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oFf_studENT
05-30-2008, 05:43 PM
I am 16 and just started lifting seriously a few days ago but have been lifting on and off for about a year. I am hearing different things about which squat (90 degree or full) is worse for the knees and I want to know what everybody else thinks. Personally, I like the full squat because I am going to start Olympic weightlifting after softball season and that is what you have to use, but I want to know if I should hold off on practicing it until I am under the guidance of a coach or go ahead and try to get used to the motion using light weights.

BandApart
05-30-2008, 05:44 PM
atg ftw, it feels more natural to me anyway

Skippy_nate
05-30-2008, 05:47 PM
So long as you're forms good, it ain't bad for you.

SecondSucks
05-30-2008, 05:48 PM
So if ur goin to start Olympic u better go ATG

Happy Gains
05-30-2008, 05:51 PM
do you guys know why oly squatting is A2G? I know that adding weight to the bar doesn't vary from squatting either parallel or A2G you get stronger from both forms of squatting, i don't believe that one form is safer than the other form as with bad form all exercises are unsafe.

Good luck with your goals.

PrincessSparkle
05-30-2008, 05:52 PM
Both - atg free and parallel box-squats for full development

ajdmuscle
05-30-2008, 06:05 PM
I would do both, I hate when people put a ton of weight on and go down like 2 inches.

90 degree squats work full quad

below 90 degree your glutes are being worked as well

I remember when I started to squat below 90 my ass hurt so bad the next day

bigguy19
05-30-2008, 06:26 PM
well, ive never seen anyone have 90 degree bend in their knees and be parallel, because your shins move forward, closing the angle from 180 to 90 faster before you get parallel

so parallel vs atg?
ATG

MattEagan
05-30-2008, 06:29 PM
IMO atg isn't all that neccessary, unless you're pl'ing. Your quads will get just as hit doing a bit below parallel than atg, simply becuase when you're doing that far its your ass squeezing to lift your up not your legs until your get to parallel ish. but thats jsut my opinion.

deadbycheese
05-30-2008, 06:29 PM
do you guys know why oly squatting is A2G? I know that adding weight to the bar doesn't vary from squatting either parallel or A2G you get stronger from both forms of squatting, i don't believe that one form is safer than the other form as with bad form all exercises are unsafe.

Good luck with your goals.

The bottom position of Olympic lifts are in the a2g squat stance.

DiabetusReturns
05-30-2008, 06:35 PM
Both are great, but at my age, I cannot do them, I can barely support my own bodyweight

MillerTime07
05-30-2008, 06:35 PM
IMO atg isn't all that neccessary, unless you're pl'ing. Your quads will get just as hit doing a bit below parallel than atg, simply becuase when you're doing that far its your ass squeezing to lift your up not your legs until your get to parallel ish. but thats jsut my opinion.


am i mistaken but arent you the guy that posted a vid of himself DB pressing like 125s for reps? and the guy that had that stuff in his sig about bulking to like 300 and being at like 280 at 5% BF? just wondering b/c at your weight the DBs would be sick.

bigguy19
05-30-2008, 06:43 PM
am i mistaken but arent you the guy that posted a vid of himself DB pressing like 125s for reps? and the guy that had that stuff in his sig about bulking to like 300 and being at like 280 at 5% BF? just wondering b/c at your weight the DBs would be sick.
no, matt is only 124, and a big bitch might i add :)

Baba_ghanoush
05-30-2008, 06:45 PM
atg widowmakers

Diana Meeque
05-30-2008, 06:51 PM
IMO atg isn't all that neccessary, unless you're pl'ing. Your quads will get just as hit doing a bit below parallel than atg, simply becuase when you're doing that far its your ass squeezing to lift your up not your legs until your get to parallel ish. but thats jsut my opinion.

ATG is not for powerlifting


at least not for anyone who wants to be good at powerlifting

MillerTime07
05-30-2008, 06:52 PM
no, matt is only 124, and a big bitch might i add :)

so is the guy im talking about or not?

MattEagan
05-30-2008, 06:55 PM
am i mistaken but arent you the guy that posted a vid of himself DB pressing like 125s for reps? and the guy that had that stuff in his sig about bulking to like 300 and being at like 280 at 5% BF? just wondering b/c at your weight the DBs would be sick.
strong unaware.



and dynamik I was think it in the sense that pl uses a wider stance meaning that it'll be more hip/glutial action as opposed to quad so wouldn't you want to train glutes when you squat which would be atg?

its just my opinion atleast.

bigguy19
05-30-2008, 06:55 PM
so is the guy im talking about or not?
yes
hes a beast

surf2_the_max92
05-30-2008, 06:57 PM
it depends. If it doesn't feel right when ya do the full squats then i would wait for a proper trainer to help ya get your posture right. You don't want to hurt ya self especially if a want to do Olympic weight training.

Diana Meeque
05-30-2008, 07:03 PM
strong unaware.



and dynamik I was think it in the sense that pl uses a wider stance meaning that it'll be more hip/glutial action as opposed to quad so wouldn't you want to train glutes when you squat which would be atg?

its just my opinion atleast.

when *most* PLs squat they sit back and force the knees out which transfers the power to the hips and that produces the greatest squatting power

of course there are still competitive powerlifters who squat ATG like an olympic lifter but usually those are beginners

MillerTime07
05-30-2008, 07:26 PM
strong unaware.



and dynamik I was think it in the sense that pl uses a wider stance meaning that it'll be more hip/glutial action as opposed to quad so wouldn't you want to train glutes when you squat which would be atg?

its just my opinion atleast.

umm no **** strong unaware, thats why i asked the question smart ass.

pandaemon666
05-30-2008, 07:39 PM
i personally would stick with parallel... if u wanna do atg youll probably end up hitting your butt on the ground too often... unbless yer real muscular and experienced.

Kiknskreem
05-30-2008, 07:55 PM
and dynamik I was think it in the sense that pl uses a wider stance meaning that it'll be more hip/glutial action as opposed to quad so wouldn't you want to train glutes when you squat which would be atg?

No, PL'ers spend more of their time squatting to competition depth with their competition stance.

They definitely switch it up though and do high bar squats, front squats, etc... but primarily you want to train the way you compete.