Best Overall Pre-Workout Energy/Pump Supplement?

[berduderunner]

N.O. Xplode - 6.5/10
Nano Vapr - 7/10
PMD Platinum Pump Fuel - 8/10
SuperPump 250 - 8.5/10

NONE of these have bothered my stomach...

[Ad32]

wow thats all i have to say about white flood

so today it was chest day, sets of 3s
took it about 15 min before workout

this was my best workout for chest ive ever had no doubt
the pumps were amazin and i was so focused

i did alot more for sets of 3 than ive ever done i was so surprised and so were my peers

i felt absolutely no crashes at all, like i felt with no xplode or no rare runs to the bathroom that i had once in awhile with no xplode

also omg, the taste was delicious too, i wasnt expecting that but it tasted so good in my opinion

after i was done my body was a bit tired but my mind was still in the liftin mode, with no xplode i felt tired and so crashed after my workout and didnt want to do anything

im definately no expert in lifting or supplements, but thats just truly how my experience was today with white flood , just excellent

im definately looking forward to trying out other products from controlled labs after this if they are anything like white flood

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[nalder89]

ya'll should try armageddon, by starchem labs. gave me mad strength and endurance.

[Tial]

Just did my first big purchase but had a question.

I will be taking Reduction as well with my other supplements which is White Flood, Green Mag, Purple Wrath and my ON Whey Protein.

I will be taking Reduction in the morning when i go to work and then when i drive to workout i will be taking my WF and GM.

On Saturdays, i usually work out in the morning so should i take WF and GM first then workout then take Reduction? I am not sure when to take it because from my understanding there needs to be a certain amount of hours between taking both.

[furyhockey]

Just did my first big purchase but had a question.

I will be taking Reduction as well with my other supplements which is White Flood, Green Mag, Purple Wrath and my ON Whey Protein.

I will be taking Reduction in the morning when i go to work and then when i drive to workout i will be taking my WF and GM.

On Saturdays, i usually work out in the morning so should i take WF and GM first then workout then take Reduction? I am not sure when to take it because from my understanding there needs to be a certain amount of hours between taking both.


What time do you workout on sat mornings?

[JEcc]

ok guys first time being on a forum but ive been taking pre-workout supps for almost 3 years and im coming to a point i cant find one that works as well as when i started. Started on No Explode it gave amazing focus, then Black Powder, NO shotgun, Superpump 250, and Nano Vapor all of which just didint do much. Also when i tried to increase dose i got sick mid workout. Im on nothing right now and need a fresh start. You're talking alot about white Flood.... is this a good next me for me?..... i need the focus that i used to have

[MrAnaconda]

JE.... Once you try WF you'll never go back brother!

[Tial]

What time do you workout on sat mornings?


Any where between 7-9am.

[whitehorizon]

I have tried NO Xplode. It was good gave me focus and gave me energy. My only problem is with the throwing up feeling I got when Id do squats and deadlifts and other exercises of that nature. I couldn't stand that about it. I am going to look into this White Flood though.

[mmhoneycutt]

Hey guys, could someone recommend me an energy booster? I'm a noob, haha.

I'm a 128 pound, 5'4" girl looking to lean out and gain some lean muscle. I'm not trying to be a fitness model or anything.

But the thing is that I have a frickin insane tolerance for energy boosters. I got a sample of White Flood and was going to do the full dose, but some acquaintance begged me to only take half, saying I'd be insane on a full dose. Against my better judgment I took 4 capsules and barely felt anything.

I've taken Juggernaut once and got a teensy increase, but not much.

So, any suggestions?

[X_IGoHard_X]

Hey guys, could someone recommend me an energy booster? I'm a noob, haha.

I'm a 128 pound, 5'4" girl looking to lean out and gain some lean muscle. I'm not trying to be a fitness model or anything.

But the thing is that I have a frickin insane tolerance for energy boosters. I got a sample of White Flood and was going to do the full dose, but some acquaintance begged me to only take half, saying I'd be insane on a full dose. Against my better judgment I took 4 capsules and barely felt anything.

I've taken Juggernaut once and got a teensy increase, but not much.

So, any suggestions?

Cellucors NO Zero. By far the best, you pay for what you get! Check out the web site! Call up the number on the web site and give them the code sp047 and they will hook you up with samples. Hope this helps?

[PureWarrior]

Universal Nutrition Shock Therapy good price, good pump, good focus, good energy. Probably best pump from a pre workout that ive had better than superpump 250, no-xplode, and black powder.

[lqcorsa]

Preworkout Supps I've tried:

naNO Vapor: 7/10 VERY vascular, felt a huge heat wave hit me before lifting, made my face all tingly, pretty good pumps, good strength increase but terrible/negative affect on endurance and made me crash afterwards.

Altered State: 0/10: Felt absolutely nothing. Returned product.

NO Xplode: 6/10: Semi-okay pump, not very vascular though, not alot of strength increase.

SuperPump 250: ?/10 I really wish I would have picked a different flavor of this stuff. The taste was absolutely horrible, I could never finish a shake, made my stomach hurt like hell, and I even threw up a shake once, but the first few times I was able to finish it, I had great strength increases and energy increases, not a great pump though.

Animal Pump: 8/10 Very nice pump, plenty of creatine.

White Flood: 6/10 Similar pump to Animal's, probably a little less though.

Hemodraulix: 10/10 Fantastic pump and energy. First time since I began working out that I was so pumped it was UNCOMFORTABLE. Felt like I could lift all day.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White Flood was great.........i got no crashes on it. Real clean feeling energy, dunno if that makes sense. Ill say this i didnt get a really a pump with it like say i did with SuperPump250 but the energy and strength was there. It was like great Focus and Power.


Let me try and make myself more clear.........ok like with superpump250 i felt AMPED..............like with WF i just felt relaxed and focus.......honestly i didnt even feel energized but when i got under some weight i felt super focused and i surprised myself with how much i could go and also put up.

hope i kind made of made myself clear.........sorry if i didnt. btw i was only doing 1 scoop.......i never did more than 1 scoop each use. im 200lbs 6'1"
awesome, but try 2 scoops (2 scoops = 1 serving as per the bottle), and that is where you will get some great pumps as well.

wow thats all i have to say about white flood

so today it was chest day, sets of 3s
took it about 15 min before workout

this was my best workout for chest ive ever had no doubt
the pumps were amazin and i was so focused

i did alot more for sets of 3 than ive ever done i was so surprised and so were my peers

i felt absolutely no crashes at all, like i felt with no xplode or no rare runs to the bathroom that i had once in awhile with no xplode

also omg, the taste was delicious too, i wasnt expecting that but it tasted so good in my opinion

after i was done my body was a bit tired but my mind was still in the liftin mode, with no xplode i felt tired and so crashed after my workout and didnt want to do anything

im definately no expert in lifting or supplements, but thats just truly how my experience was today with white flood , just excellent

im definately looking forward to trying out other products from controlled labs after this if they are anything like white flood
awesome, the amazing white flood feedback keeps on rolling in :)

Just did my first big purchase but had a question.

I will be taking Reduction as well with my other supplements which is White Flood, Green Mag, Purple Wrath and my ON Whey Protein.

I will be taking Reduction in the morning when i go to work and then when i drive to workout i will be taking my WF and GM.

On Saturdays, i usually work out in the morning so should i take WF and GM first then workout then take Reduction? I am not sure when to take it because from my understanding there needs to be a certain amount of hours between taking both.
just space reduction am and white flood out by 4-5 hours. if that means taking reduction am before lunch, that is fine

ok guys first time being on a forum but ive been taking pre-workout supps for almost 3 years and im coming to a point i cant find one that works as well as when i started. Started on No Explode it gave amazing focus, then Black Powder, NO shotgun, Superpump 250, and Nano Vapor all of which just didint do much. Also when i tried to increase dose i got sick mid workout. Im on nothing right now and need a fresh start. You're talking alot about white Flood.... is this a good next me for me?..... i need the focus that i used to have


I have tried NO Xplode. It was good gave me focus and gave me energy. My only problem is with the throwing up feeling I got when Id do squats and deadlifts and other exercises of that nature. I couldn't stand that about it. I am going to look into this White Flood though.

I think you will both enjoy white flood, at least give the half size tub a shot :)

[ctAL860]

SORRY CONTROLLED LABS

I SAID 1 SCOOP, I MEANT TO SAY I NEVER DID MORE THAN 2 SCOOPS.

Id like to say also the energy and focus lasted the whole workout, even on superpump which was great you could feel it coming down. WF I never felt that. I forced myself to leave the gym. Stuff really put me in the zone. Great product.

and yes i def got pump but it wasnt like superpump pump.....thats not a bad thing at all.....the pump took longer and it wasnt TOO much. i liked it it, it just kicked it later in the work out.

[stuckinbfe]

I honestly think, from my experience so far, Black Powder was great. 9/10, after a year of using it. There is plenty of an energy kick without it being a jittery NanoVapor-ish experience. I took it for a year, and never n eeded more than a scoop and a half or two scoops to get the same results as day one. The orange and fruit punch both taste tolerable, like 6/10. Its a small serving, so you can choke back the 4-6oz of it if you hate it. The strength gains were steady, but the big gains you get are in middle-to-late set endurance. You get done with a 4th set of military presses or upright rows, where your whole upper body aches, and 20 seconds later you feel fresh. Great, no beta alanine tingle (not to knock beta alanine), and all in all a great beginner product. I also loved universal's animal pump, really pounded the weights the couple paks i tried. Researching new ones to mix it up and get a new supplement regimen, and so far the green apple m5 for cellucor, animal pump, and believe it or not, cytonox from the xenadrine guys, they are all great. Looking forward to sampling the new products and seeing what comes next!

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[CONTROLLED LABS]

SORRY CONTROLLED LABS

I SAID 1 SCOOP, I MEANT TO SAY I NEVER DID MORE THAN 2 SCOOPS.

Id like to say also the energy and focus lasted the whole workout, even on superpump which was great you could feel it coming down. WF I never felt that. I forced myself to leave the gym. Stuff really put me in the zone. Great product.

and yes i def got pump but it wasnt like superpump pump.....thats not a bad thing at all.....the pump took longer and it wasnt TOO much. i liked it it, it just kicked it later in the work out.

ok, thought something sounded odd there :D

glad you enjoyed white flood :)

[natlajoie]

I've tried a number of pre workout supplement. MHP TRAC NO is one I like. I don't think this particular product is really popular, because I rarely see it mentioned. Gave decent pumps and energy. It taste like kid vitamins though. Of course I've tried NO xplode, this stuff has been the harshest on my stomach, and gives me caffiene headaches. I don't really like that one. Nano vapor is good, but it cost too much for me.. My favorite right now is Controlled labs White flood. I'm only using 4-6 tabs right now, and it's working like a charm. Pre workout right now, I'm taking white flood tabs, with glycerglow and green mag. Gets me going everytime. Then I'll combine it with purple wraath during the workout. All of it works very well together.

[Danger_Close]

so guys i just got superpump and tried it. I felt nothing, at all. But i did eat a cliff bar minutes or even seconds before drinking the superpump. Do you guys think that why I felt nothing?

[fidoos]

rpm by applied neutricals great energy no crash good pumps great strength increases.

[Big B Bro]

Creatine; something a 15 year old like me would say.

[MrAnaconda]

Danger.. i used to use SP a couple years back. Thought it was so so. You may have to try another scoop. Once i switched to WF... i was glad i did.

[J-Cubed]

Controlled Labs Glycergrow. The pumps are amazing and my vascularity has gone up a lot. Great supp.

[x Idealist x]

I have tried Many Pre-Workout products . NO-xplode, SP250, MyoShock, CytoNOx, White Flood and I have nothing against any of these but truthfully the thing that gives me a good pump and great energy in the gym is Emergen-C! Very cost effective as well $9 for 30 servings.

If you dont have a lot of money to spend like me being in college and all I would say that it is definitely worth a try especially because you will not be out anything.

[Jattfusion]

AL8... try 2 scoops..... Pumps Galore brother!

thats what im waitin for.. cant wait till my order drops

[SalsaDancer817]

So is superpump 250 worth it or not? I've been using it for about a week. Is it o.k. to take it on a regular basis??

[MrAnaconda]

I thought SP was decent. Not a bad product. I took it only workout days when i took it. I just got much better results with White Flood. Fantastic stuff.

[lqcorsa]

I must be one of the only guys on here who hasn't gotten really anything out of White Flood.

Hemodraulix is still the best on the market IMO.

[DePaulLaw222]

In order of effectiveness

Dark Rage
SuperPump 250
CytoNox
Nano Vapor
NO Explode
NO Plasmacore


I currently have some White Flood but have yet to try it. Heard great things though. Dark Rage so far has been awesome though.

[martialartguy]

Where do you buy your protein and creatine for high quality and good prices?

Just wondering....


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[Get_JackedUP]

Have tried countless PWO's.

Must say that most of them are overrated on their own, almost always. Never really liked any one, sort of preferred WTF pump'd if I had to say anyone of them solely on their own.

What I really do like though is the combo of some stims earlier in the day (for example 2Hyperdrives) and then about 15mins preworkout 55g Olimp Massacra +11g Glycergrow. Mad pumps and like the fact that it's only about 100mg's of caffeine with the massacra which just gives me enough of a topping to the hyperdrive.

As I said, tried A LOT of PWO's, and not really impressed with any, unless you stack with something else.
And my first choice is always going to be some sort of a more pure stimulant (AMP V.1 I liked the best, Hyperdrive is in my opinion a great choice while cutting, which is what I'm doing now, for an all-day energy support).
But to me, to get anything worthwhile out of a PWO the best would be to find something you like and then combine with good choices in food that provide you with ample "base-energy" and then perhaps stack with some other products. I've always gotten great results, while cutting, from stacking an EAA-supplement, a Stim and/or a PWO with the likes of Alpha Lipoic Acid and ALC and 7-keto, +some creatine-product for post-wo and off-days...

[ricka182]

Where do you buy your protein and creatine for high quality and good prices?

Just wondering....

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bb.com store. best prices, best service, insanely fast shipping.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've tried a number of pre workout supplement. MHP TRAC NO is one I like. I don't think this particular product is really popular, because I rarely see it mentioned. Gave decent pumps and energy. It taste like kid vitamins though. Of course I've tried NO xplode, this stuff has been the harshest on my stomach, and gives me caffiene headaches. I don't really like that one. Nano vapor is good, but it cost too much for me.. My favorite right now is Controlled labs White flood. I'm only using 4-6 tabs right now, and it's working like a charm. Pre workout right now, I'm taking white flood tabs, with glycerglow and green mag. Gets me going everytime. Then I'll combine it with purple wraath during the workout. All of it works very well together.
awesome to hear you like white flood so much :)

Controlled Labs Glycergrow. The pumps are amazing and my vascularity has gone up a lot. Great supp.
glycergrow is very underrated. it gives great pumps, but its not for energy.

In order of effectiveness

Dark Rage
SuperPump 250
CytoNox
Nano Vapor
NO Explode
NO Plasmacore


I currently have some White Flood but have yet to try it. Heard great things though. Dark Rage so far has been awesome though.

please keep us posted when you try white flood

[MrAnaconda]

I added Gylcergrow to my CL stack about a week ago. Down it with my WF/GM combo. I wanted to test it for a week . And i gotta say, these three combined are just really insane. Pump is an understatement. And you get TONS of product. And this was just 1 little scoop!

[brian56003]

I have taken SP250, NO Shotgun, and NO Explode and I feel like they're all pretty interchangeable. I really had my best results from Black Powder by MRI, but even the effects of that have tapered after taking it daily. Black Powder worked really well with PlasmaJet.

The next product I'm trying is going to be Arnge Krush by Biorhythm which I plan to start this week.

[kawa636r]

Has anyone tried the new N.O. Loaded from GNC? I'm taking the vpx and just started with the N.O. explode with 1 wo. Find out for round 2 in a follow up in a day. but i was planning on switching every other week to not get too immune

[DePaulLaw222]

I work at GNC and have yet to sell a unit of it yet. I do have a coworker who has tried it and though it is effective, there is nothing to set it apart from all the other run of the mill pwo's. There are a decent amount of servings per bottle though (45). It usually runs 59.99 but buy it during gc week and its like $48...not too shabby per serving especially considering you won't have to up your intake to 2 or 3 "servings" as you work through the bottle like you do with sp250 or noxplode

[getbiig]

what would u guys suggest? animal pump or sp250

[fischetti]

what would u guys suggest? animal pump or sp250

White Flood!as good as both of them if not better,def better value!

[Ravishing_Rick]

no xplode make me have to a sh*t before i workout ever time ..........

[kawa636r]

Really? I work at GNC too and I've sold more of those then anything else. Just no feedback yet. It looks good and like you said slot of servings for the new sale price. I just jumped in the game of N.O. So that's why I was wondering.

[gunzz]

I love the products APS Nutrition has out. They do not get much exposure, at least not yet. There Mesomorph is awesome! Doesn't have stims in this batch round, but supposedly their new one will and it will be fruit punch.

But the Mesomorph pumps and focus factor were awesome. With added stims this product will take over the NO scene.

Also, not a big fan of NO pills, but took there new round of PLASMAGEN NITRATE. WOW. This stuff had me so pumped even before working out. I felt a warm rush come over and then the tingling started. Then a few minutes later the pump started. WIll definatly keep buying some.

Old batch was good but this is even waaay better. Get it and try it. Won't be disappointed.

[DePaulLaw222]

Really? I work at GNC too and I've sold more of those then anything else. Just no feedback yet. It looks good and like you said slot of servings for the new sale price. I just jumped in the game of N.O. So that's why I was wondering.



Are you just a sales assc. or are you making coms on gnc products? I dunno, I'm just a sales associate and I'd rather sell a Dark Rage for double the pms when I know its a product that works than sell a new product that is more expensive, has lower pms, and I have no clue if it works or not. I have no problem selling an item that makes me less money if its something the customer wants, but I'm not going to push something that I have no clue if its effective.

[Xeoxis]

I agree, Dark Rage is absolutely nuts. I mean NO shotgun is good, but once your body gets used to it..The 'rush' doesn't feel as strong. Although, I think cycling products is definitely a good thing as a word of advise.

[kawa636r]

No.. I'm a manager. But I'm in a low volume store so 1. I don't have but a few selections and 2. I don't lie to them about it I just introduce it, but which also means I've prolly sold 3 N.O. Supplements in the past month LOL........ Yea it sucks. Have you tried the wheybolic or even the new amp?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White Flood!as good as both of them if not better,def better value!

glad you gave it a shot and that you love it :)

[DePaulLaw222]

No.. I'm a manager. But I'm in a low volume store so 1. I don't have but a few selections and 2. I don't lie to them about it I just introduce it, but which also means I've prolly sold 3 N.O. Supplements in the past month LOL........ Yea it sucks. Have you tried the wheybolic or even the new amp?



Oh gotcha. I wasn't insinuating that you lied or anything. Yeah so I work at a Class A store, or whatever the largest one is. Its just way easier to sell stuff with a name behind it. Let me know when you get feedback on the NO Loaded. Im interested to hear how well it works.

[Pretty Boy Floyd]

Animal Pump for this guy

nothing comes close

[Saint_James]

I have tried 3 or 4 different kinds and i think White Flood is the best, focus and energy are wayy up, but i also get the worst side effects after from using it.

[justjosh]

And which is best supplement for women? As i don't need to gain weight (actually i need to lose) just need a lot of energy for my workouts.

take a full scoop of dark rage on an empty stomach about 30 minutes before you work out.

have fun ;)

[Deviant Dingo]

White Flood!as good as both of them if not better,def better value!

Im going to try it next, where did you order yours from? Im also from adelaide.


no xplode make me have to a sh*t before i workout ever time ..........

Yea its the caffiene, they ALL do it. Natural laxative.


I have tried 3 or 4 different kinds and i think White Flood is the best, focus and energy are wayy up, but i also get the worst side effects after from using it.

What side effects do you get?

The reason I ask is because ive just been using a bottle of SP250, previously I used MRI blackpowder and it gave me a really good rush, lots of fun and agressive energy, and I slept fine.

Now im using SP250 the energy is ****, it gives me jitters and makes me feel spaced out. There is absolutely no rush at all, and the worst part is the **** ****s with my sleep even 10hrs later if I have more than 1scoop. Im really dissapointed in it.

With the blackpowder I even cranked 1.5scoops which is half a scoop more than they recommend, the rush and intense energy was SO good i fkn loved it. The best thing was it wore off after a few hours. This SP250, if i could go back and return it I definately would.... But yea thats why I ask about WF side effects, not keen for a nasty suprise again.

[Warneckutz]

The reason I ask is because ive just been using a bottle of SP250, previously I used MRI blackpowder and it gave me a really good rush, lots of fun and agressive energy, and I slept fine.

DD! What flavor you using for SP250?

[gunzz]

Dark rage is great for pumps and energy, but so aweful on taste. the cola flavor should be banned!

No shotgun is good but does wear off after alot of use.

BSN NO explode sucks! Did nothing for me at all. But this is just my 2 cents.

I heard the new GAT jet fuse is really good. May have to try that next

[Briisk]

Would it be okay to try White Flood while on a cut for a preworkout supp? Also, how many pills before/after each workout??

[misterwrecker]

Has anyone tried those 5 hour energy drinks? I am wondering if they really give you a nice boost.

[Danger_Close]

who ever is thinking about sp250 DONT DO IT FAM. I know the bottle looks real cool, and the promo video makes you want to take it and work out but dont do it.

Iv been on it for about a week and i get NO rush, NO energy, and overall it was a waste of 43 bucks.

[MrAnaconda]

Danger.... i think it's time to try WF.

[Danger_Close]

yeah i think so too, it was what i was going to get at first, but then all the people praising sp250 changed my mind. so now im sitting here with a big ass tub of sp that does not do **** for me.
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[getbiig]

Decided not even to take a pump right now. Just ordered sizeon to sip during working out, and cyto gainer after woooooooohooooooo

[Marlintino]

animal pump or superpumpe 250?

[DIESEL Dave]

Only If You Have Tried Both. Give Me Your Honest Opinion, I Don't Care About Whether You Like The Company, Price, Whatever. Which Is The Better Supplement Overall For Pumps, Energy, Strength, And Size? Reps For Good Answers Explaining Why

[fischetti]

Here i go on about white flood again! anyways this stuff gives you energy for the whole day no **** and thats insane energy.

[Warneckutz]

animal pump or superpumpe 250?

*I'd* choose Animal Pump over SuperPump 250...

[Blueta]

Does No products could cause weight gain?

[MrAnaconda]

Danger ... i had that issue with a supplement once. I just sold it half price to a guy at the gym. Was good to get at least some of the money back. Yeah WF does give great focus and energy.. with 2 scoops.. i have nasty pumps too.. and they last all day for me. And no Toilet Issues =p

[snobrder_ad]

Only If You Have Tried Both. Give Me Your Honest Opinion, I Don't Care About Whether You Like The Company, Price, Whatever. Which Is The Better Supplement Overall For Pumps, Energy, Strength, And Size? Reps For Good Answers Explaining Why

I first started working out with NO Xplode and of course got the extra pump i felt the first day. After weeks on Nano Vapor i only felt pumped a handful of days. Of all the sups ive purchased, id say Nano Vapor was one of the biggest wastes of money. However im more than sure numberous people have had success with it. I believe NO Xplode is more of a solid investment and has proven more to more people to give them continuous pumps from what ive gathered.

[Warneckutz]

Only If You Have Tried Both. Give Me Your Honest Opinion, I Don't Care About Whether You Like The Company, Price, Whatever. Which Is The Better Supplement Overall For Pumps, Energy, Strength, And Size? Reps For Good Answers Explaining Why

I've tried both, not a fan of either but...

I'd give the nod to NO-Xplode over Vapor...

It didn't take long for my body to get used to NO-Xplode and I had to use 4-5 scoops to get the same effect as 1 scoop used to...

Vapor was an intense rush the first time I used it... the second time wasn't even half as good and by the 3rd time it didn't do anything...

So, just with my body, I responded better to NO-Xplode for a longer period of time versus Vapor's "quick flash".

[BABYBULL92003]

All you guys talking about Noxplode and NoVapor wearing off need to try Scivation Vasocharge!

Ive been taking it for 4-5 workout a week for a year and I still get the rush and the tingles....and I get a great pump even on low carbs. Not to mention its CHEAP!

[Warneckutz]

All you guys talking about Noxplode and NoVapor wearing off need to try Scivation Vasocharge!

Ive been taking it for 4-5 workout a week for a year and I still get the rush and the tingles....and I get a great pump even on low carbs. Not to mention its CHEAP!

I tried VasoCharge a few different times... it's got an amazing b/a rush and the pumps are OK, but my body got used to it pretty quick too. :(

[iForce Dave]

what do you guys think of Maximize? Looking for an unbiased review of the ingredients and dosages. NO PROP BLEND

typo on the citrulline and ornithine second column should be 1000mg

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/maximize.html

[Warneckutz]

what do you guys think of Maximize? Looking for an unbiased review of the ingredients and dosages. NO PROP BLEND

typo on the citrulline and ornithine second column should be 1000mg

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/maximize.html

Good Lord! It's on PRE-SALE and it's already on "Backorder"?

The flavor sounds good, "Raspberry Lemonade"... Something I'll look to experiment with after my competition. :D

[iForce Dave]

Good Lord! It's on PRE-SALE and it's already on "Backorder"?

The flavor sounds good, "Raspberry Lemonade"... Something I'll look to experiment with after my competition. :D


glad you like it!

I hope others chime in, Id like to get as much feedback as possible

[Saint_James]

What side effects do you get?

The reason I ask is because ive just been using a bottle of SP250, previously I used MRI blackpowder and it gave me a really good rush, lots of fun and agressive energy, and I slept fine.

Now im using SP250 the energy is ****, it gives me jitters and makes me feel spaced out. There is absolutely no rush at all, and the worst part is the **** ****s with my sleep even 10hrs later if I have more than 1scoop. Im really dissapointed in it.

With the blackpowder I even cranked 1.5scoops which is half a scoop more than they recommend, the rush and intense energy was SO good i fkn loved it. The best thing was it wore off after a few hours. This SP250, if i could go back and return it I definately would.... But yea thats why I ask about WF side effects, not keen for a nasty suprise again.


Well first off white flood gives you amazing pumps, i feel very focused and energy is amazing and it lasts for a while.

But everytime i take it i get lightheaded, sometimes nausous, and lately i have been getting some aniexty for 3-4 hours after i workout. Lately, which has been the worst for me and the reason why im going to take a break from it is this weird almost bladder problem. This may just be a side effect for me and me only, but i ended up going to bathroom about 15-20 times in school (7:30-2:15). I only had a little less than .5 gallon of water before/during/after my workout. I would get the feeling that im about to piss my pants, so i'd run to the bathroom and i'd only dribble a little and this happened over 15 times in a school day.

This was actually the other day, and it ended up lasting until 3pm when i took it around 5:30 am. Just terrible aniexty and weird bladder problem? with only taking 3/4 a serving.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have tried 3 or 4 different kinds and i think White Flood is the best, focus and energy are wayy up, but i also get the worst side effects after from using it.
glad to hear it :)

Would it be okay to try White Flood while on a cut for a preworkout supp? Also, how many pills before/after each workout??
absolutely, important to keep energy up while on a caloric deficit (8 tabs = 2 scoops = 1 serving preworkout)

Danger.... i think it's time to try WF.
you speak the truth :D

Here i go on about white flood again! anyways this stuff gives you energy for the whole day no **** and thats insane energy.
the truth from down under ;)

Well first off white flood gives you amazing pumps, i feel very focused and energy is amazing and it lasts for a while.

But everytime i take it i get lightheaded, sometimes nausous, and lately i have been getting some aniexty for 3-4 hours after i workout. Lately, which has been the worst for me and the reason why im going to take a break from it is this weird almost bladder problem. This may just be a side effect for me and me only, but i ended up going to bathroom about 15-20 times in school (7:30-2:15). I only had a little less than .5 gallon of water before/during/after my workout. I would get the feeling that im about to piss my pants, so i'd run to the bathroom and i'd only dribble a little and this happened over 15 times in a school day.

This was actually the other day, and it ended up lasting until 3pm when i took it around 5:30 am. Just terrible aniexty and weird bladder problem? with only taking 3/4 a serving.

sounds like you may have a urinary tract infection, that wouldnt be related. for lightheaded feeling take it with a small carb meal (rice cake or granola bar)

[pac2488]

Only If You Have Tried Both. Give Me Your Honest Opinion, I Don't Care About Whether You Like The Company, Price, Whatever. Which Is The Better Supplement Overall For Pumps, Energy, Strength, And Size? Reps For Good Answers Explaining Why

Ive used both No xplode and nano... of the two I'd go with No xplode. It have me huge pumps, energy and focus. Nano Vapor gave me a good pump but it made a little light headed and nausous

Right now im taking USP LABS JACK3D and this stuff is pretty amazing... best pre work out ive ever used

[whitehorizon]

I got some White flood, Purple Wraath and have been using it for two days now. That shyt makes me feel like super man in the gym. My energy is helping me lift more already. I have the pills for white flood, kinda horse like. The purple wraath I mixed with 33 oz of water and it tasted like crap, it recommends 40 did that today and it was fine.

After two days though I can't complain it has raised my energy, focus, strength and motivation. The Purple Wraath gave me the same feeling of my foot being asleep but allover not before but during and a little after workout.

[gijoseph07]

Tried Nitrix and Animal Pump before..Both products seemed to work well but Animal Pump was better...Probably going to give White Flood a try next

[ironjim53113]

can anyone recommend a great pre workout supplement with no carbs in it? i'm on a palumbo diet and can't have carbs. not looking for pills either. has anyone tried scivation vasocharge with good results.

[Deviant Dingo]

DD! What flavor you using for SP250?

I got fruit punch bro, the taste is ok, the product is meh... My black powder tasted fantastic.


who ever is thinking about sp250 DONT DO IT FAM. I know the bottle looks real cool, and the promo video makes you want to take it and work out but dont do it.

Iv been on it for about a week and i get NO rush, NO energy, and overall it was a waste of 43 bucks.

Same dude, I dont get energy or rush from SP250. I just get nausea, sleeplessness and fukd up anxiety. To get any type of rush i have to down 3scoops and im 74kg.... Not impressed at all. Wasnt impressed with sizeon either, gave me sugar crash.


Here i go on about white flood again! anyways this stuff gives you energy for the whole day no **** and thats insane energy.

The whole day??? Fuk that doesnt sound like what I want.


Well first off white flood gives you amazing pumps, i feel very focused and energy is amazing and it lasts for a while.

But everytime i take it i get lightheaded, sometimes nausous, and lately i have been getting some aniexty for 3-4 hours after i workout. Lately, which has been the worst for me and the reason why im going to take a break from it is this weird almost bladder problem. This may just be a side effect for me and me only, but i ended up going to bathroom about 15-20 times in school (7:30-2:15). I only had a little less than .5 gallon of water before/during/after my workout. I would get the feeling that im about to piss my pants, so i'd run to the bathroom and i'd only dribble a little and this happened over 15 times in a school day.

This was actually the other day, and it ended up lasting until 3pm when i took it around 5:30 am. Just terrible aniexty and weird bladder problem? with only taking 3/4 a serving.

Yea ive had that thing with the pee happen to me too man. It happens to me when I have a wank but I need to do a piss at the same time, i feel like i need to piss heaps bad but only droplets come out. Its really irritating. Also can relate to you with the anxiety, the SP250 literally had me up to 4.30am 3 nights now, first two nights I started having anxiety attacks cos I was so pissed off about being awake that long. Ive discovered new found sympathy for insomniacs lol. Maybe I should stick with the blackpowder, it was such a nice rush that mellowed out after a couple hours. I dont wanna be edgy and anxious all day long.

[AnabolikFaktory]

White Flood!as good as both of them if not better,def better value!

After reading so many posts like this, saying how White Flood is amazing, I decided to try it. I have tried almost every pre-workout supplement on the market over the past 2 years, and I can honestly say White Flood was the most disappointing stuff.. I understand that different products affect people differently, but I had better results with Nano Vapor, Dark Rage, etc.. And I hate jumping on the Muscletech/BSN bandwagon.. I tried taking the recommended dosage, than I tried taking extra scoops, and still nothing.. I always take 2 weeks off after finishing off a pre-workout tub, so that I don't build up a tolerance.. Oh well.. At least it tasted alright and didn't mess up my stomach like most other supplements.. I'm sure its a solid product, but I need something with more of a kick I guess... I just ordered 3lbs of MRI Black Powder to test that one out..

[CompetitiveGain]

This might sound crazy... but 5-6 days a week for a couple months strait I used the same blender bottle to take WF, rinse it out, and take sizeon intra workout.... I would go home and rinse it out multiple times in the sink and leave it to soak overnight.. then repeat the next day. It probably only saw a dish washer once a week ... so anyway i noticed a black ring of some **** growing around the side of the bottle where the cap screws on one day and didnt think anything of it... I mean my mouth doesnt go on that part.... So i left for the weekend last Saturday and forgot to get my Blender bottle out of my bag. I came back to find spore like mold, the same color as the black ring all over the inside of the bottle... I was only gone for 3 days. I rinsed out the bottle and scrubbed it with soap and water and put it through the dish washer... There are still black spot stains on the inside of the bottle? wtf??


Any input? similar thing happen to you?

[PeanutButterBan]

This might sound crazy... but 5-6 days a week for a couple months strait I used the same blender bottle to take WF, rinse it out, and take sizeon intra workout.... I would go home and rinse it out multiple times in the sink and leave it to soak overnight.. then repeat the next day. It probably only saw a dish washer once a week ... so anyway i noticed a black ring of some **** growing around the side of the bottle where the cap screws on one day and didnt think anything of it... I mean my mouth doesnt go on that part.... So i left for the weekend last Saturday and forgot to get my Blender bottle out of my bag. I came back to find spore like mold, the same color as the black ring all over the inside of the bottle... I was only gone for 3 days. I rinsed out the bottle and scrubbed it with soap and water and put it through the dish washer... There are still black spot stains on the inside of the bottle? wtf??


Any input? similar thing happen to you?
This is pretty off topic but...not to get too complicated but the variety of metabolic pathways available to bacteria are far more numerous than those available to humans. So it doesn't surprise me that it found a way to grow in a moist, humid, nutrient rich area. I wouldn't worry too much about it, it probably says more about your hygiene than the products you use (no offense).

[aapersch]

so i ordered NO Shotgun bogo, and have had 2 workouts with it so far, cant give an opinion on it yet, but it tastes like pure garbage, more realistically chlorine water with acid in it. What can i mix it with to get rid of that horrible taste, any suggestions?

i usually use Vitamin Water Revive (fruit punch) or 50/50 (grape) then again a had the Black Cherry No Shotgun.

[EllusioN]

After reading so many posts like this, saying how White Flood is amazing, I decided to try it. I have tried almost every pre-workout supplement on the market over the past 2 years, and I can honestly say White Flood was the most disappointing stuff.. I understand that different products affect people differently, but I had better results with Nano Vapor, Dark Rage, etc.. And I hate jumping on the Muscletech/BSN bandwagon.. I tried taking the recommended dosage, than I tried taking extra scoops, and still nothing.. I always take 2 weeks off after finishing off a pre-workout tub, so that I don't build up a tolerance.. Oh well.. At least it tasted alright and didn't mess up my stomach like most other supplements.. I'm sure its a solid product, but I need something with more of a kick I guess... I just ordered 3lbs of MRI Black Powder to test that one out..


same situation with white flood for me :(

[rafecup]

Tuna fish blended with Diet coke gets me fricking pump during a wo.

[jetskiier]

Got my tub of WF yesterday and used it for this mornings workout. Decent pumps and concentration...however, I have spent most of the afternoon on the toilet!! Ive NEVER had the sh**ts this bad! Ate a good starchy breakfast right before too. Real stoked that I wasted 40 bucks. Anyone else had this problem with WF?

[nalder89]

Only If You Have Tried Both. Give Me Your Honest Opinion, I Don't Care About Whether You Like The Company, Price, Whatever. Which Is The Better Supplement Overall For Pumps, Energy, Strength, And Size? Reps For Good Answers Explaining Why

Yeah i haven't dealt too much with the company's themselves, so i'm not one to promote the company, only the results from their products. here's a list of the things i've tried--no xplode, superpump 250, black powder, and now armageddon (starchem labs). no xplode was my first, used it for like 4 months, didn't have anything to compare it to, and it's been so long i don't remember. I do remember crazy dumps though. and a little light headed. then I tried superpump 250, and same side effects mentioned above. i fealt like i got better pumps, but not much energy. then I tried black powder for like 2 or 3 days, blue rasberry mixed with blue powerade is AMAZING. Fealt really healthy with it, no light headedness, no upset stomach, solid product. THEN i got back to az and ordered Armageddon from amazon, didn't know i was getting the old formula. tasted like puke on steroids. lol.

so.. I called and complained, asking if all their products taste like garbage. they sent me a free tub of their new formula, completely free. was pretty stoked about that.

something to note, I have sleep apnea so it's hard to feel any energy in the gym, even with caffeine.

But! the armageddon does keep me motivated, and I really am stronger, not just a mental thing. after about 2 weeks using it, i went up like.. 15 lbs in DB bench press. was benchin 60-65 8 times, now i'm doin 70-80 lbs.

It's hard to tell though, if it's the armageddon, because i've been on a beta alanine supp for almost 5 weeks now, which is supposed to help a TON for strength. and endurance. The one thing that attracts me to Armageddon above ANY NO product, is it's not AAKG based, it's glycerol based, so you don't have to cycle it. a good supp if you like aakg supps, and need to cycle off the arginine, but don't want to give up a preworkout all together.

[iron13th]

I find this to be friggin hilarious!! You never really seem to get anywhere in these threads!! Everybody has a different opinion!!! Geeezzz!! Granted, most people have nothin to say but good things about white flood, and superpump250...but still, come on!!! Its seems you just gotta live and learn from your own trail and error!! Friggin sucks!! I know that I'm sick and tired of this NOXplode already...doesn't do crap for me.

Has anybody here ever been on AnabolicMinds.com??? It seems that for a preworkout supplement, all they can do is talk about how great Jack3d is!! WTF...I have not even heard ONE person on here talk about that one..WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT!!! You really can't seem to get any trusted info anywhere..."personal trail and error..I'm tellin you." Just spend your entire friggin paycheck on all of em!!!

[kevin_titus]

I received a free sample of CYTONOX from BBSTORE and I must say, I am impressed. The last NOX supplement I tried years ago tasted horrible. This stuff tasted like cherry Koolaid to me....

As far as energy ius concerned, it gave me sustained power and I have been able to push myself a bit harder.

I went ahead and ordered some as I want to continue to hit the gym with this level of energy and stamina.

[dfwguy]

Tried NOxplode years back never ever did anything for me. Haven't tried it again now that I'm 28 and have less energy. Decided to try all the top names repeated in this forum and here's my personal take:

1. White Flood: hardly any sides; almost feels like nothing has kicked in until you start lifting..and then you keep lifting...and lifting.

2. Superpump250: Gives you this motivation factor..like you're ready to go. Close 2nd to white flood in terms of effectiveness.

3. Nanovapor: Did nothing with 1.5 servings. Bumped up to 3 max servings and energy was good but then made me feel really tried, light headed, went home and crashed

Still have to try NO shotgun since thats also been praised...and this Cytonox that i also got a sample of from bb.com. Everyone should definitely try white flood and superpump though. superpump was ok enough to gulp down...very tangy/sour w/ fruit punch...had to take breaks after each gulp. White flood was easy to take down...not too bad at all...prob would say the flavor is like a gatorade reject...i bet mixed with lime gatorade it'd be awesome.

[Ken29]

In from where??????bodybuilding.com i think not, when i get to checkout it declines and says that this product white flood is not allowed in your country give it a tryhttp://www.imagebungalow.com/img/Bi/b.gif




My brother is in Australia in his getting it from here

[havoc00]

Would it be okay to try White Flood while on a cut for a preworkout supp? Also, how many pills before/after each workout??


good question, how is white flood and purple wraath for a cut?

[Deviant Dingo]

good question, how is white flood and purple wraath for a cut?

What do you even mean by that? Cals in vs. cals out.... How do these supplements even factor?

Theyll probably help you train harder with less caloric energy, also help you maintain LBM.

If you dont know that for yourself though you're better off starting from the beginning and learning what the fuk you're buying.

[Deviant Dingo]

I find this to be friggin hilarious!! You never really seem to get anywhere in these threads!! Everybody has a different opinion!!! Geeezzz!! Granted, most people have nothin to say but good things about white flood, and superpump250...but still, come on!!! Its seems you just gotta live and learn from your own trail and error!! Friggin sucks!! I know that I'm sick and tired of this NOXplode already...doesn't do crap for me.

Has anybody here ever been on AnabolicMinds.com??? It seems that for a preworkout supplement, all they can do is talk about how great Jack3d is!! WTF...I have not even heard ONE person on here talk about that one..WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT!!! You really can't seem to get any trusted info anywhere..."personal trail and error..I'm tellin you." Just spend your entire friggin paycheck on all of em!!!

Not to mention 3/4 of the accounts posting have like 5 posts and joined a month ago..... wow not suss at all, gee I really wouldnt think theyd be company reps posting. You're right tho...

The best possible preworkout supp you could take would be one you make urself with ingredients you've bought, you know all the doses and what youre getting. I personally cant be arsed tho lol

[fischetti]

[QUOTE=Ken29;325328541]My brother is in Australia in his getting it from here[/QUOT That post is old mate and yes at one stage it would not be allow it to be shipped to Australia,ive just recently ordered and recived it from bodybulding.com things change:)

[Kluminati]

Has anyone tried Serum by Magnum? I just got a tub because White Flood isn't available where I am in Ontario(for some reason they only have White blood witch is a completely different product). I did really feel an energy increase and great pumps, no jitters or awkwardness,and a great taste to boot. Boosted my cardio endurance too, will post back if I still like this product in a couple weeks.

In the past I'v used Revolution Nutrition's Bulldoze Extreme(I also really liked), as well as NO Xplode witch I didn't like as much. I'm stacking with SizeOn(also really like).

Have some White Flood samples coming in the next couple weeks(I hope), so I will def. be giving that a try too, and ill be sure to update on how it compares.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/magnum/serum.html

Controlled Labs, I was just curious as to why my local Herc's in Hamilton, Ontario doesn't carry GreenMag or WhiteFlood(the two products i'd really like to try from you) yet they carry the rest of your products?

[jbrennan1991]

I know most of you don't approve of ph's, but I've just started cycling supremacy by maximus labs. It's a spawn clone that's supposed to be stonger. It's tren + havoc. I started the cycle 3 days ago, and my benching went from 145-210lbs already. It's great for a pre-workout and my intensity is through the roof. I take it with animalpack for good measure. Anyone looking to take a PH please do your research, because it can cause extensive damage if not taken properly.

[thehulk50]

can anyone recommend a great pre workout supplement with no carbs in it? i'm on a palumbo diet and can't have carbs. not looking for pills either. has anyone tried scivation vasocharge with good results.


I believe White Flood powder is carb free, also VPX N.O. Shotgun is pretty good stuff too, has a nice protein blend and delivers 20grams of protein with aminos and its a sweet supplement, give either a try, both carb free

[jdubb1500]

Despite the haters, N.O Xplode has done the job for me. I've tried liquid REDLINE by VPX and that was decent. Superdump250 tasted horrible and not as much of a pump as Xplode.

[AnabolikFaktory]

Not to mention 3/4 of the accounts posting have like 5 posts and joined a month ago..... wow not suss at all, gee I really wouldnt think theyd be company reps posting. You're right tho...

The best possible preworkout supp you could take would be one you make urself with ingredients you've bought, you know all the doses and what youre getting. I personally cant be arsed tho lol

Just because someone doesn't get on this website often and has only 6 posts does not mean they are a bad source. Some people have busy lives. I have read horrible info from people that live on this forum.. So it goes both ways..

[enswalters]

I know most of you don't approve of ph's, but I've just started cycling supremacy by maximus labs. It's a spawn clone that's supposed to be stonger. It's tren + havoc. I started the cycle 3 days ago, and my benching went from 145-210lbs already. It's great for a pre-workout and my intensity is through the roof. I take it with animalpack for good measure. Anyone looking to take a PH please do your research, because it can cause extensive damage if not taken properly.

You're too young to be taking PH's. The only thing you should be taking is creatine, protein, and a good multi.

[jdogg772000]

I find this to be friggin hilarious!! You never really seem to get anywhere in these threads!! Everybody has a different opinion!!! Geeezzz!! Granted, most people have nothin to say but good things about white flood, and superpump250...but still, come on!!! Its seems you just gotta live and learn from your own trail and error!! Friggin sucks!! I know that I'm sick and tired of this NOXplode already...doesn't do crap for me.

Has anybody here ever been on AnabolicMinds.com??? It seems that for a preworkout supplement, all they can do is talk about how great Jack3d is!! WTF...I have not even heard ONE person on here talk about that one..WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT!!! You really can't seem to get any trusted info anywhere..."personal trail and error..I'm tellin you." Just spend your entire friggin paycheck on all of em!!!

The reason everybody has something different to say is because everyone is different and reacts differently to supplements. It's an opinion based on subjective experience, you have to take it for what it's worth and tweak your program to meet your goals and work hard!

I have tried:

Energized Xpand - it was OK, decent pumps, good energy, no crashes

NO Shotgun - WAY too much energy, heart almost exploded! Which proves my point as some people LOVE this stuff.

NO Xplode - best so far, good pumps and energy level is good. The only thing is it has to be taken on empty, which makes it hard to do pre-workout on my training / eating schedule.

Tempted to try White Flood once the Xplode runs out...

Basically, in reading the labels of these preworkouts, they have alot in common, so I plan to try a few until I find the one that really has all I am looking for. That's your best bet because 1 person's experience is very subjective.

[Andrew.West]

I went through a tub of White Flood a couple months ago and loved it. After a long exhausting day it can be tempting to be lazy with your workouts, or even cut your workout short. From my experience with white flood, those days were long gone. I was extremely focused during my workouts and had great energy levels.

One thing I was unsure about was timing my pre-workout meal along with taking white flood. I would usually take white flood on an empty stomach 30min prior to my workout and maybe have a granola bar with it...but ideally I really wanna have a solid meal prior to my workout. When it says have on an empty stomach...is it reducing the effectiveness if I have it 30min before my workout...and then have a banana and a protein shake as I'm going into the gym?

[MrAnaconda]

I went through a tub of White Flood a couple months ago and loved it. After a long exhausting day it can be tempting to be lazy with your workouts, or even cut your workout short. From my experience with white flood, those days were long gone. I was extremely focused during my workouts and had great energy levels.

One thing I was unsure about was timing my pre-workout meal along with taking white flood. I would usually take white flood on an empty stomach 30min prior to my workout and maybe have a granola bar with it...but ideally I really wanna have a solid meal prior to my workout. When it says have on an empty stomach...is it reducing the effectiveness if I have it 30min before my workout...and then have a banana and a protein shake as I'm going into the gym?

Take WF about 90 min after a pre workout meal. You'll be good to go!

Or with a granola type bar like you stated.

[iForce Dave]

I find this to be friggin hilarious!! You never really seem to get anywhere in these threads!! Everybody has a different opinion!!! Geeezzz!! Granted, most people have nothin to say but good things about white flood, and superpump250...but still, come on!!! Its seems you just gotta live and learn from your own trail and error!! Friggin sucks!! I know that I'm sick and tired of this NOXplode already...doesn't do crap for me.

Has anybody here ever been on AnabolicMinds.com??? It seems that for a preworkout supplement, all they can do is talk about how great Jack3d is!! WTF...I have not even heard ONE person on here talk about that one..WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT!!! You really can't seem to get any trusted info anywhere..."personal trail and error..I'm tellin you." Just spend your entire friggin paycheck on all of em!!!

strong 1st post.....

[toad1]

good question, how is white flood and purple wraath for a cut?

i duno about WF & PW but i'm on superpump250 an for me the amount it makes me sweat is its best quality, and it works pretty well as a fat burner for me, but apart from the first time i used it, sumperpump isnt really doing anything for me. the first scoop i had was awesum the drive the focus the pump was crazy, i just wish the rest where. definately going to try something else next.

either no explode, jack3d, mayb one of the universal animal products once i understand what they are, white flood or liquid fury.


i agree with the trial and error post.

[SomeLifter]

Yeah it is kinda trial and error. That's why its great that BB has free samples of most of these.
For me the best tasting and best pumps come from Superpump 250 Fruit Punch Blast flavor. It gives me that extra juice and it tastes friggin awesome(like kool-aid). White flood is a very close second. The thing I noticed about both of these is that they seem to give me energy all throughout the workout without ever petering out. I used a tub of NO-Xpode and it gave me crazy pumps the first 10-15 minutes of my workout then it seemed to disappear.

[jeffmills]

MRI Black Powder!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I got some White flood, Purple Wraath and have been using it for two days now. That shyt makes me feel like super man in the gym. My energy is helping me lift more already. I have the pills for white flood, kinda horse like. The purple wraath I mixed with 33 oz of water and it tasted like crap, it recommends 40 did that today and it was fine.

After two days though I can't complain it has raised my energy, focus, strength and motivation. The Purple Wraath gave me the same feeling of my foot being asleep but allover not before but during and a little after workout.
glad to hear you liked them :)

Tried NOxplode years back never ever did anything for me. Haven't tried it again now that I'm 28 and have less energy. Decided to try all the top names repeated in this forum and here's my personal take:

1. White Flood: hardly any sides; almost feels like nothing has kicked in until you start lifting..and then you keep lifting...and lifting.

2. Superpump250: Gives you this motivation factor..like you're ready to go. Close 2nd to white flood in terms of effectiveness.

3. Nanovapor: Did nothing with 1.5 servings. Bumped up to 3 max servings and energy was good but then made me feel really tried, light headed, went home and crashed

Still have to try NO shotgun since thats also been praised...and this Cytonox that i also got a sample of from bb.com. Everyone should definitely try white flood and superpump though. superpump was ok enough to gulp down...very tangy/sour w/ fruit punch...had to take breaks after each gulp. White flood was easy to take down...not too bad at all...prob would say the flavor is like a gatorade reject...i bet mixed with lime gatorade it'd be awesome.
glad you enjoyed white flood and thanks for the comparison

good question, how is white flood and purple wraath for a cut?
great on a cut or a bulk. on a caloric restriction they will help keep strength up and lean mass while on a caloric restriction

Has anyone tried Serum by Magnum? I just got a tub because White Flood isn't available where I am in Ontario(for some reason they only have White blood witch is a completely different product). I did really feel an energy increase and great pumps, no jitters or awkwardness,and a great taste to boot. Boosted my cardio endurance too, will post back if I still like this product in a couple weeks.

In the past I'v used Revolution Nutrition's Bulldoze Extreme(I also really liked), as well as NO Xplode witch I didn't like as much. I'm stacking with SizeOn(also really like).

Have some White Flood samples coming in the next couple weeks(I hope), so I will def. be giving that a try too, and ill be sure to update on how it compares.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/magnum/serum.html

Controlled Labs, I was just curious as to why my local Herc's in Hamilton, Ontario doesn't carry GreenMag or WhiteFlood(the two products i'd really like to try from you) yet they carry the rest of your products?
ask them to call our canadian distributor. if you are serious about it I am sure they will get it in for you

I went through a tub of White Flood a couple months ago and loved it. After a long exhausting day it can be tempting to be lazy with your workouts, or even cut your workout short. From my experience with white flood, those days were long gone. I was extremely focused during my workouts and had great energy levels.

One thing I was unsure about was timing my pre-workout meal along with taking white flood. I would usually take white flood on an empty stomach 30min prior to my workout and maybe have a granola bar with it...but ideally I really wanna have a solid meal prior to my workout. When it says have on an empty stomach...is it reducing the effectiveness if I have it 30min before my workout...and then have a banana and a protein shake as I'm going into the gym?
glad to hear it. take the solid meal at least one hour before.

[RtN]

who ever is thinking about sp250 DONT DO IT FAM. I know the bottle looks real cool, and the promo video makes you want to take it and work out but dont do it.

Iv been on it for about a week and i get NO rush, NO energy, and overall it was a waste of 43 bucks.

agreed. now trying white flood... too bad when it arrived the package seal and internal seal was already broken.. gonna take it anyway.

[cavinkeven]

I'm about to start working out at a gym with a friend who has been working out for awhile. I'm tall and skinny and weak lol. very inactive the last 3 or 4 years. gettin a bit of a gutt on me too. i'm 34 6'2" about 165-168 lbs. I'm gonna get a whey protein supp and creatine and start taking them, should I try the white flood or another or should I wait awhile till i get my body used to working out? I don't wanna hurt anything, i do plan on starting out easy for a couple weeks. I've used a weider crossbow at home for a few weeks at a time off and on for the last year or so but it won't make me sore at all no matter how hard i work out on it for some reason. it did tone me up a little bit though when i stuck with it for a month once. thanks for any help in advance! now i need to go research protein mixes and creatine i guess...

[CONTROLLED LABS]

agreed. now trying white flood... too bad when it arrived the package seal and internal seal was already broken.. gonna take it anyway.
that is odd, please pm me so we can help you out

I'm about to start working out at a gym with a friend who has been working out for awhile. I'm tall and skinny and weak lol. very inactive the last 3 or 4 years. gettin a bit of a gutt on me too. i'm 34 6'2" about 165-168 lbs. I'm gonna get a whey protein supp and creatine and start taking them, should I try the white flood or another or should I wait awhile till i get my body used to working out? I don't wanna hurt anything, i do plan on starting out easy for a couple weeks. I've used a weider crossbow at home for a few weeks at a time off and on for the last year or so but it won't make me sore at all no matter how hard i work out on it for some reason. it did tone me up a little bit though when i stuck with it for a month once. thanks for any help in advance! now i need to go research protein mixes and creatine i guess...
a white flood/green mag stack would be a great place to start. you can even get a 7 day sampler pack, for cheap, directly from our site before you purchase a tub

[MrAnaconda]

agreed. now trying white flood... too bad when it arrived the package seal and internal seal was already broken.. gonna take it anyway.


that is odd, please pm me so we can help you out

a white flood/green mag stack would be a great place to start. you can even get a 7 day sampler pack, for cheap, directly from our site before you purchase a tub

Because the pumps so massive.. i'm thinking the tub was flexing on the way to your place.. thus breaking the seals.

[nalder89]

Because the pumps so massive.. i'm thinking the tub was flexing on the way to your place.. thus breaking the seals.

lol that's an awesome thought.

[Wearwolf51]

I'm about to start working out at a gym with a friend who has been working out for awhile. I'm tall and skinny and weak lol. very inactive the last 3 or 4 years. gettin a bit of a gutt on me too. i'm 34 6'2" about 165-168 lbs. I'm gonna get a whey protein supp and creatine and start taking them, should I try the white flood or another or should I wait awhile till i get my body used to working out? I don't wanna hurt anything, i do plan on starting out easy for a couple weeks. I've used a weider crossbow at home for a few weeks at a time off and on for the last year or so but it won't make me sore at all no matter how hard i work out on it for some reason. it did tone me up a little bit though when i stuck with it for a month once. thanks for any help in advance! now i need to go research protein mixes and creatine i guess...

Might want to ease into stims. 5 Tetra will help you lean out (esp since your lungs will last forever while running) and also provides great endurance benefits. I would buy some pure caffeine tabs to run with it pre-workout.

Another option is to try some other creatine based pre-workout/ energy supp. 4 Nitro is great for this clean energy with lots of cool creatine forms (creatine AKG for examples) and also a lot of other pump ingredients and CNS fatigue protection (NAD).

Both are on sale right now on BB.com buy 2 get 1. If you want to be a mad man try to stack them!

[Jam1l]

I have taken NO-XPLODE aswell as Superpump250 unfortunaltly I have never recieved the same effects as when I am on Animal Pump. The pumps and energy I recieve are just incredible. Great product overall, the only downside (which has been stated multiple times before) is the amount of pills that is required.

[Danger_Close]

agreed. now trying white flood... too bad when it arrived the package seal and internal seal was already broken.. gonna take it anyway.

how you like it so far?

even tho I have had nothing good to say about I do have some good news. The first time I took it it gave me massive pump, but after that no so much.

The mind blowing energy that people always talk about was not there for me, and I take two scoops. After a long day I find my self with a good baseline amount of energy through out the workout, and I find myself no even thinking about cutting my workouts short. Personally I think these pre work out supps depend a lot on the placebo effect, but that's my unprofessional 18 yr old opinion.

[canecorso2009]

White flood

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Because the pumps so massive.. i'm thinking the tub was flexing on the way to your place.. thus breaking the seals.
haha, probably :D

White flood

short and to the point :D

[OstateAnimal]

i think no xplode was the best until the pure blood and diarehha poop came
superpump was ight pretty good pump crashed mid workout
white flood tabs good made **** feel lighter
i want to try no shotgun but i was wondering if there was a direhhia side effects

[DIESEL Dave]

strong 1st post.....

this
LOL

[DIESEL Dave]

i think no xplode was the best until the pure blood and diarehha poop came
superpump was ight pretty good pump crashed mid workout
white flood tabs good made **** feel lighter
i want to try no shotgun but i was wondering if there was a direhhia side effects

ummmm.. I have taken at least 4 cycles of no xplode now. NEVER had "pure blood and diarhhea poop". that is def not from NO xplode. SOMETIMES, with any supps, you're body has a short period of adjustment in which you might get "wet ****", but only for a day or two, and NEVER blood in there... sounds like you need to see a doctor, brah :( Personally, i've never had stomach problems of any type from NO Xplode. That shyt is consitently effective also. I just like to cycle in different stuff every now and then to keep things interesting, and so as not to build a tolerance over time to the same creatine blends over and over again.
I like NO Xplode, Dymatize Xpand, and Superpump 250 (cycled all those on seperate occasions for at least a month with good results; i have tried Nano Vapor ONCE (today) and i was fukkin jacked, but i hear that goes away after a week or so on it (who knows), white flood is okay- sampled it on about 5 different occasions with decent pumps and energy each time; never tried NO Shotgun and have no intention of doing so. They don't even use correct spelling and grammar in their ads- they cannot be a very smart company capable of great things if they can't spell and use proper grammar, that right there turns me away for one thing (I may not be perfect, but I also do not write for a large supplement company), amongst others- seems to be mostly jittery energy, the ingredient combo is nothing special for strength/pump effectiveness. I've tried a lot, but I'll end there because those were the most talked about recently from what I read, and that's my opinion on those.
As was stated earlier, try different products, but don't add too much new shyt at a time, because then you have too many changing variables to determine which is really doing it for you. Keep constants in diet and other supps, such as multis and proteins, while you switch up your preworkout supp. IMO, this will give you a more accurate understanding of which pre-workout products are giving you certain results. Have fun with it, and remember... SUPPS WON'T DO JACK SHYT WITHOUT HARD CONSISTENT TRAINING, CARDIO, AND A CLEAN DIET. If you are not doing those three, don't waste your time in the gym, and don't waste your money on supps.

[ryanwade]

After trying WF then trying N.O explode (was on special), i can confidently say that I felt that WF gave me the feeling of a LOT more energy and gave a better pump with just 1 scoop, however to get a similar effect with n.o explode I had to have 2 or more scoops.

Just my experience so far though, and i am taking controlled labs magnitude and PW.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i think no xplode was the best until the pure blood and diarehha poop came
superpump was ight pretty good pump crashed mid workout
white flood tabs good made **** feel lighter
i want to try no shotgun but i was wondering if there was a direhhia side effects
have you ever tried the white flood powder?

After trying WF then trying N.O explode (was on special), i can confidently say that I felt that WF gave me the feeling of a LOT more energy and gave a better pump with just 1 scoop, however to get a similar effect with n.o explode I had to have 2 or more scoops.

Just my experience so far though, and i am taking controlled labs magnitude and PW.

glad you are both enjoying white flood :)

[MrAnaconda]

how you like it so far?

even tho I have had nothing good to say about I do have some good news. The first time I took it it gave me massive pump, but after that no so much.

The mind blowing energy that people always talk about was not there for me, and I take two scoops. After a long day I find my self with a good baseline amount of energy through out the workout, and I find myself no even thinking about cutting my workouts short. Personally I think these pre work out supps depend a lot on the placebo effect, but that's my unprofessional 18 yr old opinion.

Are you taking WF with an empty stomach? Or maybe take a break from the stims for about a week to 10 days. Then hit WF again. Your system might be used to the stims right now.

[pmpnballer0311]

Ive tried white flood finally and honestly I dont really feel that much but it does get me through a workout..Between NO Xplode, Black Powder, Superpump250, fast twitch and white flood NO Xplode gave me the best pump

Anyone suggest anything else to try?

[itsgroll]

White Flood stacked with PW is my drink of choice.

but...

im about to stack Extend w/ Vasocharge. :) i just finished a great cycle of controlled lab products (which i love). lets see how scivation holds up.

[JTFisher79]

I am going to add something I haven't seen here and I am surprised it is not on here. I love white flood and I am always trying new things. I have started using Dark Rage and it is phenomenal. Great pumps and energy. Focus is like none other. I will definately be sticking with Dark Rage for a while.

[Danger_Close]

Are you taking WF with an empty stomach? Or maybe take a break from the stims for about a week to 10 days. Then hit WF again. Your system might be used to the stims right now.

im taking sp 250, not wf. I think ill always be on some kind of N.O. cuz the question if it really works or not is irrelevant to me, the placebo effect is just to strong. Personally I think they do work to an extent.


But my question is can I mix my L gltamine with my pre workout?

[BryanKeklen]

i would have to say Black Powder is what gets me pumped, it is a short wait to activate and it really helps concentration and repetitions.

[nalder89]

im taking sp 250, not wf. I think ill always be on some kind of N.O. cuz the question if it really works or not is irrelevant to me, the placebo effect is just to strong. Personally I think they do work to an extent.


But my question is can I mix my L gltamine with my pre workout?

i would probably take the glutamine seperate, midworkout-post workout. wait until your body needs it (uses up it's already built up store of glutamine), and then take the supp. just my opinion, mixed with some common sense :)

[nalder89]

i would have to say Black Powder is what gets me pumped, it is a short wait to activate and it really helps concentration and repetitions.

I agree black powder works like mad. I've been on this stuff called amrageddon by starchem labs though, and so far it's held up to what the rep told me about it. good pumps, sustained energy, and you don't have to cycle, because it's not an aakg product. it's based off of glycerol, and a hydrotrans formula, to keep water in your body longer. in essence, for me at least, works better, and i don't have to cycle. got my vote

[itsgroll]

White Flood stacked with PW is my drink of choice.

but...

im about to stack Extend w/ Vasocharge. :) i just finished a great cycle of controlled lab products (which i love). lets see how scivation holds up.

So far so good. Had a solid pump and great focus last night. Not to mention best tasting supp ive ever had. no bloating nor weird stomach aches. I plan to keep this cycle. Good work Scivation!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White Flood stacked with PW is my drink of choice.

but...

im about to stack Extend w/ Vasocharge. :) i just finished a great cycle of controlled lab products (which i love). lets see how scivation holds up.

glad to hear it and we know you will be back ;)

[pokerdude069]

glad to hear it and we know you will be back ;)

anyone have any thoughts on this supplement? good, bad?

[itsgroll]

anyone have any thoughts on this supplement? good, bad?
yea! GREAT! :)

[MrAnaconda]

glad to hear it and we know you will be back ;)
For some reason i see Arhhhnolds voice saying this. =op

[caffeinecowboy]

im taking sp 250, not wf. I think ill always be on some kind of N.O. cuz the question if it really works or not is irrelevant to me, the placebo effect is just to strong. Personally I think they do work to an extent.


But my question is can I mix my L gltamine with my pre workout?

Superpump250 already has L-glutamine in it so you probably do not need to mix it.

http://gasparinutrition.com/Portals/0/products/supplement_facts/SuperPump250SupplementFacts.pdf

I usually mix L-glut. in with water and drink it during the second half of my w/o. Try that and see if it helps.

[caffeinecowboy]

Ive tried white flood finally and honestly I dont really feel that much but it does get me through a workout..Between NO Xplode, Black Powder, Superpump250, fast twitch and white flood NO Xplode gave me the best pump

Anyone suggest anything else to try?

Has anyone tried Champion's Glypro XTS Complete Stack? I'm anxious to try a pre-w/o product with GPLC in it.

[A.Meli98]

Has anyone tried "Fierce" (Heart of a Lion lol) ??

Yup tried it thought it was pretty good decent pump great value great energy on the down side it wasnt too easy on the stomach and there was definitely a huge crash once i got out of the gym I felt like passing out

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Has anyone tried Champion's Glypro XTS Complete Stack? I'm anxious to try a pre-w/o product with GPLC in it.

Well our pre-workout supplement PreSurge has GPLC in it of course :)

And Glypro is also a solid GPLC product. I forget which flavor I tried but it even tasted pretty good.

[caffeinecowboy]

Well our pre-workout supplement PreSurge has GPLC in it of course :)

And Glypro is also a solid GPLC product. I forget which flavor I tried but it even tasted pretty good.

Thanks. Your candor and honesty are appreciated. PreSurge is in pill form, correct?

[caffeinecowboy]

Yup tried it thought it was pretty good decent pump great value great energy on the down side it wasnt too easy on the stomach and there was definitely a huge crash once i got out of the gym I felt like passing out

I tried it a yr or so ago(?) I would rate it as the 3rd best Ive used behind SP250 and NO Shotgun. I have a very high stim tolerance (ok addiction) though.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Thanks. Your candor and honesty are appreciated. PreSurge is in pill form, correct?

Yes, though a powder version is not too far off. Besides the GPLC, PreSurge has some really unique features, in particular the russian taragon extract and neuravena, check out the FAQ http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111743821

If you are looking for a powder preWO GPLC product, I like Glycopro, it's solid.

[justn10thekid]

Vasocharge

[BoWeDuPdiver]

Finished another tub of SP250 which is awesome but tastes like ****. I decided to order White Flood and took that for the first time today and I have to say the lemonade tastes awesome and the pump and energy were on point. If WF keeps up the good work it will replace sp250 as my pre workout gogo juice. I also take size on and that works great too.....I received the samples of green mag and purple wrath and i took those as well. I think that they taste a hell of a lot better than gaspari stuff but its kinda hard to say if they are of the same quality as far as performance. Maybe after my size on is gone ill do that GM and PW too. I have heard rumors that all those aminos are a bull**** scam.

[Henweee]

I am planning to try another NO product. At the moment i am thinking about NO Shotgun or Shock Therapy. What do you guys think? So far, i tried CL's WF, NANO Vapor, and NO Explode. IMO i still think NO Explode pumps me up, but i guess its the caffeine.

[MrAnaconda]

I gotta add GlycerGrow to this list. Been on GG 2 weeks, and wow. This is great for Bulking/Mass.. and awesome pumps. Wash it down with Mag. It's pretty in insane. And this tub will last me till i'm like 75 years old.

[PatManii]

I've been using Nano Vapor Off and On. I love the focus i get from it.. I don't feel any crash from it either. After reading some of the other posts I may give NO Shotgun and White Flood a try. I'm looking for a greater pump.. but don't want to lose Focus.

[BoWeDuPdiver]

god i hate muscletech. so sick of all their bull**** overpriced nonsense. I hate hearing about you guys wasting your money on them.

[caffeinecowboy]

I am planning to try another NO product. At the moment i am thinking about NO Shotgun or Shock Therapy. What do you guys think? So far, i tried CL's WF, NANO Vapor, and NO Explode. IMO i still think NO Explode pumps me up, but i guess its the caffeine.

I personally like Superpump250 and NOShotgun the best. I've heard that the newer version on NOShotgun tastes better than the previous one, which was terrible. I like SP250 because it contains NAC, ALA and Glutamine. These are 3 nutrients that all provide significate health benefits.

[etalbs4]

i am currently taking sp250, and it is horrible. there are no pumps at all and i do not see a difference in weight. i took 2 scoops and it seemed like it helped a little more than 1 scoop..

how is nano vapor? anyone every try that?

yeah i've tried nano vapor...its extremely potent and doesnt taste good. i highly recommend NO Xplode over nano vapor...it tastes better and u see results...i buy NO xplode frequently

[gregorystacey]

I feel the need to mention animal pump. It's a good supplement that provides a significant pump. One serving is enough and if you only lift 4 days I week (I do anyway) then 1 bottle will last a shade over 7 weeks. I just thought I would throw that out there incase anyone wanted to change things up or doesn't respond well to some other products.

[liftbig24]

shock thearpy

[nalder89]

must say armagaddon by Starchem Labs is the winner in my book

[Big B Bro]

sp250

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Finished another tub of SP250 which is awesome but tastes like ****. I decided to order White Flood and took that for the first time today and I have to say the lemonade tastes awesome and the pump and energy were on point. If WF keeps up the good work it will replace sp250 as my pre workout gogo juice. I also take size on and that works great too.....I received the samples of green mag and purple wrath and i took those as well. I think that they taste a hell of a lot better than gaspari stuff but its kinda hard to say if they are of the same quality as far as performance. Maybe after my size on is gone ill do that GM and PW too. I have heard rumors that all those aminos are a bull**** scam.
glad to hear your are enjoying white flood, it gets even better about 2 weeks in

I gotta add GlycerGrow to this list. Been on GG 2 weeks, and wow. This is great for Bulking/Mass.. and awesome pumps. Wash it down with Mag. It's pretty in insane. And this tub will last me till i'm like 75 years old.
makes a sick stack with white flood.

I've been using Nano Vapor Off and On. I love the focus i get from it.. I don't feel any crash from it either. After reading some of the other posts I may give NO Shotgun and White Flood a try. I'm looking for a greater pump.. but don't want to lose Focus.
give white flood a shot, amazing and a great value

[Dracoy]

I think it's clear how I feel about this...

kYpSFkaweBU

This is absolutely insane.

[Big B Bro]

This is absolutely insane.

Agreed.

[Moody72]

This is absolutely insane.

strong ode is strong

[naturalguy]

I feel the need to mention animal pump. It's a good supplement that provides a significant pump. One serving is enough and if you only lift 4 days I week (I do anyway) then 1 bottle will last a shade over 7 weeks. I just thought I would throw that out there incase anyone wanted to change things up or doesn't respond well to some other products.

Animal Pump rocks and it's the only pre-workout formula on the market that gives you the option of taking the stims or leaving them out (all contained in a single red pill) plus you don't need to buy a separate creatine formula.


shock thearpy

As far as a powdered pre-workout formula for price/taste/effectiveness you can't beat the value you get with Shock Therapy.

[MrAnaconda]

This is absolutely insane.

Nice. I love you floody!? lol

[bayareamac]

Athletic Edge Nutrition PreSurge

[PANTSOUP]

I use DARK RAGE from MHP and so far is working great.

[r.walker31]

Where can I find me some white flood? All of the local stores do not have it and the online site (supplements canada) doesnt even have it listed. If anyone has a good online source, preferably canadian, please let me know. Thank you

[ctAL860]

im hearing GREAT reviews on this product.

i mean like blows everything else out the water, xplode, superpump, etc.

anyone try it?

[OmegaBurn]

Ive would rate White Flood(pills) as the single best PWO supp. ive used so far. 1 max dose got me through a 2 1/2 hr workout and i was still amped with energy at the end!

Ive used naNO Vapor and found it worthless and i started with the max dose!

Ive also used CytoNOX which made my head feel real f'ed up and i found myself crashing mid workout.

[AlphaBrass01]

Have you used the WF powder? If so, how would you compare them?

[OmegaBurn]

Have you used the WF powder? If so, how would you compare them?


Actually im ordering a CL stack w/ GlycerGrow, White Flood(powder), and Purple Wraath right now and wil post reviews of all after i give them a week of use.

[fischetti]

I use DARK RAGE from MHP and so far is working great.

Im a white flood fan for life! but Dark Rages ingredients profile is very Different, funky you could say!

[fischetti]

Where can I find me some white flood? All of the local stores do not have it and the online site (supplements canada) doesnt even have it listed. If anyone has a good online source, preferably canadian, please let me know. Thank you

Get it from BB.com,i must admit i never seen it in any Australian shops give it time though, but who gives a **** it more exclusive that way.

[alleyesonme907]

white flood

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Where can I find me some white flood? All of the local stores do not have it and the online site (supplements canada) doesnt even have it listed. If anyone has a good online source, preferably canadian, please let me know. Thank you we are awaiting our health canada numbers for white flood, so it should be up there shortly.


Ive would rate White Flood(pills) as the single best PWO supp. ive used so far. 1 max dose got me through a 2 1/2 hr workout and i was still amped with energy at the end!

Ive used naNO Vapor and found it worthless and i started with the max dose!

Ive also used CytoNOX which made my head feel real f'ed up and i found myself crashing mid workout.
glad to hear it :)

Have you used the WF powder? If so, how would you compare them?
the powder hits faster and harder the tabs hit slower but are more sustained throughout the day

Actually im ordering a CL stack w/ GlycerGrow, White Flood(powder), and Purple Wraath right now and wil post reviews of all after i give them a week of use.
sweet, looking forward to your reviews

Im a white flood fan for life! but Dark Rages ingredients profile is very Different, funky you could say!
glad to hear that

Get it from BB.com,i must admit i never seen it in any Australian shops give it time though, but who gives a **** it more exclusive that way.
gnc in Australia carries it and most of our line

white flood
short and sweet :)

[talibanhunter]

I've tried so many of them over the years. This is my mini review of them all. I forced myself to finish the whole cannister/bottle of all of these supps as I don't have 40 bucks to throw away ;). Keep in mind, these are just my opinions. I understand everyone is different and has different preferances.

NOxplode - Used this for the first 2 years I lifted. It tastes decent and has decent pumps. I do feel however that I built a tolerance to this very quickly.

Superpump250 - OMG tastes awful but overall decent pumps. I find myself not building too much of a tolerance to SP due to it tasting so bad with 1 scoop I was afraid to try 2 scoops.

Nano Vapor - Insane amount of energy...it's just too bad I wasted all of it spray painting the toilet while cringing with stomach pain.

White Flood (capsules) - Great feeling and nice pumps. Unfortunately I got very bloated and had some serious stomach cramps. I believe this was due to taking this product in capsule form. I will purchase the powder form at sometime and hope for better results.

Cytosport Fast twitch - Energy, Pumps and taste all satistfactory concidering it is a cheaper product. Does not mix well.

Black Powder - My favorite. Great Pumps and Energy. I'm on my second tub and still only use about 1.5 scoops. Mixes well and doesn't taste too bad.

Overall I suggest trying anything and everything to see what works best for you.

[MrAnaconda]

Actually im ordering a CL stack w/ GlycerGrow, White Flood(powder), and Purple Wraath right now and wil post reviews of all after i give them a week of use.

You are gunna love this combo.!

[J.O.B.]

iv tryed sp250 good but made me have to take a dump before lifting, tryed black powder n i get immune too quick, white flood was average, nano vapor was the worst ever headaches sweat n crash, shock therapy was cool but almost had a stomach problem like the sp250, plasma jet is the same bs with a different label as nano, juggernaut didnt feel like i took anything no pump or energy, im thinking of trying the xpand powder frm dymatize. . . . im very serious n the gym n im looking for some insane pumps with some light energy thats not gonna make me crash but i hate crap that makes u hella hot or make u gotta make brown before u hit the weights

[J.O.B.]

one of the biggest pumps and best workouts iv had was after taking 4 pills of whiteflood and half a scoop of black powder n dam wer my arms ready burst, any1 else mix some sups up i want the pump but with only purchasing 1 product

[J.O.B.]

im hearing GREAT reviews on this product.

i mean like blows everything else out the water, xplode, superpump, etc.

anyone try it?

heard the samething but its only been out for just a lil bit

[lilnery]

Hello everyone!
I just cannot believe how wonderful this product is! The pumps you get from it is amazing!
On my biceps workout days, you get insane pumps. The pump is so huge, you cant bend your arm!! The biceps look so freaking HUGE! It feels like its about to explode! WHITE FLOOD by Controlled Labs!

I've been a long time user with the Popular N.O Explode from BSN. All I can say is, for energy use only, its really good. But for pumps, forget about it. So many people like this product because, its all over bb.com/ or magazines they advertise like crazy, therefore makes people make there first pre-workout supplement purchase. (Like me) What result outcomes you get? "Awesome supp! Best ever! blah blah blah"
After awhile, No vapor from Muscle tech came out. Saying the best like the rest. Tried it and its about the same stuff as No explode, only difference is a little bit more pump and energy. Super pump 250 beats both NO explode and nano vapor.

What I really hate about NO Explode Nano vapor or super pump is after use, you crash! Feel really tired. Why? High amounts of caffeine! Lastly, the price.
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Now for WHITE FLOOD! By Controlled Labs
-Price Awesome! A+!
-Pump The best by far.
-No crashing after use! Thats a really good reason I love this product.
-Long lasting natural energy

People ask, Powder or pills?

Powder- hits faster and harder, best option if you have time to make and need the reactions to kick in fast.

Pills- the tabs hit slower but are more sustained throughout the day. Best if your on the go. Didn't bring your bottle or your in a hurry. Will feel pumped and good natural energy through out the day. Consume more water to let the tabs digest faster.

overall- Both give awesome pumps/energy, NO Crashing and nice natural energy through the day.

[jdogg772000]

Hello everyone!
I just cannot believe how wonderful this product is! The pumps you get from it is amazing!
On my biceps workout days, you get insane pumps. The pump is so huge, you cant bend your arm!! The biceps look so freaking HUGE! It feels like its about to explode! WHITE FLOOD by Controlled Labs!

I've been a long time user with the Popular N.O Explode from BSN. All I can say is, for energy use only, its really good. But for pumps, forget about it. So many people like this product because, its all over bb.com/ or magazines they advertise like crazy, therefore makes people make there first pre-workout supplement purchase. (Like me) What result outcomes you get? "Awesome supp! Best ever! blah blah blah"
After awhile, No vapor from Muscle tech came out. Saying the best like the rest. Tried it and its about the same stuff as No explode, only difference is a little bit more pump and energy. Super pump 250 beats both NO explode and nano vapor.

What I really hate about NO Explode Nano vapor or super pump is after use, you crash! Feel really tired. Why? High amounts of caffeine! Lastly, the price.
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Now for WHITE FLOOD! By Controlled Labs
-Price Awesome! A+!
-Pump The best by far.
-No crashing after use! Thats a really good reason I love this product.
-Long lasting natural energy

People ask, Powder or pills?

Powder- hits faster and harder, best option if you have time to make and need the reactions to kick in fast.

Pills- the tabs hit slower but are more sustained throughout the day. Best if your on the go. Didn't bring your bottle or your in a hurry. Will feel pumped and good natural energy through out the day. Consume more water to let the tabs digest faster.

overall- Both give awesome pumps/energy, NO Crashing and nice natural energy through the day.

I have been on NO Xplode for the last couple months, and have to agree that it is not as good as reported. I don't know if it is me or what, but I had better results with HyperShock and Energized Xpand.

The next stack is White Flood powder, Green Magnitude and Purple Wraath.

[xcnichols]

Idk if anyone has taken this but holy ****, this will send u outside to pick up cars and punch through concrete!! lol jk Im someone who has always drank alot of coffee and lo-carb monster so Im very used to caffiene and for the most part, immune to its effects unless i get somewhere around 800-900 milligrams a day, which btw is not very good. I take this stuff about 30 minutes before i work out and it hits me in my head first, with it getting hot and fuzzy, almost like when your leg falls asleep. Im typing this about 3 hours after my workout and I honestly want to jump out of my skin i have so much energy. Idk if its the caffiene in it or if its something called Geranium or something like that thats in it. Overall, for $21 for 45 servings, you cannot beat it! Ive tried NanoVapor and NO xplode and they dont come close at all, although i think muscletech is complete **** anyways.

[kjhmu7]

FIRST

Just one?
Cause I have 3 I want to put down but if only one..............
I'd say superpump 250.
But I want to list metrx amped and NO shotgun too.


Stoppp..... you are honestly not smart for taking supplements, its not real, if you want a list of organic foods that will give you SO much more energy than that bs tell me

[kjhmu7]

Hello everyone!
I just cannot believe how wonderful this product is! The pumps you get from it is amazing!
On my biceps workout days, you get insane pumps. The pump is so huge, you cant bend your arm!! The biceps look so freaking HUGE! It feels like its about to explode! WHITE FLOOD by Controlled Labs!

I've been a long time user with the Popular N.O Explode from BSN. All I can say is, for energy use only, its really good. But for pumps, forget about it. So many people like this product because, its all over bb.com/ or magazines they advertise like crazy, therefore makes people make there first pre-workout supplement purchase. (Like me) What result outcomes you get? "Awesome supp! Best ever! blah blah blah"
After awhile, No vapor from Muscle tech came out. Saying the best like the rest. Tried it and its about the same stuff as No explode, only difference is a little bit more pump and energy. Super pump 250 beats both NO explode and nano vapor.

What I really hate about NO Explode Nano vapor or super pump is after use, you crash! Feel really tired. Why? High amounts of caffeine! Lastly, the price.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now for WHITE FLOOD! By Controlled Labs
-Price Awesome! A+!
-Pump The best by far.
-No crashing after use! Thats a really good reason I love this product.
-Long lasting natural energy

People ask, Powder or pills?

Powder- hits faster and harder, best option if you have time to make and need the reactions to kick in fast.

Pills- the tabs hit slower but are more sustained throughout the day. Best if your on the go. Didn't bring your bottle or your in a hurry. Will feel pumped and good natural energy through out the day. Consume more water to let the tabs digest faster.

overall- Both give awesome pumps/energy, NO Crashing and nice natural energy through the day.


Powder? Pills? or... Healthy food and mind?

Im just curious to know if you genuinely believe these supplements can surpass "true health" What is true health?
True health to me is the point where your mind and body feel good, energized, alert, and quick at all times. This is easily achieved with consumption of the right organic foods at the right time, and finding a way to be mentally happy and witty. I know many adults ( 18+) who have tried all the supplements you list, and after making the switch to a state of true health, they've had rediculous results in STRENGTH, not "size" and ENERGY not "a blocked nuero passage" So, im just wondering wether you've tried an actually natural diet and wether you had better results than super duper exploding guns powder or whatever

[lilnery]

Powder? Pills? or... Healthy food and mind?

Im just curious to know if you genuinely believe these supplements can surpass "true health" What is true health?
True health to me is the point where your mind and body feel good, energized, alert, and quick at all times. This is easily achieved with consumption of the right organic foods at the right time, and finding a way to be mentally happy and witty. I know many adults ( 18+) who have tried all the supplements you list, and after making the switch to a state of true health, they've had rediculous results in STRENGTH, not "size" and ENERGY not "a blocked nuero passage" So, im just wondering wether you've tried an actually natural diet and wether you had better results than super duper exploding guns powder or whatever

Actually, I always have a natural diet, I eat my veggies, meats etc.. But Only eating those foods does not get your body to the next level. These supplements enhance and change the way you workout. Without these it will be very hard achieving muscle gaining goals.

[J.O.B.]

Stoppp..... you are honestly not smart for taking supplements, its not real, if you want a list of organic foods that will give you SO much more energy than that bs tell me

dnt tell people to stop lol r u serious, im guessing u have no idea about sups so stay off the forums because theres no room for ignorant people

[Moody72]

Stoppp..... you are honestly not smart for taking supplements, its not real, if you want a list of organic foods that will give you SO much more energy than that bs tell me

please tell me you're trolling.

[MrAnaconda]

please tell me you're trolling.

Tofu Powder For mass gains! Yummy!

[TeamFlex]

Just ordered 3 tubs of UPSlabs Jacked from the bodybuilding.com store. Unfortunately it's on back order but i can't wait to try it. $23.99 is cheap as here in Australia the best price I could find was AUD$94.95 or US$76. We always get screwed with pricey supps here in Oz!

[diga]

just picked me up some jack3d..hope its as good as they recon..find out tomorrow

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Hello everyone!
I just cannot believe how wonderful this product is! The pumps you get from it is amazing!
On my biceps workout days, you get insane pumps. The pump is so huge, you cant bend your arm!! The biceps look so freaking HUGE! It feels like its about to explode! WHITE FLOOD by Controlled Labs!

I've been a long time user with the Popular N.O Explode from BSN. All I can say is, for energy use only, its really good. But for pumps, forget about it. So many people like this product because, its all over bb.com/ or magazines they advertise like crazy, therefore makes people make there first pre-workout supplement purchase. (Like me) What result outcomes you get? "Awesome supp! Best ever! blah blah blah"
After awhile, No vapor from Muscle tech came out. Saying the best like the rest. Tried it and its about the same stuff as No explode, only difference is a little bit more pump and energy. Super pump 250 beats both NO explode and nano vapor.

What I really hate about NO Explode Nano vapor or super pump is after use, you crash! Feel really tired. Why? High amounts of caffeine! Lastly, the price.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now for WHITE FLOOD! By Controlled Labs
-Price Awesome! A+!
-Pump The best by far.
-No crashing after use! Thats a really good reason I love this product.
-Long lasting natural energy

People ask, Powder or pills?

Powder- hits faster and harder, best option if you have time to make and need the reactions to kick in fast.

Pills- the tabs hit slower but are more sustained throughout the day. Best if your on the go. Didn't bring your bottle or your in a hurry. Will feel pumped and good natural energy through out the day. Consume more water to let the tabs digest faster.

overall- Both give awesome pumps/energy, NO Crashing and nice natural energy through the day.
WOW, your excitement is contagious. thanks very much for your review and comparison of the tablets and powder, this should help many choose :)

I have been on NO Xplode for the last couple months, and have to agree that it is not as good as reported. I don't know if it is me or what, but I had better results with HyperShock and Energized Xpand.

The next stack is White Flood powder, Green Magnitude and Purple Wraath.

keep us posted on how you like the stack :)

[krocknw]

been using no shotgun and its pretty sick...still i think nano vapor is the best ive used(shotgun is close 2nd then MRI black powder)

[fischetti]

tofu powder for mass gains! Yummy!

lmao:)

[flatsfisher44]

I have tried pretty much every single preworkout out there, yes even WF lol. All I have to say is jack3d is by the far the best I have a ever had. Just bought it yesterday and got my first workout with it today and all I have to say is WOW this stuff is AMAZING.

[Trevor-Seward]

Im on my 3rd tub of superpump 250 and im still enjoying the pump and determination i get out of it!!!

Stuff makes me feel like a monster in the gym.

It doesnt screw up my stomach or anything...

(;

My vote for Sp250

[seriouslifter]

what is the point of all this non sense pump supplements, its all just going to go away when you come off it like creatine. what are you exactly gaining, wow a massive pump in the gym so you look fuller/bigger in reality it probably does nothing. what intensify workouts so you workout harder = train harder for muscle growth? who knows

[goodnightace]

Now I've never been a real fan of pre work out supplements for fear of dependency. When i purchased jack3d for my first pre pump supp on recommendation I didnt know what to expect, as i had never taken any pre sup before. So I figured what i was feeling was common in most pre work out supps... but holy crap when i tell you ive never felt better/stronger/energized in my whole life when i was taking this stuff im not kidding. I went through one bottle and went back to buy more and they were sold out two weeks straight. So i settled for White Flood for i've heard some pretty good things about this as well. But nothing and I mean nothing compared to Jack3d. When they stock up im clearing the self LOL

[member666]

Hello everyone!
I just cannot believe how wonderful this product is! The pumps you get from it is amazing!
On my biceps workout days, you get insane pumps. The pump is so huge, you cant bend your arm!! The biceps look so freaking HUGE! It feels like its about to explode! WHITE FLOOD by Controlled Labs! http://www.tracker-analytics.com/track/img/3360/s09v0317fvxp/00.gif



Good review man. I have a sample of this stuff laying around. I'm gonna try it tonight for sure. How the heck would I stack that with my Green Mag. (If anybody can answer me before 7:30 pacific time, it would be great!!) :)

[jparkson]

i like hypershock a lot it taiste good its cheap. its easy and it worksreally well,strong rush good recovery and great pumps
If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

[MrAnaconda]

Good review man. I have a sample of this stuff laying around. I'm gonna try it tonight for sure. How the heck would I stack that with my Green Mag. (If anybody can answer me before 7:30 pacific time, it would be great!!) :)

A day to late.. lol But Mix WF with your GM. Very Popular mix. And works great!

[ctAL860]

heard the samething but its only been out for just a lil bit



doesnt matter

there is A LOT of good reviews, i read other forums besides bb.com......so yea im gonna invest.

ill let you know whats up on it.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Brock Lesnar drinks a cup of water with a boiled onion in it before working out, i might try it
sounds delicious :D

Good review man. I have a sample of this stuff laying around. I'm gonna try it tonight for sure. How the heck would I stack that with my Green Mag. (If anybody can answer me before 7:30 pacific time, it would be great!!) :)

take green magnitude and white flood together (mix them) and take it 30 minutes preworkout

[naturalguy]

what is the point of all this non sense pump supplements, its all just going to go away when you come off it like creatine. what are you exactly gaining, wow a massive pump in the gym so you look fuller/bigger in reality it probably does nothing. what intensify workouts so you workout harder = train harder for muscle growth? who knows

Some of them have real performance benefits. They help with strength and muscular endurance, buffer lactic acid, increase focus, etc.

[ctAL860]

mine is on the way

[Kluminati]

what is the point of all this non sense pump supplements, its all just going to go away when you come off it like creatine. what are you exactly gaining, wow a massive pump in the gym so you look fuller/bigger in reality it probably does nothing. what intensify workouts so you workout harder = train harder for muscle growth? who knows

That massive pump you get = more bloodflow to the muscles delivering more nutrients as well as getting rid of toxins faster. Your looking at it the wrong way, you dont actually lose anything when you cycle off, but when you'r on it you get for the most part increased motivation and drive to put out an extra rep or two= more muscle/strength, both of witch you do not lose when you stop taking it. Depending on the supp you take your also getting your daily supply of immune boosters, creatine, glutamine and other ammino acids you need.

[gnarlysky]

People, I am decided between NO Shotgun and White Flood thanks to all of your responses.

White Flood is about $10 more where I am shopping and has less in a bottle.

Would I be fine with NO Shotgun?

[liquidform]

People, I am decided between NO Shotgun and White Flood thanks to all of your responses.

White Flood is about $10 more where I am shopping and has less in a bottle.

Would I be fine with NO Shotgun?

Yes

[CONTROLLED LABS]

People, I am decided between NO Shotgun and White Flood thanks to all of your responses.

White Flood is about $10 more where I am shopping and has less in a bottle.

Would I be fine with NO Shotgun?

white flood has more as its 50 workouts per bottle ;) the value is hard to beat

[TheOnlyMaestro]

Would you suggest Vaso-explode, Usp labs jacked, or whiteflood for PW?

[flatsfisher44]

Would you suggest Vaso-explode, Usp labs jacked, or whiteflood for PW?

Tried them all. I would go with jack3d, Iv only been using it for a couple days and its by far the best I have ever tried. WF is a solid product to though. cant go wrong with either one of those.

[rollie78]

Has anyone tried Kat-a-lyst 's VASOCOR? It's not for sale to individuals under 18. Here's the web site

www.katalystnutraceuticals.com

[flatsfisher44]

hmmmm never heard of it. Would deff like to hear some feedback on it though lol

[fortybelow]

Im considering getting whiteflood but Im not sure if it's really worth the price.. Does it increase your size/strength? Is it completely safe? .. thanks

[aryazzomo]

[QUOTE=rollie78;340255431]Has anyone tried Kat-a-lyst 's VASOCOR? It's not for sale to individuals under 18. Here's the web site



I currently work at a Nutrishop and I have been on Vasocor for 3 weeks. One word. Amazing.

[DRR32890]

n.o. shotgun hands down, white flood is a close second

[aryazzomo]

Why does NO shotgun have protein in it if protein synthesis doesnt occur until post workout?

[DRR32890]

Why does NO shotgun have protein in it if protein synthesis doesnt occur until post workout?


im sure it doesnt have much protein at all. the company counts the amino acids and creatine as protein. however protein synthesis can occur during your workout too

[caffeinecowboy]

Has anyone tried Kat-a-lyst 's VASOCOR? It's not for sale to individuals under 18. Here's the web site

www.katalystnutraceuticals.com

The ingredients profile looks awesome. AAKG, Citrulline and Glycocarn. I just wonder how much of each is actually in a serving. What does it cost, and is it available anywhere on the east coast?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Im considering getting whiteflood but Im not sure if it's really worth the price.. Does it increase your size/strength? Is it completely safe? .. thanks
for the price its one of the most affordable per serving since its 50 workouts per tub :eek:

n.o. shotgun hands down, white flood is a close second

glad you enjoyed white flood. for the price per serving/effects there is nothing in the same league for value :)

[liquidform]

The ingredients profile looks awesome. AAKG, Citrulline and Glycocarn. I just wonder how much of each is actually in a serving. What does it cost, and is it available anywhere on the east coast?

I called the number on the web site, and a pleasent girl answered in California. She gave me the numbers to a store in SC and Florida to order product. They will not sell on Web in order to keep the price down (i didn't ask price). I also didn't order product, because i don't like to give credit card numbers over the phone....in fear of what they will do with it after. I'll wait till i can purchase on the web.

[caffeinecowboy]

I called the number on the web site, and a pleasent girl answered in California. She gave me the numbers to a store in SC and Florida to order product. They will not sell on Web in order to keep the price down (i didn't ask price). I also didn't order product, because i don't like to give credit card numbers over the phone....in fear of what they will do with it after. I'll wait till i can purchase on the web.

Thanks, Dude. Do you happen the remember the name of the store in SC, and what city it was in?

[liquidform]

Thanks, Dude. Do you happen the remember the name of the store in SC, and what city it was in?

She didn't say what city, but both SC and Florida are Nutrishop stores. They are building a Nutrishop in Maryland right now she said, so they are expanding. I wish they would expand to online ordering, thats what i'm waiting for. Or better yet.....if BB.com would sell this product. Please let me know if you purchase over the phone.

[buckscarp1462]

nano vapor is definitely the best product out. I haven't tried very many but i don't really want to. I'm so focused when i use it. 2 thumbs up.

super pump.

[flatsfisher44]

She didn't say what city, but both SC and Florida are Nutrishop stores. They are building a Nutrishop in Maryland right now she said, so they are expanding. I wish they would expand to online ordering, thats what i'm waiting for. Or better yet.....if BB.com would sell this product. Please let me know if you purchase over the phone.

They have one in brandon which is only bout 30 min from me. There also building one in tampa so I might go check it out

[BENTLEY1]

Sorry for the late arrival, i've tried plenty of pwo supps. Honestly, my favorite was no explode. It's not as good as it was when i started taking it. Someone told me they stole another company's ingredients and almost got sued. Is that why it's different now, is the rumor i heard true?

[Train_ing]

The ingredients profile looks awesome. AAKG, Citrulline and Glycocarn. I just wonder how much of each is actually in a serving. What does it cost, and is it available anywhere on the east coast?


it has 50 servings and cost 50 bucks.

Sold in Nutrishop.

[rollie78]

it has 50 servings and cost 50 bucks.

Sold in Nutrishop.

yup! i got the tub a few days ago. The first day i used it really worked, felt bigger pumps and wanted to train longer. The 2nd day wasn't as intense but it still was better than the rest that I've used. I'm sticking to this one for a while. Ask Nutrishop for a free sample. They gave me about two servings stapled to a Vasocor card.

[ripped2shreds777]

Been using ephedra fat burners for cardio and weight days (totaling 7 days a week) as non-ephedra products did nothing for me, but wanted to switch to something for days that I train with weights that doesnt contain ephedra so my body wont adjust to the ephedra and crave it. Bought the big tub of White Flood for weight training days as I need the ephedra for my 6 mile cardio days. Tried the two scoops of white flood and no difference from taking nothing. I thought this product was a waste of money, even though i liked the taste, for someone who takes ephedra fat burners. Since I bought the large tub and didnt want it to go to waste I figured the logical thing to do was to up the dosage. As everyones tolerance is different I took 2 scoops prior to training and an additional scoop and a half to 2 scoops while training mixed with my gallon milk jug of water. Immidiatly felt the difference. My weighted bar dips went from 90lbs hanging off of me 3 reps and 2 reps respectively in my final two sets up to 90lbs hanging off of me 6 reps for each of my final 2 sets! Skull crushers went from 8 reps of 115lbs 5 sets, up to 10 reps of 115 lbs 5 sets! I will continue to use this product on weight training days at 2 times the reccomended dosage as it is effective, even with high stimulant tolerance associated with ephedra fat burner usage! My only concern is, I saw nothing in the ingrediants that would pose a problem taken at two times the dosage, can a rep confirm this for me? Thanks

[Deviant Dingo]

Been using ephedra fat burners for cardio and weight days (totaling 7 days a week) as non-ephedra products did nothing for me, but wanted to switch to something for days that I train with weights that doesnt contain ephedra so my body wont adjust to the ephedra and crave it. Bought the big tub of White Flood for weight training days as I need the ephedra for my 6 mile cardio days. Tried the two scoops of white flood and no difference from taking nothing. I thought this product was a waste of money, even though i liked the taste, for someone who takes ephedra fat burners. Since I bought the large tub and didnt want it to go to waste I figured the logical thing to do was to up the dosage. As everyones tolerance is different I took 2 scoops prior to training and an additional scoop and a half to 2 scoops while training mixed with my gallon milk jug of water. Immidiatly felt the difference. My weighted bar dips went from 90lbs hanging off of me 3 reps and 2 reps respectively in my final two sets up to 90lbs hanging off of me 6 reps for each of my final 2 sets! Skull crushers went from 8 reps of 115lbs 5 sets, up to 10 reps of 115 lbs 5 sets! I will continue to use this product on weight training days at 2 times the reccomended dosage as it is effective, even with high stimulant tolerance associated with ephedra fat burner usage! My only concern is, I saw nothing in the ingrediants that would pose a problem taken at two times the dosage, can a rep confirm this for me? Thanks

I take ephedra too, its meant to be cycled 2weeks on 2 weeks off, most cycle it with clen inbetween periods. Its not the ephedra thats built up your stim tolerance, its the other ingredients in the fat burners.

[gregorystacey]

I have used a few pre-workouts and have since re-thought the necessity of "the pump". I am completely tracking on creatines role in cellulor respiration when lactic acid fermentation takes place as aerobic respiration can no longer keep up. Creatine is great. Beta Alanine and caffiene do wonders for energy and focus. BCAA's are building blocks and bodybuilders deplete them much faster than an average person. Now AAKG and Ornithine and a few of the others that boost Nitric Oxide confuse me. Nitric Oxide plays no role in ATP production, its a vasodialotor. It seems to me that an arterial dialator would be needed to provide muscles more nutrients as the blood in the veins is O2 depleted and filled with waste products. Sure it looks cool to have all sorts of veins poking out, but how it benifits training is a mystery to me. Vasodialation serves two purposes, to lower blood pressure (which is not good for training) and also to allow blood to have increased exposure to surface temperatures of the skin and acts as a body temp cooling mechanism. Can anyone explain the need for a "vasodialator" to me???????

Thanks

[toRin]

Most definately Advocare Muscle fuel

https://www.advocare.com/09045164/Store/ItemDetail.aspx?itemCode=P4421&id=B

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Been using ephedra fat burners for cardio and weight days (totaling 7 days a week) as non-ephedra products did nothing for me, but wanted to switch to something for days that I train with weights that doesnt contain ephedra so my body wont adjust to the ephedra and crave it. Bought the big tub of White Flood for weight training days as I need the ephedra for my 6 mile cardio days. Tried the two scoops of white flood and no difference from taking nothing. I thought this product was a waste of money, even though i liked the taste, for someone who takes ephedra fat burners. Since I bought the large tub and didnt want it to go to waste I figured the logical thing to do was to up the dosage. As everyones tolerance is different I took 2 scoops prior to training and an additional scoop and a half to 2 scoops while training mixed with my gallon milk jug of water. Immidiatly felt the difference. My weighted bar dips went from 90lbs hanging off of me 3 reps and 2 reps respectively in my final two sets up to 90lbs hanging off of me 6 reps for each of my final 2 sets! Skull crushers went from 8 reps of 115lbs 5 sets, up to 10 reps of 115 lbs 5 sets! I will continue to use this product on weight training days at 2 times the reccomended dosage as it is effective, even with high stimulant tolerance associated with ephedra fat burner usage! My only concern is, I saw nothing in the ingrediants that would pose a problem taken at two times the dosage, can a rep confirm this for me? Thanks
instead of upping the dose, cycle off of ephedra and stims for 10 days, then start back at 1 serving, it will be night and day

[fischetti]

I have used a few pre-workouts and have since re-thought the necessity of "the pump". I am completely tracking on creatines role in cellulor respiration when lactic acid fermentation takes place as aerobic respiration can no longer keep up. Creatine is great. Beta Alanine and caffiene do wonders for energy and focus. BCAA's are building blocks and bodybuilders deplete them much faster than an average person. Now AAKG and Ornithine and a few of the others that boost Nitric Oxide confuse me. Nitric Oxide plays no role in ATP production, its a vasodialotor. It seems to me that an arterial dialator would be needed to provide muscles more nutrients as the blood in the veins is O2 depleted and filled with waste products. Sure it looks cool to have all sorts of veins poking out, but how it benifits training is a mystery to me. Vasodialation serves two purposes, to lower blood pressure (which is not good for training) and also to allow blood to have increased exposure to surface temperatures of the skin and acts as a body temp cooling mechanism. Can anyone explain the need for a "vasodialator" to me???????

Thanks

I see youre point,i have made no extra progress when taking a pre workout drink from lets say a couple of years ago when i was taking nothing pre workout sure youre muscles are all pumped but it does not last! but i find it so addictive the motivation and energy they give you oh well,i am finding im not getting the creatine gains from a couple of years ago when i was not taking all that caffeine could it be that the caffeine is absorbing all the creatine im not sure.

[jackdaniel19]

i love the stuff. i feel good pumps and good focus. The itch i get from it is making me nuts though. Whats the deal with that?

[sninh]

should i get white flood or jack3d?
which gives better energy? which gives better pumps?

[flatsfisher44]

in my opionon jack3d gives better enegy and WF gives a better pump. Both are awsome products though

[Technik]

NaNo Vapor
No Xplode

White Flood and Shotgun are next on my list.

[Live2Push]

NO Xplode
White Flood

[gregorystacey]

I see youre point,i have made no extra progress when taking a pre workout drink from lets say a couple of years ago when i was taking nothing pre workout sure youre muscles are all pumped but it does not last! but i find it so addictive the motivation and energy they give you oh well,i am finding im not getting the creatine gains from a couple of years ago when i was not taking all that caffeine could it be that the caffeine is absorbing all the creatine im not sure.

I do 1 scoop of greenmag with an addition 5g of micronized mono once a day along with opti-men and omega 3/6/9's. I drink 1/2 of a 100g protein shake before the workout and then finish it after. I'm getting the same pump and gains w/o a preworkout. Just mainline some coffee (dont like the taste of energy drinks) and its on like neck balm.

[oufinny]

should i get white flood or jack3d?
which gives better energy? which gives better pumps?

Taken both, Jack3d is way better in my opinion because you can dial in your dose depending on how you respond. Plus, for most all you need is 1-2 scoops and that is a great buy if you are using just 1 (45 servings). Don't start with the full does right away (3 scoops) or you may be wide awake at 1 AM.

[llshiftyll]

i been switching between NO-XPLODE and Super Pump 250....seems like i get more focus and pump with SP250!

Id have to agree with you on sp250 only problem i ran into was if i used more then one scoop it would just tear up my stomach and i found it difficult to continue lifting once these effect kicked in.

[taylorza]

Having never used any kind of pre-workout supplement other than oats :), I was really impressed today when I tried SuperPump 250 for the first time. I got a pump like I have not had in years... I only took one scoop and I will probably keep it there for a while, but this stuff really made a difference.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

should i get white flood or jack3d?
which gives better energy? which gives better pumps?
cant go wrong with white flood. 50 workouts at the full dose for a great price :)

NaNo Vapor
No Xplode

White Flood and Shotgun are next on my list.
keep us posted when you try white flood

NO Xplode
White Flood
glad to hear it :)

I do 1 scoop of greenmag with an addition 5g of micronized mono once a day along with opti-men and omega 3/6/9's. I drink 1/2 of a 100g protein shake before the workout and then finish it after. I'm getting the same pump and gains w/o a preworkout. Just mainline some coffee (dont like the taste of energy drinks) and its on like neck balm.

no need for more creatine, green mag has all you need in a single dose per day

[caffeinecowboy]

Has anyone tried Cytonox by Cytogenix? It is made by the same company that produces Muscletech products, (Iovate) which I have never liked, but the ingredients look promising.

[Uncle Bob]

I just used Jack3d for the first time today. Been using White Flood. I had the full three scoops and went for a 4 mile run. Wow, I live for a runner's high but that stuff made it twice as intense. I just wanted to keep going. I felt invincible, alert, and accomplished yet also relaxed and in a good place like I just had a few beers or something. I'll use it before lifting tomorrow and see how it goes. WF has been good to me so far with lifting but I didn't get much out of it for cardio. Still too early for me to make any conclusions, though. WF has really been helping me get through gym days where I just don't feel like going or lack motivation. Pump is great, too.

[DieHards77]

I agree with you Uncle Bob, Jack3d just makes everything all good. I believe its the schizandrol A, i read up on it a bit and it does some good stuff. Along with that the pumps are insane. You never want to stop working out, you just feel better and more pumped as the workout goes along. Ive tried NO-Xplode, superpump, vasocharge and Jack3d is by far the best ive tried. Great price too. Overall add another amazing supplement to the list of great USP Labs products

[billaweed]

White Flood from Controlled Labs.

I don't even need the full suggested serving to get the energy I need. This stuff gets the veins pumping and my muscles full like nothing else I've ever used. Gives me a full 2 hour workout without fatigue and after an arm day I cant touch my hand to my shoulder for a couple of hours afterwords.

great sup!

[SwolenONE]

Guys, keep your eyes peeled for the new version of mesomorph with new flavoring and an added stim complex. It should hit the stores within the next few weeks.

this is certainly a dense category with a lot of great choices, shotgun being perhaps my current favorite

[CONTROLLED LABS]

WF has really been helping me get through gym days where I just don't feel like going or lack motivation. Pump is great, too.


White Flood from Controlled Labs.

I don't even need the full suggested serving to get the energy I need. This stuff gets the veins pumping and my muscles full like nothing else I've ever used. Gives me a full 2 hour workout without fatigue and after an arm day I cant touch my hand to my shoulder for a couple of hours afterwords.

great sup!

glad to hear it guys :)

white flood is something special, and you get 50 workouts per tub at a great price :eek: