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LiftTilDeath
06-16-2008, 08:15 PM
Can someone tell me how WWE thinks that having 2 upper midcarders lay Cena/HHH out two weeks in a row make me want to buy NOC and see the "rematch we've all been waiting for???" I just don't get WWE sometimes. It was a solid Raw otherwise. Would you have seen Piper & Orndoff lay out Andre & Hogan before WM3. Or Rick Rude & Mr.Perfect take out Warrior & Hogan before WM6? I don't get it. Shouldn't you build the two competitors in your main even as strong as you can and not make them look like punks by people on the card below them. I'm all for pushing younger/newer talent, but not after you've booked your money match for the next PPV
Mister F
06-16-2008, 08:23 PM
I'm guessing the reasoning is that Cena and HHH beat up Cade and Jericho at first, and Cade and Jericho only got the upper hand when they attacked from behind, so it is perceived that HHH and Cena are stronger, but Cade and Jericho also get heat and are elevated because their cheating (or rather their cowardly attack from behind) gained them the upper hand.
It makes all four look strong (well, not so much strong in Jericho and Cade's case, but it gets them hated, which is just as good), and gets Jericho and Cade some boos too.
LiftTilDeath
06-16-2008, 08:58 PM
I see where you're coming from, but I think the primary build should be with Cena/HHH and noone else because that is the money match. They've been building it strong every Raw minus the last 2 minutes each week
Im also referring to Hardy laying them out last week
Mister F
06-16-2008, 09:31 PM
I see where you're coming from, but I think the primary build should be with Cena/HHH and noone else because that is the money match. They've been building it strong every Raw minus the last 2 minutes each week
Im also referring to Hardy laying them out last week
I see where you're coming from too. In the end, though, it's simply a difference of opinion between you and the folks over at WWE. Neither of you are really wrong.
Don't forget, though, that involving Cade, Jericho, and Jeff Hardy in the main events of Raw garners a lot of interest towards their matches at Night of Champions. They seem more important since they are part of the main events, which could make more matches at the PPV seem important, which will lead to more PPV buys.
ricflaironpcp
06-16-2008, 09:37 PM
Can someone tell me how WWE thinks that having 2 upper midcarders lay Cena/HHH out two weeks in a row make me want to buy NOC and see the "rematch we've all been waiting for???" I just don't get WWE sometimes. It was a solid Raw otherwise. Would you have seen Piper & Orndoff lay out Andre & Hogan before WM3. Or Rick Rude & Mr.Perfect take out Warrior & Hogan before WM6? I don't get it. Shouldn't you build the two competitors in your main even as strong as you can and not make them look like punks by people on the card below them. I'm all for pushing younger/newer talent, but not after you've booked your money match for the next PPV
The attack made perfect sense. Triple H was getting 2-1 by a Main Eventer and an Upper Midcarder, obviously Triple H isn't going to be able to take the both of them. Cena came down to make the save; which he did, until HHH attacked him. HHH attacking Cena resulted in Y2J/Cade being given a chance to have the upperhand.
If anything it was smart booking. It took the otherwise squeeky clean feud between Cena/HHH which in my opinion had very little tension, and it gave it some dynamic with HHH attacking Cena (who helped HHH).
maxlift
06-16-2008, 09:41 PM
The attack made perfect sense. Triple H was getting 2-1 by a Main Eventer and an Upper Midcarder, obviously Triple H isn't going to be able to take the both of them.
So, that means that Kennedy was pretty much the reason that they could take out 14-2 odds, being as Triple H can't take out a mid-carder and someone from the bottom, but HHH and Kennedy can take out the entire ECW roster.
...Oh wait, WWE fans are supposed to forget things after 2 weeks, my bad.
J-WaQ
06-16-2008, 10:52 PM
night of champons will sux
does'nt look great and it's not worth buyin
Johnny Rotten
06-16-2008, 11:33 PM
Can someone tell me how WWE thinks that having 2 upper midcarders lay Cena/HHH out two weeks in a row make me want to buy NOC and see the "rematch we've all been waiting for???" I just don't get WWE sometimes. It was a solid Raw otherwise. Would you have seen Piper & Orndoff lay out Andre & Hogan before WM3. Or Rick Rude & Mr.Perfect take out Warrior & Hogan before WM6? I don't get it. Shouldn't you build the two competitors in your main even as strong as you can and not make them look like punks by people on the card below them. I'm all for pushing younger/newer talent, but not after you've booked your money match for the next PPV
This is the key point. The creative team wants to give upper mid-carders the opportunity to elevate their characters by having them involved with title feuds. You're saying they shouldn't do it leading into a PPV. Problem is...there's a PPV every four weeks. Plus, this isn't a feud leading into WM or SS. If there is a time to allow lower talent to get involved, right now is not a bad time. "Night of Champions" is pretty low on the totem pole of PPV events.
billfinkbiner
06-17-2008, 01:26 AM
Next week will be the how will they co-exist tag team match. I think someone on the creative team has been watching too much TNA.
LiftTilDeath
06-17-2008, 07:16 AM
Next week will be the how will they co-exist tag team match. I think someone on the creative team has been watching too much TNA.
Exactly, I know that's exactly what they're building to. And it's not the right way to build mid-card talent
jimbob007
06-17-2008, 07:25 AM
I have not seen this, but this is the company who a couple of years ago in the run up to Rey defending the world title against JBL in the main event on a PPV decided to have Rey do two clean jobs on tv leading up to it, to Khali and mid card Mark Henry. It made zero sense and went against logic to make your champion look so weak but they did it anyway.
ricflaironpcp
06-17-2008, 09:20 AM
So, that means that Kennedy was pretty much the reason that they could take out 14-2 odds, being as Triple H can't take out a mid-carder and someone from the bottom, but HHH and Kennedy can take out the entire ECW roster.
...Oh wait, WWE fans are supposed to forget things after 2 weeks, my bad.
I'm agree, the ECW battle royal was insanely dumb. If anything HHH and Kennedy should have been bloodied. They should have reinforced the ECW mob mentality. It would not have hurt HHH/Kennedy as much as it would have pushed Regal as more of an *******. Who here can say that they could take on 14 people and come out standing?
As for "smart" booking. I was simply referring to last nights segment. It was smart, it added new dynamic to the HHH/Cena feud. I hope the elaborate on HHH attacking Cena when Cena tried to help him. If anything, Cena should get "revenge" on HHH next week. Being that they are both faces, and face vs face matches are usually very hard to garner confrontation with; Cena now has a reason to be angry and to want to destroy HHH at Night Of Champions.
LiftTilDeath
06-17-2008, 09:31 AM
I have not seen this, but this is the company who a couple of years ago in the run up to Rey defending the world title against JBL in the main event on a PPV decided to have Rey do two clean jobs on tv leading up to it, to Khali and mid card Mark Henry. It made zero sense and went against logic to make your champion look so weak but they did it anyway.
Good comparison. Cena and HHH weren't made out to look THAT bad. But I do remember the weeks leading up to JD '06 I was in awe as to how ****ty they were making their Smackdown world champ look before his first major title defense.
ricflaironpcp
06-17-2008, 09:41 AM
Good comparison. Cena and HHH weren't made out to look THAT bad. But I do remember the weeks leading up to JD '06 I was in awe as to how ****ty they were making their Smackdown world champ look before his first major title defense.
I think the idea was to make Rey look like an underdog so that when he beats JBL at Judgement Day it'd mean so much more. The only problem; they failed miserably.
If anything they should have made Rey get his ass kicked in both matches but somehow come away with wins in both impossible situations by using his high flying and fast paced style. They could have painted JBL as an even more impossible win for Rey. Even know Mark Henry and Khali are both two huge men (like JBL) JBL will use any underhanded tactics or outside interference necessary to get the job done. So Rey not only has to deal with the size disadvantage, but also JBL's underhanded tactics. (which neither of the men he barely beat on Smackdown use.)
WWE/F's booking can be poor at times, but at least when they are at their best it can produce some very good television.