate taking **** and then finding out something shady about the company! :mad:

That is not the first time... :D

[user27629377]

Dammit I hate taking **** and then finding out something shady about the company! :mad:

I agree. It happened to me once with ****, and I promised it would never happen to me again.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

so whats the cliffs? i havent checked it yet today.. it jumped 4 pages today :eek:

[canuhandleit]

so whats the cliffs? i havent checked it yet today.. it jumped 4 pages today :eek:


Lee Crost may have gone to medical school to proclaim himself an MD, but is not a licensed practitioner.

Most importantly, Aries is now giving "professional (not) medical (not) advice". If you have the cyb3r s3x0rz, go to Aries for treatment.

[tilebreaker]

I'm a moderator over at ImmInst, and was alerted to this thread by one of your members. I'm reading with great interest, as you retrace our footsteps and unravel this mystery for yourselves. The ImmInst threads that you've linked to document everything that ImmInst has learned about Unique / Cognitive Nutrition, Steve Sliwa, Edward Younan, and Lee Crost, so there's nothing to add there. However, I'd like to share some personal opinions on the topic.

Our trust was deeply betrayed. Everyone in our community was victimized by this viral marketing scheme, in which the LifeMirage account (posing as a doctor) became a trusted advisor to the ImmInst organization, and then began to promote the nootropics sold by Steve Sliwa and Unique Nutrition. He would dispense medical advice with a gospel-like authority, "prescribing" UN's nootropics for almost every ailment or perceived mental deficiency.

When the details of this scam came to light, and the connections between LifeMirage and Steve / UN became clear, it was unimaginable that Steve would be able to continue to do business on the internet. Who would buy products for human ingestion from someone so morally and ethically bankrupt? And yet, somehow his business endured the revelation of his treachery. A prevailing attitude on other forums that "ethics don't matter, so long as the product is cheap and shipped quickly" kept him afloat. Steve would go on to change the name of his business to Cognitive Nutrition, in an effort to escape this checkered past.

I want to warn some of the good folks conducting this investigation that Steve is prone to sociopathic behavior in retaliation for any criticism of himself or his company. People have had their full names and addresses plastered across the internet, been impersonated, been harassed in every conceivable manner, and in my case, he found out where I work and contacted my employer in a failed attempt to cause trouble for me. Be careful, but do not allow him to intimidate you into silence.

Also, you should be aware that in the past he has changed or deleted incriminating posts whenever he came under scrutiny. It is likely that this will happen again unless some action is taken to prevent it, and it would be wise to preserve evidence for any pending government investigation.

Wow...just...wow...

(who's got the screenshots?)

[NO HYPE]

It is of my professional (not) medical (not) opinion that sexual intercourse on a daily basis is not only healthy for the heart (cardiovascular system & emotional ties), but is also adept at keeping mental diseases at bay. With that said I prescribe everyone daily sex. It is imperative that you follow doctor's orders and follow said script to a T. If you find that sex on a daily basis is either too high a dose or cannot afford that dose it is possible to cut back to either every other day or to alternate between sex and oral intercourse. Please contact your medical provider before abruptly abstaining from sex as this could lead to drastic side effects including but not limited to anxiety, increased aggression, fatigue, depression, blue-balls, bitchiness, weight gain due to increased ice cream/chocolate consumption, neediness, ect. These sides can vary from person to person and from male to female. If you experience any of the more severe sides call your healthcare provider as soon as possible: random hookups, prostitution, one-night stands, Facebook hookups, cybersex, banging a fatty out of deperation, ect.

Thank you,

Aries, MD

Aries = Delicious

[Free Weight Friedel]

Dammit I hate taking **** and then finding out something shady about the company! :mad:

I'm throwing my UN Supplements in the trash. (serious)

[canuhandleit]

Meh... I was still going to buy their PEA/L-Hypurzine A. I think the product is still pretty solid.

[NO HYPE]

Our trust was deeply betrayed.

How did you find out?

[TheStiffmeister]

so where is that cognitive nutrition guy that keeps posting amphetamine related posts on these forums?

[lalala-elf]

To be fair, even if this issue is true and Steve knowingly faked having an actual doctor adviser, this does not impact the supplements themselves. If the supplements are what they're labeled as, and are of an acceptable purity, these compounds still have acceptable uses which one can research on their own.

All that this would impact would be taking advise from Steve under the assumption that it's coming from a medical practitioner. I agree completely that if it isn't then he shouldn't claim so, and should change his signature. However, the products he offers are of interest to me, are well priced, and I always prefer to do my own independent research on compounds anyways. As such, I'll still continue purchasing from UN either way. I understand people wanting to boycott immoral vendors (such as Syntrax, whom I will never buy a product from myself), however this issue really doesn't concern me in the least. I understand being upset over intentional misinformation, but sometimes I think people fight more for the drama here than for concrete practical and personally applicable reasons, but carry on :)

[NO HYPE]

On a separate but related note, I think the drug threads need to stop and be removed as well.

I absolutely agree (despite the fact that I attempted to contribute some insight in a couple of them).




I actually think that they could provide a lot of insight and value if discussed in a purely factual manner.

That's what I was aiming for however, the [lack of maturity] nullifies any quality discussion whatsoever.

[user27629377]

To be fair, even if this issue is true and Steve knowingly faked having an actual doctor adviser, this does not impact the supplements themselves. If the supplements are what they're labeled as, and are of an acceptable purity, these compounds still have acceptable uses which one can research on their own.

All that this would impact would be taking advise from Steve under the assumption that it's coming from a medical practitioner. I agree completely that if it isn't then he shouldn't claim so, and should change his signature. However, the products he offers are of interest to me, are well priced, and I always prefer to do my own independent research on compounds anyways. As such, I'll still continue purchasing from UN either way. I understand people wanting to boycott immoral vendors (such as Syntrax, whom I will never buy a product from myself), however this issue really doesn't concern me in the least. I understand being upset over intentional misinformation, but sometimes I think people fight more for the drama here than for concrete practical and personally applicable reasons, but carry on :)

As P said earlier, if you are going to lie about something, which in the grand scheme of things is so trivial (people will buy supplements without "doctor approval) it really makes you question all other aspects of that individuals business dealings.

[java568]

I'm supposed to log Pyritinol for him. I think I saw P bump the thread that listed the adverse side effects of this drug, but they didn't really seem out of the norm in my opinion. Regardless of this issue, do we have any reason to believe that his supplement ingredients are comprised? He's always been extremely helpful to me. I hope this can get cleared up, but I'm not going to blindly follow him just because he's a "good bro". I do however feel that if someone sends me free supplements, I should be obligated to log them (as required, regardless of situations that arise later). Is there any reason, most important of which would be health issues, that I should not do this? Thanks.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

yeah im just over paranoid about these things... he is a cool guy and he is SUPER generous with his logs. PEA is the best, just wondering how safe it is at 1g?

[TheStiffmeister]

To be fair, even if this issue is true and Steve knowingly faked having an actual doctor adviser, this does not impact the supplements themselves. If the supplements are what they're labeled as, and are of an acceptable purity, these compounds still have acceptable uses which one can research on their own.

All that this would impact would be taking advise from Steve under the assumption that it's coming from a medical practitioner. I agree completely that if it isn't then he shouldn't claim so, and should change his signature. However, the products he offers are of interest to me, are well priced, and I always prefer to do my own independent research on compounds anyways. As such, I'll still continue purchasing from UN either way. I understand people wanting to boycott immoral vendors (such as Syntrax, whom I will never buy a product from myself), however this issue really doesn't concern me in the least. I understand being upset over intentional misinformation, but sometimes I think people fight more for the drama here than for concrete practical and personally applicable reasons, but carry on :)


are you out of your mind. it is blatant deception. i have always said YIKES to almost all of his posts. they would produce studies on amphetamines and other illicit compounds like date rape drugs. he would then be pushing stuff that I could not see of any beneficial effect without possible big health risks down the line. if it turns out that there is no actual physician tied to this, then people are being duped into thinking that the products must be good and safe b/c a physician would never mislead you.

it is bad for the supplement industry

it makes physicians and other medical practitioners look bad

it puts the safety of others in jeopardy.

[neuron]

I hope this can get cleared up,

Are you serious? lol. How much evidence would it take before you realized it is beyond "clearing up?"

[java568]

Are you serious? lol. How much evidence would it take before you realized it is beyond "clearing up?"

Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but I didn't mean it had to be cleared up in his favor. I meant more, "I hope the truth comes out in an unquestionable manner soon." I haven't read the whole thread yet, because I was watching Bigger, Faster, Stronger, but I thought that FnF was going to call the two universities/colleges and ask them directly if a Lee Crost had graduated from there.

[neuron]

Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but I didn't mean it had to be cleared up in his favor. I meant more, "I hope the truth comes out in an unquestionable manner soon." I haven't read the whole thread yet, because I was watching Bigger, Faster, Stronger, but I thought that FnF was going to call the two universities/colleges and ask them directly if a Lee Crost had graduated from there.

Gotcha. Yeah, that was already done. :)

[lalala-elf]

are you out of your mind. it is blatant deception. i have always said YIKES to almost all of his posts. they would produce studies on amphetamines and other illicit compounds like date rape drugs. he would then be pushing stuff that I could not see of any beneficial effect without possible big health risks down the line. if it turns out that there is no actual physician tied to this, then people are being duped into thinking that the products must be good and safe b/c a physician would never mislead you.

it is bad for the supplement industry

it makes physicians and other medical practitioners look bad

it puts the safety of others in jeopardy.


I guess the reason I didn't find it a big deal is because this is the first I've heard of his doctor adviser :/

Never knew he was claiming he had a medical practitioner backing up his advice... always just assumed he was a regular vendor in that regard

[Stonecoldtruth]

Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but I didn't mean it had to be cleared up in his favor. I meant more, "I hope the truth comes out in an unquestionable manner soon." I haven't read the whole thread yet, because I was watching Bigger, Faster, Stronger, but I thought that FnF was going to call the two universities/colleges and ask them directly if a Lee Crost had graduated from there.

Her and I both did... you should read the thread more thoroughly if you want the truth.. don't be lazy.. :D

[fitnfirm]

Her and I both did... you should read the thread more thoroughly if you want the truth.. don't be lazy.. :D

we shall both beat him with a sharp object :D I mean C'mon that movie was more important than reading the thread :confused:

[Stonecoldtruth]

we shall both beat him with a sharp object :D I mean C'mon that movie was more important than reading the thread :confused:

We COULD make cliffs I suppose, but really.. I think to fully appreciate the drama you have to watch it unfold. :D

[fitnfirm]

We COULD make cliffs I suppose, but really.. I think to fully appreciate the drama you have to watch it unfold. :D

cliffs are for lazy people, and I dont like lazy people :D

[deserusan]

Have any of you Avant fellas talked to Par Deus or any of the Mind and Muscle admins about this issue?

[Stonecoldtruth]

Have any of you Avant fellas talked to Par Deus or any of the Mind and Muscle admins about this issue?

Being as I just joined Avant officially today, I have not yet had the time to talk with Par Deus regarding this issue, but this will definately be a topic I bring up at our next pow-wow/meeting.

[java568]

Being as I just joined Avant officially today, I have not yet had the time to talk with Par Deus regarding this issue, but this will definately be a topic I bring up at our next pow-wow/meeting.

I was wondering about that. Congrats!

Oh and btw I'm about to sit down for my post-workout meal and read everything I missed today.


Edit: Okay, finished reading. A beating with sharp objects is no longer needed.

[TheDictionary]

are you out of your mind. it is blatant deception. i have always said YIKES to almost all of his posts. they would produce studies on amphetamines and other illicit compounds like date rape drugs. he would then be pushing stuff that I could not see of any beneficial effect without possible big health risks down the line. if it turns out that there is no actual physician tied to this, then people are being duped into thinking that the products must be good and safe b/c a physician would never mislead you.

it is bad for the supplement industry

it makes physicians and other medical practitioners look bad

it puts the safety of others in jeopardy.

all the nootropics he sells are available from different companies so if your gonna argue health risks then you just invoked GNC, CVS, even grocery stores

[tilebreaker]

Being as I just joined Avant officially today, I have not yet had the time to talk with Par Deus regarding this issue, but this will definately be a topic I bring up at our next pow-wow/meeting.

Congrats on Avant...now ask when HEAT is coming back :D

And yeah, this is kind of an issue for M&M...seems like CN has come to own the Neuroscience section...

[DCarruso]

all the nootropics he sells are available from different companies so if your gonna argue health risks then you just invoked GNC, CVS, even grocery stores


GNC, CVS and groceries stores are not pimping those products, nor giving out medical advice, nor prescriping those to treat customers' conditions.

Besides, his deception raises doubt about the quality of his products.

[weezyjaunt]

Being as I just joined Avant officially today, I have not yet had the time to talk with Par Deus regarding this issue, but this will definately be a topic I bring up at our next pow-wow/meeting.

big congrats on going to avant, great company.

[BalloonKnot]

yeah im just over paranoid about these things... he is a cool guy and he is SUPER generous with his logs. PEA is the best, just wondering how safe it is at 1g?

I take a least 1 gram per servicing every night I need to study.

PEA is great! I stack it with 2 to 3 grams of cocamine.

*I am not a doctor and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn.

[BalloonKnot]

I'm throwing my UN Supplements in the trash. (serious)

I will pay for shipping if you send them to me...

[Xc]

I will pay for shipping if you send them to me...

I think you are missing the point.....

[Bane]

big congrats on going to avant, great company.

Indeed. If I was not with TL I'd be with Avant

[Bane]

I'm a moderator over at ImmInst, and was alerted to this thread by one of your members. I'm reading with great interest, as you retrace our footsteps and unravel this mystery for yourselves. The ImmInst threads that you've linked to document everything that ImmInst has learned about Unique / Cognitive Nutrition, Steve Sliwa, Edward Younan, and Lee Crost, so there's nothing to add there. However, I'd like to share some personal opinions on the topic.

Our trust was deeply betrayed. Everyone in our community was victimized by this viral marketing scheme, in which the LifeMirage account (posing as a doctor) became a trusted advisor to the ImmInst organization, and then began to promote the nootropics sold by Steve Sliwa and Unique Nutrition. He would dispense medical advice with a gospel-like authority, "prescribing" UN's nootropics for almost every ailment or perceived mental deficiency.

When the details of this scam came to light, and the connections between LifeMirage and Steve / UN became clear, it was unimaginable that Steve would be able to continue to do business on the internet. Who would buy products for human ingestion from someone so morally and ethically bankrupt? And yet, somehow his business endured the revelation of his treachery. A prevailing attitude on other forums that "ethics don't matter, so long as the product is cheap and shipped quickly" kept him afloat. Steve would go on to change the name of his business to Cognitive Nutrition, in an effort to escape this checkered past.

I want to warn some of the good folks conducting this investigation that Steve is prone to sociopathic behavior in retaliation for any criticism of himself or his company. People have had their full names and addresses plastered across the internet, been impersonated, been harassed in every conceivable manner, and in my case, he found out where I work and contacted my employer in a failed attempt to cause trouble for me. Be careful, but do not allow him to intimidate you into silence.

Also, you should be aware that in the past he has changed or deleted incriminating posts whenever he came under scrutiny. It is likely that this will happen again unless some action is taken to prevent it, and it would be wise to preserve evidence for any pending government investigation.

Just wow...
strong bump here

[fitnfirm]

Just wow...
strong bump here

WOW, strong NO BIG SCREEN TV STILL :mad:

[MBSowards]

I will pay for shipping if you send them to me...

I lol'd.

[Stonecoldtruth]

Indeed. If I was not with TL I'd be with Avant

Thanks for the compliment.. I'm sure you'd be welcomed too :D

[deserusan]

Have any of you Avant guys discussed this with Par Deus or the admins at Mind And Muscle? This is really disturbing.

[little lats]

Have any of you Avant guys discussed this with Par Deus or the admins at Mind And Muscle? This is really disturbing.

Him being a rep? or this thread?

[deserusan]

Him being a rep? or this thread?

He's a board sponsor and uses the same "credentials." They try to keep things on the up and up over there because of liability.

[Stonecoldtruth]

He's a board sponsor and uses the same "credentials." They try to keep things on the up and up over there because of liability.

My main involvement in this thread was prior to joining the Avant team, but this will be a topic of discussion in the near future. I assure you that the entire 'Lee Crost' thing will be looked into.

[fitnfirm]

My main involvement in this thread was prior to joining the Avant team, but this will be a topic of discussion in the near future. I assure you that the entire 'Lee Crost' thing will be looked into.

WTF you waiting for CHOP CHOP :D Dont MAKE me go tell on you :eek:

[fitnfirm]

Done :D

[riseboi]

He's a board sponsor and uses the same "credentials." They try to keep things on the up and up over there because of liability.

I believe his past has been brought up over at M&M before and I don't think anything ever came up of it, other than deleted posts and threads. I don't recall the subject but it was Dopamine who was bringing up particular issues wrt to UN.

[deserusan]

I believe his past has been brought up over at M&M before and I don't think anything ever came up of it, other than deleted posts and threads. I don't recall the subject but it was Dopamine who was bringing up particular issues wrt to UN.

Yeah...but it appears a bit more info has been brought out since then. Are you making any more trips up to NYC?

[riseboi]

Yeah...but it appears a bit more info has been brought out since then. Are you making any more trips up to NYC?

Possibly, in the next couple weeks. Haven't decided for sure yet. You live there now, right?

[deserusan]

Possibly, in the next couple weeks. Haven't decided for sure yet. You live there now, right?

Yup. Let me know if you do. We can hang out with the Creator of Deceit. :D

[ElMariachi]

WOW, strong NO BIG SCREEN TV STILL :mad:




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[riseboi]

Yup. Let me know if you do. We can hang out with the Creator of Deceit. :D

lol, will do! :D

[Bane]

WOW, strong NO BIG SCREEN TV STILL :mad:

Shish...
just go to Ron and tell him to give you my TV. It never worked anyways

[dtrain13]

Well after reading all 15 pages of epicness I have concluded one thing. That is, that I need to join face book and find Aries. :D

[~~Aries~~]

Well after reading all 15 pages of epicness I have concluded one thing. That is, that I need to join face book and find Aries. :D

LOL! :D

[Stonecoldtruth]

Yup. Let me know if you do. We can hang out with the Creator of Deceit. :D

So, I gotta ask, do you miss Madison at all yet Dan? What do you think about the entire Favre debacle? :D </hijack>

[DRP7]

Well after reading all 15 pages of epicness I have concluded one thing. That is, that I need to join face book and find Aries. :D


and what would that nice lady in your avatar say? :eek:

[dtrain13]

and what would that nice lady in your avatar say? :eek:

No comment. :D

[dopamine]

I believe his past has been brought up over at M&M before and I don't think anything ever came up of it, other than deleted posts and threads. I don't recall the subject but it was Dopamine who was bringing up particular issues wrt to UN.

This is, in most part, why I was banned from the M&M forums. The administration there set up censorship guidelines in which I was not allowed to: post in Steve's threads, address Steve in any way, or participate in discussion within logs of CN/UN products - the punishment being permanent ban. I did follow these rules, but was banned anyway.

I applaud triathlete04 for starting this thread and generating discussion on an important issue. I've read pretty much the whole thread, and there are some points I think are worth noting -

1.) UN/CN is NOT a big company. They have 4 employees according to the BBB.

2.) Quality of UN/CN products should not be assumed, given the above and the fact that Steve has refused repeatedly in the past to show CoA's (Certificates of Analysis) for his products (despite many public requests by customers), which he claims are tested by third-party labs.

3.) The advice given by Steve on various forums, especially WRT drug combinations, are lent an undue amount of credibility. The use of "his MD's" experience in prescribing drugs and treating patients as a basis for medical advice (example: "our MD hasn't seen any problems with X and he's treated Y number of patients with it") is fraudulent at best and life-threatening at worst.

As others have said, if he lies about this issue, he probably doesn't have many qualms about lying WRT other issues, such as quality control of products. When taking a particular brand supplement, one should have some trust in the company name; with UN/CN, however, I can't see how one could retain such trust given the issues described here and elsewhere.

[deserusan]

So, I gotta ask, do you miss Madison at all yet Dan? What do you think about the entire Favre debacle? :D </hijack>

In all seriousness, not really. NYC is a whole new world and Bruce/Gaspari keep me VERY busy. The one drawback here is that the food is amazing and with all ethnic restaurants in the area it's very tempting to cheat while dieting. However, since I'm eating a lot of fish, you can't beat the prices, selection, or quality out here. l'd say this is the first time in my life where I actually get a sense of satisfaction from my job.

[Stonecoldtruth]

In all seriousness, not really. NYC is a whole new world and Bruce/Gaspari keep me VERY busy. The one drawback here is that the food is amazing and with all ethnic restaurants in the area it's very tempting to cheat while dieting. However, since I'm eating a lot of fish, you can't beat the prices, selection, or quality out here. l'd say this is the first time in my life where I actually get a sense of satisfaction from my job.

I can see what you mean, but I'm sure there are a lot more of the fresh food markets in the area that might enhance the depth of your fresh fruits and veggies intake, right? I know that I would kill for a fresh foods and veggies market.

Glad to hear things are going well for you Dan, you deserve it.

[tilebreaker]

This is, in most part, why I was banned from the M&M forums. The administration there set up censorship guidelines in which I was not allowed to: post in Steve's threads, address Steve in any way, or participate in discussion within logs of CN/UN products - the punishment being permanent ban. I did follow these rules, but was banned anyway.

I applaud triathlete04 for starting this thread and generating discussion on an important issue. I've read pretty much the whole thread, and there are some points I think are worth noting -

1.) UN/CN is NOT a big company. They have 4 employees according to the BBB.

2.) Quality of UN/CN products should not be assumed, given the above and the fact that Steve has refused repeatedly in the past to show CoA's (Certificates of Analysis) for his products (despite many public requests by customers), which he claims are tested by third-party labs.

3.) The advice given by Steve on various forums, especially WRT drug combinations, are lent an undue amount of credibility. The use of "his MD's" experience in prescribing drugs and treating patients as a basis for medical advice (example: "our MD hasn't seen any problems with X and he's treated Y number of patients with it") is fraudulent at best and life-threatening at worst.

As others have said, if he lies about this issue, he probably doesn't have many qualms about lying WRT other issues, such as quality control of products. When taking a particular brand supplement, one should have some trust in the company name; with UN/CN, however, I can't see how one could retain such trust given the issues described here and elsewhere.

Sh^t! I didn't see that you had gotten banned. That sucks because you're posts were clearly some of the most informed over there, at least as far as trying to keep the discussions on a scientific track. I'm sorry to hear this news, and it definitely makes me worry about that section of M&M.

[canuhandleit]

So, what's giong to be the outcome of all of this?

[MBSowards]

So, what's giong to be the outcome of all of this?

Just saw he's still posting. I seriously hope SOMETHING happens. :eek: :(

[MBSowards]

Oh **** lulz, I just remember why I stopped my L-Dopa/PEA log...

I wasn't running them solo so I am not blaming the products for sure, but I was breaking out into hives/red spots all over my arms. Stopped once I quit using the products as well.

:eek:

[MBSowards]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5503/operationii6.jpg

[Forum]

Just wondering, why is this thread still confined to the supplement misc section? Should you guys bring it to the main supplement section so that more ppl can find out?

[Outside backer]

can i get cliffs. work > me

but im returning to the US this week :D

[_J-BONE_]

Well I started Monday, went on a business trip and finished today but I read all 15 pages and it has completely changed my view on UN/CN.

Though I don't consider CN's PEA dangerous because of what was done, I find his mentality and operating behavior dangerous. Offering medical advice without the qualifications is extremely dangerous and a HUGE legal liability. Hope he's insured, but if an insurance company found out he was giving out unqualified advice they would drop him in a heartbeat.

[BalloonKnot]

I think you are missing the point.....

I am nihilistic about the medical profession as a whole. I have more faith in my ability to research than my doctor does let alone Steve.

I have known about Steve for years and I have not had any problems with his products to date.

[BalloonKnot]

In all seriousness, not really. NYC is a whole new world and Bruce/Gaspari keep me VERY busy. The one drawback here is that the food is amazing and with all ethnic restaurants in the area it's very tempting to cheat while dieting. However, since I'm eating a lot of fish, you can't beat the prices, selection, or quality out here. l'd say this is the first time in my life where I actually get a sense of satisfaction from my job.

If you think the fresh food is amazing in NYC then you need to live in southern California. CA has the northeast beat hands down.

[deserusan]

If you think the fresh food is amazing in NYC then you need to live in southern California. CA has the northeast beat hands down.

How does CA get fresher fish from the Atlantic Ocean then NY? :D

[Bane]

Just wondering, why is this thread still confined to the supplement misc section? Should you guys bring it to the main supplement section so that more ppl can find out?

Agreed though the original poster must ask this to a mod with PM i think

[canuhandleit]

Meh, I ordered some PEA earlier this week. I like what I feel at lower doses for concentration.

[onlyforbodybuildingdotcom]

Any news on CN's response to what's happening here? He seems to be avoiding it.

[NastyNally]

Any news on CN's response to what's happening here? He seems to be avoiding it.

x2 I'm really interested to see what they have to say. Avoiding the issue makes the OP's accusations appear to be true.

[canuhandleit]

x2 I'm really interested to see what they have to say. Avoiding the issue makes the OP's accusations appear to be true.

Yeah...

[GeneGnomeX]

Here is a different case if you guys want more drama: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=199500001#post199500001

[BalloonKnot]

How does CA get fresher fish from the Atlantic Ocean then NY? :D

What about fruits and vegetables?

I prefer the fish found in the Pacific.

What types of Atlantic ocean fish to you prefer over Pacific ocean fish?

[deserusan]

What about fruits and vegetables?

I prefer the fish found in the Pacific.

What types of Atlantic ocean fish to you prefer over Pacific ocean fish?

I eat broccoli and maybe some spinach. No fruits really. As for fish, I prefer sole, cod, and tuna.

[TE]

So where's Steve?

[volcom07]

I have some left over un/cn products. I am not sure I trust the contents of them anymore. Did everyone throw their $hit out?

[BalloonKnot]

I eat broccoli and maybe some spinach. No fruits really. As for fish, I prefer sole, cod, and tuna.

I am not a fan of sole or cod but tuna is my favorite.

I prefer yellow tail.

I eat broccoli and spinach on a daily basis as well as cauliflower and several salads a day with a base of either spinach, mixed greens, or romaine. The central valley in CA cannot be beat for producing these crops most of the year.

Avocados are amazing in CA. There was a huge avocado tree in the backyard of the fraternity house I lived in while going to college as well as an orange tree and a lemon tree. The avocados were the size of navel oranges.

[BalloonKnot]

I have some left over un/cn products. I am not sure I trust the contents of them anymore. Did everyone throw their $hit out?

Steve is Steve but I have always liked their products.

[Apostle X]

this is sad.

Cant a mod just PM him and demand he post the information?

this has been going on for 16 pages and nothing has come out of it

[jkeithc82]

this is sad.

Cant a mod just PM him and demand he post the information?

this has been going on for 16 pages and nothing has come out of it

I requested this several days ago and then commented in this thread. CN got a bit huffy and I chose to stay out of this from then on out.

[Apostle X]

I requested this several days ago and then commented in this thread. CN got a bit huffy and I chose to stay out of this from then on out.

I dont get why he would get huffy over posting information that should be available to the general public?

[volcom07]

I hope he is not lying about the saftey and lack of side effects with his products. I don't want to wake up one day with breasts. Although some people would.

[BalloonKnot]

I hope he is not lying about the saftey and lack of side effects with his products. I don't want to wake up one day with breasts. Although some people would.

Don't you like my double Ds?

[canuhandleit]

I just received my PEA (second bottle). Saving this bottle for non-abuse... concentration only. I would prefer Cognitive Nutrition posting something rather than ignoring.

[neuron]

I just received my PEA (second bottle). Saving this bottle for non-abuse... concentration only. I would prefer Cognitive Nutrition posting something rather than ignoring.

What's he going to post?

"Whoops, you caught me lying!" ...?

In the best interests of the bb.com community, he should be forced to remove that part of his signature.

It probably won't happen.

$$$ > integrity

[canuhandleit]

If it is all a lie, isn't it considered illegal?

[MrOneEyedBoh]

heyyyy like 3 weeks too short bro lol /\

[Epictetus IV]

Can I get some cliffs? I was just about to buy 3 products from this dude.

[canuhandleit]

Can I get some cliffs? I was just about to buy 3 products from this dude.

Sure.
- The OP ran into a something that pointed towards Lee Crost being a fake MD.
- It's been uncovered that Lee Crost is not actually an MD.

A few users went the extra mile and checked a ton of databases that all MDs are required to register in and called the alleged schools he "graduated" from. Overall, everyone just believes he should remove that from his signature... his products still seem solid though (some don't want to trust though).

[MBSowards]

What's he going to post?

"Whoops, you caught me lying!" ...?

In the best interests of the bb.com community, he should be forced to remove that part of his signature.

It probably won't happen.

$$$ > integrity

LMAO! Repped. :)

[Apostle X]

If it is all a lie, isn't it considered illegal?

nothing is goin to happen, none of the big members here will do anything about it.

[Segansational]

Sure.
- The OP ran into a something that pointed towards Lee Crost being a fake MD.
- It's been uncovered that Lee Crost is not actually an MD.

A few users went the extra mile and checked a ton of databases that all MDs are required to register in and called the alleged schools he "graduated" from. Overall, everyone just believes he should remove that from his signature... his products still seem solid though (some don't want to trust though).

Interesting... too many shady companies out there. How do you know who to trust?

[TheStiffmeister]

nothing is goin to happen, none of the big members here will do anything about it.

well you can always contact the gov about dissemination of false information. if this is indeed true, this is fraud.

[Bane]

How do you know who to trust?

Noone but yourself, your research and your common sense. If you find your self screwed for trusting a "good bro" there is none but you to blaim.

[canuhandleit]

True.

[cerebralhealth]

Douglas J. Phillips II
Director of Research and Development
CerebralHealth.com

Backstory

Carried our products before deciding to make his own products. Hence a competitor who will say anything if it helps his company.



I noticed I was quoted on page 4 of this thread and see Steve's response above.

I will not simply just say anything to help my company (which seems to be more than I can say about my so-called "competitors").

I did carry UN/CN products at one point and I did decide to come out with my own product line.

I asked LM (Lee Crost?) at one point very straight up if he received any financial compensation from UN/CN because I was under that impression based upon his behavior on brainmeta forums. He flat out denied that he received any money from UN/CN despite being listed and constantly referred to as a "medical advisor" for the company. I felt (and still do) that he lied about his affiliation with the company and attempts to conceal his relationship to UN/CN on brainmeta forums and elsewhere in order to sell more products for the company. It does not strike me as just coincidental that Lee Crost "recommends" UN/CN as a supplier of smart drugs on brainmeta and then locks the thread to prevent anyone from tampering with his "expert opinion on suppliers".

As far as his MD goes, it seems that no one has been able to verify it and that there are some indications that he may be just another persona for Steve, and hence, the screen name LifeMirage. I do feel that impersonating and pretending to be an MD when you're not reflects a serious character flaw and compromises any relationships one may have with others in business matters or otherwise.

At this point, I really don't care about this situation any further except when my "competitors" say that "I will just say anything to help my company". I have made my own personal decision not to work with them anymore. What other people decide to do is ultimately up to them.

[deserusan]

All the skeletons are coming out. Will the mods NOW act in the best interest of the membership and edit this guy's signature? This is ****ing ridiculous. If someone was giving out ****ing poison how long would it take for you to act?

[fitnfirm]

Ya for sure, we proved he is not licensed to practice, nor give out medical advice.

[Skigazzi]

I totally missed this thread until now...wowzers.

[neuron]

All the skeletons are coming out. Will the mods NOW act in the best interest of the membership and edit this guy's signature? This is ****ing ridiculous. If someone was giving out ****ing poison how long would it take for you to act?

True story.

DR.P ?

[gdawg0987]

All the skeletons are coming out. Will the mods NOW act in the best interest of the membership and edit this guy's signature? This is ****ing ridiculous. If someone was giving out ****ing poison how long would it take for you to act?

Wow, I haven't been in this section for a while. I'm suprised this is new news on this board honestly...anyway, just felt compelled to say this much...

Your analagy of poison is a poor one. There is no cause to question whether his products are mislabled. The only thing being called into question is his character (which I realize can lead to having no morals and selling bunk products, etc; but I digress). Of course if you have some prior knowledge that his products are bunk, I withdraw my statement and would like the details.

For the record: I could give two ****s about his signature one way or the other and never even noticed it before now. Even if it was an md himself telling me information over the internet I'd still run it through a thorough check just b/c of commonsense. As much as I agree that we shouldn't let people come on here and give out possibly harmful information, it's still the responsibility of the consumer to check his bases as it's his body that will suffer the possible repercussions.

[TheStiffmeister]

bump bc cognitive nutrition just posted in the supp science section!

[kappaz]

bump bc cognitive nutrition just posted in the supp science section!

What's your point?

He's already seen and posted in this thread.

[TheStiffmeister]

What's your point?

He's already seen and posted in this thread.

he did? i didnt see the post.

[kappaz]

he did? i didnt see the post.

Oh, it was somewhere in the beginning. He basically gave his 2 cents and said he wouldn't be involved in this 'garbage' thread.

[TheStiffmeister]

Oh, it was somewhere in the beginning. He basically gave his 2 cents and said he wouldn't be involved in this 'garbage' thread.


wow thats ****ed up!

looks like there was a post about the guy being an md!!!!!

[DRP7]

True story.

DR.P ?


well, Lee Crost apparently has graduated and got his MD (see one of the previous posts by fitnfirm).

now, the argumentation from Cognitivenutrition is, that Lee Crost is an old friend of him and advising only his company. CN he says that he does not give medical advice.

now, i would love to know how exactely the term medical advice is defined.

[Mister_A]

well, Lee Crost apparently has graduated and got his MD (see one of the previous posts by fitnfirm).

now, the argumentation from Cognitivenutrition is, that Lee Crost is an old friend of him and advising only his company. CN he says that he does not give medical advice.

now, i would love to know how exactely the term medical advice is defined.
He has that "drug" experimentation thread.

I guess that's "medical advice".

I thought the guy was cool till I read a bunch of this ****.

[CognitiveNutrition]

He has that "drug" experimentation thread.

I guess that's "medical advice".

I thought the guy was cool till I read a bunch of this ****.

What are you taking about? I list an advisor to my company and his medical degree. The mod's confirmed Lee Crost has an MD. I have never done anything illegal and this was first brought up over 3 years ago several times on this forum and others. People jumping sides without hard facts with insight into the matter thats your choice.

[fitnfirm]

What are you taking about? I list an advisor to my company and his medical degree. The mod's confirmed Lee Crost has an MD. I have never done anything illegal and this was first brought up over 3 years ago several times on this forum and others. People jumping sides without hard facts with insight into the matter thats your choice.

He is not licensed to practice, that is the issue.

[CognitiveNutrition]

He is not licensed to practice, that is the issue.

I'm not going to discuss if or not he is retired or not from the medical field because I respect his personal life. But everyone list their degrees on resumes to articles. It's correct usage regardless if they currently practice their degree or not.

[user27629377]

I'm not going to discuss if or not he is retired or not from the medical field because I respect his personal life. But everyone list their degrees on resumes to articles. It's correct usage regardless if they currently practice their degree or not.

The problem lies within the fact you are using his medical expertise (or lack there of) as authority of the safety and efficacy of your products. I have personally seen you give medical advice about possible drug interactions, and that is just irresponsible.

[v4lu3s]

His retirement or not is not personal life if he is dispensing medical advice without a medical license.

[fitnfirm]

I'm not going to discuss if or not he is retired or not from the medical field because I respect his personal life. But everyone list their degrees on resumes to articles. It's correct usage regardless if they currently practice their degree or not.

you dont have to discuss it we all already know ! Its not hard to get info on a person holding a MD. He is not retired, he never practiced professionally LOL :D

[user647751532old]

cliffs of this thread please. Is Cognitive nutrition still reputable?

[hammercurl]

it just took me 2 hours to read through this thread,i was going to order a few items from cn mainly pea but i couldn't allow myself now particularly when the accused puts in minimal effort to defend himself,if all this thread was bs it would have been easy to clear it up by posting info on said md,the exuse that he wants to keep his private life private is poor.says it all really about the accusations,now where can i get pea shipped to the uk for a good price

[Illadelphia]

cliffs of this thread please. Is Cognitive nutrition still reputable?

He is shady... and a manlet...



it just took me 2 hours to read through this thread,i was going to order a few items from cn mainly pea but i couldn't allow myself now particularly when the accused puts in minimal effort to defend himself,if all this thread was bs it would have been easy to clear it up by posting info on said md,the exuse that he wants to keep his private life private is poor.says it all really about the accusations,now where can i get pea shipped to the uk for a good price

Primaforce

[chasinSKURT]

His retirement or not is not personal life if he is dispensing medical advice without a medical license.

I guess I don't see why it matters...

[hammercurl]

He is shady... and a manlet...




Primaforce

primaforce! cool thanks,i like primaforce have used their products before but have never come across their pea is it under a particular name?

[CognitiveNutrition]

it just took me 2 hours to read through this thread,i was going to order a few items from cn mainly pea but i couldn't allow myself now particularly when the accused puts in minimal effort to defend himself,if all this thread was bs it would have been easy to clear it up by posting info on said md,the exuse that he wants to keep his private life private is poor.says it all really about the accusations,now where can i get pea shipped to the uk for a good price

I have no need to defend a person that has never worked for my company. Especially from a thread posted over 5 years ago. He has a MD and that is a fact. Still has Nothing to do with how I run my business or the quality of my products but to each his own.

[JAGCPT]

I've read through this entire post, and my opinion is in the middle. There was nothing illegal with CN indicating that they got advice from "Lee Crost, MD," given that Lee Crost apparently did graduate from medical school and has an M.D. The extent of the advice given by Dr. Crost and whether it was legal for him to give that advice given his lack of a medical license, is another matter. That being said, I do think that it's slightly disingenuous to cite as a source a person who graduated medical school but never practiced medicine. It may technically be true that Lee Crost has an M.D., but he did not complete the other requirements to give medical advice. So in the end, I believe that CN did not technically lie, but they were deceptive. Of course, this is probably true of many supplement companies to one degree or another. I do find it disturbing that CN chose not to clarify this matter as soon as this thread was posted. All they had to do is say up front that Lee Crost graduated from medical school at Albany but is not licensed to practice medicine. Refusing to admit this simple fact until others dug up the truth is some acknowledgement of guilt. Does this mean that I won't try CN products? No. But I will be more cautious in accepting their assertions.