Over 35 Runners Thread *Serious*

[Hibiscus09]

Diane - it's all trial and error. That is what training is for. I used to have bad cramps and couldn't figure out why. It was what I ate before a run that caused me to have the cramps. I have learned to eat light complex carbs and some protein a few hours before a run. I see some people drink a can of Pepsi at the starting line of a race and they claim it does wonders. That would cause me HUGE problems!

Thank you Chris! :) I know right after the MS150 they were passing out candy bars and sodas. :p

Before my long rides, I always went for bland things like bagels with some peanut butter and then I would take things along to have like Accelerade and Fig Newtons. Of course, I'm not running long enough yet to worry too much about anything. I just know I didn't care for the intestinal cramping at all, but I suppose that's not a symptom desired by anyone.

After Brian ran his half-marathons he headed straight for the beer stand. Now, that I get. :D

I can't wait to get the Kiawah house back. Then, I can run some flat lands and ride my bike on the in between days.

[spring85sigma]

I was just googling intestinal issues and running -- I didn't know there was something called "running trots" -- :eek: :D ! At least i just had cramping. har,har

This doctor says to eat three to four hours before exercise! I ate an hour and a half before running:

http://runningdoctor.runnersworld.com/2007/08/whats-the-deal-.html

Anyway, today I had Kashi Go Lean Waffles for breakfast and then my second meal was high protein pasta, 5oz. of chicken and 1/2 oz. almonds. Maybe I should have nixed the almonds before running. :p I was trying to get in enough carbs before I headed out.

I'm reading these things about eating before exercise! I found that I could never do it (LOL! Cramps, belching, etc.). I workout and run BEFORE I eat anything even if I'm late getting to the workout. I do drink a cup of strong coffee, but that is it! I guess this is another case where one has to really KNOW one's own metabolic idiosyncracies.

[dbx]

I'm reading these things about eating before exercise! I found that I could never do it (LOL! Cramps, belching, etc.). I workout and run BEFORE I eat anything even if I'm late getting to the workout. I do drink a cup of strong coffee, but that is it! I guess this is another case where one has to really KNOW one's own metabolic idiosyncracies.

If you don't walk away from here with anything else, heed these words; never workout on an empty stomach. Fasted cardio is great (the only way I ever do it), but not working out fasted! Big difference between the two.

Fwiw, I was the same way about when I started lifting. I was convinced I'd puke if I tried to lift with any food in me. A neighbor, who's a cop and a BBing mofo from hell (500# BP club etc..), told me to at the very least eat a tbsp of peanut butter and/or some honey for energy. I didn't do either, but I started eating a banana each time. And then, I added oatmeal....and the rest is history :). So yeah, I understand just how you feel, but I had no idea back then how non-productive and backward it could be not to eat. You'll get used to it.

[spring85sigma]

If you don't walk away from here with anything else, heed these words; never workout on an empty stomach. Fasted cardio is great (the only way I ever do it), but not working out fasted! Big difference between the two.

Fwiw, I was the same way about when I started lifting. I was convinced I'd puke if I tried to lift with any food in me. A neighbor, who's a cop and a BBing mofo from hell (500# BP club etc..), told me to at the very least eat a tbsp of peanut butter and/or some honey for energy. I didn't do either, but I started eating a banana each time. And then, I added oatmeal....and the rest is history :). So yeah, I understand just how you feel, but I had no idea back then how non-productive and backward it could be not to eat. You'll get used to it.

Thanks for the advice. I've done this now for so many years. It is also because I do my workout followed by my cardio. My entire workout rarely exceeds 90 minutes and I generally don't have a problem with "energy." I'm never "fasted." I am going to try the honey and peanut butter. I know from my personal experience that anything more than that causes me problems. I generally eat well after my workouts (immediately with food I've pre-prepared) into the evening hours. I eat when I'm hungry but generally stop eating around 8:30 at night. I have never been a BIG eater anyway, so I have a hard time eating what some people recommend---the six small meals a day. I'm usually up around 7:00 getting ready to work out. Thanks again for the feedback.

[Ophus]

If you can run 14 miles now, you can easily prepare and run Myrtle Beach in February.

After I did the Charlotte marathon, I did consider Myrtle Beach. Two of my friends do it every other year and they tell me the course is FLAT and they always try to hit a PB on that course. Weather is usually great in Febrary as well.

Thanks for the encouragement, man thats a long way!

[snoack]

Think this weekend may be my restart. Haven't run since the end of July, wanted to get my toe healed up all the way. This month I've been able to get pretty much full speed back to MA training, so much in fact that I'm actually looking forward to doing some sparring next month.

Think I'll start with a modified 'couch to 5k' program, probably start on Thursday because of how I want to fit it into my routine.

VERY much looking forward to this.

[chrisbute]

Think this weekend may be my restart. Haven't run since the end of July, wanted to get my toe healed up all the way. This month I've been able to get pretty much full speed back to MA training, so much in fact that I'm actually looking forward to doing some sparring next month.

Think I'll start with a modified 'couch to 5k' program, probably start on Thursday because of how I want to fit it into my routine.

VERY much looking forward to this.

I do MMA training and it has helped me in running since it is such an intense cardio workout. Get good running shoes!!
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I posted this in my journal but wanted to share with the runners:

Wow - I have had some killer workouts and have been fighting a cold/flu as well. Last Friday evening was my hilight -

1 mile into my treadmill run, this woman I know (mid 20's) comes onto a treadmill next to mine. She is a great runner and she has told me she is doing the same race as me (Turkey Trot 8K) on Thanksgiving. Her target time is between 35 and 38 minutes while mine is 43-45 minutes. We both reach 4 miles at the same time (yea I had a 1 mile head start) and she was slowing down getting ready to stop. I told her I was doing 5 miles and if she wanted to race to get to the fifth mile. She smiled and said "Sure" and she increased her speed. I increased speed to match her pace, but alas couldn't hold the pace! It was a thrill to keep up for 1/2 mile. The best part was she kept trying to get me to increase my speed (encourageing me to keep up). I did up to a certain point. People like her are so great to have as friends. She even thanked me for pushing her to do the extra mile.

[rpaul11]

I do MMA training and it has helped me in running since it is such an intense cardio workout. Get good running shoes!!
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I posted this in my journal but wanted to share with the runners:

Wow - I have had some killer workouts and have been fighting a cold/flu as well. Last Friday evening was my hilight -

1 mile into my treadmill run, this woman I know (mid 20's) comes onto a treadmill next to mine. She is a great runner and she has told me she is doing the same race as me (Turkey Trot 8K) on Thanksgiving. Her target time is between 35 and 38 minutes while mine is 43-45 minutes. We both reach 4 miles at the same time (yea I had a 1 mile head start) and she was slowing down getting ready to stop. I told her I was doing 5 miles and if she wanted to race to get to the fifth mile. She smiled and said "Sure" and she increased her speed. I increased speed to match her pace, but alas couldn't hold the pace! It was a thrill to keep up for 1/2 mile. The best part was she kept trying to get me to increase my speed (encourageing me to keep up). I did up to a certain point. People like her are so great to have as friends. She even thanked me for pushing her to do the extra mile.
just replied to you over there in your journal.

good luck

[snoack]

I do MMA training and it has helped me in running since it is such an intense cardio workout. Get good running shoes!!
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I posted this in my journal but wanted to share with the runners:

Wow - I have had some killer workouts and have been fighting a cold/flu as well. Last Friday evening was my hilight -

1 mile into my treadmill run, this woman I know (mid 20's) comes onto a treadmill next to mine. She is a great runner and she has told me she is doing the same race as me (Turkey Trot 8K) on Thanksgiving. Her target time is between 35 and 38 minutes while mine is 43-45 minutes. We both reach 4 miles at the same time (yea I had a 1 mile head start) and she was slowing down getting ready to stop. I told her I was doing 5 miles and if she wanted to race to get to the fifth mile. She smiled and said "Sure" and she increased her speed. I increased speed to match her pace, but alas couldn't hold the pace! It was a thrill to keep up for 1/2 mile. The best part was she kept trying to get me to increase my speed (encourageing me to keep up). I did up to a certain point. People like her are so great to have as friends. She even thanked me for pushing her to do the extra mile.


way cool,

thanks for the tip, got a good pair during my black belt prep that I've barely used since I messed my toe up.

[Marius_Ursus]

I picked up some cold-weather running gear Saturday. I was only going to get gloves, but my wife talked me into a hood and a beanie, too.

[Ophus]

I picked up some cold-weather running gear Saturday. I was only going to get gloves, but my wife talked me into a hood and a beanie, too.

I really like running with the beanie, it keeps my head warm and the sweat out of m eyes. And when it really gets cold I pull my hood up over my beanie!

[rpaul11]

I always kind chuckled when I saw folks running in shorts but gloves. I certainly understnd the gloves now. I'm thinking by the time I get to run again it will be treadmill only for the winter

[Marius_Ursus]

That's what I keep going over in my mind. What am I gonna do in a month when there's snow on all my routes?

[rpaul11]

That's what I keep going over in my mind. What am I gonna do in a month when there's snow on all my routes?

chase snowplows :D

[Marius_Ursus]

chase snowplows :D

I know you're joking around, but you gotta know, too, that now I'm actually considering it.

[rpaul11]

I know you're joking around, but you gotta know, too, that now I'm actually considering it.

well, ya gotta figure...more days tha not the roads are clear :)

[Marius_Ursus]

well, ya gotta figure...more days tha not the roads are clear :)

Yes, but the sidewalks aren't. I don't know how I feel about running on a thin layer of snow on top of blacktop...or better yet, running through slush in the gutter. :D

[rpaul11]

Yes, but the sidewalks aren't. I don't know how I feel about running on a thin layer of snow on top of blacktop...or better yet, running through slush in the gutter. :D

well, no sidewalks here......not where I run at least...you could always put on your boots and run that fitness trail

[Marius_Ursus]

well, no sidewalks here......not where I run at least...you could always put on your boots and run that fitness trail

What...a...f---ing...brilliant...idea...

I'll probably have to break into the park to get to it, but that's no big deal.

Man, that would be fun...

[jtroster]

Try these:
http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?c=2&p=40911&cat=2,51676

[rpaul11]

similar item a little cheaper http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0055188620769a&navCount=1&podId=0055188&parentId=cat350006&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20564-cat350006&catalogCode=UJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat350006&hasJS=true

[Marius_Ursus]

Nice!

You know, I never thought I'd spend more on running than I do on weight training. This was supposed to be one investment in a pair of shoes... :D

[rpaul11]

Nice!

You know, I never thought I'd spend more on running than I do on weight training. This was supposed to be one investment in a pair of shoes... :D

honestly...I'm really missingnot being able to run more than I'm missing lifting.

[spring85sigma]

similar item a little cheaper http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0055188620769a&navCount=1&podId=0055188&parentId=cat350006&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20564-cat350006&catalogCode=UJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat350006&hasJS=true

Luckily, I'm not in Syracuse anymore and won't need those! LOL! It has, however, been unusually chilly here in Virginia. Been wrapping up for my runs. They have, however, been some of the best runs I've done. I like breathing the brisk air!

Whose working out tomorrow? I know I am. That way, I can eat "A little.."---That is "a little" of this and "a little" of that! ;)


I am extremely thankful for the progress I've made and for the new friends I've made on here and wish you and yours the best Thanksgiving ever!

[Marius_Ursus]

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you!

I'll be running at least four miles tomorrow.

[rpaul11]

Luckily, I'm not in Syracuse anymore and won't need those! LOL! It has, however, been unusually chilly here in Virginia. Been wrapping up for my runs. They have, however, been some of the best runs I've done. I like breathing the brisk air!

Whose working out tomorrow? I know I am. That way, I can eat "A little.."---That is "a little" of this and "a little" of that! ;)


I am extremely thankful for the progress I've made and for the new friends I've made on here and wish you and yours the best Thanksgiving ever!

no training for me tomorrow :(

[chrisbute]

Happy Thanksgiving runners!!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll202/missmsdancearama/turkeytime.gif

[rpaul11]

Happy Thanksgiving runners!!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll202/missmsdancearama/turkeytime.gif

thanks man...good luck tomorrow :)

[erics44]

honestly...I'm really missingnot being able to run more than I'm missing lifting.

im missing it a lot, stopped it for the time being up to put on some weight

lookin forward to my bulking being over so I can pound the streets again

[runner05]

Happy T Day for all my running friends! God bless you all!!! *BIG mushy luv hugs for all* (and especially for dbx who really just likes my tuff love! hehe)

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/momxx6/Thanksgiving/thanksgiving_graphics_1.gif

[dbx]

Happy Thanksgiving runners!!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll202/missmsdancearama/turkeytime.gif

Back atchya, and all my fellow runners. Haven't posted in here lately, but I'm still putting in my miles. 6 miles yesterday, and I plan on hitting it for at least 4 or 5 tomorrow to start the day.

Everyone have a great day and stay safe!

[rpaul11]

im missing it a lot, stopped it for the time being up to put on some weight

lookin forward to my bulking being over so I can pound the streets again

I don't plan on stopping during my bulk....I will just find more to eat :D

[erics44]

I don't plan on stopping during my bulk....I will just find more to eat :D

will you have the time?

[rpaul11]

will you have the time?

I hope so :)

[dbx]

... *BIG mushy luv hugs for all* (and especially for dbx who really just likes my tuff love! hehe)


Aww...shucks :o ;)


I stuck to my plan this morning and managed 6.3 miles! I hit 6 miles in barely under 60 mins, which included resting/walking. Happy with that, and now I can feel like I've earned a few calories off what I know I'll be consuming throughout the day :).

Have a great day everyone!

[CATRACCOM]

Who goes running in the rain? I just couldn't make myself do it today.

[chrisbute]

Who goes running in the rain? I just couldn't make myself do it today.

It is tough for me as well, especially if it is cold.

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The 8K race went well. I did it in 44:20. It was a nice crisp day.

The 1 mile fun run was a blast with my 7 year old. He was nervous and I told him that was natural. I ran beside him and let him dictate the pace except for the very end in which was a mad dash for the finish line. The only good pic of both of us was at the starting line. I'm number 377 and Noah is 4029. His time was 10:30. I was so proud of him. He was 50 seconds away from picking up a third place trophy.

The second pic was him nearing the finish line. Excellent form!!

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/chrisbute/526558451406_0_ALB.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/chrisbute/Noahsprint.jpg

[flywheel99]

Back atchya, and all my fellow runners. Haven't posted in here lately, but I'm still putting in my miles. 6 miles yesterday, and I plan on hitting it for at least 4 or 5 tomorrow to start the day.

whoa!!!!


whoa!!!



what is going on here, kevin?

6 miles... then 5 miles?

Is this the same DBX Kevin from GA? Something is out of wack here.

What's going on, bro?

[Marius_Ursus]

Who goes running in the rain? I just couldn't make myself do it today.

I do. If you spend a few years in the tropics where you can't run if you don't run in the rain, you get used to it. :D

[spring85sigma]

I do. If you spend a few years in the tropics where you can't run if you don't run in the rain, you get used to it. :D

When I decided to get back into shape. I decided that I would run rain or shine. One of the things I noticed about myself is that I would take any excuse to allow myself to get sidetracked. The time I workout and run is now MY TIME and this has worked wonderfully for me. You really do get used to running in the rain. I've found it to be calming in some ways. Everybody have a great week.

[chrisbute]

whoa!!!!


whoa!!!



what is going on here, kevin?

6 miles... then 5 miles?

Is this the same DBX Kevin from GA? Something is out of wack here.

What's going on, bro?

Looks like a blast from the past is calling out DBX.

[dbx]

whoa!!!!


whoa!!!



what is going on here, kevin?

6 miles... then 5 miles?

Is this the same DBX Kevin from GA? Something is out of wack here.

What's going on, bro?


Looks like a blast from the past is calling out DBX.

Nah, lol. He's probably just remembering me whine about running three miles :). Then again, I'm not sure why he sounds so shocked :confused:

But he probably also missed where I've stated a few times earlier that these 4-7mile runs aren't straight through :D. Jon, I usually walk for .10 (currently) and then run 2mi...walk for .10...run 1mi..walk for .10...run for 1mi, etc... It's more of a fat burning quest than anything. But still! I usually hit 6 miles within 60 minutes, which a 10min mile pace ain't bad for an old guy, eh? :cool: Oh, and he probably doesn't know that I quit smoking too :).

So, how are things? Life keeping you busy?

[flywheel99]

Nah, lol. He's probably just remembering me whine about running three miles :).

i seem to remember that you whined about ANY running!

what's shakin, kevin? stopped smoking? awesome. how is your shoulder? totally fixed and feeling good?

i ran a 1/2 marathon in sept but have since only been hitting the weights. i really missed my squats and deads as i trained this summer for the 10 miler and 1/2.

your son still liking GA Tech?

[dbx]

i seem to remember that you whined about ANY running!

C'mon! I don't recall being that bad :o :D


what's shakin, kevin? stopped smoking? awesome. how is your shoulder? totally fixed and feeling good?

I think I'm on like, week 11 not smoking (quit on 9/11). Don't know if you recall, but I had the other shoulder done 90 days after the first. I guess I left here for a couple of months about that same time. Anyway, they're better than they were, but not as good as I'd like :). I may need total replacements down the road. Waaaay down the road.


i ran a 1/2 marathon in sept but have since only been hitting the weights. i really missed my squats and deads as i trained this summer for the 10 miler and 1/2.

That's awesome (1/2 marathon). Who knows, I may try it some day. But hey, I feel good about slugging through 5 or 6 right now. I lifted before I ever ran, but I must admit running is something I love to hate, kwim? :D


your son still liking GA Tech?

Yep. And he's living in an apt. off campus this year ("But dad, it costs about the same" :rolleyes: ). He's doing well.

Good to see you around!

[rpaul11]

good job on the 6 miles Kevin. how far do you think you could go in one stretch if you paced yourself?

[dbx]

good job on the 6 miles Kevin. how far do you think you could go in one stretch if you paced yourself?

Thanks Rich. I've been doing between 5 & 6.5 (total) runs for a few weeks now. When I prepared for my 1st 5K 2yrs ago, I ran 5.2 non-stop doing my neighborhood circuit. Now? I think I could do 7 or 8, maybe more, if I could run at any pace. I figure if I can run 6 miles at a 10min avg pace, I could squeeze in a few more miles at 11-12min pace. Maybe some day I'll feel ambitious enough to see :eek:

[dbx]

6.2 for this morning :). Took me 65 mins though.

[rpaul11]

Thanks Rich. I've been doing between 5 & 6.5 (total) runs for a few weeks now. When I prepared for my 1st 5K 2yrs ago, I ran 5.2 non-stop doing my neighborhood circuit. Now? I think I could do 7 or 8, maybe more, if I could run at any pace. I figure if I can run 6 miles at a 10min avg pace, I could squeeze in a few more miles at 11-12min pace. Maybe some day I'll feel ambitious enough to see :eek:

I meant if you ran straight through with no breaks...os that what you meant also? :)

[runner05]

Thanks Rich. I've been doing between 5 & 6.5 (total) runs for a few weeks now. When I prepared for my 1st 5K 2yrs ago, I ran 5.2 non-stop doing my neighborhood circuit. Now? I think I could do 7 or 8, maybe more, if I could run at any pace. I figure if I can run 6 miles at a 10min avg pace, I could squeeze in a few more miles at 11-12min pace. Maybe some day I'll feel ambitious enough to see :eek:

I think you'll find that once you start and get into that rhythm... especially once you've passed that 5-6 mile marker... you can just keep on going - especially if you've hydrated well enuf and if you keep the insulin levels up.

When I did my half last spring, I had not run over 10 miles, but still did the 13.1 close to my "normal" 10 minute mile 'cuz that's just what my body naturally runs when I don't push it - regardless of whether I'm going 3 miles, 10 miles, or more. :o

[runner05]

btw...

The easiest way for me to get in miles, is to have my son drop me off out of town as many miles from home as I want to go... then... I have no choice but to run my desired miles! :D

[rpaul11]

btw...

The easiest way for me to get in miles, is to have my son drop me off out of town as many miles from home as I want to go... then... I have no choice but to run my desired miles! :D

LOL


btw..how is your training going? you still planning another 1/2

[runner05]

LOL


btw..how is your training going? you still planning another 1/2

I am... but I'm thinking about a different one that's a little later than early spring. Who knows??? I'd really like to do both, but I've been slacking lately 'cuz of this harvest season that is draaaaaaaaaaggging on! Too darn much time at work! :mad:

We also see a LOT of wind here in ND and if I have my son drop me off out of town... I can cheat and run w/ the wind instead of against it... or at the very least have it at my side! hehe

[rpaul11]

I am... but I'm thinking about a different one that's a little later than early spring. Who knows??? I'd really like to do both, but I've been slacking lately 'cuz of this harvest season that is draaaaaaaaaaggging on! Too darn much time at work! :mad:

We also see a LOT of wind here in ND and if I have my son drop me off out of town... I can cheat and run w/ the wind instead of against it... or at the very least have it at my side! hehe

he could always drive you the other direction :p

[dbx]

I meant if you ran straight through with no breaks...os that what you meant also? :)

Yes :).


I think you'll find that once you start and get into that rhythm... especially once you've passed that 5-6 mile marker... you can just keep on going - especially if you've hydrated well enuf and if you keep the insulin levels up.

When I did my half last spring, I had not run over 10 miles, but still did the 13.1 close to my "normal" 10 minute mile 'cuz that's just what my body naturally runs when I don't push it - regardless of whether I'm going 3 miles, 10 miles, or more. :o

I'm sure you're right. It's not often (damn it :)), but I know what you mean by getting into that zone. And lol, I sure as hell didn't find that zone this morning :(

[rpaul11]

Yes :).



I'm sure you're right. It's not often (damn it :)), but I know what you mean by getting into that zone. And lol, I sure as hell didn't find that zone this morning :(

I have never found that zone :o

[dbx]

I have never found that zone :o

Seriously? It's pretty cool. Like...you almost forget you're running. Legs, breathing....all like on auto-pilot....like a fine running watch. It's almost weird :eek:

[runner05]

Seriously? It's pretty cool. Like...you almost forget you're running. Legs, breathing....all like on auto-pilot....like a fine running watch. It's almost weird :eek:

And THAT is why I love running! :) Mind numbing bliss!

[dbx]

And THAT is why I love running! :) Mind numbing bliss!

I just wish I could find it more often! TV helps me when I'm on the TM. I love The Sopranos (9am-10am on A&E) and often run at this time. It helps me a lot. Outdoors is definitely more optimal for zoning out though.

[rpaul11]

Seriously? It's pretty cool. Like...you almost forget you're running. Legs, breathing....all like on auto-pilot....like a fine running watch. It's almost weird :eek:

no...usually I'm wondering why my legs are moving but the rest of my body isn't :D

[dbx]

6.65 miles this morning :). But it took a total of 74mins to do it today. Tomorrow I finish week #4 of DC training, and I'm not supposed to do high intensity cardio anyway :p.

But fwiw, I'm really enjoying the DC program. I haven't even got it down pat yet, and I'm not sure if it's just because it's something different (which I badly needed) or of it's the program itself. Anyway, I feel great.

[runner05]

6.65 miles this morning :). But it took a total of 74mins to do it today. Tomorrow I finish week #4 of DC training, and I'm not supposed to do high intensity cardio anyway :p.

But fwiw, I'm really enjoying the DC program. I haven't even got it down pat yet, and I'm not sure if it's just because it's something different (which I badly needed) or of it's the program itself. Anyway, I feel great.

Silly boy... 6.65 miles sounds pretty intense to me! :) Glad to hear your liking your DC program! Finding something different is always a good way to kick things up a notch!

I eeked in a couple of miles last night... Work is exhausting me and SERIOUSLY cutting into my run time and any me-time at all! :mad: But, finding the time for even a mile or two really does help the mental state of mind! :o hehe

[rpaul11]

6.65 miles this morning :). But it took a total of 74mins to do it today. Tomorrow I finish week #4 of DC training, and I'm not supposed to do high intensity cardio anyway :p.

But fwiw, I'm really enjoying the DC program. I haven't even got it down pat yet, and I'm not sure if it's just because it's something different (which I badly needed) or of it's the program itself. Anyway, I feel great.

sounds like a good run Kevin....why do they say no intense cardio on that plan?



I eeked in a couple of miles last night... Work is exhausting me and SERIOUSLY cutting into my run time and any me-time at all! :mad: But, finding the time for even a mile or two really does help the mental state of mind! :o hehe
good for you....glad you gota run in there :)

[runner05]

sounds like a good run Kevin....why do they say no intense cardio on that plan?

good for you....glad you gota run in there :)

They are a necessity! :o

How's the arm?

[rpaul11]

They are a necessity! :o

How's the arm?

the splint came off this morning.

The Hematoma that was causing me all the pain is significantly less, but there is still residual blood under there. I can feel the hard areas. They are keeping the area kinda stiff. My instructions are to try to bend it and straighten it. No supination and no strengthening for now. PT of the same for 4 weeks then see the doc again.

Hopefully in another week I will get into a little bit of exercise again, then maybe another week and some light leg work :) and maybe even a fast walk/slow jog once in a while :)

No lifting upper body for at least a month though :(

[runner05]

the splint came off this morning.

The Hematoma that was causing me all the pain is significantly less, but there is still residual blood under there. I can feel the hard areas. They are keeping the area kinda stiff. My instructions are to try to bend it and straighten it. No supination and no strengthening for now. PT of the same for 4 weeks then see the doc again.

Hopefully in another week I will get into a little bit of exercise again, then maybe another week and some light leg work :) and maybe even a fast walk/slow jog once in a while :)

No lifting upper body for at least a month though :(

Sounds like it's coming along slowly but surely! :) Take care and let it take it's course in healing, 'cuz you certainly don't want to go backwards!

[dbx]

Silly boy... 6.65 miles sounds pretty intense to me! :) Glad to hear your liking your DC program! Finding something different is always a good way to kick things up a notch!

Well, my pace isn't exactly heart stopping either, and that's the main point. But yeah, it takes drive for me to keep running after each short rest. I've pretty much shortened my walk distance to .10 before running again each time I need to stop.


I eeked in a couple of miles last night... Work is exhausting me and SERIOUSLY cutting into my run time and any me-time at all! :mad: But, finding the time for even a mile or two really does help the mental state of mind! :o hehe

I understand where you're coming from, and it's a good thing you could squeeze in a couple of miles. Good job! ;)



sounds like a good run Kevin....why do they say no intense cardio on that plan?

Basically, they know cardio mostly involves legs, and they don't want to inhibit any recovery/growth while doing the program. You hit each muscle group only 4 days apart (not 7 days, like a lot of splits do).


the splint came off this morning.
Hopefully in another week I will get into a little bit of exercise again, then maybe another week and some light leg work :) and maybe even a fast walk/slow jog once in a while :)
(

Good to hear. You'll be back at it before you know it!

[runner05]

Well, my pace isn't exactly heart stopping either, and that's the main point. But yeah, it takes drive for me to keep running after each short rest. I've pretty much shortened my walk distance to .10 before running again each time I need to stop.


That's awesome!!! Oops... I mean... shorten it up even more, dammit!!! :p hehe

[rpaul11]

Well, my pace isn't exactly heart stopping either, and that's the main point. But yeah, it takes drive for me to keep running after each short rest. I've pretty much shortened my walk distance to .10 before running again each time I need to stop.



how do you think you'd fare if you cut your rests to say every 1.5 miles or every 2 miles??

[dbx]

how do you think you'd fare if you cut your rests to say every 1.5 miles or every 2 miles??

My current routine has been like this:
Walk .10
Run 2 miles
Walk .10
Run 1 mile (2 on a great day)
Walk .10
Run 1 mile
Walk .10 You get the idea........

But I have variations because of mood, how my legs feel, etc.. Today, I rested .15 at least twice, and I also was only able to run .75 on two occasions, instead of one full mile. My overall goal is either/or; Minimum of 50mins doing it....and/or 5 miles minimum. I manage to break 60 mins and 6 miles on most days.

[dbx]

It's been very quiet in here lately :( :)

Managed 6.3 miles this morning.....and tomorrow is my off day. I think I set a PR with hitting 6 miles right at 59:37. I've barely beaten 60mins before, but only by 5-10secs. I'm a groomsman in a wedding today, so I'll be on my feet from about 1PM until 7PM the way it's scheduled. I'll probably have some regret for not cheating on my mileage today :eek: I have to leave in an hour. Long day ahead!

[rpaul11]

It's been very quiet in here lately :( :)

!

haven't been running :(


Managed 6.3 miles this morning.....and tomorrow is my off day. I think I set a PR with hitting 6 miles right at 59:37.

nice :D


I'm a groomsman in a wedding today, so I'll be on my feet from about 1PM until 7PM the way it's scheduled. I'll probably have some regret for not cheating on my mileage today :eek: I have to leave in an hour. Long day ahead



enjoy your day

[dbx]

haven't been running :(
nice :D
enjoy your day

Not running because of the arm? Or...not running because you're like me; ran your first race and then retired for several months :D. No ****, that's what I did in 06'. You'd be surprised at how fast you can lose it!

Great day. Long as hell, but fun. Left here at 11:30am and got back just before 9PM. Nice wedding. The 3 hour photo shoot is what killed me :rolleyes: The food actually sucked too, and I just killed off a bowl of ice cream. But!!!!! My 20yr old son is cooking us both a chicken breast as I type :D. My legs are killing me.

[Bando]

It's been very quiet in here lately :( :)

We bought a treadmill a few weeks ago, a very nice, heavy conversation piece.

[rpaul11]

Not running because of the arm? Or...not running because you're like me; ran your first race and then retired for several months :D. No ****, that's what I did in 06'. You'd be surprised at how fast you can lose it!.

because of the arm. Still quite a bit of hematoma under the skin :mad: which makes it VERY stiff and Relatively sore.

Start therapy monday.

[dbx]

We bought a treadmill a few weeks ago, a very nice, heavy conversation piece.

As much as I like outdoor running, I'm sooooo glad I bought a treadmill 3yrs ago. I've gotten more than my money's worth from it.


because of the arm. Still quite a bit of hematoma under the skin :mad: which makes it VERY stiff and Relatively sore.

Start therapy monday.

I thought it might be that from a recent post you made. It sucks not to be able to do much of anything.

[spring85sigma]

Since I've realized that I now love to run, I want to make sure that my joints remain healthy. So far, there have been no problems. My other consideration is that I'm training to do planche push-ups (I guess a vanity goal. LOL :) )and this appears to have the potential to be hard on the joints. Right now I take the following:

Morning:
Men's One A Day Multivitamin
Fish, Flaxseed, and Borage Oil Combination Capsule
Garlic Tablet
25 Mg DHEA
81 mg Aspirin
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet

Night:
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet
B Complex
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc Combination Tablet

I've done this for years and it seems to have served me well. I'm now considering adding Glucosamine and Chondroitin and possibly some MSM to preserve the old joints ;) ! I'd like something that perhaps comes as a combination product. I take so many capsules. :( !

For those of you who have used these supplements, what are the benefits and/or side effects, if any? Favorite Brands? Prices? Or do you recommend something totally different?

Thanks in advance! Hope everyone is enjoying the remainder of their weekend.

[dbx]

6.35 miles this morning, damn it :).

[rpaul11]

6.35 miles this morning, damn it :).
good Job Kevin.

I'm gonna start walking again today :o

[spring85sigma]

6.35 miles this morning, damn it :).

Great job! I will just do my little two miles today! :( :)Hope all is well!

[spring85sigma]

Is there another thread on here where I might get some opinions on this topic? Thanks!


Since I've realized that I now love to run, I want to make sure that my joints remain healthy. So far, there have been no problems. My other consideration is that I'm training to do planche push-ups (I guess a vanity goal. LOL :) )and this appears to have the potential to be hard on the joints. Right now I take the following:

Morning:
Men's One A Day Multivitamin
Fish, Flaxseed, and Borage Oil Combination Capsule
Garlic Tablet
25 Mg DHEA
81 mg Aspirin
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet

Night:
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet
B Complex
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc Combination Tablet

I've done this for years and it seems to have served me well. I'm now considering adding Glucosamine and Chondroitin and possibly some MSM to preserve the old joints ;) ! I'd like something that perhaps comes as a combination product. I take so many capsules. :( !

For those of you who have used these supplements, what are the benefits and/or side effects, if any? Favorite Brands? Prices? Or do you recommend something totally different?

Thanks in advance! Hope everyone is enjoying the remainder of their weekend.

[dbx]

Since I've realized that I now love to run, I want to make sure that my joints remain healthy. So far, there have been no problems.

Morning:
Men's One A Day Multivitamin
Fish, Flaxseed, and Borage Oil Combination Capsule
Garlic Tablet
25 Mg DHEA
81 mg Aspirin
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet

Night:
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet
B Complex
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc Combination Tablet



I'm sorry nobody responded yet, Andrew. If your joints don't currently bother you, then don't worry about adding anything to what you're currently taking!

Although I do take some supps, I'm not a huge fan of vitamins in general. That is, I believe they're largely BS and unnecessary. I would put 1000mg of Vit C in that category (I used to do the same :)). I'm not familiar with borage oil's benefits, but I can tell you that I chose to eliminate flaxseed oil and go solely with fish oil after researching it. Flax may cause or aggravate prostate issues in men who may be prone to such, and fish oil edged out flax in benefits, imho.

Have you discussed taking aspirin daily with your doc? Don't just take it because you've seen commercials. It's not advised for many people.

I really know nothing of DHEA, so I can't comment there.

Other than that.... :)

[spring85sigma]

I'm sorry nobody responded yet, Andrew. If your joints don't currently bother you, then don't worry about adding anything to what you're currently taking!

Although I do take some supps, I'm not a huge fan of vitamins in general. That is, I believe they're largely BS and unnecessary. I would put 1000mg of Vit C in that category (I used to do the same :)). I'm not familiar with borage oil's benefits, but I can tell you that I chose to eliminate flaxseed oil and go solely with fish oil after researching it. Flax may cause or aggravate prostate issues in men who may be prone to such, and fish oil edged out flax in benefits, imho.

Have you discussed taking aspirin daily with your doc? Don't just take it because you've seen commercials. It's not advised for many people.

I really know nothing of DHEA, so I can't comment there.

Other than that.... :)

Thanks for commenting DBX!

All of the supplements I'm taking, I researched thoroughly and have been using for years. It appears, however, that some brands are better than others. Just as an example, I hurt my back about 4 years ago while helping my father move and developed a horrible case of sciatica. I was really into my doctoral studies and BROKE (Still am! :( :) ). I researched remedies for the ailment. A lot of sources suggested magnesium (which needs to be taken with calcium in order to be effective) and the B vitamins taken at night AND exercise. I followed this regimen and the sciatica was gone within a month and I haven't had it since.


Interestingly enough, with the fish oil, I had come across a number of studies suggesting that some people were getting too much Omega 6 fatty acids and that they should also be worried about Omega 3 and Omega 9 as well. The supplement I take contains all three.

I was just curious about the MSM and Glucosamine mostly and curious as to what had been people's experience with those supplements and whether or not there were any protective properties associated with taking them before shelling out some more money. As far as the aspirin, there is some history, though slight, of heart attacks and stroke in my family.

Once again, thanks for your comments. Your opinions are always valued. Take care!

[runner05]

Since I've realized that I now love to run, I want to make sure that my joints remain healthy. So far, there have been no problems. My other consideration is that I'm training to do planche push-ups (I guess a vanity goal. LOL :) )and this appears to have the potential to be hard on the joints. Right now I take the following:

Morning:
Men's One A Day Multivitamin
Fish, Flaxseed, and Borage Oil Combination Capsule
Garlic Tablet
25 Mg DHEA
81 mg Aspirin
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet

Night:
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet
B Complex
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc Combination Tablet

I've done this for years and it seems to have served me well. I'm now considering adding Glucosamine and Chondroitin and possibly some MSM to preserve the old joints ;) ! I'd like something that perhaps comes as a combination product. I take so many capsules. :( !

For those of you who have used these supplements, what are the benefits and/or side effects, if any? Favorite Brands? Prices? Or do you recommend something totally different?

Thanks in advance! Hope everyone is enjoying the remainder of their weekend.

Good morning!!!
The BEST "supplement" EVER for running... is your running shoes!!! Don't skimp there at all!! Buy great shoes that fit your feet the best and, the very minute any joint starts hurting, buy new shoes! Learned this one the hard way! :o

And... the best of luck to you! :)

[spring85sigma]

Good morning!!!
The BEST "supplement" EVER for running... is your running shoes!!! Don't skimp there at all!! Buy great shoes that fit your feet the best and, the very minute any joint starts hurting, buy new shoes! Learned this one the hard way! :o

And... the best of luck to you! :)

Thanks so much! I had already asked the people on here about running shoes and they were gracious enough to provide me with some great advice. I know that my New Balance aren't quite getting it any more. I need more arch support. Not having any joint pain yet, but feel that the arch is not supported. I checked into the Brooks running shoe per my colleagues suggestions and was about to buy a pair when the car died :) ! I will be getting a pair in January! Thanks again for your advice.

[runner05]

Thanks so much! I had already asked the people on here about running shoes and they were gracious enough to provide me with some great advice. I know that my New Balance aren't quite getting it any more. I need more arch support. Not having any joint pain yet, but feel that the arch is not supported. I checked into the Brooks running shoe per my colleagues suggestions and was about to buy a pair when the car died :) ! I will be getting a pair in January! Thanks again for your advice.

Find the shoes that works for you... spend the money... it's worth the pain of the high cost... but then, be smart and stop paying the high price for the same shoe. Find that shoe in the previous year's styles (I find them online) and pay 50-75% of the current style! When a shoe works, it makes no difference whether it's the current year's "style" and you can save a fortune on the older styles once you KNOW the shoe that works best for YOU! :)

[spring85sigma]

Find the shoes that works for you... spend the money... it's worth the pain of the high cost... but then, be smart and stop paying the high price for the same shoe. Find that shoe in the previous year's styles (I find them online) and pay 50-75% of the current style! When a shoe works, it makes no difference whether it's the current year's "style" and you can save a fortune on the older styles once you KNOW the shoe that works best for YOU! :)

Thanks again for the advice! LOL! I'm upset, the car died yet AGAIN :(on me, so I will definitely be searching for the bargains :) ! Take care!

[dbx]

6.2 miles today. And the best part is that I hit 6 miles at 58:50! That's about 45-50secs faster than my previous best :).

[runner05]

6.2 miles today. And the best part is that I hit 6 miles at 58:50! That's about 45-50secs faster than my previous best :).

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/pirate.gif Congrats! And, I mean that in a tuff luv, ruff and gruff kind of congrats!!! :D

[spring85sigma]

6.2 miles today. And the best part is that I hit 6 miles at 58:50! That's about 45-50secs faster than my previous best :).

Congrats Sir! It feels good when you post one of your personal bests.

I'm late starting my workout, but will have to do my running in the rain today :( !

Keep up the good work!

[MtnBikeMike]

6.2 miles today. And the best part is that I hit 6 miles at 58:50! That's about 45-50secs faster than my previous best :).

Nice.......you are rapidly closing in on those 9 minute miles!

[gjohnson5]

Good to see this thread bouncing again
Trying to run a few miles daily myself since I know dieting will be hard during Christman and New Year

Will justr have to stay strict as possible

[dbx]

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/pirate.gif Congrats! And, I mean that in a tuff luv, ruff and gruff kind of congrats!!! :D

Thanks ;). You know, if you'd have told me 6 months ago that I'd be running 6 mile sessions soon, I'd tell you that you were freakin' crazy :). God, I just realized that I'm now one of those people who runs 18 miles per week. That sounds crazy to me.


Congrats Sir! It feels good when you post one of your personal bests.

I'm late starting my workout, but will have to do my running in the rain today :( !

Keep up the good work!

Sucks to run in the rain. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm actually quite used to the treadmill now.


Nice.......you are rapidly closing in on those 9 minute miles!

Yeah, barely under 10mins for a 6mi distance, but to be honest, that's a secondary goal....if at all. I'm really trying to get an early start on summer fat burning. No, I'm not kidding. I came close to what I wanted to achieve this summer, but no cigar. I've still got belly fat that's probably about 40yrs old :D. And by God, I'm going after it ;)


Good to see this thread bouncing again
Trying to run a few miles daily myself since I know dieting will be hard during Christman and New Year

Will justr have to stay strict as possible

Yep. I did pretty good at Thanksgiving, and I plan on repeating that at X-mas. We all hear it, but it's hard to believe when you actually watch the scale go up 10lbs in just a matter of a few weeks during this time of year. And I've noticed these past few yrs that it gets progressively more difficult for me to burn it off.

[runner05]

Thanks ;). You know, if you'd have told me 6 months ago that I'd be running 6 mile sessions soon, I'd tell you that you were freakin' crazy :). God, I just realized that I'm now one of those people who runs 18 miles per week. That sounds crazy to me.


http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/hoohah.gif

[Ophus]

Since I've realized that I now love to run, I want to make sure that my joints remain healthy. So far, there have been no problems. My other consideration is that I'm training to do planche push-ups (I guess a vanity goal. LOL :) )and this appears to have the potential to be hard on the joints. Right now I take the following:

Morning:
Men's One A Day Multivitamin
Fish, Flaxseed, and Borage Oil Combination Capsule
Garlic Tablet
25 Mg DHEA
81 mg Aspirin
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet

Night:
500 Mg Vitamin C Tablet
B Complex
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc Combination Tablet

I've done this for years and it seems to have served me well. I'm now considering adding Glucosamine and Chondroitin and possibly some MSM to preserve the old joints ;) ! I'd like something that perhaps comes as a combination product. I take so many capsules. :( !

For those of you who have used these supplements, what are the benefits and/or side effects, if any? Favorite Brands? Prices? Or do you recommend something totally different?

Thanks in advance! Hope everyone is enjoying the remainder of their weekend.

I have to go with DBX on this one, I have tried most of the stuff you mention and couldn't tell a difference, especially the Glucosamine and Chondroitin. After I took them for several months, I saw some studies that showed absolutely no difference before and after taking them, which is what I experienced. So far creatine wonder supp for me, not much else besides a multi everyday.

[spring85sigma]

I have to go with DBX on this one, I have tried most of the stuff you mention and couldn't tell a difference, especially the Glucosamine and Chondroitin. After I took them for several months, I saw some studies that showed absolutely no difference before and after taking them, which is what I experienced. So far creatine wonder supp for me, not much else besides a multi everyday.

Interestingly enough, I've found the supplements that I'm taking extremely beneficial. Thought I'd share in the interest of seeing what other people were doing.

My main question was more about adding the Glucosamine and Chondroitin. I know some people who swear by it. I've never used it and was curious as to whether anyone on here had any experience with it.

As far as studies go, I was taught to thoroughly read and analyze the protocols (when available) and as one of my late great professors, Peter Mosenthal (lol he published over 600 studies), would say, "look for the agenda." I've found that studies concerning vitamins and other supplements are all over the place. I suspect that "effectiveness" probably has more to do with the quality of the supplement and ones individual body chemistry. I guess I'm coming to the conclusion that much of this is trial and error. Thanks for responding to my post! :)

Have a great weekend everyone!

By the way, I could not run my usual route because it was raining so bad so I had to run on the road the entire time :( . I was able to get 4 miles in 32:20! The first time I've run that far in a long time! :D

[dbx]

I have to go with DBX on this one, I have tried most of the stuff you mention and couldn't tell a difference, especially the Glucosamine and Chondroitin. After I took them for several months, I saw some studies that showed absolutely no difference before and after taking them, which is what I experienced. So far creatine wonder supp for me, not much else besides a multi everyday.

Well, let's not take what I said out of context :). I also take fish oil and other supps in general. I was merely pointing out that if he wasn't currently experiencing joint pain, then not to start taking anything for it. Hell, I've even heard it said that once you start taking glucosamine, Chondroitin, etc., that you'll be worse off if you try to quit using it. Anyway, like you, Ophus, I've tried it too and found no difference. However, I cannot dismiss the shear number of people who swear by it working for them. Kind of like a creatine non-responder saying creatine is worthless. Well, it may be to him, but not to those who respond.

[runner05]

Well, let's not take what I said out of context :). I also take fish oil and other supps in general. I was merely pointing out that if he wasn't currently experiencing joint pain, then not to start taking anything for it. Hell, I've even heard it said that once you start taking glucosamine, Chondroitin, etc., that you'll be worse off if you try to quit using it. Anyway, like you, Ophus, I've tried it too and found no difference. However, I cannot dismiss the shear number of people who swear by it working for them. Kind of like a creatine non-responder saying creatine is worthless. Well, it may be to him, but not to those who respond.

I think it's like anything else... whether it's joint problems, cholesterol problems or something else... some people are going to have issues regardless of what they do (usually thanks to genetics) and they NEED to work at making it better, and other people will never have issues regardless of what they do... :o

Thus the reason some swear by a certain drug or supp or something and the same thing will do nothing for others... We each need to find what works for us... But I certainly wouldn't go fixing a problem that doesn't exist... and that could simply be due to MY total laziness... ;)

[spring85sigma]

I think it's like anything else... whether it's joint problems, cholesterol problems or something else... some people are going to have issues regardless of what they do (usually thanks to genetics) and they NEED to work at making it better, and other people will never have issues regardless of what they do... :o

Thus the reason some swear by a certain drug or supp or something and the same thing will do nothing for others... We each need to find what works for us... But I certainly wouldn't go fixing a problem that doesn't exist... and that could simply be due to MY total laziness... ;)

I've gathered from the collective wisdom of those who've responded that if I'm not having joint problems that there is no reason to start on Glucosamine, Chondroitin, and/or MSM (I actually am glad to hear this!). Additionally, I'm to get the best running shoes I can afford! :) My training in Health Education and Counseling have definitely oriented me towards trying to prevent problems and I've tried to take that orientation into maintaining my health.

Also, I'm beginning to enjoy running and don't want to be sidelined in the future because of joint issues. I really appreciate this site and the diversity of opinion on here. I have a burning question about exercise balls, but will save that for another day and thread! LOL! :D Thanks again everyone.

[runner05]

I've gathered from the collective wisdom of those who've responded that if I'm not having joint problems that there is no reason to start on Glucosamine, Chondroitin, and/or MSM (I actually am glad to hear this!). Additionally, I'm to get the best running shoes I can afford! :) My training in Health Education and Counseling have definitely oriented me towards trying to prevent problems and I've tried to take that orientation into maintaining my health.

Also, I'm beginning to enjoy running and don't want to be sidelined in the future because of joint issues. I really appreciate this site and the diversity of opinion on here. I have a burning question about exercise balls, but will save that for another day and thread! LOL! :D Thanks again everyone.

A question about burning balls??!! :eek:



hehehehe

[dbx]

A question about burning balls??!! :eek:

No, I think he meant he was burning to have you exercise his balls. Or something like that :confused:


:D

You guys have a great weekend ;)

[runner05]

No, I think he meant he was burning to have you exercise his balls. Or something like that :confused:


:D

You guys have a great weekend ;)

LMAO... http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/rotfl1.gif

You all have a GR8 wkend as well!!!!

[gjohnson5]

3 miles last night and 3 miles this morning for a 5'9 220lber

My ass is totally kicked right now

[spring85sigma]

I think it's like anything else... whether it's joint problems, cholesterol problems or something else... some people are going to have issues regardless of what they do (usually thanks to genetics) and they NEED to work at making it better, and other people will never have issues regardless of what they do... :o

Thus the reason some swear by a certain drug or supp or something and the same thing will do nothing for others... We each need to find what works for us... But I certainly wouldn't go fixing a problem that doesn't exist... and that could simply be due to MY total laziness... ;)


No, I think he meant he was burning to have you exercise his balls. Or something like that :confused:


:D

You guys have a great weekend ;)

OOOPS! I guess I was rather unclear in my phrasing! :( LOL! A therapist SHOULD know better! ;) Once again, enjoy your weekends!

[runner05]

OOOPS! I guess I was rather unclear in my phrasing! :( LOL! A therapist SHOULD know better! ;) Once again, enjoy your weekends!

hehe Sorry... sometimes... many times actually... my mind wanders... :o

[dbx]

6.25 miles this morning and another PR. 6 miles in 57:20 :). I was struggling to make myself run today, too. My left foot felt bruised on the heel, and my right leg felt sore as hell in the quad area. It's weird how **** works out, eh? :)

My sons are home from school and it's my daughter's B-day today. We also plan on doing some x-mas related stuff because we are way behind.

Have a great day.

[rpaul11]

6.25 miles this morning and another PR. 6 miles in 57:20 :). I was struggling to make myself run today, too. My left foot felt bruised on the heel, and my right leg felt sore as hell in the quad area. It's weird how **** works out, eh? :)

My sons are home from school and it's my daughter's B-day today. We also plan on doing some x-mas related stuff because we are way behind.

Have a great day.

how are your shoes holding up? Could this be related to your foot?

Good run anyway.

I'm gonna walk a few today...the arm is finally loosening up some :)

[dbx]

how are your shoes holding up? Could this be related to your foot?

Good run anyway.

I'm gonna walk a few today...the arm is finally loosening up some :)

I wasn't even going to mention this, but..... I haven't been using my $120 pair of Nimbus since the 5K race. Instead, I've been using the Aasics that I wear daily. They're in "new" condition, but I never liked the fit on the foot bridge (top). Today, because I was determined to run, I finally put on the Nimbus 9's. They felt somewhat better, but the truth is that I won't know until later this afternoon and tonight. This distance I've been running has been taking its toll at night. I seriously hobble to make it to the bathroom at night :o. The heel on my left foot especially, feels like I was a guest at a Turkish prison (they beat the bottoms of your feet with bats & sticks :)). It must be my gait....I don't know. Been going on for quite some time. Maybe I just need to inject an extra day off from running.

Glad to hear that the arm is loosening up. Now, get your ass out and run :)

[rpaul11]

I wasn't even going to mention this, but..... I haven't been using my $120 pair of Nimbus since the 5K race. Instead, I've been using the Aasics that I wear daily. They're in "new" condition, but I never liked the fit on the foot bridge (top). Today, because I was determined to run, I finally put on the Nimbus 9's. They felt somewhat better, but the truth is that I won't know until later this afternoon and tonight. This distance I've been running has been taking its toll at night. I seriously hobble to make it to the bathroom at night :o. The heel on my left foot especially, feels like I was a guest at a Turkish prison (they beat the bottoms of your feet with bats & sticks :)). It must be my gait....I don't know. Been going on for quite some time. Maybe I just need to inject an extra day off from running.

Glad to hear that the arm is loosening up. Now, get your ass out and run :)



in all seriousness. How much calf stretching do you do? When my wife hurt her heel...they stretched the HELL out of her calf. Are you sure you are stretching enough?

I think I'll be running in another week or 2. Its still a little tender and the shock will bother it a lot. Next weekend I plan to get back to the gym and start on the leg machines. Machine only as I'm not supposed t olift anything with the arm so I don't wanna be picking up plates. But it will be good to get back at it a little.

[dbx]

in all seriousness. How much calf stretching do you do? When my wife hurt her heel...they stretched the HELL out of her calf. Are you sure you are stretching enough?

I stretch just as I always have. Not long, but enough for it to "work". I'm guessing that it's a combination of my gait (as it pertains to running on a TM), and the distance, frequency, and rest time I've been using these past 2 mths.

[rpaul11]

Just a FYI.......I ran tonight.

Slowly. 4 mph...yes, barely a jog...at 3% incline for 15 mins. I walked for 7 at 3.5, then did the 15 min jog, then walked again for the last 8 mins.

Felt good.

:D

[CATRACCOM]

Just a FYI.......I ran tonight.

Slowly. 4 mph...yes, barely a jog...at 3% incline for 15 mins. I walked for 7 at 3.5, then did the 15 min jog, then walked again for the last 8 mins.

Felt good.

:D

Don't hurt yourself and do too much too soon...

[rpaul11]

Don't hurt yourself and do too much too soon...

well, it's been a month since it got cut...so I'm not concerned about bleeding. I intentionally went slow. My initial thought was 3 mins...it still had no discomfort so I stretched it to 8...just keept uping it a little and trying to really concentrate on what was going on in there if anything.

This is not gonna be a daily thing for sure. walking will, but not running. Just a small test today :)

[CATRACCOM]

well, it's been a month since it got cut...so I'm not concerned about bleeding. I intentionally went slow. My initial thought was 3 mins...it still had no discomfort so I stretched it to 8...just keept uping it a little and trying to really concentrate on what was going on in there if anything.

This is not gonna be a daily thing for sure. walking will, but not running. Just a small test today :)

Well then...yeah! Carry on...:)

[dbx]

Just a FYI.......I ran tonight.

Slowly. 4 mph...yes, barely a jog...at 3% incline for 15 mins. I walked for 7 at 3.5, then did the 15 min jog, then walked again for the last 8 mins.

Felt good.

:D

Excellent Rich. Hey, 40+mins had to feel good.

[Ophus]

Interestingly enough, I've found the supplements that I'm taking extremely beneficial. Thought I'd share in the interest of seeing what other people were doing.

My main question was more about adding the Glucosamine and Chondroitin. I know some people who swear by it. I've never used it and was curious as to whether anyone on here had any experience with it.

As far as studies go, I was taught to thoroughly read and analyze the protocols (when available) and as one of my late great professors, Peter Mosenthal (lol he published over 600 studies), would say, "look for the agenda." I've found that studies concerning vitamins and other supplements are all over the place. I suspect that "effectiveness" probably has more to do with the quality of the supplement and ones individual body chemistry. I guess I'm coming to the conclusion that much of this is trial and error. Thanks for responding to my post! :)

Have a great weekend everyone!

By the way, I could not run my usual route because it was raining so bad so I had to run on the road the entire time :( . I was able to get 4 miles in 32:20! The first time I've run that far in a long time! :D

I agree with you completely esepecially about the quality of supps, for example I took OTC niacin for cholesterol, no difference at all, no flushing no drop in cholesterol nothing. Doctor says you need to try niaspan(prescription time released niacin) ok whatever doc. Boy was she right that stuff set me on fire, at a 1/4 of the dose and lowered my cholesterol 15-20 points. Could be I experienced the sam poor quality with the joint supps.

[Ophus]

Well, let's not take what I said out of context :). I also take fish oil and other supps in general. I was merely pointing out that if he wasn't currently experiencing joint pain, then not to start taking anything for it. Hell, I've even heard it said that once you start taking glucosamine, Chondroitin, etc., that you'll be worse off if you try to quit using it. Anyway, like you, Ophus, I've tried it too and found no difference. However, I cannot dismiss the shear number of people who swear by it working for them. Kind of like a creatine non-responder saying creatine is worthless. Well, it may be to him, but not to those who respond.


Sorrry didn't mean to mischaracterize, I do like my z-mass for sleep.

I thought DHEA had to be injected to get any real benefit, maybe I'm misinformed?

[dbx]

I was a slacker this morning. Barely managed 5 miles :). Legs were struggling. I'm convinced I need to skip a cardio day this week, or at least find another method for a day.

[spring85sigma]

I was a slacker this morning. Barely managed 5 miles :). Legs were struggling. I'm convinced I need to skip a cardio day this week, or at least find another method for a day.

You definitely need to mix up the cardio a little and give the legs a rest! 5 miles is still a great achievement under the circumstances! :)

[runner05]

I was a slacker this morning. Barely managed 5 miles :). Legs were struggling. I'm convinced I need to skip a cardio day this week, or at least find another method for a day.

Are you running EVERY day???

[dbx]

Are you running EVERY day???

No, only 3 times per week (Tue, Thu, & Sat), but I've been doing this 6mi thing for a couple of months now, and I've never run this kind of session/weekly distance in my life! I'm doing DC training Mon, Wed, & Fri, which gives me Sunday for an off day. This is much more cardio than DC calls for, but I have a reason for it. I'm also in week #6, and in DC a "blast" phase can last between 4-12 weeks, depending on the individual and the intensity they employ. I may be nearing time for a "cruise" already. And it could just be that my CNS is fatigued by the distance running on top of the DC, which would make the most sense. I can tell you this though, I've still been beating the log book each session and have felt great. I already knew I was doing more cardio than I should be, but I'm kinda driven like that :). I think I'll just dial down the running a bit, tighten up the diet, and keep going in my program until I'm truly fatigued.

[runner05]

No, only 3 times per week (Tue, Thu, & Sat), but I've been doing this 6mi thing for a couple of months now, and I've never run this kind of session/weekly distance in my life! I'm doing DC training Mon, Wed, & Fri, which gives me Sunday for an off day. This is much more cardio than DC calls for, but I have a reason for it. I'm also in week #6, and in DC a "blast" phase can last between 4-12 weeks, depending on the individual and the intensity they employ. I may be nearing time for a "cruise" already. And it could just be that my CNS is fatigued by the distance running on top of the DC, which would make the most sense. I can tell you this though, I've still been beating the log book each session and have felt great. I already knew I was doing more cardio than I should be, but I'm kinda driven like that :). I think I'll just dial down the running a bit, tighten up the diet, and keep going in my program until I'm truly fatigued.

Sounds like you're doing AWESOME!!!

Just thought it sounded like you were running every day, which of course is not good... ;)

I need your stamina and need to get back on track 'cuz I've been seriously slacking this winter due to too much work, buying a house (which is lingering on FOREVER), and now this whole thing w/ my car...

I need some SERIOUS "me" time! :o And nothing helps my mental status like a good run! :)

[rpaul11]

No, only 3 times per week (Tue, Thu, & Sat), but I've been doing this 6mi thing for a couple of months now, and I've never run this kind of session/weekly distance in my life! I'm doing DC training Mon, Wed, & Fri, which gives me Sunday for an off day. This is much more cardio than DC calls for, but I have a reason for it. I'm also in week #6, and in DC a "blast" phase can last between 4-12 weeks, depending on the individual and the intensity they employ. I may be nearing time for a "cruise" already. And it could just be that my CNS is fatigued by the distance running on top of the DC, which would make the most sense. I can tell you this though, I've still been beating the log book each session and have felt great. I already knew I was doing more cardio than I should be, but I'm kinda driven like that :). I think I'll just dial down the running a bit, tighten up the diet, and keep going in my program until I'm truly fatigued.

hey man....18 miles a week on top of that program you are doing is definitely gonna take its toll at some point. Skipping a day of running, or scaling it back to say maybe 2 miles to keep in the groove of things sounds like a fine idea to me.

[dbx]

Sounds like you're doing AWESOME!!!

Just thought it sounded like you were running every day, which of course is not good... ;)

I need your stamina and need to get back on track 'cuz I've been seriously slacking this winter due to too much work, buying a house (which is lingering on FOREVER), and now this whole thing w/ my car...

I need some SERIOUS "me" time! :o And nothing helps my mental status like a good run! :)

The combination of running and lifting keeps me sane. I still wrestle with not smoking, and running is damn near a literal way to keep from it some times. It's a constant reminder that I can fill my lungs with more air, feel less fatigued, feel the oxygen rush, and push myself harder.

What's the lingering part of buying a house?

[runner05]

The combination of running and lifting keeps me sane. I still wrestle with not smoking, and running is damn near a literal way to keep from it some times. It's a constant reminder that I can fill my lungs with more air, feel less fatigued, feel the oxygen rush, and push myself harder.

What's the lingering part of buying a house?

Running does wonderful things... SO much more than just physical! :)

Buying the house w/o a realtor from a little old lady w/o any clue... and more than a bit reluctant to sell her family home... although her kids are definitely pushing it. So, I'm trying to be patient. :o

[dbx]

Buying the house w/o a realtor from a little old lady w/o any clue... and more than a bit reluctant to sell her family home... although her kids are definitely pushing it. So, I'm trying to be patient. :o

Ah, I see. That is a bit different from the norm in home buying :). Hey, if it's worth it, just bide your time. It's a good time to be buying ;)

[runner05]

Ah, I see. That is a bit different from the norm in home buying :). Hey, if it's worth it, just bide your time. It's a good time to be buying ;)

It's an old house that need LOTS of luv (work)... hehe BUT... it has GREAT character... and the "potential" is exactly what I want! :) I'm not in a great hurry, and I did finally get her to give me a purchase agreement, after explaining what that was! :D So, the ball is def rolling.

[dbx]

It's an old house that need LOTS of luv (work)... hehe BUT... it has GREAT character... and the "potential" is exactly what I want! :) I'm not in a great hurry, and I did finally get her to give me a purchase agreement, after explaining what that was! :D So, the ball is def rolling.

Sounds great. If 09' goes like I expect it will, I'll be looking for just such a house :D. And there's nothing I can't do in the way of renovation, repair, etc., when it comes to electrical, plumbing, framing, sheetrock, hardwood/tile floors, etc... I find it therapeutic :).

[runner05]

Sounds great. If 09' goes like I expect it will, I'll be looking for just such a house :D. And there's nothing I can't do in the way of renovation, repair, etc., when it comes to electrical, plumbing, framing, sheetrock, hardwood/tile floors, etc... I find it therapeutic :).

Hopefully... LBM will feel the same... after working w/ me on these things... :D Of course, we'll have to take "breaks" now and then.... ;)

However, I did get her to pay for all electrical repairs and updates before I move in... as well as some plumbing/bathroom updates. :cool:

[rpaul11]

Sounds great. If 09' goes like I expect it will, I'll be looking for just such a house :D. And there's nothing I can't do in the way of renovation, repair, etc., when it comes to electrical, plumbing, framing, sheetrock, hardwood/tile floors, etc... I find it therapeutic :).

me too man...I love it. I'm the ultimate DIY'er. The only 2 jobs at my house I didn't tackle were my new sewer....mainly because it was about 7ft below grade :eek: and my roof and siding because I couldn't get any laborers to commit to me for 2 weeks :)

it is relaxing though. I'd love to get into a fixer-uper that I could make the renovations then flip it. but ahhhh...money :o

[runner05]

me too man...I love it. I'm the ultimate DIY'er. The only 2 jobs at my house I didn't tackle were my new sewer....mainly because it was about 7ft below grade :eek: and my roof and siding because I couldn't get any laborers to commit to me for 2 weeks :)

it is relaxing though. I'd love to get into a fixer-uper that I could make the renovations then flip it. but ahhhh...money :o

This house is so much more than a fixer-upper to me... it's a VERY old house w/ the old wood work, hardwood floors, staircase, and oak double pocket doors separating living room and dining room, as well as other cool "antique" features.... definitely needs updating but I want to maintain the integrity of the house while doing so... My 13 y.o. daughter sees a "hobo house" that needs complete renovation whereby I see a "treasure in the rough". LOL

I don't think I could flip a house just for the money... this one is more about the enjoyment of getting exactly what I want... but then... hey! I am female!! hehe :D

[rpaul11]

This house is so much more than a fixer-upper to me... it's a VERY old house w/ the old wood work, hardwood floors, staircase, and oak double pocket doors separating living room and dining room, as well as other cool "antique" features.... definitely needs updating but I want to maintain the integrity of the house while doing so... My 13 y.o. daughter sees a "hobo house" that needs complete renovation whereby I see a "treasure in the rough". LOL

I don't think I could flip a house just for the money... this one is more about the enjoyment of getting exactly what I want... but then... hey! I am female!! hehe :D

I see dollar signs flashing before my eyes :D

[runner05]

I see dollar signs flashing before my eyes :D

Such a guy... :o


Maybe we could run ahead of you w/ a $100 bill and see how far you could REALLY run??? :D

[rpaul11]

Such a guy... :o


Maybe we could run ahead of you w/ a $100 bill and see how far you could REALLY run??? :D

pfffftttttttt :rolleyes: I bet you couldn't keep up with me :D

[runner05]

pfffftttttttt :rolleyes: I bet you couldn't keep up with me :D

LMAO... OK... I'm up for that challenge... ummm... except in warmer weather than I'm having now, of course! :o

[rpaul11]

LMAO... OK... I'm up for that challenge... ummm... except in warmer weather than I'm having now, of course! :o

hey....it's almost 30 here :D

how's your training for your 1/2 coming? or should I ask :)

[runner05]

hey....it's almost 30 here :D

how's your training for your 1/2 coming? or should I ask :)

Don't ask! hehe Nutrition is NOT on key... Running is lacking big time at only a couple of times per week... Weights are nearly non-existent lately... I've been slacking so badly w/ this whole harvest fiasco and then the house thing... but now throwing a car thing into the mix, I'm gonna have to get back into more running just to save my sanity!

[runner05]

btw... Rich... it's not nice to brag...

We are now UP to 1 degree BELOW zero! :mad:

[chrisbute]

LMAO... OK... I'm up for that challenge... ummm... except in warmer weather than I'm having now, of course! :o

Hey - Rich may have stumbled onto something. We should all do the same race. Neutral site of course. Cooper River in Charleston is always a nice partylike 10K. Problem is that hotel rooms fill up quickly. Just a thought.....

Rich has 30 degrees, Runner05 has -1 degree, I'm at a nice 57 degrees. Overcast though!

[rpaul11]

btw... Rich... it's not nice to brag...

We are now UP to 1 degree BELOW zero! :mad:

I wasn't bragging...just invinting you to come train in a more temperate climate :)

I ws thinking of YOU...

yeah...that's it !!!!!!!!! :D

[rpaul11]

Hey - Rich may have stumbled onto something. We should all do the same race. Neutral site of course. Cooper River in Charleston is always a nice partylike 10K. Problem is that hotel rooms fill up quickly. Just a thought.....

Rich has 30 degrees, Runner05 has -1 degree, I'm at a nice 57 degrees. Overcast though!

I think that would be a lot of fun for a bunch of us to get together for a race sometime. Not sure it would be logistically feasible...but it would be fun.

[runner05]

Hey - Rich may have stumbled onto something. We should all do the same race. Neutral site of course. Cooper River in Charleston is always a nice partylike 10K. Problem is that hotel rooms fill up quickly. Just a thought.....

Rich has 30 degrees, Runner05 has -1 degree, I'm at a nice 57 degrees. Overcast though!
Bragger! :mad: :D
Great idea though!! I would LOVE that! :)

I wasn't bragging...just invinting you to come train in a more temperate climate :)

I ws thinking of YOU...

yeah...that's it !!!!!!!!! :D
That was ALMOST believable, Rich! hehe

I think that would be a lot of fun for a bunch of us to get together for a race sometime. Not sure it would be logistically feasible...but it would be fun.
QFT!

[rpaul11]

Bragger! :mad: :D
Great idea though!! I would LOVE that! :)

That was ALMOST believable, Rich! hehe

QFT!

almost? :rolleyes: it was true dammit :D

[runner05]

almost? :rolleyes: it was true dammit :D

Yeah? OK... I believe you... :rolleyes: :p

[rpaul11]

Yeah? OK... I believe you... :rolleyes: :p

I am so NOT feeling the love here :mad: :(

[runner05]

I am so NOT feeling the love here :mad: :(

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[rpaul11]

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[dbx]

Hey - Rich may have stumbled onto something. We should all do the same race. Neutral site of course. Cooper River in Charleston is always a nice partylike 10K. Problem is that hotel rooms fill up quickly. Just a thought.....

I'd be up for it in SC :). Maybe in Spring?

[runner05]

http://www.theoutdoorsplace.net/images/smilies/FLIPA.gif

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:p

[chrisbute]

I'd be up for it in SC :). Maybe in Spring?

I have done this race once before and I believe it is in March. It's really a blast to do and even better for all the post race festivities.

[rpaul11]

I have done this race once before and I believe it is in March. It's really a blast to do and even better for all the post race festivities.

that definitely will be out for me then :( I will very likely be in GA for a wedding in late Feb...so my mad money funds will be kinda short at the time.

[meanmo]

thought id check in here and ask for some advice.

I'm a cyclist but Im trying to get into triathlons and have begun running. Im also trying to get hired onto the fire department here in town and I believe they require some moderate running in their physical testing as well as their academy. I started out with 2 miles on flat grass and around a 10 minute mile pace. From a cardio standpoint I felt pretty good and im in really good shape but my joints hurt, mostly knees. It almost felt like I was bone on bone in my right knee. I was a baseball catcher through college and have had some work done so it wasnt a complete surprise. Anyways, after a mile I felt a lot better and I think my gait improved once I got loose. I plan on increasing about 10% in distance per week for now but would love any advice that might make this transition into running/jogging more comfortable. I had some swelling in my right knee but I dont think it was injured per se. I started taking the 'animal flex' as well. Here is a basic outline of my approach, id love any advice or recommendations.

On shoes I went with a stability shoe, the NB 1130..

Use R.I.C.E to deal with swelling after running

run 3 times per week (starting with 2 miles and increasing 10%/wk total mileage)

try to run on grass and avoid ground that is not flat..

Other than that I was considering wearing a neoprene brace on my right knee, just for patella compression/stabilty and warmth..

thanks

[dbx]

thought id check in here and ask for some advice.


It sounds like you've got all the bases covered. The only thing I'd add is this; you're in great shape, but the knee pain will subside greatly on its own, after you've given your joints time to strengthen back up. That's it.

[dbx]

I have done this race once before and I believe it is in March. It's really a blast to do and even better for all the post race festivities.

Let's see if there is enough interest. As you probably know, I'm by no means a race fanatic and have only run two 5Ks, lol. But it's be fun to meet other members from here...if it all lines up. In my life right now, 3mths away is a lifetime.

[runner05]

that definitely will be out for me then :( I will very likely be in GA for a wedding in late Feb...so my mad money funds will be kinda short at the time.
My house is sucking up all my "mad money funds" and every other "fund" I have... :( And... I REALLY need to go see my sis in AZ this spring if at all possible... How about a run in the Phoenix area? :D

thought id check in here and ask for some advice.

I'm a cyclist but Im trying to get into triathlons and have begun running. Im also trying to get hired onto the fire department here in town and I believe they require some moderate running in their physical testing as well as their academy. I started out with 2 miles on flat grass and around a 10 minute mile pace. From a cardio standpoint I felt pretty good and im in really good shape but my joints hurt, mostly knees. It almost felt like I was bone on bone in my right knee. I was a baseball catcher through college and have had some work done so it wasnt a complete surprise. Anyways, after a mile I felt a lot better and I think my gait improved once I got loose. I plan on increasing about 10% in distance per week for now but would love any advice that might make this transition into running/jogging more comfortable. I had some swelling in my right knee but I dont think it was injured per se. I started taking the 'animal flex' as well. Here is a basic outline of my approach, id love any advice or recommendations.

On shoes I went with a stability shoe, the NB 1130..

Use R.I.C.E to deal with swelling after running

run 3 times per week (starting with 2 miles and increasing 10%/wk total mileage)

try to run on grass and avoid ground that is not flat..

Other than that I was considering wearing a neoprene brace on my right knee, just for patella compression/stabilty and warmth..

thanks


I'm assuming the advice you're seeking is primarily for your knee problems???
The best advice EVER in my book would be to have your gait checked by a store that specializes in running and running shoes. I'm not sure about the shoe you're using, but, even if it's a great shoe, it may not be the one for you. Regardless, you need a WONDERFUL cushion to run on and watch for any break down in your shoes... Grass or anything other than a hard surface is great also, but a cushioned treadmill may be your best bet with joint problems.

I also use Xtend at the end of my run... as well as Orange Triad daily, which may be similar to your animal pak...

Although 10% may be the "recommended" percentage to increase your runs, each of us differs, so listen to your body and slow down if need be.

I have also had to run w/ a brace, but have weaned off of it again. So, that too may be a good choice for you...

Regardless... listen to your body and do NOT push what it's not ready to accomplish! :)


GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *hugs*

[runner05]

Let's see if there is enough interest. As you probably know, I'm by no means a race fanatic and have only run two 5Ks, lol. But it's be fun to meet other members from here...if it all lines up. In my life right now, 3mths away is a lifetime.

My brain is failing me this week... and maybe I never knew, but... Where are you?

[dbx]

Where are you?

Why, in your dream, of course ;) :D

Atlanta! :p

[meanmo]

It sounds like you've got all the bases covered. The only thing I'd add is this; you're in great shape, but the knee pain will subside greatly on its own, after you've given your joints time to strengthen back up. That's it.

thats good to hear, like most things I figured I would need to harden myself up a little to that particular movement. My lifting has really been reduced as well so I should be losing some upper body muscle weight which will help. Thanks






I'm assuming the advice you're seeking is primarily for your knee problems???
The best advice EVER in my book would be to have your gait checked by a store that specializes in running and running shoes. I'm not sure about the shoe you're using, but, even if it's a great shoe, it may not be the one for you. Regardless, you need a WONDERFUL cushion to run on and watch for any break down in your shoes... Grass or anything other than a hard surface is great also, but a cushioned treadmill may be your best bet with joint problems.

I also use Xtend at the end of my run... as well as Orange Triad daily, which may be similar to your animal pak...

Although 10% may be the "recommended" percentage to increase your runs, each of us differs, so listen to your body and slow down if need be.

I have also had to run w/ a brace, but have weaned off of it again. So, that too may be a good choice for you...

Regardless... listen to your body and do NOT push what it's not ready to accomplish! :)


GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *hugs*

*hugs*

thanks very much, that is good to hear.. Ill look for a recommended running shoe store in the area. I guess my fear is pushing it too fast and being injured at my critical testing time late next summer. Im 207 now but already pretty lean, if I can lose another 10-15 pounds of muscle im sure that would make a big difference and 190lbs at 8-9% would satisfy my bodybuilder ego.. I appreciate the help Runner05..

Cheers

[runner05]

Why, in your dream, of course ;) :D

Atlanta! :p
LOL That's what I thought... :D

thats good to hear, like most things I figured I would need to harden myself up a little to that particular movement. My lifting has really been reduced as well so I should be losing some upper body muscle weight which will help. Thanks



*hugs*

thanks very much, that is good to hear.. Ill look for a recommended running shoe store in the area. I guess my fear is pushing it too fast and being injured at my critical testing time late next summer. Im 207 now but already pretty lean, if I can lose another 10-15 pounds of muscle im sure that would make a big difference and 190lbs at 8-9% would satisfy my bodybuilder ego.. I appreciate the help Runner05..

Cheers

Cheers to you! Keep it slow, but steady... :)

[meanmo]

Cheers to you! Keep it slow, but steady... :)

did 2.5 the other night, felt real stiff at first but loosened up after the first mile. I probably need to warm up better. The knee is swollen but have little pain or soreness which is good. Im not sure if the swelling is bad in and of itself, it really doesnt hurt. ill get there

[runner05]

did 2.5 the other night, felt real stiff at first but loosened up after the first mile. I probably need to warm up better. The knee is swollen but have little pain or soreness which is good. Im not sure if the swelling is bad in and of itself, it really doesnt hurt. ill get there

Sometimes... swelling iz gud... :D


Oops! Sorry... just talked to LBM and mind wandered... :o



ANYWAY>>>>>>>> Definitely be sure to stretch before you run. I'm SO bad at remembering to do that 'cuz I'm usually so anxious to just GO... but it is very, very important if you are having any problems at all! Did you wear a knee brace at all?

Congrats on the 2.5! That's awesome! *hugs*

[meanmo]

Sometimes... swelling iz gud... :D


Oops! Sorry... just talked to LBM and mind wandered... :o



ANYWAY>>>>>>>> Definitely be sure to stretch before you run. I'm SO bad at remembering to do that 'cuz I'm usually so anxious to just GO... but it is very, very important if you are having any problems at all! Did you wear a knee brace at all?

Congrats on the 2.5! That's awesome! *hugs*

I wore the brace but im not sure it helped it all. In fact, I think it kind of had an affect on my gait at first. I do like the compression and warming though, doubt ill stick with it to be honest. I think my best gift to my knees would be dropping 15 lbs... and yes, LBM takes his swelling seriously cause its so rare for him...;)

[runner05]

I wore the brace but im not sure it helped it all. In fact, I think it kind of had an affect on my gait at first. I do like the compression and warming though, doubt ill stick with it to be honest. I think my best gift to my knees would be dropping 15 lbs... and yes, LBM takes his swelling seriously cause its so rare for him...;)

hehe But so good for me... ;)


Is your knee brace hinged? Or is it just a compression type brace?
I do find that most anything inhibits my running... I like simple shorts and a tank... and socks/shoes of course. :) But, nothing else, even my ipod has to be the small shuffle and clip on so it's not cumbersome.

[meanmo]

hehe But so good for me... ;)


Is your knee brace hinged? Or is it just a compression type brace?
I do find that most anything inhibits my running... I like simple shorts and a tank... and socks/shoes of course. :) But, nothing else, even my ipod has to be the small shuffle and clip on so it's not cumbersome.


it has some metal hinges, I may go with a pure compression type. I hear you on stuff being cumbersome though, im headed that way I think. Too bad I have the bigger Ipod, im sure that will bother me as I build distance.

[runner05]

it has some metal hinges, I may go with a pure compression type. I hear you on stuff being cumbersome though, im headed that way I think. Too bad I have the bigger Ipod, im sure that will bother me as I build distance.

The hinges are built more for stability though, which you will not get w/ the compression brace... which really offers no more than compression and warmth. If you have a brace w/ hinges, there's a reason for them and you apparently need the stability. I would def not go w/o if at all possible. :(

[meanmo]

The hinges are built more for stability though, which you will not get w/ the compression brace... which really offers no more than compression and warmth. If you have a brace w/ hinges, there's a reason for them and you apparently need the stability. I would def not go w/o if at all possible. :(

well I just bought the braces recently, It wasnt prescribed or anything. I actually have an old ACL brace from my athletics days 20 years ago but I dont think I need it anymore.


I didnt know you and LBM had something going on... ive always liked him..:)

[runner05]

well I just bought the braces recently, It wasnt prescribed or anything. I actually have an old ACL brace from my athletics days 20 years ago but I dont think I need it anymore.


I didnt know you and LBM had something going on... ive always liked him..:)

And was your old ACL brace due to a tear or something... Did you ever have it repaired? Just be careful w/ your knees... new ones are expensive and not as good as the ones you have... :D

I like him more... ;) And, I'm not sharing him w/ you... Sorry! hehe

[meanmo]

And was your old ACL brace due to a tear or something... Did you ever have it repaired? Just be careful w/ your knees... new ones are expensive and not as good as the ones you have... :D

I like him more... ;) And, I'm not sharing him w/ you... Sorry! hehe

nice...well, good for you two!:)

I dislocated my knee playing baseball as a catcher and have had several operations but still get pretty good use out of it. Its actually similar to an LCL brace, its meant for a torn LCL and is more for lateral stabilty then the ACL brace, the college had a prosthetics lab fit me for it.... My biggest problem is patella type issues from over use but I still get generalized pain. IDK, I know its probably not the best thing for me but I need to give it a try due to my interest in Triatlons and getting into the fire department. If it gets too bad ill have to rethink my strategy I guess.

[rpaul11]

nice...well, good for you two!:)

I dislocated my knee playing baseball as a catcher and have had several operations but still get pretty good use out of it. Its actually similar to an LCL brace, its meant for a torn LCL and is more for lateral stabilty then the ACL brace, the college had a prosthetics lab fit me for it.... My biggest problem is patella type issues from over use but I still get generalized pain. IDK, I know its probably not the best thing for me but I need to give it a try due to my interest in Triatlons and getting into the fire department. If it gets too bad ill have to rethink my strategy I guess.

keep in mind that you knee pain MIGHT also just be your joints getting used to running again. It took my hip a while to get adjusted. For you it might be your knee. Good luck

[meanmo]

keep in mind that you knee pain MIGHT also just be your joints getting used to running again. It took my hip a while to get adjusted. For you it might be your knee. Good luck

thanks and yes, I agree 100%. When I just got into cycling I had a lot of back and ass pain until I hardened up to the motion so I assume its probably even more so with running. Im also taking the animal flex supp which I think may help a little. Ill probably try to run tonight, then ride 100 miles or so this weekend. Next week ill try to run two 3-4 mile courses I think. I love that you just put your shoes on and go, with cycling you have to get **** ready and the weather plays a larger role.

[runner05]

thanks and yes, I agree 100%. When I just got into cycling I had a lot of back and ass pain until I hardened up to the motion so I assume its probably even more so with running. Im also taking the animal flex supp which I think may help a little. Ill probably try to run tonight, then ride 100 miles or so this weekend. Next week ill try to run two 3-4 mile courses I think. I love that you just put your shoes on and go, with cycling you have to get **** ready and the weather plays a larger role.

Running FTW once again! :)

Good luck, hun... and don't push it too hard too fast... that's the biggest mistake most people make, although I know that you know better! :D

[rpaul11]

I love that you just put your shoes on and go, with cycling you have to get **** ready and the weather plays a larger role.
yeah. Put on your biking shorts and shirt, get helmet, get glasses, check tire pressure, get out pump, inflate tires AGAIN :mad: Get out bike rack, put bike rack on truck, drive to trail,take bike off rack, go home because you forgot your water bottle, drive back...take bike off rack again...ride...LOL

Running FTW once again! :)

Good luck, hun... and don't push it too hard too fast... that's the biggest mistake most people make, although I know that you know better! :D

knowing better and doing better is not my forte :D

[runner05]

knowing better and doing better is not my forte :D

I think most of us probably have "issues" w/ that... :o

[rpaul11]

Cold Weather running gear

Ok...I have my underarmour mock , 1/4 zip pullover, and leggins, but am thinking I need a beanie, gloves and a wind breaker and wind pants for those cold days If I plan to keep at it outdoors at all this winter.

Any suggesions on those items would be greatly appreciated.

also...do yall wear any special socks when the temps get real cold?

[rpaul11]

Cold Weather running gear

Ok...I have my underarmour mock , 1/4 zip pullover, and leggins, but am thinking I need a beanie, gloves and a wind breaker and wind pants for those cold days If I plan to keep at it outdoors at all this winter.

Any suggesions on those items would be greatly appreciated.

also...do yall wear any special socks when the temps get real cold?

well allright then...thanks folks :D

[dbx]

well allright then...thanks folks :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/dbx/wheeloffortunen00b.jpg

Hey, I use the TM in the winter. Hell, I use the TM most of the time in the summer too :).

[rpaul11]

Hey, I use the TM in the winter. Hell, I use the TM most of the time in the summer too :).

that's what I'm doing now....but would like to get outdoors more :)

[Marius_Ursus]

Cold Weather running gear

Ok...I have my underarmour mock , 1/4 zip pullover, and leggins, but am thinking I need a beanie, gloves and a wind breaker and wind pants for those cold days If I plan to keep at it outdoors at all this winter.

Any suggesions on those items would be greatly appreciated.

also...do yall wear any special socks when the temps get real cold?

I wear two pairs. I have some ankle-height hiking Athletic Works socks that I wear under my regular white crew socks.

As for the other stuff I picked up a spandex Under Armor running hood and a beanie to go with my rash guard, T-shirt, and sweat shirt, and running gloves.

I kinda look like a ninja when I'm out running now.

[runner05]

well allright then...thanks folks :D
LOL :D
No special socks... but I don't run outside when it's cold either... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/dbx/wheeloffortunen00b.jpg

Hey, I use the TM in the winter. Hell, I use the TM most of the time in the summer too :).
Yep... winter is a special time for me and my TM to spend quality time together... :D

that's what I'm doing now....but would like to get outdoors more :)
Only if the weather warms up... more than the 14 deg we have today... :( (yes, wimpy runner here)

[rpaul11]

I wear two pairs. I have some ankle-height hiking Athletic Works socks that I wear under my regular white crew socks.

As for the other stuff I picked up a spandex Under Armor running hood and a beanie to go with my rash guard, T-shirt, and sweat shirt, and running gloves.

I kinda look like a ninja when I'm out running now.

ok...what kinda running gloves?

[Marius_Ursus]

LOL :D
No special socks... but I don't run outside when it's cold either... :p

Yep... winter is a special time for me and my TM to spend quality time together... :D

Only if the weather warms up... more than the 14 deg we have today... :( (yes, wimpy runner here)

Come on, R05, anything over 0 is all good! :D

[rpaul11]

LOL :D
No special socks... but I don't run outside when it's cold either... :p

Yep... winter is a special time for me and my TM to spend quality time together... :D

Only if the weather warms up... more than the 14 deg we have today... :( (yes, wimpy runner here)

I don't think I'll be doing much runing in 14 degrees either. LOL...but when its in the mid 20's I'm thinking I might

[Marius_Ursus]

ok...what kinda running gloves?

Under Armor. They're just a pair of thin neoprene liners. Dick's was running a special on cold-weather running gear right about the time I wrecked my ankle, so I went ahead and picked up all that stuff I listed.

[rpaul11]

Under Armor. They're just a pair of thin neoprene liners. Dick's was running a special on cold-weather running gear right about the time I wrecked my ankle, so I went ahead and picked up all that stuff I listed.

gotcha....well I guess you haven't tried them out much with the ankle :p

I need a hat, gloves, and some windbreaker pants/jacket for sure.....just not sure what to get.

[Marius_Ursus]

gotcha....well I guess you haven't tried them out much with the ankle :p

I need a hat, gloves, and some windbreaker pants/jacket for sure.....just not sure what to get.

I went for a walk/jog last night. The ankle was tolerable but still hurt a little.

I love the Under Armor gear I bought. It's all light and keeps me warm enough not to notice that it's so cold out. I mean, last night it was 15 degrees, and I barely felt it. I attribute most of that to the ninja hood and beanie.

[rpaul11]

I went for a walk/jog last night. The ankle was tolerable but still hurt a little.

I love the Under Armor gear I bought. It's all light and keeps me warm enough not to notice that it's so cold out. I mean, last night it was 15 degrees, and I barely felt it. I attribute most of that to the ninja hood and beanie.

I have some under aromor gear and I love it...but when that wind blows...it still cuts right through...ya know??

[meanmo]

I have some under aromor gear and I love it...but when that wind blows...it still cuts right through...ya know??

I hear you man, it got down to the 50's here yesterday....:D

[rpaul11]

I hear you man, it got down to the 50's here yesterday....:D

come talk to me when it hits 100 :p

[spring85sigma]

come talk to me when it hits 100 :p

Greetings sir!

I see the gang came through with their usual combination of wit and wisdom. :) My problem as of late has been the temperature fluctuations. In the past 8 days I've run in 67 degree weather, 51, 42, and yesterday barely made it above freezing. Today has been about 39. Tomorrow is going to be about 61. I've been trying to make sure I'm not too hot or too cold! :(

Anyway, to add to the advice you are getting, I've found a few links that may be of assistance to you! Take care and happy running!

http://running.about.com/od/safetyweather/tp/coldweathersafety.htm

http://running.about.com/od/coldweatherrunning/a/wintergear.htm

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-267-269-12420-0,00.html

[runner05]

I hear you man, it got down to the 50's here yesterday....:D

:mad: How rude! (yes, extremely jealous)






:D

[meanmo]

:mad: How rude! (yes, extremely jealous)






:D

*reaches for tanning oil*


now, what was that hun?

[runner05]

*reaches for tanning oil*


now, what was that hun?

And LBM was telling me you were a nice guy... :mad: We may have to reform that opinion!!! ;)


Actually, he just called and is on the Interstate going about 35mph on glare ice roads... :( This weather sucks! Hmmm... Maybe we'll just move down there! Hand over that tanning oil... hun!!!! :D

[Marius_Ursus]

I have some under aromor gear and I love it...but when that wind blows...it still cuts right through...ya know??

Even when you layer?

[rpaul11]

Even when you layer?

yeah...that's why I need some sort of windbreaker....them gusts kill ya...

[meanmo]

And LBM was telling me you were a nice guy... :mad: We may have to reform that opinion!!! ;)


Actually, he just called and is on the Interstate going about 35mph on glare ice roads... :( This weather sucks! Hmmm... Maybe we'll just move down there! Hand over that tanning oil... hun!!!! :D

I highly advise it if you like the outdoors.. I have 10k' high mountains surrounding me and the sea of cortez 4hrs away.. I love it out here, 300+ days of sunshine

[runner05]

I highly advise it if you like the outdoors.. I have 10k' high mountains surrounding me and the sea of cortez 4hrs away.. I love it out here, 300+ days of sunshine

*packing*

[rpaul11]

2 miles tonight on the treadmill at a 12 min pace.

Felt good to get back at it. The lungs are in better shape than the legs at the moment. I could have gone longer..but there was some aching going on.

[dbx]

2 miles tonight on the treadmill at a 12 min pace.

Felt good to get back at it. The lungs are in better shape than the legs at the moment. I could have gone longer..but there was some aching going on.

At least you're getting back to it! :)

I have been running, but not my previous 6mi distance these past 3 outings. I had to cut back a bit so it didn't effect my current progress in lifting. Idid do 55 mins. cardio today, but it only included 2.5 miles of running.

[paullyt]

Weee, nothing makes me want to go running like a -20 wind chill factor. http://www.mbnvbc83mc.info

[rpaul11]

At least you're getting back to it! :)

I have been running, but not my previous 6mi distance these past 3 outings. I had to cut back a bit so it didn't effect my current progress in lifting. Idid do 55 mins. cardio today, but it only included 2.5 miles of running.


2.5 is a solid run man. 2-3 was my average run when training for my 5k. Only a handfull of times did I go over that distance. I'm gonna work my way back to 3 miles at a 10 min pace and do that about 3 times a week. Or at least that's my plan.

[dbx]

2.5 is a solid run man. 2-3 was my average run when training for my 5k. Only a handfull of times did I go over that distance. I'm gonna work my way back to 3 miles at a 10 min pace and do that about 3 times a week. Or at least that's my plan.

Welllllllll....actually what I did was; 1 mile, calisthenics for 20mins or so, 1 mile, calisthenics, speed walking. I've just been trying to keep my heart rate up by constant moving for one hour. For calisthenics, I do anything from toe touches, imitating jumping rope (don't have the clearance to actually do it), shadow boxing, etc... It's been a great break for my left foot, which had been bothering me after running so much. It's actually a nice change.

[rpaul11]

Welllllllll....actually what I did was; 1 mile, calisthenics for 20mins or so, 1 mile, calisthenics, speed walking. I've just been trying to keep my heart rate up by constant moving for one hour. For calisthenics, I do anything from toe touches, imitating jumping rope (don't have the clearance to actually do it), shadow boxing, etc... It's been a great break for my left foot, which had been bothering me after running so much. It's actually a nice change.

sounds like some good work :)

[dbx]

sounds like some good work :)

Well, when the sweat starts pouring off me....I know I'm on the right path. Since quitting smokes, I had gained like, 10lbs. I've managed to shed about 5 of that, and keep it from getting worse. It'd be nice if this were pure bf burning, but it's kinda like being on a treadmill (literally!) to make sure I don't become a 30lbs-40lbs gain statistic. It's weird the way the metabolism changes.

[rpaul11]

Well, when the sweat starts pouring off me....I know I'm on the right path. Since quitting smokes, I had gained like, 10lbs. I've managed to shed about 5 of that, and keep it from getting worse. It'd be nice if this were pure bf burning, but it's kinda like being on a treadmill (literally!) to make sure I don't become a 30lbs-40lbs gain statistic. It's weird the way the metabolism changes.

how much have your eating habits changed?

I put on 5since my surgery and noticed it was all in my stomach so I'm glad I'm getting back into things now. Funny thing I noticed that when I wasn't working out...I seemed hungrier than when I worked out. the same amount of food didn't seem to satisfy me.

at least I thought it was strange.

[dbx]

how much have your eating habits changed?

I put on 5since my surgery and noticed it was all in my stomach so I'm glad I'm getting back into things now. Funny thing I noticed that when I wasn't working out...I seemed hungrier than when I worked out. the same amount of food didn't seem to satisfy me.

at least I thought it was strange.

Eating habits really haven't changed at all. It's the body's way of saying it wants something in exchange for what it gave up. Hell, I don't know...but I do know that everyone I know of my age that quit smoking gained a ****load of weight. It ain't happening to me! And no, they didn't workout either, but I can honestly say it's odd the way it seems much harder just to stay freakin' even :eek:

[chrisbute]

Merry Christmas runners!

May we get lots of Under Armour clothing, a heart rate monitor with GPS, a new pair of running shoes, a sports bra (for the chicks), a technical running shirt and some "Wet and Wild" video's.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/practicalindulgence/Movies-TV/dream_1.jpg

[rpaul11]

Merry Christmas to you too Chris. :)

[Marius_Ursus]

Merry Christmas runners!

May we get lots of Under Armour clothing, a heart rate monitor with GPS, a new pair of running shoes, a sports bra (for the chicks), a technical running shirt and some "Wet and Wild" video's.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/practicalindulgence/Movies-TV/dream_1.jpg

A sports bro.

No...a sports mansiere!

[runner05]

Merry Christmas runners!

May we get lots of Under Armour clothing, a heart rate monitor with GPS, a new pair of running shoes, a sports bra (for the chicks), a technical running shirt and some "Wet and Wild" video's.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/practicalindulgence/Movies-TV/dream_1.jpg

hehe Seems nobody wants the sports bra here... but I'll take it! :D "Twould be PAINFUL to be w/o!!! :p

Merry Christmas to all my runner friends... Kevin, Chris, Rich, momod, marius, hibiscus... and all those my memory fails to mention... *BIG hugs all around*

Merry Christmas to all... and to all a good night! ;)

God Bless You and Yours!!!!!!!!!!

[rpaul11]

Merry Christmas Everybody :D

[dbx]

Hey, I almost posted a Merry X-mas just for you guys, but I went ahead and posted a whole damn thread for you losers in this forum :p

But......I hope you all had a good one :). I did my cardio yesterday, and I'll be doing the last day of wk #7 of DC training in about 30mins.

It was a very nice Christmas. But like most, I'm glad it's over with. And btw, could I interest anyone here in taking a mother in-law off my hands? She has left it wide open as to when she'll be going back to OH :eek:

[rpaul11]

Hey, I almost posted a Merry X-mas just for you guys, but I went ahead and posted a whole damn thread for you losers in this forum :p

But......I hope you all had a good one :). I did my cardio yesterday, and I'll be doing the last day of wk #7 of DC training in about 30mins.

It was a very nice Christmas. But like most, I'm glad it's over with. And btw, could I interest anyone here in taking a mother in-law off my hands? She has left it wide open as to when she'll be going back to OH :eek:

will you take a Father in law as a trade?

[dbx]

will you take a Father in law as a trade?

Maybe. Is he sane?

[rpaul11]

Maybe. Is he sane?

he is sane, however he is the perfect combination of downright miserable, irrational and bull headed :D

[MantisShrimp]

I'm 36, trying to find the perfect balance of running and leg work in the gym. It's hard to do. Never have any desire to involve myself in runs over 400m, 800m, and 5k, basically anything in the 15-30 minute range tops is what I like, enough to get cardiovascular benefit but not enough to destroy gains.

Main problem I have had is that squatting twice a week kills the desire to run. I usually do 20 minutes of quasi-HIIT at 3.5mph/12mph twice or thrice a week, but with 2 hard squat sessions a week the desire to run goes right out the window. Mainly the balance point for me is in learning how to control the monday session and keep the training weight somewhere in the 50-65% 1RM range, without squatting to failure.

It's not easy to simultaneously hit goals of the 5:30 mile and 400 pound squat, especially in your 30s, but that's what I'd like to do ultimately.

[rpaul11]

I'm 36, trying to find the perfect balance of running and leg work in the gym. It's hard to do. Never have any desire to involve myself in runs over 400m, 800m, and 5k, basically anything in the 15-30 minute range tops is what I like, enough to get cardiovascular benefit but not enough to destroy gains.

Main problem I have had is that squatting twice a week kills the desire to run. I usually do 20 minutes of quasi-HIIT at 3.5mph/12mph twice or thrice a week, but with 2 hard squat sessions a week the desire to run goes right out the window. Mainly the balance point for me is in learning how to control the monday session and keep the training weight somewhere in the 50-65% 1RM range, without squatting to failure.

It's not easy to simultaneously hit goals of the 5:30 mile and 400 pound squat, especially in your 30s, but that's what I'd like to do ultimately.


have you considered cutting your leg days to once per week? or doing a heavy leg day and a lighter leg day? When I was doing legs twice per week I know it was tough getting my 3-4 runs per week in also. How many days do you run? How is your diet? Your body does need time to recover :)

[dbx]

he is sane, however he is the perfect combination of downright miserable, irrational and bull headed :D

In that case, you can keep him. My mother in-law is delusional, but she's got a nice personality.

[MantisShrimp]

have you considered cutting your leg days to once per week? or doing a heavy leg day and a lighter leg day? When I was doing legs twice per week I know it was tough getting my 3-4 runs per week in also. How many days do you run? How is your diet? Your body does need time to recover :)

Yep, that's what I did. I had a light day and a heavy day "on paper" but the problem was that every monday when I got into the gym for "light day" the "lightness" went out the window and I ended up with 2 heavy days.

As for runs, I'm currently doing 2x a week, and slipping one in on the weekends if I feel up to it. My sleep is not particularly good, I have possible apnea and GERD but my nutrition is pretty high protein, I eat a lot of chicken, steak, crab, and whey. I also have the problem of hypogonadism which I have been diagnosed with twice but I think that is largely psychosomatic and may just be suppressed testosterone due to overtraining.

The main thing is getting that leg day under control. Leg days are heavily taxing. I can go hard on upper body day twice a week and not feel systemically affected, but 2x heavy leg days wreaks havoc on my sleep and CNS.

[rpaul11]

Yep, that's what I did. I had a light day and a heavy day "on paper" but the problem was that every monday when I got into the gym for "light day" the "lightness" went out the window and I ended up with 2 heavy days.

As for runs, I'm currently doing 2x a week, and slipping one in on the weekends if I feel up to it. My sleep is not particularly good, I have possible apnea and GERD but my nutrition is pretty high protein, I eat a lot of chicken, steak, crab, and whey. I also have the problem of hypogonadism which I have been diagnosed with twice but I think that is largely psychosomatic and may just be suppressed testosterone due to overtraining.

The main thing is getting that leg day under control. Leg days are heavily taxing. I can go hard on upper body day twice a week and not feel systemically affected, but 2x heavy leg days wreaks havoc on my sleep and CNS.


I am not familiar at all with hypogonadism. However I do suffer with sleep apnea, and get very little relief with teh cpap machine prescribed to me, so I understand sleep deprivation.

If it were me I would try cutting my leg days to one per week....even if it is short term and experimental. See how things work. the extra rest may even increase your strength on leg days and allow you to get your runs in also.

[rpaul11]

I did 3 miles tonight at a 10 min pace. Felt good the whole way but didn't get into it mentally until the last mile. Lungs felt good, legs felt good, arm felt good.

:)

[Bando]

I did a little over 2 miles in 26 minutes, not bad for my "off season." First time I've really run since my last 5K, felt good.

[rpaul11]

I did a little over 2 miles in 26 minutes, not bad for my "off season." First time I've really run since my last 5K, felt good.

good job man. feels good to go a few miles huh?

This was my 3rd run since I had my arm surgery. First one was like a 4mph pace...so it was hardly even a run...more of a test for the arm.

[Bando]

good job man. feels good to go a few miles huh?

This was my 3rd run since I had my arm surgery. First one was like a 4mph pace...so it was hardly even a run...more of a test for the arm.

I had my elbow brace on since my elbows ache from heavy lifting. I was surprised how natural and comfortable it felt. I ran at 10/min/mile for a little while and my stride came right back, I think the highest my pulse got was 133. Total of 1/2 hour of running

[rpaul11]

I had my elbow brace on since my elbows ache from heavy lifting. I was surprised how natural and comfortable it felt. I ran at 10/min/mile for a little while and my stride came right back, I think the highest my pulse got was 133. Total of 1/2 hour of running

I don't check my HR when I run and the monitor on my treadmill is way off. As far as the arm hurting....if mine aches at all...I will stop running. Don't need to go backwards with this thing :) But yeah...I've run with an elbow brace on before I had it repaired :)

[dbx]

Good to see Bando and RP hitting it again. I'd taken about a week off from strictly running for my cardio, as my left foot/heel had been feeling beaten for quite a while. Needed a break.

But after the eating sins I've committed this past week...geeez, I always forget just how much water each gram of carbs soak up.....I decided to pay for my sins, so I just knocked off 5.1 miles in a 50 minute span. Kinda felt good. The eating madness must stop :eek:

[Skidmarx]

Gawd I haven't ran in a month. I did walk a couple miles this morning with my weighted vest on though. Does that count for anything? :o

[rpaul11]

Good to see Bando and RP hitting it again.



heck yeah....now if we can get the rest of the gang back in here we'll really be rolling.


.....I decided to pay for my sins, so I just knocked off 5.1 miles in a 50 minute span. Kinda felt good. The

good run man.


The eating madness must stop :eek:

Guilty :o


Gawd I haven't ran in a month. I did walk a couple miles this morning with my weighted vest on though. Does that count for anything? :o
sure...but not for running :D :p

I think I'm gonna do a 2 miler tonight when the wife gets home. it was almost 70 here today and it isn't raining at the moment...will be nice to get outside

[dbx]

Guilty :o



I've done well today....but the day ain't over :). I've pretty much only eaten turkey, EFAs, and just had steak & shrimp with a little rice. My wife gave me a boatload of chocolate for x-mas.....on purpose. Oh, the evil that exists in this world!

[rpaul11]

I've done well today....but the day ain't over :). I've pretty much only eaten turkey, EFAs, and just had steak & shrimp with a little rice. My wife gave me a boatload of chocolate for x-mas.....on purpose. Oh, the evil that exists in this world!

I hit a chinese buffet for lunch. Didn't have any rice except for the 4 pieces of the different (sushi) rolls, mostly meat and veggies and a small salad. Eggs for breakfast, chicken broccoli and salad for dinner.

My big problem is I'm waking up a lot at night lately...and eating :(

[maryinmesquite]

Good to see Bando and RP hitting it again. I'd taken about a week off from strictly running for my cardio, as my left foot/heel had been feeling beaten for quite a while. Needed a break.

But after the eating sins I've committed this past week...geeez, I always forget just how much water each gram of carbs soak up.....I decided to pay for my sins, so I just knocked off 5.1 miles in a 50 minute span. Kinda felt good. The eating madness must stop :eek:

amen , i have decided to really cut back , i bought some really great grapefruit at the store , having one for supper

[dbx]

amen , i have decided to really cut back , i bought some really great grapefruit at the store , having one for supper

I just hope you now that eating grapefruit doesn't really help you lose weight, as so many magazines would have you believe? Just sayin'....... :)

Higher protein and fat (EFAs) would serve you better than eating a fruit full of simple carbs in the evening.

[maryinmesquite]

I just hope you now that eating grapefruit doesn't really help you lose weight, as so many magazines would have you believe? Just sayin'....... :)

Higher protein and fat (EFAs) would serve you better than eating a fruit full of simple carbs in the evening.

i know that but it is what i want , not really hungry , and i will probably eat some tuna later

[rpaul11]

I think I'm gonna do a 2 miler tonight when the wife gets home. it was almost 70 here today and it isn't raining at the moment...will be nice to get outside


the 1/3 mile climb almost killed me...I was suckin wind...but I didn't stop :)

[dbx]

the 1/3 mile climb almost killed me...I was suckin wind...but I didn't stop :)

Attaboy, Rupe! :D

[rpaul11]

Was just reading about an interesting run. It's called the frigid 5 mile. Jan 11th. Wonder if I can be in shape to run it by then. :confused:

[Skidmarx]

i know that but it is what i want , not really hungry , and i will probably eat some tuna later

Grapefruit rocks.

[Bando]

My big problem is I'm waking up a lot at night lately...and eating :(

Me to, especially heavy lifting days. 2 Runs in this week :)

[LyingSac]

I'm training to do a mini triathlon.I'm i crazy for thinking you run faster on the balls of your feet as compared to when you heel-toe it?On the tread mill it seems i go a little faster with the heel toe action.....PS i need to save my knees so if you would tell me the best running shoe to get to....tanks...Roy

[rpaul11]

Me to, especially heavy lifting days. 2 Runs in this week :)

today is a rest day for me. Tomorrow I'm gonna try 4 miles outside. If I can do it and I don't have anything scheduled the day of the 5 mile run I'm gonna sign up for it.

[rpaul11]

I'm training to do a mini triathlon.I'm i crazy for thinking you run faster on the balls of your feet as compared to when you heel-toe it?On the tread mill it seems i go a little faster with the heel toe action.....PS i need to save my knees so if you would tell me the best running shoe to get to....tanks...Roy

your best bet is to find a store that specializes in fitting you to the correct shoe for your running style by analyzing your stride.

I found a fleetfeet store in my area that got me into a great pair of shoes that helped me tremendously with the hip soreness I was getting.

Everybody is different and the shoe that works for me may not work for you.

[LyingSac]

your best bet is to find a store that specializes in fitting you to the correct shoe for your running style by analyzing your stride.

I found a fleetfeet store in my area that got me into a great pair of shoes that helped me tremendously with the hip soreness I was getting.

Everybody is different and the shoe that works for me may not work for you.

will do.how about a little advice on that heel-toe or balls of your foot thing?

[rpaul11]

will do.how about a little advice on that heel-toe or balls of your foot thing?

I don't know that I have enough experience to give you that advice. I kinda land mid foot almost. Landing all out on your heel can be counterproductive as you are slowing yourself with your heel, then having to gain momentum again...if that makes sense.

[LyingSac]

I don't know that I have enough experience to give you that advice. I kinda land mid foot almost. Landing all out on your heel can be counterproductive as you are slowing yourself with your heel, then having to gain momentum again...if that makes sense.

actually it does...

[canadianlifter]

Hey guys--I got into running a bit last summer but didnt enjoy it as much as my wife does. I did run a few 5 km races and did pretty good i thought with minimal training. Ran a best of 22:46!!

[Bando]

Hey guys--I got into running a bit last summer but didnt enjoy it as much as my wife does. I did run a few 5 km races and did pretty good i thought with minimal training. Ran a best of 22:46!!

Very nice. My best is 26:00 but I had to take a lot more steps than you

[canadianlifter]

Very nice. My best is 26:00 but I had to take a lot more steps than you

Thanks--i ran a couple more that summer about 23:17 and 23:25

[rpaul11]

Hey guys--I got into running a bit last summer but didnt enjoy it as much as my wife does. I did run a few 5 km races and did pretty good i thought with minimal training. Ran a best of 22:46!!

thats a pretty good time for somebody who doesn't run much :)

[dbx]

thats a pretty good time for somebody who doesn't run much :)

He posted that just to piss you off :p :D

[rpaul11]

He posted that just to piss you off :p :D

pfffttttttt I did under 22 on my run :rolleyes: :D

[dbx]

pfffttttttt I did under 22 on my run :rolleyes: :D

Yeah, but you had to practice. Loser!

[rpaul11]

Yeah, but you had to practice. Loser!

and what was YOUR time :p oh wait...you had to stop and walk didn't ya ;)