Over 35 Runners Thread *Serious*

[Bando]

Reading back through the forum I see we have a few runners and aspiring runners.

I run because it's the one thing that just eats fat off my waistline, I don't like it but I don't hate it either. I'm training for a 5K on April 27, I started with a mile a few weeks ago and did 2.5 in 26 minutes today. My 5K time last year was 28:11, so I've got a ways to go.

[V-240]

My coaches just added running on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Kind of a riot for someone my size, but we're trying to knock some more lard offa me. Our first run (more like a lumbering jog) was a whopping 1.75 mile round trip yesterday. :cool:

[Bando]

My coaches just added running on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Kind of a riot for someone my size, but we're trying to knock some more lard offa me. Our first run (more like a lumbering jog) was a whopping 1.75 mile round trip yesterday. :cool:

Most couch potatoes our age think of 1.75 miles as watching a lap around a Nascar track and a reason for another beer/smoke/handful of chips.

Nice job lumbering that distance.

[Skidmarx]

I'm widya mang.

I've got a 6 mile run planned in the morning. It'll probably take me an hour and a half. :D

[V-240]

Most couch potatoes our age think of 1.75 miles as watching a lap around a Nascar track and a reason for another beer/smoke/handful of chips.

Nice job lumbering that distance.Yeah, this boy ain't built for running. But I'm doing it anyway.

[Bando]

Yeah, this boy ain't built for running. But I'm doing it anyway.

It's funny you mentioned that. I was on the treadmill today running in my usual style which I would call "busy scampering" when a real runner took the treadmill next to me and actually ran. I copied his gait, which was relaxed, stretched and confident. I found I could breathe rather than "huff and puff" and make some runners strides.

anyone can run, just gotta get the groove

[V-240]

Heh, well cool! But the biggest adjustment for me was running on a surface that isn't moving! Plus rocks in the shoes, cars beeping, and dogs at the dog park, which opens this week. The weather here has been great, so there went my last excuse. :rolleyes:

[strghtrzr]

Something I learned over time. If you get a cycle down for your breathing, it makes your running easier and injuries decrease. I read this some place years ago and it helped a lot because i was putting a lot of miles in every week. I would breath in on three paces and out on two paces. That keeps the inhales and exhales changing between left and rght foot falls. It sounds really stupid, but I will tell you, it helped. Also helped get my mind on how tired i was after 6 or more miles.

[dogguy]

I'm training for a 5K on April 27, I started with a mile a few weeks ago and did 2.5 in 26 minutes today. My 5K time last year was 28:11, so I've got a ways to go.

--I love running! I'm up to 5k also, but your time is better than mine. I expect to improve on that this year. :D

[CapitalJay]

Woot! Checkin' in here. I'm not what I'd consider a runner anymore, but I love to run. :) I injured my shoulder last year and the impact of running is a bit of a pain (literally) after about 30 minutes. I'm hoping to stretch that this year while I'm putting on more muscle.

Anyone racing?

[crupiea]

Running is alot of fun. You will get more relaxed with time. Just keep doing it and you will find a groove. At first try not to run too fast, that is a major downfall of alot of new runners. Slow it down to where you can talk in full sentences. Then you will be able to go farther.

After you get this down then you can start adding some distance and speed. You will be much more comfortable.

I lost over 100 lbs by eating right and running. The funny thing is that I am now training for a marathon and am so hungry all the time that I am putting on weight. It seems that alot of people do because the miles really eat into the food supply. But my weekly long runs are all over 13 miles and my short ones are 5 so I guess I will get used to it.

The lower runs, like less then 7 seemed the best for weight loss. Best of luck.

[runner05]

Something I learned over time. If you get a cycle down for your breathing, it makes your running easier and injuries decrease. I read this some place years ago and it helped a lot because i was putting a lot of miles in every week. I would breath in on three paces and out on two paces. That keeps the inhales and exhales changing between left and rght foot falls. It sounds really stupid, but I will tell you, it helped. Also helped get my mind on how tired i was after 6 or more miles.

This is very true, especially for a beginning runner. A good friend gave me this advice and it improved my abilities immensely. You really have to concentrate on breathing until it becomes very natural. Slow it down and keep it steady.

btw - I love this thread. I love running, although am only in it to beat my own speed in the races. I run several 5k's and 10k's through the summer, but am training for my first half this May. Currently I'm up to 8 miles on my long run, but increase that by .5 mile each each and run 4-5 miles 5 days of the week. I also hit the gym a couple of times a week and keep working on the ab and back ex's at home 'cuz I really am afraid of losing muscle while I'm running this much.

Keep it up! But... beware... it can become very addictive! :)

[namtrag]

Running is antagonistic to bodybuilding! lol

j/k

[ouprincess]

Something I learned over time. If you get a cycle down for your breathing, it makes your running easier and injuries decrease. I read this some place years ago and it helped a lot because i was putting a lot of miles in every week. I would breath in on three paces and out on two paces. That keeps the inhales and exhales changing between left and rght foot falls. It sounds really stupid, but I will tell you, it helped. Also helped get my mind on how tired i was after 6 or more miles.

This is true learning to controll your breathing while running will in so many ways.It'll help improve your form,your concentration, keep you relaxed,it helps with endurance,preventing lactic acid build up.... I personally adpoted breathing techs I learned in yoga and applied them to my running...keeping even deep breathing while running helps me alot. I find the most important thing to rember is breath deeply and consitantly.

My goal this summer is to break through the 135 mile mark. My longest run to date is about 120 miles.

[exguitarplayer]

Reading back through the forum I see we have a few runners and aspiring runners.

I run because it's the one thing that just eats fat off my waistline, I don't like it but I don't hate it either. I'm training for a 5K on April 27, I started with a mile a few weeks ago and did 2.5 in 26 minutes today. My 5K time last year was 28:11, so I've got a ways to go.

I hate running. I understand that is the main way to shed fat, along with diet. Lifting I love, running not a fan. With that said I do try to run alittle over 3 mi. X 5 days. Yes, I do the cardio before lifting but it seems I must get out and get it over with 1st or I will not do it.
I have posted pictures before of why I run outside vs. treadmill. Today it is now about 25*, this morning while running aprox. 12*. I ran outside, of course. Here on 3 more photos of my running route in upstate NY. It is views like this that gets me outside running.

[ouprincess]

I hate running. I understand that is the main way to shed fat, along with diet. Lifting I love, running not a fan. With that said I do try to run alittle over 3 mi. X 5 days. Yes, I do the cardio before lifting but it seems I must get out and get it over with 1st or I will not do it.
I have posted pictures before of why I run outside vs. treadmill. Today it is now about 25*, this morning while running aprox. 12*. I ran outside, of course. Here on 3 more photos of my running route in upstate NY. It is views like this that gets me outside running.

Wow!! I love your running route! I'm comin up meet me at the airport!! LOL

I love running and personally IMO treadmills are a design of the devil! I have a strong passion for my hate of treadmills.

[ouprincess]

Woot! Checkin' in here. I'm not what I'd consider a runner anymore, but I love to run. :) I injured my shoulder last year and the impact of running is a bit of a pain (literally) after about 30 minutes. I'm hoping to stretch that this year while I'm putting on more muscle.

Anyone racing?

I have never had a shoulder injury but I have constant problems with my left shoulder hurting when I run. Generally isn't a problem till I hit about the 20 mile mark then I can feel it start to tense up. I think a start to slouch a little on that side.

and yes I do race!!

[Skidmarx]

A good friend gave me this advice and it improved my abilities immensely.

I learned it in high school, on the track. Back then I was built for running, 6'4", 175 lbs. :D

I usually start with 5in/5out and progressively scale down as I get more tired and need more oxygen(4/4, 3/3, etc).

When I'm doing HIIT it's 2/2 all the way for sprints to keep me moving.

Hey Bando - I made my 6 miles this morning. I haven't ran that far in a longggg time. Had to come home and take a nap. lol

[Skidmarx]

BTW, anyone here ever experienced runner's high? I haven't. :(

Just wondering if it really exists or is just delirium brought on by exaustion/dehydration. :D

[ouprincess]

BTW, anyone here ever experienced runner's high? I haven't. :(

Just wondering if it really exists or is just delirium brought on by exaustion/dehydration. :D

Yeah,I get runners alot for me personally it's something that only happens on long runs and I think it's like an adrenaline rush. From talking to the other runners I think the more often you experience it the easier it is for your body to tap into it. For me (and people either experience it differently or describe it differently) but it's like an actually high at first and then it sorta settles in to be more like a daydream experience.....like sometimes I get alot of energy suddenly and very hyper then I settle down and sorta start to lose track of what I'm doing like I'm in my own little world and pericdically when it's over I'll just suddenly realize I've run anywhere from 5 to 20 miles without any real awareness of having done it. I have run to far like this and realized I had no idea where I was at.

[abcreations]

I hate running and running hates me. I did run a 5K last year and I know my son wants be to do it again this year. I just don't know if I have it in me. My left knee isn't so nice to me and I have a hard time breathing properly. I have noticed I do better on the treadmill than outside. I would rather be outside because the treadmill is boring. I can't run in the cold at all.

[dogguy]

BTW, anyone here ever experienced runner's high? I haven't. :( Just wondering if it really exists or is just delirium brought on by exaustion/dehydration. :D
--Absolutely yes! It's caused by Endorphins! And any type of "working out" can potentially cause them to be released by your pituitary gland. They give you the most incredible feeling of happiness and well-being. They are your bodys natural pain-killer. RE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin

[ohiobowhunter75]

I just finished 1 hour and 5 miles on the treadmill.I've gotta get some new shoes soon.My feet are taking a beating.

[Bando]

Hey Bando - I made my 6 miles this morning. I haven't ran that far in a longggg time. Had to come home and take a nap. lol

Nice!


BTW, anyone here ever experienced runner's high? I haven't. :(


I get to a stage where I feel like I've crested a hill, and the rest of the run will be easy, I hit that after like 1.25 miles yesterday.

After posting this thread last night I woke up today with a pain a few inches above my ankle that's killing me, running can be hard on the old bones. Time for real running shoes.

[Skidmarx]

After posting this thread last night I woke up today with a pain a few inches above my ankle that's killing me, running can be hard on the old bones. Time for real running shoes.

I also suggest stretching your calves out a few times a day to keep away the shin splints. It's easy to do on the side of a curb, or whatever. Keeps us old timers running. ;)

[RockgurlCT]

I always found running to be tough but I'm persevering with it. I need to use up some more calories. I intend on running a 4.7 mile race on Thanksgiving so I've just started training for that. I ran two miles this morning and intend on increasing that each day until I can run 5 miles comfortably. I do get runners high but only once I'm fit. If I haven't run for a while then running kills me. It's a learned passion. I bought a really nice Life Fitness treadmill last year because I live in New England and it's just too cold and too dark to go running here in the winter. I love my treadmill because it allows me to track my fitness, distance, heart rate etc, and I can customise all my workouts. It really keeps me motivated. Warm in the winter and cool in the summer! I put on headphones and just get in the zone.

I have definitely experienced runners high, and that's what keeps me running. In fact, I felt so high yesterday from working out I could barely sleep. I kept wanting to get out of bed and go for another run....at 1 am in the morning! Weird!

My highly recommended Life Fitness F3 treadmill:

http://www.debbieseymour.com/images/treadmill.jpg

[runner05]

I think it's the runners "high" that keep most of us running and thus addicted. It's kind of gotten to be a joke around my place... If I seem the slightest bit crabby, my kids will say, "Mom, I think you need to go for a run!" It's all in fun, but even they have noticed that I'm a much happier person right after my run.

[runner05]

I think that each runner needs to find his or her personal "groove"... that place where you're running YOUR optimal speed with YOUR optimal breathing pattern established. Once you've found it, you can run for miles just lost in your surroundings and not even feel it. And, I can now clock how far I've gone just by my time 'cuz I run very consistently when in my "groove". However, the treadmill... yuk! Boring! Of course, I still use it to get in my runs on these cold and/or windy days 'cuz I'll admit to being a wimpy runner, but there's nothing like running outside! It's so just much harder to run the longer miles and keep yourself entertained while running in place.

[bhaputi]

Howdy.
I consider myself much more of a runner than a bb'er. I run 25-30 miles a week right now, with that set to increase starting next week - planning a marathon in October, actually.
My first race (had been "running" 1-3 miles a week for about a year at that time) was in May 2005 - I did a 5K in 38 minutes. Finished last year with a 22:32 in November. I think at 6'2" and 210 at the time it we pretty respectable :)
My first 5K this year is next Saturday - definitely hoping for sub 22, as I busted my hump all winter logging miles (did 13.2 one day in December - call me dumb :p )

Glad to see there are some other runners - I know Wubby has done marathons himself.

Do you guys have specific running goals, or are they part of your BB training? I am aiming for a 3:45 marathon and to finish this season with a sub 21 minute 5K. Starting a new routine this week with 5 days running and 2 lifting. Should make me sleepy :)

[runner05]

Howdy.
I consider myself much more of a runner than a bb'er. I run 25-30 miles a week right now, with that set to increase starting next week - planning a marathon in October, actually.
My first race (had been "running" 1-3 miles a week for about a year at that time) was in May 2005 - I did a 5K in 38 minutes. Finished last year with a 22:32 in November. I think at 6'2" and 210 at the time it we pretty respectable :)
My first 5K this year is next Saturday - definitely hoping for sub 22, as I busted my hump all winter logging miles (did 13.2 one day in December - call me dumb :p )

Glad to see there are some other runners - I know Wubby has done marathons himself.

Do you guys have specific running goals, or are they part of your BB training? I am aiming for a 3:45 marathon and to finish this season with a sub 21 minute 5K. Starting a new routine this week with 5 days running and 2 lifting. Should make me sleepy :)

Those are some awesome goals! I personally just try to beat my own time, starting each spring. Each year I seem to do better though. I'm just really into it for the joy of running and I do the races to not only beat myself, but they are really a fun group of people. Gonna' do a half marathon in May and apparently they usually get around 9000 runners, and the party is HUGE, so it should be a really fun time!

[Bando]

Finished last year with a 22:32 in November. I think at 6'2" and 210 at the time it we pretty respectable :)
My first 5K this year is next Saturday - definitely hoping for sub 22 .....

Glad to see there are some other runners - I know Wubby has done marathons himself.

Do you guys have specific running goals, or are they part of your BB training?

Nice work, and nice numbers.

I don't get nearly as much pleasure out of running as I do lifting weights. But like lifting weights I like to set a goal and beat it. I like fitness and looking good as a lifestyle, running is a part of that mix. Nothing (for me) melts fat like running and nothing takes more dedication. When I run all I wanna do is stop - until I hit that plateau, then it's not such a nuisance. I'm short and will never be great runner but thats ok by me, I can outrun most people my age, even BB'ers.

My favorite runs are at the state park nearby where it's just me and the woods, if I get hurt a couple miles in, it's just me and the bears for the night, that's always good inspiration to finish.

[Skidmarx]

I'll never be a hardcore runner, nor a hardcore musclehead.

Just hopefully somewhere between....and a good athlete.

[dsharp9000]

i like to run; but really need nice weather and a view -- i dont dont run in the city or heavy traffic --- just cant do it --- nor can i do it in snow or cold --- but you put me in a nice climate and good scenery --- i can run all day.

[Bando]

a good athlete....

I'm with ya there, this is "newthreadworthy"

I can run, I can lift, hike, bike....

[louvullgirl]

ooooh a running thread! I am just getting back into the running thing after a stress fracture.

[Bando]

ouch!


ooooh a running thread! I am just getting back into the running thing after a stress fracture.

[ms_mac]

I have a 10 miler planned for today. I plan on racing a half in May. I love to run, but I also love bb'ing and competing. I think as long as you are smart about your food intake and such, hard earned muscle will be spared. The trick is to make sure you are eating enough the day before and day of a long run. Thats been my strategy all along and its working for me. I am adding muscle along with my running.

[antiquemom]

running is my favorite thing to do! Our kids have joined me as they have gotten older. And much to my surprise my husband ran a 1/2 mile or our 1.4 mile walk Friday. He has decided to take it slow and put it into his attempt to loose weight and get back into shape. As happy as I am with all of the company, I enjoy my 8 mile runs, alone, with or withour music, just me and the road / trail.

[ouprincess]

running is my favorite thing to do! Our kids have joined me as they have gotten older. And much to my surprise my husband ran a 1/2 mile or our 1.4 mile walk Friday. He has decided to take it slow and put it into his attempt to loose weight and get back into shape. As happy as I am with all of the company, I enjoy my 8 mile runs, alone, with or withour music, just me and the road / trail.

Speaking of kids I've been taking my kids out on runs since they could walk.LOL ofcoarse the taller they get the longer the distance gets.

I know another ultrarunner has 12 kids and his 6 year old ran a 5K with us last summer and he placed in the middle! He beat half the adults! :D

[bhaputi]

Speaking of kids I've been taking my kids out on runs since they could walk.LOL ofcoarse the taller they get the longer the distance gets.

I know another ultrarunner has 12 kids and his 6 year old ran a 5K with us last summer and he placed in the middle! He beat half the adults! :D

There is a local 4 year old that regularly posts times in the 35-40 minute range at many of the 5Ks around here.

[ouprincess]

There is a local 4 year old that regularly posts times in the 35-40 minute range at many of the 5Ks around here.

You want suprises me in all honesty is that people are always suprised that kids this young can run!! When did we start to think that kids don't run or that they need to be a certian age first. Seriously turn any healthy active child lose on a playground and that's all they do! When I take my son running I'm always suprised at the questions I get. He's 9 now so I don't get this as much but when he was younger people would say, "Isn't he a little young for that??" What?? It makes me want to say just listen to what your asking me.

[Old School]

My goal this summer is to break through the 135 mile mark. My longest run to date is about 120 miles.

You ran 120 miles Princess????? that is insane!!! How long did that take?

I used to run 10k 3 times a week about 8 years ago for about a year...I loved it and felt fantastic. Then I got plantar fasciitis, serious pain in the ass...and in the soles of my feet ;)...I haven't really been able to get back into it since. I do the odd 20 min run but haven't been able to stick with it long enough to get up to 45-60 min, which seems to be how long it takes me to experience runners high. I'm going to really try to get my time and distance up again.

Do most of you run in the morning or evening? When I was doing the 10k 3 times a week it was always after work around 5pm. I would like to do it in the morning before work, so I could feel the benefits of the run all day long as opposed to just the evening. But I never feel like my body is warmed up enough to go for a long run at 6am. Any tips for running as soon as you get up?

[Pretty Hardcore]

I have really slacked off on my running over the winter, but I plan to start it up again as I start my cut. I may even do a couple of races this summer.

[ouprincess]

You ran 120 miles Princess????? that is insane!!! How long did that take?

I used to run 10k 3 times a week about 8 years ago for about a year...I loved it and felt fantastic. Then I got plantar fasciitis, serious pain in the ass...and in the soles of my feet ;)...I haven't really been able to get back into it since. I do the odd 20 min run but haven't been able to stick with it long enough to get up to 45-60 min, which seems to be how long it takes me to experience runners high. I'm going to really try to get my time and distance up again.

Do most of you run in the morning or evening? When I was doing the 10k 3 times a week it was always after work around 5pm. I would like to do it in the morning before work, so I could feel the benefits of the run all day long as opposed to just the evening. But I never feel like my body is warmed up enough to go for a long run at 6am. Any tips for running as soon as you get up?


Yes, I did I've done several 100 milers, 120 is the longest I've done to date I'm hoping to break that mark in Badwater which is about 136 (if I'm execpted) It took me 57 hours. (which is not that good of a time)

I run different times but mostly first thing in thing morning.I like to get up at 4 or 5 and run when noones around.I usually warm up with yoga or stretching and a little jumping ..... jumperope or jumping jacks I find warm the body up the fastest.

[Skidmarx]

Princess, is that a week event?

[ouprincess]

Princess, is that a week event?

Typically you have 60 hours to complete a race before the clock shuts off. If it's a running a event. Adventure races where you have cycling and running ect typically give 48 hours.

[louvullgirl]

All this talk of running has made me decide to do one tonight!

Hey Capital Jay thanks for the reps! I will return to you pronto!!

[KimberleyRN]

Avid runner here, but the past 4 years I have not run as much because I have breast implants and even with 2 sports bras they make the run uncomfortable.

We jog/brisk walk instead... but I do miss my long runs!

[Bando]

Avid runner here, but the past 4 years I have not run as much because I have breast implants and even with 2 sports bras they make the run uncomfortable.....

When I started running I still had moobs, I never resorted to a male sports bra (bro) though.

[ouprincess]

Avid runner here, but the past 4 years I have not run as much because I have breast implants and even with 2 sports bras they make the run uncomfortable.

We jog/brisk walk instead... but I do miss my long runs!

That's why I don't have any... I've run them off and implants don't mess well with ultrarunning.

[Bando]

That's why I don't have any... I've run them off and implants don't mess well with ultrarunning.

Reminds me of a commercial that used to be on in NY. Two kids are walking on a beach and there is a fat belly sticking out of the sand, one kid says "what is that?" the other says "some guys belly, he must have lost it running."

If I see a boob while running, I'll let you know.

[ouprincess]

Reminds me of a commercial that used to be on in NY. Two kids are walking on a beach and there is a fat belly sticking out of the sand, one kid says "what is that?" the other says "some guys belly, he must have lost it running."

If I see a boob while running, I'll let you know.

If you do save it for me incase you find the mate on another day!!

[CapitalJay]

Typically you have 60 hours to complete a race before the clock shuts off. If it's a running a event. Adventure races where you have cycling and running ect typically give 48 hours.

So you do adventure racing, too? I have long thought adventure racing would be a lot of fun. (I'm sort of a recovering cardio-addict.) Any event that goes more than 2 days is just awesome!

As for the kids thing - I spent most of Saturday chasing my son around the playground (literally). He'd stop to play on the monkey bars for a few minutes and then yell "Run with Daddy!" and giggle as we ran a loop around the park. He's 2.5 years old. It's natural for kids to run. Some people just don't realize that running is part of being a kid. (Must be why it's so much fun.) :)

[ouprincess]

So you do adventure racing, too? I have long thought adventure racing would be a lot of fun. (I'm sort of a recovering cardio-addict.) Any event that goes more than 2 days is just awesome!

As for the kids thing - I spent most of Saturday chasing my son around the playground (literally). He'd stop to play on the monkey bars for a few minutes and then yell "Run with Daddy!" and giggle as we ran a loop around the park. He's 2.5 years old. It's natural for kids to run. Some people just don't realize that running is part of being a kid. (Must be why it's so much fun.) :)

We love adventure races! Tx has a lot of them and alot of different types. When we train sometimes we pick a person to map out a route for like a Saturady and then race each other to each point on the map. It's a good training method unless your me! (the one person who stinks at following directions! no one ever puts me in charge of navagation!)

Oh and I did this for my sons birthday party with the kids ...... we set up check points around campus and let the kids race to each on where they get an envelope with a clue to the next one. They loved it!

[nsavarirayan]

Hi All,

Nice to see a running thread. I do love running and did my firts race about a month ago - it was a 10K and i finished in 50.36. Of course I ended up abusing my knee which I had to heal over the last month. so today I am going out for my first run in a while - maybe stick to 3 miles or less. I just hope to dear god I have no knee pain!! But running in my opinion is the best cardio. and If you can run out of dors not in the gym you find time just flies by!!

[runner05]

Hi All,

Nice to see a running thread. I do love running and did my firts race about a month ago - it was a 10K and i finished in 50.36. Of course I ended up abusing my knee which I had to heal over the last month. so today I am going out for my first run in a while - maybe stick to 3 miles or less. I just hope to dear god I have no knee pain!! But running in my opinion is the best cardio. and If you can run out of dors not in the gym you find time just flies by!!

Be sure you're wearing a VERY good pair of running shoes. Using inadequate shoes will cause hurt joints very quickly. Unfortunately, I had to learn this the hard way. :) Start out slow and give your body a chance to learn what you're expecting from it.

[CapitalJay]

Oh and I did this for my sons birthday party with the kids ...... we set up check points around campus and let the kids race to each on where they get an envelope with a clue to the next one. They loved it!

What a great idea! I'll be stealing that once my son is old enough to read. :)

[IronCamp]

I don't call myself a runner, but I do run 12-15 miles a week. I usually do 4 to 5 miles on Saturday and Sunday. I don't run for time or distance really. I just say I am going to run for an hour and see how for I go. I usually run between an 11 to 12 min mile...very comfortable pace that keeps my HR @ around 80-90% of my max. I really enjoy it and try to take a different route each time I run.

[IronCamp]

Speaking of kids I've been taking my kids out on runs since they could walk.LOL ofcoarse the taller they get the longer the distance gets.

I know another ultrarunner has 12 kids and his 6 year old ran a 5K with us last summer and he placed in the middle! He beat half the adults! :D

My daughter is 2 years 8 mos. I have never let her run, but I do jog with her in the stroller sometimes. As she gets older, it's becoming more difficult, b/c of the weight. I did do it this weekend though. I jogged to the park, let her play, and then jogged back home.

As she gets older, I would love for her to run w/me, but right now, she wouldn't do it long enough, for me to get a good workout.

[antiquemom]

You ran 120 miles Princess????? that is insane!!! How long did that take?

I used to run 10k 3 times a week about 8 years ago for about a year...I loved it and felt fantastic. Then I got plantar fasciitis, serious pain in the ass...and in the soles of my feet ;)...I haven't really been able to get back into it since. I do the odd 20 min run but haven't been able to stick with it long enough to get up to 45-60 min, which seems to be how long it takes me to experience runners high. I'm going to really try to get my time and distance up again.

Do most of you run in the morning or evening? When I was doing the 10k 3 times a week it was always after work around 5pm. I would like to do it in the morning before work, so I could feel the benefits of the run all day long as opposed to just the evening. But I never feel like my body is warmed up enough to go for a long run at 6am. Any tips for running as soon as you get up?

I had some heel pain last year, I never had it checked out, I did not want to hear that it was plantar fasciitis! I would get done with my run and my heels would hurt so bad, I looked like an old lady walking around. I would ice when I got home, rest a couple of days, mild stretches, "foot circles" and my kids would rub it for me. I worked through it and have been able to get back to the long runs again.
I love morning runs, I have alternated through out the years. When I first started running again in 1997'ish I would run after the kids went to bed. We lived in a nice neighborhood, and I would run different routes that I had measured out earlier that day. When we moved here, I could only run mornings due to the restaurant, I had a morning cook so I had to be ready to relieve her by 9 which gave me time to run and shower after getting the kids off to school. Now that we closed the restaurant and only have the antique store, I still have a bunch of "Old Guys" that are here by 7am for coffee and BS, so I run in the afternoon.

[ouprincess]

My daughter is 2 years 8 mos. I have never let her run, but I do jog with her in the stroller sometimes. As she gets older, it's becoming more difficult, b/c of the weight. I did do it this weekend though. I jogged to the park, let her play, and then jogged back home.

As she gets older, I would love for her to run w/me, but right now, she wouldn't do it long enough, for me to get a good workout.

I didn't really start taking my son on real runs till he was mabe 5 or 6 but not like full runs like I would take him around the block with me while I warmed things like that...but before that I ment more like running at the playground with them or on the beach my sons loved running on the beach since was little.

[Hibiscus09]

Running frustrates me and makes me angry. :D

The longest I've ever run is 8 miles.

I participated in a 10K once -- the Cooper River Bridge run in Charleston, S.C. -- and it took me 63 freagin minutes to finish. When I saw the finish line all I could think was, "Damn! That still looks a long way off!" :(

I run slow. I never feel like I've become good at the breathing part :) and I've never experienced anything close to what I would call pleasant -- like a runner's high -- when running.

I want to be good at running. I want to be able to run faster. Every time I've given running a try, I suck, suck, suck at it. :)

My hubby said it's the only thing he's seen me try (athletically) and not excel at it.

That's why it pisses me off. :)

[claycat]

My daughter is 2 years 8 mos. I have never let her run, but I do jog with her in the stroller sometimes. As she gets older, it's becoming more difficult, b/c of the weight. I did do it this weekend though. I jogged to the park, let her play, and then jogged back home.

As she gets older, I would love for her to run w/me, but right now, she wouldn't do it long enough, for me to get a good workout.

I take my grand baby out with me (since she was 1.5 yrs.) now, almost 3yrs. She absolutely love it. I ended up getting a jogging stroller from a Habit for Humanity store for only $15, the best investment in the world. The balance makes it a breeze to push. It has hand brakes, stop brake and a arm strap in case you fall and the stroller starts to roll away and storage for all kinds of stuff.

It really keeps me motivated because as soon as I come in from work she is at the door saying "ready for a buggy ride" and once we are out it's " run gammy, run"!

I usually only do 2 miles but, even at her age she will get out and run with me or walk. She has walked the 2 miles with me with only a few stops for piggy back rides and she walks up the extremely steep road to the house every time. Children are tougher than you think. She says as we go up the drive " good work out" LOL. I love it. :) Wished they made those when my children were little.

[Bando]

as soon as I come in from work she is at the door saying "ready for a buggy ride" and once we are out it's " run gammy, run"!


Priceless...

[chrisbute]

Very cool - I almost thought runners were outlawed in these forums. I have run races ranging from 5K's up to marathons and everything in between including mud runs.

I'm about to trade in my running shoes (Asics Gel Evolution 3's) for a new pair of something much better. These were the WORST running shoes I have ever owned. Gel Evolution 2's were very good. You know a shoe is bad when they pull it after 8 months on the market. I'm considering Mizuno's (model escapes me) or Brooks Addiction.

[IronCamp]

Very cool - I almost thought runners were outlawed in these forums. I have run races ranging from 5K's up to marathons and everything in between including mud runs.

I'm about to trade in my running shoes (Asics Gel Evolution 3's) for a new pair of something much better. These were the WORST running shoes I have ever owned. Gel Evolution 2's were very good. You know a shoe is bad when they pull it after 8 months on the market. I'm considering Mizuno's (model escapes me) or Brooks Addiction.

I need some new shoes, as well. I love Mizuno's and will most likely go back to those. I am wearing some Adidas now and although they weren't bad for my 4 to 5 miles runs, I wouldn't recommend them for longer distances.

[bhaputi]

Running frustrates me and makes me angry. :D

The longest I've ever run is 8 miles.

I participated in a 10K once -- the Cooper River Bridge run in Charleston, S.C. -- and it took me 63 freagin minutes to finish. When I saw the finish line all I could think was, "Damn! That still looks a long way off!" :(

I run slow. I never feel like I've become good at the breathing part :) and I've never experienced anything close to what I would call pleasant -- like a runner's high -- when running.

I want to be good at running. I want to be able to run faster. Every time I've given running a try, I suck, suck, suck at it. :)

My hubby said it's the only thing he's seen me try (athletically) and not excel at it.

That's why it pisses me off. :)

10K in 63 minutes is quite respectable. You are talking roughly 10 minute miles which, if you did not train specifically for the distance, is not bad at all.
In all honesty, I can guarantee you that if you got on a good training plan, you would surprise yourself. I went from 5K in 29 minutes to 5K in 22:32 in less than a year....

[bhaputi]

I need some new shoes, as well. I love Mizuno's and will most likely go back to those. I am wearing some Adidas now and although they weren't bad for my 4 to 5 miles runs, I wouldn't recommend them for longer distances.

My Mizunos (Creation 8s) are pretty good, but I _loved_ my Nike Air Vomeros, but they discontinued them :(

My other current pair are Saucony Triumph 4s which I can only use on trackwork and distances < 4-5 miles. Otherwise they kill my knees...crappy shoes.

[runner05]

I have tried many different running shoes, but keeping coming back to the ASICS Kayano... I guess it's just what works best for me and I've finally decided to quit trying to mess with what already works for me, although it's a more expensive shoe. Everyone is different... Find a great shoe and stick w/ it. Buy your shoe whenever it's on sale and often times you can get last year's model or even the model from the year before that at really low prices - especially online, but - you've still got the same shoe that you know works for you!
Ultimately... Get the best deal you can in the best shoe for you.

[bhaputi]

I have tried many different running shoes, but keeping coming back to the ASICS Kayano... I guess it's just what works best for me and I've finally decided to quit trying to mess with what already works for me, although it's a more expensive shoe. Everyone is different... Find a great shoe and stick w/ it. Buy your shoe whenever it's on sale and often times you can get last year's model or even the model from the year before that at really low prices - especially online, but - you've still got the same shoe that you know works for you!
Ultimately... Get the best deal you can in the best shoe for you.

I would have loved to stick with the Vomeros, but they changed them significantly with the Vomero 2 - the arch is incredibly high and it rubs my arch, which is bad since I have a very high arch myself. Hate it when they mess with stuff....

[IronCamp]

I would have loved to stick with the Vomeros, but they changed them significantly with the Vomero 2 - the arch is incredibly high and it rubs my arch, which is bad since I have a very high arch myself. Hate it when they mess with stuff....

I have very high arches, as well. The Mizunos I had were good for that, but can't remember the model. I go to a runners shop near where I live where they watch you run and then find a shoe that fits you well. I haven't gone in over a year though.

[runner05]

I would have loved to stick with the Vomeros, but they changed them significantly with the Vomero 2 - the arch is incredibly high and it rubs my arch, which is bad since I have a very high arch myself. Hate it when they mess with stuff....

I agree... that sucks. Fortunately, I have been wearing my Kayano's long enough that I know the previous year's shoes will work well for me.

[Skidmarx]

I've tried New Balance twice(bad designs, get blisters on my heels) and Nike's(not too stable, rolled my ankle once). These were $100 shoes. They also made my ankles hurt.

On a whim at Sports Authority I bought some Avia's on sale for $25. I thought if they didn't work for running I could use them in the gym. They worked out great and I use them for both. I went back and bought 2 more pairs. :)

[ouprincess]

I've tried New Balance twice(bad designs, get blisters on my heels) and Nike's(not too stable, rolled my ankle once). These were $100 shoes. They also made my ankles hurt.

On a whim at Sports Authority I bought some Avia's on sale for $25. I thought if they didn't work for running I could use them in the gym. They worked out great and I use them for both. I went back and bought 2 more pairs. :)

Oh personally I really hate new balence I think the wear out to fast an the run big just don't seam to fit right...personall I love reebox. I find the same problem with nike's stability issues.

[IronCamp]

Oh personally I really hate new balence I think the wear out to fast an the run big just don't seam to fit right...personall I love reebox. I find the same problem with nike's stability issues.

Ditto on nike. Those were the most uncomfortable out of any I tried...even some no name brand that I bought, when I forgot my shoes at home!

[Gorilladf]

I joined this forum because of this thread.

35 yrs old, about to hit 36. 6 foot 225lbs. Last year I was almost 240. I'm a big dude that plays ice hockey and just started mtn biking last year. I never ran... ever!

I figured doing mtn biking and playing hockey would get me ready for running.... WRONG! Its kicking my butt! :)

I've already started working thru the shin splints. I do need new shoes. I'm hoping to do my first 5k this Aug with my wife.

[ouprincess]

I joined this forum because of this thread.

35 yrs old, about to hit 36. 6 foot 225lbs. Last year I was almost 240. I'm a big dude that plays ice hockey and just started mtn biking last year. I never ran... ever!

I figured doing mtn biking and playing hockey would get me ready for running.... WRONG! Its kicking my butt! :)

I've already started working thru the shin splints. I do need new shoes. I'm hoping to do my first 5k this Aug with my wife.

Stretch those calves and ice'em when nessacry. I mtn bike and i can tell you it doen't reall translate to running however the running will help your mtn biking.

[Hibiscus09]

10K in 63 minutes is quite respectable. You are talking roughly 10 minute miles which, if you did not train specifically for the distance, is not bad at all.
In all honesty, I can guarantee you that if you got on a good training plan, you would surprise yourself. I went from 5K in 29 minutes to 5K in 22:32 in less than a year....

Thanks for the encouragement. :) I'm getting old. :D


I have very high arches, as well. The Mizunos I had were good for that, but can't remember the model. I go to a runners shop near where I live where they watch you run and then find a shoe that fits you well. I haven't gone in over a year though.

I have very high arches and also have Mizunos. I definitely need the arch support. I don't remember what model mine are either.

[chrisbute]

I need some new shoes, as well. I love Mizuno's and will most likely go back to those. I am wearing some Adidas now and although they weren't bad for my 4 to 5 miles runs, I wouldn't recommend them for longer distances.

I have heard good things about the newest Mizuno line. I have flat feet and they make a model for that problem (Wave Renegade 3)

[5krunner]

I started running back in Feb. 07 and have lost 48lbs since then. I found that if I really wanted to lose body fat there is no better way. My diet has been clean since then too. I actually hated running before and now love it. I run between 3-8 miles 6 days per week. I also lift now 5-6 days per week and am finally starting to see some nice results. For those that are just starting out I'd say take it slow and just try and improve your times and distance gradually. Having a good pair of shoes is also key. I have gone through 3 pair now in a little over a year. I love to run 5k and 10k races, but only compete against myself and always try to better my own times.

[runner05]

I started running back in Feb. 07 and have lost 48lbs since then. I found that if I really wanted to lose body fat there is no better way. My diet has been clean since then too. I actually hated running before and now love it. I run between 3-8 miles 6 days per week. I also lift now 5-6 days per week and am finally starting to see some nice results. For those that are just starting out I'd say take it slow and just try and improve your times and distance gradually. Having a good pair of shoes is also key. I have gone through 3 pair now in a little over a year. I love to run 5k and 10k races, but only compete against myself and always try to better my own times.

Spoken like a true runner! I find my shoes will take me approximately 450-500 miles and then they tell me "NO more!" I have several shoes that look great, but just can't be worn for running anymore 'cuz they've been broken down. But, they still work good for every day or mowing the lawn! :)

Congrats on your progress! I also love the races and the atmosphere and only compete against me... I think most runners do the same. I don't know that I've seen a lot of progress w/ my running, as far as fat loss, but I think that's mostly 'cuz my diet has been atrocious and maybe my running has just kept me from gaining! Hopefully now, with better nutrition goals, my running will begin to benefit as well.

[Bando]

I found that if I really wanted to lose body fat there is no better way...

I hear ya, my best fat loss has come from running. Ran 5K today - according to the treadmill burned over 400 calories.

[Old School]

I started running back in Feb. 07 and have lost 48lbs since then. I found that if I really wanted to lose body fat there is no better way. My diet has been clean since then too. I actually hated running before and now love it. I run between 3-8 miles 6 days per week. I also lift now 5-6 days per week and am finally starting to see some nice results. For those that are just starting out I'd say take it slow and just try and improve your times and distance gradually. Having a good pair of shoes is also key. I have gone through 3 pair now in a little over a year. I love to run 5k and 10k races, but only compete against myself and always try to better my own times.


Hey 5k, how do you split up your running and lifting? I like what you are doing and am trying to do something similar. right now I am getting up at 6am and going for a run/walk and then I will lift in the late afternoon 5-6pm. I was worried that this might be to much. But it seems you must be doing something similar.

[5krunner]

I always do my weights first and then finish my workout with a run. For example tonight I did chest and abs for and hour and a half with very few breaks and then ran 5 miles. I tried to keep my miles right around the 7 min. range. I really wish I could do my cardio in the morning, but my work schedule doesn't allow it. I like your split, it sounds good to me! Keep up the hard work!

[Old School]

Cool...I will stick with what I am doing now then. I do really like the morning run...makes my day really. Man, that is a tough workout you are doing dude. I don't know if I could handle a 5 mile run after lifting, I always just want to down a shake immediately after lifting lol...but looking at your pics it is working great for you!

[Bando]

I always do my weights first and then finish my workout with a run. For example tonight I did chest and abs for and hour and a half with very few breaks and then ran 5 miles. I tried to keep my miles right around the 7 min. range. I really wish I could do my cardio in the morning, but my work schedule doesn't allow it. I like your split, it sounds good to me! Keep up the hard work!

I try to keep my miles around the 7 minute range as well, unfortunately my body is only capable of the 8 minute range...

As for muscle building workouts, I do have a little more experience in that area. I would advise against 1 & 1/2 hrs. I try to keep work with the weights to no more than 2 muscle groups and no more than 45 minutes total, including stretching. In short, get in, get swole, get out, heal.

[Pretty Hardcore]

When I was running before, it was mostly LSD (Long slow distance). But I'm going to do more shorter sprints and 5K's now. I never was a good sprinter, but I'm going to try. My fastest 5K time is around 29.00 mins - don't laugh, I know I'm slow. :)

[runner05]

When I was running before, it was mostly LSD (Long slow distance). But I'm going to do more shorter sprints and 5K's now. I never was a good sprinter, but I'm going to try. My fastest 5K time is around 29.00 mins - don't laugh, I know I'm slow. :)

No laughing here! I think you're doing fine. The only time you need to beat is your own. And, starting the running season a little on the slower side is actually a good thing, 'cuz you then have lots of room to actually see your improvement! Good going!

[bhaputi]

I am trying to get my 5K and 1.5 mile times down, so I did my first ever set of 800M repeats at the track tonight. I actually really enjoyed them. Long enough to not be all-out sprinting, but short enough to really push. I am getting over a nasty cold so I kept the pace slower, but finished each one in the 3:20 to 3:30 range. I am starting to enjoy speedwork - usually it has been 100/200/300M repeats, but these 800s are nice.

[Pretty Hardcore]

No laughing here! I think you're doing fine. The only time you need to beat is your own. And, starting the running season a little on the slower side is actually a good thing, 'cuz you then have lots of room to actually see your improvement! Good going!

Thanks :) I really enjoy running, and could run forever at a 10 min mile. I have never really done a lot of speedwork before so I'm going to work on that.

[Bando]

I am trying to get my 5K and 1.5 mile times down, so I did my first ever set of 800M repeats at the track tonight. I actually really enjoyed them. Long enough to not be all-out sprinting, but short enough to really push. I am getting over a nasty cold so I kept the pace slower, but finished each one in the 3:20 to 3:30 range. I am starting to enjoy speedwork - usually it has been 100/200/300M repeats, but these 800s are nice.

I like speedwork because I can bring my kids with me. We do 40 & 50 yard dash and to see them pumping there little arms and legs (4 & 7) for all they're worth is priceless. Also a good fat burner and leg builder.

[V-240]

Hehee, my sister-in-law saw me running with my coach the other day, and thought it was some sort of April Fool's prank.

:D rofl...

[5krunner]

I agree with runner05! As long a you're pushing yourself and getting a solid workout in who cares what time you are running. When I first started running a 10 min mile was a major accomplishment for me! Keep up the great work everyone!

[V-240]

Well, I'm still in the game! My third run of <2 miles and I'm still standing. Had a little trouble with lower back fatigue today, but a little stretching while grasping a light pole and gasping for breath helped.

Still can't believe I'm doing it. :confused:

[Skidmarx]

Today was a HIIT day for me, 3 miles. It's hard to do this stuff at 6 a.m. :cool:

[runner05]

Well, I'm still in the game! My third run of <2 miles and I'm still standing. Had a little trouble with lower back fatigue today, but a little stretching while grasping a light pole and gasping for breath helped.

Still can't believe I'm doing it. :confused:

Keep going! You're obviously doing well!!!

[Skidmarx]

Hey runners crew. I need some advice.

I'm running an 8k(5miles) next Saturday the 12th. I know I can complete it no problem, I just want to get the best time possible, hopefully under 8 min/mile. I did the same run today and I was 9 min/mile.

Here's my workout schedule...

Sun - Chest
Mon - Legs
Tue - Off
Wed - Shoulders & tris
Thur - Cardio(usually HIIT on the bike)
Fri - Back & bis
Sat - Run

I'm thinking I should do high reps all this week instead of going heavy like usual. That way I could do my cardio on Wednesday and have Friday off to rest before the run the next day. So my training this week would be like this ...

Sun - Chest
Mon - Legs
Tue - Shoulders & Tris
Wed - Cardio(HIIT)
Thur - Back(no deads this week to keep the legs fresh on race day)
Friday - OFF !!
Sat - Run

What do you think?

[Skidmarx]

Oh yeah, I work abs on chest & back days also.

[ms_mac]

Hey runners crew. I need some advice.

I'm running an 8k(5miles) next Saturday the 12th. I know I can complete it no problem, I just want to get the best time possible, hopefully under 8 min/mile. I did the same run today and I was 9 min/mile.

Here's my workout schedule...

Sun - Chest
Mon - Legs
Tue - Off
Wed - Shoulders & tris
Thur - Cardio(usually HIIT on the bike)
Fri - Back & bis
Sat - Run

I'm thinking I should do high reps all this week instead of going heavy like usual. That way I could do my cardio on Wednesday and have Friday off to rest before the run the next day. So my training this week would be like this ...

Sun - Chest
Mon - Legs
Tue - Shoulders & Tris
Wed - Cardio(HIIT)
Thur - Back(no deads this week to keep the legs fresh on race day)
Friday - OFF !!
Sat - Run

What do you think?


Personally, what works for me is not training legs at all the week of the race. Keeps the legs fresh and makes for a much better run.

[Bando]

Well, I'm still in the game! My third run of <2 miles and I'm still standing. Had a little trouble with lower back fatigue today, but a little stretching while grasping a light pole and gasping for breath helped.

Still can't believe I'm doing it. :confused:


Today was a HIIT day for me, 3 miles. It's hard to do this stuff at 6 a.m. :cool:

Argghh you guys are killing me, I had every intention of running today and opted for a nap instead.

[V-240]

Argghh you guys are killing me, I had every intention of running today and opted for a nap instead.
Naps are good! :)

[5krunner]

I would give the legs a rest too! If you really feel you need to run though, why not do a short run on your leg day early in the week?? Best of luck to you on the 12th!

[Bando]

Naps are good! :)

I hear that, day 3 of a 4 day rest after 4 months with no more than 2 days off. Eating, Sleeping, Healing. all good.

[Skidmarx]

I would give the legs a rest too! If you really feel you need to run though, why not do a short run on your leg day early in the week?? Best of luck to you on the 12th!


I should, but I hate even taking one day off from training.

I'll probably ride my bike for this weeks cardio, just in case.

[Bando]

Hey runners crew. I need some advice.

I'm running an 8k(5miles) next Saturday the 12th. I know I can complete it no problem, I just want to get the best time possible, hopefully under 8 min/mile. I did the same run today and I was 9 min/mile.

Here's my workout schedule...

Sun - Chest
Mon - Legs
Tue - Off
Wed - Shoulders & tris
Thur - Cardio(usually HIIT on the bike)
Fri - Back & bis
Sat - Run

I'm thinking I should do high reps all this week instead of going heavy like usual. That way I could do my cardio on Wednesday and have Friday off to rest before the run the next day. So my training this week would be like this ...

Sun - Chest
Mon - Legs
Tue - Shoulders & Tris
Wed - Cardio(HIIT)
Thur - Back(no deads this week to keep the legs fresh on race day)
Friday - OFF !!
Sat - Run

What do you think?

I think you're fine, I'm curious what you eat before a race like that. For a 5K I like a big fat bagel, something I never eat otherwise but provides plenty of fuel...

[sgt_eskew]

Well great to read about all the running that is what I use to do before my knee blew up hope to be back soon it has been very hard not to run heck I have had quite a few dreams of running. I was traing for my first ultra the Rocky Racoon and a few others. Wow great to read other ultras here and running Badwater ohhhhhhh wow. I have increased my own speed by doing interval training doing the 5,4,3,2,1 ladder and how do you do that you run a 1 mile warm up nice and slow then run 5 min at 5k pace then 1 min reat the 4 min 5k pace 1 min rest then 3 min at 5k pace then 2 min at faster than 5k pace 1 min rest then 1 min at fast pace then 1 mile slow run back. If you are running a longer race then do the 5,4,3 at 10k pace and the rest between is a slow jog to catch your breath. this is mo2c hope it helps any question just pm. Hope the best for you all.

Dave

[wubby]

I don't come around here as often as I used to so I missed this thread. Gotta admit - LOVE IT.

I spent 20 years being just a runner. I lifted weights on and off, but never seriously. I joined this forum 2 years ago to help me learn how to lift more effectively - to look better and run better. In 6 months I added a lot of muscle mass and knocked 10 minutes off my marathon time for a PR of 2:50. Taking the time to build my body has made me a better runner, and a better all around athlete.

Then I got sucked into the weights. For the next year and a half I still ran about 20-25 miles a week. But I took a break from competing in races. Every once in a while I have to take a year off from racing so that I learn to love it again - so it is not a chore. This time I took that break to build a better body.

I have had the runners high 20 miles into a long run, or 30 seconds out the door on an easy 5. For me what it means is an effortless gliding across the earth. I can barely feel my feet hit the ground, everything is smooth flowing - like I am floating along 2 inches above the ground. I push it harder and faster, but don't feel like I am exerting any more energy. I'll check my watch and find out that I ripped off a string of 6 minute miles without feeling winded. It is the search for those runs that keep me going sometimes - knowing that they don't happen unless I put in the time on the tough runs. Runs like that have to be earned.

This year I am taking the plunge (literally) and moving towards my long time goal of triathlons, but no matter what I do - I will always be a runner.

[V-240]

I've DRIVEN Badwater. :D But being a novice runner, I'll stick to my <2 mile lumbering jogs near home for now!

[Ophus]

Hi Everyone, I have read many posts here about shoes and about different pains, I wanted to share and experience I had that might help others.

I have a high arch and I'am neutral to underpronate I didn't know this when I bought my first pair of shoes. I went to the store bought the best fitting expensive shoes I found. Bad mistake, the guy working there didn't tell me anything about them, what I bought was a stability shoe. For someone who underpronates this is bad, I developed hip pain that would not leave, I would take breaks of a week, then start back only to be hurting by the end of the run. Finally I had to take a month off to heal, fortunately I did some studying on shoes and discovered my mistake. I bought neutral shoes and have had no problems since.

The other thing I would like to talk about is running style, shoes companies want you to believe that heel strike first is the correct way to run. Again this is not good especially for us older runners. If you will notice when you strike heel first your leg is extended slightly in front of you and is straight, when you strike there is no give your ankle, knee, and hip joint absorb all of the impact causing trauma and damage. If you instead run striking mid foot to front foot,(I prefer ball) then you will find that your leg is slightly bent and your foot should fall under you instead of out front, this allows you large quad muscles to absorb the impact and reduces wear and tear on your joints. This feels strange and awkward at first, but in a short time becomes second nature, I have much more pain free runs, since I changed to this technique.

Sorry this was so long , but I thought maybe others could benefit from my learning and we can get more people running with less pain.

[runner05]

Good points! Nothing is more important than your shoes... as I have also had to learn "the hard way". When getting into running, it's a great idea to go to an actually running store and have your gait evaluated and test the shoes on their treadmill before spending the big bucks!


Hi Everyone, I have read many posts here about shoes and about different pains, I wanted to share and experience I had that might help others.

I have a high arch and I'am neutral to underpronate I didn't know this when I bought my first pair of shoes. I went to the store bought the best fitting expensive shoes I found. Bad mistake, the guy working there didn't tell me anything about them, what I bought was a stability shoe. For someone who underpronates this is bad, I developed hip pain that would not leave, I would take breaks of a week, then start back only to be hurting by the end of the run. Finally I had to take a month off to heal, fortunately I did some studying on shoes and discovered my mistake. I bought neutral shoes and have had no problems since.

The other thing I would like to talk about is running style, shoes companies want you to believe that heel strike first is the correct way to run. Again this is not good especially for us older runners. If you will notice when you strike heel first your leg is extended slightly in front of you and is straight, when you strike there is no give your ankle, knee, and hip joint absorb all of the impact causing trauma and damage. If you instead run striking mid foot to front foot,(I prefer ball) then you will find that your leg is slightly bent and your foot should fall under you instead of out front, this allows you large quad muscles to absorb the impact and reduces wear and tear on your joints. This feels strange and awkward at first, but in a short time becomes second nature, I have much more pain free runs, since I changed to this technique.

Sorry this was so long , but I thought maybe others could benefit from my learning and we can get more people running with less pain.

[wubby]

The other thing I would like to talk about is running style, shoes companies want you to believe that heel strike first is the correct way to run. Again this is not good especially for us older runners. If you will notice when you strike heel first your leg is extended slightly in front of you and is straight, when you strike there is no give your ankle, knee, and hip joint absorb all of the impact causing trauma and damage. If you instead run striking mid foot to front foot,(I prefer ball) then you will find that your leg is slightly bent and your foot should fall under you instead of out front, this allows you large quad muscles to absorb the impact and reduces wear and tear on your joints. This feels strange and awkward at first, but in a short time becomes second nature, I have much more pain free runs, since I changed to this technique.


Great point!

This is the single biggest running form problem I think most people have. Almost every runner I have coached back from an injury has been a heel striker and has seen enormous benefits from changing their footplant. Whether it be knee pain, hip pain, or even back pain. Heel striking acts as a break with every stride and send the shock all the way through your body. Then you have to compensate by pushing off even harder the next step.

One easy way to improve here is to increase your cadence. Shoot for 180 steps per minute. With short quick steps you cannot overstride - every step is just pushing you forward. Again - this will feel weird for a while, but you will find that you are running faster with less effort.

[bhaputi]

I am not sold on the idea of changing your natural foot strike yet. I would think that forcing yourself into an un-natural running form for yourself would bring a better chance of injury. I am a definite heel striker, and am a heavy guy for a runner, yet besides the standard aches and pains so far have been doing pretty well. I fear that forcing myself over to the whole chi/prose or whatever it is called would cause me to not run "naturally" and possibly cause injuries. I am, however, definitely not an expert. Thoughts?

[IronCamp]

I am not sold on the idea of changing your natural foot strike yet. I would think that forcing yourself into an un-natural running form for yourself would bring a better chance of injury. I am a definite heel striker, and am a heavy guy for a runner, yet besides the standard aches and pains so far have been doing pretty well. I fear that forcing myself over to the whole chi/prose or whatever it is called would cause me to not run "naturally" and possibly cause injuries. I am, however, definitely not an expert. Thoughts?

I tend to agree, however, I do switch from ankle strike to toe strike (balls of feet) throughout my run. It just helps, when the energy is low, to run on the balls of my feet. The one thing that I gained from the whole chi running information I read, is to work w/gravity. In other words, allowing your up body to lead. Take a look @ how kids run. They look like they are going to fall over, b/c they lead with their upper bodies and let gravity pull them, while running.

[bhaputi]

I tend to agree, however, I do switch from ankle strike to toe strike (balls of feet) throughout my run. It just helps, when the energy is low, to run on the balls of my feet. The one thing that I gained from the whole chi running information I read, is to work w/gravity. In other words, allowing your up body to lead. Take a look @ how kids run. They look like they are going to fall over, b/c they lead with their upper bodies and let gravity pull them, while running.

Oh yeah, my stride changes significantly through the course of a run - especially as I get tired :p

I am tempted to find someplace that does full-blown gait analysis (video camera, etc.), but so far so good. I am worried that I will eventually hit a point where my old broken ankle becomes an issue. So far it has not been any different than my other ankle, so maybe it will stay that way.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??

[IronCamp]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??

Isn't it possible that some people who body build also like to run?

I train in the gym with weights 5 days a week. BUT, I also enjoy running. Is it not possible to have more than 1 interest?

I realize this is a body building site, but what is the harm in discussing running. If you prefer to not read about it, don't access the thread. It causes no harm to the site or anyone on the site, to have a running thread on here.

[bhaputi]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??

Come on baldie - no one forced you to look in here.
Search for "fitness forum" on google - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fitness+forum&btnG=Google+Search - what is the first link? This site. Who controls that? Ryan. So bitch to him if you do not like what is being discussed in a thread that you are not forced to click on.

I realize you are a very old school bber, and I give you mad props for that, but if you had a forum for just serious bber types, there would be like 6 of you in here talking. This has become a forum that is about the wholeness of fitness, including bodybuilding, running, and other things.

Can't we all just get along?

[Ophus]

If you guys are interested you can do a search on Gordon Pirie you will find a free ebook, this is where I first learned of good running technique, that will extend your running years. It goes into great detail on why we should not strike heel first.

[Ophus]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??

Running is a tool that helps me achieve my body building goals, if we can help each other become better runners, then I see that as one step closer to my body building goals. Seems simple to me.

[bhaputi]

Let me clarify - I was not meaning to infer that people here are not seriously building their bodies, I really meant more along the lines of competitive. Not many here will ever compete, rather they will use weights as one component of a fit lifestyle.

[bhaputi]

I've DRIVEN Badwater. :D But being a novice runner, I'll stick to my <2 mile lumbering jogs near home for now!

Just remember, everyone starts somewhere. I was just shy of 300 when I started walking/jogging a 2.25 mile course by my house. 6-7 years later and I am running anywhere from 5-13 miles in training. I love it :)

[V-240]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??
For me, I'm using my short runs to help sculpt my body into something that resembles a bodybuilder's. My lumbering jogs are helping knock off the fat that is hindering that goal. Then I'm in the weight room 3x a week on my program that includes a lot of farmers deads, bench and all the basic mass builders.

I figure if I keep running, by the time I get to Argentina, I'll look like Mike Mentzer. :) (Yeah, right...)

[wubby]

I am not sold on the idea of changing your natural foot strike yet. I would think that forcing yourself into an un-natural running form for yourself would bring a better chance of injury. I am a definite heel striker, and am a heavy guy for a runner, yet besides the standard aches and pains so far have been doing pretty well. I fear that forcing myself over to the whole chi/prose or whatever it is called would cause me to not run "naturally" and possibly cause injuries. I am, however, definitely not an expert. Thoughts?

I think the real question is what is your natural footstrike? What really is natural? Is your current footstrike really optimal - or is it the result of a life-long adaptation to walking/sitting/etc. Maybe it is the result of imbalanced or tight muscles that force you into a certain gait. Most of us have forgotten how to run properly. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that they can just go out and run. And that the way their body moves is the right way to do it. Form is very important. Granted - you may have adapted to that style enough that you can get by without injury for a while. But just think how much further, faster, or longer you can run if you get all the variables just right. I would never tell you to change what you are doing - but to consider the possibility that you may be limiting your potential. Try something new for a couple weeks - you never know what you may find out about yourself.

Just like lifting weights ... my first and most natural way to pick something up is far from the correct form for picking up a big heavy bar with weights on it.

[wubby]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??

Even though I think it is implied in the title - perhaps we can just get O/T added to the title to help people filter.

[bhaputi]

I think the real question is what is your natural footstrike? What really is natural? Is your current footstrike really optimal - or is it the result of a life-long adaptation to walking/sitting/etc. Maybe it is the result of imbalanced or tight muscles that force you into a certain gait. Most of us have forgotten how to run properly. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that they can just go out and run. And that the way their body moves is the right way to do it. Form is very important. Granted - you may have adapted to that style enough that you can get by without injury for a while. But just think how much further, faster, or longer you can run if you get all the variables just right. I would never tell you to change what you are doing - but to consider the possibility that you may be limiting your potential. Try something new for a couple weeks - you never know what you may find out about yourself.

Just like lifting weights ... my first and most natural way to pick something up is far from the correct form for picking up a big heavy bar with weights on it.

You may very well be correct. To be honest, I have never really looked into chi/prose running. I may do that eventually.

[Ophus]

I think the real question is what is your natural footstrike? What really is natural? Is your current footstrike really optimal - or is it the result of a life-long adaptation to walking/sitting/etc. Maybe it is the result of imbalanced or tight muscles that force you into a certain gait. Most of us have forgotten how to run properly. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that they can just go out and run. And that the way their body moves is the right way to do it. Form is very important. Granted - you may have adapted to that style enough that you can get by without injury for a while. But just think how much further, faster, or longer you can run if you get all the variables just right. I would never tell you to change what you are doing - but to consider the possibility that you may be limiting your potential. Try something new for a couple weeks - you never know what you may find out about yourself.

Just like lifting weights ... my first and most natural way to pick something up is far from the correct form for picking up a big heavy bar with weights on it.

I just came back from a run and tried to go back to heel strike first(just for curiosity), it seems so unnatural now and absolutely jars my teeth out. It's hard to believe I used to run this way and that now it feels so wrong, kinda like when I switched to fore foot strike felt so wrong in the beginning.

I credit the change in shoes and changing to this method of running for getting over my hip injury, I just couldn't run with the amount of stress that heel strike puts on the joints.

[Bando]

For me, I'm using my short runs to help sculpt my body into something that resembles a bodybuilder's.

Same here, that's why I started this thread. I run because it's the one thing that just eats fat off my waistline, I don't like it but I don't hate it either. I'm training for a 5K on April 27...

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Bhaput...Lately there are so freakin many OT threads on kids, dogs, cats, weather, mother in laws, music, movies....etc. etc. that I looked in here curious why so many posts. I guess I'm really old school with my thoughts on running. I will go into my corner of the Bodybuilding world that still believes "adding" lean muscle mass to our ever catabolic aging bodies is what Body "BUILDING" is about.

Obviously I am in the minority. The culture of amature Bodybuilding is apparantly changing as are our National values. We old school cogers are just fodder in the Darwinian scheme of things. A fart in the hurricane of time.

Keep on running. Why not. Run that muscle right off your frame. At least your most important muscle is worked...the heart.

I refuse to run, eat soy or sit down to pee.

[IronCamp]

Bhaput...Lately there are so freakin many OT threads on kids, dogs, cats, weather, mother in laws, music, movies....etc. etc. that I looked in here curious why so many posts. I guess I'm really old school with my thoughts on running. I will go into my corner of the Bodybuilding world that still believes "adding" lean muscle mass to our ever catabolic aging bodies is what Body "BUILDING" is about.

Obviously I am in the minority. The culture of amature Bodybuilding is apparantly changing as are our National values. We old school cogers are just fodder in the Darwinian scheme of things. A fart in the hurricane of time.

Keep on running. Why not. Run that muscle right off your frame. At least your most important muscle is worked...the heart.

I refuse to run, eat soy or sit down to pee.

Not all runners will lose muscle. I have manged to decrease my BF 8%, without losing any weight in the process. I added approximately 10 lbs of LBM since August, all while using running as my cardio. Everybody's body is different and responds to things differently.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Hi Mac...

I have trained several BB champions, male and female, over the years. Under my program you train so freaking hard, heavy and reps, that you would never consider running. Outdoor activities are limited to wind sprints with a weight vest, car pushing, and/or sled pulling. You leave the gym with the whoop whoops and lookin for your mommy for comfort. My men come in at 3-5% and the ladies 5-7%.

But what the hey....if it works for you.

[V-240]

Ooh, car pushes. I forgot that in my earlier post! I do them with a Chevy Tahoe, may soon upgrade to pushing a gi-normous double-cab Ford truck. :D

LOL @ "A fart in the hurricane of time." You are so much more than that, Baldie. Thanks for all you do here, or sometimes TRY to do. Appreciated!

[Bando]

Ooh, car pushes. I forgot that in my earlier post! I do them with a Chevy Tahoe, may soon upgrade to pushing a gi-normous double-cab Ford truck

Funny...I had to drop off my car for inspection a few miles away from the house tonight and didn't have a ride back, so I wore my running clothes and ran back.

If gas keeps going up I'll be using the car for exercise and jogging to the store for my food.

[Skidmarx]

Baldie - all I know is I'm stronger, leaner(21 lbs), and more muscular after 8 solid months of weight training and cardio. Running has been part of that.

:cool:

[bhaputi]

Bhaput...Lately there are so freakin many OT threads on kids, dogs, cats, weather, mother in laws, music, movies....etc. etc. that I looked in here curious why so many posts. I guess I'm really old school with my thoughts on running. I will go into my corner of the Bodybuilding world that still believes "adding" lean muscle mass to our ever catabolic aging bodies is what Body "BUILDING" is about.

Obviously I am in the minority. The culture of amature Bodybuilding is apparantly changing as are our National values. We old school cogers are just fodder in the Darwinian scheme of things. A fart in the hurricane of time.

Keep on running. Why not. Run that muscle right off your frame. At least your most important muscle is worked...the heart.

I refuse to run, eat soy or sit down to pee.

I also refuse to sit to pee, and soy has never been my thing ;)
I fully understand what you mean, and I respect your viewpoint, however I am not a bodybuilder, and never will be, so I cannot say that the goals you discuss are the same as mine.
And yes, there are other forums, but none that contain such a well-rounded group of people that are quite helpful to each other. I belong to a "running only" forum also and any time weights are mentioned there you get the whole "what, add muscle to slow you down?" attitude from several people.
Again, I respect what you have done and continue to do, and I will snag what knowledge I can from you and others to apply to my own plan :D

[wubby]

I also refuse to sit to pee, and soy has never been my thing ;)
I fully understand what you mean, and I respect your viewpoint, however I am not a bodybuilder, and never will be, so I cannot say that the goals you discuss are the same as mine.
And yes, there are other forums, but none that contain such a well-rounded group of people that are quite helpful to each other. I belong to a "running only" forum also and any time weights are mentioned there you get the whole "what, add muscle to slow you down?" attitude from several people.
Again, I respect what you have done and continue to do, and I will snag what knowledge I can from you and others to apply to my own plan :D

x2 on all points.

I have also been shunned by some of the guys in my local running community for adding "useless" muscle. Although I have gotten a lot more second looks from the ladies in the local running community due to this "useless" muscle ... that's a net gain in my book.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

I can't believe I'm still in here. I will wear a wig so the ghosts of Steve Reeves and George Eifferman don't haunt me. Anyway, I ventured into Runners World and searched all over looking to see what they think of lets say....squats, bench, pulldowns, military press....you know, the things that give you a little pec, delt, V taper, thigh sweep and those manly (or girlie) glutes. Those bodyparts that you check out in your mirror from time to time....or is that "another magazine" (Forum)?

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-263--7522-1-2X4X5-4,00.html

[IR45N]

With all respect to Bando, this gets five pages & another post down about preacher curls gets five responses; two from the OP. Doesn't seem right but just my 1c.

No disrespect Bando!

[IronCamp]

Hi Mac...

I have trained several BB champions, male and female, over the years. Under my program you train so freaking hard, heavy and reps, that you would never consider running. Outdoor activities are limited to wind sprints with a weight vest, car pushing, and/or sled pulling. You leave the gym with the whoop whoops and lookin for your mommy for comfort. My men come in at 3-5% and the ladies 5-7%.

But what the hey....if it works for you.

I'm not trying to start an argument nor am I questioning your skills/accomplishments in training bbers. I am merely pointing out that it is possible to run, while bbing and still put on muscle. I am not training for a competition, so my goals differ from a bber who is competing. However, I train hard and heavy in the gym and I also run for cardio.

[IronCamp]

I can't believe I'm still in here. I will wear a wig so the ghosts of Steve Reeves and George Eifferman don't haunt me. Anyway, I ventured into Runners World and searched all over looking to see what they think of lets say....squats, bench, pulldowns, military press....you know, the things that give you a little pec, delt, V taper, thigh sweep and those manly (or girlie) glutes. Those bodyparts that you check out in your mirror from time to time....or is that "another magazine" (Forum)?

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-263--7522-1-2X4X5-4,00.html

You are generalizing. Just b/c someone enjoys running does not mean that they also don't like to lift heavy weights and have muscle. I have never been thin like a runner and actually prefer to have muscle. You can see from my pics, that I am not built like a runner and actually carry quite a bit LBM. I am working on getting the BF% even lower, but not at the cost of sacrificing muscle.

[Bando]

With all respect to Bando, this gets five pages & another post down about preacher curls gets five responses; two from the OP. Doesn't seem right but just my 1c.

No disrespect Bando!

OK I replied to the preacher curl thread, hope that makes it better..

[wubby]

Sort of related and just wanted to share...

I met a woman from Canada a couple weeks ago while on vacation in Jamaica. She had to be the most fit woman I have ever met. She was in her mid 50's with an incredible body. She had an incredibly low body fat and a level of LBM that 95% of the women here would probably kill for. I'd swear she had just stepped off of a stage. She has run over 250 marathons and now runs mostly ultra marathons. She also happened to be fun and fascinating to talk to - so no, we did not hang out with her just because she was hot :D

This woman was a perfect example showing that we can have it all if we really want it and have the drive to go for it.

(oh, and for the women with questions a few pages back about implants ... they did not seem to slow down this woman)

[IR45N]

OK I replied to the preacher curl thread, hope that makes it better..

and you're right on the reverse preachers!:)

[5krunner]

Although this is a BB site I love the fact that an over 35 runners thread can be so popular...kudos to Bando for starting it! I have gained so much inspiration and valuable information on here it's amazing! I think that a lot of us have the same motivation and that is to get fit and live a health lifestyle.For some cardio isn't the answer and for the rest of us it is. I wish at times that I could quit running and just lift weights, but remind myself the benefit my overall health is getting by doing cardio. So whatever your motive might be keeping posting and working hard, I enjoy reading what all of you have to say!

[Ophus]

Although this is a BB site I love the fact that an over 35 runners thread can be so popular...kudos to Bando for starting it! I have gained so much inspiration and valuable information on here it's amazing! I think that a lot of us have the same motivation and that is to get fit and live a health lifestyle.For some cardio isn't the answer and for the rest of us it is. I wish at times that I could quit running and just lift weights, but remind myself the benefit my overall health is getting by doing cardio. So whatever your motive might be keeping posting and working hard, I enjoy reading what all of you have to say!

Hey 5k sure doesn't look like running is hurting your LBM!

[Bando]

Although this is a BB site I love the fact that an over 35 runners thread can be so popular...kudos to Bando for starting it! I have gained so much inspiration and valuable information on here it's amazing! I think that a lot of us have the same motivation and that is to get fit and live a health lifestyle.For some cardio isn't the answer and for the rest of us it is. I wish at times that I could quit running and just lift weights, but remind myself the benefit my overall health is getting by doing cardio. So whatever your motive might be keeping posting and working hard, I enjoy reading what all of you have to say!

This thread inspired me run a 29 minute 5K on my lunch break. Have to shave off another minute and a half over the next 17 days.

[Skidmarx]

Looks like I'll have a wet 8k Saturday. :(

[Pretty Hardcore]

This thread inspired me run a 29 minute 5K on my lunch break. Have to shave off another minute and a half over the next 17 days.

Great time on your run, that's around my fastest 5K time. I just started running again after taking most of the winter off. On Monday and again today, I ran during my lunch hour - it just about killed me. I ran 3 miles in about 35 min, huffin and puffin the whole way - Felt awesome. :D

[bhaputi]

I just started a new full body routine in the gym and, let me tell you, trying to do that at 5 AM and 300M intervals at 5 PM do not mix :(

Man, am I sore....

[Skidmarx]

I picked up my race packet today, ready to go for tomorrow.

Guess I gotta trim the toenails tonight, you know trim off a little weight. ;)

I'll be happy if I can keep it under 8min/mile.

[bhaputi]

I picked up my race packet today, ready to go for tomorrow.

Guess I gotta trim the toenails tonight, you know trim off a little weight. ;)

I'll be happy if I can keep it under 8min/mile.

Good luck!

[V-240]

I just started a new full body routine in the gym and, let me tell you, trying to do that at 5 AM and 300M intervals at 5 PM do not mix :(

Man, am I sore....

Ouch, you cwazy! I couldn't do all that.

I'm in it for fat loss (gotta LOT!), and it's helped me knock off 2 lbs a week since I started. Diet and exercise, darned if it doesn't work, how annoying... :o

[bbbom]

I like this thread, some great info. I'm hoping to get back into running if the snow at the house ever melts. I run on my property with my dogs out in the woods. It can get a bit spooky at times though because there are no houses and normally no people anywhere nearby but we have spotted cougar, bear and lots of moose when out dirtbiking. So far the only critters I've come across running was a moose about 200 yards away but on lower logging road so I hightailed it home. The dogs seem to spook up critters for me, I've dodged a couple deer that they chased back at me, one coyote and had a collision with one fawn. That left a good bruise on my thigh and probably a knot on the poor fawn's head.

My run consists of hills, lots of uphills, lots of downhills and very little flatland. The dogs and I usually do a 5 - 6 mile loop and it takes me about an hour to hour & a half in the summer depending on what my running partners and I come across and if they stick with me or take off on their own forcing me to stop and call for them. Longer if there's snow on the ground.

The scenery and being outside with my running buddies (fuzzy ones) is why I do it, plus the runner's high. I'll have to check out my running form after reading about heal strike but I was always a sprinter so I think I run more on the balls of my feet. I'd check it out now but they don't like us to run through the halls of the office.

Here's one of my running partners waiting for me to get going, we have more snow than this currently:
http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/41278/2963397860028718059S500x500Q85.jpg (http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2963397860028718059YsRnOg)

http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/43295/2646330140028718059S500x500Q85.jpg (http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2646330140028718059URYUbC)


The view from the top of my property, taken in the summer:
http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/42535/1013422662028718059S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1013422662028718059HsNdurQlEc)

[5krunner]

Good luck tomorrow Skid!

[Bando]

I picked up my race packet today, ready to go for tomorrow.

Guess I gotta trim the toenails tonight, you know trim off a little weight. ;)

I'll be happy if I can keep it under 8min/mile.

Good luck bro!

[wubby]

The view from the top of my property, taken in the summer:


Absolutely beautiful place for a run!

[RacingPrincess]

I am marathoner who started strength and core training to help with my running. I have been working with a trainer since January. I feel a huge difference in my running..especially my long runs..I was very intimidated when I started at the gym because I had never done anything like this before and the gym where I train has very "muscled up people" but now I love it.

I am presently training for a marathon at the end of May and I haev a Half Marathon next weekend which I am using as a tune up race for my marathon

[RacingPrincess]

Running has absolutly nothing to do with Bodybuilding. Wind sprints maybe.

Why has this turned into a fitness forum?? I'm all for fitness in any form. However, I prefer Bodybuilding. There are no fitness, toning, running forums??


I post and have posted in a few running forums. I have come here to learn more about strength training..and I think you are right in that running and bodybuilding are very different...but I think that I can learn alot form bodybuilding principles and apply them to my sport. I allready see a huge difference in my power. All the lunges and squats that I am doing as well as the core work is really paying off. When I reach the 20 mile in a training run...my legs do not start to break down as quickly. I have tried asking questions in running forums about bodybuilding and strength training principles...but as runners we seem to only really know our sport. I truly hope that I can pop in here from time to time and learn from "real" bodybuilders to improve my own training in racing. I figure to get the best info..it is best to goi straight to the source....just sayin... :)

[bhaputi]

Ouch, you cwazy! I couldn't do all that.

I'm in it for fat loss (gotta LOT!), and it's helped me knock off 2 lbs a week since I started. Diet and exercise, darned if it doesn't work, how annoying... :o

Problem was, neither could I. I had 5 easy miles planned today that I am likely skipping - I am still sore enough to do the whole "eech, ooch, ack" thing every time I get out of a chair :p

[Skidmarx]

RACE REPORT

Whew, what a nice 8K this morning, perfect weather clear & 70's. Probably 500 people at this event. I averaged 9.15/mile...not what I was aiming for but pretty respectable I guess since my time on the last 10k was just over 10 minutes. Not bad for a guy who only runs once a week.


I was the surprised that the guy who won the race was not the typical toothpick runner. He was actually pretty built, and ripped. I wanna look like that guy.


My daughter wants to start running now, since she saw kids her age(8yo) running at the event. She's in the jogging club at school, but they only run a mile every week. There's a couple 5k's in May, so maybe we'll start training for that.

Time to go take a nap. :D

[Bando]

RACE REPORT

Whew, what a nice 8K this morning, perfect weather clear & 70's. Probably 500 people at this event. I averaged 9.15/mile...not what I was aiming for but pretty respectable I guess since my time on the last 10k was just over 10 minutes. Not bad for a guy who only runs once a week.


I was the surprised that the guy who won the race was not the typical toothpick runner. He was actually pretty built, and ripped. I wanna look like that guy.


My daughter wants to start running now, since she saw kids her age(8yo) running at the event. She's in the jogging club at school, but they only run a mile every week. There's a couple 5k's in May, so maybe we'll start training for that.

Time to go take a nap. :D

nice

[bhaputi]

RACE REPORT

Whew, what a nice 8K this morning, perfect weather clear & 70's. Probably 500 people at this event. I averaged 9.15/mile...not what I was aiming for but pretty respectable I guess since my time on the last 10k was just over 10 minutes. Not bad for a guy who only runs once a week.


I was the surprised that the guy who won the race was not the typical toothpick runner. He was actually pretty built, and ripped. I wanna look like that guy.


My daughter wants to start running now, since she saw kids her age(8yo) running at the event. She's in the jogging club at school, but they only run a mile every week. There's a couple 5k's in May, so maybe we'll start training for that.

Time to go take a nap. :D

Good job. The guys that regularly win the shorter runs (5/10K) around here usually are the more built guys. The classic skinny runners get the major advantage with distance :)

[RacingPrincess]

RACE REPORT

Whew, what a nice 8K this morning, perfect weather clear & 70's. Probably 500 people at this event. I averaged 9.15/mile...not what I was aiming for but pretty respectable I guess since my time on the last 10k was just over 10 minutes. Not bad for a guy who only runs once a week.


I was the surprised that the guy who won the race was not the typical toothpick runner. He was actually pretty built, and ripped. I wanna look like that guy.


My daughter wants to start running now, since she saw kids her age(8yo) running at the event. She's in the jogging club at school, but they only run a mile every week. There's a couple 5k's in May, so maybe we'll start training for that.

Time to go take a nap. :D

Glad you had a good time...and that you improved from your last race

My son ..now 10 has run a few 5k's and has really enjoyed it...his first one was when he was 6...also lots of races (pretty much every marathon and HM) have kids 1 milers the day before the race or even just before or just after the main race. You should look into it.

[Do_Somethin]

So how does one go from not running to running in a marathon? This thread has me inspired to maybe enter the Toronto Marathon. I don't care if I win I just want to finish but preferably not last.
Is anyone going to go in it? It's in October.

[Gunn27]

So how does one go from not running to running in a marathon? This thread has me inspired to maybe enter the Toronto Marathon. I don't care if I win I just want to finish but preferably not last.
Is anyone going to go in it? It's in October.I'd suggest starting here:

http://www.runningroom.com/hm/

and here:

http://www.runnersworld.com/

[bhaputi]

So how does one go from not running to running in a marathon? This thread has me inspired to maybe enter the Toronto Marathon. I don't care if I win I just want to finish but preferably not last.
Is anyone going to go in it? It's in October.

If you do not run currently, you would likely injure yourself trying to do a marathon that soon. Next year's Toronto would be a better target, with many 5/10K and 1/2 marathons along the way.

If you are serious, google for couch to 5K (or c25k) and check out the beginner programs.

[Skidmarx]

Glad you had a good time...and that you improved from your last race

My son ..now 10 has run a few 5k's and has really enjoyed it...his first one was when he was 6...also lots of races (pretty much every marathon and HM) have kids 1 milers the day before the race or even just before or just after the main race. You should look into it.


Yeah I saw the 1mile fun run on some upcoming races. I think I'll map out a mile in my neighborhood and start doing it with my daughter. Maybe she can build up to 3 miles by mid summer if she sticks with it. You know kids though. ;)

[Do_Somethin]

I'd suggest starting here:

http://www.runningroom.com/hm/

and here:

http://www.runnersworld.com/


If you do not run currently, you would likely injure yourself trying to do a marathon that soon. Next year's Toronto would be a better target, with many 5/10K and 1/2 marathons along the way.

If you are serious, google for couch to 5K (or c25k) and check out the beginner programs.

Thanks, guys! :)

[RacingPrincess]

So how does one go from not running to running in a marathon? This thread has me inspired to maybe enter the Toronto Marathon. I don't care if I win I just want to finish but preferably not last.
Is anyone going to go in it? It's in October.

I have run both the Toronto International..which is what you are considering and the Toronto Scotiabank Waterfront Marathon..which is the last weekend in Sept. The waterfront one is much nicer and better porganized than the October race. I would suggest that if you are looking to race this upcoming Fall...you attempt the Half marathon first. It is a more reasonnable goal and you risk less injury issues. The running room has some good programs to get you started with and you can also check out some running forums and the Runners World website...which has running programs...once you ahve a few HM under your belt I would attempt the Full Monty....just sayin... :)

[runner05]

I am marathoner who started strength and core training to help with my running. I have been working with a trainer since January. I feel a huge difference in my running..especially my long runs..I was very intimidated when I started at the gym because I had never done anything like this before and the gym where I train has very "muscled up people" but now I love it.

I am presently training for a marathon at the end of May and I haev a Half Marathon next weekend which I am using as a tune up race for my marathon

Nice to hear from another with my goals! Can I ask... what have you been working on in particular? Is there anything specific that has helped you the most?

I am training for a half in May - my first. However... I ran 9 miles on Monday and, at about 7 1/2, I twisted my knee or something and it began to really hurt. Of course, I wasn't smart enough to quit running until I made it home. Walking afterwards was almost an impossibility. I have let it rest for a few days, but tried running last night and it hurt all over again. Any suggestions here? My half is on May 17 and I really am getting anxious about my running and need to get back into it. Anyone have any ideas for me? Do I let it continue to rest? How long? I don't want to lose the endurance I've gained over the last couple of months. Thanks!!

[Bando]

Nice to hear from another with my goals! Can I ask... what have you been working on in particular? Is there anything specific that has helped you the most?

I am training for a half in May - my first. However... I ran 9 miles on Monday and, at about 7 1/2, I twisted my knee or something and it began to really hurt. Of course, I wasn't smart enough to quit running until I made it home. Walking afterwards was almost an impossibility. I have let it rest for a few days, but tried running last night and it hurt all over again. Any suggestions here? My half is on May 17 and I really am getting anxious about my running and need to get back into it. Anyone have any ideas for me? Do I let it continue to rest? How long? I don't want to lose the endurance I've gained over the last couple of months. Thanks!!

I'm not a marathon runner but have had tweaks while on a long run. What has worked for me is to pretend I'm on a different run. For example when I got a annoying pain in the front of my thigh on a run, I envisioned my self running up a hill. This caused me to change my stride enough to work the kink out. Likewise when my hip flexor was killing me during a run awhile back, I envisioned myself running down a steep trail near my house that I often do, I ran differently and worked it out. I've never quit during any run and give you credit for hanging in there with yours.

I've never twisted a knee though. You've got time, over a month. I would do something that strains the hell out of your respiratory/cardio system and is easy on the knee for like 10 days. If you can run on it after that, ramp back up to where you need to be. If your walking on it fine, my guess is you'll be running on it fine soon enough. Remember, distance running is heart and lungs- not legs and feet.

[runner05]

Remember, distance running is heart and lungs- not legs and feet.

VERY true! Thanks so much for your thought!!! I think I'll try an elliptical or something for awhile. It's just so darn frustrating 'cuz I really LOVE running!! And, I've been working SO hard to get to this half and had just recently began to believe that I can actually do this. Oh well... You've given great advice and I'm going to use it... Thanks again!

[bhaputi]

Remember, distance running is heart and lungs- not legs and feet.

I do not agree with this. I think that, especially for people that may do other cardio regularly, getting your tendons and bones up to snuff is more difficult than getting the cardio-vascular system in check. You can have all the ability in the world lung-wise, but if your joints are not ready you are going to get hurt.

[Skidmarx]

You should probably not run for a couple of weeks on that leg. I think your health is more important than a 1/2.

[RacingPrincess]

Nice to hear from another with my goals! Can I ask... what have you been working on in particular? Is there anything specific that has helped you the most?

I am training for a half in May - my first. However... I ran 9 miles on Monday and, at about 7 1/2, I twisted my knee or something and it began to really hurt. Of course, I wasn't smart enough to quit running until I made it home. Walking afterwards was almost an impossibility. I have let it rest for a few days, but tried running last night and it hurt all over again. Any suggestions here? My half is on May 17 and I really am getting anxious about my running and need to get back into it. Anyone have any ideas for me? Do I let it continue to rest? How long? I don't want to lose the endurance I've gained over the last couple of months. Thanks!!


I have been working core and alot of legs. I was nursing a nagging injury in my hamstring due to a muscle imbalance and that is the reason I started weight training. The squats and lunges strengthened everything and healed me up. It amazed me how I thought of myself as so fit because I have low body fat percentage and becasue I run so much,...but I actually lacked alot of strength. I basically do a lower body workout once a week...it is hard to fit in because it has to be after the long run and before a tempo or it interferes with my training. Then I do upper body twice a week...and core on all three days. I would like to do 4 days of weight training but I run 60 miles a week or so and I just do not have the time. I( can say this though...the weights have made me a much much stronger runner...I cannot wait to see the result when I race again

As for your HM...you should be starting your taper in 3 weeks...I would rest your injury and perhaps do some other cardio for your short runs...but your long run...you at least need one more 10-12 miler in there before your race...I would look at trying to get it in the first weekend in May and then start your taper...so until then...if you are in pain..I would not run through it...most of your training is done anyway...as you are now 5 weeks out from your race anyway. Your goal should be to get to the start line as pain free as possible.

[RacingPrincess]

I do not agree with this. I think that, especially for people that may do other cardio regularly, getting your tendons and bones up to snuff is more difficult than getting the cardio-vascular system in check. You can have all the ability in the world lung-wise, but if your joints are not ready you are going to get hurt.


Dude!!!!

Very true..the cardio always develops fastre than the "structure" and that is why so many Newbies get injured. Base is the key to successful running. And base training is what is going to keep you injury free. I knwo so many runners who get injured cause they get all caught up with racing and do not train properly and do too much too fast because their "cardio" can handle it. I run 2500-3000 miles a year and have been doing this for almost 7 years now...and still find that my structure has weaknesses...and still need to work it....this being said I think that peeps from her who strength train regularly probably have a better structure going in to running.

Ok I am talking WAY too much LOL

[runner05]

I do not agree with this. I think that, especially for people that may do other cardio regularly, getting your tendons and bones up to snuff is more difficult than getting the cardio-vascular system in check. You can have all the ability in the world lung-wise, but if your joints are not ready you are going to get hurt.

I'll agree with you here as well. Running is not ALL heart and lungs. However, my thought really, though, was that I can keep up with my endurance training w/ other cardio, which was a great concern, by biking or the elliptical or something else "cardio". I do have to agree with you in that structural plays a part 'cuz it was my concern for my joints and strength that took me to the gym and working the weight in the first place. I know that I needed "more" there than I did w/ the heart and lungs. However, I can continue weights, but I'll have to do something different for the cardio and endurance in the meantime 'cuz I'm going to take the advice of ALL here and back off for awhile - although it makes me very anxious - not to mention the fact that running it a huge stress reliever for me, but maybe I'll get that from other cardio as well. Thanks again to a great group of people and a great thread!

[Skidmarx]

Oh yeah, I wanted to mention that I'm typically a heel striker.

During my run yesterday I concentrated on ball striking(wtf? ;) ) and my knees/joints feel good today. My quads are toasted more than normal though. I guess I used more quads and less hammies.

[Ophus]

Oh yeah, I wanted to mention that I'm typically a heel striker.

During my run yesterday I concentrated on ball striking(wtf? ;) ) and my knees/joints feel good today. My quads are toasted more than normal though. I guess I used more quads and less hammies.

Thats awesome!

I know it feels funny and does smoke your quads at first, but I promise in time your quads won't notice it and you won"t be able to imagine how you ran as a heel striker. Your joints and back will thank you for it, as the years go by.

[RacingPrincess]

Oh yeah, I wanted to mention that I'm typically a heel striker.

During my run yesterday I concentrated on ball striking(wtf? ;) ) and my knees/joints feel good today. My quads are toasted more than normal though. I guess I used more quads and less hammies.

There is a whole theory on that type of running. You may want to google Malcolm Balk...I attended a seminar of his and had him guest speak at HM clinic that I was instructing a few years ago. It is called the "pose" method. Triathlete's use it to transition from the bike to the road.

If you look at a child run...like a toddler... they run on the tips of their toes...and the balls of their feet rather than heel strike...if you can master the technique you will run much much fatsre and be less prone to injury. If for no other reason than general interest...it is pretty cool to read up on. The guy...Malcolm Balk is an awesome speaker and a very good athlete as well.

Here is just a taste of what you can achieve

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2006/03/07/hrun04.xml

[Skidmarx]

Hey look at this lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibWjSEw-F4&NR=1

[RacingPrincess]

During the summer I spend 3 weeks at the beach and run in the surf..only short runs like 6 miles...but I do it barefoot..and it is true..you naturally "pose" when you run barefoot...yet we put on shoes and it becomes difficult for some reason.

There is a guy who runs all of his marathons barefoot...very weird LOL..he is called the "barefoot runner"

[runner05]

Has anyone tried the Nike Shox training shoe?

I believe it's supposed to simulate barefoot walking and make your foot muscles stronger?

[bhaputi]

Has anyone tried the Nike Shox training shoe?

I believe it's supposed to simulate barefoot walking and make your foot muscles stronger?

The shox are those funky spring-loaded ones that I have heard tons of bad stuff about. Do you mean the Nike Free?
Have not heard much on them.

[runner05]

Oops! Yeah - I meant the Nike Free!

[wubby]

Oops! Yeah - I meant the Nike Free!

I have tried them, but the Nike lasts do not fit my feet. I generally train in ASIC lightweight trainers/racers. I found after changing my form away from a heel strike that my shoes last MUCH longer. That was one reason for me to change - I am cheap and replacing running shoes every 8 weeks gets pricey.

I also used to have to use heavy stability shoes to prevent overpronation, now I can wear lightweight flexible shoes so it is much more comfortable and really does help my speed.

[runner05]

I understand "being cheap"! :) I thought I'd get a few more miles out of my last Kayano's 'cuz it was still muddy outside and didn't want to ruin my newer running shoes right away. Now, after a 9 mile run in them, my knee is paying the price and I'm having to hold off my running for awhile! :( And, it's definitely making me kinda' crabby...

[AndrewLK]

Hello new here and 36 years old. I am too taking up running or it is more like a jog right now but I have been doing more of an interval style as of the last couple weeks and it is growing on me. I am looking forward to running outdoors now the weather has gotten better. On the treadmill I go 1 minute at a heavy run, for me that is , and then 1 min slow jog to bring the heart rate down. I break a sweat in a hurry and continue this for 20 minutes now. The steady long distance run though is tough for me, trying to do a 5 km at any type of pace. I think for me it is a mental barrier more than physical since I have shed 33 lbs in 3 months and drastically changed my eating habits.

[bhaputi]

Hello new here and 36 years old. I am too taking up running or it is more like a jog right now but I have been doing more of an interval style as of the last couple weeks and it is growing on me. I am looking forward to running outdoors now the weather has gotten better. On the treadmill I go 1 minute at a heavy run, for me that is , and then 1 min slow jog to bring the heart rate down. I break a sweat in a hurry and continue this for 20 minutes now. The steady long distance run though is tough for me, trying to do a 5 km at any type of pace. I think for me it is a mental barrier more than physical since I have shed 33 lbs in 3 months and drastically changed my eating habits.

Welcome. If I can offer one tidbit it would be slow down. Yes, even more. I know, you probably think you already crawl, but if you want to get distance and, eventually, speed then you need to slow down. Good luck.

[RacingPrincess]

Has anyone tried the Nike Shox training shoe?

I believe it's supposed to simulate barefoot walking and make your foot muscles stronger?


I think you mean the Nike Free. I think the best way to simuale barefoot is to be barefoot LOL I walk barefoot in my house pretty much all the time . It keeps your foot from getting"lazy" in over supportive shoes. When I run though LOL other than 3 weeks on the soft sand of the beach...I only run in my Asics kayanos. I go through about 5-6 pair year. If you want to make your foot muscles stronger..I would suggest working them..the same way you work everything else out. If you google plantar fasciatis and exercises to prevent it...you will have a nice little sample..most of which can be done sitting at your desk or while watching TV. While we are ont he subject another muscle to strengthen to avoid shin splints is Tibialis Anterior...again just google it and you find a bunch of exercises..which can be done pretty much anytime.

I work my plantar fascia a few times a day as well as Tibialis Anterior..whenever I think of it...

So my opinion on the Nike Free...the cute and funky...I would not run in them especially if you are a Newbie..just not enough cushioning...and to be honest walking barefoot around your house is much more effective.

Oh..I ran an 8 mile recovery run this morning. I have a HM this weekend...which I am not sure if I am going to run at Marathon pace as a training run or actually "race" it. decisions...decisions...

[RacingPrincess]

Welcome. If I can offer one tidbit it would be slow down. Yes, even more. I know, you probably think you already crawl, but if you want to get distance and, eventually, speed then you need to slow down. Good luck.

Dude!!!!

I aggree...base base and more base...you will get fast with time..right now you need nice easy slow miles under your belt...lots and lots and lots of them

[AndrewLK]

Okay then I will do the slow and steady wins the race thingy!! It is hard to be patient though when my weight is dropping quite well and the weight on my lifts is going up an up. I wil turn it down a few notches then and go from there. Thanks!!!

[runner05]

Okay then I will do the slow and steady wins the race thingy!! It is hard to be patient though when my weight is dropping quite well and the weight on my lifts is going up an up. I wil turn it down a few notches then and go from there. Thanks!!!

Welcome! And, I totally agree... Start slow and build up miles and endurance. It can be frustrating to try to keep a slower pace at times (it is for me), but the benefits will outweigh the frustration! Keep running!!! Sounds like you're going to be as "addicted" to it as the rest of us here! Good luck :)

[Ophus]

This is a great book written by a fellow who was a world class runner in the 50's and 60's I believe. It is a good read as it discusses overall running technique including forefoot strike. I learned more about technique from this book than most any other source, it talks about many things to keep us running into our golden years, with little to no injury. I posted his name the other day, but here is the link to the website, just scroll down the page and you will find a link to the free ebook.

http://www.gordonpirie.com/

[AdmiralNaismith]

"First, when there's nothing but a slow glowing dream..."

Brain: Okay boys, it's time for the first run of the season. Stay loose, stay focused, and we'll have fun.
Lungs: What the heck are you doing to us??
Skin: Did you think to check the temperature? We're freezing our balls off here!
Balls: We're very cold.

"...that your fear seems to hide deep inside your mind..."

Brain: Come on guys, get it together! We're lurching along like a zombie with diarrhea.
Right calf: I'm worried the shin splint will start acting up!
Shin splint: Nah, I'll be fine.

"...all alone I have cried silent tears full of pride..."

Lungs: It burns! Oh god it burns!
Brain: Oh shut up, we've only gone 20 feet.
Legs: Can't we just do squats?
Brain: No! We want to lose weight, remember?
Belly: I want a bagel.
Brain: Shut up! Just shut up!

"...in a world made of steel, made of stone..."

Right calf: Okay the shin splint is really starting to hurt.
Shin splint: Muahaha!
Skin: We're sweating our balls off!
Balls: We're dripping.
Brain: Only two more blocks and we can walk for a bit.
Legs, Lungs, Balls: Boo!

"...well I hear the music, close my eyes, feel the rhythm..."

Brain: Come on, we gotta push hard, who's with me?!"
Brain: Guys??
Bowels: Right, that's it, I've locked him in the closet. Let's go home.
Legs, Lungs, Balls: Yay!

"...What a feeling!"

[Skidmarx]

lol

[RacingPrincess]

OMG I just choked on my diet coke

Thank you for the laugh...love it...love it...love it LOL

[Skidmarx]

Anyone here do any running in sand or on the beach?

I've always lived pretty close to the ocean, but oddly i've never tried this. :o

Do you go barefoot?

[Bando]

Anyone here do any running in sand or on the beach?

I've always lived pretty close to the ocean, but oddly i've never tried this. :o

Do you go barefoot?

I dunno if I would try this, lotta stuff in that sand.

I half hoped someone would dig up this thread. I hit 28:46 yesterday on my 5K - a full minute off my time last week. My race is in 10 days and I'm hoping to beat my 28:22.

[Skidmarx]

Cool. You doing a 5k?

Hey I forgot to mention there were grandmas and little kids passing me on my last 10k. :D

[Bando]

Cool. You doing a 5k?

Hey I forgot to mention there were grandmas and little kids passing me on my last 10k. :D

Hell yea, I think thats why I started this thread.

This 5K is held every year and I ran it last year as the culmination to losing 35 lbs and getting fit. I ran it with a woman at work who coached and inspired me to run to lose weight. This year I inspired another woman to run it, her kids decided they wanted to do it as well, then her hubby.

Running is not my favorite thing like you guys, but for me it works, and I love a good competition.

[runner05]

I dunno if I would try this, lotta stuff in that sand.

I half hoped someone would dig up this thread. I hit 28:46 yesterday on my 5K - a full minute off my time last week. My race is in 10 days and I'm hoping to beat my 28:22.

Good luck! W/ a regular run at 28:46, you'll definitely run the 5k race faster and most definitely beat your past 5k time! It's a GR8 competition against oneself!!

[Bando]

Good luck! W/ a regular run at 28:46, you'll definitely run the 5k race faster and most definitely beat your past 5k time! It's a GR8 competition against oneself!!

Hope you're right, but the 28:46 was on a treadmill, gonna run it twice on the road before then.

[AndrewLK]

I have found I run better nad faster outdoors cause there is more to keep my mind going when I run through the park. The run around the "lake" in town here is 5.5 kms and is a good measure since it is uneven terrain and more challenging but it seems easier somehow. Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

[bhaputi]

Good progress Bando. Sure you will rock that 5K. My first real 5K of the year is Saturday.

This was a tiring day - I had planned to lift at 5AM, then run at lunch. Got up at 4:45, did the lifting. But the run had to wait due to work and then I had to meet the family for dinner (pizza, of all things). My run did not happen until almost 11 PM - man, I am tired....but I made my targeted 7 miles at slightly faster pace than I intended. Very hilly route, so I conservatively aimed for 9:30 per mile (per McMillan, I should run my mid-long runs at 8:37-9:37). I nailed 8:30 for the first 5-ish miles, but the hills in the last 2 killed that a little - ended with 7.29 miles in 1:04:34, for a 8:52 pace. Not bad for a large guy like myself :)

[Bando]

7.29 miles in 1:04:34, for a 8:52 pace. Not bad

Not bad is an understatement. That's a hell of a run. I would love to be able to run over 7 miles at a 9 mile/minute pace.

I can do the 5k at that pace, and I'm gonna stick with that, I'm a primarily a BB'er after all.

[wubby]

I half hoped someone would dig up this thread. I hit 28:46 yesterday on my 5K - a full minute off my time last week. My race is in 10 days and I'm hoping to beat my 28:22.

You will destroy your old PB in the race if you are coming that close training by yourself. Take a few day taper before the race, pace yourself and don't blow your wad in the first mile because of all the adrenaline.

For reference, I have a hard time keeping up a 6:25 pace for a 10 mile training run, but I can maintain that pace for 26.2 miles in a race.

Never underestimate the power of race day. The adrenaline, the taper induced energy, knowing theres is food and drinks at the finish line, and that woman with the nice ass in front of you who will get away from you if you don't dig down and shift gears. (not necessarily in order of influence)

Good luck at your race!

[RacingPrincess]

Anyone here do any running in sand or on the beach?

I've always lived pretty close to the ocean, but oddly i've never tried this. :o

Do you go barefoot?


Yes..I run barefoot but in 1 inch of surf..so the sand is a little bit firm...so obvioulsy you need to be running on a beach that is not too eroded..now I do this on vacation every summer...and there is a bit of a "Baywatch" fantasy involved in these runs LOL

If I were to live by a beach...I would run in shoes and use the softer sand to increase my strength...I get to this all winter long by running in snow. If you do run the beach..you wil find that your speed will slow down and that it will be a challenge..but when you hit the road ..it will pay off...again very much like running in snow

Regardless...you should give it a try..it is always fun to shake things up a little. If I lived by a beach I would run it once a week ...to change my routine and work those leg muscles in a different way

:)

[RacingPrincess]

Hell yea, I think thats why I started this thread.

This 5K is held every year and I ran it last year as the culmination to losing 35 lbs and getting fit. I ran it with a woman at work who coached and inspired me to run to lose weight. This year I inspired another woman to run it, her kids decided they wanted to do it as well, then her hubby.

Running is not my favorite thing like you guys, but for me it works, and I love a good competition.


That is awesome!!! :D :D :D

[RacingPrincess]

with 7.29 miles in 1:04:34, for a 8:52 pace. Not bad for a large guy like myself :)


YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome awesome run..and don;t you love when you think it is going to be a so so run and it ends up incredible!!!!!!!!!

[RacingPrincess]

I dunno if I would try this, lotta stuff in that sand.

I half hoped someone would dig up this thread. I hit 28:46 yesterday on my 5K - a full minute off my time last week. My race is in 10 days and I'm hoping to beat my 28:22.

You can break 25 min during a race if you are doing a regular training run at 28:22

The rush ..the adrenaline..the crowd..especially being a bodybuilder..you are used to pain

Racing hurts...but like when you are pushing through your weights..you know it is short lived...the pain is different...but your brain learns to block it out.

You will ROCK your race!!!!!!!

[bhaputi]

You will destroy your old PB in the race if you are coming that close training by yourself. Take a few day taper before the race, pace yourself and don't blow your wad in the first mile because of all the adrenaline.

For reference, I have a hard time keeping up a 6:25 pace for a 10 mile training run, but I can maintain that pace for 26.2 miles in a race.

Never underestimate the power of race day. The adrenaline, the taper induced energy, knowing theres is food and drinks at the finish line, and that woman with the nice ass in front of you who will get away from you if you don't dig down and shift gears. (not necessarily in order of influence)

Good luck at your race!

I agree 100%. Let the environment of the race sweep you into it :)

[bhaputi]

YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome awesome run..and don;t you love when you think it is going to be a so so run and it ends up incredible!!!!!!!!!

Thanks. I am, of course, my own worst critic, though, so when I got done I started thinking "damn, if only I had skipped the pizza" or "maybe more than 5 hours sleep last night would have helped"
:)
Thanks for the kinds words.

[wubby]

I just read this and got a big kick out of it:

http://www.active.com/running/Articles/The_10_Types_of_Runners.htm?act=EMC-eNews_INS_0308&Link=9

[runner05]

Hope you're right, but the 28:46 was on a treadmill, gonna run it twice on the road before then.

I think you will surprise yourself in this race... Be SURE to let us know how it goes!!!

[bhaputi]

I just read this and got a big kick out of it:

http://www.active.com/running/Articles/The_10_Types_of_Runners.htm?act=EMC-eNews_INS_0308&Link=9

Nice. I think I am a combo of the Salination Machine and the Loud Runner. Loud and sweaty - all the chicks dig that, right? :D

[antiquemom]

I just read this and got a big kick out of it:

http://www.active.com/running/Articles/The_10_Types_of_Runners.htm?act=EMC-eNews_INS_0308&Link=9

Great read!
It was interesting to see some of the comments people posted. How could you take that serious and get upset.

[RacingPrincess]

I just read this and got a big kick out of it:

http://www.active.com/running/Articles/The_10_Types_of_Runners.htm?act=EMC-eNews_INS_0308&Link=9

ROFLMAO..very very funny

I am the Doctor 90210..without the surgical enhancements...I think as a woman it is possible to RACE and look feminine and pretty. I like to prove that looks can be deceiving...that even girly girls can be hardcore :D

Here is an excerpt from my blog from June 2006

Thursday, June 22, 2006

THE DEMISE OF THE PRINCESS PEDICURE

This morning I realised that I am more athlete than princess. What a horror!!! Last month after the Vermont City Marathon I was forced to deal with a very serious situation. My big toe nail on my left foot was injured. This injury, due to the constant pounding of my foot in my shoe had very severe "princess" repercussions. I was forced to seek medical help and consequently, my physician insisted that remove the absolutely gorgeous "hot pink" polish from that toe only to reveal a grossly discolored , infected toe nail. Antibiotics followed as well as having to cut out a part of the toe box of my running shoes. Can you imagine a princess running with shoes sporting a big gapping hole? The desire to run overode the ridiculous look. So was the beginning of the transition. The princess started being a little less princess-like.

Finally,after almost 3 weeks, this morning the toe was pain free and the meds were done so...the day had come to repair the pedicure and reapply that gorgeous pink lacker to the toe nail. Marathon Princess was being resurrected. Finally, sandals could be worn again with pride. Short skirts and long legs would be "finished" with gorgeous "princess toes" . No more ugly duckling! Then, as I proceeded to paint the toe something horrific happened. The entire toe nail FELL RIGHT OFF!!!!!!!!!!! GROSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How to deal? Scream...Cry...Realise...that I am now an athlete. The cat is out of the bag as the saying goes. No more hiding behind blond highlights and gorgeous pink toes. The princess is out of the closet. No hiding the distance runner anymore. I am an athlete. One look at my big toe reveals my secret life. It's summer after all. I have to air my feet...or...maybe...I can wear pumps until the nail grows back.

Marathon "the athlete" Princess


I actually ended up "painting" the actual raw skin on my toe..so unless you were really close up..you could not tell that I had lost the toe nail

[wubby]

That's hilarious racingprincess. For me, the first time I lost a toenail I was so proud. I thought it was so cool and I felt like I had completed a right of passage too.

[RacingPrincess]

That's hilarious racingprincess. For me, the first time I lost a toenail I was so proud. I thought it was so cool and I felt like I had completed a right of passage too.


YA well my feet look perfect right now k? :D

The only reason I lost one at that race was cause it rained like a bitch and the last 4 miles are at a slight downhillgrade LOL and it was like 85*F so my feet swole in my shoes ... :(

[wubby]

YA well my feet look perfect right now k? :D


suuuuuuuuuuure they do ;)



The only reason I lost one at that race was cause it rained like a bitch and the last 4 miles are at a slight downhillgrade LOL and it was like 85*F so my feet swole in my shoes ... :(

I don't even know why it happened to me that one time. It has only happened the once and I don't remember there being anything out of the ordinary in that race. I know one woman who looses a few every marathon - that is someone who needs to re-asses her shoes and her form. I think she may tense up her feet and dig in with her toes.

I have also heard of women gluing false nails on the nail bed after loosing a nail.

OK - now I am not talking about toes anymore though - the topic is making me ill and I am trying to eat my afternoon tuna...

[bbbom]

Nice blog entry RacingPrincess!! I've lost a few toenails & fingernails over the years but never from running, usually it's from stubbing my toe or smashing my finger. I paint the skin too when I lose a toenail.


I like to prove that looks can be deceiving...that even girly girls can be hardcore :D


I'm with you on that. There is no reason a competent female athlete can't still be a princess, she's just tougher princess and at times must make some extaordinary efforts to assure that she is princesslike. ;)

All this talk about running, I want to get back out to my trails with my dogs! My daughter is running her first track meet next week, 7th grade and she's a sprinter. I'm trying to get her to do the 400 meter, that was my race in middle school & HS but so far she's 2nd fastest girl in the 100 M so they want her to run that, plus, she's determined to beat the other girl (one of her best friends). She was the fastest runner in the tryouts for the 400 x 4 relay but there were only 2 of them running it so they can't put a team together and with the 100 m, 100 x 4 relay, javelin & high jump she's booked.

Oh well, that means I can hold onto my HS record in the 400, but I wanted her to beat it. :(

[RacingPrincess]

Nice blog entry RacingPrincess!! I've lost a few toenails & fingernails over the years but never from running, usually it's from stubbing my toe or smashing my finger. I paint the skin too when I lose a toenail.





Ahhh...great minds think alike :D

[antiquemom]

I lost my first nail ever in December, after I started my once or twice a week 8 mile run. I wasn't sure what was happening with it, then I started trimming and realized it really wasn't attached by much. It was fun to gross the family out as I trimmed it till it was gone. I didn't pain mine, but I did just recently file the funky new growth flat. I'll be painting them after my monday run.

[RacingPrincess]

I lost my first nail ever in December, after I started my once or twice a week 8 mile run. I wasn't sure what was happening with it, then I started trimming and realized it really wasn't attached by much. It was fun to gross the family out as I trimmed it till it was gone. I didn't pain mine, but I did just recently file the funky new growth flat. I'll be painting them after my monday run.

If you are losing nails after 8 milers (that is quite a short distance to be losing nails over) chances are your shoes are not propely fitted for your feet. You may want to try going a half size up or going to a running store and having yourself re-fitted. The "funky new growth" will end up completely normal...unless it truly bother you...you should leave it alone. This being said I know some runners who for whatever reason seem to consistently have black toe nails and lose them regularly. But they are usually marathoners or ultra runners who run 50+ miles a week.

[RacingPrincess]

I'll be painting them after my monday run.

Woohoo :D

[Ophus]

If you are losing nails after 8 milers (that is quite a short distance to be losing nails over) chances are your shoes are not propely fitted for your feet. You may want to try going a half size up or going to a running store and having yourself re-fitted. The "funky new growth" will end up completely normal...unless it truly bother you...you should leave it alone. This being said I know some runners who for whatever reason seem to consistently have black toe nails and lose them regularly. But they are usually marathoners or ultra runners who run 50+ miles a week.
I run 20 to 30 miles a week, but haven't had any nail issues. What's up with that?

[bhaputi]

I run 20 to 30 miles a week, but haven't had any nail issues. What's up with that?

Properly fitting shoes will keep it from happening. I also run 20-30 a week and, so far, no issues.

Although it can also be from a downhill and/or really wet run too. Basically, repetitively hitting the toenails against the toe box causes it to happen.

[runner05]

The first time I lost a toenail, I was totally mortified! Didn't know that was almost a norm for runners of long distances... However, I tend to lose my 2nd toenail only - it's the only one I've ever lost on either foot, which is strange 'cuz my 2nd toe is definitely shorter than my 1st big toe... Go figure! Anyway, I now never do pedicures, except on myself 'cuz I trust no one w/ my feet - unless some wonderful guy wants to mass them. :) I am very careful to keep my toenails trimmed short and then usually have no issues. I know some people have trouble with ingrown toenails when they are cut too short, so it's not something I'd recommend for everyone, but fortunately that hasn't been a problem for me.

And, fortunately, by the time it actually falls off... a new one has begun to grow underneath and I can still paint that one! :) I would HATE to have to walk around w/ naked toes!

[bbbom]

My 13 yo daughter is now officially a runner. She's a sprinter though. It's her first year in track and her first meet is tomorrow.

Geeze it's a lot more expensive now than when I was a kid. I just ran in whatever sneakers I had and I was a 400 meter runner but we (my parents) didn't know much about sports & running equipment back then.

$85 for her training shoes, $60 for her cleats, $50 for her Under Armour to match the relay team and finally we are ready for competition.

She came home to announce that she's doing the high jump (woohoo, that was my event), 100 meter (not my event) 4 x 100 m relay (one of my events) and the 4 x 400 relay (also one of my events). Her goal is to break my 400 meter record that I had in HS. It took em 10 years to beat mine and I'm still on the board as the #3 all time fastest female 400 m run for my tiny high school (200 kids for 9th - 12th grade).

Too bad I can't remember what the time was, under 61 but more than 60 is all I remember because I wanted to beat 60 but just missed it. I guess I should have ran my senior year afterall.

Now I think my best 400 would be closer to about 4 minutes! ;)

[V-240]

I learned something today. Creatine loading + running = BAD idea. Hard to run comfortably when you are, er, "clenched" trying to stop an attack of .. er.. the runs! :eek:

Sorry, probably T M I ! ! ! :(

[Bando]

I ran my last 5K before today Sunday's race and it got me wondering something about BB'ing vs. Running.

When running for 1/2 hr. or more and swinging your arms, aren't you effectively "toning" your arms? I notice after a long run my arms always seem smaller, I've attributed this to muscle loss and/or all the blood being in my legs.

Now I think it's because I'm "toning" (effectively shrinking) my arms while I run.

Thoughts?

[runner05]

I learned something today. Creatine loading + running = BAD idea. Hard to run comfortably when you are, er, "clenched" trying to stop an attack of .. er.. the runs! :eek:

Sorry, probably T M I ! ! ! :(

LOL!! Runners all eventually learn (usually the hard way) to be careful of what they eat prior to a run! :)

[runner05]

I ran my last 5K before today Sunday's race and it got me wondering something about BB'ing vs. Running.

When running for 1/2 hr. or more and swinging your arms, aren't you effectively "toning" your arms? I notice after a long run my arms always seem smaller, I've attributed this to muscle loss and/or all the blood being in my legs.

Now I think it's because I'm "toning" (effectively shrinking) my arms while I run.

Thoughts?

I wish you were right, but I've been running a long time and... nope... nothing!

[wubby]

I learned something today. Creatine loading + running = BAD idea. Hard to run comfortably when you are, er, "clenched" trying to stop an attack of .. er.. the runs! :eek:

Sorry, probably T M I ! ! ! :(

Nahhhh - this is the runners thread. Out on a run, we all discuss bodily functions LOL

[V-240]

LOL!! Runners all eventually learn (usually the hard way) to be careful of what they eat prior to a run! :)


Nahhhh - this is the runners thread. Out on a run, we all discuss bodily functions LOL

Haha, and we certainly did! I mentioned the timing of the creatine ingestion, and he said it didn't matter much during a loading phase, and the unfortunate bodily response like I had can happen even if I had taken it hours before the run. Ugh, okay great... I'm new to both running and creatine! <BLECH!> :rolleyes:

[bhaputi]

I ran my last 5K before today Sunday's race and it got me wondering something about BB'ing vs. Running.

When running for 1/2 hr. or more and swinging your arms, aren't you effectively "toning" your arms? I notice after a long run my arms always seem smaller, I've attributed this to muscle loss and/or all the blood being in my legs.

Now I think it's because I'm "toning" (effectively shrinking) my arms while I run.

Thoughts?

I would measure them to be sure. I think it is just mental, or possibly dehydration. I do know that my arms get very tired after a tempo run or fast intervals, but not on LSD or easy runs. I think it is because when I run fast I follow the "pockets to nipples" standard for my hands - I make sure my hands go from the pockets to the nipples, which makes for quite a swing :)

[V-240]

I would measure them to be sure. I think it is just mental, or possibly dehydration. I do know that my arms get very tired after a tempo run or fast intervals, but not on LSD or easy runs. I think it is because when I run fast I follow the "pockets to nipples" standard for my hands - I make sure my hands go from the pockets to the nipples, which makes for quite a swing :)
Unless one has huge MOOBS! :D

[bhaputi]

Unless one has huge MOOBS! :D

Well, then you compensate for sagginess :p

[Bando]

Nervous. 39 hours until race, I did a 5k track run wed and didn't feel particularly fast/strong. I've talked 5 people into running the race with me but made it clear I'm running my race.

Thinking of wearing my OV35 T but don't want to be putting pins through it.

[bhaputi]

Nervous. 39 hours until race, I did a 5k track run wed and didn't feel particularly fast/strong. I've talked 5 people into running the race with me but made it clear I'm running my race.

Thinking of wearing my OV35 T but don't want to be putting pins through it.

There are bad days, and good days. Some of my best runs have come after miserable days, too. Good luck. I am thinking of running a 5K on Sunday night - 7 PM. Never done one in the evening before.

[runner05]

Nervous. 39 hours until race, I did a 5k track run wed and didn't feel particularly fast/strong. I've talked 5 people into running the race with me but made it clear I'm running my race.

Thinking of wearing my OV35 T but don't want to be putting pins through it.

I have a 5k on Sunday, but I don't race for speed - only to beat my own previous time. Good luck! I'm sure you'll do more than fine!

I don't know why, but some days are just good run days and some days are just not so good. Just run your own race and be proud of the accomplishment!!!

On another note - I was at the doctor's office last week, and, as they do, the nurse took my vitals before my seeing the doc. Doc comes in and says, "Are you a runner?" I had to laugh! Apparently, my resting heart rate at 59 and my blood pressure at 102/90 was a definite indicator of my running habit!

I've never had a problem with either, but I just thought... another benefit of keeping in shape!!! Kudos to me and to all of us for keeping our health in check!

[Bando]

On another note - I was at the doctor's office last week, and, as they do, the nurse took my vitals before my seeing the doc. Doc comes in and says, "Are you a runner?" I had to laugh! Apparently, my resting heart rate at 59 and my blood pressure at 102/90 was a definite indicator of my running habit!

I was in for colonoscopy last year and they hooked me up to the monitors and the nurse said "how long you been working out?" Resting heart rate was like 60.

1 year before that I was getting my liver sonogrammed because my cholesterol was off the charts.

[runner05]

I was in for colonoscopy last year and they hooked me up to the monitors and the nurse said "how long you been working out?" Resting heart rate was like 60.

1 year before that I was getting my liver sonogrammed because my cholesterol was off the charts.

That is AWESOME!

[bhaputi]

I recently had a physical for a job. I had to get up extra early, drive 2.5 hours into Philly, deal with parking and starving (12 hour fast). I sat down to get my HR/BP done. 53 (or 56, I forget for sure) on the HR even with all the crap and 110/60 for the BP. The nurse commented that she usually had people run in place for 30 seconds to elevate their HR - had me do it for about 2 full minutes. HR at that point was all the way up to 86. Gotta love CV training :)

[5krunner]

I ran a personal best 20:27 5k today, although it was on my treadmill. I wonder how close to that time I could have been while running on the road today??

[runner05]

I ran a personal best 20:27 5k today, although it was on my treadmill. I wonder how close to that time I could have been while running on the road today??

Wow!!! That is TOTALLY awesome!! Way to go, Jeff! You Rock!

[AndrewLK]

That is a great time. About 8-10 min better than me but I am working on that!!hehehehehe Keep it up man!!

[WordyGirl]

Years ago, I used to run track and I've been told that's what started some knee issues. I like to run, but I find myself stopping short of sprinting.
I'd like to know if it's still burning the same amount of calories as running. It certainly has my heart rate up. I've been doing half an hour on the treadmill every day. Or rather, trying to. Sometimes I've only gone for 20-25 depending on how I've mismanaged my time.

[Skidmarx]

I switched up my training this week. Today was the 2nd time I've done this new running workout, I love it....my ass is kicked afterwards. :D

2 mile moderate run
5 HIIT cycles(cycle = 60sec sprint + 90sec walk)
1 mile moderate run
1 mile walk

[Bando]

Last year when I was getting dressed for this race I was getting my running clothes on in the bathroom at Church when one of our deacons came in and mentioned he also runs. I invited him to this years race and he's gonna race with us. I was working on a project with him today and asked him what his time is like (he runs every morning.)

He runs a 5k in 16 minutes.

Last years winner was 18:11, so I've brought in a ringer.