Best Overall Pre-Workout Energy/Pump Supplement?

[lqcorsa]

I just finished my second tub of WF. The problem I've noticed with WF is it doesn't give me the pump I'm looking for. It gives you an amazing focus and energy/strength boost and massively makes your skin burn at first lol, which is great, but I've just started FST-7 training which works on volumizing muscles and getting a PUMP.

What do you guys recommend for an FST-7 pump supplement? I wanna get that "dude I can't extend my arms all the way" pump that I used to get in my greener days.

[lqcorsa]

NO explode
with a full spectrum multivitamin/amino acid on the side.
& a fat glass of protein shake containing BCAAs post workout.

keep it simple.

I heard BSN just recently got in trouble for false advertising the types of creatine in NO Xplode...

[rugbyman87]

got SP 250 raspberry lemonade again. took it monday and had a great workout. Also god 1 M.R. tried it yesterday and it worked pretty well, didnt give me as much of a pump as SP 250 but it definetly helped me to keep going and actually get that extra rep

[Kilale]

I was using SHOTGUN and am now just finishing up a tub of BLACK POWDER. After reading this thread maybe I should take a few months off of a pre work out before trying out another brand..

They all seem to plateau so fast for me.. get that initial kick for a week then nothing..

[Marineinthebox]

I would have to take Jack3d as a pre-workout energy booster. Some of the others have made me a little to jittery.

[pwicks83]

I tried ERGOPUMP yesterday for the first time. This stuff is the real deal. Mixes well, fruit punch flavor is awesome, focus and energy through the roof and some really good pumps.


I would have to take Jack3d as a pre-workout energy booster. Some of the others have made me a little to jittery.

[wherko]

Im sort of new to this blogging crap.. so thats why I dont have very many posts, but personally I think Nano Vapor would be the best pre workout supplement if they did something with the formula. Its concept is unriveled, because it is psychoactive and has the key ingredients that your jacked, no explodes, and most other no products. I currently dont take this because after about 4 or 5 days of continious use it would give me headaches.. I am however currently taking jacked because of the price and the sort of effective feeling it gives me.

[wherko]

I heard BSN just recently got in trouble for false advertising the types of creatine in NO Xplode...

really, that would be interesting. It is funny to see the bigger companies fall from grace and the smaller ones like usplabs step up the competition.

[lou.stefanski]

I like the initial energy from NO Xplode but I like the focus of Presurge. Is it safe to stack one scoop of each per day?

Has anyone tried this before?

[zapcorionrexxx]

love jack3d...just started trying presurge...its a good product...a way different feel than jack3d...i think presurge would be the boss if they had put Beta alanine in it...why the heck didnt they?

[WeltDog]

love jack3d...just started trying presurge...its a good product...a way different feel than jack3d...i think presurge would be the boss if they had put Beta alanine in it...why the heck didnt they?

They already have IntraXCell which is a BA Supp plus it's already in Intrabolic. If you take all three of these then there is no need for any BA in PSU

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

love jack3d...just started trying presurge...its a good product...a way different feel than jack3d...i think presurge would be the boss if they had put Beta alanine in it...why the heck didnt they?

We already have a beta-alanine formula that has been out since 2005, called IntraXCell! we also put some in our intraWO product to allow consumers to take one serving less of IntraXCell on days they take IntrAbolic.

Most importantly, beta-alanine needs to be taken 3-4g a day, 7 days a week. So a nutrient timing product can not be an adequte method of raising CARN levels with beta-alanine, unless you are taking it 7 days a week and multiple servings each time.

Additionally, with creapure, GlycoCarn, Russian tarragon extract, Neuravena, l-theanine and much more, I don't know of even remotely as an advanced formula in sports nutrition today, regardless of it not having BA.

[bubba06]

Ok Ive tried an ass load of pre workout supps heres my take-

White Flood- Legit Good product, Great price

Shock therapy- Good focus, No pump or energy

Black powder- Horrible taste, Ok energy and pumps too pricey though!

Jack3d- Honestly I think its over hyped, Decent energy and pump, great price but wont use again.

Nano Vapor- Way too expensive,awesome pump at first but big crash after workin out!

Animal Stak- Good product, definateley gained muscle from two cycles, decent price.

MP's Assualt- Best pre workout Ive used! awesome pump, great focus and energy, decent vascularity but im naturally veiny so it didn't bother me! To me Assualt is wayyyyyyy better than Jack3d!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ok Ive tried an ass load of pre workout supps heres my take-

White Flood- Legit Good product, Great price

Shock therapy- Good focus, No pump or energy

Black powder- Horrible taste, Ok energy and pumps too pricey though!

Jack3d- Honestly I think its over hyped, Decent energy and pump, great price but wont use again.

Nano Vapor- Way too expensive,awesome pump at first but big crash after workin out!

Animal Stak- Good product, definateley gained muscle from two cycles, decent price.

MP's Assualt- Best pre workout Ive used! awesome pump, great focus and energy, decent vascularity but im naturally veiny so it didn't bother me! To me Assualt is wayyyyyyy better than Jack3d!
glad you enjoyed white flood. what flavor did you use?

also, as you mentioned, the price per serving of white flood is one of the best on the market, even compared to the ones you list above. :)

[Vegas pig]

I really like ****'s WTF.

[bubba06]

glad you enjoyed white flood. what flavor did you use?

also, as you mentioned, the price per serving of white flood is one of the best on the market, even compared to the ones you list above. :)

i have went through two cycles, one with lemonade and the other with white raspberry, lemonade was good the white raspberry was honestly horrible tasting but of course i overlooked the taste due to the great results i got with it

[BStowers023]

Ive always liked nano vapor, it was what i started on when i first got into lifting and since then ive never looked back. But I would suggest never to take the same preworkout 2 cycles in a row. Your body gets used to the same ingredients so im thinking about trying white flood next, heard a lot of good things.

[Spratty]

NO explode - actaully makes me go abit crazy for an hour, i mean i talk to my self on the way to the gym and thats off one scoop xD the flavour is really bad though (orange) so have to drink it REALLY quick.

Have tried white blood before (about 1 year ago) and can't remember it doing anything for me, but am willing to give CL another chance with white flood, once i have finished this tub :)

[AlphaBrass01]

NO explode - actaully makes me go abit crazy for an hour, i mean i talk to my self on the way to the gym and thats off one scoop xD the flavour is really bad though (orange) so have to drink it REALLY quick.

Have tried white blood before (about 1 year ago) and can't remember it doing anything for me, but am willing to give CL another chance with white flood, once i have finished this tub :)
I think that if you like NoXplode, you'll like WF a lot better than WB, since WF has stims for energy and WB doesn't. I liked both, and honestly don't have as many problems with NoXplode as some tend to - I just found that my body adapted to it pretty quickly.

[IrishPilot]

Are there any other zero calorie pre's that compete with White Flood?

Ive had the greatest success with WF, followed by SP250. Really enjoy the flavoring on SP250 as well. Id be curious to try something comparable to WF out of curiosity.

[Delta482]

i tried super pump 250 for the first time yesterday and got muscle ripping reps. i hit a point in my work out where my mind was still able to work out, but my body gave up. the first time is always the best though. im going to do it again today and see if i get the same results.

btw does anyone think i should mix the orange flavor in milk????

when should i start cycling off and for how long should i stay cycled off

Oh god... orange SP250 in milk? that sounds disgusting... hahaha

on the cycling what ive heard is do 6 weeks on and 1-2 weeks off, not sure if thats true but its worked for me

[Chuck2600]

If I want something for a pre workout out I usually just take 400mgs of caffeine. IMO it works just as well as any pre workout supps and per serving it's about 10 times cheaper. But when it comes to actually pre workouts I've tried NO SHOTGUN and it was garbage, Jack3d and it was completely overrated, 1mr and it was meh, and today for the first time I tried SP250.

Out of all the pre workouts I've used SP250 was the only one I would buy again, it actually gave me a decent amount of energy and I got that "pump" feeling that all of the others failed to deliver. Unlike the rest it didn't make me feel jittery or anxious after my workout, it also didn't make me have to go to the bathroom once every 10 minutes for 2 hours after my workout. UPS labs can use the fact they use "fillers" in their product to make theirs look better, but I would gladly take the extra 35 calories in fillers for a product that delivers then jack3d that did not.

I also have 20 servings of White Flood in my order from bb.com and should be here soon, I'm interested in seeing how that works.

[armysophie]

i ran a rotation with this stuff for two months and i cannot say enough about how will this product performed for me.
great performance, great price and great taste.
i had amazing focus, no jitters and was able to just crush my workouts.
i have used jacked, cytonox, and noexplode. thy all gave me jitters and i had a severly elevated heart rate with at least one of those products. not asgt, just pure energy and focus.




If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i have went through two cycles, one with lemonade and the other with white raspberry, lemonade was good the white raspberry was honestly horrible tasting but of course i overlooked the taste due to the great results i got with it
try the fruit punch for sure, I think its our best flavor and most seem to agree :)

Ive always liked nano vapor, it was what i started on when i first got into lifting and since then ive never looked back. But I would suggest never to take the same preworkout 2 cycles in a row. Your body gets used to the same ingredients so im thinking about trying white flood next, heard a lot of good things.
looking forward to hearing your feedback on white flood :)

Are there any other zero calorie pre's that compete with White Flood?

Ive had the greatest success with WF, followed by SP250. Really enjoy the flavoring on SP250 as well. Id be curious to try something comparable to WF out of curiosity.
for the combination of effectiveness, price, and quality nothing really compares with white flood :)



I also have 20 servings of White Flood in my order from bb.com and should be here soon, I'm interested in seeing how that works.

awesome, looking forward to your feedback as well :)

[FCrane]

Pump Fixx by AMS

[Albert1724]

I just finished my first container of pump fuel and I though it was one of the best pre-workouts i've tried so far. Good pumps, and also alot of endurance and energy late into workouts

[Chuck2600]

awesome, looking forward to your feedback as well :)

It was awesome, by far the best pre workout sup on the market. I felt like I could workout forever without feeling stimulated out of my effin mind. It also didn't give me a crash or make me have to piss once every 20 minutes after I worked out.
Reps CONTROLLED LABS for making an awesome prework out sup, I will be buying this again!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

It was awesome, by far the best pre workout sup on the market. I felt like I could workout forever without feeling stimulated out of my effin mind. It also didn't give me a crash or make me have to piss once every 20 minutes after I worked out.
Reps CONTROLLED LABS for making an awesome prework out sup, I will be buying this again!

awesome. fruit punch?

[Chrodar]

last night i ordered 50 servings of white flood fruit punch. i recently finished a tub a no xplod that was pretty good, but no vein popping or much arm swelling results, but it did make me to 3-3 1/2 hr workouts on accident.

i ordered the white flood because ive heard good things about it here and i cant argue with the price

[Chuck2600]

awesome. fruit punch?

Yeah great taste

[TaylorDel]

I know this thread is about the best pre-workout so I will have to go with N.O. Shotgun from my experience. However the main reason im writing is to ask your guys honest opinion. I've tried a lot of pre-workouts including Superpump, size on, anadraulic state, jack3d, N.O.xplode, Niox, Con-Cret, and possibly a couple more i cant remember, but nothing seems to work! Nothing gives me the ENERGY and PUMPS i desire. So my question to you is what is the MOST INTENSE pre workout supplement out there? I'm just so sick of spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on stuff that doesnt work and im sure some of you can agree with me on that. So any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.

[OutbursT8]

i've never had white flood or noshotgun, what works for me is ( so far) is N.O. xplode or ABB speed stak no pump

[Albert1724]

Has any that has tried Pump Fuel also tried White Flood? I want to make white flood my next purchase but I am unsure whether or not its the right choice. I've tried Pump Fuel, NO Xplode, BP, and Jack3d. Is it comparable to any of these?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

last night i ordered 50 servings of white flood fruit punch. i recently finished a tub a no xplod that was pretty good, but no vein popping or much arm swelling results, but it did make me to 3-3 1/2 hr workouts on accident.

i ordered the white flood because ive heard good things about it here and i cant argue with the priceglad your enjoying white flood and that is one heck of a long workout :eek:


Yeah great taste
yup, fruit punch is my white flood flavor of choice

i've never had white flood or noshotgun, what works for me is ( so far) is N.O. xplode or ABB speed stak no pump
why not try a free white flood sample packet via the link in my signature below?

Has any that has tried Pump Fuel also tried White Flood? I want to make white flood my next purchase but I am unsure whether or not its the right choice. I've tried Pump Fuel, NO Xplode, BP, and Jack3d. Is it comparable to any of these?

only one real way to find out. grab a 20 serving one for $13.50 (after the 10% discount code) from bb.com ;)

[retrohead]

I am a first time supp user and have been taking GM + Purple Wraath for the past month. I can't say much about GM unfortunately as I haven't notice a thing yet, but the Purple Wraath definitely worked and recovery times are amazing and I was able to do a lot more reps than usual and with ease.

Decided to give the White Flood a go after reading this thread... It came today and I took 1 scoop about 15 minutes pre workout, still sipping on Purple Wraath intra. I honestly couldn't believe how much heavier I was lifting today, best gym session I have ever had. Always thought these products were overhyped but I literally couldn't get over how good it was. Definitely recommend it to anyone and its no wonder its getting so many positive reviews in this thread!

Although I am not sure if it is recommend to cycle on/off WF and after how long?

[chargrill44]

Are there any other zero calorie pre's that compete with White Flood?

Ive had the greatest success with WF, followed by SP250. Really enjoy the flavoring on SP250 as well. Id be curious to try something comparable to WF out of curiosity.

I use Ragnorok and Fast Twitch and they are pretty good energy supplements with no sugar and no adverse side effects (at least for me). I felt most tweaked from No Xplode but it caused me to break out because too much caffeine I think. I tried MP Assault but it also assaulted my skin for whatever reason (caffeine?).

[TimLang]

So far ive had in order:
-NO Xplode (2 Tubs- Raspberry and Grape) Good product.. would def go back
-Ragnorak Blue Raz Caffeine free... Liked it alot but the after taste (thinking aminos) i could have gone without.. but would def go back
-Jacked Tropical Fruit Punch... Good solid product..taste ok... would go back
-Black Powder Blue Raspberry... Dont like the taste.. i prefer the acidic-like taste rather than the smooth non acidic.. just cant get used to it.. aside from that its not bad... dont know if ill be finishing the tub.. wont go back.. but its not horrible.. just not my taste

Now im having a hard time deciding between MP Assault, Cellucor M5 (since i have the gift card), PreSurge Unleashed, and possibly WF..

Any feedback on Cellucor M5?

[TimLang]

I think the reason i never tried WF is bc theres no creatine.. i like creatine in my Pre-workout since i dont take it elsewhere

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

So far ive had in order:
-NO Xplode (2 Tubs- Raspberry and Grape) Good product.. would def go back
-Ragnorak Blue Raz Caffeine free... Liked it alot but the after taste (thinking aminos) i could have gone without.. but would def go back
-Jacked Tropical Fruit Punch... Good solid product..taste ok... would go back
-Black Powder Blue Raspberry... Dont like the taste.. i prefer the acidic-like taste rather than the smooth non acidic.. just cant get used to it.. aside from that its not bad... dont know if ill be finishing the tub.. wont go back.. but its not horrible.. just not my taste

Now im having a hard time deciding between MP Assault, Cellucor M5 (since i have the gift card), PreSurge Unleashed, and possibly WF..

Any feedback on Cellucor M5?

Here's our feedback thread on PreSurge Unleashed PreSurge Unleashed reviews- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=125194101

PreSurge Unleashed FAQ- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122928671

[Albert1724]

Finally just manned up and ordered my container of white flood, ill post back with updates on how it goes

[TimLang]

Well that def did it for me.. thanks!

[oufinny]

I have frequented this thread for a while and though I don't post here much, mainly on Anabolicminds, I want to share my experience with everyone and maybe it will sway you to come to the Anadraulic side.

Since I started seriously training 3 years ago, I have tried a lot of things and what has worked for me more than anything is Anadraulic State GT-SE. Nothing gives me the endurance, strength gains, focus, aminos, creatine, test support and estrogen controlers like AS-GT. And if you take it during a test boosting cycle (Natadrol, T-911, Pink Magic, TestoPro to name a few I have used it with), the benefits are further increased.

Previous favorites - USP Labs Jack3d, old school Vasocharge, Animal Pump, Ragnaro Ultra, all are good but don't give me what AS-GT does in 1 scoop. For the money I cannot picture anything any better than AS-GT and with the current special you get 3 for like $18 each... I got 3 when it first came out and still have 1.5 containers after using it regularly for 12 weeks, talk about lasting! I did many workouts with 2 scoops as well and used it 4-5 days a week.

If you are on the fence looking for more than just a pre-workout but a true game changer, get AS-GT in your life. If you want to super charge it with crazy pumps throw in 3-5 scoops of Anadraulic Pump or spray some NO Infuse, both work extremely well and are inexpensive for the servings.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I am a first time supp user and have been taking GM + Purple Wraath for the past month. I can't say much about GM unfortunately as I haven't notice a thing yet, but the Purple Wraath definitely worked and recovery times are amazing and I was able to do a lot more reps than usual and with ease.

Decided to give the White Flood a go after reading this thread... It came today and I took 1 scoop about 15 minutes pre workout, still sipping on Purple Wraath intra. I honestly couldn't believe how much heavier I was lifting today, best gym session I have ever had. Always thought these products were overhyped but I literally couldn't get over how good it was. Definitely recommend it to anyone and its no wonder its getting so many positive reviews in this thread!

Although I am not sure if it is recommend to cycle on/off WF and after how long?
awesome, glad you are enjoying white flood and purple wraath so much. white flood (and any stim product) should be cycled. the best way is 2 weeks off all stims after each tub :)

I think the reason i never tried WF is bc theres no creatine.. i like creatine in my Pre-workout since i dont take it elsewhere
most add green magnitude or mono if you on a budget. most people see it as a selling point as creatine is good daily and preworkouts only on workout days.

Finally just manned up and ordered my container of white flood, ill post back with updates on how it goes
awesome. which flavor?

[Nickkkkk001]

besides jack3d, ASGT

[Albert1724]

awesome. which flavor?

I ended up getting the raspberry, i am going to start it on monday so i will let you know how the first week goes

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I ended up getting the raspberry, i am going to start it on monday so i will let you know how the first week goes

awesome, looking forward to that. my personal favorite is the fruit punch :)

[JustiNtense]

Here's our feedback thread on PreSurge Unleashed PreSurge Unleashed reviews- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=125194101

PreSurge Unleashed FAQ- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122928671

I'll be picking up a bottle. The pre-workout supplement category is where i love trying new things.

[smttysmth02gt]

Stick with the Animal (Universal Nutrition) supplements, I personally feel that the others are all bull****. In this case try Animal Pump

I have tried m stak and shock therapy. I want to try a stack from nothing but animal products and haven't really found anyone who has taken what I want to try. Maybe you can offer an opinion for me? Maybe just to tell me yay or nay on anything that may be in the list, or the best combination that would be "safe". I'm looking to really maximize results for a good month or 2. I like the combination of creatine, caffeine, N.O., and test boosters as I have tried them before, just not all animal products.

Sterol Complex
Animal Pump
Shock Therapy
Storm
Torrent
Nitro
M stak

[smttysmth02gt]

I have frequented this thread for a while and though I don't post here much, mainly on Anabolicminds, I want to share my experience with everyone and maybe it will sway you to come to the Anadraulic side.

Since I started seriously training 3 years ago, I have tried a lot of things and what has worked for me more than anything is Anadraulic State GT-SE. Nothing gives me the endurance, strength gains, focus, aminos, creatine, test support and estrogen controlers like AS-GT. And if you take it during a test boosting cycle (Natadrol, T-911, Pink Magic, TestoPro to name a few I have used it with), the benefits are further increased.

Previous favorites - USP Labs Jack3d, old school Vasocharge, Animal Pump, Ragnaro Ultra, all are good but don't give me what AS-GT does in 1 scoop. For the money I cannot picture anything any better than AS-GT and with the current special you get 3 for like $18 each... I got 3 when it first came out and still have 1.5 containers after using it regularly for 12 weeks, talk about lasting! I did many workouts with 2 scoops as well and used it 4-5 days a week.

If you are on the fence looking for more than just a pre-workout but a true game changer, get AS-GT in your life. If you want to super charge it with crazy pumps throw in 3-5 scoops of Anadraulic Pump or spray some NO Infuse, both work extremely well and are inexpensive for the servings.

Where is the 3 for sale? Also do you know if they send samples? I would like to try it.

[350zaddict]

Just ordered yesterday 50 servings of white flood... Lets see if it makes any difference when lifting.

[bubba06]

I have tried m stak and shock therapy. I want to try a stack from nothing but animal products and haven't really found anyone who has taken what I want to try. Maybe you can offer an opinion for me? Maybe just to tell me yay or nay on anything that may be in the list, or the best combination that would be "safe". I'm looking to really maximize results for a good month or 2. I like the combination of creatine, caffeine, N.O., and test boosters as I have tried them before, just not all animal products.

Sterol Complex
Animal Pump
Shock Therapy
Storm
Torrent
Nitro
M stak

I also Love animal products! A Stack I have went with and seen awesome results with was M-stak bout 45 min before workout, then Shock Therapy and one scoop of storm bout 25 min before workout, then one more scoop of storm post workout. I gained alot of strength and mass from this. I wouldnt mess with the sterol complex hell M stak has dang near everything you need.

[manofmany]

I tried ERGOPUMP yesterday for the first time. This stuff is the real deal. Mixes well, fruit punch flavor is awesome, focus and energy through the roof and some really good pumps.

Yes sir. Those who haven't tried it really are missing out.

[Illadelphia]

I like to check this thread every once in awhile for the lulz.

Same people, same pimpin.


Carry on

[Miken68]

White Flood, FTW!!!!! WF has always been a great product, but has been seriously lacking quality taste. Now, Furious Fruit Punch WF has an awesome taste, combined with the effectiveness of WF, this new mixture is by far the best preworkout ever!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just ordered yesterday 50 servings of white flood... Lets see if it makes any difference when lifting.

awesome. which flavor white flood? have you used any preworkouts before?

[Chrodar]

Wow i really like white flood! fruit punch
I tried it for my first time with 1 serving st the start of my workout, then after 2 hrs it was still going but i took another serving because i usually do with all preworkouts cuz i hit it hard with 3-3 1/2 hr workouts. The second serving i definately didnt need to last, but it made my triceps swell soo much and i felt crazy and felt like i wanted to rip out my triceps. And i couldnt stop exercising them. I was ending with trcep extensions, and over head rope extensions. Finally i could only do ridiculous low weight and every rep hurt my triceps instead of a burn. I wanted to keep going with that 2nd serving but i had to call it quits.

BEST WORKOUT IVE DONE YET


Haha i worked out with my friend and gave him a serving since with the price i can spare it, and he kept going til the end with me also.

[markshield07]

My current favorite is Jack3d
I've also tried no xplode. The first time taking it was great second and third time didn't do much for my focus or pump and I had about 2and a half scoops so I'd definitely reccommend jack3d to anyone.

[Zilvia]

New favorite is Cellucor M5.
Coming off Jack3d and this stuff blows it out the water in the focus and pump department. Energy on M5 seems just right nice and level all the way through the workout. Best of all no crash.

[pwicks83]

I have just started using Methyl Mass. I love the pump, energy, focus it gives me plus my vascularity is through the roof.

[createeen]

Just ordered 50 servings of white flood (Fruit Punch) 2 days ago..waiting to try it for the first time.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Wow i really like white flood! fruit punch
I tried it for my first time with 1 serving st the start of my workout, then after 2 hrs it was still going but i took another serving because i usually do with all preworkouts cuz i hit it hard with 3-3 1/2 hr workouts. The second serving i definately didnt need to last, but it made my triceps swell soo much and i felt crazy and felt like i wanted to rip out my triceps. And i couldnt stop exercising them. I was ending with trcep extensions, and over head rope extensions. Finally i could only do ridiculous low weight and every rep hurt my triceps instead of a burn. I wanted to keep going with that 2nd serving but i had to call it quits.

BEST WORKOUT IVE DONE YET


Haha i worked out with my friend and gave him a serving since with the price i can spare it, and he kept going til the end with me also.
sweet. white flood is def something special and unique. feels much different than all other preworkouts on the market :)

Just ordered 50 servings of white flood (Fruit Punch) 2 days ago..waiting to try it for the first time.

awesome, I think you will love it. did you try the samples first?

[Dielaughing69x]

I ordered a container of White Flood and was pretty disappointed. The first couple of times I used it I felt a slight different in my workout, but not much. After a few uses I barely noticed any difference at all.

I think I will be trying N.O. Xplode or Black Powder next.

[createeen]

sweet. white flood is def something special and unique. feels much different than all other preworkouts on the market :)


awesome, I think you will love it. did you try the samples first?

Nope,gonna try right away after hearing a lot of good reviews .

[K Rock 12]

So far ive tried: Jack3d, 1MR, PSU, Cryoshock, White Flood, No Xplode, Spike Shooter, Redline, and Endorush..just currently purchased Maximize V2 which I can't wait to give a try..

I'd have to rate them in this order:

#1 - PSU / Cryoshock
#2 - 1MR
#3 - Jack3d
#4 - WF

Endoush was definately the best RTD drink and greattt energy(1/2-3/4 bottle) just didn't have the focus of the 1,3 in the others(besides WF)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I ordered a container of White Flood and was pretty disappointed. The first couple of times I used it I felt a slight different in my workout, but not much. After a few uses I barely noticed any difference at all.

I think I will be trying N.O. Xplode or Black Powder next.
were you on an stimulant products directly prior? how many scoops did you try?

Nope,gonna try right away after hearing a lot of good reviews .

sounds good, looking forward to your white flood feedback :)

[Albert1724]

Well i tried white flood the past two days and absolutely loved it. Good pumps and alot of energy late into workouts. My only advice would be to avoid the Raspberry because it is too sweet, kind've reminds me of BP Blue Raspberry. Other than the taste im loving WF so far and ill keep you guys updated on how it progresses

[Superman04wrex]

LG Sciences Anadraulic State GT is AMAZING stuff. If tried quite a few and I'm not going back to anything els after using this stuff. I'll hit the gym for 3-4 hours get home and want to work out some more.

[hammerfist84]

I would have to say bodyfuse Torque. it has three no side effect creatines 9 different forms of ginko for focus and an amazing pump complex it never cracks me out because the caffeine is enteric coated. it gives me energy all day long plus I put glyco maize by ON two scoops pre workout best pumps of my life
If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

[hammerfist84]

just be careful on the no xplode it has 400 mg of caffeine per scoop. the toxic level of caffeine is 1000mg. black powder is the same!
I ordered a container of White Flood and was pretty disappointed. The first couple of times I used it I felt a slight different in my workout, but not much. After a few uses I barely noticed any difference at all.

I think I will be trying N.O. Xplode or Black Powder next.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Well i tried white flood the past two days and absolutely loved it. Good pumps and alot of energy late into workouts. My only advice would be to avoid the Raspberry because it is too sweet, kind've reminds me of BP Blue Raspberry. Other than the taste im loving WF so far and ill keep you guys updated on how it progresses

glad you are enjoying white flood. def give the new fruit punch a shot. our best flavored white flood IMO :)

[tedprice]

i have tried white flood, black powder, and no xplode

black powder gave me the best pump but overall white flood and no xplode were better.
they both gave me energy but white flood helped me focus better so i have stuck with that recently and also i felt like i could lift all day without becoming tired

but i play basketball and receive NCAA drug test throughout the year so i normally cant take stims but still want to take a NO supplement.

so does anybody know anything about eNoxide by Musclemeds?
it is a pre-workout NO supplement without stims but i cant find much more about it...would anybody recommend it?

[tedprice]

also would taking white flood with 1, 3 dimethylamylmine give you more energy and focus than jack3d?
seeing how most of the extra energy and focus from jack3d comes from that
also is this ok to take with white flood?

[Jerezilla]

also would taking white flood with 1, 3 dimethylamylmine give you more energy and focus than jack3d?
seeing how most of the extra energy and focus from jack3d comes from that
also is this ok to take with white flood?

i dont know but knowing me id proly do it anyways. but why wuld u want to take white flood with jack3d anyway?

[markshield07]

A friend of mine took 2scoops of no xplode and 1scoop of jack3d and he was crazy wired for like 4 hrs but he said it worked really well together so I'd say give the white flood and jacked a try

[SydeShowBob]

I haven't lifted in some time and after reading alot of these post, I'm leaning towards Controlled Labs White Floods and Purple Wraath. Should I be taking some sort of creatine with this setup? And which would be best. Thanks

[tedprice]

i dont know but knowing me id proly do it anyways. but why wuld u want to take white flood with jack3d anyway?


sorry i wasnt clear...i meant would it be ok take 1,3 dimethylamylmine with white flood? not jack3d and white flood

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i have tried white flood, black powder, and no xplode

black powder gave me the best pump but overall white flood and no xplode were better.
they both gave me energy but white flood helped me focus better so i have stuck with that recently and also i felt like i could lift all day without becoming tired

but i play basketball and receive NCAA drug test throughout the year so i normally cant take stims but still want to take a NO supplement.

so does anybody know anything about eNoxide by Musclemeds?
it is a pre-workout NO supplement without stims but i cant find much more about it...would anybody recommend it?
glad you like white flood the best, also the best price per serving ;)

if you want a stim free, look to white blood

also would taking white flood with 1, 3 dimethylamylmine give you more energy and focus than jack3d?
seeing how most of the extra energy and focus from jack3d comes from that
also is this ok to take with white flood?
1,3 dimeth is nasty stuff, please dont add it to white flood.

I haven't lifted in some time and after reading alot of these post, I'm leaning towards Controlled Labs White Floods and Purple Wraath. Should I be taking some sort of creatine with this setup? And which would be best. Thanks
yes, most take those two with green magnitude. in fact, this is our most popular stack :)

[Albert1724]

After my first week of White Flood I can definitely say it is superior to Jack3d and BP. I cannot say however if it is better than Pump Fuel. Does anyone know why Pump Fuel isnt very popular? My GNC sells it for $50, but apparently its not sold everywhere and none of the online retailers carry it.

[Kaiza808]

I take half a serving of CL White Flood prior to working out, and I sip on the other half serving in my water bottle as I workout to sustain the pump.

[MikeBuss]

Jack3d was very intense in terms of energy, during some workouts I sometimes got the jitters and felt very light headed...so I guess it was working but maybe I took too much.. I'm about to try CL White Flood but so far all around, MonsterPump has worked wonders for me!!

[Albert1724]

Jack3d was very intense in terms of energy, during some workouts I sometimes got the jitters and felt very light headed...so I guess it was working but maybe I took too much.. I'm about to try CL White Flood but so far all around, MonsterPump has worked wonders for me!!

I had that same problem with Jack3d and i returned it to GNC after about a week. The guy said that was weird since it had less filler stuff in it, maybe it was taking it on an empty stomach or something idk

[Xscorpio]

Jack3d was crazy for me, got insane pumps even 2 hours after the work out. I def had more energy and focus in the gym. was it just me or after taking this 30-45 mins i had this tingling sensation in my figures, but i was fine in the gym.

[jonbp31]

I´ve been taking Lipo 6 Black. This is my first cycle which will end this coming Saturday. I´m thinking about switching to Animal Pak (yellow one) as I have heard great things about it.

Lipo 6 has worked great for me. It´s a little slow as I have only lost 4 to 6 pounds in a month and a half!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

After my first week of White Flood I can definitely say it is superior to Jack3d and BP. I cannot say however if it is better than Pump Fuel. Does anyone know why Pump Fuel isnt very popular? My GNC sells it for $50, but apparently its not sold everywhere and none of the online retailers carry it.
awesome to hear. white flood is a very good product and a good price to match as well. what flavor did you get? :)

I take half a serving of CL White Flood prior to working out, and I sip on the other half serving in my water bottle as I workout to sustain the pump.

meaning 1 scoop or a half scoop?

[Kaiza808]

Since its hard to really hit half a scoop on the mark because of the size of the serving I always err on the higher side, so I basically take 3/4ths of a scoop for my pre-workout, and another 3/4ths diluted in my water bottle during my lift.

[XenergyEvan]

I have tried almost all of the pre workouts on the market, unfortunately an NO product is a huge trial and error item when it comes to how they effect your workouts etc. Here is what I PERSONALLY thought about the leading NO products and what worked best for me:

Jack3d: Great for energy, but no pumps. my rating: 8.5
Superpump: decent energy, great pumps, vascularity enhances myrating: 9
No Shotgun: I literally felt nothing, although many like this, my rating: 6
No-Xplode: works good for about a week, then you find your self taking 2 scoops for the same effect, then 3 etc. my rating: 7
1.M.R: Great energy, great pumps, but not many servings, my rating: 8.5
HemoRage: Great energy, but it worked like a thermogenic. My rating: 8

After trying these, and many others, I began to experiment with my own " Blend ". I found that one scoop of superpump with one scoop of Jack3d worked INSANELY well, great energy, great pumps! That is what I now use, then when both of those are gone, I go off NO's for a week, then start it back up! Hope this helps anyone!

[XenergyEvan]

I´ve been taking Lipo 6 Black. This is my first cycle which will end this coming Saturday. I´m thinking about switching to Animal Pak (yellow one) as I have heard great things about it.

Lipo 6 has worked great for me. It´s a little slow as I have only lost 4 to 6 pounds in a month and a half!


Well the Lipo 6 black that you are taking is a fat burner, and the Animal Pak is a multi vitamin, both can be taken together in your stack, if your looking to switch up your fat burner , I would look into OxyElite Pro. I hope this helps!

[XenergyEvan]

Jack3d was crazy for me, got insane pumps even 2 hours after the work out. I def had more energy and focus in the gym. was it just me or after taking this 30-45 mins i had this tingling sensation in my figures, but i was fine in the gym.

It is not just you with the " tingling" I experienced the same thing, it is the Beta Alinine from what I have heard, My face would tingle and become itchy, as would my roomates. It's common so no worries :)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Since its hard to really hit half a scoop on the mark because of the size of the serving I always err on the higher side, so I basically take 3/4ths of a scoop for my pre-workout, and another 3/4ths diluted in my water bottle during my lift.

sounds great, that is an even better value for white flood at that dosing :)

[JC7124]

I love, love, love, LOVE white flood. 110% recommended. Amazing pumps, vascularity, energy. I like that it has no creatine so you can supplement accordingly with the exact dosage you want instead of guessing how much is in a proprietary blend.

I just picked up Purple Wraath last night, can't wait to try it out. Question for CL--- I've read this can be used as a recovery drink as well? How long post-workout is it ok to drink? My plan is to use it intra-workout, I was just curious.

Thanks for the great products.

[bi11ab0ngb0y]

I am torn between WF and PSU. I am mainly looking for the initial energy and pump. Seeing those veins pop is typically all i need to keep going. Just getting started is the problem. Any suggestions?

[K Rock 12]

I am torn between WF and PSU. I am mainly looking for the initial energy and pump. Seeing those veins pop is typically all i need to keep going. Just getting started is the problem. Any suggestions?

Cant go wrong with either..i'd pick up both and switch up every other day..thats what I do between 1MR and Maximize V2

[XenergyEvan]

I am torn between WF and PSU. I am mainly looking for the initial energy and pump. Seeing those veins pop is typically all i need to keep going. Just getting started is the problem. Any suggestions?

If your looking for a vascular type effect, I found superpump250 to give better vascularity than any others.

[bi11ab0ngb0y]

If your looking for a vascular type effect, I found superpump250 to give better vascularity than any others.

Yeah, I have tried SP, but I gotta admit ...people aren't lying about the whole superdump phenomenon. Not the best feeling while workin' legs.

That just completely turned me off from SP.

I have been leaning more towards CL's White Flood, it seems everyone likes it and Green Mag has been working awesome. I know its basically a subjective topic when it comes to supplements but I'd love to hear more advice on either WF or PSU.

Good Looks tho Xenergy

[XenergyEvan]

Good Looks tho Xenergy[/QUOTE]


Thanks man! I agree with the whole superpump deal, I have not experienced it myself, but I know many who have. If your looking for added vascularity, try adding some Arginine Ethyl Ester into your pre workout drink.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I love, love, love, LOVE white flood. 110% recommended. Amazing pumps, vascularity, energy. I like that it has no creatine so you can supplement accordingly with the exact dosage you want instead of guessing how much is in a proprietary blend.

I just picked up Purple Wraath last night, can't wait to try it out. Question for CL--- I've read this can be used as a recovery drink as well? How long post-workout is it ok to drink? My plan is to use it intra-workout, I was just curious.

Thanks for the great products.
awesome, thanks for the feedback, that is one heck of a stack. keep us posted on your purple wraath feedback as well :)

purple wraath is best during the workout



I have been leaning more towards CL's White Flood, it seems everyone likes it and Green Mag has been working awesome. I know its basically a subjective topic when it comes to supplements but I'd love to hear more advice on either WF or PSU.



yup, white flood is not only an awesome choice, but one of the cheapest per serving around :)

[bulldogs702]

I dont know why but NO xplode still gets me the most jacked

[JC7124]

awesome, thanks for the feedback, that is one heck of a stack. keep us posted on your purple wraath feedback as well :)

purple wraath is best during the workout



Wow, PW was awesome. Kept the tingles going through the whole workout. Amazing products guys, consider me one hell of a satisfied customer.

[Junior316]

Hey, been following this forum for a couple months now and just registered today and have a question.I've been cutting for the last couple of months and still have quite the ways to go but I wanted to know what supplements I could take together while cutting weight.

I'm currently taking nanovapour and protein isoflex. But I feel like this isn't enough to help me cut weight. I'm going to switch over my pre workout supplement to White Flood, and then get Animal Cuts to help me with my goal to cut weight. But what I was wondering was if I could take White Flood+Animal Cuts together or is it too much?

Thanks.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Wow, PW was awesome. Kept the tingles going through the whole workout. Amazing products guys, consider me one hell of a satisfied customer.
glad to hear you love purple wraath so much. please do leave a review in the reviews section of this forum as well :)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=30&order=desc

Hey, been following this forum for a couple months now and just registered today and have a question.I've been cutting for the last couple of months and still have quite the ways to go but I wanted to know what supplements I could take together while cutting weight.

I'm currently taking nanovapour and protein isoflex. But I feel like this isn't enough to help me cut weight. I'm going to switch over my pre workout supplement to White Flood, and then get Animal Cuts to help me with my goal to cut weight. But what I was wondering was if I could take White Flood+Animal Cuts together or is it too much?

Thanks.
that is fine, just take the red pill out of one of the cuts packs and make sure to space the other one at least 4-5 hours from white flood :)

[smack3179]

I would have to say out of all the PWO supps that i have taken it is very close between PSU and ASGT

[Eatbigtogrowbig]

Ive only tried jack3d so far and it's working great, ill probably try white flood next and see how that is

[brumellr]

1.M.R is the best one ive taken by far.

[peidolong]

i cant get white flood in my country, there's only white blood, is it equally good? can white flood be stacked with glycergrow? and do we need to cycle white flood?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive only tried jack3d so far and it's working great, ill probably try white flood next and see how that is
you will love white flood, I suggest the fruit punch, its heavenly :)

i cant get white flood in my country, there's only white blood, is it equally good? can white flood be stacked with glycergrow? and do we need to cycle white flood?

which country? why not order it from bb.com?

white blood has no stims or beta alanine and is a capsule. these are the major differences, but there are others as well.

yes, those can be stacked.

[XenergyEvan]

Hey, been following this forum for a couple months now and just registered today and have a question.I've been cutting for the last couple of months and still have quite the ways to go but I wanted to know what supplements I could take together while cutting weight.

I'm currently taking nanovapour and protein isoflex. But I feel like this isn't enough to help me cut weight. I'm going to switch over my pre workout supplement to White Flood, and then get Animal Cuts to help me with my goal to cut weight. But what I was wondering was if I could take White Flood+Animal Cuts together or is it too much?

Thanks.

Switching your Pre-Workout to white flood from Nanovapor would be a good move, it is a lot stronger, I would suggest using OxyElite Pro over animal cuts, because animal cuts in my opinion is too many pills, one servings is about 8-9 pills, where Oxyelite is only 2. Plus OxyElite has worked wonders for me as well as many others. If you do decide to use a pre workout when on a thermogenic, I would suggest only half a serving, do to them both being stimulants. Hope this helps

[manofmany]

I tried ERGOPUMP yesterday for the first time. This stuff is the real deal. Mixes well, fruit punch flavor is awesome, focus and energy through the roof and some really good pumps.

FYI - It is currently Buy 2 Get 1 Free!

[MrBackSlap]

Question from the noob:


Im thinking of getting the combo pack from this website with all 3.

Controlled labs WF/PW/GM is it worth it?
Also whats this stacking talk? Do you mix all 3 in the water bottle?
Im confused....Thanks for any help.

[Titans720]

The best pre-workout out there right now is muscle marinade by purus labs. Jack3d is second best but isn't as intense as the marinade. The stuff is awesome

[JC7124]

Question from the noob:


Im thinking of getting the combo pack from this website with all 3.

Controlled labs WF/PW/GM is it worth it?
Also whats this stacking talk? Do you mix all 3 in the water bottle?
Im confused....Thanks for any help.

I'm a big CL fan, haven't tried the GM yet but have nothing but good things to say about WF and PW.

"Stacking" just means that you are taking that group of supplements together (for example, all in the same day) but doesn't mean at the same time or in the same water bottle.

Here's a general consensus on timing... a CL rep can verify this.
Green Mag- 30 mins before workout, some do 1/2 before and 1/2 after workout
White Flood- 30-45 mins before workout
Purple Wraath- During workout, I drink the last bit as I'm walking out the door.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Switching your Pre-Workout to white flood from Nanovapor would be a good move, it is a lot stronger, I would suggest using OxyElite Pro over animal cuts, because animal cuts in my opinion is too many pills, one servings is about 8-9 pills, where Oxyelite is only 2. Plus OxyElite has worked wonders for me as well as many others. If you do decide to use a pre workout when on a thermogenic, I would suggest only half a serving, do to them both being stimulants. Hope this helps
glad you enjoy white flood and the fat burners should be dosed at least 4-5 hours away from white flood :)

Question from the noob:


Im thinking of getting the combo pack from this website with all 3.

Controlled labs WF/PW/GM is it worth it?
Also whats this stacking talk? Do you mix all 3 in the water bottle?
Im confused....Thanks for any help.


I'm a big CL fan, haven't tried the GM yet but have nothing but good things to say about WF and PW.

"Stacking" just means that you are taking that group of supplements together (for example, all in the same day) but doesn't mean at the same time or in the same water bottle.

Here's a general consensus on timing... a CL rep can verify this.
Green Mag- 30 mins before workout, some do 1/2 before and 1/2 after workout
White Flood- 30-45 mins before workout
Purple Wraath- During workout, I drink the last bit as I'm walking out the door.
glad to hear it, what is holding you back from green magnitude ?

correct on the stacking and the green magnitude and white flood can be mixed into a single shake for a 30 minutes preworkout mix.

[IceMole]

Tried out presurge unleashed tonight only 1 scoop, got insane focus and a great pump. Scared to see what 3 scoops would do.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Tried out presurge unleashed tonight only 1 scoop, got insane focus and a great pump. Scared to see what 3 scoops would do.

1-2 scoops is where most are at, 3 is way too much for most.

[TrancePhreak07]

I just picked up some 1MR yesterday after I ran out of white flood and I must say.... DAMN. This gave me far more energy that jack3d or white flood. Thought my workout was gonna be crap since I was worn out from work. This stuff turned that around real quick with only one scoop. Definately gonna be my primary preworkout supp for a while.

[b_rad152]

White Flood + Green Mag + Glycergrow + Purple Wraath (intraworkout) = crazy energy, focus, and pumps.

Even when I don't want to take stims and dont take White Flood I still get insane pumps and energy.

idk If I would switch to any other products in the near future

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White Flood + Green Mag + Glycergrow + Purple Wraath (intraworkout) = crazy energy, focus, and pumps.

Even when I don't want to take stims and dont take White Flood I still get insane pumps and energy.

idk If I would switch to any other products in the near future

why would you with results like that? what flavors did you go with and how are you dosing them? :)

[_NimbusTim_]

White Flood + Green Mag + Glycergrow + Purple Wraath (intraworkout) = crazy energy, focus, and pumps.

Even when I don't want to take stims and dont take White Flood I still get insane pumps and energy.

idk If I would switch to any other products in the near future

I think it would be smart to try something new....tons of VERY good products out there. I think if you tried a few you would be very suprised at what you've been missing.

[_NimbusTim_]

why would you with results like that? what flavors did you go with and how are you dosing them? :)

You pimp every section on this board?

[b_rad152]

why would you with results like that? what flavors did you go with and how are you dosing them? :)

I just mix about 20 oz of water with 1 scoop White Flood (only when I feel the need for stims) + 1 scoop GreenMag + 3 heaping scoops Glycergrow. Usually when I finish that, theres usually left over GG in it so I put a little more water and drink the rest. Then whatever I dont drink gets mixed in with 25 oz water and 1 serving purple wraath with my workout.

Perfect workout stack imo.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just mix about 20 oz of water with 1 scoop White Flood (only when I feel the need for stims) + 1 scoop GreenMag + 3 heaping scoops Glycergrow. Usually when I finish that, theres usually left over GG in it so I put a little more water and drink the rest. Then whatever I dont drink gets mixed in with 25 oz water and 1 serving purple wraath with my workout.

Perfect workout stack imo.

sounds good, but I would add the glycergrow dry to your mouth and wash it back with the green magnitude/white flood shake as you wont get residue like that as the GMS in glycergrow wont mix with liquid :)

[booner226]

I've tried Black powder, Superpump 250, and N.O. Explode but my favorite pre-workout supp by far is N.O. Shotgun by VPX. All the pre workouts pumped me up to lift, but the thing I love about N.O. Shotgun is the 18g of protein in it that helps fuel my muscles throughout my whole workout.

[Jeph77]

I think the best workouts i got were when i took gm and wf preworkout stuff made me rage. theyre great by themselves too but together........ even better

[b_rad152]

sounds good, but I would add the glycergrow dry to your mouth and wash it back with the green magnitude/white flood shake as you wont get residue like that as the GMS in glycergrow wont mix with liquid :)

Yea I used to do that method but i got bored of having to scoop it and chase it down so I stated mixing it into my drink and i still have the same effects.

[bosco_]

I just finished using Dymatize Xpand. I must say it's on par with CL WF (powders and pills)

I finally recieved my bb.com shipment and now it's

Muscle Pharm Assault, Battle Fuel and Recon. Also got some Combat Powder.

So far the Assault is also up there with the WF.

I have no use for anything MuscleTech, I don't like Jack3d never did anything for me. I also had the NO Synthesize and Shotgun combo which were a disappointment. NO Xplode also sucks.

Top 3 CL WF, Xpand, Assault

[jordanpitre]

NO SHOTGUN

this

[mustang63]

Have tried all kinds of stims as im a college student and work late nights at a bar, so i def. need a boost before hitting the gym, ive tried em all....superpump, no xplode, jack3d, nothing spectacular so im still lookin ive heard good things about Hemo Rage & White Flood, will prolly b my next choices and see how they stack up. If nothing special will prolly just stick with jack3d

[Hardnutcheck]

Muscle Marinade by Purus Labs

Not sold at BB.com but I suggest looking it up.

Pic Related:

http://www.puruslabs.net/images/muscle-marinade-pic.png

[jordyb80]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

Nitric Combustion is the best NO product I have tried for amazing pumps and I have been through them all. Its really potent and gets you pumped almost immediately, I highly suggest that people try it out

[Octium]

I was going to try Cryoshock, but it seems as BB.com has taken it off their site. I've tried Anadraulic State GT, jack3d, and white flood. Jack3d didn't do anything for me, I got great focus with white flood and ASGT, but more energy from WF.

[Bryan_0025]

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[ballallday89]

So far i have tried White Flood, Vasacor, and Revolution

The most energy comes from White Flood, however i do love Vasacor.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yea I used to do that method but i got bored of having to scoop it and chase it down so I stated mixing it into my drink and i still have the same effects.
either way is fine, figured it may be easier for you as I know many hate to lick the left over particles from the shaker :D

I just finished using Dymatize Xpand. I must say it's on par with CL WF (powders and pills)

I finally recieved my bb.com shipment and now it's

Muscle Pharm Assault, Battle Fuel and Recon. Also got some Combat Powder.

So far the Assault is also up there with the WF.

I have no use for anything MuscleTech, I don't like Jack3d never did anything for me. I also had the NO Synthesize and Shotgun combo which were a disappointment. NO Xplode also sucks.

Top 3 CL WF, Xpand, Assault


I think the best workouts i got were when i took gm and wf preworkout stuff made me rage. theyre great by themselves too but together........ even better


I was going to try Cryoshock, but it seems as BB.com has taken it off their site. I've tried Anadraulic State GT, jack3d, and white flood. Jack3d didn't do anything for me, I got great focus with white flood and ASGT, but more energy from WF.


So far i have tried White Flood, Vasacor, and Revolution

The most energy comes from White Flood, however i do love Vasacor.

WOW, thanks for all of the white flood support guys. def look into the newest flavor, fruit punch, if you havent already, its my favorite :)

[Murph0408]

didn't read the whole thread but i gotta put some support in here for NO Xplode, i've tried a bunch and i love that one the most by far. But i'm a low-tolerance for caffeine so maybe it's better for me than others.

I've heard great things about Jacked and White Flood as well but actually haven't gotten to try them yet. My friend swears by 'jacked' and saw good strength gains so i guess you can take that for what its worth

[SHIFT_Pump]

How would you guys compare SP250 and Jack3d? I recently finished up a bottle of SP250 and loved the insane focus and energy in the gym. Any Jack3d users have any comparisons with the SP250?

[3dood7]

Nothing compares to jack3d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eddiebravo]

id have to say that hemo rage is good. i tryed super pump 250, n.o. xpload for a long time, works good. plasma jet is cool. jak3d is cool to. but i really like the hemo rage

[-SDR-]

I was going to try Cryoshock, but it seems as BB.com has taken it off their site. I've tried Anadraulic State GT, jack3d, and white flood. Jack3d didn't do anything for me, I got great focus with white flood and ASGT, but more energy from WF.

The new and improved version of CryoShock should be up soon in the store, better then ever, or if you cant wait just google it. :)

[Sigep10]

Just got my free samples of white flood, purple wraath and green mag today in the mail thanx CL! Will be using them for tomorrows workout, excited to see how they perform.

Breakdown of the PWs I've tried:

Jack3d def gave me alot of energy/focus, but just an ok pump and vascularity. I definitely built a tolerance to it over the 2 tubs I used. All in all a pretty a good preworkout for the money (feel its somewhat overhyped but to each their own). 8.5/10

No-explode gave me really good pump/energy/focus but came with a brutal crash most likely from the high amounts of caffeine. 8/10

Darkmatter was a decent performer on all levels however it killed my stomach and ended up only being able to use it for a week before I returned it. 7/10

I'm strongly considering PSU, 1MR or white flood depending on tomorrows performance for my next purchase, but was also looking into Quake by scivation. I use xtend and love it but havent really heard much about it in this thread anyone have any experience with this product??

[AlphaBrass01]

Just got my free samples of white flood, purple wraath and green mag today in the mail thanx CL! Will be using them for tomorrows workout, excited to see how they perform.

Breakdown of the PWs I've tried:

Jack3d def gave me alot of energy/focus, but just an ok pump and vascularity. I definitely built a tolerance to it over the 2 tubs I used. All in all a pretty a good preworkout for the money (feel its somewhat overhyped but to each their own). 8.5/10

No-explode gave me really good pump/energy/focus but came with a brutal crash most likely from the high amounts of caffeine. 8/10

Darkmatter was a decent performer on all levels however it killed my stomach and ended up only being able to use it for a week before I returned it. 7/10

I'm strongly considering PSU, 1MR or white flood depending on tomorrows performance for my next purchase, but was also looking into Quake by scivation. I use xtend and love it but havent really heard much about it in this thread anyone have any experience with this product??
There are lots of reviews and logs. You might want to check out those sections.

[Sigep10]

will do thanx bro

[shivbrar]

i think HEMO RAGE Black is the best..
i try jack3d also but hemo rage is the best.

[mccoy19]

Muscle Marinade by Purus Labs

Not sold at BB.com but I suggest looking it up.

Pic Related:

http://www.puruslabs.net/images/muscle-marinade-pic.png

Agreed, and they did a great job on the look of the container. Looks awesome.

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[KeepItTite04]

No one in here said Jack3d? I've been using this for awhile and can't imagine anything better. Gives me crazy energy and pumps. Is this White Flood that good?

[PrideRR]

my vote goes to White Flood !

[Hardnutcheck]

Agreed, and they did a great job on the look of the container. Looks awesome.

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http://www.puruslabs.net/images/muscle-marinade-pic.png

Purus Punch tasted great, How about grape?

[MrBackSlap]

For Controlled Labs.

Just received a large order of WF,GM,PW and OT.
IDK if the amount is right though but feel a little disappointed.
Purple Wrath was filled almost to the top.
As for white flood and green mag the jars where filled halfway?
Doesn't really look like 100 servings.

Is there anything that can be done about that?

But aside from that this stuff is great holycow love it.
I had to mop the floor after I was done working out.
Took it with Reduction and it was insane.

[lukepfleiderer]

I have tryed it all: jack3d white flood n.o. Shotgun hemorage noexplode dark rage 1mr and tons more...I would have to say that hemo rage is my second fa orite. But nothin compares to Naplam by Muscle Warefare. It gives me tons of energy and focus but the extra strength it fives me is unbeleivible.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

For Controlled Labs.

Just received a large order of WF,GM,PW and OT.
IDK if the amount is right though but feel a little disappointed.
Purple Wrath was filled almost to the top.
As for white flood and green mag the jars where filled halfway?
Doesn't really look like 100 servings.

Is there anything that can be done about that?

But aside from that this stuff is great holycow love it.
I had to mop the floor after I was done working out.
Took it with Reduction and it was insane.

they are sold by weight, everything should have the amount of servings and total weight that it says on the container. we use the same size tub for all three so obviously purple wraath at 2.4 pounds and white flood at 1.38 pounds (although volume is the real measure, you can certainly see the huge difference from the weights alone) will be filled to different heights within the containers.

[MrBackSlap]

they are sold by weight, everything should have the amount of servings and total weight that it says on the container. we use the same size tub for all three so obviously purple wraath at 2.4 pounds and white flood at 1.38 pounds (although volume is the real measure, you can certainly see the huge difference from the weights alone) will be filled to different heights within the containers.


Yea just saw that today actually.
Can girls take white flood?
Also how long before I start building a tolerance to WF?

So far Ive gotten OT twice, Reduction, WF, GM and PW
Im trying to build core strength while losing bodyfat and keeping any muscle build up.

what do you think can help me or you think im all set up?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yea just saw that today actually.
Can girls take white flood?
Also how long before I start building a tolerance to WF?

So far Ive gotten OT twice, Reduction, WF, GM and PW
Im trying to build core strength while losing bodyfat and keeping any muscle build up.

what do you think can help me or you think im all set up?

yes, white flood is fine for either gender

you should cycle off of white for 1-2 weeks after each tub

sounds like you have a solid stack. do you have fish oil and protein?

[AldoDominic9]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

Enoxide... AS long as you stay hydrated. Pumps of a lifetime...

[MrBackSlap]

yes, white flood is fine for either gender

you should cycle off of white for 1-2 weeks after each tub

sounds like you have a solid stack. do you have fish oil and protein?

Yea I got fish oil and protein.
How is that golden gain thing?
Or should I wait before I get some serious shape before I use that.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yea I got fish oil and protein.
How is that golden gain thing?
Or should I wait before I get some serious shape before I use that.

you can start off with regular protein post, then eventually add on golden gains instead of the protein post when you feel the time is right

[_NimbusTim_]

Yea I got fish oil and protein.
How is that golden gain thing?
Or should I wait before I get some serious shape before I use that.

For post workout...just throw some dextrose/maltodextrin into a protein shake. Use roughly 20g protein and 40g of carbs (malto/dextrose). Don't fall for pimping and hype. If you have any questions, feel free to pm me.

You can also just eat a whole foods meal after working out as well.

[_NimbusTim_]

And to think....I thought this section was for consumers, NOT for Company Reps/Owners to pimp!

:confused:

[stephenjack3d]

nothing even compares to 1.m.r. it blows jack3d out of the water

[chachi1984]

what do u guys think about musclemeds code red , hemo rage ultra, vpx anarchy

[BallzyDriving]

USPLabs Jack3d! Period!

2 years ago I started taking NO-Xplode, then I tried NO-Shotgun, then Nano Vapor, then back to NO-Xplode. After that, it was 7 months ago I took my first serving of Jack3d. 7 Months later I'm on my 7th bottle and will not go anywhere else! Best pre-workout supplement I have ever taken hands down!

[chachi1984]

I usedjacked back in the day with the original formula its night and day compared to the new formula

[MrBackSlap]

Trust me I dont fall for any pimping of any how I always do my own research. CL just have pretty good products I feels its a quality product.

But anyways tried Jack3d today from a friend.
Took it while off white flood since Thursday.
Sort of a clean slate I guess since I just started WF anyway.

Imo White flood is a way better formulated product.
Yes I did get a little better pumps on Jack3d but not the same energy or focus as I did with WF. Jack3d has me feeling like im on something. the hairs on my body are standing up like im about to turn super saiyan.
I guess since you feel like your on crack you tell your brain its better so you get a few more pumps. But overall white flood had me really focus and full of energy without the crazy after feeling. If your one of those people that gotta feel almost high to know something is working then you'll like Jack3d. Not for me though I hope I can fall asleep feeling like I got things crawling on me.

[FJRod]

On an earlier post i stated that White Flood was by far the best pre sup I had taken. Recently I have not taken pre work out (2 and 1/2 months but last week i tried a scoop of Jack3d from a friend stuff worked great focus, pump ect who know maybe ill do cycle to see how long those effects last

[smack3179]

PSU and ASGT both have done me well

[tenacious707]

Trust me I dont fall for any pimping of any how I always do my own research. CL just have pretty good products I feels its a quality product.

But anyways tried Jack3d today from a friend.
Took it while off white flood since Thursday.
Sort of a clean slate I guess since I just started WF anyway.

Imo White flood is a way better formulated product.
Yes I did get a little better pumps on Jack3d but not the same energy or focus as I did with WF. Jack3d has me feeling like im on something. the hairs on my body are standing up like im about to turn super saiyan.
I guess since you feel like your on crack you tell your brain its better so you get a few more pumps. But overall white flood had me really focus and full of energy without the crazy after feeling. If your one of those people that gotta feel almost high to know something is working then you'll like Jack3d. Not for me though I hope I can fall asleep feeling like I got things crawling on me.

I dont know what it is but Ive gone thru 3 bottles of jack3d and took 3 weeks off some pre workout supps and got white flood after reading good reviews.. Ive been taking 2 scoops of it and im not really feeling anything like jacked. The energy is not there .. I seem focused but no where near the energy levels or pumps i get from jack3d.

[BrianMC88]

I've tried NO-Xplode and currently started taking Jack3d.

Here's the pro's and con's of Jack3d compared to NO-Xplode:
+cheaper
+don't sh*t and piss as much
+don't crash as hard
-not as vascular/pumped

It's on par when it comes to energy. I felt pretty damn good throughout the workout even when I tried one scoop. Overall I'll keep experimenting with other stuff that can hopefully give me all the pro's that Jack3d has plus the vascular/pumped. I'll try 2.5-3 scoops tomorrow see if it does anything.

Currently my best PreWO supp since I have only one thing else to compare it to. Do not want to go back to sh*tting half way through my workouts lol.

[AllPro2]

There are so many choices when it comes to Pre-Workout supplements.

I like BPI 1.M.R. Very powerful.

Sounds like I need to try White Flood. Tons of strong reviews on here.

I have been using SuperPump 250 for about 2-weeks. I think it is a good product, but really want to compare it to some of the others.

I am also interested in Hemo Rage Black.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=127069833

PreSurge Unleashed exclusive bb.com Blue Raspberry flavor AND blue raspberry IntrAbolic on wheycheap MONDAY the 30th.

A few key points on PreSurge Unleashed:

1. Creapure brand creatine, not generic monohydrate
2. First and only product to contain the exact research backed russian tarragon extract for dramatic muscle creatine uptake
3. Only preWO product I'm aware of containing Neuravena for neurological function
4. Clinically backed glyocarn and 20% icarrin for NO, no arginine
5. Patented suntheanine brand l-theanine for stimulating alpha waves in the brain and offsetting much of caffeine's negative side affects
6. No sugar and only two carbs, which is why the serving size is small

Its these ingredients and more that make PreSurge Unleashed feel so different from ANY other preWO formula in the market today. Its a no compromise, cutting edge formula, at an incredibly low price.


There's also some instore reviews, ranking it as one of the highest rated out of any preWO product 9.2- http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ae/pre-surge-unleashed.html


The highest customer rated preWO & IntraWO stack at a great price.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

There are so many choices when it comes to Pre-Workout supplements.

I like BPI 1.M.R. Very powerful.

Sounds like I need to try White Flood. Tons of strong reviews on here.

I have been using SuperPump 250 for about 2-weeks. I think it is a good product, but really want to compare it to some of the others.

I am also interested in Hemo Rage Black.

since you want to try white flood, you can get a free sample of it in my signature below :)

[BB-Guy]

White Flood is the best out of No Explode and Superpump 250.

Explode wasn't good for my stomach.

White Flood is also the best tasting and you don't have to put a lot either.

[.Ben]

just finished my tub of superpump, its a good product pumps were really good. Iv heard good things about Jacked so im gonna give that a go next.

[rewaste]

I take 2 scoops of jack3 1000mg of taurine 2 cups of coffee and oxyelite in all my years of powerlifting nothing gives me such a focus without a bloated feeling the one problem is your so focused that you will go crazy and lift some amazing poundage

[cmonan]

PreSurge Unleashed exclusive bb.com Blue Raspberry flavor AND blue raspberry IntrAbolic on wheycheap MONDAY the 30th.

A few key points on PreSurge Unleashed:

1. Creapure brand creatine, not generic monohydrate
2. First and only product to contain the exact research backed russian tarragon extract for dramatic muscle creatine uptake
3. Only preWO product I'm aware of containing Neuravena for neurological function
4. Clinically backed glyocarn and 20% icarrin for NO, no arginine
5. Patented suntheanine brand l-theanine for stimulating alpha waves in the brain and offsetting much of caffeine's negative side affects
6. No sugar and only two carbs, which is why the serving size is small

Its these ingredients and more that make PreSurge Unleashed feel so different from ANY other preWO formula in the market today. Its a no compromise, cutting edge formula, at an incredibly low price.


There's also some instore reviews, ranking it as one of the highest rated out of any preWO product 9.2]


The highest customer rated preWO & IntraWO stack at a great price.

any chance of maybe a sample before I buy a tub?

[thebeast110]

Agreed, and they did a great job on the look of the container. Looks awesome.

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I hope the way a company packages their product isn't the only reason you choose to use it

[aderito]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tedprice
also would taking white flood with 1, 3 dimethylamylmine give you more energy and focus than jack3d?
seeing how most of the extra energy and focus from jack3d comes from that
also is this ok to take with white flood?

1,3 dimeth is nasty stuff, please dont add it to white flood.


Why is 1,3 dimeth nasty stuff?

[Spire]

Why is 1,3 dimeth nasty stuff?

It gives me stim dick and somewhat of a "comedown" a few hours after taking it.

There's a thread on here about the negative effects it can have. It doesn't effect everyone this way, but definitely quite a few people (especially myself).

This sucks a lot, as the two most effective products I have ever used (1MR and OEP) both have this in it. It means I have to save them for special occasions :(

[tuccijam]

I think I've posted this a million times but I like Maximize V2 by iForce. It's crazy good and helps me kick ass in the gym

[The-Ginger7]

I have taken UPSLabs Jack3d through my whole deployment (4 months) and I LOVE IT! I wouldn't take any other pre workout! It keeps me focused and makes me sweat like crazy! I have made so much progress out here and I don’t think I could have done it without Jack3d! It doesn’t make me tingle or shake or anything! PURE ENERGY!! I work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, there are days when I just want to climb right back into bed, but... jack3d gives me that extra push I need to begin the massacre of a workout I’m about to endure!

[TEXASnative]

ASGT is awesome!

[brianl93]

just tried some xpand and the pump was GREAT!, although i had alot of rage, the feeling was compaired to bullnox which i also like, any advice on good pre work out sups?

[djsimonmlb]

Jack3d for the win.

[scottycoyote]

ive tried superpump, 1mr and jacked....of the 3 I like superpump the best. Jacked wasnt bad but it gave me a caffeine type buzz and it made it hard to sleep after, 1mr i really didnt notice much of anything....the superpump gives me good focus and i love how pumped up i feel during

[fightclub2012]

Controlled Labs White Flood, SuperPump250, NO Xplode. In that order, with that said Im looking forward to Driven Sports Pre-work Supplement (its in the making). CL and DS are in IMO, Two solid, and honest companies. "In Sldge we Trust".....Triazole (TZE) on its way....

[Hbadi]

I received a gsp 250 sample yesterday and had mixed feelings with it. The focus at the beginning was weird and not consistent, but later I began enjoying the dose and felt the energy especially with the squat but that only lasted for only 30 minutes and not for the whole workout.

I'm thinking of buying Jack3d or WhiteFlood, which do you guys recommend for energy+focus+vascularity? My hands were pumped with gsp but I want an overall perfect product and cheap.

I live in the UK so if anyone can direct me to low priced websites I'll appreciate it much.

[rewaste]

It gives me stim dick and somewhat of a "comedown" a few hours after taking it.

There's a thread on here about the negative effects it can have. It doesn't effect everyone this way, but definitely quite a few people (especially myself).

This sucks a lot, as the two most effective products I have ever used (1MR and OEP) both have this in it. It means I have to save them for special occasions :(

Well sorry that happens to you but man when my Wife and I get back from the gym there is always a nice cool down workout. And She loves jack at 4'11 she Benches 185lbs for 5x5 Squats 295lbs for 5x5 and Deads 315lbs all at 122lbs She is my little tank.

[bosco_]

I have no use for SuperPump it does nothing for me.

I'm using MP Assault and it's up there with CL White Flood. (Too bad I can't get WF shipped to Canada from BB.com or I'd keep ordering it)

[shawnward1066]

Is anybody try Dymatize Super Mega Gainer. This supplement is very best to gain weight and muscles.

[caesarstud84]

i've also read really good things about NeuroXplode, but cant seem to find a place offline that sells it. hell, bodybuilding.com doesnt even sell it!

[medztoomassive]

Without a doubt the best pre-workout atm is MESOMORPH BY APS
ive tried 1MR, Jacked3D, NO explode, SHOTGUN, nd nearly everything, but nothing compares to mesomorph, its just new on the market.
the good things about it are- you get a massiveeeee pump, nd it kicks in straight away, your lift way more, nd you jst constantly wana lift everything and it will last u the whole session nd more.
downside- if u dont train hard enough ul be up all night and it makes u really really angry nd ul snap alot lol

[bumbaklat]

has anyone tried MAXIMIZE V2???!!! THAT STUFF IS AMAZING! other than that i really really love superDUMP250!! hshaha anyone whos taken it knows why i call it that!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have no use for SuperPump it does nothing for me.

I'm using MP Assault and it's up there with CL White Flood. (Too bad I can't get WF shipped to Canada from BB.com or I'd keep ordering it)

any other US site will ship white flood as its legal in canada and you can buy it locally up there :)

[NeilHaley]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

Definately USP Labs' Jack3d with an extra 4 grams of citrulline malate mixed in. Very cheap and VERY effective combination. The citrulline as a precursor to the arginine in it helps you get that "super pump" that everyone is looking for.

[curls4thegir1s]

My favorites for pump are Shotgun and Jack3D. Both hurt the stomach a little and have caused some problems with supplement testing. For NCAA athletes, I'd recommend Fast Fuel from RSP Nutrition and Herculin from FSI Nutrition.

[AAroc]

White Flood for clean energy. Taste is pretty good too!

Jack3d for dirty energy (you know what I mean). I stopped taking it because I crashed on it and I got used to it really fast. But try going from not taking stims to taking a couple scoops of Jack3d and you'll be flying. Taste is not great.

AGST is okay, but the worst tasting thing I've ever tried.

NO Xplode is just meh. Not bad for energy, not bad for taste. It's very middle of the pack.

I recommended WHITE FLOOD. Good price. Good taste. Good energy.

[number01stunner]

I take 2 scoops of jack3 1000mg of taurine 2 cups of coffee and oxyelite in all my years of powerlifting nothing gives me such a focus without a bloated feeling the one problem is your so focused that you will go crazy and lift some amazing poundage

yeah! this is true about jack3d in my last cycle i worked out to the point of almost injury (i was doing squats) it will keep you going to the point of injury if you push yourself too hard.

[tman925]

yeah! this is true about jack3d in my last cycle i worked out to the point of almost injury (i was doing squats) it will keep you going to the point of injury if you push yourself too hard.
know your bodies limit before you try to put your fate in the hands of an unknown supplement.

but jack3d worked great for me, but also i really liked XPAND

[fdupmp]

I've always been a huge NO Xplode fan. Used it all during my first tour and continued for a long time. However, after trying one scoop, then two, then three, then four, then four with a red bull, then even tried snorting it a couple times, it seems to have lost alot of its affect. I tried Jacked but it didn't work for me, however, I started using this Nitro NCG. I've been told its the same as Jacked but holy crap this stuff is crazy. I recently got over a nasty viral infection which I lost 20 pounds in about 10 days and months of progress and this stuff has given me back the edge I needed to pull long, tough workouts. I would recommend it to anybody, taste awesome, a little cheaper than Jacked, pumps are decent, better with a good workout, and the energy is unreal.

[nalder89]

The Reps for every Pre Workout supplement company reading this aren't going to be happy, but here we go -

I have been on and off different pre-workout products for the last 2 1/2 years now, and I have tried every pre-workout supplement worth trying (from a scientific standpoint, not hype).

I have been doing a very extensive amount of research over the last year or so into what it is that makes a pre-workout product "good" and what people are actually looking for.

First: the majority of people want a steady supply of energy and alertness in the gym and they don't want a crash.

Second: They want a wicked awesome pump after the workout.

These are the 2 basic things people love about preworkouts (endurance, mentally and physically, and to swell up from lifting) - Yes there are other reasons but I believe these are the 2 basics.

Now, If this is all people want, you can make it yourself for pretty cheap (and easily).

Recently I came up with the supplement GCD Amino Rush (PM me for how to buy from me or make your own).

Here are the ingredients (no proprietary blend BS)

Here is what it cost me (and you can get the same price, by yourself)

Here is the cost breakdown for a 4 week (5 days on 2 days off) batch of my preworkout (GCD Amino Rush)

4 Grams Citrulline malate -$8.57 - 20 servings
3 Grams L-AAKG - $3.73 - 20 Servings
200 mg Caffeine - $.25 - 20 servings
934 mg Glucuronolactone - $2.10 - 20 servings
5 Grams Micronized Creatine - $3.00 - 20 Servings
5 Grams Micronized Glutamine - $5.00 - 20 Servings
4 Grams Beta-Alanine - $3.32 20 Servings
1 (720 mg) B-Complex 100 - $2.40 - 20 servings
60 mg 1,3 Dimethylamylamine - $3.10 - 20 Servings
Crystal Light Flavoring - $2.00 - 20 Servings

Total Cost: $33.47

-That price also has shipping for all ingredients figured in.

I have attached a picture of my product label for this supplement (with recommended serving size and a health warning).

I do not want to hear anyone bashing this supplement, as I have done extensive research behind it, and have already had several people try it (at the normal dosing), who have also taken jack3d, NO shotgun, etc, and reported (today, at the end of the workout), that my product (GCD Amino Rush), blows jack3d and every other pre-workout out of the water. The exact statement was "dude if you sold this you would put jack3d out of business).

If you would like a sample, PM me and I will arrange 2 samples for you to try. (if too many sample requests come in I may need a couple bucks to ship it to you - like 2 or 3)

This product does not JUST give a pump and alertness. It aids in muscle recovery, immune function, liver aid, vasodilation, Increasing anaerobic threshold, Providing a higher utilization of the nutrients form your meals, increased ATP production, muscle hydration, increased alertness among others.

If you are skeptical, do your own research (not a 20 second google search), on the ingredients in the formula, about what the clinical dosages are for each, and message me for a sample. It will exceed any expectations you have ever had for a pre workout product.

(w-w-w dot perfect supplements dot blogspot dot com)

[furyhockey]

^^^So it's 33 bucks for 20 servings?! Another reason why people go for "pre-made" pre-workouts is the convenience. I know people like myself who just want to take a scoop of 1 product verses making my own cocktail. Plus a lot of people like to try diff companies products along with their flavoring systems.

[iron_man07]

My favorite Pre-Workout energy supplement is Jack3d, Even on days when work ran late and i was exhausted and didnt want to go to the gym, id mix a scoop of jack3d and in a short period of time all id want to do is hit the gym and go lift. sometimes jack3d has my motivation and energy so through the roof i have to try and convince myself that ive done enough today and that i should leave the gym.





If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

[Colossal Spoons]

MRI's Black Powder

[robbiek426]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

Most Pre workouts are the freaking devil!!!!!!!! Seriously you would probably hit the L.D. of caffine if you had an 8 oz. cup of coffee after you slam your Pre workout.

I like Jack3d. Jumped on that bandwagon because one of my buddies hooked me up pre workout and had a good time with it.

Most are Caffine and Yohimbe with a secret "Proprietary Blend" "COUGH" rice powder and some good ole L arginine. Save some money, buy your arginine and drink a half a pot of some folgers morning brew!!!!!!!!!

Call it Rob's Nasty NO and Ill start charging your 50 bucks a month..........JK.

Ok and my bad, just checked out a bunch of Pre workouts, the only one I could find for sure with yohimbe was NANO vapor, imagine that......leave it to the idiots at muscle tech to put that garbage in everything. That seems to be Muscle tech's answer to get everyone to "feel it working". That stuff is even in their cryotest. Jeez I'm out before I start ranting.

[WyldByll]

Pre:
whey protein - 10g
casein protein - 15g
creatine - 5g
beta-alanine - 2g
cissus - 1g
fish oil - 1 cap
joint support - 1 serv
multi vit - 1 tab
caffeine - 200mg
1,3dimeth - 75mg
small bananna - 1

Post:
whey protein - 20g
orange - 1

[Junkie2]

Pre:
whey protein - 10g
casein protein - 15g
creatine - 5g
beta-alanine - 2g
cissus - 1g
fish oil - 1 cap
joint support - 1 serv
multi vit - 1 tab
caffeine - 200mg
1,3dimeth - 75mg
small bananna - 1

Post:
whey protein - 20g
orange - 1

I wonder how many people will google 1,3dimeth just like i did.

as for me, caffeine pill, fish oil, some arginine when im feeling good, and some protein/carbs pre w/o is all i need. i'm done with the hype of pre workout supps.

[WyldByll]

I wonder how many people will google 1,3dimeth just like i did.

It's what's in jack3d, 1mr and muscle marinade that are getting these kids all antsy in there pantsy.

[Kal20]

CODE RED <MUSCLEMEDS enough said

[kellypet]

Looking for a new pre-workout I have used N.O. Xplode and Jack3d, N.O. was great and it gave me great energy but by the second cycle it wasn't giving me the same energy and pump that it started with. I used Jack3d and let me tell you stim-rush out of my mind and then on big workout days the pump would wear off and I would crash pretty hard. I have heard good things about N.O. Shotgun, Superpump 250, and White Flood stacked with Green Mag. I am currently using Dark Matter as a post workout so I don't know if the addition of green mag to the pre-workout would be too much creatine. Any recommendations out there?

[aekest]

I wonder how many people will google 1,3dimeth just like i did.

as for me, caffeine pill, fish oil, some arginine when im feeling good, and some protein/carbs pre w/o is all i need. i'm done with the hype of pre workout supps.


Pre:
whey protein - 10g
casein protein - 15g
creatine - 5g
beta-alanine - 2g
cissus - 1g
fish oil - 1 cap
joint support - 1 serv
multi vit - 1 tab
caffeine - 200mg
1,3dimeth - 75mg
small bananna - 1

Out of curiousity, whats the reasoning behind putting fish oil into the preworkout meal???

In an article labeled "What's Good for You May Not be Good for Building Muscle" in the April 2008 issue of Muscular Development, it talked about fish oil reducing inflamation, and how fish oil inhibits the early stage of muscle recovery by suppressing the activation of anabolic pathway Akt–p70s6k signaling and PGF2α synthesis.

"PGF2alpha has been found to be critical in muscle growth, including protein synthesis. These results suggest that the lack of increase in PGF2alpha synthesis at three days of remobilization in fish oil might have notably contributed to the inhibition of muscle recovery at this time. These results imply that the PGF2alpha synthesis suppressed by the dietary fish oil at three days of remobilization might inhibit muscle recovery. PGF2alpha, derived by COX-2, cannot be formed from DHA or EPA, but is formed from arachidonic acid (AA; a predominant n-6 fatty acid), whose release amount from the cellular membrane is determined by its content in cell membrane. This fact suggests that arachidonic acid levels in the muscle membrane lowered by chronic dietary fish oil intake can reduce the production of PGF2alpha in skeletal muscle."
- You JS, Park MN, Lee YS. Dietary fish oil inhibits the early stage of recovery of atrophied soleus muscle in rats via Akt-p70s6k signaling and PGF2(alpha). J Nutr Biochem.

[TheLandin]

I am looking to get huge bodybuilder status but i want a caffeine free supplement to help me.So i need to know which supplements to take that have no caffeine i heard that jacked3d and noxplode are great but they have caffeine.So does anyone know of any supplements that are caffeine free.

[poison]

The Reps for every Pre Workout supplement company reading this aren't going to be happy, but here we go -

After doing very extensive research, I discovered no one cares.


I have tried every pre-workout supplement worth trying (from a scientific standpoint, not hype).

Really, now? EVERY?


I have been doing a very extensive amount of research over the last year or so into what it is that makes a pre-workout product "good" and what people are actually looking for.

First: the majority of people want a steady supply of energy and alertness in the gym and they don't want a crash.

Second: They want a wicked awesome pump after the workout.

These are the 2 basic things people love about preworkouts (endurance, mentally and physically, and to swell up from lifting) - Yes there are other reasons but I believe these are the 2 basics.

It took you a year to figure that out?




I do not want to hear anyone bashing this supplement

Your horse. It is high. Get off it.


I have done extensive research behind it

Like, a YEAR?! Are you implying other supplement formulators don't do extensive research? Do you LOVE yourself?


have already had several people try it

Several! That's a lot, right?


my product (GCD Amino Rush), blows jack3d and every other pre-workout out of the water.

Palin: You just all of the supplements. All of em.


The exact statement was "dude if you sold this you would put jack3d out of business).

"Hi, my name is nalder89, and I'm here to apply for a small business loan. Here's my product...here's what it does....I did a year of research...and to top it all off, my broski said "dude if you sold this you would put jack3d out of business". It's a sure thing, right?



If you are skeptical, do your own research (not a 20 second google search), on the ingredients in the formula, about what the clinical dosages are for each, and message me for a sample. It will exceed any expectations you have ever had for a pre workout product.

(w-w-w dot perfect supplements dot blogspot dot com)

No, it won't. i hate geranium.













Seriously, the formula looks fine, but holy sweet baby jesus you got some attitude. Drop it, and the geranium, live long, and prosper.

[poison]

I am looking to get huge bodybuilder status but i want a caffeine free supplement to help me.So i need to know which supplements to take that have no caffeine i heard that jacked3d and noxplode are great but they have caffeine.So does anyone know of any supplements that are caffeine free.

I highly recommend Clout. It's one of the all time best formulas, bar none. It's not super tasty, but oh, my, it's good.

My second stim free choice would be either decaf Ragnorok or Green Bulge if you want pumps and are more strength oriented; or Cre02 if you are more crossfit or endurance oriented.

If you can step up to a stim, ASGT is a GREAT choice. Energy is really smooth, and it has great anti-estrogen properties, as well as all the other pre-workout bases covered.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Looking for a new pre-workout I have used N.O. Xplode and Jack3d, N.O. was great and it gave me great energy but by the second cycle it wasn't giving me the same energy and pump that it started with. I used Jack3d and let me tell you stim-rush out of my mind and then on big workout days the pump would wear off and I would crash pretty hard. I have heard good things about N.O. Shotgun, Superpump 250, and White Flood stacked with Green Mag. I am currently using Dark Matter as a post workout so I don't know if the addition of green mag to the pre-workout would be too much creatine. Any recommendations out there?

how much creatine is in it? it lists 60 grams as the serving size but has 48 grams carbs and 12 grams of protein, so I cant figure it out. maybe message the company to ask?

[patientmantra72]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

PPN GUN POWDER..

Not easy to find and pricey, but simply amazing.

No bad sides, easy on stomach, no crash. Just good energy, amazing focus and skin tingling pumps that last a long time. 2nd best is SuperPump 250. I'm forever done with NO xplode, Fuzion, Jack3d and NO shotgun.

[maverickTT1]

Presurge Unleashed
Anadraulic State GT
Jack3d

[G-wood]

A couple years ago, on deployment in the gulf, I went through at least 8 tubs of n.o. explode in 6 months. Getting back into pre workout supps this year, I first tried a couple cycles of musceltech nanox9 hardcore, which gave me a nice pump, and nice vascularity. Then I bought no shotgun, and didn't like it. I've seen that many do like it, but it gave me bubble guts, and no one wants that in the gym! Now I am almost done with a two month cycle of white flood, and love it, although I am taking 2 to 3 scoops pre workout, but that's to be expected. Almost out of white flood, and gonna take a week off the pre workout supps to flush my system, and then, I already have a small tub of jacked 3d, which I did already try from a buddy and enjoyed it also. So in a nutshell :

no explode : average in all aspects, but overpriced..
no shotgun : may work well, good ratings, but not for me.
white flood : great! Don't mind the taste, but great focus and pump.
jacked : only tried once, but enjoyed it, and looking forward to cycling on in a week from tomorrow.

Now I am a skinny guy. 5 11, and only 150 lbs, but having always had a hard time gaining weight, I focus more on getting cut and veiny, pre workout n.o. supps are great for that.

[soopamyko]

The best preworkouts i had so far, yes serious is Nutrex hemo rage and BPI 1MR....
insane workouts!

but i want to try out ASGT!

[Free Weight Friedel]

It's not out yet but it will be here soon!:D

[johnnnybbad]

absolutely, WHITE FLOOD, is a great product and you get 50 workouts per tub, so its a great value too :)

Whats better tabs or powder?

[poison]

Powder.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Whats better tabs or powder?

the powder hits harder and is more popular. the tabs were discontinued earlier this year

[NastyNally]

the powder hits harder and is more popular. the tabs were discontinued earlier this year

I liked the tabs, there were just too many. 8 pre-workout was a little much, but the effect was definitely there in the department of pumps.

[LIFT4HRS]

My favorites for pump are Shotgun and Jack3D. Both hurt the stomach a little and have caused some problems with supplement testing. For NCAA athletes, I'd recommend Fast Fuel from RSP Nutrition and Herculin from FSI Nutrition.



1mr ****s on all

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I liked the tabs, there were just too many. 8 pre-workout was a little much, but the effect was definitely there in the department of pumps.

yeah, but that was the full dose, it was 4 tabs per scoop basically

[youngDoc]

Tried jacked , definately wasnt what i expected from the hype that was surrounding it.

I have been taking White Flood for the past few weeks now and this **** kicks ass, makes me feel like a monster in the gym. Highly Recommended, just steer clear from the lemonade definitely wouldn't get that flavor again.

Tried N.O. Shotgun for the first time today - I dont know if it was just me but i didnt like it. Definately tastes good, but didnt hit as hard as white flood. Not only that, halfway through my workout i look in the mirror and my right eye was ****ed up! like it was cockeyed and wasnt tracking properly?! anyone else ever experience this type of thing before? freaked me out

[Atari]

Ive been using white flood for quite a while and I love the stuff.I think I need to take a break for a while as I find myselef using more than my normal dosage. With my Job I still need that motivation and energy to hit the gym.

That said...

Any recomendations on an alternative pre work out?

Ive tried:

No explode- good all around but wicked crash
Super pump- short lived energy and "super dumps"
Jack3d- worked great the first few times then nothing
White flood- the best so far.

[Hurley04int]

For first time use I would go with

NO-Xplode--When I first started my pumps and energy was insane...sadly my body quickly got used to it!

Super Pump- Super sucked


No Xplode NT- Im trying the more advanced version and it gives me energy but its not as insane as before.


I want to try white flood so that is what im buying next!

[szendreivail]

Musclepharm Assault is amazing. either that or superpump

[boogiman1981]

loved assault been out if it since dec but starting back again. and assault rocked

[G-wood]

For first time use I would go with

NO-Xplode--When I first started my pumps and energy was insane...sadly my body quickly got used to it!

Super Pump- Super sucked


No Xplode NT- Im trying the more advanced version and it gives me energy but its not as insane as before.


I want to try white flood so that is what im buying next!

Totally recommend white flood bro! I just finished my first cycle of it, and I was up to 2 - 3 scoops, but that's to be expected. I started jack3d this week, just to broaden my specs. Most likely ill be going back to white flood after this jack3d is gone! Although I do like jack3d

[surfinguitar]

Has anyone here tried Jack3ed?

[surfinguitar]

Totally recommend white flood bro! I just finished my first cycle of it, and I was up to 2 - 3 scoops, but that's to be expected. I started jack3d this week, just to broaden my specs. Most likely ill be going back to white flood after this jack3d is gone! Although I do like jack3d
I just noticed you tried Jack3ed.... is the white flood quite a bit better?

[G-wood]

I just noticed you tried Jack3ed.... is the white flood quite a bit better?

I would say yes man. Jack3d is nice, but I think the skin tingling pump and focus I get from white flood is more intense. Ill definitely finish this 45 serving little tub of jack3d cause I bought it, but goin back to white flood next cycle! Let me know any feedback after you try it :)

[MikeG49]

Happy to say I just received my FIRST WHITE FLOOD tub!!! I've tried N.O Xplode, Jack3d, and Super Pump 250.. After reading all the threads on here, I was intrigued by White Flood!!! Can't wait to get off of work & try it on my way to the gym!!

On a second note, I received a free Schick Hydro 5 razor in the box that my White Flood came with!!! Is this normal? I was a little confused, but happy nonetheless ; )

[surfinguitar]

I would say yes man. Jack3d is nice, but I think the skin tingling pump and focus I get from white flood is more intense. Ill definitely finish this 45 serving little tub of jack3d cause I bought it, but goin back to white flood next cycle! Let me know any feedback after you try it :)
Thanks for the advice man..... i'll definitely try some!

[G-wood]

Happy to say I just received my FIRST WHITE FLOOD tub!!! I've tried N.O Xplode, Jack3d, and Super Pump 250.. After reading all the threads on here, I was intrigued by White Flood!!! Can't wait to get off of work & try it on my way to the gym!!

On a second note, I received a free Schick Hydro 5 razor in the box that my White Flood came with!!! Is this normal? I was a little confused, but happy nonetheless ; )

Haha dude funny thing, I got the same razor with mine a couple months back. I was gonna chuck it, but my wife wanted to hang onto it for god knows whay reason, but it ended up coming it handy when we had some family in town and someone needed a razor haha!
But ya man good luck with the WF, sure you will like it

[G-wood]

Thanks for the advice man..... i'll definitely try some!

Ya man, give it a go, it is nice. There is a CL rep that posts alot in here and I think he offers free samples

[surfinguitar]

Ya man, give it a go, it is nice. There is a CL rep that posts alot in here and I think he offers free samples
Wow that would be great! Does the white flood last you quite a while? I know when i was using no-xplode it would last about a month.....

[32gOfNattyPB]

ASGT, White blood, Period!

[G-wood]

Wow that would be great! Does the white flood last you quite a while? I know when i was using no-xplode it would last about a month.....

Hmm, I think it lasted me about two months. The scoop is smaller than the no explode scoop. It is def a better value, both with the price, and how nice it works. I started with one scoop pre workout, and at the end of a cycle, was up to about 2 - 3 scoops. That's normal with any pre workout nitric oxide tho, as you build up a tolerance. I think its really important to take a week or two off after you finish a cycle.

[surfinguitar]

Hmm, I think it lasted me about two months. The scoop is smaller than the no explode scoop. It is def a better value, both with the price, and how nice it works. I started with one scoop pre workout, and at the end of a cycle, was up to about 2 - 3 scoops. That's normal with any pre workout nitric oxide tho, as you build up a tolerance. I think its really important to take a week or two off after you finish a cycle.
Awesome man! Yeah i'm definitely going to try some out..... Yeah i know what you're saying about your body building up a tolerance, the first time i took no-xplode it was pretty intense....then towards the end it kinda faded away :( Thanks again man for all your help! ill let you know how i like it.... i'm sure ill love it! haha

[Rasfuten]

I tried one scoop of Jack3d yesterday before hitting the gym, and it was kind of a disappointment for me. I thought it was going to give me some insane energy to allow me to do some extra reps but the effect was meh. It might have given me some extra endurance to add in some extra workouts that I wouldn't normally do but that might have been due to the placebo effect. I'll bump up my next dosage to two scoops and see how it goes.

On the other hand my roommate tried out a scoop as well and he said that he was wired and getting intense focus and all that.

[Hurley04int]

Totally recommend white flood bro! I just finished my first cycle of it, and I was up to 2 - 3 scoops, but that's to be expected. I started jack3d this week, just to broaden my specs. Most likely ill be going back to white flood after this jack3d is gone! Although I do like jack3d


No Xplode NT is really good for that energy but I love and I mean love getting pumps! From what I hear White flood is pretty good with that.

[ArmySloth]

No Xplode NT is really good for that energy but I love and I mean love getting pumps! From what I hear White flood is pretty good with that.

I have tried alot of these pre workouts and I finally found one that doesnt get me all stupid and feel like I'm on meth.

Muscle Pharm's Assault is on point, taste is alright though I think it has to much tang and it can get chalky if you don't shake it enough. I have to take an Adrenal gland cleanser with it and I have gotten nothing but great results, serious pumps.

I have had Super Pump 250, jacked, No Shotgun many others and I'd say this competes very well with the mainstream guys anyday. Kudos to Muscle Pharm

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ya man, give it a go, it is nice. There is a CL rep that posts alot in here and I think he offers free samples
correct, you can get the free samples from the link in my signature below :)

[Hurley04int]

Sweet! Thanks for the info

[FlightClub23]

I've tried most of the popular ones and here's my feedback;

Superpump 250 - Should be renamed SuperDUMP, i was running to the bathroom in the middle of my workout and looked like i was 9 months pregnant.

NoXplode - Weak, felt like i drank a Monster.

Nano Vapor - Pretty intense energy, but wayyyy too much shakiness and dirtiness, (due to the Yohimbine) no power just energy if that makes sense.

Black Powder - This was a pretty good mix of clean energy, no crash, and decent pump. One of my favorites.

Jack3d - Intense energy, but I personally developed a tolerance within 3 workouts, my buddy takes 4 scoops but he's a stimwhore.

White Flood - Good clean energy, power, and no crash whatsoever...the tingle feeling was pretty cool as a bonus, and the pumps were great. Best product yet IMO!

[surfinguitar]

I've tried most of the popular ones and here's my feedback;

Superpump 250 - Should be renamed SuperDUMP, i was running to the bathroom in the middle of my workout and looked like i was 9 months pregnant.

NoXplode - Weak, felt like i drank a Monster.

Nano Vapor - Pretty intense energy, but wayyyy too much shakiness and dirtiness, (due to the Yohimbine) no power just energy if that makes sense.

Black Powder - This was a pretty good mix of clean energy, no crash, and decent pump. One of my favorites.

Jack3d - Intense energy, but I personally developed a tolerance within 3 workouts, my buddy takes 4 scoops but he's a stimwhore.

White Flood - Good clean energy, power, and no crash whatsoever...the tingle feeling was pretty cool as a bonus, and the pumps were great. Best product yet IMO!

Thanks for the info man!

[G-wood]

As you can see, most people prefer white flood. Ill be goin back to it after this cycle of jack3d, so bout a month or so

[Hurley04int]

As you can see, most people prefer white flood. Ill be goin back to it after this cycle of jack3d, so bout a month or so

Im getting the same feeling. Im putting my order in this friday for WF.

[tooslowandfat]

I'm going to put in an order for WF. Where's the cheapest place to buy it?

[G-wood]

I'm going to put in an order for WF. Where's the cheapest place to buy it?

Here dude lol

[wilermke]

loved assault been out if it since dec but starting back again. and assault rocked

Assault is Awesome, Raz Lemonade is the best tasting supplement Ihave ever had.