Best Overall Pre-Workout Energy/Pump Supplement?

[WarlordMalice]

guys hows white flood on the digestive system, ie. does it give the runs?

I haven't experienced anything like that with WF

[kramerch]

I tried NO Xplode, which by far gave me a great pre-workout pump. However, it gave me some serious diarrhea in the middle of my workouts which basically made it a waste. Switched to Jack3d after 2 weeks on NO Xplode. I must have a serious tolerance to the active ingredients of it because it does nothing for me at all. I've experienced some irritability after a few hours of taking Jack3d but that's about it. I progressed from one to two to three scoops finally. Still nothing.

[Shangius]

I've tried Jack3d and WF. Any recommendations for a 3rd?

[Come at me bro]

Hey, somebody posted that their is a clone of the orginal jack3d out there by a different company, anyone heard of this or have a label from the orginal jack3d for google purposes

[RippedFamMan]

I've tried Jack3d and WF. Any recommendations for a 3rd?

Primal N20 or Vasocharge or Quake 10.0. Quake is brand new, but Scivation seems to do good on the pre workout supps.

[doug86]

My favourite so far is NO Shotgun, consistant, doesnt give me the superdumps and is cost effective as i never have to take two scoops.

I'm just about finished a tub of Hemorage, definately needed the two scoops "underground" servings, and even then i didnt find it as powerful as some of the others out there that require 1 scoop. I'm always a little skeptical when a company doesnt list any of the numbers of how much is in it. Every content size is just filled in with stars. The bodybuilding industry isnt stupid, if you dont tell us what or how much is in it we're more inclined to think we're gettin ripped off. Companies should be up front about that stuff.

That being said I'm going to try Jacked next week.

And yes i'm ordering my controlled labs white flood sample :)

[Kikona]

Just made it through my first container of Jacked, in the past I have tried nano vapor, superpump,white flood, and supercharged. FOR ME I would rate them in this order from most effective to least effective including all factors like: overall performance, GI discomfort, lasting peak , crash and clean energy.

1. Labrada, supercharge (beware of caffeine levels, very intense workouts).
2. Controlled labs, White flood. (by far the best for value IMO and the one I use most).
3. USP labs Jacked (very good product it works, but peak nor intensity was up to par for me).
4. Gaspari Superpump (GI discomfort but other than that a solid product for intense training).
5. Muscletech Nano vapor (first pre work out sup I tried, cant think of a reason to try again).

[50215clark]

NaNo Vapor does it for me, has some bad reviews, but I don't get the jitters and it helps me with those extra reps.

[WarlordMalice]

I've tried Jack3d and WF. Any recommendations for a 3rd?

Animal Pump

[CONTROLLED LABS]

And yes i'm ordering my controlled labs white flood sample :)
let us know how it goes :)


2. Controlled labs, White flood. (by far the best for value IMO and the one I use most).


best value for the money in the category :eek:

[bhintuna]

I recently started using Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL product as a pre-workout supplement . I do noticed difference than when I just used to use purely Whey Protein .

If you want to have a look , you can go to myprotein website and decided to buy any of the products you can use this promotional code MP213096 to get 5% off your first purchase .

cheers

[xjdesertfox]

im about to finish a tub of jack3d. and want to try out white flood next. i currently get my creatine intake solely from jack3d. when i try out white flood should i also stack with green mag to get my creatine? and take them both pre-workout?

[bosco_]

Since bb.com won't ship some CL stuff I went with Gaspari

SuperPump 250 (raspberry lemonade and orange)

SizeOn Lemon Ice

Plasmajet

Myofusion Banana and strawberries and cream

also going to try some ZMA.


I still have green magnitude and will stop using while I try this.


Hopefully the SP is good, Jack3d was a tremendous disappointment. If SP is no good I will have to find an alternate supplier and pay more for White Flood.

[nalder89]

APS Mesomorph for the win. Full clinical doses of everything in it. PLUS 1,3 Dimethylamylamine (that's what makes jack3d so powerful btw).

here's the ingredient Profile: Quick note, there are only 25 servings, but you will NEVER need to take more than 1 scoop. a lot of people take 1/2 to 3/4 and are totally satisfied. BTW - I'm getting a ton of samples in today, so if anybody wants to try some PM me.

Serving Size: 22 grams
Servings Per Container: 25

Amount Per Serving:

SYNTHENOX-CARNOSINE/NITRIC OXIDE SYNTHESIZING COMPLEX
10,300MG:
L-Citruline DL-Malate, Beta Alanine, Arginine Ethyl Ester DI-HCL, Icariin (50%), Glycocarn (GPLC)

MESOSWELL-CELL VOLUMIZING ATP MATRIX
4,500MG:
Di-creatine Malate, L-Taurine, Creatinol-O-Phosphate

NEUROMORPH-NEURO ENERGIZED STIMULANT MATRIX
2,025MG:
Glucoronolactone, Thiamizine (Thiamine Disulfide Butyrate Ester), Methylxanthine Anhydrous, 3 7-Dihydro-3,7-Dimethyl-1H-Purine-2,6-Dione, Naringenin, 1,3 Dimethylamylamine.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

im about to finish a tub of jack3d. and want to try out white flood next. i currently get my creatine intake solely from jack3d. when i try out white flood should i also stack with green mag to get my creatine? and take them both pre-workout?
yes, that is the best way, both together in 20 ounces of cold water 30 minutes pre. green mag anytime on off days :)

Since bb.com won't ship some CL stuff I went with Gaspari
.

its a tool issue on bb.com website. it will let you order the stack (including white flood) to canada ;)

[Dupes242]

Iv had my best work outs on Jack3d but I crash pretty hard after...

Switched back to Whiteflood, gives me awsome energey/focus and the post workout affects arnt to harsh... I recommend it to all my buddies...

Iv been through NO explode, superpump 250, and Assault...Whiteflood and Jack3d are my fav two choice of weapons.

[nalder89]

Iv had my best work outs on Jack3d but I crash pretty hard after...

Switched back to Whiteflood, gives me awsome energey/focus and the post workout affects arnt to harsh... I recommend it to all my buddies...

Iv been through NO explode, superpump 250, and Assault...Whiteflood and Jack3d are my fav two choice of weapons.

you should try mesomorph. it'll rock your world haha

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Iv had my best work outs on Jack3d but I crash pretty hard after...

Switched back to Whiteflood, gives me awsome energey/focus and the post workout affects arnt to harsh... I recommend it to all my buddies...

Iv been through NO explode, superpump 250, and Assault...Whiteflood and Jack3d are my fav two choice of weapons.

glad to hear you like white flood so much, what flavor are you using?

thanks for spreading the good word to all of your friends :)

[naturalguy]

Can anyone recommend a GOOD low price product? I've never used any pre-workout supplements (apart from creatine) so I figure it's best to start with the cheaper ones...

:)

Shock Therapy is THE best value @ 50 servings for under $32 :eek: :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/shock.html


Animal Pump

My personal favorite ^^

We get amazing feedback on it:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=902775&highlight=Animal+Pump+is+amazing

[Drummerboy]

Id like to try a white flood sample. I have PW and would like to try the combo. Ill be testing against my current stack of presurge, intrabolic and intraxl.

~D~

[FJRod]

Even tho i no longer use pre work supps i did try quite a few a few months back
#1 white flood (lasted almost three months )cant do much better
#2 no xplode(i recommend for noobs) makes u feel like a beast but after 4 weeks tub almost gone and just keeps u up at night no pump) after 3
#3 nano vapor (junk) overpriced) bad taste at first waste of money

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Id like to try a white flood sample. I have PW and would like to try the combo. Ill be testing against my current stack of presurge, intrabolic and intraxl.

~D~

You have PreSurge Unleashed?

[snwbordr008]

As of right now I'd have to say Dark Rage by MHP

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Id like to try a white flood sample. I have PW and would like to try the combo. Ill be testing against my current stack of presurge, intrabolic and intraxl.

~D~
you can get a free sample in the link in my signature below :)

Even tho i no longer use pre work supps i did try quite a few a few months back
#1 white flood (lasted almost three months )cant do much better
#2 no xplode(i recommend for noobs) makes u feel like a beast but after 4 weeks tub almost gone and just keeps u up at night no pump) after 3
#3 nano vapor (junk) overpriced) bad taste at first waste of money

awesome, glad white flood made your number 1 pick. what flavor do you have?

[gregorystacey]

MRI Black Powder. Generally onsale here at bb.com. I just got 60 sticks for $25. The ingredients list give a good rundown of what you're getting and how much of it. I've never went above the 2 serving mark and it works like a champ. If you need a change or catch it onsale then give it a go. Superpump is really good too : )

[ffguitarist14]

jack3d

that stuff is amazing. ill never bother buying anything else cuz it's expensive and nothing has worked like jack3d does. for 30$ itll easily last a month with those little scoops. its very potent, great tasting, and gets you jack3d up beyond belief.

i bought it cuz of the hype and price so i figured it was worth a shot. i HIGHLY recommend going out and trying it once. so if you havent tried it, do it. it is well worth it...besides its very inexpensive, y wouldnt u?!

[TPete18]

I have tried a few including Super Pump, NO Shotgun, and NO Xplode... The only one I felt actual boosts and gains with was the Super Pump surprisingly.

[Deebo69]

Just ordered the free sample pack. I'm stoked about finally giving WF a try. I've been meaning to kick my workouts up a notch or two so I think WF should healp a bit.:)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just ordered the free sample pack. I'm stoked about finally giving WF a try. I've been meaning to kick my workouts up a notch or two so I think WF should healp a bit.:)

you will love white flood. leave some feedback in the review section when you get a chance to try it out :)

[maverickTT1]

A sample wouldn't do much. Atleast for me it didn't.

[jdmap2]

definitely will keep that in mind

[CONTROLLED LABS]

A sample wouldn't do much. Atleast for me it didn't.

its a full serving, so it will def give a good idea how the product works (as long as stim cycling has been practiced)

[levdua]

its a full serving, so it will def give a good idea how the product works (as long as stim cycling has been practiced)

I just ordered the samples too, I hope they are all you hype them up to be CL...Thx.

[fuentejps]

ok, question. i put it here since really no thread for it. what would be recommended for an endurance athlete such as triathlete. for use during training

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just ordered the samples too, I hope they are all you hype them up to be CL...Thx.
no hype, just results. let us know how you like it :cool:

ok, question. i put it here since really no thread for it. what would be recommended for an endurance athlete such as triathlete. for use during training

purple wraath is excellent for endurance and recovery. it is taken during training.

[zeebodybuilder]

purple wraath is excellent for endurance and recovery. it is taken during training.

You wount need to tell me that, LOL.

Check out my current log that im running for more details on taste of Purpel wraath.

Sorry but I just had to mention it..

Thanks

[CONTROLLED LABS]

You wount need to tell me that, LOL.

Check out my current log that im running for more details on taste of Purpel wraath.

Sorry but I just had to mention it..

Thanks


Taste
Purple Wraath Lemon= I read here on this forum peopl said the taste really sucked. I was very casred at first. But this has to be the best tasting intra drink. lol 10/10

glad you are enjoying it so much. I am a lemonade fan myself :)

[downington]

First let me say that for a pre-workout supplement your body needs vasodiolation (Arginine/NO2), electrolytes, antioxidants, a good creatine mixture for increased strength and high grade BCAAs. I have tried and swear by TopForm's new pre-workout. This product not only has the best of the best components but it tastes amazing. I always look forward to my workouts and after two weeks I can see a huge improvement in my training.

[troymkennedy]

Ok, so I ordered my free sample pack from Controlled Labs and tried three different supps this a.m.. Thanks for the samples!

I hate to say this because the CL rep here seems like such a nice guy, but these all tasted really bad. I followed the instructions on the packaging for the water amounts. Really nasty, chemical taste for all three. The most tolerable was Green Mag followed my the Intra Workout (Purple Wraath?) and last was White Flood. Yikes!

I have tried SP250 and NO Xplode and both were a lot better. Xplode being the best.

I have seen advice of drinking 32 to 64 ounces of water with White Flood to make it taste better.

64 ozs. Seriously? If you have to drink 64 ozs to choke down a product its time to improve the product. No disrespect intended. Just shooting straight.

It worked fine as a pre wo supp. Good energy and pump. The purple wraath made me a little queasy as I was taking it during the workout. But that may just be me.

[Chazk]

Slin-Sane will deliver extreme pumps and n.o. delivery, It is stim free though, so don't expect extreme energy before.

[eyenstein]

Noobs try Jack3d, when you finished the tub, use White flood and just add a Creatine supp Post workout or Universal Torrent (it's the chit imo) because WF doesn't contain creatine, but man the stuff is crazy, I took 2 scoops of WF and went out drinking, almost started a fight with every dude in the bar. beast.

[mlopez1987]

I have tried n.o explode, shotgun, superpump 250, jacked and monster pump (new from cytosport) and nothing works on me like whiteflood does. no explode only worked for a week before i needed to up the doses to feel something. shotgun and superpump destroyed my stomach (literally running to bathroom during my workout). jacked and monster made me laugh....

White flood not only gets me going, the focus is insane, pumps are even insaner and seems to me like the harder/longer i train the more i feel it working.....like woah? Great price too...

i stack it with green mag.....

Don't think u can get a better stack IMO

[TylerB]

I just got some Jack3d today. Hoping it works! I've read nothing but good things about it, besides a few negative comments. It's gotta be better than Xplode or Shock Therapy. It was a toss between this and White Flood.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Noobs try Jack3d, when you finished the tub, use White flood and just add a Creatine supp Post workout or Universal Torrent (it's the chit imo) because WF doesn't contain creatine, but man the stuff is crazy, I took 2 scoops of WF and went out drinking, almost started a fight with every dude in the bar. beast.


I have tried n.o explode, shotgun, superpump 250, jacked and monster pump (new from cytosport) and nothing works on me like whiteflood does. no explode only worked for a week before i needed to up the doses to feel something. shotgun and superpump destroyed my stomach (literally running to bathroom during my workout). jacked and monster made me laugh....

White flood not only gets me going, the focus is insane, pumps are even insaner and seems to me like the harder/longer i train the more i feel it working.....like woah? Great price too...

i stack it with green mag.....

Don't think u can get a better stack IMO
glad you are both enjoying white flood so much :)

I just got some Jack3d today. Hoping it works! I've read nothing but good things about it, besides a few negative comments. It's gotta be better than Xplode or Shock Therapy. It was a toss between this and White Flood.
give white flood a shot next :)

[asquarecan]

Right now I am using NO Xplode, I am about half way through my tub, focus and energy are great but I work out after work.. Usually drink it between 5-7 and I cant go to bed before 10:30-12. Which kills me because I have to get up at 5am for work.

So I am pondering starting on either white flood or green magnitude. Either one better then the other? I have heard good things about both I am just undecided on which to try.

[AlphaBrass01]

Right now I am using NO Xplode, I am about half way through my tub, focus and energy are great but I work out after work.. Usually drink it between 5-7 and I cant go to bed before 10:30-12. Which kills me because I have to get up at 5am for work.

So I am pondering starting on either white flood or green magnitude. Either one better then the other? I have heard good things about both I am just undecided on which to try.
They are really two completely different things. WF is pre-workout for energy and pumps. GM is a creatine formula. Many people stack them together.

[asquarecan]

They are really two completely different things. WF is pre-workout for energy and pumps. GM is a creatine formula. Many people stack them together.

Gotcha, that is what I kind of thought but i was unsure so i figured i would ask.

so you guys think I would get better results stacking WF/GM vs NO Xplode? NO provides me with the mental focus and strength i need but absolutely no pump at all; no sure how much that actually matters though.

Thanks

[AlphaBrass01]

Gotcha, that is what I kind of thought but i was unsure so i figured i would ask.

so you guys think I would get better results stacking WF/GM vs NO Xplode? NO provides me with the mental focus and strength i need but absolutely no pump at all; no sure how much that actually matters though.

Thanks
No problem.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I had better results with WF and GM than NO Xplode. I know there are many out there that love it, though. I think the best answer would be to try it and see. Then you can either make a more permanent switch or go back...until you find something else you want to try, which if you're like me, will definitely happen.

[troymkennedy]

White flood would likely have the same caffeine/stimulants as xplode. That is what is keeping you up. It will be tough to find a pre workout drink that doesn't. Our bodies all react differently, though. I would thnk at that time of day you could use just a creatine supp before the workout. It won't give you the crazy energy, but it won't keep you up either.

[Da3v2id]

jack3d

that stuff is amazing. ill never bother buying anything else cuz it's expensive and nothing has worked like jack3d does. for 30$ itll easily last a month with those little scoops. its very potent, great tasting, and gets you jack3d up beyond belief.

i bought it cuz of the hype and price so i figured it was worth a shot. i HIGHLY recommend going out and trying it once. so if you havent tried it, do it. it is well worth it...besides its very inexpensive, y wouldnt u?!

I agree one hundred percent, I went from N.O. Loaded(complete crap btw) to N.O. Explode(which I loved) to Jack3d and nothing compares. Jack3d is the real deal. For energy and pumps.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Right now I am using NO Xplode, I am about half way through my tub, focus and energy are great but I work out after work.. Usually drink it between 5-7 and I cant go to bed before 10:30-12. Which kills me because I have to get up at 5am for work.

So I am pondering starting on either white flood or green magnitude. Either one better then the other? I have heard good things about both I am just undecided on which to try.


They are really two completely different things. WF is pre-workout for energy and pumps. GM is a creatine formula. Many people stack them together.
exactly :)

No problem.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I had better results with WF and GM than NO Xplode. I know there are many out there that love it, though. I think the best answer would be to try it and see. Then you can either make a more permanent switch or go back...until you find something else you want to try, which if you're like me, will definitely happen.

glad you liked the white flood/green magnitude combination :)

[JDurden11]

exactly :)


glad you liked the white flood/green magnitude combination :)

just ordered green mag and white flood, in order to go with that combo. just to be clear, if you're stacking, is it a scoop of each pre-workout, and then a scoop of GM post-workout?? i saw the directions for each, but saw nothing about if you're combining them, and didn't know if it made a difference.

[mlopez1987]

just ordered green mag and white flood, in order to go with that combo. just to be clear, if you're stacking, is it a scoop of each pre-workout, and then a scoop of GM post-workout?? i saw the directions for each, but saw nothing about if you're combining them, and didn't know if it made a difference.

I would say just pre workout would suffice. Thats 10g of creatine. No need to add more.

[waryu122]

Hi , I wanna ask that who have tried hemo rage undeground before??? Is that giving a nice effect ?? So now i dunno which to pick , should i take hemo or nano??? Some one feedback thx !!!! =)

[Bucky86]

I've tried a few Pre-workout/pump supplements before...here is what I've tried and what I think of them.

MHP Dark Rage: First Pre-workout supp I ever tried. Decided to give it a shot after running Dark Matter for a few weeks, gotta say, I loved the stuff. Crazy amounts of energy, amazing focus, strength went up, best pumps I've ever seen, put on a good deal of muscle. Tasted like crap though (although I liked fruit punch or whatever better then cola fizz) I personally got used to it. The reason I don't use Dark Rage any more is because of the side effects I was getting from it, while on it I was sweating a lot more then normal, I'd have to wear two t-shirts if I didn't want massive pit stains lol. The increased perspiration also lead to more acne. My blood pressure also went up as well (although it seemed to be only the systolic number). Over all I really liked the stuff, have yet to take a pre workout supp that's made me wanna hit the iron as hard as Dark Rage.

BSN N.O. Explode: My first day on this stuff was great. I went to this stuff after cycling off Dark Rage and the feeling was a lot different. Had good focus and energy, not as intense as Dark Rage but enjoyable. Unfortunately I only got that feeling from N.O. Explode for about week. After that it just turned into a bad tasting laxative. I finished the first tub, cycled off and tried a second tub, felt barely anything and still had horrible stomach probs. Lost some water weight and fat as a result though lol. Over all I really didn't like N.O. Explode, I personally think there are better choices out there.

Controlled Labs White Flood: After giving up on N.O. Explode I moved onto White Flood and was very pleased. White flood delivered great amounts of energy and awesome focus. Tasted great, very refreshing for a pre-workout supp (the lemonade flavor is my favorite). No real pumps and I didn't feel stronger while on white flood, but I still would highly recommend this product. Good price, good taste, mixes well, no side effects at all, all around good product.

USP Labs Jack3d: After running out of White flood and being temporarily strapped for cash, a buddy of mine gave me half a tub of Jack3d. And with that, I found my favorite pre-workout supp. I've since gone through a couple tubs and while I don't feel the "tingles" that a lot people say they get from Jack3d I do feel stronger, have more energy, my mood becomes elevated and my recovery time in between sets gets shorter. The taste is also enjoyable (love the lemon-lime) and it mixes very well. I look forward to taking this stuff before every workout. I don't get any real pumps from Jack3d but I'm fine with that, what I do get from it is more then worth it.

Millenium Sport RagNORok: Got a sample of this stuff in the mail and gave it a shot one night after working a 12 hour shift. I was very pleased and impressed. Not only did RagNORok bring me out of my otherwise "not there" mental state, but it made me feel a whole heck of a lot stronger then I did prior to taking it. Unfortunately that strength didn't last the entire workout, and during my last few sets I actually felt some what weaker then I normally would during that point in my workout. I wanna contribute this to my long day however (I work at a mental health hospital and the 12 hour shift that started at 5am was a killer that day) and will probably try a tub at some point.

I-Force Hemavol: I'm currently on my second Week of hemavol and I gotta say, I'm very pleased with the stuff. As a stand alone supp. it delivers good focus and unbelievable gains in strength, endurance and recovery time in between sets. However, for me personally, I've yet to see these amazing pumps everyone says they get from hemavol. I get some decent pumps, but nothing like I thought I'd get when looking into purchasing this product. I will being buying a second tub however, the strength and recovery time I get from this stuff is well worth the price tag for me.

With all that being said, I've also combined Jack3d and Hemavol together. The two products definitely work well together, I've had no side effects other then some pretty amazing workouts.

If I were to rank the products individually...
1. Jack3d
2. White Flood
3. Dark Rage (would have been higher if not for the side effects..)
4. Hemavol
5. RagNORok (Would have been higher if not for the diminished strength, gonna try this one again)
6. N.O. Explode

Jack3d+Hemavol is definetly the way to go though...I feel a lot stronger, have great energy, focus, endurance and some pretty decent pumps. No side effects, easy to take. You can't go wrong with this combo.

[LittleRob]

"Jack3d+Hemavol is definetly the way to go though...I feel a lot stronger, have great energy, focus, endurance and some pretty decent pumps. No side effects, easy to take. You can't go wrong with this combo. "
What kind of stack would you say you made when you combined those too? The Hemoval was removed on the 3/24 from BB. Just gave you better pumps since you werent getting it form Jack3d?

[JDurden11]

I would say just pre workout would suffice. Thats 10g of creatine. No need to add more.

so just a scoop of each pre workout?

[BuDHa29]

i wish there was a poll so we can see what the majority picked instead of reading through 50 pages.

[tmf2004]

"Jack3d+Hemavol is definetly the way to go though...I feel a lot stronger, have great energy, focus, endurance and some pretty decent pumps. No side effects, easy to take. You can't go wrong with this combo. "
What kind of stack would you say you made when you combined those too? The Hemoval was removed on the 3/24 from BB. Just gave you better pumps since you werent getting it form Jack3d?

Jack3d is my vote as well... Even the new formula.. Definitely feel stronger and pumping out a few more reps than ususal.. Felt really strong today after a 5 day overnight work week.. I was impressed..

[Defenbach]

Jack3d is my vote as well... Even the new formula.. Definitely feel stronger and pumping out a few more reps than ususal.. Felt really strong today after a 5 day overnight work week.. I was impressed..

I'm ordering jack3d in the next couple of days. What is the "better" flavor. To be honest whatever has the least taste is probably what I would prefer. Thanks.

[d4mn3d]

I'm ordering jack3d in the next couple of days. What is the "better" flavor. To be honest whatever has the least taste is probably what I would prefer. Thanks.

I just recently finished their tropical punch flavor, and it smells and tastes like a bitter pina colada (A LOT of coconut flavor, like my desk still smells of coconut where I first opened my tub).

I'm gonna be picking up their lemon-lime soon. (Flavor is a minor issue, I had great workouts with the jack3d)

[Defenbach]

I just recently finished their tropical punch flavor, and it smells and tastes like a bitter pina colada (A LOT of coconut flavor, like my desk still smells of coconut where I first opened my tub).

I'm gonna be picking up their lemon-lime soon. (Flavor is a minor issue, I had great workouts with the jack3d)

Thank you. You have inspired me to get lemon-lime as well.

[bill_n_opus]

Ok, so I ordered my free sample pack from Controlled Labs and tried three different supps this a.m.. Thanks for the samples!

I hate to say this because the CL rep here seems like such a nice guy, but these all tasted really bad. I followed the instructions on the packaging for the water amounts. Really nasty, chemical taste for all three. The most tolerable was Green Mag followed my the Intra Workout (Purple Wraath?) and last was White Flood. Yikes!

I have tried SP250 and NO Xplode and both were a lot better. Xplode being the best.

I have seen advice of drinking 32 to 64 ounces of water with White Flood to make it taste better.

64 ozs. Seriously? If you have to drink 64 ozs to choke down a product its time to improve the product. No disrespect intended. Just shooting straight.

It worked fine as a pre wo supp. Good energy and pump. The purple wraath made me a little queasy as I was taking it during the workout. But that may just be me.


I will chime in with my opinions just because I know what you're talking about because I went through it myself.

- White Flood is a very good product. Electric Lemondade is much preferable to the Sour Green Apple IMO, but the latter is fine too.

- the first time I tried Purple Wraath I was like "WTF? This is terrible!" (in terms of taste) ... however, I got used to it really quickly and now i've come to like the "taste". One piece of advice though: Always, always use 3-4 ice cubes to make PW cold, cold, cold. Once it gets warm it's rougher for the new user to like it. I don't mind since i'm used to it.

- i'm trying Superpump 250 as well, the orange flavour. It tastes pretty good ... but I don't think I get the same effect as WF ... i'll have to experiment more. Perhaps i'm stimmed out and need a break. One thing is for sure, you get more value with the WF. I also feel a little more GI distress with the Superpump 250 but i'll have to investigate further. I've only had it for 2-3 weeks now.

- all this talk about the Jack3d product ... i'll have to try it out.

[mlopez1987]

so just a scoop of each pre workout?

Yeah i use it pre workout , 1 scoop of both. I also use IntrAbolic intra workout. And just a regular protein shake post workout.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

just ordered green mag and white flood, in order to go with that combo. just to be clear, if you're stacking, is it a scoop of each pre-workout, and then a scoop of GM post-workout?? i saw the directions for each, but saw nothing about if you're combining them, and didn't know if it made a difference.
1 servign (2 scoops) of white flood and 1 scoop (1 serving) of green magnitude mixed together in 20 ounces of cold water and taken 30 minutes preworkout. no need to take more post workout. on off days just take green magnitude.


Controlled Labs White Flood: After giving up on N.O. Explode I moved onto White Flood and was very pleased. White flood delivered great amounts of energy and awesome focus. Tasted great, very refreshing for a pre-workout supp (the lemonade flavor is my favorite). No real pumps and I didn't feel stronger while on white flood, but I still would highly recommend this product. Good price, good taste, mixes well, no side effects at all, all around good product.
glad you enjoyed white flood. its also one of the cheapest (per workout) preworkout products on the market :)

[russianbear561]

Just curious, I used to take Animal Pump when I was going pre-workout, gave me the best pumps of my life....where is the Animal Love in this thread?!!! Is it really all about Jack3d nowadays?

[AlphaBrass01]

Just curious, I used to take Animal Pump when I was going pre-workout, gave me the best pumps of my life....where is the Animal Love in this thread?!!! Is it really all about Jack3d nowadays?
Animal Pump is one of my favorites! I think it gets less attention from a lot of people because it doesn't give a huge energy rush, but more of a smooth, even flow. If people are looking for a big, immediate hit of energy, there are definitely better choices, but the pump and focus from Pump are great!

[waryu122]

What about the different between nano vapor and cell tech , can some plzz tell me thx !!!! =)

[05impalaSS]

what about the different between nano vapor and cell tech , can some plzz tell me thx !!!! =)

wut?

[russianbear561]

Animal Pump is one of my favorites! I think it gets less attention from a lot of people because it doesn't give a huge energy rush, but more of a smooth, even flow. If people are looking for a big, immediate hit of energy, there are definitely better choices, but the pump and focus from Pump are great!

Yea I agree, I haven't tried jack3d but I am one very sensitive to stims, I don't really like feeling jittery in the gym white flood had me feeling like that. Definitely felt strong, got more reps than usual, but the pumps from Animal Pump litterally made my skin feel like it was tearing...and yea the more controlled, constant focus and energy are great.

Another reason people may not be showing it much attention is because it takes about two weeks for it to really start becoming effective.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

new white flood flavor coming out by the end of the month ;)
Yea I agree, I haven't tried jack3d but I am one very sensitive to stims, I don't really like feeling jittery in the gym white flood had me feeling like that. Definitely felt strong, got more reps than usual



did you try a lower dose of white flood?

[naturalguy]

Just curious, I used to take Animal Pump when I was going pre-workout, gave me the best pumps of my life....where is the Animal Love in this thread?!!! Is it really all about Jack3d nowadays?


Animal Pump is one of my favorites! I think it gets less attention from a lot of people because it doesn't give a huge energy rush, but more of a smooth, even flow. If people are looking for a big, immediate hit of energy, there are definitely better choices, but the pump and focus from Pump are great!

Animal Pump is still king fellas:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=902775&highlight=Animal+Pump+is+amazing

It's really different from most other formulas in that it doesn't rely on stims as much. As you noted it's a much smoother, steadier energy and focus rather than a big kick. You can even leave the stims out (all contained in a single red pill) and you still get great workouts, pump and strength gains. It's the ONLY pre-workout formula that give you this option.

[Bucky86]

"What kind of stack would you say you made when you combined those too? The Hemoval was removed on the 3/24 from BB. Just gave you better pumps since you werent getting it form Jack3d?"

That's the original reason why I looked at Hemoval. I heard a lot of good stuff and thought it'd make up for Jack3d's lack of pumps, however, that didn't happen. Instead, as I posted above, I just ended up feeling stronger and seemed to recover a lot quicker in between sets.

[05impalaSS]

new white flood flavor coming out by the end of the month ;)

did you try a lower dose of white flood?

A new Flavor... thats a good thing.

[HardWrkPays]

Looking for some opinions. . . I have taken NO-Xplode, tried Jack3d, and i was just looking for suggestions on what i should try next? One of these ones again? Or try something like the white flood, dark rage, hemo rage? And any reviews on this new 1 M.R?? Any and all opinions and suggestions to help me decide quickly will be appreciated due to the fact i need one in the next couple of days. Thanks.

[troymkennedy]

Looking for some opinions. . . I have taken NO-Xplode, tried Jack3d, and i was just looking for suggestions on what i should try next? One of these ones again? Or try something like the white flood, dark rage, hemo rage? And any reviews on this new 1 M.R?? Any and all opinions and suggestions to help me decide quickly will be appreciated due to the fact i need one in the next couple of days. Thanks.

I just tried NO Shotgun and REALLY liked it. That would be a worthy nominee for ya.

[stiga13]

Code Red by SNS is by far the best Pre-Workout I have tried!

[trk63b]

I just tried NO Shotgun and REALLY liked it. That would be a worthy nominee for ya.

ive been takn no shotgun for 3 weeks and it has a great taste and doesnt make you wanna throw up like nano vapor

[CONTROLLED LABS]

A new Flavor... thats a good thing.

yup and it tastes amazing. we will be looking for testers early next week, so look at the company promo section and submit an application :)

[HardWrkPays]

Any other ideas or opinions on what to try next? Just want to keep my options open

[michaelalden]

I think everyone's body chemistry is a bit different from the next person's. So what will work for you -- BEST -- may not work best for the next guy. I have tried a lot of stuff...some works consistently well...some things work KILLER. The stuff that works killer seems short-lived...I might get killer results for a short time then they wane.

For consistency, I use NO Explode or NO Shotgun. I can rely on them both for consistent strength, stamina and pump workout to workout.

Things I have gotten KILLER results from (albeit short term):
- Jack3d
- NaNO9X
- NaNO Vapor (was the most disgusting supplement I have ever consumed!)

[Jarstfer]

Has anyone heard any good things about NeuroXplode? I saw on other websites its rated pretty highly but havent talked to anyone with actual experience with it

[JoeyV123]

For everyone here that has tried and liked jack3d, try 1.M.R! I just ordered it, i think it is relatively new, bc i have tried pretty much every preworkout out there and i love this! Gives me crazy energy and is very similar to Jack3d, besides Jack3d gave me a pretty hard crash and this hasn't yet!

[russianbear561]

new white flood flavor coming out by the end of the month ;)

did you try a lower dose of white flood?

No, but it sounds like something I could have tried. I got the samples so I only got one dose of white flood. It honestly helped me lift weight I thought I was too tired for, liked the strength from it.

[madbrain]

im hearing GREAT reviews on this product.

i mean like blows everything else out the water, xplode, superpump, etc.

anyone try it?

As far as Jacked: taste is terrible, pumps are subpar but energy was good. At only 15 servings per bottle it's not worth it. Don't believe the hype I got sucked into it think they are paid or something.

[davidexx]

The best pre workout for me is ANIMAL PUMP is a great supplement
I take 20' before the training
for all my training
I'm reaching the maximum pumping
:)

[Radar731]

I only tried Superpump250 and Jack3d so far.
I must say that Jack3d is my favorite.

Superpump tasted bad, and it kind of hurt my stomach a little bit sometimes.
Jack3d tasted GREAT the 1st few times, like lemonade, and it gives great focus and energy. Even though jack3d doesn't taste as good as it did my 1st day, It still tastes good and its easier to take into my body. Superpump made me feel crappy, and I felt as if I NEEDED it in order to have a good workout.

[hedfullofmusic]

I'm using Platinum Pump Fuel by NDS. Yeah the GNC dude screwed me on this one. Anyone recommend what I should really take next month? This stuff was like 70 bucks for 30 days. I'm not rich and never will be.

[therian1]

ENDORUSH love that ****.

[intrusionzero]

So far i have tried N.O.-Xplode, Fast Twitch by Cytosport, and SP250

no xplode worked well the first few tubs but after that i felt like i needed to up the dose which i didnt really want so i decided to try fast twitch. Fast twitch was a lot less intense then no xplode but gave a more consistent energy along with much better focus, it didnt mix or taste too well but that isn't much of a factor to me. After fast twitch stopped being sold in the size/price i liked it, i decided to try super pump. There is alot of powder and unless you use alot of water its pretty sour but gives good pump and energy but after my first tub i crash after about an hr or working out.

Looking to try either jack3d or White Flood now, my only concern with white flood is there is no creatine in it, would supplementing 5 g of micronized creatine in my post workout protein shake fix this?

[troymkennedy]

Right now my favorite it NO Shotgun. Has a great profile with creatine, good protein and BCAA. I don't crash and it has a really good pump. Doesn't taste bad.

I have tried:
NO Xplode - tastes good, works amazing the first couple of times then tapers off. Still effective though. crashes a little
Superpump - tastes bad, works fine. crashes.
White Flood - tastes REALLY bad. Works fine. didn't notice a crash.
Endorush - Tastes fine, good energy. no pump (not supposed to) I developed a tolerance pretty quickly.

In a perfect world I get the taste of Xplode with the effect and profile of Shotgun.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Looking to try either jack3d or White Flood now, my only concern with white flood is there is no creatine in it, would supplementing 5 g of micronized creatine in my post workout protein shake fix this?

looking forward to your review. yes, you can take creatine mono with it or take green magnitude with it :)

[marcmarc22]

Below is a list of Pre-Workout powders I have tried in the past. Infinite Labs Juggernaut is number one for me with Jack3D a close 2nd and Dymatized Xpand Pump in 3rd. I am adding 3g of A-AKG along with my pre-workout supp. and it is giving me great added energy. BUTTT... after reading and reseraching I think I will resort to a homemade mix... this will give me total control over my wants/needs in a true pre-workout boost. If I need more of this or that I can add it myself. So far I have built my homemade pre-workout based off Jack3D but a little more powerful. It looks like this:

- Olympian Labs A-AKG(Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate) 4g
- Primaforce Beta Alanine 4g
- Primaforce 1,3 Dimethylamylamine 75mg (3tabs)
- Optimum Nutrition Creatine Monohydrate 5g
- Optimum Nutrition BCAA 5g

Now I know most of you are saying that it is cheaper maybe to buy a pre-workout than make your own... but I am a hobbiest bodybuilder... I just doing it to look good on the beach... but at least my pre-workout is all quality and I know everything that is going in and for the $$$ it will last just as long as most retail pre-workouts but this way I will be getting what I want and not fussing with... this didnt work or I didnt feel this or there is to much of this.

Infinite Labs Juggernaut = BEST
USPLabs JACK3D
BSN N.O. Explode
Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump 250
Controlled Labs White Flood
Nutrex Research Hemo Rage Black
VPX NO Shotgun
Dymatize Nutrition Xpand Xtreme
Scivation Vasocharge

[primestacks]

White flood! Extremely focused energy and insane pumps. Almost finished with my first tub and still have the same results as my first dose! Great stuff!

[geeman]

any heard anything about the new Phenom Amped powder by BCS?

looks good

[Rodzilla01]

any heard anything about the new Phenom Amped powder by BCS?

looks good

Yup, its VERY good and tastes like Kool-Aid! Unfortunately, BB.com wont have it anytime soon....:(

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White flood! Extremely focused energy and insane pumps. Almost finished with my first tub and still have the same results as my first dose! Great stuff!

awesome to hear. the new fruit punch white flood hits the bb.com store in less than 2 weeks :eek:

[ArmySloth]

awesome to hear. the new fruit punch white flood hits the bb.com store in less than 2 weeks :eek:


Is anyone else pretty resitant to the pre workout stuff, I've tried NoXplode, and that crap didnt work at all I had a 30 second boost and then it fell. I tried jacked next, I first did the recommended dose and didnt feel anything different, I had to take the max 3 scoops to get my pump and energy, the same for super pump. seriously.... I can't sit here and buy 800 gram tubs every 2 weeks. Anyone recommend a powerful one? Or should I just say f-it and drive on without it?

Shootin and Scootin
AS

[BParker89]

Is anyone else pretty resitant to the pre workout stuff, I've tried NoXplode, and that crap didnt work at all I had a 30 second boost and then it fell. I tried jacked next, I first did the recommended dose and didnt feel anything different, I had to take the max 3 scoops to get my pump and energy, the same for super pump. seriously.... I can't sit here and buy 800 gram tubs every 2 weeks. Anyone recommend a powerful one? Or should I just say f-it and drive on without it?

Shootin and Scootin
AS

Try M5 Extreme!!! I have the same problem you do no xplode and shotgun don't work but this stuff was awesome! I lifted WAY more than I usually do!!!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Is anyone else pretty resitant to the pre workout stuff, I've tried NoXplode, and that crap didnt work at all I had a 30 second boost and then it fell. I tried jacked next, I first did the recommended dose and didnt feel anything different, I had to take the max 3 scoops to get my pump and energy, the same for super pump. seriously.... I can't sit here and buy 800 gram tubs every 2 weeks. Anyone recommend a powerful one? Or should I just say f-it and drive on without it?

Shootin and Scootin
AS

had you been on stim products for a while? are you a big coffee drinker? have you tried white flood?

[thomasDB]

So far, I've tried SP250 & Dymatize Xpand Xtreme Pump. If I had to rate both
SP250 = 7, focus was there and energy too..but i had no pumps even with 2scoops
Xpand = 9, alot of pumps but it went away fast

I'm thinking about switching to something more effective as WF and combining it with GreenMAG.. would that be something intelligent to do ?

[naturalguy]

The best pre workout for me is ANIMAL PUMP is a great supplement
I take 20' before the training
for all my training
I'm reaching the maximum pumping
:)

Glad you like it. Animal Pump is in a class of it's own, very unique from other pre-workout formulas. When you want something instead of just being stimmed out and want real performance and strength benefits then Animal Pump is for you.

In addition it supplies your creatine for the day (no need to buy another supplement) and it is the ONLY supplement on the market that gives you the option to leave out the stims (all contained in a single red pill).

[Hardnutcheck]

Purus Labs- Muscle Marinade

[Jeph77]

awesome to hear. the new fruit punch white flood hits the bb.com store in less than 2 weeks :eek:

!!!!!!!!!!! whattttttttttttt !!!!! brb getting it once it comes out.

[msc522]

Started with NO explode, which destroyed my stomach...couldn't deal with that.

After that I went to Jack3d. Think I went through at least 3 containers of that. I think it's a really good product, it's reasonably priced. I definitely built up a tolerance so containers started going quicker the longer I used it. Go with the Lemon lime flavor, fruit punch is pretty terrible. Focus was good, not much of a crash. Really good workouts, I'd definitely recommend it.

After a few containers of Jack3d I decided to give NO Shotgun a try, definitely my new favorite. Again it's reasonably priced, the focus is even better than what I got with Jack3d. I've been using it for close to a month now and I haven't noticed much of a tolerance. Each scoop contains 16g of protein which is something I haven't found in any other pre workouts.

The best advice I can give on the pre workouts is to keep looking around. Each time I've switched I've been happy with my new choice. I'll probably stick with shotgun for a while, then maybe give Whiteflood a try?

[YANGSHIM]

lol
i like optimum

[ricohitman]

White Flood Fruit Punch=BEST.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So far, I've tried SP250 & Dymatize Xpand Xtreme Pump. If I had to rate both
SP250 = 7, focus was there and energy too..but i had no pumps even with 2scoops
Xpand = 9, alot of pumps but it went away fast

I'm thinking about switching to something more effective as WF and combining it with GreenMAG.. would that be something intelligent to do ?
yes, green magnitude and white flood is a very popular combo :)

!!!!!!!!!!! whattttttttttttt !!!!! brb getting it once it comes out.yup. just went up today:

that's right, all sizes (100 serving, 50 serving and the all new 20 serving) of furious fruit punch flavor are now on bb.com. the 20 serving is only $14.99 :eek:

the feedback on the new flavor says its our best one yet and the best tasting preworkout supplement on the market.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs444.ash1/24507_672360442371_25004172_38161717_5395062_n.jpg


White Flood Fruit Punch=BEST.
that is the word on the street :D

[gregorystacey]

I just got a tub of Jack3d from a Vitamin Shoppe for $25. The pumps arent great but the energy is ridiculous! I think that it's the combination of caffeine and 1,3 Dimethylamyline. You see that same combo in OxyElite Pro and Adrenalean which are both very highly rated on BB.com. I'm thinking of getting some straight 1,3 Di and caffeine and just going with that for energy and doing a cheap Mono on my own. Definitely give Jack3d a try if you haven't yet. It might not be your favorite but you're definitely not throwing money in the toilet either.

Gregory Stacey

[05impalaSS]

yes, green magnitude and white flood is a very popular combo :)
yup. just went up today:

that's right, all sizes (100 serving, 50 serving and the all new 20 serving) of furious fruit punch flavor are now on bb.com. the 20 serving is only $14.99 :eek:

the feedback on the new flavor says its our best one yet and the best tasting preworkout supplement on the market.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs444.ash1/24507_672360442371_25004172_38161717_5395062_n.jpg


that is the word on the street :D

Looks like ima have to get the FP after my EL is finished.. Its about time CL!

[Busch12]

After going through a tub of jack3d (not even finishing because I was so excited to try something new) it started off great at first. Tremendous amounts of energy, not a bad taste, and a pretty descent pump. About halfway through the tub though it seems like it had lost all of its effects. :*( But that's all in the past now.

Muscle Marinade: Purus Punch by Purus Labs is simply AMAZING. Too me it feels nothing like jack3d, it is completely different. When I take it and hit the gym I feel like I'm in a trance almost, it gives me so much focus it's crazy. Yes it ups the energy also, but I don't really notice the energy as much as I did with jack3d, it feels like a much cleaner energy, like I am there to do what I came to do, not bounce off the walls. Pumps are quite good also.

The stuff tastes like piss though. BUT who cares, gulp that **** down and hit the gym, you won't care about the taste about twenty minutes after.

One of the best things is I got 27 servings (You only take ONE serving at a time, NOT TWO or THREE ever) and it was only 33 bucks. Can't beat that.

9.987897354/10 cuz nothins perfect

[hiimvik]

i find that every new pre workout drink i try, its better then the old. I went from nano(which i thought was amazing) to superpump(again amazing) and now jack( lol also amazing), after a while ill try shotgun. I guess you just keep chaging ur pre workout around, and you should have wicked pumps, but oone thing is for sure, these supps definitely help.

[Jeph77]

upset i just made an order like 3 days ago , and now i gotta make another for FP WF !

[maverickTT1]

presurge unleashed.

[rockeo]

Universals "Shock Therapy, Blue Razz flavor"
Pure Clean Healthy Goodness of Solid Gains :D

[CarpeDiem89]

My vote goes to PreSurge Unleashed :D

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

presurge unleashed.


My vote goes to PreSurge Unleashed :D

And it should be back in stock on bb.com, late next week, early following.

PreSurge Unleashed reviews
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge

Is PreSurge Unleashed worth trying- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge


It's really different from any other preWO product for many reasons, just a few below:

1. Creapure brand creatine, not generic monohydrate
2. First and only product to contain the exact research backed russian tarragon extract for dramatic muscle creatine uptake
3. Only preWO product I'm aware of containing Neuravena for neurological function
4. Clinically backed glyocarn and 40% icarrin for NO, no arginine
5. Patented suntheanine brand l-theanine for stimulating alpha waves in the brain and offsetting much of caffeine's negative side affects
6. No sugar and only two carbs, which is why the serving size is small

Its these ingredients and more that make PreSurge Unleashed feel so different from ANY other preWO formula in the market today. Its a no compromise, cutting edge formula, at an incredibly low price.

[Chriskemp91]

Superpump 250 definitely put a number on my stomach. Strangely this only started to happen when I was at the bottom of it, I got like 2 scoops left that I'm going to take then I think I'm going to try nano vapor, black powder, or white flood...

[troymkennedy]

What is the BCAA and EAA content of presurge unleashed?



And it should be back in stock on bb.com, late next week, early following.

PreSurge Unleashed reviews
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge

Is PreSurge Unleashed worth trying- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=presurge


It's really different from any other preWO product for many reasons, just a few below:

1. Creapure brand creatine, not generic monohydrate
2. First and only product to contain the exact research backed russian tarragon extract for dramatic muscle creatine uptake
3. Only preWO product I'm aware of containing Neuravena for neurological function
4. Clinically backed glyocarn and 40% icarrin for NO, no arginine
5. Patented suntheanine brand l-theanine for stimulating alpha waves in the brain and offsetting much of caffeine's negative side affects
6. No sugar and only two carbs, which is why the serving size is small

Its these ingredients and more that make PreSurge Unleashed feel so different from ANY other preWO formula in the market today. Its a no compromise, cutting edge formula, at an incredibly low price.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Superpump 250 definitely put a number on my stomach. Strangely this only started to happen when I was at the bottom of it, I got like 2 scoops left that I'm going to take then I think I'm going to try nano vapor, black powder, or white flood...

try white flood for sure, only $13.50 after the 10% coupon:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

[ampfranklin92]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

There is only one pre workout supplement for me, BSN NO Explode Grape. I love this stuff it give me the crazy energy, intensity, and pump that I need to push through a grulling workout. Taste good enough and kicks in fast.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

What is the BCAA and EAA content of presurge unleashed?

Zero. It is our product IntrAbolic that has the peptides/ffEAAs

[Bryan_0025]

I would have to recommended the new Blue Raspberry Serum from Magnum Nutraceuticals. I had used BSN NO Xplode prior to this and just yesterday I had a killer Core Session and I found that Serum kept me "in the zone" for the whole 2 hours I was there and it gave the extra boost to get the most out of my workout, plus that little extra.

Here's a link to check it out:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/magnum/serum.html

[j2smile]

Zero. It is our product IntrAbolic that has the peptides/ffEAAs

how much creatine per scoop? presurge unleash.

Love this stuff!!!!!

[Dibatista]

yes, green magnitude and white flood is a very popular combo :)
yup. just went up today:

that's right, all sizes (100 serving, 50 serving and the all new 20 serving) of furious fruit punch flavor are now on bb.com. the 20 serving is only $14.99 :eek:

the feedback on the new flavor says its our best one yet and the best tasting preworkout supplement on the market.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs444.ash1/24507_672360442371_25004172_38161717_5395062_n.jpg https://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif


that is the word on the street :D


Thanks for the info sir, I'll have to give this new flavor a try

[eekrodg]

Cellucor m5 stacked with no n-zero
or
no-nzero-leaning out

[j2smile]

I tried Jack3d,whiteflood,super pump250 and presurge unleash.

They all great no doubt.

I think The best preworkout is PRESURGE UNLEASH you got to try it to believe.
5 days Im taking this 2 insane hour of workout.

[fischetti]

White Flood or Superpump 250 either way you cant go far wrong.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Thanks for the info sir, I'll have to give this new flavor a try
my pleasure. you can get it from bb.com for $13.50 for the 20 serving size :eek:

White Flood or Superpump 250 either way you cant go far wrong.

have you tried the new fruit punch yet? Australia will be bringing it in

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

how much creatine per scoop? presurge unleash.

Love this stuff!!!!!

Approximately 1.5g per scoop. Also take into account the russian tarragon extract for muscle creatine uptake. It will be back in stock at bb.com early/mid next week. :)

[JADAMS0214]

Approximately 1.5g per scoop. Also take into account the russian tarragon extract for muscle creatine uptake. It will be back in stock at bb.com early/mid next week. :)

After many years,I just started working out again for about 3 months now. I have tried 3 different pre-work out blends. I just picked up a tub of Pre-Surge Unleashed from The Vitamin Shoppe. Would have bought it here but it is on back order. Anyway, I have used it 4 times now and all I can say is wow. It is very different from other things I have tried. I like it, a lot! Anyway, thank's for answering one of my questions because I couldn't figure out how many grams of creatine were in each scoop. I am doing two scoops at a time right now. So I am getting 3 grams of creatine with this product. I have read that 5-10 grams of creatine everyday is what you should be taking. How true is this? Should I be taking some more creatine post workout as well? And when taking one form of creatine, does it matter if you mix them? Like Creapure pre-workout and Kre-Alkalyn post? Thanks.

[primestacks]

Well I finished my WF and I really liked it. Good taste, good energy, and insane pumps however, the energy gave me the gitters, I crashed afterwards and it left an awful after taste in my mouth for literally the rest of the day.

I tried PreSurge Unleashed for the first time today and all I can say is WOW!!! The energy and focus is just ridiculous. I didn't want to stop. Set after set and I still wanted more. The energy is so much more "pure" would be the word of choice. WF is a great product but compared to PreSurge unleashed it's like night and day. I'm amazed...

[WayanWiednya22]

You have to try Syn-Tec's Napalm...

It only includes ingredients that work and at high volumes, check out the ingredient list:

Active Ingredients:
Per 50g Serve:

Protein (inc Amino Acids) 18.5g
Dextrose Monohydrate 25.7g
Creatine Monohydrate 5000mg
L-Glutamine 2000mg
Taurine 1500mg
Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG) 1500mg
L-Leucine 1500mg
L-Isoleucine 750mg
L-Valine 750mg
L-Citrulline 500mg
Beta Alanine 3000mg
L- Tyrosine 2000mg
Caffeine 150mg
Bioperine 5mg
Vitamin B1 1.1mg
Vitamin B2 1.7mg
Niacinamide (Vit B3) 10mg
Vitamin B5 1.7mg
Vitamin B6 1.6mg
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 40mg

Under $100 online.. Just look up Syn-Tec Online...

[stephenjack3d]

no xplode fruit punch foshow

[Peter LeDrew]

presurge unleash.

Love this stuff!!!!!


presurge unleashed.


My vote goes to PreSurge Unleashed :D


I tried Jack3d,whiteflood,super pump250 and presurge unleash.

They all great no doubt.

I think The best preworkout is PRESURGE UNLEASH you got to try it to believe.
5 days Im taking this 2 insane hour of workout.


After many years,I just started working out again for about 3 months now. I have tried 3 different pre-work out blends. I just picked up a tub of Pre-Surge Unleashed from The Vitamin Shoppe. Would have bought it here but it is on back order. Anyway, I have used it 4 times now and all I can say is wow. It is very different from other things I have tried. I like it, a lot!


Well I finished my WF and I really liked it. Good taste, good energy, and insane pumps however, the energy gave me the gitters, I crashed afterwards and it left an awful after taste in my mouth for literally the rest of the day.

I tried PreSurge Unleashed for the first time today and all I can say is WOW!!! The energy and focus is just ridiculous. I didn't want to stop. Set after set and I still wanted more. The energy is so much more "pure" would be the word of choice. WF is a great product but compared to PreSurge unleashed it's like night and day. I'm amazed...



Agreed!

PreSurge Unleashed is the real deal!

[F_T_K]

Can you mix Jack3d and Green Mag? i know you take both of these supps pre work out.. wondering if insted of combining White flood with green mag, would it make sense to replace the white flood with jack3d???? or is that stupid?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Well I finished my WF and I really liked it. Good taste, good energy, and insane pumps however, the energy gave me the gitters, I crashed afterwards and it left an awful after taste in my mouth for literally the rest of the day.

which flavor wf? the new fruit punch is amazing and you can get it for $13.50 from bb.com :eek:

Can you mix Jack3d and Green Mag? i know you take both of these supps pre work out.. wondering if insted of combining White flood with green mag, would it make sense to replace the white flood with jack3d???? or is that stupid?

you can do it, wouldnt make sense though as green mag stacks best with white flood

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

I tried Jack3d,whiteflood,super pump250 and presurge unleash.

They all great no doubt.

I think The best preworkout is PRESURGE UNLEASH you got to try it to believe.
5 days Im taking this 2 insane hour of workout.

Thanks for the feedback!


After many years,I just started working out again for about 3 months now. I have tried 3 different pre-work out blends. I just picked up a tub of Pre-Surge Unleashed from The Vitamin Shoppe. Would have bought it here but it is on back order. Anyway, I have used it 4 times now and all I can say is wow. It is very different from other things I have tried. I like it, a lot! Anyway, thank's for answering one of my questions because I couldn't figure out how many grams of creatine were in each scoop. I am doing two scoops at a time right now. So I am getting 3 grams of creatine with this product. I have read that 5-10 grams of creatine everyday is what you should be taking. How true is this? Should I be taking some more creatine post workout as well? And when taking one form of creatine, does it matter if you mix them? Like Creapure pre-workout and Kre-Alkalyn post? Thanks.

It's truely an product that must be experienced to fully understand why its getting the feedback it is.

bb.com will have it back in stock this week and so will vitaminshoppe's around the country.

Actually 2.5-3g of creatine a day is plenty. And when you take into account the russian tarragon extract we use(only found in PreSurge) for muscle creatine uptake, you really don't need an additional source of creatine.

If you are taking PSU 4-5x a week, no extra creatine is needed. If you are taking it say, 2-3x a week, I would take an additional source of creatine for 2-3 off days.

It does not matter if you mix different forms, but creapure brand creatine monohydrate is what we have always recommended.


Well I finished my WF and I really liked it. Good taste, good energy, and insane pumps however, the energy gave me the gitters, I crashed afterwards and it left an awful after taste in my mouth for literally the rest of the day.

I tried PreSurge Unleashed for the first time today and all I can say is WOW!!! The energy and focus is just ridiculous. I didn't want to stop. Set after set and I still wanted more. The energy is so much more "pure" would be the word of choice. WF is a great product but compared to PreSurge unleashed it's like night and day. I'm amazed...

People have often used the word "Zen like" to describe the energy/focus feeling PreSurge Unleashed brings about. Its incredibly strong, yet smooth. It doesn't hit you at rest, like a big load of caffeine does but when you get into your workout, the energy/intensity/focus is like NO other preWO. Not to mention all the great other aspects of it:

1. Doesn't use arginine but patented, clinically backed GlyocCarn for NO
2. No generic creatine monohydrate but licenced creapure brand
3. Only product to use the research backed russian tarragon extract for muscle creatine uptake
4. Patented l-theanine, which is one of the reasons people don't crash from the stims and also one reason why it feels so different.
5. Neuravena, which PreSurge is the only preWO product to contain.

All this for $30 and 45 servings.

The list goes on.

[MissUK2010]

Agreed!

PreSurge Unleashed is the real deal! http://www.technovee.com/fs/images/small1

Are any of these safe for women to take?

[JDurden11]

taking it a step further than just loving PreSurge or Jack3d, or naming either one your favorite pre-workout supplement..

taking cost into account, you need 2 or 3 bottles of either supplement (depending on how many scoops you use) to match the quantity of White Flood. with that in mind, do people that prefer PreSurge or Jack3d think that it's worth the additional $15-$40?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

taking cost into account, you need 2 or 3 bottles of either supplement (depending on how many scoops you use) to match the quantity of White Flood. with that in mind, do people that prefer PreSurge or Jack3d think that it's worth the additional $15-$40?

very good point :)

white flood is 100 servings for 40 bucks, so only 40 cents per serving which is a 67% difference in cost per serving. you can also get free sample or try our mini tub for only $13.50 from bb.com. price aside white flood has amazing feedback, "quality checked" icon status from bb.com, great taste and does not use 1,3 dimeth.

[JDurden11]

very good point :)

white flood is 100 servings for 40 bucks, so only 40 cents per serving which is a 67% difference in cost per serving. you can also get free sample or try our mini tub for only $13.50 from bb.com. price aside white flood has amazing feedback, "quality checked" icon status from bb.com, great taste and does not use 1,3 dimeth.

so do people think PreSurge or Jack3d is worth the extra cost?

[JADAMS0214]

so do people think PreSurge or Jack3d is worth the extra cost?

Don't know. Just got off of Jack3d and am now on PreSurge Unleashed. After I am done with that, I will try Whiteflood and give my humble opinion.

[JohnnyCanuck]

Here's the Preworkouts I've used.

Superpump 250
Jack3d
NO-Xplode
NO-Shotgun
White Flood
Dymatize Xpand
Bulldose
Musclepharm Assault
A few more I can't remember, mostly because they are not worth it.

The ones I definitely would recommend to anybody are Superpump, Jack3d, NO-Shotgun, and Musclepharm Assault. All gave me consistently great workouts with great results.

Assault has been unreal lately and I strongly recommend people give it a shot.

[maverickTT1]

so do people think PreSurge or Jack3d is worth the extra cost?

PSU is.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

PSU is.

PreSurge Unleashed is .66 cents per serving. Most take 1-2 servings per workout 66-1.32 per workout, not exactly breaking the bank. When you take into account all the licenced patented ingredients used, cutting edge formula, amazing feedback, it offers exceptional value. Is is not the cheapest, but it uses the best forms of ingredients/not generic, unsurpassed formula and still is very affordable.

Honestly if .66-1.32(less than most bottled water) per workout is breaking the bank, I wouldn't be spending my money on supplements or suggest anyone in that position to do so.

[maverickTT1]

PreSurge Unleashed is .66 cents per serving. Most take 1-2 servings per workout 66-1.32 per workout, not exactly breaking the bank. When you take into account all the licenced patented ingredients used, cutting edge formula, amazing feedback, it offers exceptional value. Is is not the cheapest, but it uses the best forms of ingredients/not generic, unsurpassed formula and still is very affordable.

Honestly if .66-1.32(less than most bottled water) per workout is breaking the bank, I wouldn't be spending my money on supplements or suggest anyone in that position to do so.

x2. PreSurge Unleashed is the best supplement that I have ever tried. Its worth every cent.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Don't know. Just got off of Jack3d and am now on PreSurge Unleashed. After I am done with that, I will try Whiteflood and give my humble opinion.
looking forward to your opinion on white flood, also good to stay away from 1,3 dimeth ;)

Here's the Preworkouts I've used.

Superpump 250
Jack3d
NO-Xplode
NO-Shotgun
White Flood
Dymatize Xpand
Bulldose
Musclepharm Assault
A few more I can't remember, mostly because they are not worth it.

The ones I definitely would recommend to anybody are Superpump, Jack3d, NO-Shotgun, and Musclepharm Assault. All gave me consistently great workouts with great results.

Assault has been unreal lately and I strongly recommend people give it a shot.

try a free sample of white flood fruit punch via the link in my signature below :)

[JamesGatz83]

looking forward to your opinion on white flood, also good to stay away from 1,3 dimeth ;)



Why should you stay away from 1,3 dimeth?

[emperortt]

Why should you stay away from 1,3 dimeth?

because it causes ED.
there are many users complained about er.disfunction here in the forum

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

x2. PreSurge Unleashed is the best supplement that I have ever tried. Its worth every cent.

The customer rating is very solid 9.7- http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ae/pre-surge-unleashed.html

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Why should you stay away from 1,3 dimeth?


because it causes ED.
there are many users complained about er.disfunction here in the forum

there are many potential issues from many different directions and there is a thread recently about the fda looking into it very closely

[BeerForProtein]

Is the PreSurge Unleashed a new product? i have been searching for my first supplement to use and i can't really decide since I don't want to go wrong with the choice. i thought i should try out jack3d but im not so sure about the effects

[LeanedOut]

jack3d

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Is the PreSurge Unleashed a new product? i have been searching for my first supplement to use and i can't really decide since I don't want to go wrong with the choice. i thought i should try out jack3d but im not so sure about the effects

Been out for about 4-6 weeks but been hard to find due to large demand and back orders.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ae/pre-surge-unleashed.html

[troymkennedy]

Been out for about 4-6 weeks but been hard to find due to large demand and back orders.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ae/pre-surge-unleashed.html

Woo! Just got my order in for PSU and Intrabolic. Really looking forward to trying it next week!

[Tank3870]

The hard part about picking one is my body gets used to the formula and I no longer get a pump from the product. But if I had to only pick one I would say SuperPump 250, because by far I get the best pump from that product.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Woo! Just got my order in for PSU and Intrabolic. Really looking forward to trying it next week!

You won't be disappointed, add in IntraXCell and you're on our full stack.

[jboyle92]

okay the two no products ive tried so far....both awesome products
Superpump tastes better, ive tried several flavours. no xplode has a good grape flavor, the lemon lime isnt very good though.
no xplode all in all gets me more hyped up, maybe a placebo effect because its ranked #1 for a few years in a row on this site...
i personally think no xplode is much more hardcore because it blows my shaker cup up and goes everywhere whilst the superpump never blew up in the same shaker cup.
Could no xplode be forming nitric oxide in gas form? or is it something else...
i also have sample of hemorush and redline will post if anything significant happens.
So theres my biased opinion...

[hiimvik]

Nano vapor - My first prodect, didn't really know what to expect, i had good pumps, but about 1.30hr into thw workout, the CRASH came. And all you wanted to do was go to bed. It wrked out for me, cuz i finish wrkout around 9ish.
Pump - 8/10 Energy - 8/10 Overall good product!

Superpump 250 - i had big expectations, and it lived up to it most of the time. There were some days where i didnt feel as good of a pump as before - but very rare did that happen. No crash with this product.
Pump - 8.5/10 Energy - 8/10

Jack3d - With all the great revies, i had to get it, and i was rdy for the best wrkouts of my life, i took it today(been taking it for about 3 weeks now), and went all out!!! People were staring at me like wtf is he on. It was amazing!!! Great focus, Great pump. I dont think you can go wrong with this product.
Pump - 9.5/10 Energy/focus 9.5/10

Pre-surge is on order, should arrive in a week or so, hopefully it lives up to its name!IM sure it will.

How do i get the best out of this products?
Follow simple directions - Eat an hour before you take any of them(not too much,small meal). Your body should be empty and rdy to digest the supplement. give it 30-45 minutes to kick in. around 40 wrks for me. Do whatever it takes to pump the body up and get rdy to push!!!! I always aim to be the hardest wrking guy there, simple. Zone out, and release the stress.

I forgot to add Taste - Honestly, the taste of any supplement is never a concern to me, unless it tastes soo bad that its impossible to drink, so far none of these products have been that bad.

[thomasDB]

Lemon/lime for jack3d ?


Nano vapor - My first prodect, didn't really know what to expect, i had good pumps, but about 1.30hr into thw workout, the CRASH came. And all you wanted to do was go to bed. It wrked out for me, cuz i finish wrkout around 9ish.
Pump - 8/10 Energy - 8/10 Overall good product!

Superpump 250 - i had big expectations, and it lived up to it most of the time. There were some days where i didnt feel as good of a pump as before - but very rare did that happen. No crash with this product.
Pump - 8.5/10 Energy - 8/10

Jack3d - With all the great revies, i had to get it, and i was rdy for the best wrkouts of my life, i took it today(been taking it for about 3 weeks now), and went all out!!! People were staring at me like wtf is he on. It was amazing!!! Great focus, Great pump. I dont think you can go wrong with this product.
Pump - 9.5/10 Energy/focus 9.5/10

Pre-surge is on order, should arrive in a week or so, hopefully it lives up to its name!IM sure it will.

How do i get the best out of this products?
Follow simple directions - Eat an hour before you take any of them(not too much,small meal). Your body should be empty and rdy to digest the supplement. give it 30-45 minutes to kick in. around 40 wrks for me. Do whatever it takes to pump the body up and get rdy to push!!!! I always aim to be the hardest wrking guy there, simple. Zone out, and release the stress.

I forgot to add Taste - Honestly, the taste of any supplement is never a concern to me, unless it tastes soo bad that its impossible to drink, so far none of these products have been that bad.

[Questing2Gain]

Currently loggin NO bomb and Dark rage...come check it out! good so far! day 1 down!

[azhd853]

I've tried NOXplode, Bulnox (which has test. in it), Jack3d, white flood, and a few others.

I will never use anything other than Jack3d again. Hands down the best.

[naturalguy]

Universals "Shock Therapy, Blue Razz flavor"
Pure Clean Healthy Goodness of Solid Gains :D

Definitely a great flavor and Shock Therapy is a kick a** formula and THE best value.

[r_french]

I really like taking Neogenix Bodyforge with some of their Velocity XT. That way i can control the amount of stims.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Nano vapor - My first prodect, didn't really know what to expect, i had good pumps, but about 1.30hr into thw workout, the CRASH came. And all you wanted to do was go to bed. It wrked out for me, cuz i finish wrkout around 9ish.
Pump - 8/10 Energy - 8/10 Overall good product!

Superpump 250 - i had big expectations, and it lived up to it most of the time. There were some days where i didnt feel as good of a pump as before - but very rare did that happen. No crash with this product.
Pump - 8.5/10 Energy - 8/10

Jack3d - With all the great revies, i had to get it, and i was rdy for the best wrkouts of my life, i took it today(been taking it for about 3 weeks now), and went all out!!! People were staring at me like wtf is he on. It was amazing!!! Great focus, Great pump. I dont think you can go wrong with this product.
Pump - 9.5/10 Energy/focus 9.5/10

Pre-surge is on order, should arrive in a week or so, hopefully it lives up to its name!IM sure it will.

How do i get the best out of this products?
Follow simple directions - Eat an hour before you take any of them(not too much,small meal). Your body should be empty and rdy to digest the supplement. give it 30-45 minutes to kick in. around 40 wrks for me. Do whatever it takes to pump the body up and get rdy to push!!!! I always aim to be the hardest wrking guy there, simple. Zone out, and release the stress.

I forgot to add Taste - Honestly, the taste of any supplement is never a concern to me, unless it tastes soo bad that its impossible to drink, so far none of these products have been that bad.
why not try a free sample of white flood via the link in my signature below ? :)

[knicks226]

taking it a step further than just loving PreSurge or Jack3d, or naming either one your favorite pre-workout supplement..

taking cost into account, you need 2 or 3 bottles of either supplement (depending on how many scoops you use) to match the quantity of White Flood. with that in mind, do people that prefer PreSurge or Jack3d think that it's worth the additional $15-$40?

white flood doesn't have creatine but adding it is still much cheaper...i was wondering the same thing

[CONTROLLED LABS]

white flood doesn't have creatine but adding it is still much cheaper...i was wondering the same thing

very true, the cost per serving is VERY affordable :)

[Titleist09]

Quick question.... I'm looking to order either Controlled Labs GlycerGrow or White Flood and I am wondering what the differences are between the two?

[bloodsimple1234]

Here's the Preworkouts I've used.

Superpump 250
Jack3d
NO-Xplode
NO-Shotgun
White Flood
Dymatize Xpand
Bulldose
Musclepharm Assault
A few more I can't remember, mostly because they are not worth it.

The ones I definitely would recommend to anybody are Superpump, Jack3d, NO-Shotgun, and Musclepharm Assault. All gave me consistently great workouts with great results.

Assault has been unreal lately and I strongly recommend people give it a shot.

is that the new formula of Xpand xtreme pump? because the feedback on that is off the charts! very solid formula!!

[kodyt21]

Has anyone tried "Fierce" (Heart of a Lion lol) ??
I went threw one tub of fierce heart of a lion and it was suprisingly good!..taste fine i had orange..pumps were bout 7/10 ..energy 10/10...focus 9/10..also got very vascular "I was also on a 5% bf cut " which might had something to do with the vascularity but I am 6'3 195 and I took 1 scoop for 3 weeks then upped to 2 scoops tolerance never rose any higher than 2 scoops always worked for me..plus 50 servings for 40 45 bucks I think I spent not bad at all!

hope that helps out!

[scottielewks]

presurge unleashed

[G0ldenState]

Jack3d is working well for me. Thinking about switching to White Flood because of the constant reviews and the profile looks good.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Quick question.... I'm looking to order either Controlled Labs GlycerGrow or White Flood and I am wondering what the differences are between the two?
they are very different and can be stacked. what are you looking for? that would help us out in answering

Jack3d is working well for me. Thinking about switching to White Flood because of the constant reviews and the profile looks good.

give it a shot, def a better value per serving than most out there. you can try the new fruit punch for only $13.50 for the 20 serving tub :)

[Trank]

has anyone ever tried adhemo rush?

[hodong6389]

viagra is by far the best pre-work out, i like to stack it with amplified n.o. loaded

[JDN_79]

no one likes nano vapor?

[samgrr]

Gotta be Levrone Formula at this point. It has the most of the active ingredient, the least crap, and you know exactly what you're putting in your body, which should matter to us.

One thing else I noticed, SuperPump and NoXplode list more servings, but then when you read the fine print it says take 1-3 servings. We all wind up taking three and then the product winds up having a third of the advertised "servings." Levrone Formula, to my knowledge, indicates one level scoop every time, no more, no less. My sense is this is an honest maxed-out dose, no marketing bull****. So, really you're getting more servings with Levrone Formula for the money. I bet the other supps do the 1-3 scoop thing so they can pitch # of servings as more to make the value seem better.

Nonetheless, Levrone Formula gave me a smooth buzz and huge pump that made me want to train for hours. All the other ones made me speedy and kept me up at night, so Levrone Formula wins.

[PJR23]

Jack3d is working well for me. Thinking about switching to White Flood because of the constant reviews and the profile looks good.

Just tried Jack3d today. First workout was good. I really like that it does not have all the extra calories and crap in there. So far i recommend, more to come.

[Ironjon84]

strong post counts on the couple of posts above me...


I have tried a number of different pre workout products. I was lucky enough to get samples of Superpump 250, noxlpode nt, quake 10.0, nanovapor, jack3d, monster pump, hydravol, etc etc at the Arnold this year. I also have previously purchased Optimum's preworkout, NO Shotgun, Dymatize Xpand Xtreme Pump, Shock Therapy, Animal Pump, etc. That being said I am using Presurge Unleashed currently and feel it is one of the best I have used.

[PJR23]

strong post counts on the couple of posts above me...


I have tried a number of different pre workout products. I was lucky enough to get samples of Superpump 250, noxlpode nt, quake 10.0, nanovapor, jack3d, monster pump, hydravol, etc etc at the Arnold this year. I also have previously purchased Optimum's preworkout, NO Shotgun, Dymatize Xpand Xtreme Pump, Shock Therapy, Animal Pump, etc. That being said I am using Presurge Unleashed currently and feel it is one of the best I have used.

Will have to try that for sure, Thanks for the tip

[juggies]

no one likes nano vapor?

No. Muscletech is a joke.

[jerryleephoto]

If you had to pick just ONE pre-workout product for energy and/or pump, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take pre-workout products, if you should take pre-workout products, or why some pre-workout products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite pre-workout product and give your detailed reason.)

there is only one

Jack3D

It is the best Pre-workout I have ever taken and Ive taken just about all of them.

I love this stuff i don't workout with out it. It pumps me up quick and i stay pumped for hours.
My workouts have gotten more intense. Just and example A month ago i was failing out after 5 reps of flat Dumbbell press with 80lbs. And last week i put up the 100's 7 times on my last set. Now I don't know if the Jack3D is what's doing it all I do know is I'm getting stronger.

[SwolenONE]

Plasmatic alongside vengeance would be beyond amazing

[JHICKS3301]

Plasmatic alongside vengeance would be beyond amazing

may have to try this combo..

[itsgroll]

scivation's vasocharge...thats all i have to say :)

[PJR23]

Just tried Jack3d today. First workout was good. I really like that it does not have all the extra calories and crap in there. So far i recommend, more to come.

3rd training session with Jack3d and I still like it. I feel like it is giving me that extra edge still. Can't overemhpasize how much I appreciate it not having all the junk and still doing the job.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

3rd training session with Jack3d and I still like it. I feel like it is giving me that extra edge still. Can't overemhpasize how much I appreciate it not having all the junk and still doing the job.

have you tried a free sample of white flood fruit punch? link in my signature below for it. would love to hear your comparison :)

[B1GinNY82307]

presurge unleashed

:cool:


strong post counts on the couple of posts above me...


I have tried a number of different pre workout products. I was lucky enough to get samples of Superpump 250, noxlpode nt, quake 10.0, nanovapor, jack3d, monster pump, hydravol, etc etc at the Arnold this year. I also have previously purchased Optimum's preworkout, NO Shotgun, Dymatize Xpand Xtreme Pump, Shock Therapy, Animal Pump, etc. That being said I am using Presurge Unleashed currently and feel it is one of the best I have used.

We have been getting tons of feedback such as yours. Thanks for the words and support!

[drummerz_r_us]

I've tried tons of pre-workout supps since lets be honest, who couldn't use a boost of energy & motivation before a grueling workout? I've tried the likes of NO Shotgun, Armageddon, N.O. xplode, nano vapour, animal pump, Super pump, White flood, Jack3d and MP assault. All of them offer good workouts for the most part, some offer stomach issues, some offer better pumps but lack the energy...but I would have to give the nod to Muscle Pharm Assault. I've been through an entire tub now and have another one on its way. I get great pumps where my muscles feel rock hard and bulging, and the energy is there. The focus I get on the stuff is amazing as well, I want to just destroy the weights. It says on the bottle that it gets better with use, which usually proves complete BS but this one seems to do it. I've been having better workouts and really upping my weights lately.
I will say that supplements work different for everyone, but for me this gets my approval 100%.

[JonHanson21]

I just got done using nano vapor. I liked it a lot, it help me increase strength, it gave me good energy and focus, and good pumps. I did not get any headaches, or have any stomache problems. However I did get used to it and after a few weeks I was talking 3 scoops, and not getting the same pump as before. I just ordered some dark rage. I am going to try this next after a week off of using a pre workout sup. Has anyone tried Dark Rage? And what do you think of it?

[little rambo]

I've tried tons of pre-workout supps since lets be honest, who couldn't use a boost of energy & motivation before a grueling workout? I've tried the likes of NO Shotgun, Armageddon, N.O. xplode, nano vapour, animal pump, Super pump, White flood, Jack3d and MP assault. All of them offer good workouts for the most part, some offer stomach issues, some offer better pumps but lack the energy...but I would have to give the nod to Muscle Pharm Assault. I've been through an entire tub now and have another one on its way. I get great pumps where my muscles feel rock hard and bulging, and the energy is there. The focus I get on the stuff is amazing as well, I want to just destroy the weights. It says on the bottle that it gets better with use, which usually proves complete BS but this one seems to do it. I've been having better workouts and really upping my weights lately.
I will say that supplements work different for everyone, but for me this gets my approval 100%.

Thanks brotha!! Seriously though...Assault is some serious stuff and I hate to say its the best because I rep for the company but no lie, it just flat out is!! This or SuperPump250 power me through my workouts. I do have to give a shout out to All Max's Muscle Prime though. A scoop and a half of that stuff really does do wonders!

[hiimvik]

Nano vapor - My first prodect, didn't really know what to expect, i had good pumps, but about 1.30hr into thw workout, the CRASH came. And all you wanted to do was go to bed. It wrked out for me, cuz i finish wrkout around 9ish.
Pump - 8/10 Energy - 8/10 Overall good product!

Superpump 250 - i had big expectations, and it lived up to it most of the time. There were some days where i didnt feel as good of a pump as before - but very rare did that happen. No crash with this product.
Pump - 8.5/10 Energy - 8/10

Jack3d - With all the great revies, i had to get it, and i was rdy for the best wrkouts of my life, i took it today(been taking it for about 3 weeks now), and went all out!!! People were staring at me like wtf is he on. It was amazing!!! Great focus, Great pump. I dont think you can go wrong with this product.
Pump - 9.5/10 Energy/focus 9.5/10

Pre-surge is on order, should arrive in a week or so, hopefully it lives up to its name!IM sure it will.

How do i get the best out of this products?
Follow simple directions - Eat an hour before you take any of them(not too much,small meal). Your body should be empty and rdy to digest the supplement. give it 30-45 minutes to kick in. around 40 wrks for me. Do whatever it takes to pump the body up and get rdy to push!!!! I always aim to be the hardest wrking guy there, simple. Zone out, and release the stress.

I forgot to add Taste - Honestly, the taste of any supplement is never a concern to me, unless it tastes soo bad that its impossible to drink, so far none of these products have been that bad.

Just an update here, i got my pre surge. It was my second day on it, it is by far the best pre supplement i have had, that being said, it is also the worst tasting supplement i have ever dad, no jokes, its nasty, but it works. Results over taste anyday! Just the energy was incredible, after doing 6 exercies of heavy back, i had the energy to do 1000reps of various abs exercises. I have never been able to do that, and it felt awesome. Once again, i owned the gym LOL

[BeerForProtein]

wow, all these different oppinions give me hard time choosing a pre workout sup, i would like to get a good product for a reasonable price, i will mainly use it for cutting to get in shape for the summer, i am underweight but i want to make my little abs to show for the summer so i guess the best oppinion would be white flood. do they sell it in UK?

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Just an update here, i got my pre surge. It was my second day on it, it is by far the best pre supplement i have had, that being said, it is also the worst tasting supplement i have ever dad, no jokes, its nasty, but it works. Results over taste anyday! Just the energy was incredible, after doing 6 exercies of heavy back, i had the energy to do 1000reps of various abs exercises. I have never been able to do that, and it felt awesome. Once again, i owned the gym LOL

Well, I'm glad you're ranking it at the top for affects ect. But, usually the flavor is really liked as well. How much water were you mixing with it? Feel free to PM me.

[rickdeleon]

Jack3d

[dh_biker]

No. Muscletech is a joke.

agreed. so much money spent on advertising and not enough developing good supplements.
that being said ive used no-xplode, white flood, NO-beta, jack3d (currently using). i think they are all good and all have had good effects. i find if i use any of them for more than a month or 2 their effects wear off. im looking forward to try the stim free omega ultima. has good reviews and havent tried a stim free before. just wish bb.com would ship it to canada

[joecseko]

There is only one pre workout supplement for me, BSN NO Explode Grape. I love this stuff it give me the crazy energy, intensity, and pump that I need to push through a grulling workout. Taste good enough and kicks in fast.

I've run the entire product list. A year ago I would have said Superpump 250 hands down. It was great. There is absolutely no way that stuff contains nearly as many of the ingredients (on the label or stuff that WASN'T on the label) as it did when it first came out. Less magnesium- bull****! There is NO way the magnesium made that stuff make you want to wreck the gym like it used to!

I've used NO Xplode, too. One of the things that I like about NO is that BSN adds the citrulline malate. That stuff is amazing, especially when combined with D-ribose! Now I just buy Primaforce CM and add it to the supplement that I'm using at the time. I still use SP 250 once in a while, but even after six months off of it, it still fails to deliver.

I'm a big proponent of the following (and I'm getting to the products): Peak ATP in a softgel, D-ribose; I use Now Foods brand, citrulline malate, and obviously a good whey protein (Designer by Next Proteins or Hydro Whey by Optimum).

I've started using IForce Maximize V2, and that stuff is amazing, thusfar. Flavor, not great, but extra water helps. The energy is OFF THE HOOK, and it's not just caffeine. Sure, there's a good dose, maybe more than the label claims, but it doesn't give me the jitters.

The NOS quality is still debatable, or should I say nominal. No bulging veins like popping a Viagra or something, but I think it may very well increase the pumps. Being that caffeine is first a vasodilator, then through the half life a vasoconstrictor, I like the fact that it's not loaded with it.

I did feel more focused. Nothing absolutely nuts, but it definitely improved the workout's quality, and duration. Now that I add the ribose and citrulline malate, I have to temper the volume that I'm willing to do. There have been plenty of days that I made a conscious decision to go home, rather than continue. Even on days of very heavy deadlifting, as well as some out of control leg sessions (as a powerlifter, I deadlift on back day).

So far, I like Maximize better than NO Xplode, today's Superpump, NO Shotgun, Jack3d, White Flood, Groloid (that **** isn't too bad). This is my opinion, and I've not gathered enough science on that supp to support the label claims. I WILL say, adding those other ingredients makes me feel unstoppable in the gym!

Hope this helps...

[ucsumma]

I've tried everything under the sun (Jack3d, NO-Xplode, SuperPump250, Xpand, 1MR, White Flood, etc. etc.) and I'm loving this new NL-Octrain stuff from No Limit Labs the best so far.

Check my full review (it's funny as hell, but I'm admittedly biased).

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=495484741

[Fawnother]

Whats up with the gaba in white flood?

[juggies]

Whats up with the gaba in white flood?

To shut down your brain before you start working out? We don't really know what the dosage is, other than it is significantly less than 1900mg. Same as any other prop formulas? To make the ingredient list look good?

[bill_n_opus]

agreed. so much money spent on advertising and not enough developing good supplements.
that being said ive used no-xplode, white flood, NO-beta, jack3d (currently using). i think they are all good and all have had good effects. i find if i use any of them for more than a month or 2 their effects wear off. im looking forward to try the stim free omega ultima. has good reviews and havent tried a stim free before. just wish bb.com would ship it to canada

If you are in the Lower Mainland/GVRD ... just get bb to ship it to Point Roberts or something (parcel acceptance company) and pick it up.

[1juggernaut]

I have tried every post work out supplement and my new favorite Massport by Infinite Labs. It amplifies anabolic signaling strength of any workout while expanding and solidifying every conceivable corner of muscle tissue to help you achieve maximum muscle adaptation, mass and strength gains. This stuff works and i would recommend it to anyone. Check it out at Infinitelabs dot com

[hugedeal]

Pre-Workout Supplements. So I have just started taking Juggernaut and it is the first pre-workout supplement that I have noticed that does more that a Red Bull does. First off, I can really feel it physically and mentally. I get this boost of drive and energy that allows me the mental capacity to push myself to the next rep when I usually stop. It's also extremely easy to drink. The taste is actually pretty good or at-least the punch one is. That is all I have tried. Also it eliminates a noticeable amount of soreness. I had previously took a week off when I started using this product and I was a so much less soar the next day. I also felt less burning sensation when I was actually lifting which allows me to lift more weight. That to me is everything a pre workout supplement should be.

[redsavage3]

wow, all these different oppinions give me hard time choosing a pre workout sup, i would like to get a good product for a reasonable price, i will mainly use it for cutting to get in shape for the summer, i am underweight but i want to make my little abs to show for the summer so i guess the best oppinion would be white flood. do they sell it in UK?

Yes mate but not really in shops have to buy online but nearly all next day service. I use Predator nutrition (not sure if im allowed to link to sites sorry first post not read all the rules if im not please delete)

They sell most of the stuff mentioned here so does powermyself. Have a google but those 2 sites id recommend in the UK.

Ive tried quite a few Jack3d, Black Powder, Superpump 250 , NO Explode, Presurge unleashed- Excellent pumps really felt this work. I really like White Flood prob my fav all rounder for energy and pump and price.

Havent seen the new one over here yet though.

WF is also good value.

Getting a bit fed up having to put 3 scoops in a lot of NO supps to feel something then realising that 45 servings is really 15.

Havent seen the new one over here yet though.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Whats up with the gaba in white flood?
its a neurotransmitter and helps deliver extra focus and energy enhancement

Yes mate but not really in shops have to buy online but nearly all next day service. I use Predator nutrition (not sure if im allowed to link to sites sorry first post not read all the rules if im not please delete)

They sell most of the stuff mentioned here so does powermyself. Have a google but those 2 sites id recommend in the UK.

Ive tried quite a few Jack3d, Black Powder, Superpump 250 , NO Explode, Presurge unleashed- Excellent pumps really felt this work. I really like White Flood prob my fav all rounder for energy and pump and price.

Havent seen the new one over here yet though.

WF is also good value.

Getting a bit fed up having to put 3 scoops in a lot of NO supps to feel something then realising that 45 servings is really 15.

Havent seen the new one over here yet though.
glad you like white flood so much. have you tried the new fruit punch yet?

[johnniehaddad]

I just about finished Jack3d and I was pretty satisfied with the way it made me feel, except I wanted to vomit every time I drank it because it tasted so bad, and didn't mix well at all. I tried Katalyst Vasocor today and it tasted good, didn't make me feel like my skin was going to come off, and I haven't had a better pump in a real long time. I as very satisfied with my workout with Vasocor.

[leedsjack93]

How does this stuff look?

Fitness Authority's Xtreme Detonator:

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 scoop (10.5 g)
Serving per container: 80
Calories 0
Carbohydrates <1 g 0%
Megnesium (Magnasium Chelate) 5 mg <2%

Anabolic Creatine Matrix 5000 mg
Tricreatine Matrix (TCM) Creatine Gluconate, Creatine Orotate, Creatine AKG)
Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE)
Creatine Monohydrate
Di-Creatine Malate


Xtreme Intrasulin 3750 mg
Beta Alanine
Arginine AKG
Alpha-Lipoic Acid
4-Hydroxyisoleucine (20%)

I'm on a budget, and the serving size of just one 10.5g scoop mean this would last me a lot longer than no-xplode or superpump 250.

[redsavage3]

glad you like white flood so much. have you tried the new fruit punch yet?

Not yet you need to get some samples over here to the UK :)

Ive not actually seen the new one at all over here at all. Ive been reading the reviews on here its looking very good.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Not yet you need to get some samples over here to the UK :)

Ive not actually seen the new one at all over here at all. Ive been reading the reviews on here its looking very good.

should be there very soon as its already shipped along with samples :)

[drop19]

Gotta be Levrone Formula at this point. It has the most of the active ingredient, the least crap, and you know exactly what you're putting in your body, which should matter to us.

One thing else I noticed, SuperPump and NoXplode list more servings, but then when you read the fine print it says take 1-3 servings. We all wind up taking three and then the product winds up having a third of the advertised "servings." Levrone Formula, to my knowledge, indicates one level scoop every time, no more, no less. My sense is this is an honest maxed-out dose, no marketing bull****. So, really you're getting more servings with Levrone Formula for the money. I bet the other supps do the 1-3 scoop thing so they can pitch # of servings as more to make the value seem better.

Nonetheless, Levrone Formula gave me a smooth buzz and huge pump that made me want to train for hours. All the other ones made me speedy and kept me up at night, so Levrone Formula wins.

x2. While Levrone Formula did not provide the euphoric buzz that I experienced with Ready 4 War or Redline, it produces a calm, focused energy and fantastic pump that will not cause burnout. A lot of the stim-heavy pre-workouts were amazing at first but led to decreased appetite, insomnia, and made me weaker in the long run. Levrone Formula gives me just the right amount of stimulation and a full blown pump. I highly recommend it.

[G-wood]

Tried WF for the first time yesterday for pre workout, it was excellent, great pump, focus, and tons of energy. Definitely had one of the best workouts I've had in a long time. Now I haven't tried all of these others such as jacked, but I have used N.O explode alot, and WF in my opinion not only a great value, but works great too. I bought the Fruit punch, tastes nice also

[989sports]

Animal Pump.

Currently taking out the stim pill and replacing it with a scoop of Jack3d.

[troymkennedy]

I'm pretty much hooked on presurge unleashed. Great energy, focus, pump, no crash. Feels clean, for lack of a better word. Taste is pretty good too. Highly recommended.

[SpongeTom]

:cool:



We have been getting tons of feedback such as yours. Thanks for the words and support!

Id like to try it, but its on backorder here at bb.com, any word on when it will be in stock.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

I'm pretty much hooked on presurge unleashed. Great energy, focus, pump, no crash. Feels clean, for lack of a better word. Taste is pretty good too. Highly recommended.

Excellent!


Id like to try it, but its on backorder here at bb.com, any word on when it will be in stock.

This coming week.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Tried WF for the first time yesterday for pre workout, it was excellent, great pump, focus, and tons of energy. Definitely had one of the best workouts I've had in a long time. Now I haven't tried all of these others such as jacked, but I have used N.O explode alot, and WF in my opinion not only a great value, but works great too. I bought the Fruit punch, tastes nice also

awesome, glad to hear it. I think the white flood fruit punch is the best tasting preworkout supp on the market :)

have you used any of our other products? we have samples of them free in my signature below :)

[SpongeTom]

Excellent!



This coming week.

Sorry one more question, are there any problems importing into Australia? Thanks mate.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Sorry one more question, are there any problems importing into Australia? Thanks mate.

There's a specific version shipping to GNC AUS next week. I'm not sure if the current version would make it through.

[dl910]

Im currently using jack3d and and absolutely swear by it!
after reading alot of reveiws on white flood, im pretty keen to try that too?
any feedback by anyone whos tried both products would be great.

[Marky418]

DARK RAGE !!!

im immune to everything else pretty much

[cannaphilic]

Why has Controlled Labs changed the serving size of White Flood from 2 scoops(12.55 grams) to 1 scoop (6.19 grams)? I was about to order another tub but noticed I would have to buy the "100 Serving size" to have the amount of what I previously had in the 50 serving size.

[redsavage3]

Why has Controlled Labs changed the serving size of White Flood from 2 scoops(12.55 grams) to 1 scoop (6.19 grams)? I was about to order another tub but noticed I would have to buy the "100 Serving size" to have the amount of what I previously had in the 50 serving size.

New version its much smaller you dont need as much. If you look in the other sections of the forums youll see plenty of reviews on the new one.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Im currently using jack3d and and absolutely swear by it!
after reading alot of reveiws on white flood, im pretty keen to try that too?
any feedback by anyone whos tried both products would be great.
give white flood a shot, you will love it. also cheaper per serving and 1,3 dimeth free :)

free sample via the link in my signature below :)

Why has Controlled Labs changed the serving size of White Flood from 2 scoops(12.55 grams) to 1 scoop (6.19 grams)? I was about to order another tub but noticed I would have to buy the "100 Serving size" to have the amount of what I previously had in the 50 serving size.

same product, just halved the serving size and doubled the servings per container. same price and total amount of powder per container, so if you took 2 scoops before, you would still take 2 scoops and get just as many workout days out of it.

more info on the change:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=123744001

[ironrat42]

Just picked up some PSU, let you guys know how it goes.

[bvshark26]

Anadraulic State GT VS. No-Xplode

[competitiveedge]

DARK RAGE !!!

im immune to everything else pretty much

^^^ I second that Dark Rage is deff. the pre-workout EVER made! Pump's/Energy are off the Insane

[jcosley]

I'm very impressed with:
Dymatize Xtreme Pump
Scivation Quake

Both are awesome.

[sahil.shivi]

superpump250 ftw

[bloodsimple1234]

Whats up with the gaba in white flood?


To shut down your brain before you start working out? We don't really know what the dosage is, other than it is significantly less than 1900mg. Same as any other prop formulas? To make the ingredient list look good?

gaba is a great supplement,in low doses it will help with focus,anxiety,overall well being,etc..

take just the right dose and will help calm you down,sleep MUCH better,increase natural gh production,etc...



I'm very impressed with:
Dymatize Xtreme Pump
.


indeed great stuff!

new formula is top notch!!

[Trank]

My brother and i are about to start working out again and was wondering what would be better for strenth gain and not gain any fat Presurge or white flood stacked with green mag?

[AlphaBrass01]

My brother and i are about to start working out again and was wondering what would be better for strenth gain and not gain any fat Presurge or white flood stacked with green mag?
I don't think either would promote fat gain. I haven't taken Presurge, but love WF+GM. Try one and then try the other. I think everybody develops their own preferences. From reading reviews, I would think that both are quality products.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

My brother and i are about to start working out again and was wondering what would be better for strenth gain and not gain any fat Presurge or white flood stacked with green mag?


I don't think either would promote fat gain. I haven't taken Presurge, but love WF+GM. Try one and then try the other. I think everybody develops their own preferences. From reading reviews, I would think that both are quality products.

yup, they make a great combo and are intended to be stacked, one of the reason white flood is creatine free.


also, white flood is one of the best values per serving on the market :)

[JacktheStripper]

I just started using Jack3d. It's been working great so far.
Maybe I'm not that sensitive to stimulants, but I'm taking full doses and it's not turning me into the hyperactive crackhead that I read about in reviews for it.
I gives me energy and focus in the gym - I kill myself for an hour, and then I'm ready to fall asleep.

I've also heard the NO Explode is crap. I was told it has magnesium in it as a filler, something that is also used as a laxative? Any truth in that?
Jack3d is cheaper anyway.

[Bryan_0025]

A great pre-workout supplement to have a look at is Serum from Magnum Nutraceuticals. I've personally used other pre-workout supplements in the past and I've had the best results with Serum. It gives great energy, great focus, great pumps, and wicked strength boosts.

[chunkyfatboy]

Wine followed by vodka...about the best although unhealthiest pre-workout drink(s) u can take

[doza808]

So I've been on Jack3d for awhile now, maybe 3-4 months. Obviously by this time, my tolerance to the product is way up there. I mean I'm at about 3.5-4 scoops of the stuff. I want to try something new.

I know White Flood is highly recommended so my question is this, when I decide to start White Flood, will I develop a tolerance like I did while on Jack3d? If I decide to start White Flood now, do you think my tolerance to stimulants carry over as well?

confused.

[gregorystacey]

BPI Sports 1 M.R. is really good and really cheap. $35 will get you a 7 week supply if you're lifting 4 days a week. I've tried them all as over the past couple of years I'll get a PWO every few months for fun and have always tried something new. Black Powder is good and Jack3d/SuperPump250 are better, but 1 M.R. hit the nail on the head. Even if you have your favorite it's still a must try for something new.

[bill_n_opus]

So I've been on Jack3d for awhile now, maybe 3-4 months. Obviously by this time, my tolerance to the product is way up there. I mean I'm at about 3.5-4 scoops of the stuff. I want to try something new.

I know White Flood is highly recommended so my question is this, when I decide to start White Flood, will I develop a tolerance like I did while on Jack3d? If I decide to start White Flood now, do you think my tolerance to stimulants carry over as well?

confused.

The way I see it is this:

- most products have their own formulations ... but basically revolve around this and that plus stimulants in the form of either synthetic caffeine and herbal stimulants - or both.
- some products also have various ingredients that work in conjunction with the stims ... like the 1,3 Dimeth which is a vasoconstrictor (ED?) similar to ephedra (last time I checked)

So, what you're getting used to is the product plus the stims.

If you move to another product that also relies on stims (like the aforementioned caffeine etc ...) you will have some tolerance built up already to that - so you won't get that same "kick" that you would have if you had cycled off the stims for a period of time and then tried White Flood fresh.

Clear? Or clear as mud?

To get a better idea of how a product works for you, especially PreWorkout products I would imagine one should cycle off a product for at least a couple of weeks, don't drink coffee as well and such. Then try White Flood.

Do the same if you want to try Presurge Unleashed ... SuperPump250 ...Jacked and whatever else.

Then you will find out what works best for you and then also determine what the value is.

Honestly, I think that best "value" would be synthetic caffeine pills and ephedra on an empty stomach. A little harsh but it does the trick ... but the body attenuates quite quickly to them. A bottle of caffeine runs 5 bucks or less. Same with equivalent ephedra. But that's just my opinion of course.

[stathound]

Take my testimony with a grain of salt if you will, however, Jack3d is the first pre-workout mix I've ever taken. I felt like a God at the gym today I usually start my workouts with a mile run, but that was easily bumped to 2 because I didn't feel like stopping, then I went to the weights and banged them out, followed by abs for an amazing workout. I came back home and still feel focused and energized, more then a **** load of coffee could ever do for me. The only down side is I feel like throwing up from probably over exerting myself. Quality stuff here it's no wonder USP has a solid following.
EDIT: I didn't notice a difference in vaso-dilation my veins seemed to look the same as always..

[Lunatikz]

Been on presurge unleashed for 2 days. Been great so far, excellent focus and energy.
The taste reminds me of some koolaid

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So I've been on Jack3d for awhile now, maybe 3-4 months. Obviously by this time, my tolerance to the product is way up there. I mean I'm at about 3.5-4 scoops of the stuff. I want to try something new.

I know White Flood is highly recommended so my question is this, when I decide to start White Flood, will I develop a tolerance like I did while on Jack3d? If I decide to start White Flood now, do you think my tolerance to stimulants carry over as well?

confused.

def take 10-12 days off all stims before beginning white flood. I think you will like it a lot and it will save you money on a preworkout basis as well :)

[rugbyman87]

def take 10-12 days off all stims before beginning white flood. I think you will like it a lot and it will save you money on a preworkout basis as well :)

I tried white flood with the green mag and i could barely drink either of them. I dont know if it was the flavors or what but i barely got them each down then had such a bad taste in my mouth i just wanted to go eat something instead of lift. I had the electric lemonade and the apple. And i tried the intra workout, rasberry flaovr...same experience. Just thought i would give you guys a heads up at CL. The price was great but the experience was horrible.

I am switching back to SP250, had the best results from that, plus great taste.
Also like black powder and jack3d.

[swiftknight]

I tried white flood with the green mag and i could barely drink either of them. I dont know if it was the flavors or what but i barely got them each down then had such a bad taste in my mouth i just wanted to go eat something instead of lift. I had the electric lemonade and the apple. And i tried the intra workout, rasberry flaovr...same experience. Just thought i would give you guys a heads up at CL. The price was great but the experience was horrible.

I am switching back to SP250, had the best results from that, plus great taste.
Also like black powder and jack3d.

I think their still giving out samples. Fruit punch is where it's at. Best tasting pre to me. I tried the raspberry pre sample and it wasn't a good taste at all. But Fruit Punch pre lived up to the hype.

[doza808]

Great information guys. I'll definitely try to cycle off. I emphasize the word try when I say that because I've been "relying" on pre-workout supps so that I can get the "kick" you know what I mean? I don't know if I can do it. Nah j/k. I'm pretty sure I could but I know it's going to be very hard. AAAHHHH!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I tried white flood with the green mag and i could barely drink either of them. I dont know if it was the flavors or what but i barely got them each down then had such a bad taste in my mouth i just wanted to go eat something instead of lift. I had the electric lemonade and the apple. And i tried the intra workout, rasberry flaovr...same experience. Just thought i would give you guys a heads up at CL. The price was great but the experience was horrible.


very strange, as many people think green magnitude apple is the best tasting supp on the market. everyone's tastes differ, so I guess you are in the tiny minority. either way, thanks for giving it a shot :cool:

I think their still giving out samples. Fruit punch is where it's at. Best tasting pre to me. I tried the raspberry pre sample and it wasn't a good taste at all. But Fruit Punch pre lived up to the hype.
for sure, white flood fruit punch is the best tasting preworkout on the market according to many on here :)

Great information guys. I'll definitely try to cycle off. I emphasize the word try when I say that because I've been "relying" on pre-workout supps so that I can get the "kick" you know what I mean? I don't know if I can do it. Nah j/k. I'm pretty sure I could but I know it's going to be very hard. AAAHHHH!!
you need to if you want to keep the "kick" kicking :D

[bartwaldon]

NaNo Vapor is definitely the best product out. i haven't tried very many but i don't really want to. i'm so focused when i use it. 2 thumbs up.

Dude i agree 100% ! And what's the deal with Jack3d ? It's ingrediant profile is PATHETIC!

[marty70]

FIRST

Just one?
Cause I have 3 I want to put down but if only one..............
I'd say superpump 250.
But I want to list metrx amped and NO shotgun too.

tried this product for the first time 2 days ago and really did`nt notice any difference,followed the instructions on the label to the letter. used no explode prior to this but again it did not work for me, am i doing something wrong, is there other ways of taking these types of products?

[shane14]

1.m.r

[AJhawk58]

Stick with the Animal (Universal Nutrition) supplements, I personally feel that the others are all bull****. In this case try Animal Pump