Best Overall Pre-Workout Energy/Pump Supplement?

[wiltarheel]

Lemonade - which tastes really good - that was the only 1 available at the local store. Can't wait to try the raspberry. Today was the second day I've used it and so far so good!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Lemonade - which tastes really good - that was the only 1 available at the local store. Can't wait to try the raspberry. Today was the second day I've used it and so far so good!

awesome, I personally like the raspberry even better. what is the local store?

[wiltarheel]

The Vitamin Shoppe. I needed the product right away but I usually order through ********* or bb.com

[Keep_Pushing]

Anyone else ever use this stuff...Vitargo S2 By GENR8?

Dude is ripped!

[mijymaj]

What is the bcaa ratio within the (matrix?) of purple wrath? Also, how many sevings per?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

What is the bcaa ratio within the (matrix?) of purple wrath? Also, how many sevings per?

its an eaa product and we follow the ratio of one of the studis.

there are two sizes, a 45 serving and a 90 serving container. most people use servings

[Dweingardt]

I know when you stack this you can mix the three together but I'm wondering how much liquid to use.

[e1739]

Alright guys I am here to tell you how my first day on Jack3d was. I went to the store to buy a pre-workout supp, and saw WF, which is what I usually get, still the same high price it is. I'm not bashing the product of WF, just the price. Anyways, I walk over and I see Jack3d is only 30 bucks for 45 servings, which in my mind, seems like a great deal.

So I buy Jack3d in the fruit punch flavor, even though when I mix it it is still somewhat clear, idk whats up with that. I took one scoop at around 5 p.m. and within 30 minutes or so I was ready to go. Honesty, this product is great, I was able to put up more weight, do more reps, and somehow I wasn't as tired as I usually am in the gym. The only problem I have with it is it makes it hard for me to go to bed.

I tried going to sleep somewhat early, like 11 pm, last night and I eventually fell asleep, but it was a crap sleep. Needless to say I woke at 3 and stayed up until 5 waiting to seem somewhat tired. After waking up at 10 am I still feel refreshed and somewhat energized. I plan on pcik up some melatonin today at the store to help with this problem.

Anyways, if you are looking to have a great pre-workout supp, Jack3d is your answer. Great energy, focus, and pumps. And it is cheap, which makes it even better.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I know when you stack this you can mix the three together but I'm wondering how much liquid to use.
white flood and green mag mixed in 20 ounces of cold water 30 minutes preworkout

purple wraath in 20 ounces of cold water during the workout

I went to the store to buy a pre-workout supp, and saw WF, which is what I usually get, still the same high price it is.



white flood is half the cost per workout (as described on both products labels) ;)

[Southlifter]

I need to pick up some WF. I got a sample when i picked up some stuff the other day first thing i noticed was the energy i had going into the gym second thing i noticed was the pump i got. No lie after WF i looked in the mirror and noticed I had gotten stretch marks from using it and in my opinion getting stretch marks from a pump is just beautiful.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I need to pick up some WF. I got a sample when i picked up some stuff the other day first thing i noticed was the energy i had going into the gym second thing i noticed was the pump i got. No lie after WF i looked in the mirror and noticed I had gotten stretch marks from using it and in my opinion getting stretch marks from a pump is just beautiful.

wow, glad you enjoyed it. this was the raspberry I assume?

[theBofBenny]

Black powder hands down!...id come home from working construction all day and one scoop of this stuff and id be itchin to throw some weights around

[theBofBenny]

i agree bro. no pain no gain...i fought through the stomach pains too

[REIGNMAN_AUS]

I've tried a few pre-workouts and i rate them as follows:

1. Animal Pump
2. SP250
3. White Flood (taken with Green Mag as a preworkout)
4. Black Powder
5. NO Shotgun
6. No Xplode

I found AP to be the most convinient being in pill form but from a performance point of view gave me increased vascularity compared to WF and SP250. The full daily dose of creatine was a bonus (though i also take Torrent PWO).

[AlphaBrass01]

I've tried a few pre-workouts and i rate them as follows:

1. Animal Pump
2. SP250
3. White Flood (taken with Green Mag as a preworkout)
4. Black Powder
5. NO Shotgun
6. No Xplode

I found AP to be the most convinient being in pill form but from a performance point of view gave me increased vascularity compared to WF and SP250. The full daily dose of creatine was a bonus (though i also take Torrent PWO).
I agree with all of your points on Animal Pump. I stack it with Torrent post and love it.

[REIGNMAN_AUS]

I agree with all of your points on Animal Pump. I stack it with Torrent post and love it.

My current stack is AP pre-workout, intra-aid during and torrent post. Been using it pretty constantly for almost a year so i might have to switch things up abit soon... but i figure if it ain't broke don't fix it!

Edit: Better update my signature. =D

[Southlifter]

wow, glad you enjoyed it. this was the raspberry I assume?

Yup the rasberry. Really looking forward to picking up some of this for christmas.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yup the rasberry. Really looking forward to picking up some of this for christmas.

gifts or for yourself? :D

[tjhamann23]

NO SHOTGUN

definitely VPX NO Shotgun

gives the best of all worlds: pumps, focus, energy, and also results in the long run.

also like someone said before, contains a lot things that most preworkout supps dont

[bojan]

Is there a pre-workout supplement that is CAFFEINE FREE?

my thing is i go to bed at 9pm and i go to the gym at 5-7pm ..... and i would not wanna be up all night


i did try

supercharge
nano vapour

and nano is amazing 5/5 imo

[bsocha]

[QUOTE=bojan;425651361]Is there a pre-workout supplement that is CAFFEINE FREE?

I been experimenting with PreMax. It gives great pumps, increases my strength and helps with endurance, moreover it is very healthy. No caffeine virtually stim free.

[Matt_16]

The absolutely best pre-workout supplement would have to be Muscle Pharm's Assault! The ingredients are all dosed in sufficient amounts, tastes delicious, and I have had the greatest pumps of my life on this stuff! Highly recommended!:)

[bojan]

[QUOTE=bojan;425651361]Is there a pre-workout supplement that is CAFFEINE FREE?

I been experimenting with PreMax. It gives great pumps, increases my strength and helps with endurance, moreover it is very healthy. No caffeine virtually stim free.

thank you very much


would like to hear from u ppl if there is any other supplements that are caffeine free

thank you

[Southlifter]

gifts or for yourself? :D

for myself haha.

[naturalguy]

Is there a pre-workout supplement that is CAFFEINE FREE?

my thing is i go to bed at 9pm and i go to the gym at 5-7pm ..... and i would not wanna be up all night


i did try

supercharge
nano vapour

and nano is amazing 5/5 imo

You can take Animal Pump and leave out the red pill (the stims) it's the only pre-workout on the market that has that feature.

[SwolenONE]

You can take Animal Pump and leave out the red pill (the stims) it's the only pre-workout on the market that has that feature.

i do like the versatility of that, especially cuz AP is one that i dont respond well to the stim (i get lightheaded)

plasmatic is another pill i love for being stim free yet giving amazing pumps and strength

i'd imagine stacking the two would be insane, as they have completely different ingredient profiles.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

for myself haha.

smart man, keep the good stuff close :D

[kamocs]

I have tried no-explode, fusion force, white flood and super pump250.
i rate them sp250. white flood, no explode, fusion force was horrible did nothing.

But i have a ? for CL, under product info it says purple wrath is a pre workout drink but i've also read its good intra workout. So i guess my question is would it be good to use with the sp250? Like sp250 30mins preworkout then purple wrath during workout, or is it like taking 2 N.O. products?

[LukePhillips]

http://allstonbeer.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/monster-energy-drink-single-500ml-can-uk-1828-p.jpg

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have tried no-explode, fusion force, white flood and super pump250.
i rate them sp250. white flood, no explode, fusion force was horrible did nothing.

But i have a ? for CL, under product info it says purple wrath is a pre workout drink but i've also read its good intra workout. So i guess my question is would it be good to use with the sp250? Like sp250 30mins preworkout then purple wrath during workout, or is it like taking 2 N.O. products?

purple wraath is best intra, but some start sipping on it pre and continue intra.

sure that is fine, most combine it with white flood though so you maximize the beta alanine as well

[hulkhoganjr.]

purple wraath is best intra, but some start sipping on it pre and continue intra.

sure that is fine, most combine it with white flood though so you maximize the beta alanine as well
Controlled Labs is an old comp. With old results I personally like thicker milkshakes maybe a muscletech product for instance?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Controlled Labs is an old comp. With old results I personally like thicker milkshakes maybe a muscletech product for instance?

huh? :D

[naturalguy]

i do like the versatility of that, especially cuz AP is one that i dont respond well to the stim (i get lightheaded)

plasmatic is another pill i love for being stim free yet giving amazing pumps and strength

i'd imagine stacking the two would be insane, as they have completely different ingredient profiles.

Plasmatic is good stuff, that would be an interesting combo

[velocityrob]

i do like the versatility of that, especially cuz AP is one that i dont respond well to the stim (i get lightheaded)


Bummer- I saved a baggie full of the red stims when I was stacking a few Animal products- I'm using them now as a stand-alone product.

[SwolenONE]

Bummer- I saved a baggie full of the red stims when I was stacking a few Animal products- I'm using them now as a stand-alone product.

excellent

yea, theres a few popular stims i dont respond too, such is life!

[NOrleansSaints]

Bummer- I saved a baggie full of the red stims when I was stacking a few Animal products- I'm using them now as a stand-alone product.

The stims from the m-stak work well, keeps me going for hours after my work out as well. However, back on topic, I would say sp250, however it gives me stomach pains and unwanted bathroom breaks.

[velocityrob]

The stims from the m-stak work well, keeps me going for hours after my work out as well. However, back on topic, I would say sp250, however it gives me stomach pains and unwanted bathroom breaks.

With those gut-related issues, do you really think sp250 is the best?
Wouldn't you prefer one that doesn't run through you like a Japanese bullet train?

[Eunectes92]

white flood/greemag

[mindoculus]

NO Shotgun V.3 or VPX Bang. Shotgun is better for no other reason than the additional protein. Taste is mind-blowing.

[Rep4EST]

With those gut-related issues, do you really think sp250 is the best?
Wouldn't you prefer one that doesn't run through you like a Japanese bullet train?

Hey guys, Rob has a valid point here. There are a lot of products out there that hit you like a freight train and then are gone. Some people witness major crashes with the products that contains a lot of caffenine or even stomach pains.

I am telling you, te best stack BY far is Plasmatic and MethylMass. Either one of these can be taken seperately and are still very effective. But the pumps the stack gives is mindblowing and give you a substainable amount of energy throughout your workouts and you WILL NOT witness a crash post workout.

[Rep4EST]

NO Shotgun V.3 or VPX Bang. Shotgun is better for no other reason than the additional protein. Taste is mind-blowing.

I will agree with you here Mind. Shotgun is a great product and I use to be a big fan of it. But I am not big on having a supply of protein being distributed to my body during my workout. I would however take the shotgun 2o min before workout and just drink water during. But I found that the effects would taper off about 20 min before the workout was completed. That is why I moved on from shotgun. Great product though.

[NO HYPE]

I am telling you, te best stack BY far is Plasmatic and MethylMass. Either one of these can be taken seperately and are still very effective. But the pumps the stack gives is mindblowing and give you a substainable amount of energy throughout your workouts and you WILL NOT witness a crash post workout.

You should do yourself the service of running C-BOL. When it comes to significantly enhanced vasodilation, there's a reason why nitrates are clinically utilized for prolonged coronary artery disease and/or congestive heart failure: nitrates are the number 1 precursor to NO, and provide an [independent] source of NO.

[pokerdude069]

is it ok to take animal cuts upon waking up.. then 5 hours later take super pump for lifting weights?

[LifeOnceLost]

Labrada Supercharge.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

white flood/greemag

one hell of a stack. which flavors do you have and how are you dosing each one?

[ttprospect24]

have been using NO Shotgun for a couple weeks now, it's been doing a fine job and have been seeing results. The only problem is, I've built a tolerance against it and used 2 1/2 scoops to get the same effect as when I first used it with 1 scoop...and those 2 1/2 scoops really kill my stomach after the workout. it sucks...

[thebeast110]

http://allstonbeer.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/monster-energy-drink-single-500ml-can-uk-1828-p.jpghttps://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif

Although I agree they are good at keeping you awake... I wouldn't use them before every workout. Definitely not a healthy thing to be doing. With that being said, my vote is for sp250. Always gets me amped up for my workouts

[MooshooCarl]

MHP's Dark Rage may not taste the best, but it as far as effect, it has to be hands down the best pre workout supplement out there. ive tried quite a few of the top pre workout supps out there (no shotgun, no explode, superpump 250, etc..) and theyre pretty good, but with dark rage i could barely rest between sets, thats how amped i was.

[Modell5]

No-xplode is alright, huge crash for me though and like others have said, it goes away after less than a few weeks.
All I have to say is this- today I took 2 rpm pills and 1 scoop of Jack3d.
I tore through my first workout pretty much. Then a few hours later I REALLY felt the need to go shred some weights....so much so that when I went in I literally had to CHARGE to the weights and start curling like a madmen. I could tell my heart rate was up and I was certainly amped, but MAN, it was a crazy feeling....think i'm going to experiement with just rpm and/or just Jack3d for a little bit and see how that goes, but if you want to RIP through weights take those two at the same time.
for real.

[rdlax2613]

superpump 250 ftw

[jeffersonball20]

Alright, so I went into GNC today after running and decided to try a good pre-workout supplement with some extra Christmas money. I ended up buying superpump 250..drank it on my way to the gym and within 20 minutes it had set in. I was surprised how well it worked..more concentration and a greater will to work out period. One thing about it though, it made me extremely jittery, couldn't sit still for a second. But all in all it was great and much more than I expected. Beware it is really potent and the taste is not real great; but since when does the taste have to be the reason to not take a great product? Also, gave me energy for like 3 hours, I even did 2 days worth of workouts just because I had so much stored up from the stuff.
I would love to hear from anyone elses opinions regarding any other pre-workout supplements and results from taking superpump 250 or any other product!

[jeffersonball20]

Btw my heart rate never went below 130 for the whole workout lol

[BAnderson212]

White flood by Controlled Labs if your looking for value
Superpump 250 if budget isn't a factor

[gtozer]

Controlled labs

I heard white flood is a non stim.
does that mean i am not going to get any energy from it?

[mariogeezy]

I have tried a few products but I have to say my favorite so far has been White Flood and jack3d. White Flood is great it gives Great pumps, Focus and Energy Also it doesnt make me use the bathroom like NO Explode. Right now I just used Jack3d for the first time man this stuff is great I highly recommend it and its cheap Good pumps, focus and energy Id have to say even better than White Flood which I really love.

[Lucky4143]

I love jack3d but the effects of it are almost gone but I'm still able to workout for hours without getting to tired... So I think I'll keep on taking it hah

[AlphaBrass01]

Controlled labs

I heard white flood is a non stim.
does that mean i am not going to get any energy from it?

White Flood does have stims (and from my experience, does give a good amount of energy). If you're looking for something without stims, you might have meant White Blood.

[Lifter4Life59]

Been curious about white blood, whats the difference between it and WF? I also heard its being discontinued? It's been a while since I've used an NO and I'm leaning on getting back onto WF but I was curious about WHite blood and wondered if someone could explain the difference between the 2 please

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White flood by Controlled Labs if your looking for value
Superpump 250 if budget isn't a factor
absolutely. white flood is not only a great value but amongst the best in the preworkout category as well :) (free samples via the link in my signature below)

Controlled labs

I heard white flood is a non stim.
does that mean i am not going to get any energy from it?
white blood is non-stim (in capsules). white flood in powder and tablets is a stim.

I have tried a few products but I have to say my favorite so far has been White Flood and jack3d. White Flood is great it gives Great pumps, Focus and Energy Also it doesnt make me use the bathroom like NO Explode. Right now I just used Jack3d for the first time man this stuff is great I highly recommend it and its cheap Good pumps, focus and energy Id have to say even better than White Flood which I really love.
glad you are enjoying white flood and its about half the price per workout (as described on both products labels) so its win-win when you go with white flood :)

White Flood does have stims (and from my experience, does give a good amount of energy). If you're looking for something without stims, you might have meant White Blood.
exactly

Been curious about white blood, whats the difference between it and WF? I also heard its being discontinued? It's been a while since I've used an NO and I'm leaning on getting back onto WF but I was curious about WHite blood and wondered if someone could explain the difference between the 2 please
white blood is stimulant free and beta alanine free. there are some other differences as well. its obviously a capsule and white flood is a powder (and now a tablet too)

[Lifter4Life59]

white blood is stimulant free and beta alanine free. there are some other differences as well. its obviously a capsule and white flood is a powder (and now a tablet too)

Thanks fir the explanation. Looks like I'll be gettin back on WF then

[mariogeezy]

I love jack3d but the effects of it are almost gone but I'm still able to workout for hours without getting to tired... So I think I'll keep on taking it hah

yeah as with most products the effect decreases after time thats why i switch up products every now and then

[velocityrob]

yeah as with most products the effect decreases after time thats why i switch up products every now and then

Generally, thats true. However Plasmatic is unique- its effects build over time. I'm on my third straight bottle and its just getting better: better pumps that last long after the gym, and I've noticed a reduction in DOMS (a very nice benefit of the GlyoCarn).

[Sharky1976]

Betancourt Nutrition Bullnox Androrush

I am new to supplements and this is the only pre workout product I have ever used bu it seems to work for me. It tastes good, felt no stomach discomfort during workout, Amazing increase of strength and performance lasts throughout my whole workout.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Thanks fir the explanation. Looks like I'll be gettin back on WF then

my pleasure. excellent choice. what flavor are you going with?

[addiel101]

i gotta say trac no. iv taken superpump250 and the no shotgun and both did a number on my stomach. dont get me wrong the pump was good but the trac no seems to give me a better rush of energy and strength. It doesnt upset my stomach and the taste is great,

" cant workout without it" workouts will never be the same


The way I had it figured was that, the 10 minutes of upset stomach I got, paled in comparison to the awesome pump! :-)

I use superpump250 the pump is the best but is killing my stomach.I think I'll stop using it

[hsquier]

Without a doubt either one of these products: VPX Shotgun or USP Labs Jack3d mixes with now foods reservatrol.

[velocityrob]

I use superpump250 the pump is the best but is killing my stomach.I think I'll stop using it

Thats a common complaint. You should try Plasmatic- its an excellent stim-lite preWO. Very good pumps and helps recovery as well.

[SwolenONE]

Generally, thats true. However Plasmatic is unique- its effects build over time. I'm on my third straight bottle and its just getting better: better pumps that last long after the gym, and I've noticed a reduction in DOMS (a very nice benefit of the GlyoCarn).

this is true, gplc tends to only produce better results over time, unlike arginine.

[Keep_Pushing]

Ok, I am to lazy to read through 78 pages, but I know Controlled Labs already has the info and can provide it for me rather quickly.

Just got my Blue Up (Stim Free), White Flood, Green Magnitude and Purple Wraath.

I am around 245lbs. and want to know how to properly stack all of this. I know I need to take (3) Blue Up before a workout, and I can take Purple Wraath during my workout.

My big question is...I have ALWAYS taken my creatine right after my workout, but I am hearing a lot of people talk about mixing the White Flood and the Green Magnitude and drink it before.

Just looking for suggestions on how to mix the WF, GM, and the PW for best results.

Thanks CL and looking forward to starting the stack. I took a half serving today of WF and didn't get much effect from it. Thinking maybe because a half serving is not enough for my size. Will up the dose to a full serving and see how I react to that.

Thanks for the info!

[skinny-ricky]

Is this stuff recommended for adult beginners? Or should I stick with the protein shakes and creatine that I have been taking. I am working out by myself and not maxing out or anything like that yet.

[Rep4EST]

Is this stuff recommended for adult beginners? Or should I stick with the protein shakes and creatine that I have been taking. I am working out by myself and not maxing out or anything like that yet.

I suggest you start out with Methyl Mass OR Plasmtic. I would pick one and give it a shot. It is great for beginners as well as the advanced athlete looking to train hard and take their physquie to the next level. I say it is a great product to try because there are no side effect you will encounter, no jitters, no crash.

[sick-lift]

by VPX Is by far and away the best pre-workout product I have tried I think it has a very complete mixture, I have yet to find a pre-workout/ no product that has a BCAA in it. A reasonable amount of creatine and glutamine as well. Also I feel it has an excellent energy matrix, not quite as potent as red line. But close.it also has beta-alanine in it, and I believe it was one of the first NO products to incorporate it, but I'm not positive.

The taste is pretty good as well, now that they've improved it, nothing spectacular but it is about results! after all not taste.

I find the focus that it gives me is solid, it gets into my system quite quickly because it is ethyl ester, there's some debate whether or not matters, all I know is I take it and within 10 to 15 minutes, I! am! ready! to! go!

sounds like I'm propagandizing I know but I strongly believe in this product and I had very very good results with it.


I'm going to have to disagree. tried No shotgun. the rush of insulin tanked my blood sugar and I have very minute amount of body fat for back up so had to stop working out. hate fake sugar personally. had to return it for full refund. taste and upset stomach issues not serious, atleast for me. not sure how accurate are claims of insulin being "anabolic" (in terms of muscle building). reluctant to try other stuff posted on here bc I thought No SG was rated very high. hype i think. reading about GABA in White flood is making me nervous. it's suppose to turn off your brain. i don't think i would like that. will update more later.

[Keep_Pushing]

I'm going to have to disagree. tried No shotgun. the rush of insulin tanked my blood sugar and I have very minute amount of body fat for back up so had to stop working out. hate fake sugar personally. had to return it for full refund. taste and upset stomach issues not serious, atleast for me. not sure how accurate are claims of insulin being "anabolic" (in terms of muscle building). reluctant to try other stuff posted on here bc I thought No SG was rated very high. hype i think. reading about GABA in White flood is making me nervous. it's suppose to turn off your brain. i don't think i would like that. will update more later.


Got this from another site....

GABA is Gamma Aminobutyric Acid and is a neurotransmitter. It has been scientifically shown to stimulate the production of human growth hormone (HGH). The stimulation of HGH include the stimulation of amino acid transport, stimulation of protein synthesis and the proliferation of cell growth. It is also sold as a pill form of the supplement if you want to look into it further.

[sick-lift]

Got this from another site....

GABA is Gamma Aminobutyric Acid and is a neurotransmitter. It has been scientifically shown to stimulate the production of human growth hormone (HGH). The stimulation of HGH include the stimulation of amino acid transport, stimulation of protein synthesis and the proliferation of cell growth. It is also sold as a pill form of the supplement if you want to look into it further.

so may be this can be taken at night before bed time to do the nice things mentioned. but it is after all an "inhibitory neurotransmitter" and shuts down the mental firing. I don't want it pre or during workout. besides one doesn't need GABA supplement to do this. a traumatized worked out body naturally upregulates Growth hormone production while asleep. probably nice to supplement with full spectrum amino acid etc post workout. I have tried things with GABA ingredient. I was sleeping in a minute. just my personal bad experience with the neurotransmitter.

[bishaudio]

Jack3d Hands down.

After reading about it on the internet and finding out what wasn't in the product was very interesting. i thought i would give it a try and now im a returning customer. It makes me feel pumped and swoll after i work out

[sick-lift]

NO explode
with a full spectrum multivitamin/amino acid on the side.
& a fat glass of protein shake containing BCAAs post workout.

keep it simple.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ok, I am to lazy to read through 78 pages, but I know Controlled Labs already has the info and can provide it for me rather quickly.

Just got my Blue Up (Stim Free), White Flood, Green Magnitude and Purple Wraath.

I am around 245lbs. and want to know how to properly stack all of this. I know I need to take (3) Blue Up before a workout, and I can take Purple Wraath during my workout.

My big question is...I have ALWAYS taken my creatine right after my workout, but I am hearing a lot of people talk about mixing the White Flood and the Green Magnitude and drink it before.

Just looking for suggestions on how to mix the WF, GM, and the PW for best results.

Thanks CL and looking forward to starting the stack. I took a half serving today of WF and didn't get much effect from it. Thinking maybe because a half serving is not enough for my size. Will up the dose to a full serving and see how I react to that.

Thanks for the info!
yes, white flood and green magnitude mixed 30 minutes pre workout (green mag anytime on off days). purple wraath during the workout.

half serving or half scoop (half scoop = 1/4 serving)

you have blue up or blue up stim free?

I'm going to have to disagree. tried No shotgun. the rush of insulin tanked my blood sugar and I have very minute amount of body fat for back up so had to stop working out. hate fake sugar personally. had to return it for full refund. taste and upset stomach issues not serious, atleast for me. not sure how accurate are claims of insulin being "anabolic" (in terms of muscle building). reluctant to try other stuff posted on here bc I thought No SG was rated very high. hype i think. reading about GABA in White flood is making me nervous. it's suppose to turn off your brain. i don't think i would like that. will update more later.

gaba doesnt "turn off your brain" :) its a neurotransmitter and helps mentally in the workout

[Illadelphia]

I never saw this thread before, lol.

I'm willing to put $$$ up Vengeance kills 99% of the products mentioned in here. Anyone that's thinks otherwise can pm me.

[Keep_Pushing]

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;432028451]yes, white flood and green magnitude mixed 30 minutes pre workout (green mag anytime on off days). purple wraath during the workout.

half serving or half scoop (half scoop = 1/4 serving)

you have blue up or blue up stim free?


I have Blue Up Stim Free.

Also, do you take White Flood on days you DON'T workout? No, right?

[Danger_Close]

so iv went though 3 tubs of WF. one jack3d, and one super pump. The jack i will never do again, it just made me so damn sleepy while i was working out.

any suggestions?

[Warzephyr]

Plain and simple what would you guys recommend more, White Flood or Black Powder.

I'll most likely be taking it in conjunction with some whey protein, animal pak, and either scifit kre alkalyn or green bulge.

[Travis Moore]

Plain and simple what would you guys recommend more, White Flood or Black Powder.

I'll most likely be taking it in conjunction with some whey protein, animal pak, and either scifit kre alkalyn or green bulge.

White Flood

[tbone89]

My favorite is arnge krush in the blue hawaii flavor (its delicious). My biggest gains in strength have been while taking it. My second option is fast twitch which is much like arnge krush it just does not give me the focus like arnge krush. The only bad thing about krush is the price.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;432028451]yes, white flood and green magnitude mixed 30 minutes pre workout (green mag anytime on off days). purple wraath during the workout.

half serving or half scoop (half scoop = 1/4 serving)

you have blue up or blue up stim free?


I have Blue Up Stim Free.

Also, do you take White Flood on days you DON'T workout? No, right?
ok, the stim free one can be taken simultaneously with other stim products

white flood on workout days only

so iv went though 3 tubs of WF. one jack3d, and one super pump. The jack i will never do again, it just made me so damn sleepy while i was working out.

any suggestions?
I assume you liked white flood if you used 3 tubs?

Plain and simple what would you guys recommend more, White Flood or Black Powder.

I'll most likely be taking it in conjunction with some whey protein, animal pak, and either scifit kre alkalyn or green bulge.
try a free sample of white flood :) (link in signature below)

White Flood

thanks for your support :cool:

[Iceberg56]

Musclespeed...not alota people i know ever heard of it but it works great for me. Make sure you drink enough water tho because if you dont, you'll get a headache (happens to me if i go straight from work sometimes)

The best part is its only 2 pills so no bloated feeling or nasty taste

[velocityrob]

Musclespeed...not alota people i know ever heard of it but it works great for me. Make sure you drink enough water tho because if you dont, you'll get a headache (happens to me if i go straight from work sometimes)

The best part is its only 2 pills so no bloated feeling or nasty taste

I love that stuff!! I repped for them almost a year.
Great product!!

[bosco_]

Just finishing up with Controlled Labs WF (tablets), GM and Purple Intrain. (This is the second go with WF and GM before I used PW instead of PI)

The WF tablets I found are more convenient than the powder. The value of the GM and PI are great, price per serving is outstanding.

WF definitely one of the best pre-WO.

GM is my favorite and IMO the best creatine product I've seen.

I like the PI, the tub goes a long way and it's great intra-workout.

I am really leaning towards trying the USPLabs stuff (Jacked and maybe PowerFull) I guess I'm just so sold on CL right now and the USP stuff seems to have alot of proprietary blends.

This isn't my first go round, I've used SP 250, NOShotgun and NOSynthesize, NOExplode, NanoVapour. The last two don't even deserve ratings, they're garbage. SP250 was too hard on my stomach and I never got much out of the VPX products I loved the CL stuff.

Still weighing my options....

[bigD8990]

I'll go with JACK3D by USP Labs all day every day. Not too much pump, but within a half hour of taking it you're ready to tear the weights apart.. like literally rip them in half! lol

[NiR]

should i try wf/magnitude/purple intrain combo or wf/magnitude/purple wraath combo?

[BigMike44]

Jack3d! easy choice

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just finishing up with Controlled Labs WF (tablets), GM and Purple Intrain. (This is the second go with WF and GM before I used PW instead of PI)

The WF tablets I found are more convenient than the powder. The value of the GM and PI are great, price per serving is outstanding.

WF definitely one of the best pre-WO.

GM is my favorite and IMO the best creatine product I've seen.

I like the PI, the tub goes a long way and it's great intra-workout.

I am really leaning towards trying the USPLabs stuff (Jacked and maybe PowerFull) I guess I'm just so sold on CL right now and the USP stuff seems to have alot of proprietary blends.

This isn't my first go round, I've used SP 250, NOShotgun and NOSynthesize, NOExplode, NanoVapour. The last two don't even deserve ratings, they're garbage. SP250 was too hard on my stomach and I never got much out of the VPX products I loved the CL stuff.

Still weighing my options....
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should i try wf/magnitude/purple intrain combo or wf/magnitude/purple wraath combo? try one, then the other and see which works better for you. you cant go wrong either way

[gregorystacey]

I just bought the White Flood / Purple Wraath combo on BB.com for an outstanding value. I took White Flood for the first time this morning (Weds is Back/Triceps). I took 1 serving of WF and PW together right before I got on the treadmill for my pre-lift 1mi warm-up. I gotta say I was impressed with WF. My energy was through the roof and had significant increases in pump/vascularity. I was sweating like crazy but I do that with PW by itself (beta-alanine). I haven't used a pre-WO in about 6 months and decided to give WF a go with PW (PW has gotta be my favorite supplement hands down) because of the combo deal. I recommend WF as a solid product that definitely gives you an extra kick to train harder and longer. Friday is shoulders and traps and my delts swell up like balloons (small balloons, but respectable nonetheless) on shoulder day without a pre-WO so I'm anxious to see what a little WF does to them. After subsequent shoulder/traps, legs, and chest/biceps workout I'll give it a formal review. As of now I'm definitely not regretting spending the money.

CL Rep: Electric Lemonade (The taste is definitely not an issue to be contended with)

[bosco_]

I just ordered Jacked from bb.com.....along with more GM. I'm still taking PI and finishing off my last tub of PI.

Jacked was just too tempting not to try and I can't buy it anywhere in Canada. See how it goes.

I still stand by that the Controlled Labs stuff is the best value and produt. If you're in Canada, you can't beat bb.com pricing, even after shipping. It's nuts.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just bought the White Flood / Purple Wraath combo on BB.com for an outstanding value. I took White Flood for the first time this morning (Weds is Back/Triceps). I took 1 serving of WF and PW together right before I got on the treadmill for my pre-lift 1mi warm-up. I gotta say I was impressed with WF. My energy was through the roof and had significant increases in pump/vascularity. I was sweating like crazy but I do that with PW by itself (beta-alanine). I haven't used a pre-WO in about 6 months and decided to give WF a go with PW (PW has gotta be my favorite supplement hands down) because of the combo deal. I recommend WF as a solid product that definitely gives you an extra kick to train harder and longer. Friday is shoulders and traps and my delts swell up like balloons (small balloons, but respectable nonetheless) on shoulder day without a pre-WO so I'm anxious to see what a little WF does to them. After subsequent shoulder/traps, legs, and chest/biceps workout I'll give it a formal review. As of now I'm definitely not regretting spending the money.

CL Rep: Electric Lemonade (The taste is definitely not an issue to be contended with)
awesome. next time try raspberry, the taste is even better imo :)

I just ordered Jacked from bb.com.....along with more GM. I'm still taking PI and finishing off my last tub of PI.

Jacked was just too tempting not to try and I can't buy it anywhere in Canada. See how it goes.

I still stand by that the Controlled Labs stuff is the best value and produt. If you're in Canada, you can't beat bb.com pricing, even after shipping. It's nuts.

thanks for your support. :)

[BB-Guy]

Superpump 250 has the Fat Burner also. Do the others do also?

[Tase1984]

Does anybody try Assault???? Is better than superpump???

[resuman]

I was an avid SP250 user, cycled through 4-5 tubs...just could not handle the GI issues anymore and got to the point where I generally felt like crap after a workout...I switched to Assault and don't have any of the issues...is it as good as SP250...? not really but a very close 2nd, SP250 9/10...Assault 8.5/10

[termi]

superpump rules. what about Nutrabolics Hemorush anybody??

[ckymrg22]

id have to go with superpump 250. I started off wit no explode it worked for a little while but then my body got used to it very quickly and didnt get a good pump after a few uses. With superpump i started to see big gains and more focus with my first few uses. I just started a gaspari stack this monday going on my fifth day now and ive already gone up in weight and reps. I gota say superpump is indeed a high class pre-work out supp.

[No-XplodeUser]

Supplement really varies with different individual but for me I would still go for BSN No explode. It gives great pumps, good endurance and focus.

[Gackle]

this stuff hasnt hit the market yet (the new gen at least). I recieved samples a few days ago. Ive taken literally every preworkout on the market. the new M5 made me feel like I had never taken a preworkout before. The pumps were INSANE and I went Berserk in the Gym. Great Product! Say hello to the 2010 product of the year!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I was an avid SP250 user, cycled through 4-5 tubs...just could not handle the GI issues anymore and got to the point where I generally felt like crap after a workout...I switched to Assault and don't have any of the issues...is it as good as SP250...? not really but a very close 2nd, SP250 9/10...Assault 8.5/10

have you tried a free white flood sample?

[resuman]

have you tried a free white flood sample?

yes, I tried a raspberry sample a few months ago, truthfully I could not finish the whole thing, but I might try again since everyone on here talks so highly of it.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

yes, I tried a raspberry sample a few months ago, truthfully I could not finish the whole thing, but I might try again since everyone on here talks so highly of it.

that is very odd, how much water did you use and was it cold?

[Lift Till I Die]

jacked for sure because it gives you the focus, energy, and intensity that all the other pre-workouts do, but without jitters! very good product 10+!

[BB-Guy]

After being on NO Explode for couple years. I just took a 1/4 scoop of Super Pump 250 and that was huge difference in the gym today as I was more focused and went heavy. I could not believe it.

[Keep_Pushing]

Ok....Been taking my White Flood and Green Mag for a week now and I can't stay off the toilet. I take it 30-60 minutes before my workout and about 4 hours later I am pissing out of my ass, and this usually happens about twice until my stomach is done doing backflips!

Is this happening to anybody else and can anybody tell me what is causing this? Didn't think I had that weak of a stomach.

Be right back.....got to poop!

[Peter LeDrew]

ULTIMA


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[Frozendawn]

I just bought a Controlled Labs stack of:


1) Controlled Labs Green MAGnitude, 80 Servings, Electric Lemonade
2) Controlled Labs White Flood, 50 Servings, White Raspberry
3) Controlled Labs Orange Triad, 270 Tablets

It has everything here... You got your Creatine, essential to serious workouts, you got your insane energy boost to maximize your workouts, and you got your Vitamins in Orange Triad to surge your body with everything you need every day. Add a Whey protein to the stack ( I favor NOW Whey Protein Isolate because it has 50g of the purest kind of whey along with a whole stack of Aminos).

I did a lot of research and ultimately found Creative Labs products to dominate over the competition. Be smart, be strong, be controlled by Controlled Labs.

[Frozendawn]

Ok....Been taking my White Flood and Green Mag for a week now and I can't stay off the toilet. I take it 30-60 minutes before my workout and about 4 hours later I am pissing out of my ass, and this usually happens about twice until my stomach is done doing backflips!

Is this happening to anybody else and can anybody tell me what is causing this? Didn't think I had that weak of a stomach.

Be right back.....got to poop!

What is your current diet like? It might be your stomach adjusting to a new product. Did you have any down time since you finished your last supplement?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ok....Been taking my White Flood and Green Mag for a week now and I can't stay off the toilet. I take it 30-60 minutes before my workout and about 4 hours later I am pissing out of my ass, and this usually happens about twice until my stomach is done doing backflips!

Is this happening to anybody else and can anybody tell me what is causing this? Didn't think I had that weak of a stomach.

Be right back.....got to poop!
try splitting the green mag to half pre and half post. also take a granola bar or rice cake with it pre. you are probably sensitive to the stims in wf or the magnesium gm (those sensitivities will dissipate with continued use most likely)

I just bought a Controlled Labs stack of:


1) Controlled Labs Green MAGnitude, 80 Servings, Electric Lemonade
2) Controlled Labs White Flood, 50 Servings, White Raspberry
3) Controlled Labs Orange Triad, 270 Tablets

It has everything here... You got your Creatine, essential to serious workouts, you got your insane energy boost to maximize your workouts, and you got your Vitamins in Orange Triad to surge your body with everything you need every day. Add a Whey protein to the stack ( I favor NOW Whey Protein Isolate because it has 50g of the purest kind of whey along with a whole stack of Aminos).

I did a lot of research and ultimately found Creative Labs products to dominate over the competition. Be smart, be strong, be controlled by Controlled Labs.
thanks for your support. check the link in my signature below for our lift the label promo where you can get free products and gear for saving your labels/receipts :)

[djbcrdi]

I've had my experiences with different types of pre workout supplements. So far this is what i've came up with:

NO Xplode - threw my energy up but about halfway done with my workouts i felt like ass and gave me a great deal of trouble in the john. Thus far, pretty much ruining my workout.

Superpump 250 - The first day I used sp250 this product was awesome, energy was through the roof, great pumps, and i felt great. After that first day though everything just seemed the same. I am finishing up sp250 and all i can say is pretty much every day i take it just to give me the motivation to get to the gym at a certain time.

Vaso charge- Great product, hasnt failed me yet. I've gone through probably about 4 jugs of that. Skin tingling pumps is what I like and vaso charge sure as hell gave me that. Most of all it gave me great focus in the gym. I would recommend it for those who are stimulant sensitive.

Jack3d- Another great product. I'm currently in afghanistan and there are about 4-5 people here taking jack3d. They like it alot, but unfortunatley every single one of them built a tolerance up for it after about the 1st week including myself. I would use it again if i had to but out of choice I wouldnt buy it again. I look for pre workout supps that can keep me focused, pumped, motivated, energized for 4 weeks without building a tolerance after the first week.

Nano vapor- If there anything in the world I don't like its muscle tech's products. Nano vapor sent me straight to the john and along with that gave me no energy to get into the gym. Yet I still got in and hit the weights, i felt like ass and didnt want to be there thanks to this product.

I have still let yet to try white flood, which is another popular preworkout supplement. So far all I have heard were good things here in afghanistan and back in the states. I should be getting my white flood here in the mail tommorw cant wait!

[eddision]

1 winner evertym no xplode

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have still let yet to try white flood, which is another popular preworkout supplement. So far all I have heard were good things here in afghanistan and back in the states. I should be getting my white flood here in the mail tommorw cant wait!

looking forward to your white flood review :)

[matexas]

I got the free CL samples about a month ago. I tried everything, but was mostly interested in the white flood and the green mag. The white flood hit me hard. I took the sample at like 11am and couldnt fall asleep til like 4 in the morning. Maybe it was just one of those days and had nothing to do with the WF. I dont know. But while in the gym, I went harder and longer than i ever had before. So I ordered Green Mag and White Flood.

The GM has started to kick in. It seems like most of my lifts have gone up 10-25 lbs. Maybe its all mental, who knows, but i like it.

The white flood is intense in the gym, but i havent had anymore problems sleeping either. I finish pumping out a set and i just want to go kick a midget off a bridge or something.

I do piss a lot more, but thats cause i drink more water, but no negative side effects yet.

Havent taken them for too long, and have never taken anything else, but so far so good.

[rgc1279]

I finish pumping out a set and i just want to go kick a midget off a bridge or something.

This quote should be on the white flood label!

[TJB85]

White Flood Is Sick

And Cellucors N Zero Extreme

i mix the two together

[SwolenONE]

Im excited that Methyl Mass has been getting some love ever since the logs and reviews as of late

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I got the free CL samples about a month ago. I tried everything, but was mostly interested in the white flood and the green mag. The white flood hit me hard. I took the sample at like 11am and couldnt fall asleep til like 4 in the morning. Maybe it was just one of those days and had nothing to do with the WF. I dont know. But while in the gym, I went harder and longer than i ever had before. So I ordered Green Mag and White Flood.

The GM has started to kick in. It seems like most of my lifts have gone up 10-25 lbs. Maybe its all mental, who knows, but i like it.

The white flood is intense in the gym, but i havent had anymore problems sleeping either. I finish pumping out a set and i just want to go kick a midget off a bridge or something.

I do piss a lot more, but thats cause i drink more water, but no negative side effects yet.

Havent taken them for too long, and have never taken anything else, but so far so good.awesome, thanks for the review and letting us know :)

This quote should be on the white flood label!
lmao :D

White Flood Is Sick

And Cellucors N Zero Extreme

i mix the two together
what flavor white flood do you have/?

[BB-Guy]

Which one is the best for sexual stimulation?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Which one is the best for sexual stimulation?

what are the choices?

[..Unchained..]

My turn
1. White Flood hands down! Just started it again after I took couple of other NOs. Raspberry flavor is pretty good.
2. No-Xplode - not bad, will def. go back to that supplement.
3. NO-Shotgun - the taste is horrible, pumps are massive, energy-focus is there as well.

SP250 gave me ****s and a bit of focus and some pumps. Went through 2 tubes will not do it again.
SMASH Axis Labs did not do nothing for me.
MRI Black Powder - just pumps, no energy, no focus
Universal Shock Therapy - very weak product, almost to the point that I had to eat 4-5 scoops to feel anything.

Still need to try
1. Jack3d
2. Body Octane (MAN)
3. Dorian Yates NOX Pump
4. Nutrex Hemo Rage

[BB-Guy]

what are the choices?

White Flood, NO Explode, Super 250. All have L-Arginine.

[Rdot9]

i've been using Superpump 250 for a few months now and i love it, i know people have had problems with it not sitting well but it's working so far for me

[BB-Guy]

i've been using Superpump 250 for a few months now and i love it, i know people have had problems with it not sitting well but it's working so far for me

I have not had any digestion problems with SP250 like I did with No Explode.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

My turn
1. White Flood hands down! Just started it again after I took couple of other NOs. Raspberry flavor is pretty good.
2. No-Xplode - not bad, will def. go back to that supplement.
3. NO-Shotgun - the taste is horrible, pumps are massive, energy-focus is there as well.

SP250 gave me ****s and a bit of focus and some pumps. Went through 2 tubes will not do it again.
SMASH Axis Labs did not do nothing for me.
MRI Black Powder - just pumps, no energy, no focus
Universal Shock Therapy - very weak product, almost to the point that I had to eat 4-5 scoops to feel anything.

Still need to try
1. Jack3d
2. Body Octane (MAN)
3. Dorian Yates NOX Pump
4. Nutrex Hemo Rage
awesome, thanks for your review. glad you enjoy white flood the most :)

have you tried lemonade too?

White Flood, NO Explode, Super 250. All have L-Arginine.
something with stims isnt always the best before sex, unless you are tired :D

[delusive]

I went from NO xplode to VPX No shotgun and now finishing up my NANO vapor...

Xplode wore off quick, No complaints about shotgun as far as Vapor, the energy level is consistent although i dont feel the same as i did with NO shotgun...

So once this bottle is done im going back to VPX shotgun, for me; imo it works the best.

[dlions93]

Super pump first day on that pre workout and didnt want to leave the gym at all.

[BB-Guy]

Super pump first day on that pre workout and didnt want to leave the gym at all.

I think that happens with like all supps. Pretty soon, you will need more dosage to get to the higher level.

[kaz555]

The reason why I stopped buying preworkout supplements is the fact that they are loaded with artificial ingredients such aspartame, acesulfame potassium, etc. I have been around long enough to know what works and doesn't but I have a feeling that 95% of the reason why people get hyped when taking a product is not because of the the so called state of art"formulation but rather the caffeine. Take 300 MG caffeine before a workout and you won't know what hit you. I used to drink Coffee before my workouts (with shot of espresso) and energy wise I would have to say it was the same, if not better then some of the more expensive preworkout products.

[..Unchained..]

awesome, thanks for your review. glad you enjoy white flood the most :)

have you tried lemonade too?


Tried it. The taste was the worst thing regarding this supplement but thank God there is a raspberry flavor now so I am happy. Currently stacking it with Green Mag and I like this stack a ton.


The reason why I stopped buying preworkout supplements is the fact that they are loaded with artificial ingredients such aspartame, acesulfame potassium, etc. I have been around long enough to know what works and doesn't but I have a feeling that 95% of the reason why people get hyped when taking a product is not because of the the so called state of art"formulation but rather the caffeine. Take 300 MG caffeine before a workout and you won't know what hit you. I used to drink Coffee before my workouts (with shot of espresso) and energy wise I would have to say it was the same, if not better then some of the more expensive preworkout products.

I often do guarana+caffeine+tyrozine+taurine -> cheap energy stack.
Caffeine by itself wears off quickly.

[BuiltRight]

Let's see
SP 250 was just ok.
Juggernaut tasted awful and did nothing.
Black Powder was good I didn't like the taste

I loved Green Mag until moisture got in it and ruined it :(
One of my all time favorites is MP Assault great pumps and gains.

Right now I am using 4 scoops of CL Glycer Grow and two and a half scoops of jack3d 30 min pre workout and holy Jesus I have been tearing it up it's been amazing the energy and gains are through the roof!!! I may add GG to every Pre workout I take from now on. Still not sold on WF but if it is similar to Jack3d or Assault I would be all over it.

[chev-chelios]

[QUOTE=rollie78;340255431]Has anyone tried Kat-a-lyst 's VASOCOR? It's not for sale to individuals under 18. Here's the web site


i have tried it...that's the pre workout i use..honestly it's better than N.O shotgun and N.O. explode by far... it works fairly quick and it does not make u want to take a ****. it gives a really good boost for the whole day..the price a bit high though. it's something like 60$

[crossfitxtrm]

I am currently taking xpand, but want to try something new. USPLABS Jack3d was a great product but am looking for something a little more extreme. I want something that will take my workouts to the next level (I do crossfit style workouts 5 times a week posting elite times). Does anyone have any suggestions? I have been thinking about shock therapy, nrg-x labs overdose, white flood, cryoshock. please give me your honest opinion on what is the best for pump, energy, decreasing fatigue, and improvement.
Thanks
"effort is only effort when it begins to hurt. If you do not fear your workout, you are not working out hard enough."

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Tried it. The taste was the worst thing regarding this supplement but thank God there is a raspberry flavor now so I am happy. Currently stacking it with Green Mag and I like this stack a ton.


.
glad to hear you love white flood so much. that combo with green magnitude is awesome :)


Right now I am using 4 scoops of CL Glycer Grow and two and a half scoops of jack3d 30 min pre workout and holy Jesus I have been tearing it up it's been amazing the energy and gains are through the roof!!! I may add GG to every Pre workout I take from now on. Still not sold on WF but if it is similar to Jack3d or Assault I would be all over it.

why not try a free sample of white flood then? (check the link in my signature below for details)

[Adjusting]

Get Diesel has a couple pre-workout products people should look into.

[Keep_Pushing]

So, my journey started a month or so ago as I was looking for a pre-workout energy supplement. I came across this forum that marketed Controlled Labs products and started reading all the reviews, believing that they were mostly legit.

So, I bought some White Flood, Green Magnitude, Purple Wraath, and Blue Up (Stim Free).

I have been taking the WF, GM, and PW for 3 weeks now.

White Flood - I don't really get a surge of energy for my workout, basically don't feel it. I do get a half decent pump though, but nothing extreme....and nothing impressive.

Green MAG - Not impressed. I have been taking Celltech for years and that seems to work best for me. I have been taking supplements for years and I know how my body reacts to certain supplements and I know when I should be feeling it.

I have lost a LOT of strength while taking these supplements. I felt amazing changes after a week of Celltech, and continued to gain after several months of using Celltech. I have felt nothing so far from the GM. Prior to starting CL products I would do 15 sets X 10 Reps (150 reps) of 225lbs. I struggled to get 6 sets of 10 today. I was benching 315 for 5-6 reps and now I can barely get up two reps of 315.

I have been waiting to start my Blue Up because I wanted to see what my body reacted to and I figured if I started all of them at the same time it would be hard to tell which ones really worked or didn't work.

So, I am going to start the Blue Up in another week or two and see what I get from that.

If....I don't get what I expect from it then I am going back to Celltech which I KNOW works for me, and it works great for me, and I am going to buy some Jack3d. I don't know anybody that used White Flood but I do know some people that use Jack3d and they swear by it.

I am giving CL a chance, and I will surely come back here and post if I get something good from CL, but...if I don't see changes soon then I will have some opened containers of CL products to give away, and go back to what I know works.

[LiftDeezWeights]

White flood ftw. White rasberry. Good stuff.

[Gery_Sowet]

i've tried all the main ones like White flood (WIcked) , No explode, superpump 250 (wicked IMO), MRI black powder, and jack3d...

but i find the best for me is NRG-X Labs OVERDOSE pump 4/5 energy 5/5 focus 5/5 a must try considering its on sale...

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So, ...
you tried the samples back in December, correct? I assume you liked them or you would not have purchased?

White flood ftw. White rasberry. Good stuff.

awesome to hear. how long have you been on white flood? what other preworkout supps have you taken?

[Keep_Pushing]

The samples are good to test flavor, but not good enough to see long term effect. I bought into the hype and decided to try something different. Live and learn.

The slight tingling feeling I got from the WF sample made me feel that it worked, but all I get from WF is the tingling feeling, which comes from one ingredient in the supplement, and thats about it.

[SwolenONE]

its official right now

NOTHING can match Methyl Mass for taste whether in tropical, pink lemonade or blue cotton candy. The new formula with creatine mono, CoP, pomegranate, resveratrol and more is unreal in terms of effects as well.

[bloodsimple1234]

anyone have any experience with Monster Pump?






formula looks outstanding....

P5P,MCC,alpha L polylactate,wms,Alcar,norvaline,ALA,Leucine,carbog en,caff,gluc,etc...




thinking about giving it a try.

[SwolenONE]

anyone have any experience with Monster Pump?






formula looks outstanding....

P5P,MCC,alpha L polylactate,wms,Alcar,norvaline,ALA,Leucine,carbog en,caff,gluc,etc...




thinking about giving it a try.

Peters been sprung on the Cyto line lately ;)

[Erick.Galinkin]

Jack3d is the best pre workout supp I've tried thus far. I've tried N.O.Xplode, NaNO Vapor (awful taste), GNC's AMP N.O. Loaded and I've found that Jack3d doesn't give me the same come down I get off of some of the other supps and it gives me just as good focus and pumps as N.O.Xplode (which is on par in terms of focus, energy, and pump). I'm still waiting on my White Flood.

I was also using just straight Arginine and Beta Alanine with decent results.

[TheHealthyDJ]

No Xplode is great. Dont overuse as you will build a tolerance

[CONTROLLED LABS]

The samples are good to test flavor, but not good enough to see long term effect. I bought into the hype and decided to try something different. Live and learn.

The slight tingling feeling I got from the WF sample made me feel that it worked, but all I get from WF is the tingling feeling, which comes from one ingredient in the supplement, and thats about it.
you got no energy from it? were you on any stims right before?

I'm still waiting on my White Flood.



looking forward to your thoughts :)

[bloodsimple1234]

Peters been sprung on the Cyto line lately ;)

always have been to be honest,however I really just got flat out tired one day of seeing certain companies/products get more attention then others.If they had reps on here,the monster pump would probably be pimped to no end,yet it would be mentioned a lot lol.

I bet if corn starch was said to give great pumps and was pimped a lot like some pre workouts on here,it would do great sales.

the "bro" culture has really become my #1 pet peeve.

[bloodsimple1234]

its official right now

NOTHING can match Methyl Mass for taste whether in tropical, pink lemonade or blue cotton candy. The new formula with creatine mono, CoP, pomegranate, resveratrol and more is unreal in terms of effects as well.

what is your personal favorite? I might give it a try in the near future.

I like CoP quite a bit and never knew that was in there to be honest.

[BuiltRight]

Ok tried White Flood White Raspberry flavor today. Stacked with Battle Fuel.

Mini Review
Taste 9/10 Very good but a bit of a funky after taste deff enjoyable.

Mixability 9/10 little bit left on the bottom of cup no big deal.

Energy 10/10 found myself motivated ready to go.

Focus 10/10 Mad tunnel vision all I wanted to do was lift.

Pump 10/10 Good vascularity and solid pump it was leg day and that's usually how I judge effectiveness of a product.

Overall 9.6/10 I will buy this product when I run out of my other Pre-Workout. Deff sold on this product. I will prob run a log soon. Great Job CL!!

Weights done today
Standing Calf Raise 3x10 205,225,250

Squats (light day went for reps) 5x5 185,205,225,245,265

Leg Press 4x5 405,500,600,695(PR for reps)

One Leg Calf on Leg Press 3x10 each leg with 600

Leg Extension 5x10 150,180,205,230,250(PR for Reps)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ok tried White Flood White Raspberry flavor today. Stacked with Battle Fuel.

Mini Review
Taste 9/10 Very good but a bit of a funky after taste deff enjoyable.

Mixability 9/10 little bit left on the bottom of cup no big deal.

Energy 10/10 found myself motivated ready to go.

Focus 10/10 Mad tunnel vision all I wanted to do was lift.

Pump 10/10 Good vascularity and solid pump it was leg day and that's usually how I judge effectiveness of a product.

Overall 9.6/10 I will buy this product when I run out of my other Pre-Workout. Deff sold on this product. I will prob run a log soon. Great Job CL!!

Weights done today
Standing Calf Raise 3x10 205,225,250

Squats (light day went for reps) 5x5 185,205,225,245,265

Leg Press 4x5 405,500,600,695(PR for reps)

One Leg Calf on Leg Press 3x10 each leg with 600

Leg Extension 5x10 150,180,205,230,250(PR for Reps)
WOW, solid review, thanks for taking the time to post it up. which other preworkouts can you compare this to?

[nalder89]

My turn
1. White Flood hands down! Just started it again after I took couple of other NOs. Raspberry flavor is pretty good.
2. No-Xplode - not bad, will def. go back to that supplement.
3. NO-Shotgun - the taste is horrible, pumps are massive, energy-focus is there as well.

SP250 gave me ****s and a bit of focus and some pumps. Went through 2 tubes will not do it again.
SMASH Axis Labs did not do nothing for me.
MRI Black Powder - just pumps, no energy, no focus
Universal Shock Therapy - very weak product, almost to the point that I had to eat 4-5 scoops to feel anything.

Still need to try
1. Jack3d
2. Body Octane (MAN)
3. Dorian Yates NOX Pump
4. Nutrex Hemo Rage

also try vasocharge, by scivation

[BuiltRight]

WOW, solid review, thanks for taking the time to post it up. which other preworkouts can you compare this to?

I would compare it to both Assault and a Stronger version of SP250.
This will be a great Preworkout to change things up I think my gains will be fantastic on this product. Quality is fantastic which I have come to expect from CL.

I relate it to Assault because it gives smooth energy that is not overwhelming, my stomach is easily upset by stims so this is great because I don't get sick. I'm done with Jack3d because of how harshly it effected my stomach after prolonged use I loved the gains but the discomfort was not worth it.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I would compare it to both Assault and a Stronger version of SP250.
This will be a great Preworkout to change things up I think my gains will be fantastic on this product. Quality is fantastic which I have come to expect from CL.

I relate it to Assault because it gives smooth energy that is not overwhelming, my stomach is easily upset by stims so this is great because I don't get sick. I'm done with Jack3d because of how harshly it effected my stomach after prolonged use I loved the gains but the discomfort was not worth it.

yup, glad to hear it. have you seen this thread about quality?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=117201151


all of our products with 30 or more reviews (when our other products hit 30 reviews it will show up on their pages as well) now show the seal which verifies they are made in a GMP facility (bb.com has in their possession paperwork showing that each of our products is made in an nnfa and nsf approved facility):

http://assets.bodybuilding.com/images/badgeQCP.png

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/help/qcprogram.htm

Question: What Is The Bodybuilding.com Quality Checked Program?

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[KB604]

So far I've tried SP250 and Nano Vapor.

1.) Nano Vapor - this was the first NO supplement I've ever taken and to be honest, that first time was the greatest experience ever. I think I took only 1 scoop but my workout was amazing. I had tons of energy and the pump was unreal, my focus was rediculous. I did arms that day and I felt as if my biceps were going to explode due to the pump, litterally. This continued for about a week or 2 but I think my body adapted to it and I never really felt like that again. It was still pretty good after that, but adding an extra scoop didn't do a lot more but make my body feel hot.

2.) SP250 - 1 scoop was pretty good. Decent focus, decent pump, decent energy. I so far tried up to 2 scoops only and just like Nano Vapor, it didn't do all to much other than make my body feel hot. There was this one occasion though when I took 2 scoops and had only 40mins to complete my leg workout, SP250 shined. It gave me the energy and focus I needed to complete 7 leg exercises (3 quads, 2 hams, 2 calves) in that 40min time frame while maxing out weight on both squats and leg press.

I'm sure my body has adapted to NO products and their ingredients like caffeine and that these supps won't ever make me feel like that first day with Nano Vapor . I am certain that the effects that you obtain from these pre-workout supps is highly dependant on the mental/psychological mindset you give into them and to your workout, and not just the ingredients. I need to find my MP3 player and get some music going on while I workout. I just ordered some MHP Dark Rage and Dark Matter, can't wait to see how those work out in comparison to Nano Vapor and SP250.

[Bearster18]

Can you stack White flood/Gm or GB with Animal stak? I'm on animal cuts right now but I take those servings real early usually the second serving of it is at 10am. Then around 3 I hit the gym taking my GB(at the moment). So I was just wondering if these all could be used together without problem. I figure you have to not take the stims associated with the animal Stak when taking Wf. Can someone help me out?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Can you stack White flood/Gm or GB with Animal stak? I'm on animal cuts right now but I take those servings real early usually the second serving of it is at 10am. Then around 3 I hit the gym taking my GB(at the moment). So I was just wondering if these all could be used together without problem. I figure you have to not take the stims associated with the animal Stak when taking Wf. Can someone help me out?

you can take the stim pill out of mstak. then you can take white flood with it

[AlphaBrass01]

you can take the stim pill out of mstak. then you can take white flood with it
Or if he's using Stak instead of MStak, there's no stim complex to begin with.

[Peter LeDrew]

Wait till Ultima hits bb.com!

We're talking about a formula designed by a MD and a registered dietititian who have both been involved in formulations for various brands for years... they were granted permission to formulate the best pre-workout possible without cost restrictions by owner Matt Palada... Nothing comes close to Ultima... quality, optimum forms of nutrients, synergy and knowledge behind the formula, listed doses with no prop. blend AT ALL! It does so much not just for performance, but for health.


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=120993431

These guys are real health professionals who take this seriously... they have family and clients who use it... I trust each one of these guys... you have a GMP product with the GMP logo on the label... It is such a comprehensive product that adds mental and physical health components... ingredients that are expensive and not covered up by cheap caffeine and other stims that make up the majority of most pre-workouts effects... this is real performance and real gains... it really takes the shelf space of 5 or more products.

Not everyone will understand the beauty of it all right away, but I urge those to research and read up... I have done so for 20yrs and never before have seen a product like this which is why I support and promote it, like all great products I tend to. Everyone needs to try this at least once... you might find you need less products with everything Ultima does and in the end, you will even SAVE MONEY!! 40 servings only on workout days goes a LONG WAY... awesome.

Ultima = Pre-workout creatine KING!

/Thread

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Or if he's using Stak instead of MStak, there's no stim complex to begin with.

correct

[cashbox]

What do you think about Dymatize Xpand Xtreme Pump ? I bought it few days ago and I get massive pumps ... What is your opinion ?

[Diesel-McNasty]

Labrada Supercharge Extreme gets no love in this thread. Its the best Pre workout I ever used... others Ive tried were White Flood, SuperPump and NO Xplode. Just try and get the old formula with the Humanofort in it. Its just a great product.

[Saint_James]

Always been a big fan of white flood. On my third tub right now, no other products compares to the energy and focus i get on it, i have to force myself to stop lifting.

One downfall is that after i have been on it for over a month, 4 days a week, my "crashes" become more harsh and i feel lethargic and just out of it for like 2 hours after i lift.

[441Forty]

NO Shotgun for sure.. You may have to literally shotgun it like a beer to get it down but the pump is f'n crazy haha

[brooks928]

NO Shotgun for sure.. You may have to literally shotgun it like a beer to get it down but the pump is f'n crazy haha
NO shotgun i like because of the protein it has, Also pretty good pumps.
Jack3d i feel like the boost is just a little more and it feels like i just popped some Niacin pills as well haha

[zeeko213]

im still stuck on getting vasocharge or white flood an suggestions?
pros cons?

[BxBombers28]

im still stuck on getting vasocharge or white flood an suggestions?
pros cons?

White Flood was just OK for me... worked really good for the first week and then I grew very tolerant to it which was disappointing. It also gives me a weird feeling after I get out of the gym for the rest of the day... anxiety type of feeling. Never tried Vasocharge.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Always been a big fan of white flood. On my third tub right now, no other products compares to the energy and focus i get on it, i have to force myself to stop lifting.

One downfall is that after i have been on it for over a month, 4 days a week, my "crashes" become more harsh and i feel lethargic and just out of it for like 2 hours after i lift.sounds great.

have you thought about cutting your dose down a bit?


im still stuck on getting vasocharge or white flood an suggestions?
pros cons?
have you tried a sample of each yet?

White Flood was just OK for me... worked really good for the first week and then I grew very tolerant to it which was disappointing. It also gives me a weird feeling after I get out of the gym for the rest of the day... anxiety type of feeling. Never tried Vasocharge.
what dose did you use?

[BxBombers28]

sounds great.

have you thought about cutting your dose down a bit?


have you tried a sample of each yet?

what dose did you use?

Started out at 1 for the first few uses, then increased to 1 1/2 and then increased to 2 scoops finally. Could just be my overall tolerance to stims... I tend to get used to them very quickly.

[zeeko213]

yeah i tried white flood on my leg day a while back it was pretty good i should of saved it for chest or arms though. and i havent tried vasocharge yet. will i build up a tolerance to white flood like i did to no xplode?

[Diesel-McNasty]

yeah i tried white flood on my leg day a while back it was pretty good i should of saved it for chest or arms though. and i havent tried vasocharge yet. will i build up a tolerance to white flood like i did to no xplode?

I guess it all depends on your tolerance to stims. I also got used to N.O. Xplode very quickly, same thing with SuperPump. Youll still get the pump effects but the energy aspect wont be as good. I take pre-workouts more for the energy than pump tho so I just started using Redline extreme RTDs, Endorush, E-pharms Clearshot Concentrate is really good for energy too. I feel like if your diet is good than you dont need preworkout products for pumps, theyll happen anyway. I hear Cryoshock is also good if you still want to go for pre-workout pump/energy product.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Started out at 1 for the first few uses, then increased to 1 1/2 and then increased to 2 scoops finally. Could just be my overall tolerance to stims... I tend to get used to them very quickly.
how long had it been since you cycled off of stims?

yeah i tried white flood on my leg day a while back it was pretty good i should of saved it for chest or arms though. and i havent tried vasocharge yet. will i build up a tolerance to white flood like i did to no xplode?

as long as you cycle off of it/all stims/caffeine for 7-10 days after each large tub, you should not grow tolerant of it

[Aric.Gant]

My buddy let me test his Jack3d for about a week. Good energy, focus, and tireless workouts. It's easy to drink and serving size is so small compared to others I have tried. Great results for such a small scoop.

Just got some Superpump. Scoop is huge and it's super sweet. One scoop is defintely not enough. Haven't felt anything from 1 scoop. Going to start 2 scoops, but a little concerned about the sweetness. Tastes like some ghetto kool-aid.

So far the edge goes to Jack3d for the simple reason I actually felt affects the first time I took it and the scoop size is considerably smaller than Superpump.

Maybe I expected too much from Superpump after reading all the reviews. If the girl lets me get away tomorrow I will try two scoops.

[ROBO-MAN]

Definitly USPLabs Jack3d. it is super easy to drink and kicks in really fast. Great pumps and awesome energy. Doesn't make you have to use the toilet right after taking it either.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

My buddy let me test his Jack3d for about a week. Good energy, focus, and tireless workouts. It's easy to drink and serving size is so small compared to others I have tried. Great results for such a small scoop.

Just got some Superpump. Scoop is huge and it's super sweet. One scoop is defintely not enough. Haven't felt anything from 1 scoop. Going to start 2 scoops, but a little concerned about the sweetness. Tastes like some ghetto kool-aid.

So far the edge goes to Jack3d for the simple reason I actually felt affects the first time I took it and the scoop size is considerably smaller than Superpump.

Maybe I expected too much from Superpump after reading all the reviews. If the girl lets me get away tomorrow I will try two scoops.
trying white flood next? we have free samples in my signature below

[kramerch]

I just started taking Jack3d on Friday. Started with one scoop and felt nothing. Hit a second scoop about 30 minutes later and felt a little but nothing significant like the other people have been mentioning. I was using BSN NO-Xplode but I stopped due to the stomach issues I was having. Should I jump to the third scoop of Jack3d to see if it gives me the effects everyone is talking about?

[LeeGroSwim]

White Flood was just OK for me... worked really good for the first week and then I grew very tolerant to it which was disappointing. It also gives me a weird feeling after I get out of the gym for the rest of the day... anxiety type of feeling. Never tried Vasocharge.

I get the same feeling. I lift in the morning and the rest of the day I feel real weird. I dont know how to describe it, besides it isnt normal. Kinda shaky feeling. I love it other than that.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I get the same feeling. I lift in the morning and the rest of the day I feel real weird. I dont know how to describe it, besides it isnt normal. Kinda shaky feeling. I love it other than that.
how much are you taking? full or empty stomach?

[LeeGroSwim]

how much are you taking? full or empty stomach?
I take between 1-2 scoops usually 1.5 depending on the type of lift or practice I have. Usually it is in the morning right when I wake up. I chug down a glass of white flood then have a snack bar then go workout. Right after I work out I have breakfast.

[velocityrob]

sounds great.

have you tried a sample of each yet?


Well played, sir. :D

[aj5forlife]

So far, I have tried the following pre- supps.

1. Jack3d by USP Labs- My favorite so far, the small serving size is great- no stomach ache before you hit the weights. Only downside is the lightheadedness (word?) that I got after every set, but such was quickly forgotten once you've realized the new personal bests you just set while taking Jack3d.
2. naNO Vapor by Muscletech- A very good product, only downside being the large serving size after you get used to one or two scoops. Great BA tingle and pump, just left me with an upset stomach that would last into the first third of my workout.
3. N.O. Fury by Six Star Muscle- A very good value, NO Fury gives you what you would expect from a product that typically costs double that of NO Fury. The serving size was smaller than average, and gave me above average pump and focus.
4. Black Powder by MRI- I bought this supp near its expiration date, so i dont know what kind of effect that had on its performance, but BP did absolutely nothing for me. Also, the orange flavor was disgusting.

[wrigley2123]

Gives the best energy and actually tastes pretty good. Can feel an near immediate change in mental focus and improved energy during workout.

[Earl_Pote]

ive tried jack3d, NO xplode, and a few others... and im still stuck with epic performance's 4-nitro. amazing product.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

those above who havent tried white flood yet, get a free sample from the link in my signature below :)
I take between 1-2 scoops usually 1.5 depending on the type of lift or practice I have. Usually it is in the morning right when I wake up. I chug down a glass of white flood then have a snack bar then go workout. Right after I work out I have breakfast.
have you tried consuming it with breakfast pre? that may do the trick. or lower your dose

Well played, sir. :D

tee hee :D

[Aric.Gant]

Took 2 scoops of Superpump. Had to mix with extra water, so I couldn't slam it. Tasted a lot better with the additional water. I was a little skeptical of taking 2 scoops on an empty stomach so I ate about 15 mins prior. After drinking the SP I started to feel nauseau. I did eat half a Chipotle burrito, so tomorrow I will try 2 scoops on an empty stomach.

Still just seems like way too much powder to be cost effective.

I will give White Flood a shot after I finish this Superpump and take a couple weeks off the stims. My brother swears by NO Shotgun, so will have to try that one out some day too.

[Chocolate-Wheysted]

i have tried N.O EXPLODE herd they got anew one havent tried it yet and i have tried superpump i get the best pumps from xero limits epo-blast has anyone else tried it ?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I will give White Flood a shot after I finish this Superpump and take a couple weeks off the stims. My brother swears by NO Shotgun, so will have to try that one out some day too.

cool, let us know how you like white flood. :)

[eyenstein]

I've got to say White Flood or Jack3d are the best. I'm almost immune to stims and these 2 do it for me. SuperDump has me on the John before I can go workout, Same with Black powder, NO Xplode just makes me anxious feeling like I drank too much expresso on an empty stomach.

Yeah White Flood gives me a crazy rush, hella pump too, Not so much pump on Jack3d but the energy and focus is all there. I did eventually get used to Jack3d and had to switch, that's when I found WF. So I switch between the 2 every other purchase. Wondering how I can fit OxyElite Pro in with these. Any suggestions with that guys?

[schwarm06]

There is no doubt BSN's N.O. xplode owns this catagory!!! I love it becasue it's effects are felt (for me) within 30 minutes of taking it. It gives me hours of energy and focus. The first time i took it i felt like i could lift a house, and it never makes me feel jittery like many others do. When I take NO xplode i know i will be able to stay focused on every motion of every workout i do!!!

[ajmcdonald100]

myoshock hsp stacked with hemodraulix combines to give both ridiculous pumps and energy. have tried all the powders and nothing really compares. if i had to go with a single powder though it would probably be superpump 250

[Dyce4545]

I like muslce prime by allmax ..its good cause it has no creatine in it which im already getting enough of from my other ones

[BB-Guy]

Superpump 250 > NO Explode.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've got to say White Flood or Jack3d are the best. I'm almost immune to stims and these 2 do it for me. SuperDump has me on the John before I can go workout, Same with Black powder, NO Xplode just makes me anxious feeling like I drank too much expresso on an empty stomach.

Yeah White Flood gives me a crazy rush, hella pump too, Not so much pump on Jack3d but the energy and focus is all there. I did eventually get used to Jack3d and had to switch, that's when I found WF. So I switch between the 2 every other purchase. Wondering how I can fit OxyElite Pro in with these. Any suggestions with that guys?

very true, these two are the new boys on the block in the preworkout category and both are very effective.

also, white flood is an amazing value per workout compared to the others :)

[eyenstein]

very true, these two are the new boys on the block in the preworkout category and both are very effective.

also, white flood is an amazing value per workout compared to the others :)

It is actually, I was taking 3 scoops of Jack3d by the end of it, Still on 2 WF, even took it while using Atrophex (7-8/day) and it was still effective. I was taking 8 iSatori MX-LS7/day (kick ass burner) while on Jack3d so I may have just stim'd out. I usually cycle off the thermos/burners for 30 days though.

I love that meth rush you first get from WF, I usually have to sit or brace myself and take a deep breath, then give that Hulk grin, awesome.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

It is actually, I was taking 3 scoops of Jack3d by the end of it, Still on 2 WF, even took it while using Atrophex (7-8/day) and it was still effective. I was taking 8 iSatori MX-LS7/day (kick ass burner) while on Jack3d so I may have just stim'd out. I usually cycle off the thermos/burners for 30 days though.

I love that meth rush you first get from WF, I usually have to sit or brace myself and take a deep breath, then give that Hulk grin, awesome.

the thing is 2 scoops of white flood is 1 serving (you get 50 of those per tub), with other companies you take 3 scoops and that is 3 servings, the tub does not last as long as you thought it would and it doubles or triples the price of a workout ;)

[nalder89]

Anybody have any input on Phenom Amped? Only thing that has me skeptical is the Synephrine HCL

[sanchezgreg]

phenom amped is a good capsule form prewo, with stims since most other prewos that come in pills dont have a stimulant in them. Phenom Amped powder is better then the pills IMO. My favorite PRe-wo products are as follows:

1. APS mesomorph Stim version- I add 5Grams of GPLC and the focus, intesnsity and pump is unmatched.

2. Plasmagen Nitrate- Stacked with Green Magnitude is awesome and you can add whatever stims u want or none at all.

3. Nutrabolics HemoRush- just started this one but so far its one of the best, its got GPLC, ArginoCarn, Carnitine Taurinate, Plus everything from the old Inferno product, 3 creatines, ATP, ANserine, Beta alanine, Agmatine Sulfate, and soo much more.

[naturalguy]

so may be this can be taken at night before bed time to do the nice things mentioned. but it is after all an "inhibitory neurotransmitter" and shuts down the mental firing. I don't want it pre or during workout. besides one doesn't need GABA supplement to do this. a traumatized worked out body naturally upregulates Growth hormone production while asleep. probably nice to supplement with full spectrum amino acid etc post workout. I have tried things with GABA ingredient. I was sleeping in a minute. just my personal bad experience with the neurotransmitter.

GABA is a good ingredient and best taken at night before bed as it helps with sleep.

[WarlordMalice]

My vote goes for White Flood all the way. I'm not a coffee drinker and don't often consume anything with caffeine in it so I've never needed the kick from it to get through a workout but WF definately gets me wired and gives the best pumps I've ever experienced. I'm not crazy about the way I react to caffeine so I'll be switching to White Blood so I can stay with CL for my nitric cuz I'm really liking the pumps so intense it feels like the skin is going to tear hahaha.

[Colossal Spoons]

Superpump 250 > NO Explode.

They're both my 2 least fav pump supps. I need to try Juggernaut next.

[Cyntil]

White Flood. Its not CRAZY OH MY GOD BOUNCING OFF THE WALLS HELLO BRAIN ANEURYSM like jacked. NO-Explode did give me a good pump, but it tastes horrible and is crazy overpriced for the quality of the supplement. also, i hate bright red containers. White Flood gives me clean and focused energy that is actually beneficial to my workouts. Also, every pre-wo i've tried gives me a huge crash later. Whether its an hour, 30min (no-explode), or longer, everything i've tried i crash after. I dont with White Flood. I havent noticed ANY sort of crash or even an energy loss at all, aside from my usual post-workout slight coma until i eat something. Also, its beautifully priced, and in my opinion, worth every penny.



edit: I was NOT a fan of pre-wo supps at all until i tried White Flood.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

My vote goes for White Flood all the way. I'm not a coffee drinker and don't often consume anything with caffeine in it so I've never needed the kick from it to get through a workout but WF definately gets me wired and gives the best pumps I've ever experienced. I'm not crazy about the way I react to caffeine so I'll be switching to White Blood so I can stay with CL for my nitric cuz I'm really liking the pumps so intense it feels like the skin is going to tear hahaha.
awesome to hear, thanks for posting this up? if possible leave this review in the review section of the forum for people searching for feedback as well :)

White Flood. Its not CRAZY OH MY GOD BOUNCING OFF THE WALLS HELLO BRAIN ANEURYSM like jacked. NO-Explode did give me a good pump, but it tastes horrible and is crazy overpriced for the quality of the supplement. also, i hate bright red containers. White Flood gives me clean and focused energy that is actually beneficial to my workouts. Also, every pre-wo i've tried gives me a huge crash later. Whether its an hour, 30min (no-explode), or longer, everything i've tried i crash after. I dont with White Flood. I havent noticed ANY sort of crash or even an energy loss at all, aside from my usual post-workout slight coma until i eat something. Also, its beautifully priced, and in my opinion, worth every penny.



edit: I was NOT a fan of pre-wo supps at all until i tried White Flood.

awesome to hear. most people report no crash with white flood which in itself makes it a unique proposition :)

[aj5forlife]

awesome to hear, thanks for posting this up? if possible leave this review in the review section of the forum for people searching for feedback as well :)


awesome to hear. most people report no crash with white flood which in itself makes it a unique proposition :)

Just gave your free sample of WF a shot- I know its not the most important aspect, but imo it tastes delicious- just like the bubble gum tape we all ate when we were younger. As for the product's effect on me, the single serving gave me the energy to get through a workout on that, otherwise, would have been a complete waste. In comparison to jack3d, WF gave me slightly less energy, yet supplied the same pump with fewer servings. Also, WF did not lead to a crash of any sort, nor any lightheaded feeling between sets.

[nalder89]

phenom amped is a good capsule form prewo, with stims since most other prewos that come in pills dont have a stimulant in them. Phenom Amped powder is better then the pills IMO. My favorite PRe-wo products are as follows:

1. APS mesomorph Stim version- I add 5Grams of GPLC and the focus, intesnsity and pump is unmatched.

2. Plasmagen Nitrate- Stacked with Green Magnitude is awesome and you can add whatever stims u want or none at all.

3. Nutrabolics HemoRush- just started this one but so far its one of the best, its got GPLC, ArginoCarn, Carnitine Taurinate, Plus everything from the old Inferno product, 3 creatines, ATP, ANserine, Beta alanine, Agmatine Sulfate, and soo much more.

where can I get some mesomorph? looks like it has a way solid ingredient profile

[BB-Guy]

Are there any long term side effects/damage for No Explode and SP250?

[Danger_Close]

Are there any long term side effects/damage for No Explode and SP250?

well i know when i take wf my bp goes up like mad. today it was like 160/120 20 min after taking wf. and regularly mine is 120/80.

so i guess you could have a stroke if ur bp is already high.

[BB-Guy]

well i know when i take wf my bp goes up like mad. today it was like 160/120 20 min after taking wf. and regularly mine is 120/80.

so i guess you could have a stroke if ur bp is already high.

Is it worth it?

[Danger_Close]

Is it worth it?

this risk of a stroke or the WF in general as a product?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just gave your free sample of WF a shot- I know its not the most important aspect, but imo it tastes delicious- just like the bubble gum tape we all ate when we were younger. As for the product's effect on me, the single serving gave me the energy to get through a workout on that, otherwise, would have been a complete waste. In comparison to jack3d, WF gave me slightly less energy, yet supplied the same pump with fewer servings. Also, WF did not lead to a crash of any sort, nor any lightheaded feeling between sets.
awesome to hear you loved white flood, the price per serving is also crushing the competition :)

Is it worth it?

you should stay away from all stim products if you have high blood pressure

[bloodsimple1234]

phenom amped is a good capsule form prewo, with stims since most other prewos that come in pills dont have a stimulant in them. Phenom Amped powder is better then the pills IMO. My favorite PRe-wo products are as follows:

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thanks for the kind words buddy! it sure does pack a nice punch!






~as far as powders go I do not know why I don't see a ton of feedback for Monster Pump.I guess it is still somewhat new.The profile is outstanding on that and I think I might just go a head and purchase a tub of sour grape very soon!

[BB-Guy]

Nitric Oxide causes high anxiety also.

[RippedFamMan]

Nitric Oxide causes high anxiety also.

I've never experienced that.

[rockeo]

all sounds good in here :D
was wondering if anyone likes "Shock therapy" by Universal - im looking for a N.O./Pump, Creatine & Energy product so, this seems to be a good choice! what do you guys think about Shock Therapy, any one tried it with good results ??
Thank you in advance - enjoy your week :cool:

[ROBOCOQ]

anyone else find anything cheaper with at least the same effectiveness of SSL Rush?

i'm almost done with my container and it still gives me good pumps on just one scoop. i really wanna try white flood next but i have a hard time changing what isn't broken.

[Danger_Close]

you should stay away from all stim products if you have high blood pressure

apparently even if you have regular bp they can still screw you over.


but to answer that guy no, its not. i will no longer be taking WF. If gone though like 7 tubs of that stuff (can i has a CL's shirt plz?) and my head always kinda hurt. But the other day i just so happened to have a stethoscope and a bp cuff. now that i know what it does to my body i wont take it anymore.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Nitric Oxide causes high anxiety also.
nope. link?

apparently even if you have regular bp they can still screw you over.


but to answer that guy no, its not. i will no longer be taking WF. If gone though like 7 tubs of that stuff (can i has a CL's shirt plz?) and my head always kinda hurt. But the other day i just so happened to have a stethoscope and a bp cuff. now that i know what it does to my body i wont take it anymore.

any stimulant raises short term blood pressure, as does exercise ;)

[rgc1279]

apparently even if you have regular bp they can still screw you over.

Screw over how? My BP spikes 20 min after taking it but quickly goes back to normal.

[psirolli]

I am striving for lean and mean, no xplode consistantly works well for me. Yes, when i'm half way through the container, I take a break from it for a week or so, but it still gives me a great pump everytime. My brother swears against it and says it does nothing for him, he likes super pump 250 and i don't.

[delusive]

Currently on SP250.. Seems to be doing its Job, However I still prefer VPX shotgun

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I am striving for lean and mean, no xplode consistantly works well for me. Yes, when i'm half way through the container, I take a break from it for a week or so, but it still gives me a great pump everytime. My brother swears against it and says it does nothing for him, he likes super pump 250 and i don't.

have you tried a free sample of white flood?

[nphelan]

Allmax Muscle Prime... felt like I was gonna destroy every machine in the gym

[ROBOCOQ]

have you tried a free sample of white flood?

http://www.dahmus.org/blogimg/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

[paki123]

White flood hasnt been that good for me. Im going to try Noxplode. Heard good things from everyone who uses it. Just expensive.

[bosco_]

I ended up getting USP Jack3d instead of going with the CL WF.

What a disappointment, considering the rave reviews for Jack3d on here.

I took 1.5 scoops the first day, it was ok, slight tingles as usual but nothing amazing. Next day I had 3 scoops, which made it slightly better but again nothing amazing.

This stuff has nothing on White Flood. The only other I might try again is SP250 but I found when I did the last time it was brutal on the stomach.

I've tried WF in capsules and powder, and it beats every other Pre-WO hands down.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

http://www.dahmus.org/blogimg/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg
sample link in my signature below :)

I ended up getting USP Jack3d instead of going with the CL WF.

What a disappointment, considering the rave reviews for Jack3d on here.

I took 1.5 scoops the first day, it was ok, slight tingles as usual but nothing amazing. Next day I had 3 scoops, which made it slightly better but again nothing amazing.

This stuff has nothing on White Flood. The only other I might try again is SP250 but I found when I did the last time it was brutal on the stomach.

I've tried WF in capsules and powder, and it beats every other Pre-WO hands down.
stick with white flood then, hard to beat and its among the best values per workout on the market.

[nastyimpulse89]

just bought jacked and used 2 scoops disappointed felt a little tingle thats it :(

[bosco_]

sample link in my signature below :)

stick with white flood then, hard to beat and its among the best values per workout on the market.

I would, and am looking at ordering some right away.........however it appears bb.com is not shipping WF to Canada? WTF?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I would, and am looking at ordering some right away.........however it appears bb.com is not shipping WF to Canada? WTF?

you can get it locally in canada or from other us websites :)

[Aric.Gant]

Been taking 2 scoops of SP for awhile now. I think it does what it's supposed to. I have had good workouts with it. Drawbacks are the serving size and the almost instant ****s it gives me.

I just ordered some WF so when I'm done with this SP I will give a week off and start with that.

So far I have tried NOexplode, Jack3d, and Super Pump 250. All really seem to produce the same results if taken at the right doses which varies with each product. I don't see any one product being the hands down "best". I still like Jack3d for its serving size tho.

I feel I use supplements as a reason to hit the gym and hit it hard. It gets me motivated cause I don't want to feel I wasted my money.

I think people have unrealistic expectations with all this stuff. I honestly would be freaked out if I took some product that made me super human.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Been taking 2 scoops of SP for awhile now. I think it does what it's supposed to. I have had good workouts with it. Drawbacks are the serving size and the almost instant ****s it gives me.

I just ordered some WF so when I'm done with this SP I will give a week off and start with that.

So far I have tried NOexplode, Jack3d, and Super Pump 250. All really seem to produce the same results if taken at the right doses which varies with each product. I don't see any one product being the hands down "best". I still like Jack3d for its serving size tho.

I feel I use supplements as a reason to hit the gym and hit it hard. It gets me motivated cause I don't want to feel I wasted my money.

I think people have unrealistic expectations with all this stuff. I honestly would be freaked out if I took some product that made me super human.

looking forward to your white flood results. I think you will love it and its also the cheapest per workout of all the ones you have tried :)

[bosco_]

you can get it locally in canada or from other us websites :)

not at those prices, makes no sense.

[TimLang]

Im almost done with my second tub of NO Xplode... Love the stuff but was thinking about trying something else this time around so i ordered Jack3d.. So far ive only felt most of the kick in my face as opposed to Xplode but ima give it some time. I might stay with Xplode after.. Still doing some research and debating. Tim

[ww2k7]

I've been using n.o. supps for about 4 years now and i've tried a few.

BSN N.O. Xplode - Started with this one in summer 2006. Used in regularly for 1.5 years. Worked great at first...After the first few months I needed 3 scoops and after a few more months it barely did anything for me. Apparently BSN changed their formula--their new formula just doesn't work for me.

Cytosport Fast Twitch - Started with this one early 2008. WAY more energy than N.O. Xplode. Sour Berry Blast tastes great. 1.5 scoops worked for me. To this day, Fast Twitch is the best for ENDURANCE. I used 3-4 tubs of this b4 I decided I wanted to try a variety of PreWO products.

Controlled Labs White Flood - Got a tub of this next. I had amazing FOCUS in the gym. Didn't get the pumps that I got from Xplode or FT. Didn't give me anything extra for endurance. From WF reviews I've found, it works best when stacked with other Controlled Labs PreW products (green mag/purple wraath).

Millenium Sport Ragnarok - I got a free sample of this from millenium sport's website. AWESOME experience from the free sample. Amazing energy and intensity. I felt like there was no limit to what I could do in the gym. I felt much stronger on the Rag than I did with previous PreWO supps. I went through 2 tubs of this - Blue Ras flavor way better than melon.

BSN Endorush - Picked this up at Vitamin Shoppe just to give it a try. Split 1 RTD bottle with 2 other guys I work with (recommended serving is 1/4 bottle). Immediately I felt lit up. Like cocaine. But after I got to the gym 20 min later it didn't do a whole lot for me.

MuscleTech NaNO Vapor (RTD) - Drank 1/2 bottle (recommended) before a soccer game (the other 1/2 before a wkout). I didn't notice any pumps/strength gain. But I felt REALLY good towards the end of the soccer game. I actually had more energy as the game went on. The wkout wasn't anything special though.

ABB Adrenalyn Shot (double shot) - I took one of these before a hockey game. I had great energy and endurance throughout the game. I still want to try this before a wkout.

Infinite Labs Juggernaut - Saw this one on sale at VS and decided to pick it up. First time I took it I felt like a monster. But like Rag, the first time was the best. As I went through the tub I found that I needed 1.5 scoops for it to work. 1.5 scoops Juggernaut = 1 scoop Ragnarok.

MRI Black Powder - My boss got some of the individually wrapped packs of these. I took 1 and felt nothing. He started taking 1.5 packs per wkout but it didn't work that well for him either.

Nutrex Hemo-Rage - My boss picked up a tub of this. Instructs to take 1 scoop for intense wkout, or 2 scoops to "enter the UNDERGROUND". I took 1 scoop. I had an amazing wkout. Similar energy and intensity to my Rag sample, maybe even a little more. I have yet to try it again, but my boss has been using it for a couple weeks. Now he feels sick when he takes it. I'll probably buy the rest off him after I finish my

USPlabs Jack3d - After reading reviews on what to buy next I had it narrowed down to Jack3d and Shock Therapy. I decided to go with Jack3d first b/c it's on sale at VS. I'm gonna give it a try next week.

So far:
FOCUS - White Flood
ENDURANCE - Fast Twitch (NaNO Vapor close, but I've only tried it once)
INTENSITY - Hemo-Rage (but I've only tried it once)
PUMPS - Ragnarok/N.O. Xplode back in the day
ENERGY - Ragnarok/Hemo-Rage
STRENGTH - Ragnarok
TASTE - Xplode Grape/Fast Twich Sour Berry Blast

Overall: RAGNAROK (at least until I try Jack3d or more Hemo-Rage)

[ToryRoberts]

Jack3d works better for me than any pre work out supplement out there. Every day I'm awake for my work out and I'm stayin focused at the gym the whole time. Ive been taking it for about 6 months now and I am still getting results too.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

not at those prices, makes no sense.

so get white flood from a different us site, there are countless ones out there

[bosco_]

bb.com has unbeatable prices, and I have had good service with them. I can trust that they will get me the product I want and I do a bulk order. I don't like ordering from multiple places.

Did CL change the ingredients in WF that bb.com won't ship to Canada?

[PuZo]

I'm going to be taking SP250 for the first time ever, never ever taken a pre wo. I am around 190 lbs, should I start off with 1 scoop and then keep adding half a scoop until I feel it at a good level?

[byrecn]

I tried WF and that green creatine drink (can't think of the name now) from CL...to be honest I wasn't impressed. It might have been because it was the pill form of WF. Usually powders seem better. At the moment I'm taking Animal Pump, and it's pretty good. Gonna be switching back over to N.O. Xplode after Animal Pump though...that stuff rules when you reintroduce it to your body!

[edit]

just remembered something about you guys starting jack3d. i bought it, tried it once, and took it back after my very first dose. i don't know WHAT the hell is in that stuff, but my workout was very, very unpleasant. Took it on back day...started with some deads. Alright my strength and intensity was through the roof. definitely felt the N.O. rush. Suddenly I started getting really shaky reps during my deads, and ended up blowing my back out because the stuff was so intense. (i have deadlift experience, I've competed alot and set state records). PLEASE try a small serving of jack3d first, lol.

[geneticcode]

Jack3d vote here.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

bb.com has unbeatable prices, and I have had good service with them. I can trust that they will get me the product I want and I do a bulk order. I don't like ordering from multiple places.

Did CL change the ingredients in WF that bb.com won't ship to Canada?

nope, their site tool for intl shipments is restricting 3000 products it shouldnt be and wont be fixed for a long time.

its still orderable as part of the stack on here and not restricted from canada

[ryanlsaunders]

Gaspari Nutrition's Superpump250. It's the only preworkout supp that hasn't eventually fizzled out on me.

[Altitude]

Gaspari Nutrition's Superpump250. It's the only preworkout supp that hasn't eventually fizzled out on me.

This product is giving me EXPLOSIVE diarrhea. It tastes like arse and doesn't mix well at all. My least favorite pre-workout supplement on the market right now, and I've tried most all of them.

[WeLustPapes]

No-Xplode

Just ordered myself another tub, should be coming in the mail today. So far ive tried Nano Vapor, GNC AMP NO Loaded, Hemo Rage, Redilne, RTD Hydroxcut Hardcore and Animal Pump. No-Xplode is the only one so far that has given me out of this world workouts. Its like i unleash a monster or something when i work out...i just keep wanting more and more. Haven't had any crashes or bad side effects from it either. However i would like to try White flood (requested the free samples), Jack3d and No-Shotgun. Maybe ill get around to trying the other stuff....but why stop a good thing, right?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

No-Xplode

Just ordered myself another tub, should be coming in the mail today. So far ive tried Nano Vapor, GNC AMP NO Loaded, Hemo Rage, Redilne, RTD Hydroxcut Hardcore and Animal Pump. No-Xplode is the only one so far that has given me out of this world workouts. Its like i unleash a monster or something when i work out...i just keep wanting more and more. Haven't had any crashes or bad side effects from it either. However i would like to try White flood (requested the free samples), Jack3d and No-Shotgun. Maybe ill get around to trying the other stuff....but why stop a good thing, right?

great, when did you request white flood samples? was it direct on our site?

[WeLustPapes]

great, when did you request white flood samples? was it direct on our site?

Just did it today...yes through your site via the link in your sig. Im excited to try it!!

[Eightpak]

Allmax Muscle Prime... felt like I was gonna destroy every machine in the gym
Awesome man. I have to agree, Muscle Prime is some good stuff. Also White Flood, Jack3d, Animal Pump, and Shock Therapy are among my favorites. Yea, I've tried just about everything :rolleyes:

[clunde]

Biorythm's Ssin juice.
Been taking for 2 weeks, ( 8 days in gym time ).
Repped 315 bench on day one, day 4 repped 345.
Standing cambered curl repped at 105 now 135 blah blah.
Working out like I am nineteen again.
All my lifts are up.
I have to tell myself to take the extra 30 seconds of rest THAT'S how wound up it gets me.
Whey and diet are the only other supps. ( I'm broke... father to 3 boys).
I've tried them all, except Jcked which I hear is quality.
The guys at my Nutrishop sold me on it and they match any online price.
completely different pump and drive than WF...and I'm a huge fan of WF.


I can honestly say, without a doubt, that if I'm lacking motivation I have complete confidence in this product to get me going,( probably the dmaa )

Here's the kicker.....I've only tried 2 scoops. They suggest 3.

I'm a skeptic, always have been, but this sh@t is CRAZY

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just did it today...yes through your site via the link in your sig. Im excited to try it!!
awesome, let us know how you like it when you get it :)

. Also White Flood, Jack3d, Animal Pump, and Shock Therapy are among my favorites. Yea, I've tried just about everything :rolleyes:

glad you are a white flood fan :)

[fuentejps]

guys hows white flood on the digestive system, ie. does it give the runs?

[Conner.]

Can anyone recommend a GOOD low price product? I've never used any pre-workout supplements (apart from creatine) so I figure it's best to start with the cheaper ones...

:)