Where do you guys get your workouts for your clients?

[DaJager_Meister]

Do you just put something together base on your general knowledge and your client's goals or do you just pull something from a magazine or somebody you know?


Reason I ask is this: I see this trainer today at my gym training a guy in his 50's with his son who is about 15-16ish, and they were doing the EXACT workout out of the M&F I got in the mail last week. I knew it looked familliar, and as soon as I got home I double checked and sure enough, rep for rep and set for set the same exact workout. I mean sure use it as a general guideline but EXACTLY the same with no variatioin???? come on.......

Personally I would be kind of pissed if I found out my trainer was using some program from a magazine on me, why pay him when I can buy a 5 dollar mag?

So where do you guys get your workouts....

[jules_d1]

All my workouts are different and tailored to my clients.

If you cannot construct a sound program specific to each of your clients, you have no right to be a personal trainer.

Some of my clients may have similar programs but that will be if they are similar clients.

I find that lazy and misleading. People come ot you for your expertise in this feild, not you ability to read a magazine.

[EMISGOD]

All my workouts are different and tailored to my clients.

If you cannot construct a sound program specific to each of your clients, you have no right to be a personal trainer.

Some of my clients may have similar programs but that will be if they are similar clients.

I find that lazy and misleading. People come ot you for your expertise in this feild, not you ability to read a magazine.

Co-signed.

[John Prophet]

out of my noggin

[mrgeecue]

based on my knowledge attained throughout the years and through my certs. yea each client has a different workout. some maybe similiar, but never the same.

[DaJager_Meister]

see this is what I thought, I was pretty pissed off when I realized what the guy was doing. I mean thats just plain lazy IMO. I was pretty tempted to say something to him but I kept my cool lol.

[Sikk]

flex magazine

:>:>

[guitarua]

I agree that is lame. I would at the very least try a program out on myself before pushing it onto clients. Nothing wrong with trying new things, but not untested on a client, that is poor training.

Also, I feel that clients also come to trainers in order to be PUSHED and held accountable. If someone has motivation enough to buy a magazine and try out a routine on their own, then they have more drive/interest/will power than 90% of people. Just my opinion.

[Environ]

I would never take a random workout and give it to someone. That's wholly unprofessional. Any trainer who has taken the trouble to get a decent certificaiton should be fully au fait with client assessment and programme design.

That said, I HAVE used training principles and applied them where I felt they were appropriate (e.g. German Volume Training, 5x5, variable velocity training). But, to plagarise a programme out of a magazine and SELL it as your own (which is what you do if you give someone a programme you got out of a magazine and don't tell them where you got it) is just wrong.

[dasixthsun]

I would never take a random workout and give it to someone. That's wholly unprofessional. Any trainer who has taken the trouble to get a decent certificaiton should be fully au fait with client assessment and programme design.

That said, I HAVE used training principles and applied them where I felt they were appropriate (e.g. German Volume Training, 5x5, variable velocity training). But, to plagarise a programme out of a magazine and SELL it as your own (which is what you do if you give someone a programme you got out of a magazine and don't tell them where you got it) is just wrong.

Unfortunately some of these certification dont go into program design as i seen a trainer about to have a morbidly obese women do walking lunges until i stopped him. this past week the same trainer had a woman doing backwards walking lunges and needless to say she fell and everyone in the gym could see what happened. I took an accredited course and they didnt cover program design to well. Lucky enough i took the issa course before and they make sure you are competent in that area. I see countless errors made by trainers. This one female trainer trains every client the same way. supersets and plyometrics and a lot of her clients are obese and older so imagine a 250lb woman doing jump ups onto a box and superseting that with hanging leg raises with no break in between sets.

[HardGainer82]

Unfortunately some of these certification dont go into program design as i seen a trainer about to have a morbidly obese women do walking lunges until i stopped him. this past week the same trainer had a woman doing backwards walking lunges and needless to say she fell and everyone in the gym could see what happened. I took an accredited course and they didnt cover program design to well. Lucky enough i took the issa course before and they make sure you are competent in that area. I see countless errors made by trainers. This one female trainer trains every client the same way. supersets and plyometrics and a lot of her clients are obese and older so imagine a 250lb woman doing jump ups onto a box and superseting that with hanging leg raises with no break in between sets.

That's ridiculous...doesn't she at least use the RPE? Cripes.

[EMISGOD]

I see people sometimes bringing magazines into the gym. It can be good for a nice change of pace, for advanced exercisers, but if people brought them to me, I'd tell them that we were together to work out, not to talk about entertainment magazines, though we could also discuss it during a consultation period, if they wished or maybe after the workout if I had time (usually didn't)...I felt this was an attempt to undercut my services (you could buy a stack of magazines for what I was charging, honestly) and I was having none of it. They were free to leave, but not so free to come back and none of them dared test those particular waters...

[dasixthsun]

That's ridiculous...doesn't she at least use the RPE? Cripes.

Nope. See most of the trainers there Get the AAAI/ISMA certification which is a one day course where no manuals are sent out and the instructor gives you the answers to the test 5 mins before you take it. So i doubt that she even knows what rpe even stands for

[masterdel]

Jager:
First of all the ACE and the ISSA are the first to claim they do not really teach personal trainers how to teach lifting. Their goal is to keep you from killing a guy who just finished a case of beer and a pack of cigaretes. A direct quote from a doctor at ACE.
The other problem a personal trainer has to face are years of old school training, steroid denial magazines that are still pressed with injury inducing training techniques. Then of course all personal trainers are ill equipped to train athletes.
After 36 years of coaching athletes from all over the world with all new concepts in weightlifting training for the pro, colleges and olympic athlete, I can assure you that every athlete is different and needs to be addressed in mind, body, diet, center, impetus of movement techniques for power and strength, isolation techniques of thought and muscle, movement breakdowns for each individual sport and address a program for this isolation not to mention endurance training and the natural course for maximum testosterone development and protein synthesis into muscle for men.
I have a different workout program for each athlete after the exercise methodology is attained. You do not find workouts lad you develop them for each athlete.
I coach a large # of personal trainers due to the fact they feel ill prepared to coach and actually be a serious trainer. below are my Certification Requirements to coach my program. I thought you might like to see the cutting edge.
Respectfully,
Masterdel


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