Best Overall Pre-Workout Energy/Pump Supplement?

[01NastySS]

Heres my review FWIW..

Ive taken BSN NO-Xplode, SuperPump250 and White Flood.

I was addicted to the NO-X when they had their old formula. The new formula rips my insides apart within a few hours of taking it.. almost uncontrollable bowl movements. Worked well, but like the rest, became immune to it.

SuperPump250... I only took this 1 time and tore the freaking gym apart for 1 day.. after that, I figured out why it was dubbed SuperDump250. The sides arent worth the trouble IMO. It made Niagara Falls seem like a trickle...

White Flood (stacked with GM).. I really liked this stuff. I read and read stuff on here about it (I dont post much) and decided to give it a run.. The taste was something to get used to but after a few days it was good. The initial feeling was awesome. I loved the tingling sensation. The only problem is that about 2/3 through the tub I didnt feel anything anymore. Sometimes it felt like my head was itching though an I assume it was the tingle again, but I could almost fall asleep in the middle of my workout. I think that comes from that Im an energy drink junky. I can go through 3-4 Monsters a day while still drinking soda (trying to stop that). Overall... with the price, amount of servings and effects... I like it! I'll be buying it again. I didnt like GM though, but thats for another thread.

[fischetti]

about 10-14 days off stims and white flood after each large tub

when you mean stay of stims do you mean also a coffee in the morning as well?????

[Persi@n]

awesome to hear. the top 400 gnc stores (by sports nutrition sales) now sell many of our products, including white flood :)

bb.comm is still an amazing place to buy from though :)

oh wow man, that's awesome to hear, out of all the products ive taken only ones that gave me effects noticeable are the ones from your brand.

[SportPharmaRep]

Figured I'd post it in here as Thermadrene is my fat-burner/energy product of choice. I just got confirmation from corporate that SportPharma Thermadrene will be part of the Buy 2 Get 1 Free promo! It's really good timing for a nice, basic fat-burner like Thermadrene. Spring is just around the corner...

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I'll confirm again once it's ready to go in the cyberstore.

[k3n12ock]

Sorry to be a noob but what should I take with white flood as a stack?

[chris9217]

Sorry to be a noob but what should I take with white flood as a stack?
you can take green magnitude (pre-workout with WF or post) and/or Purple wraath (i recommend during workout). Thats what you should stack it with and it looks like a great stack. i personally take purple wraath post workout but i have a different pre-workout and intra-workout supplement.

[chris9217]

Sorry to be a noob but what should I take with white flood as a stack?
and also not to forget your multivitamins and protein but i thought that was a given

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Would taking White flood before workout and then taking Scivation xtend intraworkout reduce the effectness of either? that is fine


I posted this in the NO thread, but I thought I'd share my respect in both threads:

After trying multiple preworkout formulas, including SuperPump250 (SuperDump for me anyway - And yes I had the new lower-magnesium formula), MuscleTech Myoshock (I had a few free samples), and some other ones that I can't really think of, I've come to the conclusion that White Flood is possibly the best pre-workout product ever! I take the pill form since powders tend to give me the ****s, and the WF pills give me the power (and intestinal fortitude) to tear apart my workouts. I feel so focused, and the incredible pump makes me work even harder. I may try others (I've heard SuperCharge, NO Shotgun, and Animal Pump are all great), but I'm positive I'll always come back to the WF tablets!

Thanks for making a great, affordable product, CL!


Heres my review FWIW..

Ive taken BSN NO-Xplode, SuperPump250 and White Flood.

I was addicted to the NO-X when they had their old formula. The new formula rips my insides apart within a few hours of taking it.. almost uncontrollable bowl movements. Worked well, but like the rest, became immune to it.

SuperPump250... I only took this 1 time and tore the freaking gym apart for 1 day.. after that, I figured out why it was dubbed SuperDump250. The sides arent worth the trouble IMO. It made Niagara Falls seem like a trickle...

White Flood (stacked with GM).. I really liked this stuff. I read and read stuff on here about it (I dont post much) and decided to give it a run.. The taste was something to get used to but after a few days it was good. The initial feeling was awesome. I loved the tingling sensation. The only problem is that about 2/3 through the tub I didnt feel anything anymore. Sometimes it felt like my head was itching though an I assume it was the tingle again, but I could almost fall asleep in the middle of my workout. I think that comes from that Im an energy drink junky. I can go through 3-4 Monsters a day while still drinking soda (trying to stop that). Overall... with the price, amount of servings and effects... I like it! I'll be buying it again. I didnt like GM though, but thats for another thread.
WOW, thanks guys, we appreciate the feedback :)

when you mean stay of stims do you mean also a coffee in the morning as well?????
if possible, yes. if not, then just a small cup of coffee should be ok.

oh wow man, that's awesome to hear, out of all the products ive taken only ones that gave me effects noticeable are the ones from your brand.
thanks for your support

Sorry to be a noob but what should I take with white flood as a stack?

are you on anything? what are your goals?

[barlowrf]

Personally like White Flood for Energy/Pump supplement, the added caffeine give you a nice kick of energy for the workout

[hogfan2007]

everyone is talking about white flood, but what about white blood? Is it basically the same thing?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Personally like White Flood for Energy/Pump supplement, the added caffeine give you a nice kick of energy for the workout
glad to hear it :)

everyone is talking about white flood, but what about white blood? Is it basically the same thing?

the are both nitric oxide products, but very different. white flood is a powder or tablets and has stimulant and beta alanine. white blood is capsules and is stimulant free

[hogfan2007]

so is the arginine ethyl ester actually a more efficient product than the AKG thats in the white flood like the product description says? I am already taking another NO product with an energy booster but i just wanted to stack arginine with it

[CONTROLLED LABS]

so is the arginine ethyl ester actually a more efficient product than the AKG thats in the white flood like the product description says? I am already taking another NO product with an energy booster but i just wanted to stack arginine with it

different strokes for different folks, some like one more than the other. the ethyl esters are more expensive to produce though.

[Reidfleming09]

i've tried nano vapor, trac no, and black powder and i would like to say that i think nano vapor is the best for the focus and pumps but theres so much **** in there...then i would say black powder..followed by trac no

[frankie7]

Hello All!

I'm looking to purchase a pre-workout formula to take for my workouts but however I'm looking something specifically that enlarges your muscles through the pump-effect. I've heard some words about "this product has the best pump effects 'my arm's expanded greatly in this product' and what not"

So is there a specific pre-workout that's great for strictly pumps and also something that makes you drive to the wall - referring to as makes you wild, crazy and like you feel a tingle in your skin and your body rages as if you're a psycho (hehe).

The one I tried was a MT Nano-Vapor through a friend and hey it did the job!

Bsn No-xplode was okay but it made me sleepy and like hyper at the end, no pump or so.

Thank you all!
Reps!

[thisismarcus]

Hello All!

I'm looking to purchase a pre-workout formula to take for my workouts but however I'm looking something specifically that enlarges your muscles through the pump-effect. I've heard some words about "this product has the best pump effects 'my arm's expanded greatly in this product' and what not"

So is there a specific pre-workout that's great for strictly pumps and also something that makes you drive to the wall - referring to as makes you wild, crazy and like you feel a tingle in your skin and your body rages as if you're a psycho (hehe).

The one I tried was a MT Nano-Vapor through a friend and hey it did the job!

Bsn No-xplode was okay but it made me sleepy and like hyper at the end, no pump or so.

Thank you all!
Reps!

I have the same question. I don't have the time unfortuntely to read through this entire thread, so hoping I can get some feedback.

I currently use N.O.Xplode but was thinking of changing over to naNOVapor. What is everyone's thoughts?

Also, along the same line of supplements, what's the feeling toward Ultimate Nutritions adreNOline?

Thanks guys, I appreciate the help. Total noob here.

[ANABOLIC_Dear]

NANOVapor made me sick. NO Explode worked pretty good and now im on superpump250 which seems the best to me. Raspberry ice tastes crazy good.

[Blueta]

And which is best supplement for women? As i don't need to gain weight (actually i need to lose) just need a lot of energy for my workouts.

[ragingmuscle]

I use Animal Pump and love this stuff. Plus it will be going live on the 2 + 1 deal here sometime this week...

[nywarrior19]

i usually use superpump and love it, switched to blackpowder and I'm going to use is for the first time tongiht, should i be expecting an imporvement from pump250?

[mmafan04]

I don't know why so many people on here suck on Controlled Labs nuts so much.. I've taken White Flood a few times and never felt anything.. I get a much better pump and mental focus from Superdump250, N.O. Shotgun, and Shock Therapy.. All we're much better!! That's just my opinion like it or not.. : )

[adwhit1]

I've tried a couple to me NO Explode gives me what I need. It's one of the better ones on post too. Not to mention I am a BSN junkie....

[adwhit1]

i usually use superpump and love it, switched to blackpowder and I'm going to use is for the first time tongiht, should i be expecting an imporvement from pump250?

Blackpowder is decent. Doesnt taste bad either. It just depends on what you like...

[UndiluteD]

I've tried a couple to me NO Explode gives me what I need. It's one of the better ones on post too. Not to mention I am a BSN junkie....

Yea BSN provide good products, but they are overpriced and you can even get products for cheaper and with better effects if you do a little research.

BTW Jack3d FTW

[thisismarcus]

nooby here looking for somehelp:

I currently take no-xplode and ON 100% Whey.

I was thinking of changing to naNOVapor and Cell-Tech Hardore for pre-workout, and keeping the ON Whey for afterward. Does that sound correct?

Also, since nanovaper is a pre-workout supplement, and you're supposed to take creatine before a workout, do you take them together, as in the same drink?

[fischetti]

Well i just finished my shock therapy storm stack today and will be doin the white flood green mag stack just for new experiences,both shock and storm are fantastic products and are really good value,storm works better when you add carbs like staminade.

[sknywhiteguy]

did anybody like black powder? i took one last night, and didnt' really notice a whole lot from it. i'm going to give it another try just wondering what yall actually think about it. or does somebody have a better product i should try!

[AlphaBrass01]

Well i just finished my shock therapy storm stack today and will be doin the white flood green mag stack just for new experiences,both shock and storm are fantastic products and are really good value,storm works better when you add carbs like staminade.

I am in the middle of a WF/GM stack right now and like it. I guess I'm working opposite you, as I'm planning on starting Shock Therapy/Storm after this one's finished.

[tomball6]

definately no shotgun used no xplode and addapted to it, black powder is good but wears off really quick

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Well i just finished my shock therapy storm stack today and will be doin the white flood green mag stack just for new experiences,both shock and storm are fantastic products and are really good value,storm works better when you add carbs like staminade.


I am in the middle of a WF/GM stack right now and like it. I guess I'm working opposite you, as I'm planning on starting Shock Therapy/Storm after this one's finished.

would love to hear your comparisons :)

[Colossal Spoons]

Would taking White flood before workout and then taking Scivation xtend intraworkout reduce the effectness of either?

I did this yesterday. Pump was still awesome. Got the White Flood sample, I like it

[PhenomKidd]

Apparently NO Shotgun has a new version out.

[davidix]

NO Shotgun is what I'm taking and it really gives me a pump. I havent tried other stuff so I cannot comment.

[SportPharmaRep]

Figured I'd post it in here as Thermadrene is my fat-burner/energy product of choice. I just got confirmation from corporate that SportPharma Thermadrene will be part of the Buy 2 Get 1 Free promo! It's really good timing for a nice, basic fat-burner like Thermadrene. Spring is just around the corner...

Here's a link to Thermadrene: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sport/therma.html

3 bottles for only $11.99 + $11.99

I'll confirm again once it's ready to go in the cyberstore.

The Thermadrene Buy 2 Get 1 Free promo is up in the cyberstore. You get 3 bottles of quality, no frills fat-burner/energy booster all for $23.98 :eek:
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[OnTheReg]

best pre-workout gig:
3 shots Crown Royal and a 1/2 gram of coke.

juuuuuuuuuuuust kidding...ive only used no xplode so i cant really compare it to anything. all i know is i built up a hell of a tolerance to that ****.

[Gallardo1]

Im currently on superpump 250 and like it but im getting more tolerant of it each day it seems. anyone make the switch from superpump to NO Shotgun or Nano Vapor?

[lovergirlk5]

White Flood does the trick for me. I mix it with GreenMAG. Great focus and energy!!

I noticed White Flood seems to be the most popular. Can someone give me more info either on here or PM?

Also on the no shotgun. Thanks.

[locdownent]

fast switch

[rdsz]

anybody use dark rage????

[lakeman]

SUPER PUMP 250. Great energy and keeps me going faster without out long breaks. Keeps me focussed.

[k3n12ock]

Been taking WF for a little over a week now. I must say it really does help me stay focus while lifting. First few days I felt that "tingle" as others have mentioned but lately I haven't felt it. Pumps are good still. I need some PW and GM now.

[ThundaThigh]

i used dark rage.....don't buy it.
its crap. It gives u a solid pump, but the jitters and anxiety and restless nights don't make up for it. My caffeine tolerance is real high and I'm 207 pounds but this stuff makes you feel good for a little bit then its like getting hit by a truck.

Buyer BEWARE!!

[kaka23]

Jacked and white flood

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I noticed White Flood seems to be the most popular. Can someone give me more info either on here or PM?

Also on the no shotgun. Thanks.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html


Been taking WF for a little over a week now. I must say it really does help me stay focus while lifting. First few days I felt that "tingle" as others have mentioned but lately I haven't felt it. Pumps are good still. I need some PW and GM now.


white flood

awesome to hear guys :)

[naturalguy]

I use Animal Pump and love this stuff. Plus it will be going live on the 2 + 1 deal here sometime this week...

Animal Pump is up now buy 2 get 1 FREE:

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Now is your chance to get the best pre-workout supplement at a great deal for a limited time

[mnjock15]

I love Gaspari's Superpump 250
but figured i'd try Controlled Labs White Flood and this is some great stuff also...not sure which I like better...might have to buy more Superpump and try them on back to back days to see which works best for me...lol.

[bigjim225]

Personal favorite is n.o. xplode. I've tried many others just to see the hype such as vapor from muscletech (which sucked) so should give it a try

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[lilone888]

I have tried nano vapour, superpump, no shotgun, juggernaut, and multiple more. I'm going to have to say that I like superpump the most by far. Got tons of samples from the arnold classic so had enough to try everything a few times. Close 2nd, I'd have to go with no shotgun.. I was hoping on buying no explode at the expo but sold out quick. Next on my list to try.

[brolickant]

the best pre workout supplement i would have to say the no explode by bsn. back when i used to workout in the city that was my supplement of choice. with this supplement it made me feel like my body part was gonna explode. the only thing i hate about this product is the energy does not last straight through my workout so just to counterdic my self, i am beter off sticking to "5 hr energy"

[oufinny]

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[fitfranco]

USP Labs Jacked is the real deal. Solid product.

[joseCastelan]

ive tried shotgun, nano vapor, black powder, and no explode. favorite by far is shotgun i liked V2 besides the taste but V3 has a better taste but i think its a little less effective but still better than the rest. lost all my weight after i straine all my tendons in my left wrist just started gettin back in shape again send me workouts please =]

[hendog717]

hands down its M5, made by Cellucor. only a handfull of places carry it and there is no bargins trying to find it on the internet. I was a huge fan of sumperpump 250 for a while till i tried M5. check it out. it"ll be worth your time.

[healthybodies]

SUPER PUMP 250. Great energy and keeps me going faster without out long breaks. Keeps me focussed.

I tried it, sucked. I got more from a cup of coffee. Just sayin :)


i used dark rage.....don't buy it.
its crap. It gives u a solid pump, but the jitters and anxiety and restless nights don't make up for it. My caffeine tolerance is real high and I'm 207 pounds but this stuff makes you feel good for a little bit then its like getting hit by a truck.

Buyer BEWARE!!

x 10 and I did not even get a decent pump.


Jacked and white flood

Heard good things on Jacked. Don't know much about it though.


Personal favorite is n.o. xplode. I've tried many others just to see the hype such as vapor from muscletech (which sucked) so should give it a try

N.O. explode is a decent product, but so friggin expensive!! X2 on the Vapor


hands down its M5, made by Cellucor. only a handfull of places carry it and there is no bargins trying to find it on the internet. I was a huge fan of sumperpump 250 for a while till i tried M5. check it out. it"ll be worth your time.

This is a decent product and I got a great results when stacking with N-Zero by Cellucor. Same as the NO Explode though, expensive

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I?m not the only one who has had this incredible effect from AST?s Anabolic Rush. My training partner, Troy Kimberling, made the mistake of taking 2 scoops of Anabolic Rush with 2 capsules of Lipo 6 ?. He said he felt like he was going into A-Fib his heart was beating so fast. It could have been the best workout he ever had except he was distracted by his rapid heart beat.
So how is it that Anabolic Rush can pack such a powerful punch? AST?s patented Mind-Muscle Energy StimulatorTM Anabolic Rush contains an innovative Mind-Muscle Energy Stimulator using a newly developed ?Nano-technology? that goes to work fast giving your mind and body a potent long-lasting energy rush that will have you training with world class intensity. This Nano-Technology tailors site specific nutrient delivery and absorption. With Nano ? technology it?s not just the right nutrients, but the structure of these nutrients that delivers your mind and muscles what they need and when they need them. This new ?Nano-technology? is only available in Anabolic Rush!
That?s not all that Anabolic Rush delivers. However after having only taking it for one month, you can imagine that it will take more time to observe more results from Anabolic Rush.

So with that in mind, watch for Part II of this report in a few months. Using a Hologic Dexa Scanner, I will be comparing the results of my scan after using Anabolic Rush for one month, to using it for multiple months. The scan will show my fat mass, lean mass, and bone mass. I know Anabolic Rush gives me great workouts, but will it give me more muscle? Stay tuned!

[hellito18]

SuperPump250 gives focus and strength... but no gains at all, as stated... have tried White Flood?

[jabuckle]

I've been taking Controlled Labs White Flood for about 2 weeks and it's been great. Took it about 30 minutes before lifting last night and played basketball after. Always get great pumps during the workout and have a lot of energy.

[LiveOnce]

I know this question has been asked, but I dont feel like searching...

What is the BEST way to cycle off of a supplement like White Flood or NaNo Vapor before I would begin a SP250/Size On stack>>>>

[freddddy]

^^^^ 3-4 weeks

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've been taking Controlled Labs White Flood for about 2 weeks and it's been great. Took it about 30 minutes before lifting last night and played basketball after. Always get great pumps during the workout and have a lot of energy.

awesome to hear. power or tabs? how did you hear about it?

[JTFisher79]

I am loving my white flood tabs. So conveinent and very effective. Crazy pumps have been noticed since using the tabs over the liquid

[CompetitiveGain]

I have gone through 2 tubs of White Flood. I loved it. It hit me quick and gave me energy throughout the toughest workouts. Unfortunately I didnt get that much of a pump. Taste is great though. Great pre workout.

I am currently finishing my second tub of SP250. Its pretty much the opposite of White Flood. I get great pumps but I feel a lot more tired when I lift. I dont have as much energy and focus. fruit punch tastes great but I use 2 1/2 scoops compared to WF's 1 - 1 1/2.

I was going to go back to WF on my next purchase but this new ALLMAX pre-workout looks legit. Any feedback on it would be great :]

[skoalcherry]

by far the best prework out supp would have to be vapor from muscletech i got the craziest pumps i could ever imagine on that veins just all over after only 1 set

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I am loving my white flood tabs. So conveinent and very effective. Crazy pumps have been noticed since using the tabs over the liquid


I have gone through 2 tubs of White Flood. I loved it. It hit me quick and gave me energy throughout the toughest workouts. Unfortunately I didnt get that much of a pump. Taste is great though. Great pre workout.


awesome to hear guys, thanks for your feedback. are you using them in conjunction with any other controlled labs supplements?

[user45656111000000]

Stuff is unreal, tried almost everything else before but Muscleprime is by far my favorite. Ears flushed and tingled the first couple time I used it due to the beta-alanine in it but that went away after 2 days. I'm 220 pounds and 2 scoops was enough for me. Great pumps, focus, and stamina.

1. Allmax - Muscleprime
2. Gaspari - Superpump 250

Wasn't a fan of either No-xplode or Nano vapor

[corning_5]

okay lets settle this argument!

MUSCLEPHARM PRODUCT

ASSUALT!!!!!!!!

if you like Nano-Vapor or No-Explode this supp is ten times better then both of them combined.

[D-NAZ]

I have used many pre-workout supplements, many of them had decent factors which others greatly lacked on.

NaNO Vapor: Decent energy boost and focus. Pump I got from this product was insane, tolerance did build up though and 3 scoops went to 4+. Decent taste, not great but to be expected. HARD crashes pwo, I'm talking 2 hour naps. Gains while on this product were substantial even with poor nutrition at the time.

Horsepower: Made me ill with stomach aches, nausea and occasionally light headedness. Little to no energy, pumps were good at best. No gains made on this product, weakest supp I have ever taken.

Armageddon: Good Energy and decent focus. Taste was awful so it was hard to get down. Pumps were great and some improvements were made.

Superpump 250: My favorite so far, great energy, focus and pump. My veins look insane when I work out and I have enjoyed every aspect of the product, even the taste.

Thinking about trying White Flood next, seems to have great reviews.

[AMillane7]

Most consistant product to work for me would probably have to be Serum, White Flood Tabs, or SP250..all had different aspects i loved

[Deviant Dingo]

Im having the hardest time deciding what preworkout product to get... There is so much rep/marketing/and fake account bull**** in this thread.... theres only like 20% actual customers in here lol...

Im using black powder at the moment - No pump, i got some better stamina and a few extra sets maybe, good focus and energy that can get a bit jittery but pretty decent. No crash.

Previously ive tried,

Scivation preworkout stuff - was ****
NOxplode - tried this like 2.5years ago, was good. Not sure how it is now, gave me good pumps.
Dymatize - the energised version of their preworkout, was pretty good nothing to rave about really, didnt notice a whole lot beside the energy from the caffiene.

I want a product that will give me mad pumps, and a nice sustained energy. What ever niceties they throw in besides that are all good. Im thinking of getting the muscle prime and the SP250 and seeing what I like best out of those two... maybe WF, i dislike the amount of rep interference in this thread though. Jacked blend of beta alanine/aakg/creatine is only fkn 3.3g.... yea right sumthin is wrong there....

[ric0_suav3]

I've tried NO Xplode, super pump 250, NaNO vapor, Black Powder.
Nano vapor is garbage, Black powder is alright, NO Xplode is good, but I would have to go with SP 250 so far.

What I am really searching for is a pre-workout that is truly different and that employs something else. So many pre-workouts use caffeine, arginine, beta-alinine, and trivial amounts of creatine.

Dark Rage really interests me because of the EPO technology in it. Does anybody have any feedback on this?

[mythman]

MusclePharm Assault.

It has over 40,000mg of ingredients and has Suma Root
which no other PWO has. Not to mention it tastes like kool aid.
www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclepharm/assault.html

[ghudler]

i have taken kreation, no xplode, nano vapor, fast twitch, juggernaut, and super pump..... i liked fast twitch and superpump the best

[PhenomKidd]

After trying Shock Therapy, NO-Shotgun, Animal Pump, etc all were good but so far none has given me the pump/feeling of tearing through iron like Beast Sports Predator has. It made me wanna crush iron and I couldn't wait till my partner was finished so I could bang out some more reps. Great feeling, I'd be going home on the bus pumped as a mofo. Good stuff guys, try it out. I plan on trying their CREA-Ture in the future.

[curtis_s]

I have tried Bull Doze, Sp250, muscleprime, and I have to say the best so far has been the superpump.

In my opinion muscleprime makes me crash way too hard after the workout.

[ANABOLIC_Dear]

I have used superpump and no explode. Both are good and taste good. Superpump is stronger though. I miss the beta analine tingle from the NO explode though.

[Yunior]

This is my sixth time taking it and still loving it. The flavor is not that great but the results are awesome. At least for me.

[sports000]

My list consists of : Nana Vapor , NO explode , Trac- extreme NO , White Flood

out of these the best so far is White Flood

NO explode - pros: good blood flow, caffeine explosion
cons: get immune to it too quickly, wears off quickly if you take a intra workout supp, sends u to bathroom quite often

Nana vapor- WORST ONE out of these 4 .....No pros, it sucks my imo

Trac- N/A .....this one is outdated compared to rest of stuff out there now

White Flood- this one if my favorite so far. You feel the Beta- Alanine alot and very flourished through out whole workout, no bad crashes, and blood flow is definitely there

white flood is the way to go so far

[corning_5]

It's gotta be muscle pharm
assualt

you guys have to try this if you like Nano-Vapor or NO-Explode
its way better

[Samsdaddy0525]

SuperPump 250 and Universal's Shock Therapy are my two favorites.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Thinking about trying White Flood next, seems to have great reviews.
please keep us posted with feedback/comparison if you do :)

Most consistant product to work for me would probably have to be Serum, White Flood Tabs, or SP250..all had different aspects i loved
nice list right there. did you like white flood tabs better than the powder?

My list consists of : Nana Vapor , NO explode , Trac- extreme NO , White Flood

out of these the best so far is White Flood

NO explode - pros: good blood flow, caffeine explosion
cons: get immune to it too quickly, wears off quickly if you take a intra workout supp, sends u to bathroom quite often

Nana vapor- WORST ONE out of these 4 .....No pros, it sucks my imo

Trac- N/A .....this one is outdated compared to rest of stuff out there now

White Flood- this one if my favorite so far. You feel the Beta- Alanine alot and very flourished through out whole workout, no bad crashes, and blood flow is definitely there

white flood is the way to go so far
awesome, again an impressive comparison and glad we came out on top :cool:

[corning_5]

MusclePharm Assault.

It has over 40,000mg of ingredients and has Suma Root
which no other PWO has. Not to mention it tastes like kool aid.
www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclepharm/assault.html

its the way to go

[asuguy]

something with just creatine and arginine and not all that others?

[Deviant Dingo]

please keep us posted with feedback/comparison if you do :)

nice list right there. did you like white flood tabs better than the powder?

awesome, again an impressive comparison and glad we came out on top :cool:

Im thinking of trying WF actually, looks like a good ingredient profile and price.

But fk dude.... Give the marketing a rest, this thread is flooded by u

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[atlboy0o]

have tried NO Shotgun and Superpump and i gotta say Shotgun is where its at

[JSR1974]

Nitric Blast baby!!!!!!

[Pioneer4]

Dark Rage is great for an energy boost and helps get me great pumps. I like it a lot better than No Explode

[wres0688]

NO explode-great so far good pumps and good taste
super pump 250-good pumps decent taste
Nano vapor-good pumps bad taste

[yesaccasey]

Champion Nutrition's GlyPro XTS Stack - Lemon Ice Flavor

I never hear anyone talking about it, but I love it.

White Flood - Love this too, but I feel like I am going to die sometimes
SP250 - Works great but kills my stomach

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Im thinking of trying WF actually, looks like a good ingredient profile and price.

But fk dude.... Give the marketing a rest, this thread is flooded by u


thanks very much :)

in response to your statement, unlike many other companies, we never initiate posts in this section, we reply to customers who either have questions or have used the product :cool:


White Flood - Love this too, but I feel like I am going to die sometimes


now that is a testimonial :D

[NAZstuntz]

how is the shotgun compared to jacked?

[tylerparson]

This may be a stupid question... but where do you get the White Flood?
that seems to be the main choice here...
YOU SHOULD START A POLL WITH THE TOP 5 CHOICES

but i like Juggernaut by Infinite Labs. I pair it with REDLINE energy drink...works great.

[deagleye]

I would have to say my 2 favorite pre work out supplements are Ultimate Orange and NO Xplode. I really can't say which is the top for me. So if I have to pick one, I would say it is the one that I have available at the time of work out.

[jabuckle]

awesome to hear. power or tabs? how did you hear about it?

Powder. I actually heard about it when I asked what the best N.O. product was in a thread I started on these forums. It got the most responses, so I gave it a try.

[ichiro1818]

Champion Nutrition's GlyPro XTS Stack - Lemon Ice Flavor

I never hear anyone talking about it, but I love it.

White Flood - Love this too, but I feel like I am going to die sometimes
SP250 - Works great but kills my stomach

Oh yeah bro!you gotta love it tho!
and sp250 yes sucks on your stomach agree 100%

Have takin sp250 and white flood - both excellent, S.PUMP has creatine in it so that's a plus and white flood is great pure energy...great pumps!...at the moment I'm trying something new with M.A.S.S. Project...Buzzerks awesome taste and pretty decent pumps.

[enswalters]

This may be a stupid question... but where do you get the White Flood?
that seems to be the main choice here...
YOU SHOULD START A POLL WITH THE TOP 5 CHOICES

but i like Juggernaut by Infinite Labs. I pair it with REDLINE energy drink...works great.

bb.com, of course. Best price around, between the combo pack and the 10% off coupon you can't beat the price.

[CompetitiveGain]

ok so i bought my 3rd tub of sp250 2 weeks ago andd..... im out! wtf!


its 50 bucks a tub where i get it ( i know i can probably find it for cheaper but with more hastle) and after taking it for 2 weeks its gone??

yeah.... it only hits me good with 2-3 scoops ( i usually take 2 1/2) and its getting too pricey for me.

Im going back to WF . 35 bucks a tub with small scoops... and that hits me harder than sp250 if i remember correctly... lets hope i get the same pumps.

[G-BOY]

hi guys this is my first post on bb.com.
I am really glad to join it,and hoping to improve and be a huge body builder... :)

As of today i hav not tried any pre-workout suppliment.
i Always take my Optimum Serious Mass 1 Scoop before Workout and my workouts are gr8.
But i want even more intense Workouts...so i am goin to give a try for

ANIMAL PUMP.......

So far hav heard xcellent reviews abt this product...eagerly w8ing for my xams go get over and order some ANimal PUmp......

My vote Definately ANimal Pump...!!

[naturalguy]

hi guys this is my first post on bb.com.
I am really glad to join it,and hoping to improve and be a huge body builder... :)

As of today i hav not tried any pre-workout suppliment.
i Always take my Optimum Serious Mass 1 Scoop before Workout and my workouts are gr8.
But i want even more intense Workouts...so i am goin to give a try for

ANIMAL PUMP.......

So far hav heard xcellent reviews abt this product...eagerly w8ing for my xams go get over and order some ANimal PUmp......

My vote Definately ANimal Pump...!!

You will love Animal Pump.

Right now bb.com is offering a sick deal buy 2 get 1 FREE:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/pump.html

but it's only for a limited time

[xScreaM]

shotgun ftw!

[gentao]

any sites where i can get a free sample of White Flood?

[tylerparson]

bb.com, of course. Best price around, between the combo pack and the 10% off coupon you can't beat the price.

thanks!! i hope its good... that will be my next supp. most likely.

[tylerparson]

any sites where i can get a free sample of White Flood?

bump on this one!! i wanna try this stuff before i order it!!

[PAGrunt]

I wouldn't reccomend naNo Vapor, like pretty much all MuscleTech products it doesn't go very far since you're taking 3 scoops and after awhile the feeling you had when you first took it just isn't there. It also tastes awful. I only had the fruit punch but man I would gag that stuff down sometimes. I was never much of a fan of MuscleTech but that's all they had at the PX and I figured I'd give it a try.

Alot of the guys I know are big fans of NO Xplode, I tried it once and it actually did taste pretty good and gave a pretty good pump.

I just bought Muscle Pharm Assault and waiting for it to arrive.

[doofusdave]

bump on this one!! i wanna try this stuff before i order it!!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

[tylerparson]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

you're the man.
thanks!
also, any tips on whether to pair it with PW or GM? im not too sure which one (or both) to pair it with?
PM me please, so as not to clutter this thread. i'll edit this part out when i get the info for the same reason.

[pmpnballer0311]

you're the man.
thanks!
also, any tips on whether to pair it with PW or GM? im not too sure which one (or both) to pair it with?
PM me please, so as not to clutter this thread. i'll edit this part out when i get the info for the same reason.

I had the same question....I was told to mix 2 scoops of White Flood with 1 Scoop of GreenMag and your set with the best pre workout out there....I ordered my free samples a few days ago so ill let you know what its like...I am just like you I cant wait hahaha

[CONTROLLED LABS]

This may be a stupid question... but where do you get the White Flood?
that seems to be the main choice here...
YOU SHOULD START A POLL WITH THE TOP 5 CHOICES

but i like Juggernaut by Infinite Labs. I pair it with REDLINE energy drink...works great.
bodybuilding.com of course ;)

Powder. I actually heard about it when I asked what the best N.O. product was in a thread I started on these forums. It got the most responses, so I gave it a try.
cool, try the free tablet sample from bb.com when you get the chance.

ok so i bought my 3rd tub of sp250 2 weeks ago andd..... im out! wtf!


its 50 bucks a tub where i get it ( i know i can probably find it for cheaper but with more hastle) and after taking it for 2 weeks its gone??

yeah.... it only hits me good with 2-3 scoops ( i usually take 2 1/2) and its getting too pricey for me.

Im going back to WF . 35 bucks a tub with one scoop... and that scoop hits me harder than sp250 if i remember correctly... lets hope i get the same pumps. cool, just make sure to cycle off stims for 10 days before you start back up on white flood

[tylerparson]

I had the same question....I was told to mix 2 scoops of White Flood with 1 Scoop of GreenMag and your set with the best pre workout out there....I ordered my free samples a few days ago so ill let you know what its like...I am just like you I cant wait hahaha

sounds like a winner to me.
keep me posted!! im going to order mine tomorrow!

[Deviant Dingo]

I reckon WF looks the best as a preworkout supp, theyve listed the ingredients. Its pretty straight forward aswell, energiser, AAKG and beta alanine... Might buy this I reckon and add some citrulline malate myself....

I had a look at jacked, not enough amount of **** in it, and too much caffiene if you wanted to double the dose or wateva.

SP250, looks ok, you hear good **** about it but i dont really want aminos in my preworkout, they also dont have beta allanine or citrulline malate. Same with NOshotgun, its got the aminos in there yet again... Dont want that ****, if i wanna use aminos ill buy in bulk and superdose them.

The Muscletech products have that proprietary bull****, after watching stronger bigger faster I wouldnt touch that proprietary bull**** with 10ft pole.

The profile of NOxplode looks really good, actually everything id want, energy, AAKG, CM, beta alanine, antioxidants, bodysalts, creatine. Too bad its a bull**** proprietary blend, the ONLY reason to do that **** is to rip us off.

(currently using now, good results) Black powder by MRI, has creatine mix, AAKG mix, salts, beta alanine, energy and a small amount of whey peptide. Its buy2 get 1 free at the moment too, makes it a pretty attractive buy!

Then also animal pump is buy2 get 1 free. Their profile looks OK, not really as good as others. Also the tablets wouldnt be as good for absorption as the everescent powders, which is kinda important really.

Can anyone add to this, or make observations I may have missed?

Love to be able to go through and break it all down by price aswell per ingredients etc itd be too hard though, im also not sure whether even them listing ingredient amounts in secondary proprietary breakdowns allows them to add fillers and **** anyway.

[justjosh]

hi guys this is my first post on bb.com.
I am really glad to join it,and hoping to improve and be a huge body builder... :)

As of today i hav not tried any pre-workout suppliment.
i Always take my Optimum Serious Mass 1 Scoop before Workout and my workouts are gr8.
But i want even more intense Workouts...so i am goin to give a try for

ANIMAL PUMP.......

So far hav heard xcellent reviews abt this product...eagerly w8ing for my xams go get over and order some ANimal PUmp......

My vote Definately ANimal Pump...!!


how are you voting for a pre workout when you've never used any of them?

[doublexl85]

White Flood Ftw!

[G-BOY]

You will love Animal Pump.

Right now bb.com is offering a sick deal buy 2 get 1 FREE:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/pump.html

but it's only for a limited time

ty for the news dude.....will stick to animal pump.......and will buy it soon.

But i hav 1 Question....to all....plz help me...--->
My Dad also does body building...hes been doin it for past 6 months...
My dads age is 45.

He used to do indian wrestling i.e."Kusti" whn he was young till arnd 28.
He has loads of strength...but due to discontinuity his wts in the gym dropped....

Now along with me i am goin to intorduce animal pump to my DAD.
But i am afraid to do so as i hav heard sumwhr that above age 45 any NO product is not recommended as it disturbs the blood flow in the body and causes high/low blood pressure...how true is dis...?

Current Suppliment my dad is taking is MuscleTechs NitroTech Hardcore.
He has had gud workout and body results with it.

SO shud my dad also try Animal Pump with me....?

Please help me.....TY.

[XnewcastleX]

.

SP250, looks ok, you hear good **** about it but i dont really want aminos in my preworkout, they also dont have beta allanine or citrulline malate. Same with NOshotgun, its got the aminos in there yet again... Dont want that ****, if i wanna use aminos ill buy in bulk and superdose them.

The Muscletech products have that proprietary bull****, after watching stronger bigger faster I wouldnt touch that proprietary bull**** with 10ft pole.

The profile of NOxplode looks really good, actually everything id want, energy, AAKG, CM, beta alanine, antioxidants, bodysalts, creatine. Too bad its a bull**** proprietary blend, the ONLY reason to do that **** is to rip us off.

First off, aminos are absolutely essential both pre- and post- workout. it doesn't hurt to have it in there, it will only help you. if you're writing off a pre-workout supplement just because it contains aminos, there's something very wrong there.

Also, as much as I agree with you about the whole "proprietary blend" fiasco, you do have to understand that when a company gets to a certain size, it just makes a whole lot more sense for them, cost-wise, to manufacture certain products using a proprietary blend... in SOME things. yes it's realistically not the best way of doing things from a customer's point of view, but if you're a manufacturer these are certain decisions that they have to make in order to streamline production and bring down costs to customers.

the best way of shopping for supplements is to go with a REPUTABLE COMPANY. for example - if you buy from BSN, as much as you might like NO-XPLODE, I'm sure you know about the lawsuits by now. I believe their label claims about as much as I believe the solicitor at my door trying to sell me life insurance. so you can pretty much throw their product, and their proprietary blend, out the window. there are definitely companies out there that do use proprietary blends in some of their products, that are also reputable and trustworthy.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I reckon WF looks the best as a preworkout supp, theyve listed the ingredients. Its pretty straight forward aswell, energiser, AAKG and beta alanine... Might buy this I reckon and add some citrulline malate myself....

I had a look at jacked, not enough amount of **** in it, and too much caffiene if you wanted to double the dose or wateva.

SP250, looks ok, you hear good **** about it but i dont really want aminos in my preworkout, they also dont have beta allanine or citrulline malate. Same with NOshotgun, its got the aminos in there yet again... Dont want that ****, if i wanna use aminos ill buy in bulk and superdose them.

The Muscletech products have that proprietary bull****, after watching stronger bigger faster I wouldnt touch that proprietary bull**** with 10ft pole.

The profile of NOxplode looks really good, actually everything id want, energy, AAKG, CM, beta alanine, antioxidants, bodysalts, creatine. Too bad its a bull**** proprietary blend, the ONLY reason to do that **** is to rip us off.

(currently using now, good results) Black powder by MRI, has creatine mix, AAKG mix, salts, beta alanine, energy and a small amount of whey peptide. Its buy2 get 1 free at the moment too, makes it a pretty attractive buy!

Then also animal pump is buy2 get 1 free. Their profile looks OK, not really as good as others. Also the tablets wouldnt be as good for absorption as the everescent powders, which is kinda important really.

Can anyone add to this, or make observations I may have missed?

Love to be able to go through and break it all down by price aswell per ingredients etc itd be too hard though, im also not sure whether even them listing ingredient amounts in secondary proprietary breakdowns allows them to add fillers and **** anyway.
you will love it. let us know your feedback once you try white flood :)

White Flood Ftw!

:)

[Nonopb]

Q :
how are you voting for a pre workout when you've never used any of them?

A: He of course relies on the marketing team to get them facts!

As for me

I've been sampling a lot of pre-workout product...I'll some up all of my testing in one big review soon enough but the ones that I really liked are up to now (I am probably forgetting one):

White Flood (possibly getting some nasty sides of it as I was persuaded weights in the gym were significantly smaller than usual)
Juggernault
Fubar

[dabrooks31]

NO shotgun V3 is the best in my opinion. Only prework out with 20 grams of protein added, plenty of aminos, creatine, and gives excellent pump and energy for a full work out.

[JAKEOZ187]

Mix Superpump 250 with 8oz of 100% natural grape juice 20-15 min before workout. Hits me pretty fast.

[Golfermoney]

for me its been hard to find a pre-workout supplement that gives me a great pump without bothering my stomach. As of now I've tried superpump 250, no-xplode, and supercharge. I think the no-xplode gave me the best pump, but made me feel really full and bloated (try working out abs like that), the superpump is what I'm on right now, and its just tearing my stomach up. Supercharge didn't bother my stomach and was the best tasting of the three, but I didn't feel a pump as well after the first couple times I took it.

So i guess I'll just keep searching for the right one- I'm gonna try shotgun or white flood next i guess

[sports000]

So, I am back and replying once again about White Flood. I have used numerous NO's products, and I must say, White Flood after 1 1/2 wks use, is STILL kicking for me. NO explode after a very short time i got used to it, and my body stopped reacting, and NANO Vapor, after ONE night, i didn't feel anything. White Flood i have taken 2 scoops 15 mins before workout every time (i work out 6 days a weeek) and it has been 1 1/2 wks and it is STILL going strong. I am very impressed, and nonetheless, the beta-alanine is still flowing. Tingling yes, not as much as first couple of days. But the main thing that i love about WF is the focus/energy/stamina levels of my workouts. It has given me 150% of each of those categories from start to finish. No other product has given me that kind of results. I thank you Controlled Labs for supplying us this product, keep up the good work.

[Deviant Dingo]

First off, aminos are absolutely essential both pre- and post- workout. it doesn't hurt to have it in there, it will only help you. if you're writing off a pre-workout supplement just because it contains aminos, there's something very wrong there.

Im writing it off because I personally dont believe they are "absolutely essential" If they were "absolutely essential" as you put it, then anyone not using them would be getting no results. The anabolic window training period **** is a load of crap, aminos super dosed over the course of a day have shown results. Please educate me where it has been shown that aminos are "absolutely essential" pre/during workout, im pretty sure the meal I eat before I train does the job just fine....

Also, as much as I agree with you about the whole "proprietary blend" fiasco, you do have to understand that when a company gets to a certain size, it just makes a whole lot more sense for them, cost-wise, to manufacture certain products using a proprietary blend... in SOME things. yes it's realistically not the best way of doing things from a customer's point of view, but if you're a manufacturer these are certain decisions that they have to make in order to streamline production and bring down costs to customers.

How so? How does not informing us on the exact quantities of what we're paying for help keep the costs down? The reason you do it is so you can put less of the expensive material in there and bolster the proprietary blend with less expensive ingredient. Again, educate me to believe your claim? That bull**** wouldnt fly in Australia, the FDA needs to pull its neck out and get with it. Companies in Australia are forced to list products in order of ingredient percentage.

the best way of shopping for supplements is to go with a REPUTABLE COMPANY. for example - if you buy from BSN, as much as you might like NO-XPLODE, I'm sure you know about the lawsuits by now. I believe their label claims about as much as I believe the solicitor at my door trying to sell me life insurance. so you can pretty much throw their product, and their proprietary blend, out the window. there are definitely companies out there that do use proprietary blends in some of their products, that are also reputable and trustworthy.

Bull****. Why would any one company be more reputable than another? They all have the same process, sell product make money. Supplements arent a charity, no ones selling that **** for the love of the sport.

Its stupid in heinsight to be so picky about such small **** as supplements, but when you're spending hundreds on them each month its worth taking note of what youre paying for.




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[Icicle]

i see all this hype about white flood but it never kicked in for me :(

any other suggestions besides WF?

[chuntsman949]

I have been taking NO Shotgun for a while; I hit the gym after work around 630 at night.... No Shotgun has never caused any sleeping problems for me, will white flood?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So, I am back and replying once again about White Flood. I have used numerous NO's products, and I must say, White Flood after 1 1/2 wks use, is STILL kicking for me. NO explode after a very short time i got used to it, and my body stopped reacting, and NANO Vapor, after ONE night, i didn't feel anything. White Flood i have taken 2 scoops 15 mins before workout every time (i work out 6 days a weeek) and it has been 1 1/2 wks and it is STILL going strong. I am very impressed, and nonetheless, the beta-alanine is still flowing. Tingling yes, not as much as first couple of days. But the main thing that i love about WF is the focus/energy/stamina levels of my workouts. It has given me 150% of each of those categories from start to finish. No other product has given me that kind of results. I thank you Controlled Labs for supplying us this product, keep up the good work.
thank you for your feedback :)

i see all this hype about white flood but it never kicked in for me :(

any other suggestions besides WF?
its not "hype" its feedback from users.

were you using a stim product before you used it? did you stim cycle at all?

I have been taking NO Shotgun for a while; I hit the gym after work around 630 at night.... No Shotgun has never caused any sleeping problems for me, will white flood?

if no shotgun didnt, then white flood shouldnt either.

[I_Am_Spartan91]

Hey i was wondering how to get some free samples of the white flood, green mag, etc. etc. i just started working out on a consistant basis and was looking into some new pre workout drinkns ive been useing the NANO vapor and think its great i feel so focused on the workout i have at hand i just ignore everything else it gives me great pump and great energy but once you get to the point of 2-3 scoops you deffinately feel a crash after the workout so if anyone could help me out it would be much appreciated

[Wearwolf51]

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Free form aminos pre and during are very effective at keeping muscle tissues from catabolising.

The FDA is a drain on all of America. They do what is in the interest of there pocket book.

Proprietary blends hinder copy cats and protect formulas in an industry that is full of similar products.

Some supplement companies are more reputable then others, just as any other type of business. A good way to tell is to see if the company gives out free samples and or cheap sample packs. If they are confident that their product is effective they will usually send you a sample or two to try.

[nalder89]

K so i just spent like 15 minutes typing up this big long response, and when i hit post it gave me like a server timed out or some gay crap like that. just my luck.

in short, tried no xplode, tried superpump, tried black powder, and am now on Armageddon, by Starchem Labs. if you're going to try it, DON'T GET THE GRAY BOTTLE. get the black one, it's the newer revamped product, doesn't taste like **** :D the rest of my post talked about reading about what the stuff in all these NO products actually do. most of your "focus" comes from caffeine and vitamin B12. for a solid pump, you need about 3.5-5 grams of L Arginine alpha ketoglutarate, and a little under a thousand mg of Beta Alanine, and some other 'stuff' (proprietary blend) of enzymes that help in the synthase process (converting the arginine to nitric oxide). beta alanin's key role isn't vasodilation though, which is what a lot of people think, or they don't even know what it is used for. it's used to put carnosine into your muscles, which increases the PH+ level and decrease the acidity levels. Giving you more time to workout and not feel fatigued. in order to achieve this, you need to be on a laoding phase, 6 G/Day, spread out over 3 times (2 G 3 times a day), for 21-28 days (clinicaly tested). after that, 4 grams/day, keep on it for at LEAST 12 weeks. that's where you'll start noticing big strength gains in the 7-15 rep range, and an increased anaerobic threshold of up to 15% (point where acid builds up too much for your body to get rid of it itself). you DON'T have to cycle Beta Alanine. it's primary function is NOT to promote vasodilation. if you're lookin for strength gains in the 1-7 rep range, take creatine. taken both together? a study showed that men who took them together gained 5kg of muscle in 10 weeks.

one of the main sources of this knowledge is in the following:

http://performancenutritionshow.com/pastshows/06_0628.html

http://www.betaalanine.info/

http://performancenutritionshow.com/pastshows/08_0713.html

if you have any questions, or would like to discuss, don't be a *** and start attacking/hating. i'm always up for education/reeducation.

thanks!
oh, and for dirt cheap Beta Alanine, arginine, and any other amino acid, or even caffeine if you want to make your own NO product, go to

www.purebulk.com

[nalder89]

oh and as for reputable companies, i ordered the gray bottle of armageddon, called and told them it tasted like puke, and asked if that's how their products are supposed to taste, and they are sending me a replacement tub, with the new product, within the next 3 days. WAY good customer service. i think it might have been that i bought it from a private seller on amazon, could have been why the texture was so effed up, and it tasted like garbage. either way, they came through. not a bunch of money thirsty dogs.

[MafdetX]

Preworkout supplements seem to have a minimal effect on me for the most part, and I have never really tried any of them too extensively. I've really only sampled them for a few workouts or a sample or two.

So far I have tried:

NO Shotgun v3
NO Explode
White Flood Tablets Sample
Cytonox
Jacked
ON's Vassive NO

None of these worked for me at all. NO Explode gave me the occasional good lift but also the occasional horrible bathroom session. Surprisingly, Cytonox actually worked well for me despite it being a muscletech manufactured product. I plan on picking up a bottle to see how it really is.

I plan on trying these very soon:

SuperPump 250
Black Powder
White Flood Powder

Superpump gets really good reviews all the time and so does White Flood Powder. Granted, the tablets I took did absolutely nothing for me which was strange. But since everybody jocks Controlled Labs so much around here I'm willing to pick up some of the powder and see what's up.

Could my minimal effects be because I have not taken these products for weeks at a time?

[EvilBlaster]

How old I must be to use supplements ?

[nalder89]

How old I must be to use supplements ?

i'm no doctor, and i tried to find info on using arginine based products at a young age. couldn't find anything. I do know though, that if you want to start on a beta alanine supplement, it's completely safe for teens. one of the reasons being, is that you can get a normal dose of beta alanine from eating 4 pounds of chicken a day. nobody wants to do that, so they would rather just take a supp. hope this helps

[EvilBlaster]

How old I must be to use supplements ?

Thanks

[TMONEY20]

Has anyone tried MusclePharm's Assault pre workout?

[Joe650]

These days the market is saturated with preworkout pump amplifying and energy supplements. I've tried a variety with good results from each, keep in mind each has its own formula which benefits differently from one another, and in my experience each person's results will vary. Here's my take:

No Shotgun: 8/10, no crash and easy on my stomach, good blend of ingredients.

Full Blown Extreme: 7/10, this stuff was too powerful for me, it amp'd me up too high. This is hard core with lots of caffeine.

NO Xplode: 8.5/10, very even and consistent, good pump. This one is always a repeat purchase.

Fast Twitch: 9/10, this is one of my favorites, it provides an endo-thermogenic effect while amplifying nitric oxide levels. Good Stuff, my mainstay....

Superpump 250: 8.5/10 great stuff, follow-up with postworkout Sizeon for maximum results.

Gakic: 7/10, the arginine and xanthinol nicotinate (caffeine) will get you going, you will feel stronger and less fatigued.

I would like to try White Flood, based upon your reviews, it will be my next purchase. Let me know what you think, Joe650

[BrayDub]

Ive bin Using isatori morph been havin awsome results with it but only been taken on training days just for that energy boost.it says on the bottle to take every day but i cant figer out why you would want to do that im just new to the game so could someone explain 2 me the upside of taking it every day instead of just pre workout because with my weights improving so much and a good diet im geting the results off just taken it one training days im thinkin why take it every other day?(saves money 2)
someone prove me wrong without biting my head off lol


cheers

[pbfanatic321]

i am currently taking sp250, and it is horrible. there are no pumps at all and i do not see a difference in weight. i took 2 scoops and it seemed like it helped a little more than 1 scoop..

how is nano vapor? anyone every try that?

[sbcrockett]

nalder- I'll chime in here about the Armageddon. I bought a clearance container from a reputable supplement chain (they were not going to be carrying it anymore) and I will tell you the effects were intense. Probably the best on the pre-workout supps I've tried. You're right, the taste was borderline nasty, I had the orange flavor. BUT, when I tried ordering some online, they had changed the color of the powder and I'm assuming the formula too, because the second batch didn't do a damn thing except taste bad.

I didn't know how much I missed my Myogenix Hypershock though until I went off it for several weeks...now that I've weened myself off of it, I seem to be doing pretty good intensity-wise just using some caffeine and some fruit before my workouts. I do miss how the Hypershock kinda gave me that "Superman" feeling all day long though...

[nalder89]

nalder- I'll chime in here about the Armageddon. I bought a clearance container from a reputable supplement chain (they were not going to be carrying it anymore) and I will tell you the effects were intense. Probably the best on the pre-workout supps I've tried. You're right, the taste was borderline nasty, I had the orange flavor. BUT, when I tried ordering some online, they had changed the color of the powder and I'm assuming the formula too, because the second batch didn't do a damn thing except taste bad.

I didn't know how much I missed my Myogenix Hypershock though until I went off it for several weeks...now that I've weened myself off of it, I seem to be doing pretty good intensity-wise just using some caffeine and some fruit before my workouts. I do miss how the Hypershock kinda gave me that "Superman" feeling all day long though...

Did you go down from 2 scoops from the old stuff to just one with the new stuff or something? that's wierd that you got less of a reaction from the new stuff. it's supposed to be in a black bottle, is that the stuff you used? oh, and i called about the free tub, he said he has to talk to his boss about getting it for me. i'm guessing he's going to come back and say that his boss said no. i'm also gonna try two scoops of the nasty stuff tomorrow. if i can get it down and not puke it all up.

[jvaughan08]

i am not a fan of vapor or superpump i did not like them, they made me sick to my stomach. plus nano has yohimbe which i do not trust

i like white flood and no xplode

but white flood is def the best. great pump and mental buzz that lasts

[Surive123]

I didn't know how much I missed my Myogenix Hypershock though until I went off it for several weeks...now that I've weened myself off of it, I seem to be doing pretty good intensity-wise just using some caffeine and some fruit before my workouts. I do miss how the Hypershock kinda gave me that "Superman" feeling all day long though...

This is AWESOME to hear! I am glad you are lovin' it :D

The fruit flavor is my favorite for sure. Berry comes in a close 2nd :D

[Surive123]

MyoGenix Hyper SHock - Gave me the craziest pumps I've ever had. So bad that it would hurt. Best Energy and focus NO I've ever tried. The 8-hour sustained release NO was dope, but I could not sleep at all with this product ever. Also it gave me the worst acne ever. I was completely clear before this product and it made me break out with the vengeance. Skin became extremely oily from this product. If you're not acne prone and you workout in the am/ early pm. This product is the best hands down.


Ballin!!

:cool:


Awesome feedback!

[CompetitiveGain]

isnt that fun. real talk

[JayHardGainz]

I have to go with everyone else Ive used NO Xplode- Super Pump 250- And White Flood and White Flood is my favorite. Though i really felt i might explode after doin some DL's my lower back was tryin to rip out and smack the guy doin curls on a Smith next to me

[JayHardGainz]

How old I must be to use supplements ?

Stick with Protein and Creatine maybe a good weight gainer such as MHP Up Your Mass and yes beta alanine would be good for you. Look for a creatine that has Beta Alanine added. Other than that an Amino Acid supp would be all you need. Dont go messin with Test boosters and all that.

[nalder89]

I have to go with everyone else Ive used NO Xplode- Super Pump 250- And White Flood and White Flood is my favorite. Though i really felt i might explode after doin some DL's my lower back was tryin to rip out and smack the guy doin curls on a Smith next to me

have you or anyone else tried armageddon yet? supposedly you don't have to cycle it, but we'll see. i effed up this morning. took two scoops at 5, and at 5:30 was leavin for the gym and realized they didn't open until 8!! so i hurried and called lifetime fitness half hour away, got them to let me in for free just once, but it took me another half hour to get there. i was buggin out yo! shakin in the car, part in due to the cold weather, but still. by the time i got to the gym it's peak had worn off. pissed the hell outa me. might try it again monday or tuesday, when i can actually get to the gym on time and use us it. although, the 360 mg of caffeine with two scoops is pretty intense, and i've been peein all day. not to mention mad squirts. outed like at least a cups worth in half a second. HAHA overshare!!

oh, and just so everyone knows, only thing the squirts come from is a large caffeine intake. some NO products have more in them than others, which is why some give you the squirts and some don't. caffeine is a natural diahretic, or however you spell that word :P

[BrandonSch]

AST's Anabolic Rush still worked the best for me as far as strength, endurance, and nitric oxide production goes.
STR: 9/10
NO: 9/10
STA:10/10

Im just about finished with CL's White Flood and PW pre-workout stack, it worked more like a thermogenic for me, no pumps, but hey... it got the job done I suppose... or at least the food did throughout the week.
STR: 8/10
NO: 7.5/10
STA: 8/10

I've also tried SP250 and and Super Charge, both of which did nothing for me.
STR/NO/STA: Well, lets not go there.... considering they did nothing.

Recently tried a couple samples of Universal's ST, tastes amazing, EXTREMELY easy on the stomach, but did not feel much strength, mental, stamina, nor nitric oxide.
STR: 7/10
NO: 6/10
STA: 7/10

Going to try USP's Jacked before I go back onto Anabolic Rush, and post back on my reviews on that product.

[8footballQB]

best ive tried has been white flood

[Go_Corona]

I haven't really tried much but the best that i have tried was a sample of myoshock and I felt energized and could do more reps

[BrayDub]

Ive bin Using isatori morph been havin awsome results with it but only been taken on training days just for that energy boost.it says on the bottle to take every day but i cant figer out why you would want to do that im just new to the game so could someone explain 2 me the upside of taking it every day instead of just pre workout because with my weights improving so much and a good diet im geting the results off just taken it one training days im thinkin why take it every other day?(saves money 2)
someone prove me wrong without biting my head off lol


cheers\

Any help???

[jschmalz]

I'm new here and wanted to give my $.02. I've tried No xplod, superpump, white flood, and arnge crush. The best energy I got from those was the Arnge Crush, but you cannot find that anywhere. The best pumps came from SP250, but it tore my stomach up. My favorite overall would have to be the White Flood just cause it is pretty consistent and have great stamina during my workouts.

[Wearwolf51]

4 Nitro Tropic is awesome and on sale. I know Im biased but Ive tried a lot of NOs and within a half a tub (and sometimes one and a half for the better ones) I have such a high tolerance that Its like drinking a cup of coffee pre workout- no pump, no vasodialation, and a little energy spike that crashes two minutes after taking the product.

Im my third tub of 4 Nitro and am still having awesome results. Killer pumps, killer workouts, crazy vasodialation and amazing energy. Give it a shot, its on 3 for the price of 2 right now.

[throwerr]

White Flood. Gives me great focus and strength not to mention you get tons of servings per container.

[furyhockey]

i am currently taking sp250, and it is horrible. there are no pumps at all and i do not see a difference in weight. i took 2 scoops and it seemed like it helped a little more than 1 scoop..

how is nano vapor? anyone every try that?

I agree i took sp250 had no pumps, focus but had a little bit of energy. I've also tried nanovapor got the same nothing results. I love white flood, no shotgun and no explode was ok.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I would like to try White Flood, based upon your reviews, it will be my next purchase. Let me know what you think, Joe650
you will love it, keep us posted when you get a chance to give it a try :)

i am not a fan of vapor or superpump i did not like them, they made me sick to my stomach. plus nano has yohimbe which i do not trust

i like white flood and no xplode

but white flood is def the best. great pump and mental buzz that lasts


I have to go with everyone else Ive used NO Xplode- Super Pump 250- And White Flood and White Flood is my favorite. Though i really felt i might explode after doin some DL's my lower back was tryin to rip out and smack the guy doin curls on a Smith next to me


best ive tried has been white flood


I'm new here and wanted to give my $.02. I've tried No xplod, superpump, white flood, and arnge crush. The best energy I got from those was the Arnge Crush, but you cannot find that anywhere. The best pumps came from SP250, but it tore my stomach up. My favorite overall would have to be the White Flood just cause it is pretty consistent and have great stamina during my workouts.


White Flood. Gives me great focus and strength not to mention you get tons of servings per container.
wow, glad to hear it guys, thanks for voting white flood #1 :)

[bubba06]

I have tried alot of supplements, the preworkout products I have tried are no-xplode, shock therapy, nano vapor, and whiteflood and If I had to rate them overall it would go

1 whiteflood
2 shocktherapy
3nano vapor (crazy pumps)
4no-xplode (too much of a crash)

[ctsondubbs]

No Shotgun

[barook]

looking to try some white flood, but do you guys find it hard not to take these supplements after you've tried them? hard to cycle off them? is it like **** i need to buy that stuff again?

[MikeCellucor]

I look at them as improving every workout, and at the end of the year ( so to speak) I will have gained more strength and or muscle than without them.

I think the hardest part to cycle off of is the pre-workouts that are higher in stims. I usually only use them on workout days to combat this, but I do tend to take in caffiene from multiple placs anyway. From Dark Chocalate to coffee to weightloss/enery supps.

As long as I stay loaded on creatine I have never really lost any gains, and or dropped in strength, but I have been using Kre-alkalyn exclusively for a year now. CEE for 3 years prior to that, and then 7 years of Monohydrate use.

[gym-bob]

no xplode is so far my favorite. nano vapor also worked well but taste horrible. a friend is trying to get me to try no plasmacore. anybody had any luck with this.

[BigShot11]

what would you guys recomend for a person who is very caffiene sensitive...haha if i drink a soda i have problems lol ...but not any problems with other supps... i really would like to find a pre workout supp that is caffiene free!!

[tical2000]

Top 3:

1. Shock Therapy
2. NO Shotgun
3. SuperPump 250

[4simac]

Top 3:

1. Shock Therapy
2. NO Shotgun
3. SuperPump 250



So are there any pre-workout drinks that aren't loaded with artificial colors and artificial sweeteners? Or do I have to try to make my own? All three of the ones listed above are loaded with artificial colors, flavors, and sweeteners.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have tried alot of supplements, the preworkout products I have tried are no-xplode, shock therapy, nano vapor, and whiteflood and If I had to rate them overall it would go

1 whiteflood
2 shocktherapy
3nano vapor (crazy pumps)
4no-xplode (too much of a crash)
awesome, glad we are #1 in your book, thanks :cool:

looking to try some white flood, but do you guys find it hard not to take these supplements after you've tried them? hard to cycle off them? is it like **** i need to buy that stuff again?

they arent "addictive" but the gains that you can achieve indirectly, are :)

[Paul_2_Oh]

what would you guys recomend for a person who is very caffiene sensitive...haha if i drink a soda i have problems lol ...but not any problems with other supps... i really would like to find a pre workout supp that is caffiene free!!
If you want something with power and without the stims, try Animal Pump. All you need to do is take out the red stimulant pill from a pack and rock on. It's a terrific option for those re-sensitizing to stims as well.

[bpalla]

Do you have to cycle off white flood?

I have been taking No Xplode and it worked, but i mean just like previous posters have said the crash is rough and by the end of the cycle you are loading up on 3 scoops and the crashes get worse it seems.

It looks like good reviews of white flood and it doesn't seem to have creatine in it? I am currently taking monohydrate post workout and don't feel like combining 2 creatine products...still taking it easy.

Anyways been reading product descriptions and what not and most things will actually say to cycle off, but white flood doesn't.

[kevin_titus]

So are there any pre-workout drinks that aren't loaded with artificial colors and artificial sweeteners? Or do I have to try to make my own? All three of the ones listed above are loaded with artificial colors, flavors, and sweeteners.

I too would like to find one that isn't loaded with artificial bull**** colors and flavors.

I think it is ironic people who are supposedly into health and fitness consume VAST amounts of HFCS and ASPARTAME... esp when the HFCS has amounts of mercury in it.

[pwsh8]

awesome, glad we are #1 in your book, thanks :cool:


they arent "addictive" but the gains that you can achieve indirectly, are :)


Hey Controlled Labs. I have already gone through a whole tub of White Flood, and I am also using the Green Mag. Today I went and bought the large (1.something lb) tub of White Flood. I noticed that when I opened the container that it was very clumped up. I'm sure the larger tubs sit on the shelves for longer than the smaller ones. Problem is I am drinking the white flood now, about two scoops as recommended and it's tasting very bitter. I don't remember this from the first tub of Flood that i had. From what I remember the Flood tasted great, just like any of your products that i've tried. The Expiration date isn't until like 2011. It's just like a weird bitter aftertaste. Should I take it back and get another one ? I just got done with some N.O. Shotgun and decided to go back to White Flood !! Why's it tasting weird : ( !
Thanks

[Pulits]

So far I've tried SuperPump250, naNo Vapor, N.O Xplode and Supercharge. I'm still missing White Flood.

But so far, Supercharge is my favorite! By FAR. :D

[rofiel]

So are there any pre-workout drinks that aren't loaded with artificial colors and artificial sweeteners? Or do I have to try to make my own? All three of the ones listed above are loaded with artificial colors, flavors, and sweeteners.

Rofl you are taking a pre w/o supplement and worrying about the artificial sweeteners? Have you looked at the ingrediants in some of these pre workouts? Some of this stuff is known rat poision, insomnia treatment, and other ingrediants. Anyway, if you are THAT concerned about artificial sweetening, even though you are willing to take this other stuff, stay away from any with aspartame. Pre w/o's in pill form, even if they have sweeteners, will hold little amounts. As of now, sucralose is safer than aspartame

[jvaughan08]

Hey Controlled Labs. I have already gone through a whole tub of White Flood, and I am also using the Green Mag. Today I went and bought the large (1.something lb) tub of White Flood. I noticed that when I opened the container that it was very clumped up. I'm sure the larger tubs sit on the shelves for longer than the smaller ones. Problem is I am drinking the white flood now, about two scoops as recommended and it's tasting very bitter. I don't remember this from the first tub of Flood that i had. From what I remember the Flood tasted great, just like any of your products that i've tried. The Expiration date isn't until like 2011. It's just like a weird bitter aftertaste. Should I take it back and get another one ? I just got done with some N.O. Shotgun and decided to go back to White Flood !! Why's it tasting weird : ( !
Thanks

it's just really strong....add more water. I use it too, I just added more water. Mix it with green mag it will taste really good.

[enswalters]

what would you guys recomend for a person who is very caffiene sensitive...haha if i drink a soda i have problems lol ...but not any problems with other supps... i really would like to find a pre workout supp that is caffiene free!!

White blood by CL, or Animal Pump w/o the red pill. Either one is very good without any stimulants in them.

[furyhockey]

looking to try some white flood, but do you guys find it hard not to take these supplements after you've tried them? hard to cycle off them? is it like **** i need to buy that stuff again?


Yes i find it very hard to cycle off. I try to take a week off before starting up another pre workout supp.

[Jhead710]

I was wondering the real differences between the two products: Cellucor M5 Extreme and MRI Black Powder. I didn't know if they could be taken together for a real result difference or if you could use one and be just fine. At the moment I have the Cellucor and use that but I was thinking about picking up some Black Powder from GNC as well as it's buy one get one on their website with free shipping ha and i've been wanting to try it out. Respond Back Please

[jvaughan08]

Yes i find it very hard to cycle off. I try to take a week off before starting up another pre workout supp.

just a week? i know on no xplode it says four weeks.

I take white flood tho...I'm gonna try to cycle off for at least a month, or try their stim free supp white blood

[corning_5]

Hey, has anybody tried assualt its by musclepharm. Its better then NO explode and Nano Vapor.

[fischetti]

It seems that controlled labs has changed thier WHITE FLOOD Arginine from a ester to AKG why????just have a look at google images of white flood supplement facts on the containers.

[Taxguy]

I have tried several, but recently detemined that I am allergic to beta-alanine. Scanning the ingredients, it appears that everyone is putting BA in their NO products these days. Does anyone know of a good one that does not have BA in it? Thanks

[bpalla]

Braydub I am with ya man I can't figure it out either, except with supplements like No Xplode and shotgun where you are getting creatine in them as well...by taking it daily you keep your creatine storage in your body stacked so you always are at a maintence level...that would be why with those. As far as the ones without creatine I don't know either, I am new as well so I would like to find as well.

Also just recieved White flood today, pretty impressed. I ran out of no xplode and wanted to try something different. Saw on here that White Flood was consistently being voted top so I tried.

My review:

Pretty good. I took it in the most terrible of conditions to try out a product for the first time. Basically huge drinking night last night, stayed up till like 5 in the morn got up and wanted to get a work out in. Popped a protein shake, and then took 2 scoops of white flood. So far so good. No crash, no real jitters like no xplode a good amount of focus but not too much...

all in all I liked it will try and post more as i use it in better environments

[MrAnaconda]

White Flood for life baby!

[zeebodybuilder]

White Flood for life baby!

You serious.. I never used Contolled labs green mag,whitelflood,purple wrath. Maybe 1 day I will..

[dungeon_kpr]

i have half a 800g tub sitting right next to me( i had to grab it to make sure you were talking about the same S***T i had)...THIS STUFF SUX, crappy taste (blue ras) and got nothing from it, NO pump, NO energy, NOTHING, i get more out of a cup of coffee then i did with this JUNK...BUT this WHITE FLOOD does look interesting tho

[MrAnaconda]

Zee - I'm a no BS straight talker. For years i have used tons of differnt supps. And my CL stack has been the best supps i have ever used. I wont use any other supps, but CL. And that includes White Flood. You should give em a try. You wont regret it. I know i don't.

[gjames13]

^^^^^Definitely. NO Explode worked for all of two weeks even with upping the dose, and made me feel terrible after.

I have tried many other pre-workout supps, and nothing has made me feel as good or as CLEAN as White Flood. No crash, no jitters, just great pumps, sustained energy and focus throughout the workout.

No creatine, and tastes good. All around winner for me.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Do you have to cycle off white flood?

I have been taking No Xplode and it worked, but i mean just like previous posters have said the crash is rough and by the end of the cycle you are loading up on 3 scoops and the crashes get worse it seems.

It looks like good reviews of white flood and it doesn't seem to have creatine in it? I am currently taking monohydrate post workout and don't feel like combining 2 creatine products...still taking it easy.

Anyways been reading product descriptions and what not and most things will actually say to cycle off, but white flood doesn't.
yes, any stim product should be cycled. after each tub stay off all stims for 10 days before starting back up again.

Hey Controlled Labs. I have already gone through a whole tub of White Flood, and I am also using the Green Mag. Today I went and bought the large (1.something lb) tub of White Flood. I noticed that when I opened the container that it was very clumped up. I'm sure the larger tubs sit on the shelves for longer than the smaller ones. Problem is I am drinking the white flood now, about two scoops as recommended and it's tasting very bitter. I don't remember this from the first tub of Flood that i had. From what I remember the Flood tasted great, just like any of your products that i've tried. The Expiration date isn't until like 2011. It's just like a weird bitter aftertaste. Should I take it back and get another one ? I just got done with some N.O. Shotgun and decided to go back to White Flood !! Why's it tasting weird : ( !
Thanks send me a pm with more info including where you purchased it.


So far I've tried SuperPump250, naNo Vapor, N.O Xplode and Supercharge. I'm still missing White Flood.

But so far, Supercharge is my favorite! By FAR. :D
you NEED to try white flood, you will thank yourself later ;)

White blood by CL, or Animal Pump w/o the red pill. Either one is very good without any stimulants in them.
white blood doesnt get as much notice as white flood, but its a great stim free option

It seems that controlled labs has changed thier WHITE FLOOD Arginine from a ester to AKG why????just have a look at google images of white flood supplement facts on the containers.
this was done after the very first bath 1-2 years ago. the taste was improved as well as the clumping with the change.

Braydub I am with ya man I can't figure it out either, except with supplements like No Xplode and shotgun where you are getting creatine in them as well...by taking it daily you keep your creatine storage in your body stacked so you always are at a maintence level...that would be why with those. As far as the ones without creatine I don't know either, I am new as well so I would like to find as well.

Also just recieved White flood today, pretty impressed. I ran out of no xplode and wanted to try something different. Saw on here that White Flood was consistently being voted top so I tried.

My review:

Pretty good. I took it in the most terrible of conditions to try out a product for the first time. Basically huge drinking night last night, stayed up till like 5 in the morn got up and wanted to get a work out in. Popped a protein shake, and then took 2 scoops of white flood. So far so good. No crash, no real jitters like no xplode a good amount of focus but not too much...

all in all I liked it will try and post more as i use it in better environments
awesome, thanks for giving it a shot

White Flood for life baby!
love it :)

You serious.. I never used Contolled labs green mag,whitelflood,purple wrath. Maybe 1 day I will..
you will love it

^^^^^Definitely. NO Explode worked for all of two weeks even with upping the dose, and made me feel terrible after.

I have tried many other pre-workout supps, and nothing has made me feel as good or as CLEAN as White Flood. No crash, no jitters, just great pumps, sustained energy and focus throughout the workout.

No creatine, and tastes good. All around winner for me.

glad you are loving white flood

[booboo0705]

My favorite combo after allot of trial and error is one scoop each of superpump 250,Supercharge Xtreme and purple wraath.It has been a great stack.You have to drink allot of water and I don't drink any other caffeine throughout the day.I seem to avoid getting used to it that way.JMO-B

[TaoistWarrior]

Ergolean AMP V2 + Controlled Labs GlycerGrow.

/thread.

[Wearwolf51]

I have tried several, but recently detemined that I am allergic to beta-alanine. Scanning the ingredients, it appears that everyone is putting BA in their NO products these days. Does anyone know of a good one that does not have BA in it? Thanks

Thats unfourtunate beta alanine is a great compound

4 Nitro Tropic is Beta-Alanine free-
4-NitroTropic's Proprietary Blends 12.1g
NitroTropic? Blend--- L-Arginine AKG, Citrulline Malate, L-Citrulline AKG, L-Hisitidine AKG, Rutacarpine, NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide)

EPICr? Blend--- Creatine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Di-Creatine Citrate, Creatine Monohydrate, Glycocyamine, Guanidino Propionic Acid, Cinnamon Extract

NeuroFocus? Blend--- L-Tyrosine, Taurine, L-Tyrosine AKG, Glucuronolactone, Betaine, MCT's (Medium Chain Triglycerides), Caffeine

PhosphoEndur? Blend--- Dibasic Calcium Phosphate, Potassium Citrate, Dibasic Sodium Phosphate, Dibasic Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide Rosine AKG, Glucuronolactone, Betaine, MCT's (Medium Chain Triglycerides), Caffeine

Buy 2 get 1 free to boot
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/epicperformance/nitro.html

We put beta in 8 Beta Anabol instead.

[Ricklovin]

I just recently purchased Primed Ultra. The workouts I've had so far have been awesome. I've taken other pre-workouts such as NO Xplode, shock therapy, supercharge xtreme, superpump 250, no shotgun, white flood, and fast twitch. I have to say the energy is about equal compared to the others, but the pumps are amazing.I also like the fact it's only 2 pills you have to take instead of a shake.

[sgt_kelly]

labrada makes a great preworkout NOS.....it gets me jacked and i have super energy the whole workout!!
a minor bit of bloating while supplementing it though but its still the best!!

[JohnDoeNumba1]

Hey everyone!

Well I've been looking for a good N.O. to use and I've come down to trying either White Flood or N.O. Shotgun v3. I am currently in my "cutting" phase and was wondering if including a N.O. supplement would be beneficial. I understand the affects and the reasoning for the use of a N.O. product but what I am trying to avoid is any unnecessary bloating or water retention. Any advice or recommendations would be great!

Thanks!

[booboo0705]

I prefer superpump 250 or supercharge extrememe.Your water requirements will go up but I personally have had no issues with retaining any water on NO.JMO-B

[XpushinweightX]

this is easy....superpump 250 by Gaspari Nutrition.....it gets me focused, energized, and gives me the "pumps" consistantly!!

[MrAnaconda]

Once you go White Flood, you'll never go back!

[mstanley22]

I have tried my fair share of preworkouts between no xplode, vassive n.o.,NO3ZCG9, and animal pump and animal pump gives you a awesome pump and the workouts are great as long as you don't mind taking 9 pills and NO3ZCG9 is really good too. vassive n.o. sucks and no xplode is just alright for me.

[mjwarburton]

I have tried a couple of these NO products listed above. First I've tried MRI NO2, just the regular stuff when it first came out. I had great pumps, but nothing special focus or energy wise.
Next up for me was BSN NO-Xplode. I didn't really have great pumps. I had energy through the roof for about an hour, and then crashed with a huge headache, probably do to a ridiculous amount of caffeine.
Next I tried Gaspari Superpump 250. I had great focus, great energy, and really really good pumps, but the nickname "Superdump", didn't come from nowhere. It was gross, but worked great.
I then tried NaNoX9, and this one just didn't do anything really good for me. It worked but mildy to say the least, which is ridiculous considering how overpriced Muscletech products are.
I am currently on White Flood. Focus wise, this is the best supplement I have taken. Pump wise it is not great, but I can feel it. Also if I take this past 3 in the afternoon, I workout at about that time, I am restless when trying to sleep. Pricewise, it cannot be beat.
I have also tried a sample of Shock Therapy, and had great energy and focus, but pumps were not as great as others. I would compare it with White Flood.
Out of all the ones I've tried over the years, I would purchase WF, SP250(maybe if I need a cleansing), and Shock Therapy. I think all three of those companies are credible and legit.

[Warneckutz]

Once you go White Flood, you'll never go back!

I will say that I agree with this statement. I've tried a variety of products and I go back to White Flood. However, I do love Universal's Animal Pump... so I haven't left CL behind, I just combine the two! :D

[drp3]

Once you go White Flood, you'll never go back!

I'm going to third this. I've loved it since day 1 and don't think I will trade it out.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ergolean AMP V2 + Controlled Labs GlycerGrow.

/thread.


Once you go White Flood, you'll never go back!


I have tried a couple of these NO products listed above. First I've tried MRI NO2, just the regular stuff when it first came out. I had great pumps, but nothing special focus or energy wise.
Next up for me was BSN NO-Xplode. I didn't really have great pumps. I had energy through the roof for about an hour, and then crashed with a huge headache, probably do to a ridiculous amount of caffeine.
Next I tried Gaspari Superpump 250. I had great focus, great energy, and really really good pumps, but the nickname "Superdump", didn't come from nowhere. It was gross, but worked great.
I then tried NaNoX9, and this one just didn't do anything really good for me. It worked but mildy to say the least, which is ridiculous considering how overpriced Muscletech products are.
I am currently on White Flood. Focus wise, this is the best supplement I have taken. Pump wise it is not great, but I can feel it. Also if I take this past 3 in the afternoon, I workout at about that time, I am restless when trying to sleep. Pricewise, it cannot be beat.
I have also tried a sample of Shock Therapy, and had great energy and focus, but pumps were not as great as others. I would compare it with White Flood.
Out of all the ones I've tried over the years, I would purchase WF, SP250(maybe if I need a cleansing), and Shock Therapy. I think all three of those companies are credible and legit.


I will say that I agree with this statement. I've tried a variety of products and I go back to White Flood. However, I do love Universal's Animal Pump... so I haven't left CL behind, I just combine the two! :D


I'm going to third this. I've loved it since day 1 and don't think I will trade it out.
glad to hear it, thanks guys. have you tried the white flood tablets?

[MrAnaconda]

I haven't tried the tabs yet. But i may give them a shot when i'm done with my WF tub. Is it the same amount of servings in tab form also?

[AIX]

I Have tried NO-Xplode and WFlood.

WFlood was my pick. No sleeping problems or stomach issues which i got from no-xplode.

@ Controlled Labs.

Do i need to take WF and GM on non working days too ?

[fischetti]

Just recived my shipment of white flood and greenmag it was like 3 working days from USA to Australia with fedex express,anyways tried it today the white flood and greenmag combo WOW best work out in years!!! i think ive injured my shoulder just went to dam hard!the tingles and the energy and pump it gives you is insane!i might have tried it only once but you just know what all the hype is all about:)

[drp3]

glad to hear it, thanks guys. have you tried the white flood tablets?

I actually tried the tabs first and liked how I felt on them, but preferred the powder instead of pounding MORE pills. Still quality though.

[MrAnaconda]

Awesome Fisch ! It only gets better! Now all you gotta do is Try Blue Gene and you can call it a day! ;)

PS. I wasn't kidding when i said CL products make me wanna throw 45 pound plates out the gym windows! ;) Just careful with that shoulder brother!

[XpushinweightX]

super pump 250>>>>anything else

[naturalguy]

I have tried my fair share of preworkouts between no xplode, vassive n.o.,NO3ZCG9, and animal pump and animal pump gives you a awesome pump and the workouts are great as long as you don't mind taking 9 pills and NO3ZCG9 is really good too. vassive n.o. sucks and no xplode is just alright for me.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Animal.

Great thing about Animal Pump is you do not need to buy a separate creatine product. Also you have the option of taking the stims or leaving them out. This is a HUGE plus that no other product offers.

G-gd0tnu6vg

[vasforhustlers]

I have tried most of the products listed on this page. Here is the real question for you guys:

Out of all the pre-workout boosters, which is best for a guy on a tight budget?

Thanks.

[enswalters]

I have tried most of the products listed on this page. Here is the real question for you guys:

Out of all the pre-workout boosters, which is best for a guy on a tight budget?

Thanks.

White flood. Great value for the money.

[MrAnaconda]

WF. Not only do i love it long time. It Lasts long time too!

[naturalguy]

I have tried most of the products listed on this page. Here is the real question for you guys:

Out of all the pre-workout boosters, which is best for a guy on a tight budget?

Thanks.

Hands down Shock Therapy. You get 50 servings for only $31.89 :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/shock.html

For price/taste/results it can't be beat

[clevye]

Animal Pump has perhaps been my best friend in my journey...
so far ive tried:
NO2 hemodilator- Was very impressive back in the day, nice pumps. huge pills.

NO xplode- (waste of money, overpriced and I quickly became immune to it)

CL NO- Felt like it was waste of money as it did nothing for me as far as energy nor focus and the pumps were modest.

NO shotgun - Bigger pumps and energy but I prefered the previous version and its horrible taste as the current version does not sit well with my stomach and often causes lightheadiness and fatigue after my workouts. love the 20g of protein and creatine infused in the product.

Gaspari SP 250- Ive only tried the sample packs that BB.com sends me but the energy is decent.

Animal Pump- Smooth controlled energy throughout my workout, excellent pumps and gave me energy afterwards to continue on with my day. The fact that you can take these bada** paks anytime, anywhere and you do not have to cycle on/off is sweet. The fact that its a creatine product as well sits nice with my budget. The only concern I had is that from a focus standpoint I could not tell a difference, but still great.
Not to mention AP buy 2 get 1 free promo right now.

ANIMAL PUMP GETS MY MONEY RIGHT NOW.

[clevye]

Hands down Shock Therapy. You get 50 servings for only $31.89 :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/shock.html

For price/taste/results it can't be beat


I think im going to opt for the shock therapy for now as $$ is a concern and im running out of AP. BUt I look forward to trying out a new kick a** product from universal.

[beercan40]

I just got done with Vasocharge from Scivation and I love it. I have used an entire tub and only used 1 scoop before workouts and I can feel it all day. Its cheap and you get about 30 servings. I have taken NO explode after a few weeks I had to increase the servings to get the same pump. I thought NO Vapor was a waste of money.

[hsmosny]

I just got done with Vasocharge from Scivation and I love it. I have used an entire tub and only used 1 scoop before workouts and I can feel it all day. Its cheap and you get about 30 servings. I have taken NO explode after a few weeks I had to increase the servings to get the same pump. I thought NO Vapor was a waste of money.

I totally agree!!! I like Vasocharge. superpump 250 is good too!!!

[bubba06]

barook I sometimes have felt like that but most of the time when i cycle off of my NO and creatine I take an energy drink before my workout works good!

[sw0097]

I like NO Shotgun. great focus, pumps, and energy but i do notice a bit of a crash but i work out in the evening so its not too bad. Vapor tastes like paint thinner with some kool-aid added and it really upset my stomach

[justn10thekid]

Vasocharge for me

[fischetti]

Awesome Fisch ! It only gets better! Now all you gotta do is Try Blue Gene and you can call it a day! ;)

PS. I wasn't kidding when i said CL products make me wanna throw 45 pound plates out the gym windows! ;) Just careful with that shoulder brother!

Blue Gene Hay Anaconda,out of purple wraath and blue gene which one would go if you had a pick out of the two??????? i can see you use both

[fischetti]

I haven't tried the tabs yet. But i may give them a shot when i'm done with my WF tub. Is it the same amount of servings in tab form also?

If youre talking white flood tabs then no you dont get as many workouts per container and apparently it does not hit you as hard as white flood powder

[mjwarburton]

I have tried most of the products listed on this page. Here is the real question for you guys:

Out of all the pre-workout boosters, which is best for a guy on a tight budget?

Thanks.

White Flood or Shock Therapy. Best bang for the buck definitely.

[clevye]

whats the difference btwn Shock Therapy and Pump?
Im currently taking Cuts with this be beneficial with my cutting stage?
Also BB.com's store is promoting the animal cuts and animal stak as a combo deal, is this worth it?

Just trying to figure out my list of priorities on a budget.

[naturalguy]

whats the difference btwn Shock Therapy and Pump?
Im currently taking Cuts with this be beneficial with my cutting stage?
Also BB.com's store is promoting the animal cuts and animal stak as a combo deal, is this worth it?

Just trying to figure out my list of priorities on a budget.

Shock Therapy is a drink and Animal Pump is capsules/tablets. Both are pre-workout formulas. Shock Therapy has more of a "kick" to it whereas Animal Pump is more of a steady energy. Also with Pump you have the option to leave out the stims (all contained in a single red pill) if you like.

If you are already taking Cuts I would suggest Animal Pump out of the two since you can leave out the stims. Cuts provides plenty of stims and you don't want to overdo it.

Cuts/Stak combo is good for cutting as the Cuts will get your metabolism going and burning more calories where Stak will help keep your hormone levels up which usually dip when dieting/taking in minimal calories. Older guys tend to respond better to Stak so take your age into consideration.

[Danger_Close]

guys what do you think of muscle pump by all max vs white flood?

[djbcrdi]

Vasocharge all the way baby

[MrAnaconda]

Danger.. i'd vote WF all the way.

[fischetti]

White Flood or Shock Therapy. Best bang for the buck definitely.

This is true:)

[fischetti]

guys what do you think of muscle pump by all max vs white flood?

Ive tried No xplode, shock therapy,white flood and super pump and WHITE FLOOD IS JUST INSANE!

[Danger_Close]

Danger.. i'd vote WF all the way.


Ive tried No xplode, shock therapy,white flood and super pump and WHITE FLOOD IS JUST INSANE!

thanks guys. But how is the crash? Because im still in school and after school i go right to the gym. After the gym I always have papers, hw, and what ever else is that is assigned due next day. So I dont want to go home and pass out, but I do want something for a more intense workout.

[doofusdave]

Vasocharge all the way baby

^this

I swear - no matter how tired I am or what type of mood I'm in, 15 minutes after I down my Vasocharge, I'm ready to kill the weights. Always get killer pumps during workouts as well. Can't say whether that's due to the supps or the program or both, though.

[Shmelt35]

NO shotgun, great pump and you can maintain your focus throughout your entire workout

[Rob6391]

Yesterday i lifted and did Bi's and Tri's and about 45 minutes into my workout i looked at my arms and did a triple-take, i was like holy ****, i sware my arms put on 2-3 inches from the pump, i've been using NO2 Black by MRI for the past couple weeks, and its really working, and i also use Gakic Hardcore (pills) which work awesome for energy focus and stamina

Energy/Pump products used:

No explode: 7/10
Gakic Hardcore: 8/10
CytoNOx: 9/10
MYO Shock: 6/10
White Flood: 9/10
eNOXIDE: 10/10

[bradleyp]

has anyone tried Dymatize Xpand?? i would appericate any response's. Thanks

[arshah]

Yesterday i lifted and did Bi's and Tri's and about 45 minutes into my workout i looked at my arms and did a triple-take, i was like holy ****, i sware my arms put on 2-3 inches from the pump, i've been using NO2 Black by MRI for the past couple weeks, and its really working, and i also use Gakic Hardcore (pills) which work awesome for energy focus and stamina

Energy/Pump products used:

No explode: 7/10
Gakic Hardcore: 8/10
CytoNOx: 9/10
MYO Shock: 6/10
White Flood: 9/10
eNOXIDE: 10/10

interested on more thoughts about cytonox and enoxide

[Wearwolf51]

no xplode is so far my favorite. nano vapor also worked well but taste horrible. a friend is trying to get me to try no plasmacore. anybody had any luck with this.

Compare with the ingredients in Vapor as Muscle tech makes both of these products (well acually the head company makes both, but you get the idea).

Give 4-Nitro a try. 29.99 for 40 servings (or 60 for 120 on special). It may not have a mile long ingredient list but it does pack potency.

[Tial]

What do you guys think of my stack?

Pre-Workout: White Flood + Green Mag
During Workout: Purple Wrath (People still using this stuff?)
After-Workout: Optimum Nutrition Protein.

Question about the Optimum Nutrition Protein, is this a good choice of protein? cause i still want to cut weight and from my understanding there are some that have a lot of carbs to gain weight and there is lo carbs one. Can someone direct me to the right one?

thank you.

[camau]

has anyone tried Dymatize Xpand?? i would appericate any response's. Thanks

for it's price i think you can find a cheaper product that does the same thing.
i suggest amino acids , taurine, and caffeine or white flood LOL

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive tried No xplode, shock therapy,white flood and super pump and WHITE FLOOD IS JUST INSANE!
wow, I know it took you awhile to try out white flood, but glad you finally gave it a shot :)

What do you guys think of my stack?

Pre-Workout: White Flood + Green Mag
During Workout: Purple Wrath (People still using this stuff?)
After-Workout: Optimum Nutrition Protein.

Question about the Optimum Nutrition Protein, is this a good choice of protein? cause i still want to cut weight and from my understanding there are some that have a lot of carbs to gain weight and there is lo carbs one. Can someone direct me to the right one?

thank you.
looks like great choices. soon you may want to try golden gains post (should be out within the next few weeks)

[jtwill85]

After trying it for about a week, I love horse power over anything I've tried in the past. The orange was intense flavor but very good and I got fantastic pumps from it. The tingle I'm actually a fan of because I like to know that stuff is working in my body.

[Ad32]

k so im leaning so much towards white flood
i got 50$ and im running out of no xplode(3 scoops left lol)

no xplode was okay but idk just not feeling it anymore

can someone clinch me on the decision to get white flood

[pmpnballer0311]

just had Superpump250 and 1 scoop of it gave me a huge pump today in the gym compared to whack black powder

So far I've tried NO Explode, Black Powder, Nano Vapour, and SuperPump250 and heres how I rate them

1. Superpump250....great pump and a lot of energy/focus
2. NO Explode....was my first one so of course it worked but I liked the pump and energy also
3. Nano Vapour....gave some pump and energy but also gave me the jitters
4. Black Powder.....feel nothing except a little energy boost

My friend says FastTwitch from cytosport is amazing but IDK

[oilerfan780]

I just tried white flood. Loved the focus and energy. Not as hard on the stomach as supper pump 250.

[Gillyh]

k so im leaning so much towards white flood
i got 50$ and im running out of no xplode(3 scoops left lol)

no xplode was okay but idk just not feeling it anymore

can someone clinch me on the decision to get white flood

WF is real good.. Just order it.. It is a plus that its the best value too. You get the most servings.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

k so im leaning so much towards white flood
i got 50$ and im running out of no xplode(3 scoops left lol)

no xplode was okay but idk just not feeling it anymore

can someone clinch me on the decision to get white flood
great value for the money and you can even start with the half size container

I just tried white flood. Loved the focus and energy. Not as hard on the stomach as supper pump 250.
awesome

WF is real good.. Just order it.. It is a plus that its the best value too. You get the most servings.

very true :)

[Ad32]

k went out and got the 50 serving
it smells good lol but it seems like it will taste good

cant wait till monday to try it out im pretty pumped

[Tial]

wow, I know it took you awhile to try out white flood, but glad you finally gave it a shot :)

looks like great choices. soon you may want to try golden gains post (should be out within the next few weeks)

What is this golden gains post to be?

[MrAnaconda]

Danger... I have never had a "crash" with WF. I've even taken it late in the afternoon, still no crash. No jitters etc either. Might wanna test it out . Try 1 scoop first. See how you feel. I use 2 scoops myself. Without an issue.

[Jattfusion]

questions about white flood.. can it be taken w/o any other supplement, or u have to combine it with another supplement ie creatine or something.

[MrAnaconda]

WF can be taken alone also.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

k went out and got the 50 serving
it smells good lol but it seems like it will taste good

cant wait till monday to try it out im pretty pumped
awesome, looking forward to your feedback :)

What is this golden gains post to be?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115754991

Danger... I have never had a "crash" with WF. I've even taken it late in the afternoon, still no crash. No jitters etc either. Might wanna test it out . Try 1 scoop first. See how you feel. I use 2 scoops myself. Without an issue.
smart man right here ;)

questions about white flood.. can it be taken w/o any other supplement, or u have to combine it with another supplement ie creatine or something.

its fine alone, but its awesome stacked with green magnitude and/or purple wraath

[ctAL860]

White Flood was great.........i got no crashes on it. Real clean feeling energy, dunno if that makes sense. Ill say this i didnt get a really a pump with it like say i did with SuperPump250 but the energy and strength was there. It was like great Focus and Power.


Let me try and make myself more clear.........ok like with superpump250 i felt AMPED..............like with WF i just felt relaxed and focus.......honestly i didnt even feel energized but when i got under some weight i felt super focused and i surprised myself with how much i could go and also put up.

hope i kind made of made myself clear.........sorry if i didnt. btw i was only doing 1 scoop.......i never did more than 1 scoop each use. im 200lbs 6'1"

[MrAnaconda]

AL8... try 2 scoops..... Pumps Galore brother!