almost had a "bodyhard" moment yesterday.

[John Prophet]

So im driving home from work. Im on the highway and I see a schoolbus way up ahead. I have been behind them on this road b4 and they make frequent stops even though its directly on the highway.

So he is like a half mile ahead or whatever and he is stopping several times. Finally I catch him and I get over in the passing lane and there are a couple cars in front of me that need to pass him. So I am hoping they will hurry up and pass so I can pass before he stops again.

finally they pass him and its my turn. I am surprised he hasnt stopped yet so I figure he'll stop any second. So right as I am about ready to pass he puts on his right turn signal so he could turn. Well it kind of faked me out so I ease on the brakes thinking he was going to throw the stop sign up and stop.

So this idiot in a minivan comes flying up right behind the bus and cuts in front of me and squeezes between me and the slowing bus. if that wasnt bad enough he lays on the horn and then, the capper, he aggresively throws out the big ol "what the f&^%?" hand gesture". (arm extended, palm up etc)

Im thinking "oh NO he didnt"

so he goes flying by and I had slowed down so it took me a little while to catch him, lol. (4 cylinder Tercel) So I start reeling him in. I had several minutes to think about it. It was like I had Ghandi on one shoulder and Bodyhard on the other. Ghandi was like "man, let it go, u got a 3 day weekend, just chill". But then BH pops up like "bro, u gonna let them throw the hand up on you like that and u arent even going to go investigate the situation further? whats next, u gonna give em a backrub?"

So he stayed in the fast lane and so did I. Im pretty sure he knew I was there and was going to catch him, lol. So I finally caught em and he had got into the slow lane so I pulled in behind them and they were doing maybe 60-65. So I get behind them, not RIGHT behind but close enough. So after 10 secs or so dude slows way down, lol. Im like "oh, u WANNA play games huh?"

So I just eased over to pass them and I gave him a nice slow look right in the face as I passed. turned my head all the way around etc.

It was 2 dudes. The driver was some big gangly looking dude with tats etc. He looked incredulous that id actually look him in the face and I saw him turn to his buddy and say something. (hmmm, tall, long armed dude..I was already picturing me shooting on him to take him down, lol. I aint gonna slap box no b-ball looking dude)

Then he sort of whipped around in the other lane like he was going to immediately repass me and I was like "well, here we go" lol.

anyway, I didnt slow down or speed up and dude didnt pass me. He just stayed like a couple cars behind in the passing lane and he didnt pass me until I had to slow down for a light way on up the road.

Probably a good thing BH (or anyone for that matter) wasnt with me because I can almost picture me speeding way up and pulling off the road on up ahead and standing by the road to return dudes hand gesture back to him.


Is it right to play games on the road like that? nope.

is it wise to possibly start trouble when u have no idea of the possible outcome? nope

Then again sometimes it doesnt feel right to a man to let someone punk him out for no reason either.

[gkkling]

Ghandi on one shoulder, BodyHard on the other.

That is too fricken hillarious. Thanks for the laugh.

[gbg]

That was a funny gesture about Ghandi and Bodyhard no disrespect but I would go with Ghandi. Now I was gonna go the whole Test route but Gahandi is a man and well..................

[D1111]

lmao!!..Fing punks...Congrats on being cool,i lack that ability and likely would have dragged gangly boy out by his throat and used his head to beat on his buddy...But then i am starting to get a bit Ghandi in my old age so that may just be a fantasy from days of yore:)
Good for you,staying cool,its tough at times,very,especially in todays world.

[The Abomination]

Haha...are you carryin?? (serious)

[John Prophet]

I was thinking of various Bible scrips etc and on the one hand jesus turned the other cheek but on the other hand he wasnt above taking a whip and cleaning house. In one place He told them to sell stuff to buy a sword if they didnt have one...but in another place He told them that all who live by the sword would die by the sword.

Then of course I thought of scripture incidents like these from Nehemiah:

Nehemiah13:19 When evening shadows fell on the gates of Jerusalem before the Sabbath, I ordered the doors to be shut and not opened until the Sabbath was over. I stationed some of my own men at the gates so that no load could be brought in on the Sabbath day. 20 Once or twice the merchants and sellers of all kinds of goods spent the night outside Jerusalem. 21 But I warned them and said, "Why do you spend the night by the wall? If you do this again, I will lay hands on you."

23 Moreover, in those days I saw men of Judah who had married women from Ashdod, Ammon and Moab. 24 Half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod or the language of one of the other peoples, and did not know how to speak the language of Judah. 25 I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair.



of course, it also doesnt help that I have been reading a book about Nathan Bedford Forrest lately, lol. (google him)

[NotTooLate]

Man, if I wasn't still alive I would think that I'd reincarnated into you lol I used to favour the BH voice when I was younger. I go with the Ghandi voice now ;)

[John Prophet]

Man, if I wasn't still alive I would think that I'd reincarnated into you lol I used to favour the BH voice when I was younger. I go with the Ghandi voice now ;)

what I need is a honey like u by my side at those moments to say "dont worry baby, momma make u forget them idiots when we get home"

[Jimislash]

Wasn't Nathan Bedford Forrest the founder of the KKK? or Grand Wizard?

[D1111]

Wasn't Nathan Bedford Forrest the founder of the KKK? or Grand Wizard?

I thought he was a Neo Nazi??..Sounds familiar?..sounds Like a Nice easy,light read there:)
Those idiots are just lucky you were not reading Hitklers,Mein Kampf..:)

[Olie]

Well, I'm glad it didn't end up in someone getting hurt but I can relate to the reaction the two idiots aroused from you. Sometime I wonder what goes through people's heads but I am finding out more and more it is simply air. It seems everyone is in one gigantic hurry and if they can get there 2 seconds sooner they have accomplished something. If they don't it's automatically someone elses fault, like yours.
We used to keep marbles or small ball bearings in the car for tards just like this. Nothing screws up the front end of a vehicle than hitting a marble while traveling down the highway at 60 MPH. Just gotta be slick enough to get them out without being seen.....<evil grin>

[baker]

I gave up getting irritated at people in traffic. I did get out of my truck at a red light a few weeks ago, the little ****s behind me all rolled up thier windows and locked their doors really quick. I was not a happy camper after they tailgated me for two blocks and then blew thier horn at me when I didn't go on a yellow.

[John Prophet]

Wasn't Nathan Bedford Forrest the founder of the KKK? or Grand Wizard?

he was invited in since he was an extremely influential southerner after the war. Im pretty sure the original incarnation wasnt the same as what it evolved into later and some of that is discussed in the book I am reading. Pretty sure Forrest was actually quite the racial 'reconciler' in some ways after the war. But I wasnt referring to anything to do with the KKK...I was referring more to dudes fiestiness and quickness to enter a good fight.

for example:

During the crossing, as Forrest began to move his troops over the river, General Cheatham also arrived with his men and expected to cross first. Forrest rode up to Cheatham, explaining that he had arrived first and would cross ahead of Cheatham. Cheatham answered, "I think not, sir. You are mistaken. I intend to cross now, and will thank you to move out of the way of my troops." Forrest, never one to take abuse from anyone, drew his pistol and explained, "If you are a better man than I am, General Cheatham, your troops can cross ahead of mine."


If a man finds himself lacking testosterone he might try reading about Forrest or General Patton, lol


I have read lots of it lately so I might should chill for a while and like watch some Woody Allen flicks or take some soy protein or something.....

[bodyhard]

Dude that was F'cking hilarious! :D :D Love the way you depicted it!

That is me alright, always instigating a fight LMFAO, but with me, you know I am going to be there for the long haul, ya feel me?

Glad nothing came out of it though man and you are OK, I guess the driver thought to himself, this guy ain't the one!

Props!

Gotta spread some before I give....

[John Prophet]

Dude that was F'cking hilarious! :D :D Love the way you depicted it!

That is me alright, always instigating a fight LMFAO, but with me, you know I am going to be there for the long haul, ya feel me?

Glad nothing came out of it though man and you are OK, I guess the driver thought to himself, this guy ain't the one!

Props!

Gotta spread some before I give....

yeah, dude was probably thinking "if I get beat down by a dude in a Tercel i'll NEVER live it down"

[bodyhard]

yeah, dude was probably thinking "if I get beat down by a dude in a Tercel i'll NEVER live it down"

:D :D :D

You ever thought it was just "you" that made him think twice? You are not no little dude man! :eek:

[John Prophet]

the irony of the "tough guy in economy car" situation didnt escape me, hehe

like in the movies the hero would have flew up on them in a second with his hemi powered Cuda or whatever. Me, it took me like 4 miles to catch them, lol. Took me so long dude had probably forgot the original incident and wondered why some idiot was giving him hard looks for no reason. It would have made a good comedy movie clip.

reminds me of when I was young and had my 67 Lemans convertible. If a girl made me mad on a date I could drop her off, storm to the car, and burn rubber all the way down the road. Now all I can do is storm to the car, lol

[Whiskeyjack]

Bodyhard as Devil and Ghandi as God. When we start referring to BH generically he's achieved mythic proportions...Ha ha.

[greenamphibious]

ya see that is why I love Florida we carry guns down here!

[Olie]

ya see that is why I love Florida we carry guns down here!

We carry here in Washington too although I find myself being much more calm when I am packing. Don't want to bring a gun to a fistfight.

[Do_Somethin]

ya see that is why I love Florida we carry guns down here!

Nobody's perfect.

[greenamphibious]

Nobody's perfect.meaning?

[cast iron shore]

So this idiot in a minivan comes flying up right behind the bus and cuts in front of me and squeezes between me and the slowing bus. if that wasnt bad enough he lays on the horn and then, the capper, he aggresively throws out the big ol "what the f&^%?" hand gesture". (arm extended, palm up etc)

This is the part that gets me (and apparently you too) about aggressive drivers: they do something wrong themselves that puts YOU at risk and then they act like you're the bad guy. That's when you have to use your self-talk, i.e. "it's not worth it," "let it go," "chasing them isn't going to do any good," "it's over with, I'm going to turn on the radio now," etc. Not easy when you're fuming.

[surlycurmudgeon]

We carry here in Washington too although I find myself being much more calm when I am packing. Don't want to bring a gun to a fistfight.

Yeah, I find that I can carry a gun or a chip, but not both.

[TANK25]

ya see that is why I love Florida we carry guns down here!
Same here in PA.!!!!


We carry here in Washington too although I find myself being much more calm when I am packing. Don't want to bring a gun to a fistfight.
A gun permit has done the same thing for me!!!!

[slackdaddy]

You made the right move. Just not worth it.

A couple of weeks ago on a Friday after work I made a beer run to a little store on my way home. As I was backing out, a dude in a ratty truck came flying in and laided on his horn until I pulled up and let him get around me. When he parked and jumped out, he was about 5'1" 220 pounds with a bandana on his head and wearing bibbed overalls.

For a split second, I thought about getting out and smacking his little Napolian arse around but thought "It's Friday, I've got 12 colds ones and a night in jail would really suck" so I just returned his stink eye and kept on going.

[Nikonguy]

That's a funny story and it hits close to home. The first 2 miles of my 24 mile commute every morning is a race to see who can cut off who to get into a right turn lane. The same phuckers every morning trying to cut off the people who know to get into the right lane right away!

On a weird note, I receintly used portions of the movie "Gandhi" in my history class. That afternoon was chest day and I started wondering; On his best day, as a young man how much could Gandhi bench? He was a vegitarian and a light breeze could blow him away but how would I go about training him to get a respectable bench press.....and what if I did such a good job he could out bench me?! Now that would be humiliating so I decided even if I had the chance to train the Mahatma I wouldn't, at least not until I was benching well over 300 'cause I don't think he'd ever be able to bench that much.....see this is why I have no mind/muscle connection, because this is the kind of thing I think about when I work out! wtf?

Ummmm, what were we talking about?

[Reality_Check]

Not that this is the religious forum of the site but as long as you are raising the topic


I was thinking of various Bible scrips etc and on the one hand jesus turned the other cheek but on the other hand he wasnt above taking a whip and cleaning house.

I think the beatitudes (Mathew 5) i.e. turn the other cheek, lust = adultery, hatred = murder etc is as much as anything, given in order to point out that we can't live up to God's standard of holiness (not that we shouldn't try) and hence to show the need for why God had to send Jesus.

Forgiveness is certainly a big part of Christianity though. On the other and I don't think we are required to be door mats either.

Personally I'm not too troubled with how you confronted the guy. Pulling him over and getting out to beat him up would be where you cross the line I think.

[EMISGOD]

This is the part that gets me (and apparently you too) about aggressive drivers: they do something wrong themselves that puts YOU at risk and then they act like you're the bad guy. That's when you have to use your self-talk, i.e. "it's not worth it," "let it go," "chasing them isn't going to do any good," "it's over with, I'm going to turn on the radio now," etc. Not easy when you're fuming.

I never do this. If I think they're in the wrong (depending on how wrong) AND they piss me off enough to do so, I will actively chase them down and at times try to run them off the road and/or get them to stop. My car is faster than JP's, so this is almost never a problem, particularly since most of the time they have nowhere to run. If they try to apologize (nearly all of them do once they seem me bearing down -- and I will make it a point to pull up right next to them and start making gestures) and seem contrite, I usually will let it slide, as I realize that once I turn off the car and go do other things, I have a very short memory for that **** and in the grand scheme of things, that road interaction is entirely meaningless. I haven't figured out how I'm going to handle it once I start riding the bike in traffic a lot (much harder to chase them down)...

On the other hand, as regards this story, I found myself sympathizing more with the mini-van that wound up getting tired of the apparent wishy-washyness of the OP... :D

[slackdaddy]

I never do this. If I think they're in the wrong (depending on how wrong) AND they piss me off enough to do so, I will actively chase them down and at times try to run them off the road and/or get them to stop. My car is faster than JP's, so this is almost never a problem, particularly since most of the time they have nowhere to run. If they try to apologize (nearly all of them do once they seem me bearing down -- and I will make it a point to pull up right next to them and start making gestures) and seem contrite, I usually will let it slide, as I realize that once I turn off the car and go do other things, I have a very short memory for that **** and in the grand scheme of things, that road interaction is entirely meaningless. I haven't figured out how I'm going to handle it once I start riding the bike in traffic a lot (much harder to chase them down)...

On the other hand, as regards this story, I found myself sympathizing more with the mini-van that wound up getting tired of the apparent wishy-washyness of the OP... :D


I would advise some interval traing on the bike if you are planning on running down cars. Not to derail the thread but have you seen the video of the guy outrunning the cops on a bike?

[EMISGOD]

I would advise some interval traing on the bike if you are planning on running down cars. Not to derail the thread but have you seen the video of the guy outrunning the cops on a bike?

If I am going to run down cars on the bike, I need better weaponry...I doubt my bike is fast enough...maybe if I get the Pinarello... :D

I haven't seen that yet, no...linky?

[patrick24601]

"Then again sometimes it doesnt feel right to a man to let someone punk him out for no reason either."

This has nothing to do with being a man . It is attitudes like this in large metal vehicles going 60mph that end very badly sometimes. Be careful with ego.

[biggaz]

[QUOTE=John Prophet;1699467 BH pops up like "bro, u gonna let them throw the hand up on you like that and u arent even going to go investigate the situation further? whats next, u gonna give em a backrub?"

[/QUOTE]

LMFAO!!!

[surlycurmudgeon]

Personally I'm not too troubled with how you confronted the guy. Pulling him over and getting out to beat him up would be where you cross the line I think.

Agreed.

[John Prophet]

This has nothing to do with being a man . It is attitudes like this in large metal vehicles going 60mph that end very badly sometimes. Be careful with ego.

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

[surlycurmudgeon]

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

Agreed as well. It's the societal lack of resistances to *******-ish behavior that encourages same. When jerks start discovering that their actions have consequences, the smarter ones temper their actions. The dumber ones get Darwinned.

[gbg]

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

[V-240]

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

Finally, someone with a little common sense. :cool:

[patrick24601]

"I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time."

Masculinity and being a man having nothing to do with

...defending yourself when someone cuts you off in a car
...getting in after school fight over a girl
...getting in someones face when they call you a queer and you hate the word
...breaking someones arm when the give you the finger

Like someone else pointed out the smarter person would just laugh it off and let it go. You accomplish nothing by chasing them down, "winning" when racing your cars, or beating the crap out of them.

The best way for someone to defend his honor is to maintain it in first place. Beating the crap out of someone is not honorable. It is childish. Anybody over the age of 16-17 that still thinks this is the way conflicts should be handled has a difficult life ahead.

[cast iron shore]

...this is almost never a problem, particularly since most of the time they have nowhere to run. If they try to apologize (nearly all of them do once they seem me bearing down -- and I will make it a point to pull up right next to them and start making gestures)...

If NEARLY all apologize then some don't. What do you do when that happens?

[EMISGOD]

If NEARLY all apologize then some don't. What do you do when that happens?

That is true. Some do not.

My reaction really depends on a lot of factors, such as what my schedule at the time is, if I can even get them to stop without causing a disruption to traffic flow (don't want to attract attention necessarily), how much other traffic (potential witnesses) are about, if it's a stupid woman with kids, any cops in the vicinity, etc. My goal is to illustrate that they should keep their idiotic vehicular maneuvers to themselves and sometimes a few miss that, I guess. I like to believe they go away from our encounters as more cautious about how they conduct themselves behind the wheel.

That's not really answering your question, I guess. Some I let go after a while and some wind up facing the thunder, although none of them have faced it particularly well...

[cast iron shore]

...some wind up facing the thunder, although none of them have faced it particularly well...

What does "facing the thunder" mean? What do you do when you decide to do something more?

[EMISGOD]

What does "facing the thunder" mean? What do you do when you decide to do something more?

It doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea to elaborate further on this, other than to say that you may have heard that people have two reactions when confronted: flight or fight. I'd say the vast majority choose flight, but there is a third possibility as well, which is acting like choosing the fight response but taking a good solid beating instead.

It has been one of my biggest struggles not to view people's inept driving as an actual assault to me personally and to my well-being, which is what triggers all of this. I can logically understand that they are just inferior operators of a motor vehicles and probably moronic, sub-human dimwits but rationality goes pretty immediately out the window and those are not the thoughts I think any longer. Instead, the thought process moves directly into the realm of defensive counter-attack. I like to think I'm getting better but some days I once again find myself following some waterhead for a little "come to Jesus" session...a few times I've forgotten where I was originally going and have driven by turns I intended on making, which is a lapse I find bothersome when I finally do notice...

[John Prophet]

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

ah yes, the classic scenario of a woman telling a man what it means to be a man.

[EMISGOD]

ah yes, the classic scenario of a woman telling a man what it means to be a man.

That's not what she said and I doubt she meant it in the way of instruction...it seemed more opinion and an actual question than directives...


I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

I have no disagreement to this at all and I'd say the same thing myself, in theory...in reality, it is more the case as I mentioned specifically with me, though, so moving theory into reality is much less easier than typing the words...

[bodyhard]

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

Dude I couldn't agree more too many F'cking wimps for men these days I have no idea when all of this happen but ****, where the hell did they all go?

[V-240]

Let's put it this way. I have never started a fight over some silly trivial worthless event. I have, however, ENDED a few!

Natural selection usually takes care of the rest. I save the 'thunder' for times that are worth the effort.

[Whiskeyjack]

..moving theory into reality is much less easier than typing the words...

This is quite true, and often overlooked.

[chodan9]

Dude I couldn't agree more too many F'cking wimps for men these days I have no idea when all of this happen but ****, where the hell did they all go?

A little too much "getting in touch with your inner child" I'm thinking.
While I wouldnt go out of my way to lock glares with some punk on the freeway, I dont let people walk all over me either. I've come too close to losing my job a few times by confronting the wrong people heh heh, not too bright/
Letting someone like the driver punk get under my skin enough to cause me to chase him down is too much like handing over my power to him.
Guys like that will get whats coming to them in short order anyway.

A man can let stuff like that go and still be a man, we have to pick our battles. If every time someone causes you a problem then its fight time, it diminishes or dilutes the times when it my be important to make a stand.

[John Prophet]

A man can let stuff like that go and still be a man, we have to pick our battles. If every time someone causes you a problem then its fight time, it diminishes or dilutes the times when it my be important to make a stand.

yes, fine and dandy. But lets balance that off with the other side of the coin. What about men who NEVER confront anything?? We are not talking about EVERYtime being fight time...we are looking at the other extreme of it NEVER being fight time.

IMO a man like that will have half his life stolen from him and he wont even realize it.

So which side do I want to err on?? I can tell u straight up, I feel more regret in life for the times I DIDNT light into someone or at least boldly speak up than for the times I did so out of line.


I remember when I was like 25yrs old I was on the job one day and the boss was giving us a little speech about how he wasnt happy with this that or the other. So me, being the good little non-confrontationalist, I just sat and listened and looked "downcast" as they expect u to look during such speeches, lol.

So then I think someone chuckled or something and the boss raised his voice a little like "damnit, im not joking". I was ex military so I didnt think much of it. But then this one guy brisked right up and said in a very firm voice. "JR, im not going to have you raising your voice to me". !!!!!!

And that was just from a rank and file worker. OMG, it was pretty classic. I was sort of surprised and I was thinking to myself "I hear ya redneck". At first I was thinking dude was being silly to even say such a thing. But then I started thinking it was pretty cool. So later I see the boss APOLOGIZING to the worker and the worker said "Thats ok, just dont let it happen again." !!!!

Of course, the times I have tried that it tended to backfire, lol. Yes, there is such a thing as speaking up TOO much for yourself...or getting riled up TOO easily. But then there is the equal or greater issue of never getting riled up.

I trained a guy once...I cant picture dude ever getting mad or raising his voice. To me thats as bad or worse than a hothead. This guy wondered why he wasnt doign well at job interviews and why his wife wouldnt pay him much attention etc. Damn, I guess not bro, at some point in the year ya gotta pound your chest or roar or do SOMETHING to let people know you dont squat to pee.


so yeah, I agree, its totally juvenile to exchange hard looks on the highway. Its foolish and proves nothing. Then again, neither does skydiving or arm wrestling your buddy. I say that at some regular intervals a man has to do something to demonstrate to himself that he has a set...even if it is in some small childish way.

[patrick24601]

"even if it is in some small childish way."

That sums up what happened at your work pretty well. Yes it happened to work out well that one time. But the guy approached it poorly and the odds were not in his favor. Heck - even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.

And the conversation is moving away from what it takes to have a "set" and more towards what it takes to be a decent human being - man or woman. I am very non-confrontational. I don't have to be. Something just like what happened at your work happened to me once. I paused, took a breathe and said something like "Please talk to me and my coworkers with the respect we deserve. There is no need to raise your voice.". That has a much better chance of working than me walking up swinging my pole over my shoulder beating on big manly chest to show the boss I don't take his crap.

I don't let people walk all over me. And the quieter I am about a situation the more upset I am about it. I brush immature crap like the previous posts have brought up all of the time. I have less bruises to show for it. Yet somehow I still manage to raise family, pay a mortgage, shoot pool and play poker with the guys, and get up and speak my mind when the time warrants.

Let me check... yep... somehow still got a left one and right one ;)

Peace my friends.

[John Prophet]

I have less bruises to show for it. Yet somehow I still manage to raise family, pay a mortgage, shoot pool and play poker with the guys, and get up and speak my mind when the time warrants.

Peace my friends.

well then consider my posts as being for the "rest of us" who dont have everything perfectly together like you.

you are obviously already "there"....so just ignore the rest of us who are still imperfect

[gbg]

well then consider my posts as being for the "rest of us" who dont have everything perfectly together like you.

you are obviously already "there"....so just ignore the rest of us who are still imperfect

Not that I'm perfect but please speak for yourself. You don't need to have it all together to act civil towards others and have enough self respect and common knowledge to know that beating your chest like a cave man will give you a sense of anything but being very confused.

[John Prophet]

Im pretty much extremely civil...even to the point of being TOO civil and way too accomodating of others. (doormat)

thats where the question arises as how to handle it when someone is uncivil or disrepectful toward me. if one is out looking for trouble then he almost deserves to find it and he has no room to get mad when he does. But when one already goes out of his way to be a cool laid back person and he gets disrespected etc anyway, it tends to make that self rightousness or rightous anger flare up.

I just find it interesting that a woman would want a man to be essentially passive.

[gbg]

Im pretty much extremely civil...even to the point of being TOO civil and way too accomodating of others. (doormat)

thats where the question arises as how to handle it when someone is uncivil or disrepectful toward me. if one is out looking for trouble then he almost deserves to find it and he has no room to get mad when he does. But when one already goes out of his way to be a cool laid back person and he gets disrespected etc anyway, it tends to make that self rightousness or rightous anger flare up.

I just find it interesting that a woman would want a man to be essentially passive.

Don't know about other woman but to me there is nothing more attractive than a man in control of his feelings acting civil in an uncivil situation trying to resolve rather than dispute.
I know he can take care of things (physically) if they should get out of hand
the fact that he doesn't have to go there to prove anything is what I as a woman appreciate in a man.

[EMISGOD]

If I am going to run down cars on the bike, I need better weaponry...I doubt my bike is fast enough...maybe if I get the Pinarello... :D

Well, so here's a traffic story from today, though this one is more amusing...I was at a traffic light and had to dodge through a bunch of cars that couldn't figure out what those big white stripes ACROSS the lanes are for (apparently parking in the middle of :rolleyes:)...I wound up behind a Metro and followed him through the light and I thought what the Hell, let's just see what's what here...it took him a good couple blocks to pull away, which was pissing him off to no end...my Legs were screaming, but I kept up pretty well with him until it came time for my turn...I was thinking of this thread nearly the entire time and chuckling to myself... :D

[John Prophet]

Don't know about other woman but to me there is nothing more attractive than a man in control of his feelings acting civil in an uncivil situation trying to resolve rather than dispute.
I know he can take care of things (physically) if they should get out of hand
the fact that he doesn't have to go there to prove anything is what I as a woman appreciate in a man.

lol

a man cant really win these days. He can be the proverbial doormat 364 days per year...he wins no medals for it, nor does any woman ever say "ya know, that self control is kinda sexy". But then let him return a glance to someone ONE time and all of a sudden dude is labeled as a hothead.

I suppose then its a good thing that I dont particularly live my life to please a woman (impossible task)


A man who exhibits great self control, fo rinstance in the gym....he doesnt draw attention to himself etc, just goes about his business quietly...as far as drawing fem attention he may as well forget it, lol.

Meanwhile the blowhard, weight dropper/grunter never fails to have this or that woman looking his way.

I think with women they say one thing from their head, but regardless they are attracted to the opposite of what their head says.

[Guinness42]

Same here in PA.!!!!


A gun permit has done the same thing for me!!!!


Same for me in Indiana. I always pack my Glock 9 with an extra clip. My company is in a tough neighborhood so it's my insurance policy to get me home to my family at night. Any time Cops films in Indianapolis it's by my office :).

So when I'm packing I'm always a little more cautious about getting into somthing. I wouldn't have a problem unloading both clips, but it would have to be life or death. Otherwise I would have to breath deep and get over being annoyed by an idiot cutting me off.

[Inthegrass]

Ghandi on one shoulder, BodyHard on the other.

That is too fricken hillarious. Thanks for the laugh.

I almost had my coke I was drinking come out my nose on reading that!! lmao!
Man that was funny!!!

[Joog]

lol


A man who exhibits great self control, fo rinstance in the gym....he doesnt draw attention to himself etc, just goes about his business quietly...as far as drawing fem attention he may as well forget it, lol.

Meanwhile the blowhard, weight dropper/grunter never fails to have this or that woman looking his way.



Yes, doesn't that p*ss you off!!!
A similar "blowhard" situation...
There is a bloke at my workplace that has a new "story" almost every day about how he "put someone in their place" or threatened them etc etc blah blah. Some of my co-workers sit around and listen and comment about how "outta control" this bloke is and are a bit wary of him. He lives in this delusional world that has him as some sort of badass hero
I, on the other hand, have known of this fellow for a couple of years and know he is full of sh*t!

It's funny how another person at work, who I know IS a heavy critter, has never come to work with such stories and so, no-one gives him a second thought as someone to be wary of.

[Tyrbolift]

You are dead on...anyone with any type of human studies will tell you that the ones who talk are just that...all talk to boost a low esteem....police officers know this too well...its the quiet tough looking ones that you need to worry about....*nods*

[NotTooLate]

what I need is a honey like u by my side at those moments to say "dont worry baby, momma make u forget them idiots when we get home"

Cool, I got called a honey by a cute guy 10 years younger :D hehe

[cast iron shore]

It has been one of my biggest struggles not to view people's inept driving as an actual assault to me personally and to my well-being, which is what triggers all of this. I can logically understand that they are just inferior operators of a motor vehicles and probably moronic, sub-human dimwits but rationality goes pretty immediately out the window and those are not the thoughts I think any longer. Instead, the thought process moves directly into the realm of defensive counter-attack. I like to think I'm getting better but some days I once again find myself following some waterhead for a little "come to Jesus" session...a few times I've forgotten where I was originally going and have driven by turns I intended on making, which is a lapse I find bothersome when I finally do notice...

That's great you are aware of your own emotional reaction (i.e. viewing people's bad driving as a personal assault). I find when people react this way, they don't usually think about the underlying cause. In a sense, your reaction is appropriate for what your emotions tell you is happening: if someone physically attacks your person/body, you have every right to defend yourself and hit back.

Unfortunately emotions are devoid of logic. I find "self-talk" to be helpful in those situations, reminding myself that it's over, nothing good will come of chasing the other person, and most importantly, that I'm not going to give that loser the power over me to make me lose my temper. I still get angry for a few seconds, but I cut it off by using my rational side. It isn't easy. But I don't believe it makes me less of a man that I make that choice. In fact, it makes me feel more in control.

[EMISGOD]

That's great you are aware of your own emotional reaction (i.e. viewing people's bad driving as a personal assault). I find when people react this way, they don't usually think about the underlying cause. In a sense, your reaction is appropriate for what your emotions tell you is happening: if someone physically attacks your person/body, you have every right to defend yourself and hit back.

Unfortunately emotions are devoid of logic. I find "self-talk" to be helpful in those situations, reminding myself that it's over, nothing good will come of chasing the other person, and most importantly, that I'm not going to give that loser the power over me to make me lose my temper. I still get angry for a few seconds, but I cut it off by using my rational side. It isn't easy. But I don't believe it makes me less of a man that I make that choice. In fact, it makes me feel more in control.

I don't argue with anyone who says it's a stupid thing to do to follow someone with the interest of potentially damaging them because they operate a motor vehicle poorly and generally civilized and mannerly persons should not behave thus.

However, I do feel that my emotional response does have some degree of logic in that people can be very seriously hurt in car collisions, whether by negligence or intent. I ultimately wish very much not to be one of those persons and the more errant drivers that can be taught the error of their ways, at least when they might be in my vicinity, I think it cuts the odds down somewhat, however minorly.

I try to use better prediction, more advanced "look-ahead" and am rarely in a position where I'm in a hurry (gas prices), as I've noticed that me being surprised or startled has a lot to do with the initiation of counter-measures...

[Tyrbolift]

Someone passes me rudely I just figure they have to go to the bathroom really bad.

In other words, put it on THEM. It's THEIR problem, not yours. You actually have nothing to do with it. They'd be passing you and being jerks no matter who was at your place on the road.

[cast iron shore]

However, I do feel that my emotional response does have some degree of logic in that people can be very seriously hurt in car collisions, whether by negligence or intent.

Emotions aren't based on logic, that's their nature: they are not thoughts, they are feelings. They aren't right or wrong, they just are. Your emotional reaction might be anger or something else, You're allowed to have whatever feeling you have. Your rational response (thought) is that "people can be very seriously hurt in car collisions, whether by negligence or intent." Very true.


I ultimately wish very much not to be one of those persons and the more errant drivers that can be taught the error of their ways, at least when they might be in my vicinity, I think it cuts the odds down somewhat, however minorly.

If the means by which you want to teach the errant drivers in your vicinity the errors of their ways involves you chasing or scaring them, I believe the negative outweighs the positive. The positive that you're hoping for is that they will not drive recklessly again for fear that someone like you will come down on them again. This is a possible, but in my humble opinion, unlikely outcome. People don't change unless they want to, and one bad experience usually doesn't undo an adult lifetime of driving recklessly. The negative--beyond the possible endangerment of yourself and others--is what you pointed out earlier: that YOU get lost, make a wrong turn, forget where you're going, or end up feeling angry when all you were trying to do was get to the grocery store, or wherever you were going, without incident.

[V-240]

Hey, the Fickle Finger of Fate eventually catches up with these clowns.

So, chill out and enjoy the show. ;)

[EMISGOD]

If the means by which you want to teach the errant drivers in your vicinity the errors of their ways involves you chasing or scaring them, I believe the negative outweighs the positive. The positive that you're hoping for is that they will not drive recklessly again for fear that someone like you will come down on them again. This is a possible, but in my humble opinion, unlikely outcome. People don't change unless they want to, and one bad experience usually doesn't undo an adult lifetime of driving recklessly. The negative--beyond the possible endangerment of yourself and others--is what you pointed out earlier: that YOU get lost, make a wrong turn, forget where you're going, or end up feeling angry when all you were trying to do was get to the grocery store, or wherever you were going, without incident.

Well, the preferable fear would be that I would come down on them, not necessarily someone else...

Again, no disagreement overall, but it is a slow process...I won't get lost or make wrong turns doing that (following THEM, which makes either impossible), but I have momentarily forgotten where I was going before then and have been plenty pissed, sure. I think the biggest possible endangerment is meeting either the wrong person or group of persons (one loses perspective doing this, I will say) and having that particular habit brought to a violent and bloody end in a hail of lead.

Talking about this all is kind of meaningless, I guess, in a way, because in a sense, I logically and mentally not only understand where all of you are coming from, but actively agree with you. On the other hand, this is about my sole remaining flashpoint (out of probably hundreds when I was younger), but it is by far the hardest to overcome, though I have so far done it much less this year than in years past...

[seriousc]

You never know who is on the other side of the argument. Unless it's worth dying for, think one more time.

Here's my story. My Girl Friend is driving. Brushes against a car that drifted into her lane in a turn. Cars stop, drivers exit. Other driver is hot looking asian chick - slutty looking. It's hot even though it's evening and this is going to suck. I get out of the car. GF sees me, checks out the dude in the other car. She gets more agressive and starts yelling, wanting the woman to admit guilt and appologize. Little dude was under 20 and near 90lbs and tweaking. The car is already dented, should be a problem for insurance companies. This is before I found Jesus and picked GF based almsot exclusively on breast size. GF wants an appology from the other woman and her body language is agressive.

I move toward her (and the other woman).

Little dude pops out of the car. Clean white T-shirt, sharp short haircut, cigarette hanging from his mouth, yelling in some asian language, holding a real AK. Completely ignoring us, the woman quickly tucks him back in the car and speeds away.

I have no doubt that he had done some bad things wherever he was from and that I was within 15 seconds of being dead that day over a dent in a Camry.

[cast iron shore]

this is about my sole remaining flashpoint (out of probably hundreds when I was younger), but it is by far the hardest to overcome, though I have so far done it much less this year than in years past...

I admire you for having overcome so many flashpoints and working on the one you have left. That takes a lot of determination,strength, courage, and intelligence. And you are right, it is a process, which takes a long time. Hats off.

[Skidmarx]

Me, it took me like 4 miles to catch them, lol. Took me so long dude had probably forgot the original incident and wondered why some idiot was giving him hard looks for no reason.

lol :D

[Skidmarx]

the fact that he doesn't have to go there to prove anything is what I as a woman appreciate in a man.

So your man's balls are in a box in your nightstand?

[bodyhard]

So your man's balls are in a box in your nightstand?

LMAO :D :D

[bassmanret]

Someone passes me rudely I just figure they have to go to the bathroom really bad.

In other words, put it on THEM. It's THEIR problem, not yours. You actually have nothing to do with it. They'd be passing you and being jerks no matter who was at your place on the road.

My daily commute is 90 miles (1.5 hours) one-way, so I see much more than my share of "rude" drivers. The way I deal with it is similar to this.

I have a very clear, distinct memory of how I felt while rushing my pregnant wife to the hospital when her labor pains became extremely intense with our first child. I was frantically trying to get there ASAP, and most certainly did not adhere to all traffic laws and/or courteous driving ettiquette. When I see random acts of road-rage, blatant rudeness or simple stupididy, I tell myself that there is every possibility that the offender is under stress from some similar situation, be it a pregnant wife, dying mother, or the simple urgent need of bowel evacuation (hey, diarrhea happens).

This works for me.

[omnisjdi]

I work in a parking lot, and constantly wonder what part of pedestrians have total right of way in a parking lot drivers don't understand.

Jeff

PS: And that the speed limit in a parking lot is 15mph..

[John Prophet]

dunno if any of u ever lived in Europe. I lived in Greece for 2.5 years and drove in an around Athens quite a bit. The driving there is a bit "different" than the orderly process in the states.

I also lived in Jersey for a while so I did a little driving on the Jersey Turnpike.

Compared to those 2 experiences, southside Va is very calm. Like 2 incidents per year compared to 12 per trip, lol

[GreenWave1]

Someone passes me rudely I just figure they have to go to the bathroom really bad.

In other words, put it on THEM. It's THEIR problem, not yours. You actually have nothing to do with it. They'd be passing you and being jerks no matter who was at your place on the road.

That's my attitude (now). I used to get into road rage situations on a regular basis. I fortunately have my anger under control (praise Jesus) and don't take these sort of things so personally.

Do I get angry at times? Of course. But not because I feel I've been punked, but because some careless jackass endangered my life.

I'm not going to further risk my life (most likely in a car accident) for some macho game. My family has too much to lose if something happens to me.

You can call me a pussy if you want. I don't see how getting into it with some anonymous fool makes you a man. Holding my 4 week old son while doctors stuck needles in him made me a man. Calling my parents to tell them my brother was murdered made me a man. Carrying the caskets of relatives who died young made me a man. Conquering addiction made me a man. Stepping up when life got REALLY hard made me a man. I don't need to prove my manhood by getting into a race/street fight with some fool over a traffic incident.

[maximus99]

That was a great laugh!! Haha! Glad things turned out ok.

[Tyrbolift]

That's my attitude (now). I used to get into road rage situations on a regular basis. I fortunately have my anger under control (praise Jesus) and don't take these sort of things so personally.

Do I get angry at times? Of course. But not because I feel I've been punked, but because some careless jackass endangered my life.

I'm not going to further risk my life (most likely in a car accident) for some macho game. My family has too much to lose if something happens to me.

You can call me a pussy if you want. I don't see how getting into it with some anonymous fool makes you a man. Holding my 4 week old son while doctors stuck needles in him made me a man. Calling my parents to tell them my brother was murdered made me a man. Carrying the caskets of relatives who died young made me a man. Conquering addiction made me a man. Stepping up when life got REALLY hard made me a man. I don't need to prove my manhood by getting into a race/street fight with some fool over a traffic incident.Different things can definitely change your attitude. For me it was losing everything and nearly my life in a natural disaster. Now I stop and smell the roses more, yet just don't take many things so seriously now, like what other people do. They can go and live their petty little frantic lives full of worry about small details, while I just hum along happy to be here.

[AlexNJ]

(...)I also lived in Jersey for a while so I did a little driving on the Jersey Turnpike.(...)

Reading this whole thread, I was wondering when somebody would bring up driving in New Jersey. It's almost a contact sport here.

[snoack]

This is the part that gets me (and apparently you too) about aggressive drivers: they do something wrong themselves that puts YOU at risk and then they act like you're the bad guy. That's when you have to use your self-talk, i.e. "it's not worth it," "let it go," "chasing them isn't going to do any good," "it's over with, I'm going to turn on the radio now," etc. Not easy when you're fuming.

Nothing pisses me off more then when some moron does something stupid and generally dangerous in traffic, and the has the nerve to get an attitude and defensive when they're wrong. I told one of them one time "hey, shut the **** up. You screwed up, you have no right to say anything"

in that vein:

a little over a year ago, I was driving home with my son from school. I'm pulling up to a stop sign, and I see this guy in a car about 50 feet back from the stop sign. Anyway, he sees me pulling up to the sign and starts to speed up. I go through, and he is absolutely freaking out behind my, yelling, screaming, acting like a total jackass. Anyway we're going up a sharp, blind curve to the left in a residential neighborhood, and this asswad PASSES and starts jamming his brakes on. Keep in mind, it's about 3:30 in the afternoon, there are elementary school-age kids all over the place, not to mention my son is in my truck with me (who was 9). Anyway, I pull into the parking lot behind this guy (he's a piazza delivery guy for some local chokenpuke carry out place) get out of my car and into his face...SCREAMING at him. A couple of his ignorant little buddies come running out, one keeps reaching up under his shirt like he has a gun and theratens to shoot me AND my kid. Now, keep in mind that, had I wanted to, I could have easily crushed all 3 of these little cockroaches, but I didn't. Nothing but angry words and arguing.

An hour later, a couple cops show up at my door. I had already written down the details of the incident, so I talked to the cop and gave it to him. He said he would complete his investigation within 48 hours and contact me at that time if there was anything further that would be taking place-

flash forward 7 weeks-

I'm taking my son to his summer camp program. This cop has just pulled into my parking lot. I'm not even thinking about it, because, having been stupid enough to take a cop at his word, I think he can't possibly be looking for me. Anyway, he follows me out to the highway, pulls me over, and ARRESTS me right in front of my kid. As I find out, I'm being charged with-

1 count of 1st degree assault
1 count of reckless endagerment
2 counts of 2nd degree assault
1 count of malicious damage

on top of this, he's just a complete ******* about it. I spend the day in jail. I go to court in September, my lawyer has it moved to circuit court. The prosecuter attempts to bluff me into pleading guilty by offering me a weekend in jail and financial restitution to fix the guy's car (this was really funny- in the cop's report he said that, in his expert opinion, the damage that he was shown on the guy's car was consistent with a kick- I was wearing slide-on, open toe sandals, and the guy's car was a 15 year old Volvo 850, kicking this thing hard enough to dent it would have broken several bones in my foot), claiming that they had the security tape of the incident.

Anyway, to keep a long story from getting longer, by the time we went to circuit court, the whole thing got nolle prossed because I was COMPLETELY innocent, there was nothing on the tape, and these little scumbags refused to cooperate with the SA. Best part, the arrest record is in the process of being expunged, which means this little weasel, jerk-off cop doesn't get to keep it on his record.

[cast iron shore]

...I spend the day in jail.....

What a nightmare for you and for your son to have to see all that.

[cast iron shore]

dunno if any of u ever lived in Europe. I lived in Greece for 2.5 years and drove in an around Athens quite a bit. The driving there is a bit "different" than the orderly process in the states.

Never lived in Europe, but it sounds like driving in Japan. A red light or stop sign apparently means "speed up" and getting cut off within an inch of your life in traffic is the norm. Yikes.

[snoack]

What a nightmare for you and for your son to have to see all that.

poor kid was 9 years old. Worst part was that this cop had a smile on his face the whole time, he was ENJOYING this. What kind of depraved loser gets off on making innocent people and little kids suffer?

[chodan9]

Nothing pisses me off more then when some moron does something stupid and generally dangerous in traffic, and the has the nerve to get an attitude and defensive when they're wrong. I told one of them one time "hey, shut the **** up. You screwed up, you have no right to say anything"

in that vein:

a little over a year ago, I was driving home with my son from school. I'm pulling up to a stop sign, and I see this guy in a car about 50 feet back from the stop sign. Anyway, he sees me pulling up to the sign and starts to speed up. I go through, and he is absolutely freaking out behind my, yelling, screaming, acting like a total jackass. Anyway we're going up a sharp, blind curve to the left in a residential neighborhood, and this asswad PASSES and starts jamming his brakes on. Keep in mind, it's about 3:30 in the afternoon, there are elementary school-age kids all over the place, not to mention my son is in my truck with me (who was 9). Anyway, I pull into the parking lot behind this guy (he's a piazza delivery guy for some local chokenpuke carry out place) get out of my car and into his face...SCREAMING at him. A couple of his ignorant little buddies come running out, one keeps reaching up under his shirt like he has a gun and theratens to shoot me AND my kid. Now, keep in mind that, had I wanted to, I could have easily crushed all 3 of these little cockroaches, but I didn't. Nothing but angry words and arguing.

An hour later, a couple cops show up at my door. I had already written down the details of the incident, so I talked to the cop and gave it to him. He said he would complete his investigation within 48 hours and contact me at that time if there was anything further that would be taking place-

flash forward 7 weeks-

I'm taking my son to his summer camp program. This cop has just pulled into my parking lot. I'm not even thinking about it, because, having been stupid enough to take a cop at his word, I think he can't possibly be looking for me. Anyway, he follows me out to the highway, pulls me over, and ARRESTS me right in front of my kid. As I find out, I'm being charged with-

1 count of 1st degree assault
1 count of reckless endagerment
2 counts of 2nd degree assault
1 count of malicious damage

on top of this, he's just a complete ******* about it. I spend the day in jail. I go to court in September, my lawyer has it moved to circuit court. The prosecuter attempts to bluff me into pleading guilty by offering me a weekend in jail and financial restitution to fix the guy's car (this was really funny- in the cop's report he said that, in his expert opinion, the damage that he was shown on the guy's car was consistent with a kick- I was wearing slide-on, open toe sandals, and the guy's car was a 15 year old Volvo 850, kicking this thing hard enough to dent it would have broken several bones in my foot), claiming that they had the security tape of the incident.

Anyway, to keep a long story from getting longer, by the time we went to circuit court, the whole thing got nolle prossed because I was COMPLETELY innocent, there was nothing on the tape, and these little scumbags refused to cooperate with the SA. Best part, the arrest record is in the process of being expunged, which means this little weasel, jerk-off cop doesn't get to keep it on his record.

Did you regret later putting your child in danger?

[bbgonnabe]

We have road rage shootings here in Phoenix about every week! Glad the guys weren't nuts!

[TWright]

Is it true we lose our testosterone as we age? It doesn't seem so here at O/T forums. = )

[Guff]

Where to start here. I've been refraining from posting here.

One- you don't have to "whoop someone's ass" once a year to be part of the man club
Two- Just because you don't get into fights on a weekly basis does not mean you are a doormat, a wuss, a puss or feminine.
Three- in todays world the chances are that your mono-e-mono scrap will lead to you getting shot or knifed. Oh, you don't mind getting cut or shot because you are a "man"? Sounds to me that you are stupid.

Short story, when I was a senior a good friend of mine went off on this rampage..I guess he wanted to show how tough he was so he was starting fights on a daily basis with people. He was a bully as he would always pick on the smaller kids and none of the tough guys, I personally think he was trying to earn the rep as a tough guy, but he wasn't. One morning about 4 a.m. a local mail lady was driving in to work and drove around a sack of garbage in the road, turned out it wasn't garbage it was my friend Jesse. Someone had clubbed him in the head and then through him out of a moving car. This was in 1988. Last I heard (8 or so years ago) Jesse was doing well, he was starting to learn how to play "paddycake" and could now say the word "shoe". Yeh, he was a tough guy alright.

I'm in confrontations almost daily in my job. Do they come to fists? No, I'm much smarter then that. Does it make me any less of a man because I haven't had a fist fight since I was in my 20's? Well lemme see. I've studied BJJ, I'm a war veteran, and I lift weights. What else do I need to be part of the "man club"?

[bodyhard]

What else do I need to be part of the "man club"?

Cojones :D :D :D


Just messing with you man, don't need another one on my list :eek:

[snoack]

Did you regret later putting your child in danger?


If I had it to take back I would...but ONLY for that reason.

[snoack]

Where to start here. I've been refraining from posting here.

One- you don't have to "whoop someone's ass" once a year to be part of the man club
Two- Just because you don't get into fights on a weekly basis does not mean you are a doormat, a wuss, a puss or feminine.
Three- in todays world the chances are that your mono-e-mono scrap will lead to you getting shot or knifed. Oh, you don't mind getting cut or shot because you are a "man"? Sounds to me that you are stupid.

Short story, when I was a senior a good friend of mine went off on this rampage..I guess he wanted to show how tough he was so he was starting fights on a daily basis with people. He was a bully as he would always pick on the smaller kids and none of the tough guys, I personally think he was trying to earn the rep as a tough guy, but he wasn't. One morning about 4 a.m. a local mail lady was driving in to work and drove around a sack of garbage in the road, turned out it wasn't garbage it was my friend Jesse. Someone had clubbed him in the head and then through him out of a moving car. This was in 1988. Last I heard (8 or so years ago) Jesse was doing well, he was starting to learn how to play "paddycake" and could now say the word "shoe". Yeh, he was a tough guy alright.

I'm in confrontations almost daily in my job. Do they come to fists? No, I'm much smarter then that. Does it make me any less of a man because I haven't had a fist fight since I was in my 20's? Well lemme see. I've studied BJJ, I'm a war veteran, and I lift weights. What else do I need to be part of the "man club"?

Exactly.

I kind of find the cold, dead-eye 1,000 mile stare works a lot better. Really un-nerves people and doesn't require me to say a word or lift a finger.

[Guff]

Cojones :D :D :D


Just messing with you man, don't need another one on my list :eek:

Cajones you say? Well I have a set. I've been over 150 mph in a car, over 170 on a bike and over 1000 mph in a plane. You want cajones? Well mine are so big that I step on them sometimes! The only thing bigger then my cajones, is my common sense ;)

[V-240]

Exactly.

I kind of find the cold, dead-eye 1,000 mile stare works a lot better. Really un-nerves people and doesn't require me to say a word or lift a finger.

That usually works well for guys like us (over 6 feet tall and over 250 lbs)!

However, if that fails and bullets start to fly, we have a much harder time getting out of the way! :)

[John Prophet]

I'm in confrontations almost daily in my job. Do they come to fists? No, I'm much smarter then that. Does it make me any less of a man because I haven't had a fist fight since I was in my 20's? Well lemme see. I've studied BJJ, I'm a war veteran, and I lift weights. What else do I need to be part of the "man club"?


Cajones you say? Well I have a set. I've been over 150 mph in a car, over 170 on a bike and over 1000 mph in a plane. You want cajones? Well mine are so big that I step on them sometimes! The only thing bigger then my cajones, is my common sense ;)

u trying to convince us or yourself?

[Wayne Evans]

I'm in confrontations almost daily in my job. Do they come to fists? No, I'm much smarter then that. Does it make me any less of a man because I haven't had a fist fight since I was in my 20's? Well lemme see. I've studied BJJ, I'm a war veteran, and I lift weights. What else do I need to be part of the "man club"?

Astute response......and repped (especially for your service)

Later all....

[Guff]

u trying to convince us or yourself?

Neither