Over 35 Runners Thread *Serious*

[dbx]

Another good run today. I did the 2 miles in 15:17. For both days I've been able to run a 7:39 mile pace, which for me is great. Hopefully, I can get under 7:00 minutes by mid-summer.

Man, that's a great time. Gives me motivation to push harder! WTG!


It sounds to me like you're ear canal challenged, my Rambling Wreck peep. :D

Jon, Jon, Jon.........back to the tie wearing avatar, eh? :p

Good to see ya. Nah, the ear "wrap" thing on one side didn't want to sit quite right. So, I went out and bought ANOTHER set at Best Buy. I even got the bastards to match Amazon (times are tight for everyone, including stores :)). Got em' home...meh...they're OK. Me? As some here know, I'm impulsive. I broke down and got the new version of the Sennheiser MPX70...which is the MPX80. I just got back from taking the 2nd pair back to BB :). These are still ugly florescent color, but orange is an improvement over the lime green of the 70's model : http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/sennheiser-pmx-80-headphones/4505-7877_7-33318821.html

I have spent hours since first getting an MP3 player only wks ago, looking for the best rated headphones specifically for runners. All of them have flaws of some sort, whether that be functional design or durability issues. I have read some dumbass blogs about them, like one today from a guy in SF Bay area; he loves Sennheiser PX100's, and actually says, "they make your ears get hot after running a bit, but I just take them off for a while to cool my ears." WTF? :rolleyes:. So yeah, I've read a ton. Some folks are lucky, but hoards of others all report similar common flaws with each respective brand/model. So in the end, it's a crap shoot of sorts. The Nike Sports I had were really, really perfectly designed for a runner....if the ear buds didn't short, lofl. But you can actually wash/rinse the ear buds on the Sennheiser. It's a better start. These will probably down to $30 in a matter of a month or two, but I'm not waiting.

Jon, the oldest son is doing well. Hell, it's hard to believe he's only a few months away from finishing his 2nd year at Tech. But he also knows it'll take him 5yrs total. He's made Dean's List 2 of 3 semesters...and we'll see how he does in this 4th semester.

[flywheel99]

Nah, the ear "wrap" thing on one side didn't want to sit quite right. So, I went out and bought ANOTHER set at Best Buy. I even got the bastards to match Amazon (times are tight for everyone, including stores :)). Got em' home...meh...they're OK. Me? As some here know, I'm impulsive. I broke down and got the new version of the Sennheiser MPX70...which is the MPX80. I just got back from taking the 2nd pair back to BB :). These are still ugly florescent color, but orange is an improvement over the lime green of the 70's model : http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/sennheiser-pmx-80-headphones/4505-7877_7-33318821.html


I can see you in lime green!

The Sennheiser's look good. Does it bother you to have the wrap behind thing in back?

I'm never happy with my ear phones. They're never a good fit. I currently use the pair that came with my Ipod Shuffle. They don't fall out, I guess I'll give 'em that. But they certainly don't sit in the ear perfectly.


I have read some dumbass blogs about them, like one today from a guy in SF Bay area; he loves Sennheiser PX100's, and actually says, "they make your ears get hot after running a bit, but I just take them off for a while to cool my ears." WTF? :rolleyes:.

You're joking with this one, right? Someone did not post this.


Jon, the oldest son is doing well. Hell, it's hard to believe he's only a few months away from finishing his 2nd year at Tech. But he also knows it'll take him 5yrs total. He's made Dean's List 2 of 3 semesters...and we'll see how he does in this 4th semester.

Kudos to your kid. Does he enjoy life in the big city?

My brother had 2 or 3 "incidents" when he was at G Tech. Locals came up to him and said, "give me your money." It was sort of a "mini-hold up". Now, violence was without question implied, but my bro got through both instances without much trouble - just shy a little cash. He viewed it as the "price" of going to school in Atlanta.

I lived in Washington DC for a year and a half and never had this type of incident occur. Maybe its just because I look like a prick when I snarl at strangers???? ;)

[dbx]

The Sennheiser's look good. Does it bother you to have the wrap behind thing in back?

No, not at all. Seriously, you don't even know it's there. Again, the Philips/Nike pair I bought were unreal, as far as not even feeling having anything on your head or even in your ears. I liked the fact that their single cord was directly in the middle. But the Senn pair are on the side, and are supposed upgraded in "toughness" from the 70 model.


I'm never happy with my ear phones. They're never a good fit. I currently use the pair that came with my Ipod Shuffle. They don't fall out, I guess I'll give 'em that. But they certainly don't sit in the ear perfectly.

I'll let you know how I like these when I get them. And I do know what you mean from reading all the reviews. It seems that there are truly only a few made specifically with runners in mind (including sweat factor, cord position, etc..).


You're joking with this one, right? Someone did not post this.

Swear to God :).


Kudos to your kid. Does he enjoy life in the big city?

My brother had 2 or 3 "incidents" when he was at G Tech. Locals came up to him and said, "give me your money." It was sort of a "mini-hold up". Now, violence was without question implied, but my bro got through both instances without much trouble - just shy a little cash. He viewed it as the "price" of going to school in Atlanta.

I lived in Washington DC for a year and a half and never had this type of incident occur. Maybe its just because I look like a prick when I snarl at strangers???? ;)

Yeah, he kinda/sorta likes the city aspect, but he's well aware of the pitfalls/dangers that are there. Someone was robbed at gunpoint in his apt. complex (he's staying in an apt this year) shortly after he moved in there, and it's common for people's cars to be broken into. He drives a decent 91' Mazda RX7 that he loves, but it's always so filthy that I don't think he'll be bothered :D. He does tell me that just shopping at Kroger and Wally World are different experiences up there. We went to dinner together Sun night, and we ended up talking about reverse discrimination, as he described his experiences in local establishments :(.

Oh, and he just informed me that he and his roommates have been brewing their own beer for several months now :eek:. So, we also discussed the world of pilsners vs lagers and ales that night too :D. He's got 3 exams today, one tomorrow, and one Friday. When he comes home Friday, he and I will be driving down to FL together either that night or Sat morning to spend a couple of days with my folks.

[flywheel99]

Oh, and he just informed me that he and his roommates have been brewing their own beer for several months now :eek:. So, we also discussed the world of pilsners vs lagers and ales that night too :D.

Kevin, your son rocks.

He's smart beyond his years...



He's got 3 exams today, one tomorrow, and one Friday. When he comes home Friday, he and I will be driving down to FL together either that night or Sat morning to spend a couple of days with my folks.

Have a blast down in FL. I assume you'll be getting in some nice runs on the beach?

[dbx]

Kevin, your son rocks.

He's smart beyond his years...

Yeah, he's very responsible, so I don't worry about the boozing. He's not really a drinker, thankfully.


Have a blast down in FL. I assume you'll be getting in some nice runs on the beach?

Oh, you know it :). Actually, I always run on the sidewalks along where my folks are. I've actually heard that running in sand is not good for you, despite how we all hear it's a great strengthening kinda thing. Actually, I think Ryan told me that, too :). But I sure plan on spending a some on the beach.

[snoack]

Got 2 sessions in so far this week. Felt good Sunday, was hitting a pretty good pace on my 3rd and 4th running laps. Last night, exact opposite. Legs felt like concrete pillars, but still pushed it all the way through. Last lap was actually at a half-way decent pace, paced at about 10 minutes average for running laps.

Hoping to be able to push a little harder tomorrow.

[rpaul11]

Today was my first run of the week. Yeah, yeah...I know..it's already wednesday and I only ran once. But man it's a beautiful day out there. Had to run the second mile into the wind, but still...felt good to be out there. Despite very bad DOMS from Mondays leg workout I finished off 2 miles in just around 16 minutes.

[snoack]

I found a 5k race for the first weekend in June. I'm thinking I might make a goal of running in it.

That's ~3 miles, right?

[rpaul11]

I found a 5k race for the first weekend in June. I'm thinking I might make a goal of running in it.

That's ~3 miles, right?

yep...3 miles. Go for it.

[snoack]

yep...3 miles. Go for it.

I'm thinking the only way to get to where I want to be is to push myself and make a hard goal.

[dbx]

I found a 5k race for the first weekend in June. I'm thinking I might make a goal of running in it.

That's ~3 miles, right?

No, it's 3.1!

And in a race, that damn .1 counts :D

[snoack]

No, it's 3.1!

And in a race, that damn .1 counts :D

I used the little approximate symbol...;)

[dbx]

I used the little approximate symbol...;)

Is that what that is?

[snoack]

Is that what that is?


I thought it was, always used it that way. Now, the possibility exists that I could be wrong...the possibility, not the likelihood :D

anyway, I'm really excited by this. If I'm able to do this it will be the first race that I've run in in 25 years.

Got a couple 10Ks in the fall up my way, if I can be ready for this 5K in June it will definitely boost my confidence to run one of those.

[dbx]

anyway, I'm really excited by this. If I'm able to do this it will be the first race that I've run in in 25 years.

Got a couple 10Ks in the fall up my way, if I can be ready for this 5K in June it will definitely boost my confidence to run one of those.

Hey, I ran my first 5K (of only 2) in 06', at age 48, after only running for about 90 days.......and never ran when I was younger. So, it's all good. Everything is doable. I "accidentally" ran more than a 10K when setting my own PR 2wks ago (7.8 mi). I never even thought about it in terms of doubling a 5K distance.

I honestly don't run for speed now although, I have been just trying to mix it up. No real goals, just kinda addicted to doing it.

[bhaputi]

No, it's 3.1!

And in a race, that damn .1 counts :D

Well, actually....
5 kilometers = 3.10685596 miles
But who's counting?

:-P

I say go for the 5K. They are fun, but if your truly "race" it, be prepared for pain :)

[rpaul11]

did some treadmill intervals last night

6mph for .5 miles
9.5mph for .25 miles
6mph for .5 miles
9.5mph for .25 miles

4.0 mph for 10 more minutes then cooldown

[dbx]

did some treadmill intervals last night

6mph for .5 miles
9.5mph for .25 miles
6mph for .5 miles
9.5mph for .25 miles

4.0 mph for 10 more minutes then cooldown

You can run faster than me, but you should have tried to run more 9.5's at perhaps shorter distances. But either way, good job! Those kind of runs helped me a lot when I was trying to increase my speed. I would do 6 to 8 runs on speed 10, and for .20 for first couple, and then I dwindle to barely maintain up to .15.

And whaddaya mean "4.0 mph for 10 more minutes then cooldown"? 4.0 is cool-down :p :D

[snoack]

Got in another good session at the track last night.

Walk 1/run 1 for 2 miles, ran 1 1/2 on my last running lap and top it off with 2 circuits of steps (granted, it was only the home field side of a high school football stadium, but still not bad), 8 sets x10 steps total.

Pace was good, breathing felt good, legs felt good. I was planning originally on increasing every other week, but what I'm thinking about now is possibly changing up and adding the extra half lap all the way through as it would give me a more gradual increase. So, instead of 1&1 next week, it would be 1&1 1/2. It's still very much in the trial stage at this point, the important thing right now is finding something that works and being consistent with it.

[dbx]

Got in another good session at the track last night.

Walk 1/run 1 for 2 miles, ran 1 1/2 on my last running lap and top it off with 2 circuits of steps (granted, it was only the home field side of a high school football stadium, but still not bad), 8 sets x10 steps total.

Pace was good, breathing felt good, legs felt good. I was planning originally on increasing every other week, but what I'm thinking about now is possibly changing up and adding the extra half lap all the way through as it would give me a more gradual increase. So, instead of 1&1 next week, it would be 1&1 1/2. It's still very much in the trial stage at this point, the important thing right now is finding something that works and being consistent with it.

Looks good. You might even try switching to running the first lap and then walking. And then...cut your walking down to 1/2 lap, even if your next running lap has to be slower...it'll help you gain endurance.

[snoack]

Looks good. You might even try switching to running the first lap and then walking. And then...cut your walking down to 1/2 lap, even if your next running lap has to be slower...it'll help you gain endurance.


The plan was originally to do that when I hit 2 laps, but I may switch it up and try it next week, starting Sunday.

[dbx]

I intentionally skipped running Thurs to try to break the overtrained feeling I've been experiencing this past week. I'm going to FL tomorrow morning and will run on Sunday, and maybe even tomorrow night. We'll see. A good weekend to all.

[spring85sigma]

First full week back working out! I had two personal best times earlier in the week (22:57-3 miles and 15:17-2 miles). After the Wednesday leg workout, things changed :( :)! Today, I finished the week with a 23:57-3 mile. I'm not unhappy! Have a great weekend everyone!

[snoack]

I intentionally skipped running Thurs to try to break the overtrained feeling I've been experiencing this past week. I'm going to FL tomorrow morning and will run on Sunday, and maybe even tomorrow night. We'll see. A good weekend to all.


Take care man, have a good trip. Thanks for the tips and support.:)

[rpaul11]

And whaddaya mean "4.0 mph for 10 more minutes then cooldown"? 4.0 is cool-down :p :D

you are correct...it is...but I like to wind it down to 2.5 by the time I step off the TM.

[dbx]

Take care man, have a good trip. Thanks for the tips and support.:)

You're welcome, and thanks. I make this trip at least 3-4 times per year. It's only a 5hr drive, but I hate anything over 2hrs, lol.


you are correct...it is...but I like to wind it down to 2.5 by the time I step off the TM.

Yeah, I was j/k. I will speed walk at 4.0, but after running I usually shut it down to 3.5...and then to 3.0 pretty quick...and then 2.7... to 2.5...same as you, before I get off it.

[thepainter5]

After being MIA for the most of the past two weeks, today I got in my first run in 9 days. Being under the weather sure hinders progress.
My run today was labored to say the least but I did manage 3.3 miles.
Most of what I thought about during my run was how May 3rd was going to be a hard fought 13 miles.

[thedisneydad]

yesterday I ran a 13.1

Wanted to see if I can do it. Now not only do I know I can, but also that I'm no more fatigued after than when I run 8-10 miles. Great confidence booster. I'm running the Big D In Dallas April 5. I'm so ready. Now I just need to stave off any injuries and make sure that murphy guy stays away.

I've been using Cytomax for my longer runs. It's been helping tremendously. I can't say enough good about it.

[snoack]

Took a tip dbx gave me and opened with the run today. Today's set was run 1 1/2, walk 1. I like closing with a walk lap because I can hit the steps on each set of bleachers (did 2x2 for each one, total of 160 steps).

Found a good groove for varying my pace. Out of each lap and a half of running, I was moving at an easy pace for the first full lap and then really stretching out my stride for the last half lap. Felt like I could have done 2 at a time, but I'm building it slow, don't want to push myself to fast.

Hard to find words for the feeling I had at the end as I was walking back to my truck, but I'm sure all of you know exactly what I'm talking about...pure bliss! :D

[rpaul11]

well, I finally motivated myself to go out and run again. Hit the Treadmill for 30 minutes at 6.5 mph then a 5 min cooldown. Been in a kinda running funk lately. Just not motivated to get out there...hopefully the warmer weather on the way will help.

[thedisneydad]

well, I finally motivated myself to go out and run again. Hit the Treadmill for 30 minutes at 6.5 mph then a 5 min cooldown. Been in a kinda running funk lately. Just not motivated to get out there...hopefully the warmer weather on the way will help.

yeah, the warmer weather is always a great boost for me. Get outtat that funk man...just lace them up and throw miles on those shoes! :D

[rpaul11]

yeah, the warmer weather is always a great boost for me. Get outtat that funk man...just lace them up and throw miles on those shoes! :D

hahaha...for me 3 IS miles :D my longest run ever was 6.5 :D

[thedisneydad]

hahaha...for me 3 IS miles :D my longest run ever was 6.5 :D

psh...that only matters if you want it to. 3 is a marathon to the typical Joe.

[dbx]

Only managed one 3.5 miles run while out of state since Sat, but it was the best I could manage. My youngest son is also home for Spring Break, and we ran a bit this morning. His foot hurt right from the start, as he'd injured it in MMA practice the night before. He lasted 1.3 miles, and I just ran another loop for 2.6 total. Even with rest from running (Sun was last day I ran), I still felt kinda burned out. Probably state of mind.

[snoack]

Wasn't able to run at the track of either of the local high schools because of lacrosse games. I went to my TKD class, and ran around the school grounds. A full lap around is ~1/2 mile, so I ran 4 with a quarter lap walk in between each one. It was cool because, unlike being on a distinct flat surface, this was more of a cross country run. Up and down hill, different surfaces. I liked it so much I'm going to keep it as part of my class night routine.

[rpaul11]

Wasn't able to run at the track of either of the local high schools because of lacrosse games. I went to my TKD class, and ran around the school grounds. A full lap around is ~1/2 mile, so I ran 4 with a quarter lap walk in between each one. It was cool because, unlike being on a distinct flat surface, this was more of a cross country run. Up and down hill, different surfaces. I liked it so much I'm going to keep it as part of my class night routine.

I do a run like that when my daughter is in cheerleading camp. I run on some roads, around some fields, up and down some stairways etc it's a lot of fun and thinking where could I go now takes my mind off of damn...how much longer :D

Did 2 miles last night with my dog. 17 minutes including cleaning up after the dog :D

[thepainter5]

I am down with the flu. I have zero energy and sleep 80% of the time. This not being able to train is really starting to annoy me.

[rpaul11]

I am down with the flu. I have zero energy and sleep 80% of the time. This not being able to train is really starting to annoy me.

oh man...hate that Rod. get better

[thepainter5]

oh man...hate that Rod. get better

Thanks Paul.

[dbx]

Did 2 miles last night with my dog. 17 minutes including cleaning up after the dog :D

Wow, 17 mins including scooping. Impressive :).


I am down with the flu. I have zero energy and sleep 80% of the time. This not being able to train is really starting to annoy me.

Damn, you had this all last week too, right? I thought you did a run of 3 miles or something... and fought through it after just getting over the flu? Either way, I hope you get well soon, Rod. This will throw a kink into your 1/2 M training, I'm sure.


Only managed one 3.5 miles run while out of state since Sat, but it was the best I could manage. ....He lasted 1.3 miles, and I just ran another loop for 2.6 total. Even with rest from running (Sun was last day I ran), I still felt kinda burned out. Probably state of mind.

I was feeling antsy and it's been a beautiful day here, so I headed out for another stab at a better run. I did 3.2 miles and felt much better, despite a slightly higher than avg HR of 160. So, a total of 5.8 for the day.

I guess I'm also trying to burn off a few cals that accumulated from my 4 day trip. And damn it, I ate a lot of ice cream last night and today :o :).

To Flywheel99; Jon, I got the Sennheiser PX80 headphones and used them today. Awesome. Simply awesome. Deep, rich bass, and very comfy to wear running. I still like the Nike's wire position better (the Senn is a L side lead), but the little clip they include makes it easy to neatly attach it. Great sound for a little headphone, and a great headphone for runners. Pricey at $55, but worth it to me.

[thedisneydad]

I am down with the flu. I have zero energy and sleep 80% of the time. This not being able to train is really starting to annoy me.

man, I hate that. Try to train and get sick...then on top of being sick all you an think about is not being able to train. what a bummer.
get better soon man. Chicken soup or whatever works for you.

[dbx]

Thursday 3/20/09

I'm going after those extra cals I took in with a vengeance. After 5.8 total miles for 2 runs yesterday, I hit it today and managed 4 miles.

Run Time - 40mins (slightly slower pace)
Avg HR - 150
Peak HR - 175
Cals - 683

I'm trying something different; for all 3 yrs I've been running, I've always run fasted. Always. This past 2wks when I complained about feeling burned out, I just felt like I had no fuel to burn. So, today I ate my regular pre-lifting meal and waited an hour to run. Honestly, my legs felt heavy and my breathing felt strained, but the important thing is that I never felt nauseous from having food in me, so I might continue doing this. To hell with the very slight edge running fasted has for burning cals. At least, for now :).

[snoack]

I think I'm going to try to increase running laps tonight. I was doing a ~half mile at a time in my Tuesday run and want to see if I can translate that to laps tonight. More of a mental thing then anything else at this point.

[bhaputi]

DBX - I used to always run without eating too. Then when I started focusing on getting faster - darn physical test required 300M in <52s and 1.5 miles in <12min or so - I had to get something in me before running. I usually just do something like gatorade if it is a shorter run (<6 miles). If it is longer, I usually got for something solid.

Glad to hear it settled well. Keep trucking :)

[dbx]

I think I'm going to try to increase running laps tonight. I was doing a ~half mile at a time in my Tuesday run and want to see if I can translate that to laps tonight. More of a mental thing then anything else at this point.

Waiting to hear how it went.


DBX - I used to always run without eating too. Then when I started focusing on getting faster - darn physical test required 300M in <52s and 1.5 miles in <12min or so - I had to get something in me before running. I usually just do something like gatorade if it is a shorter run (<6 miles). If it is longer, I usually got for something solid.

Glad to hear it settled well. Keep trucking :)

Thanks. We'll see how it goes!

[rpaul11]

as it cooled off again today and I had people to the house after dinner I didnt get to run until after 8 pm. I had to run to the mall to eschange something, so I figgured I would just hit the gym instead of running outside.

Did 2 miles at 6.5 mph then walked for the remainder of 40 minutes.

[bhaputi]

Figure me if I blather on for a bit - thinking some things through :)

After this weekend (5 on Sat, 9 on Sun), I enter the last cutback week until my target 1/2 marathon. I was looking back over my training, and these are the weekly mileage totals since 01/26. In general, I run 5 days a week, with Mon and Fri off. Tues is speed, Wed/Thurs/Sat are easy runs, Sun is distance:

Week 1,2,3,4: 19 (end of my 6-week "base" weeks - no speedwork) Longest run was 5
Week 5: 21 planned, 23 done, Long run was 6
Week 6: 22 planned, 23.33 done, Long run was 7
Week 7: 20 planned, 22.77 done, Long run was 6
Week 8: 21 planned, 21.41 done, Long run was 8
Week 9: 20 planned, 20.13 done, Long run was 7
Week 10: 29 planned, 15.74 so far (14 planned for weekend), Long run planned for 9
Week 11: 23 planned, Long run planned for 7
Week 12: 30 planned, Long run planned for 10
Week 13: 30 planned, Long run planned for 12
Week 14: 40 planned, Long run planned for 14
Week 15: 29 planned, Long run planned for 8
Week 16: 34.1 planned, Long run planned for 13.1 - the Race :)

Speedwork: I introduced speedwork at week 5, starting with 4 miles of fartleks at weeks 5 and 6. Weeks 7-9 saw speedwork of long and short hills at 5K pace. Week 10 (this week) and Week 11 are 3x1 mile repeats at 5K pace. Weeks 12 and 13 are 6x1/2 mile at 5K pace. Week 14 is 4x1 mile repeats at 5K pace. Week 15 is taper, so no speedwork. Week 16 is race week, so no speedwork. I may cut some back for week 14 - 40 miles may be a bit much, but I will see how it feels.

Sheesh, no wonder I am tired and my feet hurt.
Good side effect, though, is my body fat is lower than it ever has been, and I sleep like a baby at night :) Also, my "easy" pace has crept down from 9:30-10:00 miles down to about 8:15-8:45. I tell you, once you focus on it, you can really see some improvement much quicker than I ever thought possible....

(sorry for blabbing - just wanted to see how this looked in print)

[rpaul11]

Figure me if I blather on for a bit - thinking some things through :)

After this weekend (5 on Sat, 9 on Sun), I enter the last cutback week until my target 1/2 marathon. I was looking back over my training, and these are the weekly mileage totals since 01/26:

Week 1,2,3,4: 19 (end of my 6-week "base" weeks - no speedwork) Longest run was 5
Week 5: 21 planned, 23 done, Long run was 6
Week 6: 22 planned, 23.33 done, Long run was 7
Week 7: 20 planned, 22.77 done, Long run was 6
Week 8: 21 planned, 21.41 done, Long run was 8
Week 9: 20 planned, 20.13 done, Long run was 7
Week 10: 29 planned, 15.74 so far (14 planned for weekend), Long run planned for 9
Week 11: 23 planned, Long run planned for 7
Week 12: 30 planned, Long run planned for 10
Week 13: 30 planned, Long run planned for 12
Week 14: 40 planned, Long run planned for 14
Week 15: 29 planned, Long run planned for 8
Week 16: 34.1 planned, Long run planned for 13.1 - the Race :)

Speedwork: I introduced speedwork at week 5, starting with 4 miles of fartleks at weeks 5 and 6. Weeks 7-9 saw speedwork of long and short hills at 5K pace. Week 10 (this week) and Week 11 are 3x1 mile repeats at 5K pace. Weeks 12 and 13 are 6x1/2 mile at 5K pace. Week 14 is 4x1 mile repeats at 5K pace. Week 15 is taper, so no speedwork. Week 16 is race week, so no speedwork.

Sheesh, no wonder I am tired and my feet hurt.
Good side effect, though, is my body fat is lower than it ever has been, and I sleep like a baby at night :) Also, my "easy" pace has crept down from 9:30-10:00 miles down to about 8:15-8:45. I tell you, once you focus on it, you can really see some improvement much quicker than I ever thought possible....

(sorry for blabbing - just wanted to see how this looked in print)

thats some good mileage there. Plus cutting your time and getting leaner. Good work and good luck on your 1/2

[bhaputi]

as it cooled off again today and I had people to the house after dinner I didnt get to run until after 8 pm. I had to run to the mall to eschange something, so I figgured I would just hit the gym instead of running outside.

Did 2 miles at 6.5 mph then walked for the remainder of 40 minutes.

I made sure to get outside. My path takes me along the river, and I absolutely love it. Tonight was a little rough, though, as all I wore was shorts and a short-sleeved tech t-shirt and a cold front blew in. The wind was pretty bad off the water, but I lived :)

[rpaul11]

I made sure to get outside. My path takes me along the river, and I absolutely love it. Tonight was a little rough, though, as all I wore was shorts and a short-sleeved tech t-shirt and a cold front blew in. The wind was pretty bad off the water, but I lived :)

I am just too sick of cool weather at the moment :D I prefer to run outside, but my motivation to run is dwindling lately. I think my year long calorie deficit might be catching up with me mentally. 2 more months till I can eat again :)

[bhaputi]

thats some good mileage there. Plus cutting your time and getting leaner. Good work and good luck on your 1/2

Thanks. I have never raced anything other than a 5K, so I am a little nervous. However, I am putting the time in, so I will just have to trust my training. Realistic goal is 1:44 (8 minute miles). Dream goal is 1:40 (7:45 minute miles). The race starts flat, then climbs uphill for about 4.5 miles, then downhill to the finish, so I am training on hills. If you want to thoroughly trash your legs, do some intense hills. One hill that my running partner and I do includes a 300+ foot elevation difference over .3 miles. VERY intense :)

[bhaputi]

I am just too sick of cool weather at the moment :D I prefer to run outside, but my motivation to run is dwindling lately. I think my year long calorie deficit might be catching up with me mentally. 2 more months till I can eat again :)

Yeah, calorie deficit + running is tough. I eat a ton right now. Thankfully, I burn it all up. Lots of carbs, especially.....

[dbx]

Did 2 miles at 6.5 mph then walked for the remainder of 40 minutes.

The best you can manage is the best you can manage. At least you got it done. WTG!


(sorry for blabbing - just wanted to see how this looked in print)

It looks pretty damn intimidating to me :D. It looks like you've got a solid plan to meet a goal, and that's a damn good start! Progress looks good too. We need some serious runners to post in here for inspiration. It helps! Like I was telling Jon, (Flywheel) last week, it's a joke that I've been the one kinda holding it down in here for the past little while :D. I just go out and do it, but I really seem to get more and more interested in the "art" behind it, so to speak. Even if my HRM and MP3 are just gadgets, they're little things that are a big help in keeping me interested and motivated.


I made sure to get outside. My path takes me along the river, and I absolutely love it. Tonight was a little rough, though, as all I wore was shorts and a short-sleeved tech t-shirt and a cold front blew in. The wind was pretty bad off the water, but I lived :)

If I didn't sweat so freaking bad, I'd drive to the lake where I've run my 2 5Ks. It's familiar to me from teen days, and it's peaceful. I suppose a big damn towel and the fact that my seats are leather might make it doable.

Hey, while I'm at it....a newbie kinda question; I'm particular about lots of things. I've been mostly using Fitness Gear (Dick's brand) running shorts (5" inseam)for 3yrs now, but they don't sell them anymore. I recently bought 2 pairs of Reebok running shorts (5" inseam), and they're light and cool, but have a longer outer seam that I don't care for, but mainly hate the fact that they bunch/ride up when running. Just moments ago I almost ordered some Mizuno 3.5" running shorts. From what I've been reading/looking at, 3"-4" might be ideal for my taste.

Any of you seasoned guys who care have a particular brand you like, and why?

[dbx]

Thanks. I have never raced anything other than a 5K, so I am a little nervous. However, I am putting the time in, so I will just have to trust my training. Realistic goal is 1:44 (8 minute miles). Dream goal is 1:40 (7:45 minute miles). The race starts flat, then climbs uphill for about 4.5 miles, then downhill to the finish, so I am training on hills. If you want to thoroughly trash your legs, do some intense hills. One hill that my running partner and I do includes a 300+ foot elevation difference over .3 miles. VERY intense :)

Damn, man. From a 5K to a half? Yikes. But hell, I guess that inspires me :D. Your goal(s) seem very realistic (15 sec mile pace difference), as non-runners probably couldn't appreciate what 15 secs means for that kind of distance. Hell, I couldn't even gauge a 10K within that tight range...but I also suck at having a clue about my pace. If my legs and breathing feel great...I can run a pace that turns out to be almost the same as when I feel like I'm crawling and gasping for air. I'm really bad at gauging.

I would love to know the elevation of the hill I call The Bitch that's in my neighborhood. I know it ain't 300', but it's approx .25 long and is fairly steep.


Yeah, calorie deficit + running is tough.

X 1000. and this is something that's still hit and miss for me.

[bhaputi]

It looks pretty damn intimidating to me :D. It looks like you've got a solid plan to meet a goal, and that's a damn good start! Progress looks good too. We need some serious runners to post in here for inspiration. It helps! Like I was telling Jon, (Flywheel) last week, it's a joke that I've been the one kinda holding it down in here for the past little while :D. I just go out and do it, but I really seem to get more and more interested in the "art" behind it, so to speak. Even if my HRM and MP3 are just gadgets, they're little things that are a big help in keeping me interested and motivated.

I am serious about running, but still learning :) I will try to post in here more, though, at least if work allows. Been darn busy there.....



If I didn't sweat so freaking bad, I'd drive to the lake where I've run my 2 5Ks. It's familiar to me from teen days, and it's peaceful. I suppose a big damn towel and the fact that my seats are leather might make it doable.

I sweat quite a lot too. What I do is bring a dry t-shirt, a pair of either basketball shorts or pants to throw on top of the shorts, and a dry pair of shoes/socks. Swap the clothes out, and drive home - works great for me. I do the same thing after races. Helps keep the post-race smell down :)



Hey, while I'm at it....a newbie kinda question; I'm particular about lots of things. I've been mostly using Fitness Gear (Dick's brand) running shorts (5" inseam)for 3yrs now, but they don't sell them anymore. I recently bought 2 pairs of Reebok running shorts (5" inseam), and they're light and cool, but have a longer outer seam that I don't care for, but mainly hate the fact that they bunch/ride up when running. Just moments ago I almost ordered some Mizuno 3.5" running shorts. From what I've been reading/looking at, 3"-4" might be ideal for my taste.

Any of you seasoned guys who care have a particular brand you like, and why?

Honestly, I usually buy the cheapie Wal-mart brand running shorts which are decent, but the pair I _love_ is a pair of insport shorts I picked up on sale at my local running store back in PA. I think they are these ones:
http://www.insport.com/products.cfm?product_id=1324&sub_id=1&main_id=1&is_discount=0

I also have run in these, and liked them:
https://www.nationalrunningcenter.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FS112

Of course, the shorter the better, but I am still a little too much of a wuss to go full "ranger panties" like these:
http://www.xtremecrabwear.com/i/PerformanceWear/Black_Short.jpg

[bhaputi]

Damn, man. From a 5K to a half? Yikes. But hell, I guess that inspires me :D. Your goal(s) seem very realistic (15 sec mile pace difference), as non-runners probably couldn't appreciate what 15 secs means for that kind of distance. Hell, I couldn't even gauge a 10K within that tight range...but I also suck at having a clue about my pace. If my legs and breathing feel great...I can run a pace that turns out to be almost the same as when I feel like I'm crawling and gasping for air. I'm really bad at gauging.

I would love to know the elevation of the hill I call The Bitch that's in my neighborhood. I know it ain't 300', but it's approx .25 long and is fairly steep.



X 1000. and this is something that's still hit and miss for me.

Well, I have run 13.5 during training in the past, and I know I can do the distance, but _racing_ it is a whole different ball game. Pace control is my nemesis too - I am worried about blowing up. If I start too fast like I often due in training, then the early hills will kill me. My running partner is awesome about pacing, but he is not ready for the half, so I am going it alone. Hopefully my Garmin will keep me in line race day.

As for the hill - try mapmyrun.com (check the elevation box when mapping it) and draw it out. Should give you a guesstimate.

[dbx]

Honestly, I usually buy the cheapie Wal-mart brand running shorts which are decent, but the pair I _love_ is a pair of insport shorts I picked up on sale at my local running store back in PA. I think they are these ones:
http://www.insport.com/products.cfm?product_id=1324&sub_id=1&main_id=1&is_discount=0

I also have run in these, and liked them:
https://www.nationalrunningcenter.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FS112

Of course, the shorter the better, but I am still a little too much of a wuss to go full "ranger panties" like these:
http://www.xtremecrabwear.com/i/PerformanceWear/Black_Short.jpg

Looks like these are all along the lines of what I've been looking at, and decently priced too. And it looks like you like the 4.5" inseam too. I know exactly what you mean about the really short ones, lofl, but I think 3"-3.5" would be fine. The really short ones are like, 1.5".



As for the hill - try mapmyrun.com (check the elevation box when mapping it) and draw it out. Should give you a guesstimate.

Sucks that you're on your own, but it's an individual thing in the end anyway, right? When someone 1st posted that link I tried it, but my hood isn't recognized. Not sure why, as it's an approx 13yr old sub division.

[rpaul11]

The best you can manage is the best you can manage. At least you got it done. WTG!



I could have managed more Kevin. I had just planned a 2 mile run and decided to walk some after. I'm just kinda stuck in 2 mile mode at the moment.

[snoack]

Waiting to hear how it went.



didn't hit it last night, really wiped out and felt like my head was caving in. Went to bed at about 9:30...BUT...

...woke up at 5:30 this morning, feeling like I'd slept about a week. Awesome energy level and 2 1/2 hours before I had to be out the door, so I hit it this morning.

Went great! Really have my pacing nailed, can speed up and slow down comfortably now. Felt like I could have pushed to 3 running laps for each set, but I'm still moving it along easy. Did the first 1 1/2 laps out of each 2 running laps at a good comfortable pace and then really stretched out my stride hard for the last half lap. Looked like this

run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 200 yards

skipped the steps this morning as it was still a little dark and I couldn't see too well.

[rpaul11]

didn't hit it last night, really wiped out and felt like my head was caving in. Went to bed at about 9:30...BUT...

...woke up at 5:30 this morning, feeling like I'd slept about a week. Awesome energy level and 2 1/2 hours before I had to be out the door, so I hit it this morning.

Went great! Really have my pacing nailed, can speed up and slow down comfortably now. Felt like I could have pushed to 3 running laps for each set, but I'm still moving it along easy. Did the first 1 1/2 laps out of each 2 running laps at a good comfortable pace and then really stretched out my stride hard for the last half lap. Looked like this

run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 200 yards

skipped the steps this morning as it was still a little dark and I couldn't see too well.

this is a 1/4 mile track?

[snoack]

this is a 1/4 mile track?

yes, with a rubberized running surface.

[rpaul11]

yes, with a rubberized running surface.

gotcha. We have one of those at the high school. I have never even run on it :o

[snoack]

gotcha. We have one of those at the high school. I have never even run on it :o

once I get to 2 straight running miles I'm planning on taking it out on the road. Hoping, at my current rate, that that's sometime around the beginning of May.

[dbx]

once I get to 2 straight running miles I'm planning on taking it out on the road. Hoping, at my current rate, that that's sometime around the beginning of May.

Good job. It's funny, but I've onlyrun in the early morning dark once, and it was one of the best runs I've ever had. And yeah, I've run at my kid's HS track which has the same surface. You'll get used to harder pavement soon enough, but it has taken me time to.

OK, my 18yr old ran with me today. We headed out of the neighborhood and ran the road I hit once before.

4.3 Miles
42 Minutes
153 Avg HR
176 Peak
Cals 752

My quads got tight on the hills on the return trip, but I actually felt freakin great during the whole run! I was long overdue for a run that felt like this. I'd pay big money to find the secret of what makes this difference :D. The irony; I felt like we were killing it, pace-wise, overall........but when I looked at me records after we got back, I could hardly believe I ran this route in 39mins by myself last time. Geez, I thought I was dying and felt like I was crawling that day. I really, really suck at guessing my pace.

[thepainter5]

.....Damn, you had this all last week too, right? I thought you did a run of 3 miles or something... and fought through it after just getting over the flu? Either way, I hope you get well soon, Rod. This will throw a kink into your 1/2 M training, I'm sure......Yes this illness is really screwing with my 1/2 M training. That run is going to be longer than I had planned.
The first week was a chest cold that ended 2 days before this flu hit. I keep waking up hoping my energy is back. I sleep 16+ hours and I think my cats are starting to think I am one of them now.


man, I hate that. Try to train and get sick...then on top of being sick all you an think about is not being able to train. what a bummer.
get better soon man. Chicken soup or whatever works for you.
You are totally right, I am dying to train. I think of loading up on caffiene just to see if I can get some kind of work out in. Sadly that will likely prolong this agony.
I guess I should be thankful that this isn't the puking/crapping type of flu.



Thursday 3/20/09

I'm going after those extra cals I took in with a vengeance. After 5.8 total miles for 2 runs yesterday, I hit it today and managed 4 miles.

Run Time - 40mins (slightly slower pace)
Avg HR - 150
Peak HR - 175
Cals - 683

I'm trying something different; for all 3 yrs I've been running, I've always run fasted. Always. This past 2wks when I complained about feeling burned out, I just felt like I had no fuel to burn. So, today I ate my regular pre-lifting meal and waited an hour to run. Honestly, my legs felt heavy and my breathing felt strained, but the important thing is that I never felt nauseous from having food in me, so I might continue doing this. To hell with the very slight edge running fasted has for burning cals. At least, for now :).

On longer runs I definitely make sure I have eaten. On the half M runs I take 2 bottles of workout drinks to sustain the essentials needed for my muscles to do the job.

[thedisneydad]

just pulled a 15.1 miler out of my bottom...oh, am I feeling run down...haha.

Ran at a nine min pace for the first ten miles then I dunno, maybe endorphins or whatever, but I took to an 8min pace for the last five...

My toes are bruised. oh, they hurt. I'm jazzed though...feels good to know I can do the half marathon on the 5th.

Anybody have any suggestions for running gear? This is my first, so what might I need that isn't on the list. I have my carb gel, my shoes(of course), flip flops for after :D and clothes all picked out. Anybody ever look into the bottle carriers that sit around your hips?

I'm getting nervous the closer I get.

[dbx]

Yes this illness is really screwing with my 1/2 M training. That run is going to be longer than I had planned.
The first week was a chest cold that ended 2 days before this flu hit. I keep waking up hoping my energy is back. I sleep 16+ hours and I think my cats are starting to think I am one of them now.

You'll be over it in due time :(.


On longer runs I definitely make sure I have eaten. On the half M runs I take 2 bottles of workout drinks to sustain the essentials needed for my muscles to do the job.

I believe the distance has been somewhat coincidental for me, and so far. Some 2.5 miles runs have left me feeling on empty energy-wise, and then like yesterday....I ran 4.3 fasted and felt great. I'm confused :).



OK, my 18yr old ran with me today. We headed out of the neighborhood and ran the road I hit once before.

4.3 Miles
42 Minutes
153 Avg HR
176 Peak
Cals 752


I did the same route again today, by myself (I let the youngster sleep :)). I ate before today's run, and did didn't feel as strong as yesterday. However, I not only beat yesterday by over 2mins, but beat my first run on this route by 12 seconds. Kinda scary though, as I "peaked" at my max HR too.

4.3 Miles
39:38 Mins
Avg 159
Peak 181
Cals 753

And I need to adjust my HRM down two pounds to have a bit more accuracy (fwiw on a HRM) for cals burned. This is a good thing :).

This also makes 4 days in a row running for me, which is kinda new. I was never able to run consecutive days like this, and my legs aren't aching like they used to. 15.2 Miles for 4 days! I have the sickness :eek:

Enjoy your weekend, folks!

[thepainter5]

You'll be over it in due time :(.

I said screw it and took my caffienated preworkout drink and went downstairs to workout. I started off slow and even though I felt light headed at times, I did manage a decent workout with my strength being about 90% of normal.
Because the workout went well I hopped on the stationary bike and put in 45 minutes at 70-80% max HR.
I don't know what I am going to feel like later or tomorrow, but at least I did something better than sleeping all day.


I believe the distance has been somewhat coincidental for me, and so far. Some 2.5 miles runs have left me feeling on empty energy-wise, and then like yesterday....I ran 4.3 fasted and felt great. I'm confused :).It may have more to do with what you had for dinner the night before. In preperation of the full/half marathon, runners typically carb load the night before to be ready to run the next day.




I did the same route again today, by myself (I let the youngster sleep :)). I ate before today's run, and did didn't feel as strong as yesterday. However, I not only beat yesterday by over 2mins, but beat my first run on this route by 12 seconds. Kinda scary though, as I "peaked" at my max HR too.

4.3 Miles
39:38 Mins
Avg 159
Peak 181
Cals 753

And I need to adjust my HRM down two pounds to have a bit more accuracy (fwiw on a HRM) for cals burned. This is a good thing :).

This also makes 4 days in a row running for me, which is kinda new. I was never able to run consecutive days like this, and my legs aren't aching like they used to. 15.2 Miles for 4 days! I have the sickness :eek:

Enjoy your weekend, folks!

Congrats on the successful, consecutive runs as well as coming out of your denial phase. 15.2 miles in 4 days is considered distance running. :p

[dbx]

I said screw it and took my caffienated preworkout drink and went downstairs to workout. I started off slow and even though I felt light headed at times, I did manage a decent workout with my strength being about 90% of normal.
Because the workout went well I hopped on the stationary bike and put in 45 minutes at 70-80% max HR.
I don't know what I am going to feel like later or tomorrow, but at least I did something better than sleeping all day.

Now that's the way to do it! I've stopped telling people they should workout when they're sick, but with few exceptions, it makes me feel a lot better. It's also the epitome of commitment!


It may have more to do with what you had for dinner the night before. In preperation of the full/half marathon, runners typically carb load the night before to be ready to run the next day.

Yeah, I know about that too. I was discussing this subject earlier today with my oldest son, who ran track/cross country in HS. I think I may have been too low on carbs in general, but can't recall my food intake the day prior to feeling so good on the next day's run. I can only imgaine being asked in a murder trial, "So where were you on night of ..." :)


Congrats on the successful, consecutive runs as well as coming out of your denial phase. 15.2 miles in 4 days is considered distance running. :p

:p. My son was also telling me that my bone density may be increased in my legs, and that's why they haven't been hurting like they used to...when I'd have to take off at least 1 day (if not, 2) after a running day of just 2 miles.

[bhaputi]

So i ran with a co-worker today. 4 miles with him, 7.36 on my own. Averaged 10:22 per mile with him, then put some speed in to finish with an overall average of 9:20 for the full 11.36. Felt great. This ended my highest mileage week since Dec of 2007 - 32.1 total miles.
Now it is time to refill those 1800 or so calories I burned :)

[rpaul11]

So i ran with a co-worker today. 4 miles with him, 7.36 on my own. Averaged 10:22 per mile with him, then put some speed in to finish with an overall average of 9:20 for the full 11.36. Felt great. This ended my highest mileage week since Dec of 2007 - 32.1 total miles.
Now it is time to refill those 1800 or so calories I burned :)

I think I've run 32 miles in the past 3 months :o

[bhaputi]

I think I've run 32 miles in the past 3 months :o

It's all a matter of goals :) I am barely lifting right now, so running is about the only thing I do. That will change after this half, though.

There is a woman on another forum I frequent specific to running. She went through chemotherapy last year for cancer which, so far, is in remission. She was diagnosed on Feb 14th. This year, to give cancer the big middle finger, she ran 214 miles the week of Feb 14th. eek.

[dbx]

Monday 3/23/09

Yesterday was my 1st rest day. I felt cold, weak and tired this morning. I actually laid down for 45mins. I actually can pat myself on the back today for forcing myself out to run. I not only pushed through 2.6 miles straight, but I pushed the time good too. And then...I ran two .6 mile segments of walk/sprint. And then.... I decided to jog 2 more .6 segments.

Total distance 5 miles
Time 46:46 (was surprised with the walking that it was this good for me)
Avg HR 151
Peak HR 176
Cals 801

Good start to the week.

And for the record, I actually ran approx 18.7 miles last week. I forgot to include my 3.5M Sunday run in FL :).

[rpaul11]

Monday 3/23/09

Yesterday was my 1st rest day. I felt cold, weak and tired this morning. I actually laid down for 45mins. I actually can pat myself on the back today for forcing myself out to run. I not only pushed through 2.6 miles straight, but I pushed the time good too. And then...I ran two .6 mile segments of walk/sprint. And then.... I decided to jog 2 more .6 segments.

Total distance 5 miles
Time 46:46 (was surprised with the walking that it was this good for me)
Avg HR 151
Peak HR 176
Cals 801

Good start to the week.

And for the record, I actually ran approx 18.7 miles last week. I forgot to include my 3.5M Sunday run in FL :).

so I ask again. when will you be running your 1/2 :p

[TraumaMamma]

I need some help!

I am doing the Couch to 5 K. I have new balance, runners.

I have completed week one. Warm up of 5 min, then I stretch.

Then I get on the treadmill and do the 5 min warm up, the run/walk and the 5 min cool down.

I am not going fast at all.3.5 for brisk walk (taking smaller steps, I could run like Sasquatch, my legs are 36" long) but I am trying to be mindful of my mechanics and foot placement. (I do not heel strike, but try to follow the advice of what it feels like to run barefoot...landing flat footed)

I am not tensed up while running. I am loose and try to also not hunch over on the treadmill as well. (I need to have hubby watch my form next time).

Up until a few wks ago, I was following a weight loss diet, and I realize this is not a good idea for a runner. I have to totally rethink my relationship with carbs.

I know I have not been eating enough, but I do eat clean. Salads, fish, steaks, veggies, whole wheat pasta, 4 eggwhite omletes, etc.

I am finding myself uttery exhausted after a run. I also am on nite shift for a few more days then going back to afternoons so at least my sleep will not be disturbed. ( I am a 911 operator, my job is sitting for 8-16 hrs sometimes and my schedule can swing at times....which is rough on my body, sleep and exercise routine!)

When I have a few days off on nite shift, it is impossible for me to feel rested on my days off as I can never sleep.

I am not in any pain, per se, but I do have a bit of a tightness in my right hamstring, which also is the knee I have dislocated twice. Sometimes, I feel like it quivers.

I have also hard of footstrike anemia where runners are prone to being anemic and although I have just started the running, I was working pretty hard on my ifit workouts on the treadmill prior.

I should add, I feel like I could run longer than what the podcast is telling me to do, but near the middle and the end of the workout, my right hammy is cramping up and tight.

I do stretch too, after my run.

What am I doing wrong?

I want to do the harrier runs ( because they sound like an utter hoot) but need to get my first marathon under my belt.

Which is in June. I have my first one planned out! I am nervous about running without my ipod or my treadmill speed to pace me.

I have cut my BP meds in half and pulse is more normal, 78-81 while resting and BP is normal as well. So I should have MORE energy than I did when I was hospitalized with my overdosage of BP meds, low BP and HR of 52. I could barely stay awake before, my vision was blurry and it was all from the meds!

The overdosage was incurred from my current exersize schedule, eating clean and losing weight. With my lifestyle changes, I needed less of the medication.

I had a negative stress test and sleep study, so now the game is just mental and physical!

I am soo confused!

[thedisneydad]

It's all a matter of goals :) I am barely lifting right now, so running is about the only thing I do. That will change after this half, though.

There is a woman on another forum I frequent specific to running. She went through chemotherapy last year for cancer which, so far, is in remission. She was diagnosed on Feb 14th. This year, to give cancer the big middle finger, she ran 214 miles the week of Feb 14th. eek.
that's one helluva a way to give it the middle finger. I don't know how the hell anybody could run that much, but my GF says the same about aqnybody who runs more than two miles. Still, damn

Monday 3/23/09

Yesterday was my 1st rest day. I felt cold, weak and tired this morning. I actually laid down for 45mins. I actually can pat myself on the back today for forcing myself out to run. I not only pushed through 2.6 miles straight, but I pushed the time good too. And then...I ran two .6 mile segments of walk/sprint. And then.... I decided to jog 2 more .6 segments.

Total distance 5 miles
Time 46:46 (was surprised with the walking that it was this good for me)
Avg HR 151
Peak HR 176
Cals 801

Good start to the week.

And for the record, I actually ran approx 18.7 miles last week. I forgot to include my 3.5M Sunday run in FL :).
that's an awesome start to the week!

My toes are starting to bruise. I just picked up some seamless socks...will tell yay or nay after I run today. The other seamless ones weren't really seamless once you started exercising in them. Ugh, blisters.

[dbx]

so I ask again. when will you be running your 1/2 :p

I swear to you all....I have no designs on running anything other than my own routine for fat loss purposes! Having said that, I'm also very aware that I'm a very impulsive SOB, and that any whim is possible. Hell, I was semi-joking with my younger son last night that we should go for a run (my 1st day off from running after 4 straight). If he'd have said yes...I would have done it.


I need some help!
Up until a few wks ago, I was following a weight loss diet, and I realize this is not a good idea for a runner. I have to totally rethink my relationship with carbs.

I know I have not been eating enough, but I do eat clean. Salads, fish, steaks, veggies, whole wheat pasta, 4 eggwhite omletes, etc.

First, welcome to BB.com, and welcome to our little thread dedicated to running! From what you've written, you appear to be very informed, have a plan, and seem pretty intelligent. A great start :).

Above, I have emboldened what I believe to be your answers to your own questions. But be warned; I'm an experienced lifter, but feel like I'm a very new runner with only going on 3 seasons under my belt, so take what I say/suggest with that in mind, as I have many similar mysteries like you, that I haven't figured out with any degree of absolute certainty :).


I am finding myself uttery exhausted after a run.

I am not in any pain, per se, but I do have a bit of a tightness in my right hamstring, which also is the knee I have dislocated twice. Sometimes, I feel like it quivers.

Being "utterly exhausted after a run" sounds normal, but there's not enough info. Do you mean immediately after? And hour later? During the run? Your acclimation and stretching "sounds" like you're doing all the right things, so you'd have to be more specific here.

I've never taken a poll, but I've picked up on this; it seems that it's fairly common for each of us to have one hamstring that is tighter than the other. With me, it's my left. Extra stretching and attention has not changed this for me.


I have also hard of footstrike anemia where runners are prone to being anemic and although I have just started the running, I was working pretty hard on my ifit workouts on the treadmill prior.

Not sure what you mean here (terminology). I know women are more prone to being anemic, but I'm not sure if you're using the term for runners metaphorically when it comes to the way the foot strikes :confused:. I do know that I have days where I feel like my stride is very "chopped", and that I'm subconsciously trying to "avoid slamming" my foot down on each stride....and landing as you describe...flatfooted. I think it may be a "calf thing" or some kind of stride imbalance. Out of sync....


I should add, I feel like I could run longer than what the podcast is telling me to do, but near the middle and the end of the workout, my right hammy is cramping up and tight.

I do stretch too, after my run.
What am I doing wrong?

If you feel you can run longer and stronger...do it! Don't let a podcast tell you when to stop. The tight hamstring(s) is almost certainly due to short strides. If you "open up" your run (stride), you'll see this fade away. My hams kill me if I jog like a 90yr old man.


I want to do the harrier runs ( because they sound like an utter hoot) but need to get my first marathon under my belt.

Which is in June. I have my first one planned out! I am nervous about running without my ipod or my treadmill speed to pace me.

Geez, you're talking marathon :eek: Ambitious! And I applaud your ambition. Pardon the pun, but learn to walk before you run...kinda/sorta :D.

Don't worry about the pace thing. We all freak out about it, but it seems to work out OK. Either way, you'll learn from whatever happens!


I have cut my BP meds in half and pulse is more normal, 78-81 while resting and BP is normal as well. So I should have MORE energy than I did when I was hospitalized with my overdosage of BP meds, low BP and HR of 52. I could barely stay awake before, my vision was blurry and it was all from the meds!

The overdosage was incurred from my current exersize schedule, eating clean and losing weight. With my lifestyle changes, I needed less of the medication.

I had a negative stress test and sleep study, so now the game is just mental and physical!

I am soo confused!

This ^ part scares me. It scares me that you sound so intelligent, yet would ask us for advice concerning HBP meds that you should be asking a doc about. If you're that sure you can'/should cut back, then confirm it with your doc...and act accordingly. Sorry, but I hate it when people ask strangers on-line for medical advice :).

I hope I made a dent in all the things related to your questions. Again, welcome! Stay, learn, share, and have fun!

[thedisneydad]

I need some help!



I should add, I feel like I could run longer than what the podcast is telling me to do, but near the middle and the end of the workout, my right hammy is cramping up and tight.

I do stretch too, after my run.

What am I doing wrong?

I had a negative stress test and sleep study, so now the game is just mental and physical!

I am soo confused!

I think the major issue with your cramps is one that may be solved by running with a more natural stride...just let your body run how it wants to...to a degree. If you have good running shoes, go heel to toe. There;s no need to go flatfooted...you'll fatigue yourself.

Also, you mention BP meds...any for water retention? That flushed your electrolytes out big time. So, you'll need to supplement with a good multi vit/min that includes all of the salts. Gatorade isn't a bad choice, but may not be enough to get the job done.

YEah, most of it is mental...convincing yourself to keep going...like me sitting in this chair since 8am instead of getting out and doing me 13 miles. I really don't want to. But I have to.

Also, you mention your first marathon in June? I'm hoping you mean your first 5k right? That's doable...the marathon would be a stretch to pull of while remaining injury free. that isn't to say you couldn't do it. I wouldn't want to with this little time to prep though, lol.

Oh yeah, you'll need carbs like you said. I'm fully in love with carbs all over again :D

[TraumaMamma]

Also, you mention BP meds...any for water retention? That flushed your electrolytes out big time. So, you'll need to supplement with a good multi vit/min that includes all of the salts. Gatorade isn't a bad choice, but may not be enough to get the job done.


Also, you mention your first marathon in June? I'm hoping you mean your first 5k right? That's doable...the marathon would be a stretch to pull of while remaining injury free. that isn't to say you couldn't do it. I wouldn't want to with this little time to prep though, lol.

Oh yeah, you'll need carbs like you said. I'm fully in love with carbs all over again :D

My BP meds are Atenolol. Beta blockers, which slow the HR and lower the BP. I have been on them for 8 yrs and honestly, they have seriously screwed with my metabolism. It was after I got off my treadmill one day that I was dizzy, wheezing and had blurry vision. I bought an overnite stay to a Cardiac stepdown unit last month to find that Atenolol will give you all those symptoms after a workout if the dose is too high.

I feel like I have more energy now, being on half the dose before. You do have to taper it, going straight off it could give me major heart problems. My heart has to learn to operate without the medication.

Yes, 5 K. I am no where near ready for anything bigger. Doing the couch to 5 K I should be ready. It is at the end of June.

My hubby uses xtend on here, from Scivation. I am thinking I should use it as well. It has no stimulants, and will help with fatigue.

I started this journey last summer, after my doctor told me my cholesterol numbers were critically high.

I have lowered ALL of them to normal with diet, Omegas and exercise, since then. I refused to be put on Lipitor. I did it on my own!

So now, I wanna do more!

[dbx]

Yes, 5 K. I am no where near ready for anything bigger. Doing the couch to 5 K I should be ready. It is at the end of June.

Phew! :)


My hubby uses xtend on here, from Scivation. I am thinking I should use it as well. It has no stimulants, and will help with fatigue.

I've been using Xtend for over 3yrs now. Excellent product, and yes, it will help you with recovery...and perhaps some fatigue. You should maybe look into beta-alanine, as it will help more with fatigue. I've been using it for almost 3yrs now, and swear by it for lifting and running!

[TraumaMamma]

This ^ part scares me. It scares me that you sound so intelligent, yet would ask us for advice concerning HBP meds that you should be asking a doc about. If you're that sure you can'/should cut back, then confirm it with your doc...and act accordingly. Sorry, but I hate it when people ask strangers on-line for medical advice :).

I hope I made a dent in all the things related to your questions. Again, welcome! Stay, learn, share, and have fun!


Thanks ! And don't be scared, I am not asking any questions about my BP meds. I am working on my doc with that and lowering the dose. Safely!

I do have a good idea of how the heart works and medications. I also happen to be a paramedic. I did not have any idea about what it was like to have too much of that in my system until I ended up in the hospital. It was my doctor who cleared me after my stress test which is negative and my sleep study as well.

My questions were more related to my hamstring and fatigue.

My fatigue is a few hours after the run. The sofa is like a huge magnet to me and I can fall asleep the minute I sit down.

[dbx]

Thanks ! And don't be scared, I am not asking any questions about my BP meds. I am working on my doc with that and lowering the dose. Safely!

Just so you know....I had Atenol (sp) prescribed to me about 5yrs ago. I walked into the doc's office with 224/124 BP. No ****. Long story short, I changed my life......and now have normal BP through diet and exercise.


My questions were more related to my hamstring and fatigue.

My fatigue is a few hours after the run. The sofa is like a huge magnet to me and I can fall asleep the minute I sit down.

I have only just recently gotten over the "Run distance and feel like I've been hit by a train" syndrome, and I'm not really sure what made the difference.

[thedisneydad]

Just so you know....I had Atenol (sp) prescribed to me about 5yrs ago. I walked into the doc's office with 224/124 BP. No ****. Long story short, I changed my life......and now have normal BP through diet and exercise.



I have only just recently gotten over the "Run distance and feel like I've been hit by a train" syndrome, and I'm not really sure what made the difference.

nutrients, and your muscles being able to recoup quicker, I'd imagine.

Some days are great for me, and others are like the freight train. I just can't keep it together and finally pass out on the couch. Usually only after eating a couple thousand calories, which I no longer beat myself up over.

Still other times it seems like it takes two or three days to get over the fatigue...lol.
Such is the life of a distance funner I guess.

[dbx]

nutrients, and your muscles being able to recoup quicker, I'd imagine.

Some days are great for me, and others are like the freight train. I just can't keep it together and finally pass out on the couch. Usually only after eating a couple thousand calories, which I no longer beat myself up over.

Still other times it seems like it takes two or three days to get over the fatigue...lol.
Such is the life of a distance funner I guess.

Well...actually...you simply reiterate my point; there is often no known reason(s) for feeling like this. And you're 34, while I'm 50. Some days are just better than others.

[djl_ottawa]

Well, the past week has been interesting for me cardio wise.

I have started running and the first thing I have to say is...HOLY CRAP.

Now why holy crap? Two reasons. The weight lose is just faster.

And the 2nd reason and why I decided to write was, the pain.

I have a good pair if cross trainers. But I find if I run for more then 5 minutes I start to feel some, not really pain but achiness, in my ankle. If I stop and just walk I feel fine. I don't feel it once I am done my cardio or anything. So I have been doing 5 minute run, 2 minute break and usually after that I can only do 3 minute intervals before the ache comes back. I KNOW I can do more, just I have to stop because of the achel.

I am using a treadmill so not running outside (to frikken cold out yet!).

[thedisneydad]

Well...actually...you simply reiterate my point; there is often no known reason(s) for feeling like this. And you're 34, while I'm 50. Some days are just better than others.
that does make a difference. truthfully, I never noticed your age before, lol. CAll me blind I guess.

Well, the past week has been interesting for me cardio wise.

I have started running and the first thing I have to say is...HOLY CRAP.

Now why holy crap? Two reasons. The weight lose is just faster.

And the 2nd reason and why I decided to write was, the pain.

I have a good pair if cross trainers. But I find if I run for more then 5 minutes I start to feel some, not really pain but achiness, in my ankle. If I stop and just walk I feel fine. I don't feel it once I am done my cardio or anything. So I have been doing 5 minute run, 2 minute break and usually after that I can only do 3 minute intervals before the ache comes back. I KNOW I can do more, just I have to stop because of the achel.

I am using a treadmill so not running outside (to frikken cold out yet!).

definitely peels the weight off faster.
Have you looked into running shoes, rather than cross trainers?

[snoack]

Have you looked into running shoes, rather than cross trainers?

this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[dbx]

that does make a difference. truthfully, I never noticed your age before, lol. CAll me blind I guess.

Um...not really so much, imo. I didn't intend for it to sound like an excuse, and it really wasn't relevant. In fact, I marvel at 60+yr old guys who totally smoke me in the two 5K's I've run. So, no age excuse here. If anything, just a guy older than you who is trying to figure out recovery equation, which at age 34, you're also baffled by :p :D

[rpaul11]

I have to agree with the others about your stride contributing to your hamstring pain. Each of us needs to find his/her own stride and work with it. I am thinking you are Dave's wife? if so ...welcome...well, even if not welcome :)

The xtend is a great product but I don't feel it fights fatigue as much as aids in recovery. The beta alanie that DBX suggested does help with the fatigue. I put a small scoop in whatever I drink pre and post workout.

Be careful running too much too soon. You say you feel like you can run further, yet you say you are exhausted so that confuses me a bit I found that my lungs developed a lot quicker than my legs when I began running. So definitely exert yourself, but don't overdo it. Don't be afraid to take days off to rest.

[dbx]

Don't be afraid to take days off to rest.

What is this rest you speak of?

[rpaul11]

What is this rest you speak of?

:rolleyes:

resting is my specialty :D

[dbx]

:rolleyes:

resting is my specialty :D

You are the master! :eek:

[rpaul11]

You are the master! :eek:

I believe one time I almost overrested....gotta be careful with those things.

[TraumaMamma]

I have to agree with the others about your stride contributing to your hamstring pain. Each of us needs to find his/her own stride and work with it. I am thinking you are Dave's wife? if so ...welcome...well, even if not welcome :)

The xtend is a great product but I don't feel it fights fatigue as much as aids in recovery. The beta alanie that DBX suggested does help with the fatigue. I put a small scoop in whatever I drink pre and post workout.

Be careful running too much too soon. You say you feel like you can run further, yet you say you are exhausted so that confuses me a bit I found that my lungs developed a lot quicker than my legs when I began running. So definitely exert yourself, but don't overdo it. Don't be afraid to take days off to rest.


Yes, I am Dave's wife.

And what you just said kind of makes sense to me. Lung-wise, yeah, I feel I could run longer. Hamstring-wise, not so much.

The couch to 5 k is pretty basic. Last week I warmed up and cooled down for 10 min, which leaves the other 20 in a walk for 90 seconds, jog for 60 second pattern.

Tommorrow starts week 2. The normal warm up/cool down, but jog for 90 seconds/walk for 2 min.

It sounds easier. Ha. Ask me tommorrow. ;)

As I am 44, I wasn't about to do what I did in my youth. In the military you do all kinds of workouts and THEN you run. As if you were not whooped enough.

I ain't a spring chicken anymore, so I am taking it slow!

[rpaul11]

Yes, I am Dave's wife.

And what you just said kind of makes sense to me. Lung-wise, yeah, I feel I could run longer. Hamstring-wise, not so much.

The couch to 5 k is pretty basic. Last week I warmed up and cooled down for 10 min, which leaves the other 20 in a walk for 90 seconds, jog for 60 second pattern.

Tommorrow starts week 2. The normal warm up/cool down, but jog for 90 seconds/walk for 2 min.

It sounds easier. Ha. Ask me tommorrow. ;)

As I am 44, I wasn't about to do what I did in my youth. In the military you do all kinds of workouts and THEN you run. As if you were not whooped enough.

I ain't a spring chicken anymore, so I am taking it slow!


I have heard of that couch to 5k plan but I have never actually laid eyes on it. I just started running....a few hundred yards at first, then walk till I caught my breath....then again...over and over. Last year I ran my first and only 5k. It was a lot of fun, but now I just run when I have the urge. Of course ya never know...I may jump in and do another 5k again this year.

[thedisneydad]

where can I find a basic couch to 5k for my gf? I think she's trying to do too much too soon. At any rate, I'd rather send her a link than write a program for her.

Also, just ran 13.5miles in my new socks. Ok, well I wore my shoes too, but tried some new socks I picked up at academy last night. I'm so tired of so called performance socks that boast seamless construction, then wear holes into my toes.

So, I picked up three pairs of these:
http://www.asicsamerica.com/PROD_PIC/SPRING_2009/MEDPIC/ZK825_01M.jpg

Not just any running sock, this new design is ultra-padded in strategic locations to promote balance and stability, and protect blister prone areas. Also, note the seamless toe construction and the nice aroma of its anti-microbial weave.

Strategic ultra-padded locations to promote balance and stability
Padding protects from blister-prone areas of foot
Anti-microbial properties inherent in yarn in toe and heel
Seamless toe construction

Love them. Toes aren't sore. No blisters. they were $9 for three pairs, but completely worth it IMHO.

I only had one major problem with my run today...not enough carbs. I need too really dial that in. I seem to walk that line between bloated and sluggish feeling, or being spry, but only for five miles or so and trying to keep up by ingesting carbs while I run.

I'll get there. lol.

[rpaul11]

where can I find a basic couch to 5k for my gf? I think she's trying to do too much too soon. At any rate, I'd rather send her a link than write a program for her.

Also, just ran 13.5miles in my new socks. Ok, well I wore my shoes too, but tried some new socks I picked up at academy last night. I'm so tired of so called performance socks that boast seamless construction, then wear holes into my toes.

So, I picked up three pairs of these:
http://www.asicsamerica.com/PROD_PIC/SPRING_2009/MEDPIC/ZK825_01M.jpg


Love them. Toes aren't sore. No blisters. they were $9 for three pairs, but completely worth it IMHO.

I only had one major problem with my run today...not enough carbs. I need too really dial that in. I seem to walk that line between bloated and sluggish feeling, or being spry, but only for five miles or so and trying to keep up by ingesting carbs while I run.

I'll get there. lol.

are the socks a microfiber?

what are they called?



I ran 3 miles with the dog tonight. 25:20 total time including sanitation duty :D

[dbx]

Love them. Toes aren't sore. No blisters. they were $9 for three pairs, but completely worth it IMHO.

I only had one major problem with my run today...not enough carbs. I need too really dial that in. I seem to walk that line between bloated and sluggish feeling, or being spry, but only for five miles or so and trying to keep up by ingesting carbs while I run.

I've always worn Champion ankle (low cut?) socks and have never had a problem ever with blisters or holes in them. They're thick and comfy. I'd think good quality and proper fitting running shoe would prevent what you've had a problem with. ???

Anyway, great run! Geez, will I ever be saying I ran 13 miles....in one day? :D. I also can't picture being able to eat anything while running. Hell, I can't even drink water until I've caught my breath :(.


I ran 3 miles with the dog tonight. 25:20 total time including sanitation duty :D

Rich, that's an excellent time imo, especially with the stop!

Hey, I think Bhaputi told me about Mapmy run. Well, I actually joined it and it DOES recognize my neighborhood. The good news; as I suspected, my normal 1.3 lap is actually 1.39, so that nearly 1/10th extra adds up after a few laps. This also explains my running times seeming to suck compared to the 2 race times I've managed. Lol, I knew it couldn't all be adrenaline :D

Also, The Bitch (fond name for the hill in my hood on my 1.3M route/lap) is actually only elevated 62 feet. But ****, at .28 long (yes, I also verified what I've been saying had to be 1/4m long)....that hill kills me!

[rpaul11]

Rich, that's an excellent time imo, especially with the stop!

Hey, I think Bhaputi told me about Mapmy run. Well, I actually joined it and it DOES recognize my neighborhood. The good news; as I suspected, my normal 1.3 lap is actually 1.39, so that nearly 1/10th extra adds up after a few laps. This also explains my running times seeming to suck compared to the 2 race times I've managed. Lol, I knew it couldn't all be adrenaline :D

Also, The Bitch (fond name for the hill in my hood on my 1.3M route/lap) is actually only elevated 62 feet. But ****, at .28 long (yes, I also verified what I've been saying had to be 1/4m long)....that hill kills me!

I have used map my run before but never signed up...Just plotted runs a a guest. Does joining give you extra features? The problem I have with the one trail I like to run is a lot of it is covered with tree growth so the one winding area that I travel it is hard to place exactly where the path runs.

The dog stops are less than 30 seconds usually BTW.

[bhaputi]

Quick drive-by post...

Couch to 5K plan can be found here - http://www.c25k.com/
I never used it, but I hear great things about it.

Off to bed - have mile repeats at 6 AM to do....yay. Legs are still a little sore from yesterday's 11+ miler, but I think it will work out :)

[dbx]

I have used map my run before but never signed up...Just plotted runs a a guest. Does joining give you extra features? The problem I have with the one trail I like to run is a lot of it is covered with tree growth so the one winding area that I travel it is hard to place exactly where the path runs.

The dog stops are less than 30 seconds usually BTW.

Man, I almost stopped the joining process...and then I almost stopped the "mapping" process. I suck at PC type things, but damn it, that thing had me pissed trying to figure out how to use it. Can't say about extra features, as I'm not sure. It only takes the usual BS questions to join. I kept all my stuff private, especially since I start runs from my house :rolleyes:. They want your routed to be seen by everyone, so it seems. Anyway, it seems pretty cool, and maybe I'll get more familiar with it....if I ever use it again :D. I mean, I mapped what I wanted to verify distance, primarily. When you check the "elevation" option...the damn thing imposes a big box right over where you're "routing", so you can't even see it. Weird **** like that. Meh...again, I suck at PC stuff.

And still, 30 sec stop is still a good time for that run, damn it!

[TraumaMamma]

where can I find a basic couch to 5k for my gf? I think she's trying to do too much too soon. At any rate, I'd rather send her a link than write a program for her.



I saw the the site, but I didn't want to try and run and watch the time AND adjust when I run and when I walk. It really is a gentle introduction to jogging.

Last week, week one, I warmed up for 5/ cooled down for 5, which left 20 minutes in between with a walk 90 seconds, jog 60 sec.

Tommorrow, I walk 2 min and jog 90 sec. So they gradually increase you.

Does she have an Ipod? Even if she doesn't there are many audios for her mp3 player that cue when you run/walk.

I prefer my girl Suz.

http://www.kissmyblackass.org/?page_id=86

Because many of the audio training programs on the C25k link are more like elevator music and I want something a bit more motivating. Songs I actually like.

[marmadukemas]

Good evening everyone, I am on break this week and not lifting, been able to get a little more running in too. Sat/Sun I was able to get two runs in a 24 hr period. Before my race in August, I need to be able to run 3x8mi in 24 hr period, so that's what I am traning for.

I'm trying something different; for all 3 yrs I've been running, I've always run fasted. Always. This past 2wks when I complained about feeling burned out, I just felt like I had no fuel to burn. So, today I ate my regular pre-lifting meal and waited an hour to run. Honestly, my legs felt heavy and my breathing felt strained, but the important thing is that I never felt nauseous from having food in me, so I might continue doing this. To hell with the very slight edge running fasted has for burning cals. At least, for now :).

I used to run on fast also, but now I need someting to eat earlier. I've found I can still run well after eating a peice of fruit, or small bowl of oatmeal 20-30 minutes before I run.


Did 2 miles at 6.5 mph then walked for the remainder of 40 minutes.

Nice pace RPaul!


Figure me if I blather on for a bit - thinking some things through :)

After this weekend (5 on Sat, 9 on Sun), I enter the last cutback week until my target 1/2 marathon. I was looking back over my training, and these are the weekly mileage totals since 01/26. In general, I run 5 days a week, with Mon and Fri off. Tues is speed, Wed/Thurs/Sat are easy runs, Sun is distance:

Week 1,2,3,4: 19 (end of my 6-week "base" weeks - no speedwork) Longest run was 5
Week 5: 21 planned, 23 done, Long run was 6
Week 6: 22 planned, 23.33 done, Long run was 7
Week 7: 20 planned, 22.77 done, Long run was 6
Week 8: 21 planned, 21.41 done, Long run was 8
Week 9: 20 planned, 20.13 done, Long run was 7
Week 10: 29 planned, 15.74 so far (14 planned for weekend), Long run planned for 9
Week 11: 23 planned, Long run planned for 7
Week 12: 30 planned, Long run planned for 10
Week 13: 30 planned, Long run planned for 12
Week 14: 40 planned, Long run planned for 14
Week 15: 29 planned, Long run planned for 8
Week 16: 34.1 planned, Long run planned for 13.1 - the Race :)

Speedwork: I introduced speedwork at week 5, starting with 4 miles of fartleks at weeks 5 and 6. Weeks 7-9 saw speedwork of long and short hills at 5K pace. Week 10 (this week) and Week 11 are 3x1 mile repeats at 5K pace. Weeks 12 and 13 are 6x1/2 mile at 5K pace. Week 14 is 4x1 mile repeats at 5K pace. Week 15 is taper, so no speedwork. Week 16 is race week, so no speedwork. I may cut some back for week 14 - 40 miles may be a bit much, but I will see how it feels.

Sheesh, no wonder I am tired and my feet hurt.
Good side effect, though, is my body fat is lower than it ever has been, and I sleep like a baby at night :) Also, my "easy" pace has crept down from 9:30-10:00 miles down to about 8:15-8:45. I tell you, once you focus on it, you can really see some improvement much quicker than I ever thought possible....

(sorry for blabbing - just wanted to see how this looked in print)

Wow solid traning plan! I can't tell if you are planning 34 miles the week of your race or not, but imho I'd take it pretty easy race week <10-15 miles, lots of sleep and lots of carbs


Looks like these are all along the lines of what I've been looking at, and decently priced too. And it looks like you like the 4.5" inseam too. I know exactly what you mean about the really short ones, lofl, but I think 3"-3.5" would be fine. The really short ones are like, 1.5".


So I've been having problems with my arches on my left foot. A friend turned me on to SOLE inserts http://www.ems.com/1/2/2056-reviews-sole-ultra-custom-footbeds.html he went and had carbon fibre inserts made, and found that the SOLE inserts worked better. I've bought two sets and really feel a lot better with them.


didn't hit it last night, really wiped out and felt like my head was caving in. Went to bed at about 9:30...BUT...

...woke up at 5:30 this morning, feeling like I'd slept about a week. Awesome energy level and 2 1/2 hours before I had to be out the door, so I hit it this morning.

Went great! Really have my pacing nailed, can speed up and slow down comfortably now. Felt like I could have pushed to 3 running laps for each set, but I'm still moving it along easy. Did the first 1 1/2 laps out of each 2 running laps at a good comfortable pace and then really stretched out my stride hard for the last half lap. Looked like this

run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 1
run 2
walk 200 yards


Hey great interval workout, wish I had the discipline to do something this creative. I just strap on my shoes and start running, this looks like a really cool workout.

[cactusflower]

where can I find a basic couch to 5k for my gf? I think she's trying to do too much too soon. At any rate, I'd rather send her a link than write a program for her.



If you go to iTunes or have iTunes in the Podcasts there is one called Podrunner. One gives you music to run to based on bpm and there is also another the cues you when to walk run and starts from 5k and up. CHeck it out! It's free podcast too!!! :)

[dbx]

Tues 3/24/09

Got in another 4 miles. Supposed to rain tomorrow, so.....

4 Miles
38:47 (slightly slower pace)
Avg 147
peak 169
Cals 634

Got 9 miles so far for the week :).

[runner05]

Tues 3/24/09

Got in another 4 miles. Supposed to rain tomorrow, so.....

4 Miles
38:47 (slightly slower pace)
Avg 147
peak 169
Cals 634

Got 9 miles so far for the week :).

Nice run, Kev! Keep your rain though hun... we don't need ANY more! :eek: Roads are flooding ot the point where people can't get in or out of the smalls towns and/or their homes... :( Now, I'm running around trying to find places where the roads aren't flooded over!

[DanVanVliet]

Nice run, Kev! Keep your rain though hun... we don't need ANY more! :eek: Roads are flooding ot the point where people can't get in or out of the smalls towns and/or their homes... :( Now, I'm running around trying to find places where the roads aren't flooded over!

I have missed you how ya been?

[TraumaMamma]

So, I am thinking that week two will be a breeze.

After all, I am only adding 30 sec per session to my running and only have to do 6 sets of them. Only six 90 second runs.

*gasp*

I tried to be mindful of not running flatflooted. I do believe I overpronate, so I am going to have to address that.

The good news is, I did not know my hammy existed. The bad news is, my calves were on FIRE.

I wanted to quit and say running was not for me, but then I remembered I am still paying on that treadmill and I told God and everyone that I was going to run a 5 k this summer. So, I am going thru the whole mental thing now. I see how easy it would be and why so many people quit doing this. Maybe I will only run one 5 k in my life, but by God, I am gonna run at least one.

I just got thru each one and tried to make the most of my 2 min recovery walks between the runs.

I got thru it. I am looking forward to tommorrow being a strenght training day.

When does the FIRE go away and it just feels natural???

[runner05]

I have missed you how ya been?
*hugs* I'm OK... :D


When does the FIRE go away and it just feels natural???

LMAO... some days just don't... :( and then there are those days when you feel you could go on FOREVER! :) And... every day running... is a good one... haven't regretted even one!

The BEST of luck to you, hun! You'll do great... just remember... never go more than two days w/o a run! :)

[thedisneydad]

are the socks a microfiber?

what are they called?


I think they are. They're just called performance sock by asics. My shoes are great, but the old socks were making blisters on top of my toes right where the seam hits the knuckle. These stopped all that.

So, I am thinking that week two will be a breeze.



When does the FIRE go away and it just feels natural???

It will eventually. and like said before, some days you just feel like nothing can stop you. I take advantage of those days, and go till I feel that something is stopping me. :D
The mental side is the worst, but I'll tell you something that may just help you out...the pain I feel in my legs when I'm running and want to quit is nowhere near as bad as the pain I'll feel if I DO quit. Honestly...I'd beat myself up all day long if I gave up short of my mileage goal, and I can't have that.

Plus, I can eat all the chocolate truffles I want once I get home if I finish my run :D now, there's an incentive

[mlandis]

Lately my left calf has been tightening up on anywhere from 3 to 9 miles. I stretch well before and warm up and afterwards I get in a good stretch and cooldown. Someone suggested smearing icy/hot on the calf right before the run. Anyone ever hear of doing this?

[rpaul11]

Lately my left calf has been tightening up on anywhere from 3 to 9 miles. I stretch well before and warm up and afterwards I get in a good stretch and cooldown. Someone suggested smearing icy/hot on the calf right before the run. Anyone ever hear of doing this?

it definitely won't hurt anything.

[mlandis]

it definitely won't hurt anything.

Thanks!

[bhaputi]

Lately my left calf has been tightening up on anywhere from 3 to 9 miles. I stretch well before and warm up and afterwards I get in a good stretch and cooldown. Someone suggested smearing icy/hot on the calf right before the run. Anyone ever hear of doing this?

Sounds like either a shoe issue, a muscle imbalance, or a camber issue. Do you have shoes you got from an actual running store? Do you run on a road that is cambered?

[bhaputi]

Well, I wussed out tonight. I was supposed to do speedwork, but I was just not feeling it, so I swapped it with what I had planned for tomorrow - 5 easy miles. I ran by feel, ignoring the garmin, and am glad I did. 5.11 miles in 41:12, for an overall pace of 08:04 per mile.
Mile 1: 8:19
Mile 2: 8:13
Mile 3: 8:06
Mile 4: 7:54
Mile 5: 7:54
Last .11: 45 seconds

wtf - where did that come from? It felt easy - maybe my goal of a 1:44 half-marathon (8 minute miles) is a little soft....

[thedisneydad]

Well, I wussed out tonight. I was supposed to do speedwork, but I was just not feeling it, so I swapped it with what I had planned for tomorrow - 5 easy miles. I ran by feel, ignoring the garmin, and am glad I did. 5.11 miles in 41:12, for an overall pace of 08:04 per mile.
Mile 1: 8:19
Mile 2: 8:13
Mile 3: 8:06
Mile 4: 7:54
Mile 5: 7:54
Last .11: 45 seconds

wtf - where did that come from? It felt easy - maybe my goal of a 1:44 half-marathon (8 minute miles) is a little soft....

very nice. A 1:44 half is a great time! I'll be lucky to pull it off in 2 hours.

My calf tightened up quite a bit for the first time in a long time on monday. It's still kinda sore today. I didn't do anything different that I know of. I'll live, lol. I'll live with the fine fine aroma of tiger balm. :D

[mlandis]

Sounds like either a shoe issue, a muscle imbalance, or a camber issue. Do you have shoes you got from an actual running store? Do you run on a road that is cambered?

Yes to both questions. But here is the issue with the shoes.....I wear Addias and about a year ago switched styes. The reason, now don't yell at me, the ones I had the best luck with I was getting at an Outlet Mall. But they quit carrying them and I haven't been able to find them at any stores since.

I'm thinking of trying Nike or Mizzuno's. There is a great store called Second Sole in Medina, Oh that caters to runners. I'm sure they can fix me up with a good pair. I get my son's X/C shoes there and they are really knowledgable.

[snoack]

Did my "cross country" running last night before class.

Felt great. Ran a little over 2 miles out of a possible 2 1/2. Kind of pissed at myself today because I felt like I could have pushed harder then I did.

Discovered something about myself last night- I prefer running off track. That in mind, I'm thinking I'm going to start taking the majority of my running out on the road, starting tomorrow. Round trip from home to my son's school and back is 2.2 miles (I measured it this morning). Think I'm going to start working that distance and go with it from there.

[rpaul11]

Discovered something about myself last night- I prefer running off track.
.I think you will find that the case with most people. Running of a treadmill is the ultimate in Monontony. Running on a trac...sae surface, same view, over and over and over lap after lap after lap....unless of course you find the right person to run behind ;)

[cactusflower]

very nice. A 1:44 half is a great time! I'll be lucky to pull it off in 2 hours.

My calf tightened up quite a bit for the first time in a long time on monday. It's still kinda sore today. I didn't do anything different that I know of. I'll live, lol. I'll live with the fine fine aroma of tiger balm. :D
mmmmmm Tiger balm!

Yes to both questions. But here is the issue with the shoes.....I wear Addias and about a year ago switched styes. The reason, now don't yell at me, the ones I had the best luck with I was getting at an Outlet Mall. But they quit carrying them and I haven't been able to find them at any stores since.

I'm thinking of trying Nike or Mizzuno's. There is a great store called Second Sole in Medina, Oh that caters to runners. I'm sure they can fix me up with a good pair. I get my son's X/C shoes there and they are really knowledgable.
I found ASICS were awesome for running. I was wearing the Cumulus. If you go the The Running Room they will fit you according to your gait etc.

Did my "cross country" running last night before class.

Felt great. Ran a little over 2 miles out of a possible 2 1/2. Kind of pissed at myself today because I felt like I could have pushed harder then I did.

Discovered something about myself last night- I prefer running off track. That in mind, I'm thinking I'm going to start taking the majority of my running out on the road, starting tomorrow. Round trip from home to my son's school and back is 2.2 miles (I measured it this morning). Think I'm going to start working that distance and go with it from there.


.I think you will find that the case with most people. Running of a treadmill is the ultimate in Monontony. Running on a trac...sae surface, same view, over and over and over lap after lap after lap....unless of course you find the right person to run behind ;)

Funny right now I am doing all my running on the TM and I really like it for speedwork. I find on the TM I can really push myself. Besides I am too much of a wuss to run outside now. It has to be pretty warm for me to go out and do it. :)

[snoack]

.I think you will find that the case with most people. Running of a treadmill is the ultimate in Monontony. Running on a trac...sae surface, same view, over and over and over lap after lap after lap....unless of course you find the right person to run behind ;)

One of the things I noticed is that running off track I'm able to set up landmarks or targets...you know, make it to that tree, make it to that stop sign...stuff like that. Helps a lot in pushing myself.

[rpaul11]

Funny right now I am doing all my running on the TM and I really like it for speedwork. I find on the TM I can really push myself. Besides I am too much of a wuss to run outside now. It has to be pretty warm for me to go out and do it. :)

Generally speaking I always prefer to run outside. I understand what you mean about speedwork though as I am a terrible judge of my pace. Currently I am protesting winter and will only run outside when it is 40 degrees or warmer. But I've run outside as cold as 20 degrees this year when the roads were clear.

I am gonna try your speedwork drill tonight and see how I do.

[rpaul11]

One of the things I noticed is that running off track I'm able to set up landmarks or targets...you know, make it to that tree, make it to that stop sign...stuff like that. Helps a lot in pushing myself.

Understood. I distract myself more with....where am I gonna go after I reach this point....etc...etc....

[mlandis]

mmmmmm Tiger balm!

I found ASICS were awesome for running. I was wearing the Cumulus. If you go the The Running Room they will fit you according to your gait etc.




Funny right now I am doing all my running on the TM and I really like it for speedwork. I find on the TM I can really push myself. Besides I am too much of a wuss to run outside now. It has to be pretty warm for me to go out and do it. :)


I've never tried Asics. Iwill have to check them out.
Uggg I hate the TM. I get bored too quick. I know what you mean though, my running really suffers during winter. I know a girl that trained for a marathon during the winter. She ran 20 miles on the TM. I would go nuts!!!

[cactusflower]

One of the things I noticed is that running off track I'm able to set up landmarks or targets...you know, make it to that tree, make it to that stop sign...stuff like that. Helps a lot in pushing myself.
I have tried that too in the summer months .... but i also found it easier to stop if I felt like i was getting tired where on a TM I am more inclined to keep going. I usually will use the time as indicator of when to stop continue etc.

Generally speaking I always prefer to run outside. I understand what you mean about speedwork though as I am a terrible judge of my pace. Currently I am protesting winter and will only run outside when it is 40 degrees or warmer. But I've run outside as cold as 20 degrees this year when the roads were clear.

I am gonna try your speedwork drill tonight and see how I do.

DO IT! DO IT!

[rpaul11]

I've never tried Asics. Iwill have to check them out.
Uggg I hate the TM. I get bored too quick. I know what you mean though, my running really suffers during winter. I know a girl that trained for a marathon during the winter. She ran 20 miles on the TM. I would go nuts!!!

20 miles on a treadmill? :eek:

did I mention :eek:

OMG....I ran on the TM for an hr one time...after about 35 minutes my mind kept saying...are we there yet? are we there yet? :D

[thedisneydad]

I've never tried Asics. Iwill have to check them out.
Uggg I hate the TM. I get bored too quick. I know what you mean though, my running really suffers during winter. I know a girl that trained for a marathon during the winter. She ran 20 miles on the TM. I would go nuts!!!


20 miles on a treadmill? :eek:

did I mention :eek:

OMG....I ran on the TM for an hr one time...after about 35 minutes my mind kept saying...are we there yet? are we there yet? :D

I do mostly all of my training on the treadmill. Yeah, it is monotonous. I bring my dvd player, or they have the tv with satellite. I try not to rely on that so much, because I won't be able to use a tv for a race, lol. Still, after about an hour my mind is getting really restless. There's a mirror on the wall across the gym that I use to check my form while I run, so that helps some, but there's only so much I can stare at myself, lol.

When I run outside I can do my speedwork easily enough...I invested in a handheld GPS. I didn't go all out and spring for the wrist mounted forerunner by Garmin, cuz that was about two hundred more dollars than what I got, and finances being what they are...lol.

I recommend getting a GPS for anybody interested in running new routes, running in different cities, doing speedwork, or even trail running. I got mine for about $65 from Ebay. Great for cycling too...completely replaced my cycle computer. Only thing it doesn't do is measure heart rate. But my index finger on my left hand does that well enough, lol. :D

[rpaul11]

I do mostly all of my training on the treadmill. Yeah, it is monotonous. I bring my dvd player, or they have the tv with satellite. I try not to rely on that so much, because I won't be able to use a tv for a race, lol. Still, after about an hour my mind is getting really restless. There's a mirror on the wall across the gym that I use to check my form while I run, so that helps some, but there's only so much I can stare at myself, lol.

When I run outside I can do my speedwork easily enough...I invested in a handheld GPS. I didn't go all out and spring for the wrist mounted forerunner by Garmin, cuz that was about two hundred more dollars than what I got, and finances being what they are...lol.

I recommend getting a GPS for anybody interested in running new routes, running in different cities, doing speedwork, or even trail running. I got mine for about $65 from Ebay. Great for cycling too...completely replaced my cycle computer. Only thing it doesn't do is measure heart rate. But my index finger on my left hand does that well enough, lol. :D


what GPS do you have and how do you use it for running and cycling?

[mlandis]

I do mostly all of my training on the treadmill. Yeah, it is monotonous. I bring my dvd player, or they have the tv with satellite. I try not to rely on that so much, because I won't be able to use a tv for a race, lol. Still, after about an hour my mind is getting really restless. There's a mirror on the wall across the gym that I use to check my form while I run, so that helps some, but there's only so much I can stare at myself, lol.

When I run outside I can do my speedwork easily enough...I invested in a handheld GPS. I didn't go all out and spring for the wrist mounted forerunner by Garmin, cuz that was about two hundred more dollars than what I got, and finances being what they are...lol.

I recommend getting a GPS for anybody interested in running new routes, running in different cities, doing speedwork, or even trail running. I got mine for about $65 from Ebay. Great for cycling too...completely replaced my cycle computer. Only thing it doesn't do is measure heart rate. But my index finger on my left hand does that well enough, lol. :D


Thats good advice. I keep pretty much to known routes or I use USATF route mapper. http://www.usatf.org/routes/map/
I've been thinking of getting the chip that syncs up with my Ipod. It won't tell me where I'm at, but it should be pretty close to milage.

[thedisneydad]

what GPS do you have and how do you use it for running and cycling?

I use the Garmin Etrex Legend. I has a display that shows your current heading, approx by-the-foot accuracy, trip odometer, moving time, stopped time, total odometer, current speed, max speed, moving average speed, and overall average.

It has base maps of highways and interstate systems, and is upgradable to extremely detailed North American maps including all cities, points of interest, waysides, etc.

You can mark waypoints, find your way home, pick different routes, make track logs, even look for the best hunting and fishing spots if that's your thing. There are a few features that I never use like lunar phase calendar and area calculator and various others.
I got mine for $65 with shipping from ebay...BNIB.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/cf-lg.jpg
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/sc-01-lg.jpg
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/sc-02-lg.jpg
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/sc-03-lg.jpg
I'm part nerd, so this digi-stuff really keeps me grinning.
If you've got the money to spare, I'd suggest giving the Forerunner a look.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00467-00/en/cf-lg.jpg
it tracks pace, calories, time, distance, calories, etc. Also includes a heart rate strap to help with the HIT.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00467-00/en/sc-01-lg.jpg
You can find these for about $200 new. Less for used and more for the newer models, like the 405.
Damn, I feel like a company rep, hehe. Anyway, I've already had my money's worth out of my GPS.
There are also cycling specific GPS units that track pace, calories, cadence, etc.
Give them a look...they're a great assistance for your training...especially if you train solo like me. It's almost like having a training partner.

[rpaul11]

I use the Garmin Etrex Legend. I has a display that shows your current heading, approx by-the-foot accuracy, trip odometer, moving time, stopped time, total odometer, current speed, max speed, moving average speed, and overall average.

It has base maps of highways and interstate systems, and is upgradable to extremely detailed North American maps including all cities, points of interest, waysides, etc.

You can mark waypoints, find your way home, pick different routes, make track logs, even look for the best hunting and fishing spots if that's your thing. There are a few features that I never use like lunar phase calendar and area calculator and various others.
I got mine for $65 with shipping from ebay...BNIB.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/cf-lg.jpg
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/sc-01-lg.jpg
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/sc-02-lg.jpg
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00256-70/en/sc-03-lg.jpg
I'm part nerd, so this digi-stuff really keeps me grinning.
If you've got the money to spare, I'd suggest giving the Forerunner a look.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00467-00/en/cf-lg.jpg
it tracks pace, calories, time, distance, calories, etc. Also includes a heart rate strap to help with the HIT.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00467-00/en/sc-01-lg.jpg
You can find these for about $200 new. Less for used and more for the newer models, like the 405.
Damn, I feel like a company rep, hehe. Anyway, I've already had my money's worth out of my GPS.
There are also cycling specific GPS units that track pace, calories, cadence, etc.
Give them a look...they're a great assistance for your training...especially if you train solo like me. It's almost like having a training partner.

damn...and I thought I was high tech because my watch has a stopwatch feature :D

I am definitely not a techie.

[TraumaMamma]

I sit on my ass for a living, that's a given. 911 operators don't move much.

I came home and noticed my legs seem to be retaining some water, my ankle socks left an indent in my leg. I figured going home and sleeping with my body horizontal will redistribute the water.

I decided after a few wks of NOT getting on the scale I would today.

I gained 8 pounds!! What the hell is happening?

I am choosing my carbs wisely. I do not eat alot of bread or pasta. If I do, it is one slice of whole grain bread or one cup of whole grain pasta.

I eat a ton of salad, and get my protiens in too.

I do feel like my shirts are looser, but wondering where this weight is coming from? I do strenght train with Jillian on my days off on a DVD.

I need to cut back my BP meds again, but I need to actually get a home BP monitor to make sure things are ok. My HR is good, 70's at rest, and that was another thing I was on atenolol for, a rapid heart rate. So my tapering is doing ok, so far.

What should I eat and when should I eat it? I will start logging stuff today if anyone wants to look at my day and see where I am at.

It gets confusing for me as I am on nite shift. I wake at noon and am up till 600am. When I am off, it screws up my schedule. I will be back on afternoons next week, so I should have a bit more stability and better sleep.

I have Shift work Sleep disorder.

[snoack]

...having a conversation about running with a guy that I work with who used to run competatively. And...I'm starting to realize that I think I'm starting to reach the point where I'm becoming a little obsessed with running.

I'm actually thinking about getting out tonight and going for it on the road course I laid out for myself today. I have yet to run back-to-back days...but I'm seriously thinking about doing it today.

[dbx]

...having a conversation about running with a guy that I work with who used to run competatively. And...I'm starting to realize that I think I'm starting to reach the point where I'm becoming a little obsessed with running.

I'm actually thinking about getting out tonight and going for it on the road course I laid out for myself today. I have yet to run back-to-back days...but I'm seriously thinking about doing it today.

I tell ya, it's a sickness! :cool:

But you'll probably also find like I did...that the runs you keep dreaming about doing, and doing better....are always tougher than you envision :).

Cool, on the GPS, DisneyDad. I came close to buying the Garmin 305, but still think it's awkward, size-wise....even though I know it's a huge improvement in size over the one before it. And although I suck at pacing myself, If I run for say 40mins, I can be confident I've run at least 4 miles, and I actually run the same local routes that I already know distance on. Still, it's intriguing. I enjoy using my HRM.

Raining this morning...right as I literally stepped outside to run. Called it off and did a full body workout. 3PM...still overcast, but dry. I decide to run...step outside...and it starts raining. WTF? I just headed out anyway. It was nothing but light on/off drizzle anyway. I was only worried about getting the mp3 player wet (I'll use a baggy or something next time, just to be safe).

I ran the st 1.35 lap in 11 flat, which is very fast for me. It also made me stop on the second lap. Happens every time I overdo it :(. But I ended up doing a walk/run deal for the next two laps. Total time was still very good for me:

4 Miles
Time 37:21
Avg 157
Peak 175
Cals 684

That's 13 for the week so far, bitches! :D

[rpaul11]

That's 13 for the week so far, bitches! :D

well, you've outdone my 5miles :D

I have some intervals planned for either tonight or tommorow night. Whichever night I can make it to the gym.

[snoack]

Just got back in. 2.2 miles in 24 minutes (walked maybe a total of .10 miles in a couple short spurts). First half mile was uphill, had a couple other distances that were uphill as well (couple spots that were maybe a couple hundred yards each).

HUGE accomplishment for me to do this. Now, I feel like I can really start getting serious.

[dbx]

well, you've outdone my 5miles :D

I have some intervals planned for either tonight or tommorow night. Whichever night I can make it to the gym.

I haven't told anyone, but I'm actually on my second week of not lifting (well, I did do a full body w/o today). I haven't taken more than a week off ever, even after shoulder surgeries. I think I need the break, and I'm really feeling like I'm accomplishing something by burning fat (and yeah, muscle too) by running.


Just got back in. 2.2 miles in 24 minutes (walked maybe a total of .10 miles in a couple short spurts). First half mile was uphill, had a couple other distances that were uphill as well (couple spots that were maybe a couple hundred yards each).

HUGE accomplishment for me to do this. Now, I feel like I can really start getting serious.

That's excellent, Snoack! That's how the sickness starts :). Hey, just over 12min miles with some short walks in is pretty good, imho, especially considering where you are in the process. And hey, some people would be happy to be able to consistently run 11min miles, so...

That's one great thing about running; the very rapid improvement doesn't happen like this in most other athletic endeavors. You'll hit some walls, no doubt, but going from "zero to sixty", so to speak, is pretty cool.

[cactusflower]

Just got back in. 2.2 miles in 24 minutes (walked maybe a total of .10 miles in a couple short spurts). First half mile was uphill, had a couple other distances that were uphill as well (couple spots that were maybe a couple hundred yards each).

HUGE accomplishment for me to do this. Now, I feel like I can really start getting serious.

Way to go that's awesome!!!! :)

[rpaul11]

I haven't told anyone, but I'm actually on my second week of not lifting (well, I did do a full body w/o today). I haven't taken more than a week off ever, even after shoulder surgeries. I think I need the break, and I'm really feeling like I'm accomplishing something by burning fat (and yeah, muscle too) by running.



See, a few weeks back I took a week off from running as I was getting a little burned out. I found other forms of cardio...and did actually run 2 miles one day...but it was kinda good for the soul to take that break. Between heavy leg days and running 4 days a week my legs were taking a beating. So I know what you mean but in a different way...if that makes sense LOL

[dbx]

So I know what you mean but in a different way...if that makes sense LOL

Yep, know what you mean. I felt terribly weak lifting this morning too, but I don't give a **** right now :). And beside the rain, I knew I'd do some kind of weight workout, just to keep my comeback DOMS at a minimum :D

[rpaul11]

Yep, know what you mean. I felt terribly weak lifting this morning too, but I don't give a **** right now :). And beside the rain, I knew I'd do some kind of weight workout, just to keep my comeback DOMS at a minimum :D

right now I'm chomping at the bit to get my full release from the doc. I haven't been killing myself, but I've been working pretty decent with the weights and feel my strength coming back in most areas. I have a feeling that once I get the full go ahead, my running might get put on hold for a bit....but we'll see. Maybe if I find a good 5k to run it will keep me motivated to keep at the runs.

Lets be serious here...I'm not in this to be a bodybuilder, nor am I looking to be a competitive runner. I am in this to be healthy and to look good. As long as I acheive those goals I will be happy.

[snoack]

I haven't told anyone, but I'm actually on my second week of not lifting (well, I did do a full body w/o today). I haven't taken more than a week off ever, even after shoulder surgeries. I think I need the break, and I'm really feeling like I'm accomplishing something by burning fat (and yeah, muscle too) by running.



That's excellent, Snoack! That's how the sickness starts :). Hey, just over 12min miles with some short walks in is pretty good, imho, especially considering where you are in the process. And hey, some people would be happy to be able to consistently run 11min miles, so...

That's one great thing about running; the very rapid improvement doesn't happen like this in most other athletic endeavors. You'll hit some walls, no doubt, but going from "zero to sixty", so to speak, is pretty cool.

I'll tell ya...last night I was laying in bed thinking about how I couldn't wait to get out and run again. I thought back to the last time I was running regularly and what got me to the distances I was doing, and it wasn't running laps at the track, it was getting out and really pushing myself. If I can hit half the distance with regularity now that I was then I'll be happy. Very seriously doubt I'll get to that pace (back in the good old days I was running 5-8 5x weekly at just over a 6 minute pace). But, definitely, thanks for the support. Encouragement is huge, really helps a lot.


Way to go that's awesome!!!! :)

thanks a bunch! I'm feeling like I really accomplished something special today that's going to really change things for me.

[cactusflower]

right now I'm chomping at the bit to get my full release from the doc. I haven't been killing myself, but I've been working pretty decent with the weights and feel my strength coming back in most areas. I have a feeling that once I get the full go ahead, my running might get put on hold for a bit....but we'll see. Maybe if I find a good 5k to run it will keep me motivated to keep at the runs.

Lets be serious here...I'm not in this to be a bodybuilder, nor am I looking to be a competitive runner. I am in this to be healthy and to look good. As long as I acheive those goals I will be happy.
You just want the ladies to whistle at your legs ;)

I'll tell ya...last night I was laying in bed thinking about how I couldn't wait to get out and run again. I thought back to the last time I was running regularly and what got me to the distances I was doing, and it wasn't running laps at the track, it was getting out and really pushing myself. If I can hit half the distance with regularity now that I was then I'll be happy. Very seriously doubt I'll get to that pace (back in the good old days I was running 5-8 5x weekly at just over a 6 minute pace). But, definitely, thanks for the support. Encouragement is huge, really helps a lot.



thanks a bunch! I'm feeling like I really accomplished something special today that's going to really change things for me.

I know the feeling! You DID accomplish something special! :D

[cactusflower]

I sit on my ass for a living, that's a given. 911 operators don't move much.

I came home and noticed my legs seem to be retaining some water, my ankle socks left an indent in my leg. I figured going home and sleeping with my body horizontal will redistribute the water.

I decided after a few wks of NOT getting on the scale I would today.

I gained 8 pounds!! What the hell is happening?

I am choosing my carbs wisely. I do not eat alot of bread or pasta. If I do, it is one slice of whole grain bread or one cup of whole grain pasta.

I eat a ton of salad, and get my protiens in too.

I do feel like my shirts are looser, but wondering where this weight is coming from? I do strenght train with Jillian on my days off on a DVD.

I need to cut back my BP meds again, but I need to actually get a home BP monitor to make sure things are ok. My HR is good, 70's at rest, and that was another thing I was on atenolol for, a rapid heart rate. So my tapering is doing ok, so far.

What should I eat and when should I eat it? I will start logging stuff today if anyone wants to look at my day and see where I am at.

It gets confusing for me as I am on nite shift. I wake at noon and am up till 600am. When I am off, it screws up my schedule. I will be back on afternoons next week, so I should have a bit more stability and better sleep.

I have Shift work Sleep disorder.

Hey there...sounds like you are retaining water.

The 8 lbs could be partly water and possibly muscle that's why you shouldn't go by the scale alone.

The BP pills could be causing the weight gain...my dad is on one and he thought it was making him gain so now he moves more and watches his food intake.

What are you putting in your salads and what sort of dressing are you using and how much?

[dbx]

I have a feeling that once I get the full go ahead, my running might get put on hold for a bit....but we'll see. Maybe if I find a good 5k to run it will keep me motivated to keep at the runs.

And I would suggest that you do just that, chill on running...at least until you've gathered your strength back. I hate to keep explaining myself, so I'll skip the explanation :), but will say this; BBing and distance running are not very compatible.


Lets be serious here...I'm not in this to be a bodybuilder, nor am I looking to be a competitive runner. I am in this to be healthy and to look good. As long as I acheive those goals I will be happy.

Same here. I honestly figure that maybe half the guys here who think they're BBers....aren't at all. But then we get into that whole semantics thing. Exercise in general.....is my salvation.




The 8 lbs could be partly water and possibly muscle that's why you shouldn't go by the scale alone.

The BP pills could be causing the weight gain...my dad is on one and he thought it was making him gain so now he moves more and watches his food intake.

This ^ is probably largely responsible. And also remember; 1 gram of carb can bind 3g of water. IOW, if she even ate a huge piece of cake or something just the day before, it's enough to add 3-4lbs easy to my 180lb frame....and we're all different, so this can go up or down for each of us. Add salt/sodium to the mix, and voila!

[rpaul11]

And I would suggest that you do just that, chill on running...at least until you've gathered your strength back. I hate to keep explaining myself, so I'll skip the explanation :), but will say this; BBing and distance running are not very compatible.



yes...I realize this...but...being bullheaded I don't always do what is best and more what I want :)

[dbx]

yes...I realize this...but...being bullheaded I don't always do what is best and more what I want :)

Sorry, my intent wasn't aimed at you, but rather those who might come along and decide to dissect it from the conversation....as has been done may times before. Thus, my preemptive angst :)

[cactusflower]

right now I'm chomping at the bit to get my full release from the doc. I haven't been killing myself, but I've been working pretty decent with the weights and feel my strength coming back in most areas. I have a feeling that once I get the full go ahead, my running might get put on hold for a bit....but we'll see. Maybe if I find a good 5k to run it will keep me motivated to keep at the runs.

Lets be serious here...I'm not in this to be a bodybuilder, nor am I looking to be a competitive runner. I am in this to be healthy and to look good. As long as I acheive those goals I will be happy.

Hasn't an hour passed yet? lol

[rpaul11]

Sorry, my intent wasn't aimed at you, but rather those who might come along and decide to dissect it from the conversation....as has been done may times before. Thus, my preemptive angst :)
understood

Hasn't an hour passed yet? lol

yes...wife just got home...she is on daughter duty now...I'm leaving.

[cactusflower]

understood


yes...wife just got home...she is on daughter duty now...I'm leaving.

lol have fuuuuuun!

[dbx]

yes...wife just got home...she is on daughter duty now...I'm leaving.

Don't come back here posting some lame 2 mile ****, ya hear? :p

[cactusflower]

Don't come back here posting some lame 2 mile ****, ya hear? :p

lmao ... if he does "my" interval program i think it is just over 2 miles....hey rpaul...let me know what distance you get k?

[thedisneydad]

And I would suggest that you do just that, chill on running...at least until you've gathered your strength back. I hate to keep explaining myself, so I'll skip the explanation :), but will say this; BBing and distance running are not very compatible.



Same here. I honestly figure that maybe half the guys here who think they're BBers....aren't at all. But then we get into that whole semantics thing. Exercise in general.....is my salvation.



This ^ is probably largely responsible. And also remember; 1 gram of carb can bind 3g of water. IOW, if she even ate a huge piece of cake or something just the day before, it's enough to add 3-4lbs easy to my 180lb frame....and we're all different, so this can go up or down for each of us. Add salt/sodium to the mix, and voila!
True that. It's not uncommon for me to fluctuate as much as ten pounds from day to day depending upon sodium and carb intake. I hover in the 225-235lb range. Yep, Clydesdale here, lol.

Took today off from running. Not by choice. I decided to listen to my body for once. I sometimes run through the pain, since I'm so used to it. Today I ran about a half mile and it was all I could do to stay upright. The bottom of my left calf muscle is so tight that walking down my front steps is a chore. So, I'm going to take it easy on it until friday. I'll see what it'll let me do friday and put in a 5k or two next week. The 5th is my half marathon, and I sure don't want to go into it with an injury.

So sometimes when my body talks I have to listen. This time, my body was SCREAMING at me.

[dbx]

So sometimes when my body talks I have to listen. This time, my body was SCREAMING at me.

QFT! Take it easy until it's well.

[rpaul11]

lmao ... if he does "my" interval program i think it is just over 2 miles....hey rpaul...let me know what distance you get k?

it was about 1.7 miles. I have to say it was fun as the time passed quickly, but I really need a better challenge...can you post up the more advanced routine you have?

[TraumaMamma]

Hey there...sounds like you are retaining water.

The 8 lbs could be partly water and possibly muscle that's why you shouldn't go by the scale alone.

The BP pills could be causing the weight gain...my dad is on one and he thought it was making him gain so now he moves more and watches his food intake.

What are you putting in your salads and what sort of dressing are you using and how much?

My only true guilty pleasure is Ranch dressing.

BUT, I buy the seasoning (Hidden Valley) and I make it with skim milk and light mayo.

I use the 2 TBSPs for the salads. And honestly, my salad is about 3 cups of romaine, baby spinach, carrots, a few olives, cucumber, some grape tomatoes and purple onion. I make a huge bowl of that salad at least two times a week and hubby and I always have a huge salad to pick from for the next few days.

My BP meds I am working with the doctor to wean off. I was on 100mg and am now on 50. My heart rate is good and I don't feel like my BP is up, and when I have checked it, it has not been.

But, the BP meds have also kept me from getting to my target HR in working out as well. Which is another reason I want to get off them. I never had water retention issues before.

I hardly use salt. I used to use alot.

I did find out that I have been lifting more than I thought. We have the Bowflex weights and I thought I was doing 5 lbs each arm for toning. But you have to dial both sides of the bell to get them out. So I was actually doing 10 (not knowing) and today I went to 7.5 which means I had 15 in each hand.

For arnold presses, headbangers, pendulums, lunges, chest flys, etc. And it was hard, but not impossible. So, I am giving my upper body a shock.

Would muscles retain water?

[rpaul11]

I hardly use salt. I used to use alot.



Would muscles retain water?

keep in mind those salad dressings contain a bit of sodium...at least most of them. check out the package of the one you buy.

everything in the body retains some water....but muscle is more dense than fat so say you lose a pound of fat...then gain 2 lbs of muscle. You will weigh more but appear smaller.

[cactusflower]

it was about 1.7 miles. I have to say it was fun as the time passed quickly, but I really need a better challenge...can you post up the more advanced routine you have?
EXEUSEZ MOI Mr. ineedabetterchallenge :P But you are 6'4, i'm 5'4 lol I probably taking a few more steps than you do ... i;; PM you the advanced one.

keep in mind those salad dressings contain a bit of sodium...at least most of them. check out the package of the one you buy.

everything in the body retains some water....but muscle is more dense than fat so say you lose a pound of fat...then gain 2 lbs of muscle. You will weigh more but appear smaller.
^^^^
That's exactly what I was going to say. Look at the salt content in thelight mayo. You would be surprised how much salt is in things that you would never suspect. I would drink a lot more water too. Also, your urine colour is an indication of hydration. If it is dark yellow you are dehydrated. The paler it is the more hydrated you are. However if you are taking vitamins it will cause your urine to be bright yellow at first but will fade as the day goes on.

[rpaul11]

EXEUSEZ MOI Mr. ineedabetterchallenge :P But you are 6'4, i'm 5'4 lol I probably taking a few more steps than you do ... i;; PM you the advanced one.


I'm sorry if I sounded judgemental as that was not my intent :o I did enjoy the intervals and that is generally a good indication that one needs to exert oneself more. I am not here to criticize anybody's fitness level. I;m just saying for me it was not what I needed :)

[cactusflower]

I'm sorry if I sounded judgemental as that was not my intent :o I did enjoy the intervals and that is generally a good indication that one needs to exert oneself more. I am not here to criticize anybody's fitness level. I;m just saying for me it was not what I needed :)

lol I was kidding! I haven't run in quite a while so I am finding that first one a good challenge for me. I have done it 3 times - the first time I could not finish it. So I am making progress :). Keep in mind these intervals came from a women's fitness magazine. I honestly think because of our make up, a man can run with more ease than a woman doing the same thing. I also think leg length plays a role ;)

[runner05]

I honestly think because of our make up, a man can run with more ease than a woman doing the same thing. I also think leg length plays a role ;)

hehe... This is why I love you CF! :D You speak the truth... fortunately, women are always up for the challenge! ;) And, Rich, before you post "I'm carrying more weight than you...", I'm STILL on CF's side on this one! LOL

[cactusflower]

hehe... This is why I love you CF! :D You speak the truth... fortunately, women are always up for the challenge! ;) And, Rich, before you post "I'm carrying more weight than you...", I'm STILL on CF's side on this one! LOL

LOL WOO HOOO!!! :)

I say this though because I have seen actual proof of it. When I go to my police practices for instance and we do the shuttle run. There are some guys who try it, who are not physically active, but tall and they get through it no problem because they cover more distance faster simply because their legs are longer. It is at those times I wish I had long long legs :D

[rpaul11]

hehe... This is why I love you CF! :D You speak the truth... fortunately, women are always up for the challenge! ;) And, Rich, before you post "I'm carrying more weight than you...", I'm STILL on CF's side on this one! LOL


LOL WOO HOOO!!! :)

I say this though because I have seen actual proof of it. When I go to my police practices for instance and we do the shuttle run. There are some guys who try it, who are not physically active, but tall and they get through it no problem because they cover more distance faster simply because their legs are longer. It is at those times I wish I had long long legs :D

the two of you can make up all the excuses you want for your inadequacies. My damn long leg weighs as much as the two of you combined and I have to pick it up and move it every step...ever think of that? Huh? Huh? didja? :D

[runner05]

LOL WOO HOOO!!! :)

I say this though because I have seen actual proof of it. When I go to my police practices for instance and we do the shuttle run. There are some guys who try it, who are not physically active, but tall and they get through it no problem because they cover more distance faster simply because their legs are longer. It is at those times I wish I had long long legs :D

Yeah... but, w/ you, I'm in GOOD company! :D

[runner05]

the two of you can make up all the excuses you want for your inadequacies. My damn long leg weighs as much as the two of you combined and I have to pick it up and move it every step...ever think of that? Huh? Huh? didja? :D

:p :p :p

[cactusflower]

Yeah... but, w/ you, I'm in GOOD company! :D
This is sooo true :)

the two of you can make up all the excuses you want for your inadequacies. My damn long leg weighs as much as the two of you combined and I have to pick it up and move it every step...ever think of that? Huh? Huh? didja? :D

Pssssh...lame excuse!!! :p

[rpaul11]

This is sooo true :)


Pssssh...lame excuse!!! :p

indeed...it ranks right up there with "you have longer legs" :rolleyes:

[cactusflower]

indeed...it ranks right up there with "you have longer legs" :rolleyes:

:p :p :p

[dbx]

Thur 3/26/09

5.1 Miles Straight running
48:10
Avg 153
Peak 175
Cals 875

18.1 so far for the week! I'm set to set a new PR if I even run just another mile, so that's cool. Calves have felt sore all week. I've also been really digging deep down to make myself continue on, as I feel like I've had it after 2 laps (2.6 miles). I waited until the T-storms passed and the tornado watch was over before heading out (no, I'm not joking :D). It was drizzling for part of my run, but not bad. I turned my mp3 player under my arm to help protect it and kept going. Johnny Winter Live, playing Jumpin' Jack Flash actually coaxed me into hitting that last lap :).

[TraumaMamma]

LOL WOO HOOO!!! :)

I say this though because I have seen actual proof of it. When I go to my police practices for instance and we do the shuttle run. There are some guys who try it, who are not physically active, but tall and they get through it no problem because they cover more distance faster simply because their legs are longer. It is at those times I wish I had long long legs :D

I have longer legs and this has not been easy for me. :P

36" of em.

I will check the sodium levels on those things and see where I stand.

I do pee water already, I drink alot.

[cactusflower]

Happy Friday!!!! We may have a nice weekend here so I may do an outdoor run! :)

Does anyone else find it awkward running outside with earphones/headsets? For some reason if I have my iPod during an outdoor run, it is very uncomfortable for me. Inside runs I MUST have it.

I also find the first 2 minutes of an outdoor run are the hardest.

[rpaul11]

I also find the first 2 minutes of an outdoor run are the hardest.

when running outside it takes me 0.5 to 1 mile to get into a good rhythm...from there on out I can usually do pretty well for a few more miles before it becomes difficult again.

I prefer to ALWAYS have my music when I run.

[snoack]

Happy Friday!!!! We may have a nice weekend here so I may do an outdoor run! :)

Does anyone else find it awkward running outside with earphones/headsets? For some reason if I have my iPod during an outdoor run, it is very uncomfortable for me. Inside runs I MUST have it.

I also find the first 2 minutes of an outdoor run are the hardest.

I have clip on earphones, doesn't seem to make any difference to me, though I am going to try to make a point of running more with my MP3 player (going to charge it up and put a couple more CDs on it tonight)

...oh, and the first couple minutes of any run BLOWS...so I just move at a nice easy pace until I start to sweat. Then I can usually get into a good groove.

[cactusflower]

when running outside it takes me 0.5 to 1 mile to get into a good rhythm...from there on out I can usually do pretty well for a few more miles before it becomes difficult again.

I prefer to ALWAYS have my music when I run.

Good to know it's not just me! I will try again with running outside with music b/c i find it really helps indoors.

[rpaul11]

I had a GREAT run today. I got off work and the weather was downright beautiful. Slightly overcast to sunny, warm...but not real warm. I put on my shorts and shoes and set off to do 3 miles. As usual it took me about 1/2 mile to get going and by the turnaround point I was feeling really good so i continued to the 2 mile marker before turning back. Ran a total of 4 miles today in 32:54. thats an 8.25 mile pace. My 2nd two miles were actually a little faster than the first 2. Man that felt good. :)

[cactusflower]

I had a GREAT run today. I got off work and the weather was downright beautiful. Slightly overcast to sunny, warm...but not real warm. I put on my shorts and shoes and set off to do 3 miles. As usual it took me about 1/2 mile to get going and by the turnaround point I was feeling really good so i continued to the 2 mile marker before turning back. Ran a total of 4 miles today in 32:54. thats an 8.25 mile pace. My 2nd two miles were actually a little faster than the first 2. Man that felt good. :)

Wow..that is a GREAT run! Awesome pace and time!

[rpaul11]

Wow..that is a GREAT run! Awesome pace and time!

I am blessed to have two relatively flat courses to run near my house. It's much easier to get back into the swing of things when you don't have hills to climb. :)

Thanks for the kind words

[dbx]

I am blessed to have two relatively flat courses to run near my house. It's much easier to get back into the swing of things when you don't have hills to climb. :)

Good run for you! I had to wait for the T-Storms to pass, which was almost all day! Just got back from a short 2.7 mile run. This gives me...drum roll please...

......a total for the week of 20.7 miles, which is a new record for me. And I even have tomorrow to add to it. But man, I was feeling whipped today. My best friend came by and we had lunch together earlier. Maybe I didn't wait long enough to run, but... it's over!

[rpaul11]

Good run for you! I had to wait for the T-Storms to pass, which was almost all day! Just got back from a short 2.7 mile run. This gives me...drum roll please...

......a total for the week of 20.7 miles, which is a new record for me. And I even have tomorrow to add to it. But man, I was feeling whipped today. My best friend came by and we had lunch together earlier. Maybe I didn't wait long enough to run, but... it's over!

21 miles is a good week. Remind me again when you're running that 1/2? :D

The rain held off here all day. It is raining now. But tomorrow is a day of complete rest. :)

[dbx]

21 miles is a good week. Remind me again when you're running that 1/2? :D

The rain held off here all day. It is raining now. But tomorrow is a day of complete rest. :)

It might rain here tomorrow too. And my calves are freaking killing me this whole week. I have no idea what the deal is. Might just chill tomorrow too.

[rpaul11]

It might rain here tomorrow too. And my calves are freaking killing me this whole week. I have no idea what the deal is. Might just chill tomorrow too.

sounds like a good idea. eat well, stretch, relax...your legs will be feelin great by monday for another 21 miles.

[dbx]

sounds like a good idea. eat well, stretch, relax...your legs will be feelin great by monday for another 21 miles.

Yeah, I really shouldn't push it. And I always buy "junk food" for my boys when they come home on weekends. Today, I bought 2 apple pies and two 1/2gls of ice cream. And after a great spaghetti dinner (much needed carbs), I gladly took part in some pie and ice cream. The ice cream twice :D.

[rpaul11]

Yeah, I really shouldn't push it. And I always buy "junk food" for my boys when they come home on weekends. Today, I bought 2 apple pies and two 1/2gls of ice cream. And after a great spaghetti dinner (much needed carbs), I gladly took part in some pie and ice cream. The ice cream twice :D.

yeah...I need to watch it with pie and ice cream...those are the 2 sweet items I really crave. I could down 1/2 a pie and a quart of ice cream and not think twice :o

[snoack]

'Mornin' fellow plodders!

Laid out a new course last night and ran it this morning. 2.3 miles through a real nice neighborhood back behind where I live.

This one's a lot quieter then running on a couple major local throughways and doesn't start off with a half mile uphill.

Anyway, did it in 25 minutes this morning, just got in. Pretty pleased with myself for the most part. Ran it the whole way through with a sore hamstring ( did my circuit with squats last night, 5x155x15), but it actually loosened up pretty well when I got going.

[dbx]

'Mornin' fellow plodders!

Laid out a new course last night and ran it this morning. 2.3 miles through a real nice neighborhood back behind where I live.

This one's a lot quieter then running on a couple major local throughways and doesn't start off with a half mile uphill.

Anyway, did it in 25 minutes this morning, just got in. Pretty pleased with myself for the most part. Ran it the whole way through with a sore hamstring ( did my circuit with squats last night, 5x155x15), but it actually loosened up pretty well when I got going.

Good run. Sounds like you're ramping it up.

I almost forgot to make my entry today. After goading my 18yr old son last night, we ended up doing a combined jog/walk/sprints today....for a total of 4.6 Miles :).

Distance 4.6 Miles
Time 47:27
144/172
748

And the total for the week...a new PR....25.4 miles :cool:

Tomorrow is definitely a rest day!

[Muscle_Sliver]

Good run. Sounds like you're ramping it up.

I almost forgot to make my entry today. After goading my 18yr old son last night, we ended up doing a combined jog/walk/sprints today....for a total of 4.6 Miles :).

Distance 4.6 Miles
Time 47:27
144/172
748

And the total for the week...a new PR....25.4 miles :cool:

Tomorrow is definitely a rest day!

Good for you man!

Weather's taken a turn here and I'm back looking for a treadmill again.

[snoack]

Good run. Sounds like you're ramping it up.

I almost forgot to make my entry today. After goading my 18yr old son last night, we ended up doing a combined jog/walk/sprints today....for a total of 4.6 Miles :).

Distance 4.6 Miles
Time 47:27
144/172
748

And the total for the week...a new PR....25.4 miles :cool:

Tomorrow is definitely a rest day!

Yeah, I've gotten to the point now where I'm disciplined enough to know that once I'm warmed up it'll feel a lot better. Really loving it.

Going to take my son up to his school tomorrow and run some laps around the grounds with him. It's a half mile for one trip around, going to try to do at least 4, 5 if I feel it.

[cactusflower]

Morning...it is very rainy here boo!

Quick question...how often during the week you do guys and gals do interval runs? Generally how long do they last?

Thanks!!!! :D

[dbx]

Morning...it is very rainy here boo!

Quick question...how often during the week you do guys and gals do interval runs? Generally how long do they last?

Thanks!!!! :D

I try to do them at least once per week, but think twice would be even more beneficial. The ones I did yesterday spanned 4.6 miles and lasted approx 47 mins. This included an essential warm up mile first, and then intervals.

[cactusflower]

I try to do them at least once per week, but think twice would be even more beneficial. The ones I did yesterday spanned 4.6 miles and lasted approx 47 mins. This included an essential warm up mile first, and then intervals.

Thanks!!!! :)
ok so 2x per week how many days rest do you give yourself between them?How many of the other days do you do your long runs? I really want to improve my cardiovascular endurance but don't want to over train either.

[dbx]

Thanks!!!! :)
ok so 2x per week how many days rest do you give yourself between them?How many of the other days do you do your long runs? I really want to improve my cardiovascular endurance but don't want to over train either.

Honestly? I haven't got it all figured out yet :). I just kinda do what my body lets me do, but I also share the same concerns that you have about over training. But following logic and advice from DC training (lifting) concerning cardio, this leads me to believe that light running being great the day after a leg day...probably means a comfy pace run/jog would be just fine the day after interval training. And that...either order would be cool. In other words, you might do intervals on Mon, then light running Tue, and your choice of running Wed, etc... Or...light run Mon, intervals Tue, light running Wed, distance run Thurs.

But again, in all honesty, I haven't got it all figured out. I only know that running the same pace and distance consecutively isn't good. and to be brutally honest, I'm guilty of doing this! :)

[cactusflower]

Honestly? I haven't got it all figured out yet :). I just kinda do what my body lets me do, but I also share the same concerns that you have about over training. But following logic and advice from DC training (lifting) concerning cardio, this leads me to believe that light running being great the day after a leg day...probably means a comfy pace run/jog would be just fine the day after interval training. And that...either order would be cool. In other words, you might do intervals on Mon, then light running Tue, and your choice of running Wed, etc... Or...light run Mon, intervals Tue, light running Wed, distance run Thurs.

But again, in all honesty, I haven't got it all figured out. I only know that running the same pace and distance consecutively isn't good. and to be brutally honest, I'm guilty of doing this! :)

LOL yea...I have just recently started to REALLY interval train and it's good. I have heard that interval training should be done less than the longer, slower runs. So, I will try out the 2x per week therory and maybe do the long slow runs 2-3x. I guess if we listen to our body, we could figure it out. :)

[rpaul11]

I would think if you wanted to do intervals 2 times a week follow each one my a short to moderate length run and then one longer run you would be fine. But be aware of what your body is telling you of course.

[cactusflower]

I would think if you wanted to do intervals 2 times a week follow each one my a short to moderate length run and then one longer run you would be fine. But be aware of what your body is telling you of course.

Do you mean follow the interval run with one of the other runs on the same day or a different day?

[dbx]

Do you mean follow the interval run with one of the other runs on the same day or a different day?

That's his way of saying that what I told you sounds fine, but that he really has no idea. And that listening to your body is his disclaimer in case you hurt yourself and want to hold him in any way accountable :D

[cactusflower]

That's his way of saying that what I told you sounds fine, but that he really has no idea. And that listening to your body is his disclaimer in case you hurt yourself and want to hold him in any way accountable :D

ROFLMAO...thanks for clarifying lol

[rpaul11]

Do you mean follow the interval run with one of the other runs on the same day or a different day?

Follow the interval run on a different day :)

[cactusflower]

Follow the interval run on a different day :)

cool! :)

[snoack]

Morning...it is very rainy here boo!

Quick question...how often during the week you do guys and gals do interval runs? Generally how long do they last?

Thanks!!!! :D

Would you mind explaining what that is? I may want to look at it as a training option at some point down the road.

Another question-

since I'm a definite noob, am I better served just running the same distance until I get to where I can run it the whole way through before I stretch it out, or should I mix it up with different distances?

As for today, did 2.3. It was slow, plodding, and ugly(27 minutes). Got some chest congestion left over from a cold so my breathing was out of rythym somewhat today.

[cactusflower]

Would you mind explaining what that is? I may want to look at it as a training option at some point down the road.

Another question-

since I'm a definite noob, am I better served just running the same distance until I get to where I can run it the whole way through before I stretch it out, or should I mix it up with different distances?

As for today, did 2.3. It was slow, plodding, and ugly(27 minutes). Got some chest congestion left over from a cold so my breathing was out of rythym somewhat today.

Interval running is when you run at different speeds for different periods of time. Also called speed training. So if you were to run outside you could use say lamp posts as your markers. Sprint for two, then do an easy jog for 2. I have heard that when you first start running you should concentrate on time before speed and distance. Meaning, work your way up to running for a good 20 minutes non stop. Then start incorporating speed work. Another good place to look is runnersworld.com they have a forum with really helpful people! :)

[dbx]

As for today, did 2.3. It was slow, plodding, and ugly(27 minutes). Got some chest congestion left over from a cold so my breathing was out of rythym somewhat today.

2.3 ain't nothin' to sneeze at! Good progress, especially coming off a cold.


Interval running is when you run at different speeds for different periods of time. Also called speed training. So if you were to run outside you could use say lamp posts as your markers. Sprint for two, then do an easy jog for 2. I have heard that when you first start running you should concentrate on time before speed and distance. Meaning, work your way up to running for a good 20 minutes non stop. Then start incorporating speed work. Another good place to look is runnersworld.com they have a forum with really helpful people! :)

Good explanation. "Fartleks" is also another term for interval running. I think it's a Swiss term? Anyway, yeah...when me and my son were running intervals yesterday, the "marker" method is exactly what we used. Deferring to my age, lol, he let me be the one to call out the next mailbox or streetlight to start and stop at. We'd go from an all out sprint to a jog, but then pretty quickly would come to a fast walk. I'm shot after going all out, and find that catching my breath is all but impossible...even when jogging as slow as possible.

But the best part? For the last mile or so that we did this, my 18yr old was getting really whipped. And though my legs were getting tired and the fast blasts shortened a bit, I was actually feeling totally primed for doing another mile or so. Seriously, I like...got to this "peak" of warm-up or something. I was somewhat mystified, but I felt freaking fantastic.

[tazmanaf]

Hello all. Just droppin' in. Not a runner here, but really need to get going with it - Air Force PT Test is kicking my butt (as it always has with the run).

[Muscle_Sliver]

And though my legs were getting tired and the fast blasts shortened a bit, I was actually feeling totally primed for doing another mile or so. Seriously, I like...got to this "peak" of warm-up or something. I was somewhat mystified, but I felt freaking fantastic.

Runner's high? :D

[rpaul11]

. I'm shot after going all out, and find that catching my breath is all but impossible...even when jogging as slow as possible.



this may have to do with you recently quitting smoking also?

how about shorter sprints or maybe going 80% instead of all out?

regardless....you're doing it and will continue to get better/

[dbx]

this may have to do with you recently quitting smoking also?

Very well could be.


how about shorter sprints or maybe going 80% instead of all out?

regardless....you're doing it and will continue to get better/

And true on both counts. I mean, no doubt if I cut them shorter that I'd be able to jog longer. I'm also probably being overly critical of myself, as usual :o

[TraumaMamma]

Stride length.

So, I finished week 2 of the Couch 25K program. Hubby came down and saw me do some of the jogging part while he was working out.

He thought I should lengthen out my strides a bit, they looked too short for me.

To be honest, I probably could run like Sasquatch, my legs are 36" long.

Unbeknownst to him, before he came down I did try one of the intervals with a longer stride and immediately started to feel pain in my knee that I have dislocated twice. (My other knee I had a lateral release surgery and debridment in 2005)

http://www.sports-injury-info.com/lateral-release.html

I have ridiculously flat kneecaps which are prone to instabilty. I suspect at some point I may need surgery on the other and the recovery sucked for that surgery. Imagine your quad like jello and will not move. You have to retrain your whole leg with that.

So, I guess what I am asking is, I don't have to take longer strides, as it is more shock to the joints.

And maybe after I lose the last 30 pounds or so I want to, that it will be less impact on my joints and I can then lenghten my stride?

Shorter strides seem to work well for me with pain and tolerance and I am doing very well in the program. Each week I fear the new podcast and each week I finish it strong. I am even increasing the speed and incline a little.

[rpaul11]

Shorter strides seem to work well for me with pain and tolerance and I am doing very well in the program. Each week I fear the new podcast and each week I finish it strong. I am even increasing the speed and incline a little.

I think you answered your own question here. DO what feels good

[cactusflower]

I think you answered your own question here. DO what feels good

Yea I have to agree with this. If the shorter strides feel ok now then keep doing them. If after you have lost the weight you want you may just naturally lengthen your strides. Running is an evolution and unfortunately it is something that we can try to do too much of too soon - I am guilty of that!!! I think listening to your body is so key when running.

[snoack]

Running is an evolution and unfortunately it is something that we can try to do too much of too soon -

that's probably the single most important thing that I try to be aware of.

I have very specific goals that I want to reach, but I also understand that I have to move towards them at a sensible pace or I'll screw myself royally.

[cactusflower]

that's probably the single most important thing that I try to be aware of.

I have very specific goals that I want to reach, but I also understand that I have to move towards them at a sensible pace or I'll screw myself royally.

Yep and believe me I know how tough it can be to keep it as a progression. Do too much too soon and you're paying for it for your next few runs.

[dbx]

On stride; my son always told me to open up my stride more, and I believe his advice was wise. While I sometimes (hell, often :)) run slower when whipped, that slow pace...which = short stride .....will actually kill my hams. It will also beat all of your other legs joints up more. It may be harder to open our stride, but it's the right thing to do. At least, I believe what he told me...without an explanation that I can recall on his part...and have felt the real pain from not opening my stride. Probably worth looking up to get clarification and/or explanation. And with that....I am off to run :).

[snoack]

On stride; my son always told me to open up my stride more, and I believe his advice was wise. While I sometimes (hell, often :)) run slower when whipped, that slow pace...which = short stride .....will actually kill my hams. It will also beat all of your other legs joints up more. It may be harder to open our stride, but it's the right thing to do. At least, I believe what he told me...without an explanation that I can recall on his part...and have felt the real pain from not opening my stride. Probably worth looking up to get clarification and/or explanation. And with that....I am off to run :).

hmm, may give that a try next time out (tomorrow), see how it feels. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[dbx]

hmm, may give that a try next time out (tomorrow), see how it feels. I know exactly what you're talking about.

Yep. I'll be damned if those strained, slow, agonizing "push-though the pain", "old man steps" kinda runs don't end up hurting much more. The aftermath, that is. Go out there and run wide open (when possible, of course) and sure, you'll be sore the next day (big time :)), but your hams won't feel like they're tightened up so bad. I think it's more natural just not to want to gasp for air...rather than to breath more comfortably and take shorter steps.

Anyway....... I got a late start today, but just got back from running. After last week's new PR of 25+ total miles, I didn't want to start off low today. But damn it, it just never seems to get easier :eek:. Nevertheless....I made it happen. 4 straight and then 1.3 walk/.sprint/run combo for 5.3 total. What a way to end it after running 4, eh? :)

Total distance - 5.3 Miles
Total time - 52:00 (ran 2.7 in 24:30, 3.1 @ 27+, and 4 miles in 36:40)
Avg 155
Peak 175
Cals 937

Edit: I copied the stats from one of last weeks run, but corrected them above (scrap paper notes. Whaddyagonnado? :))

Go get em' ....... :cool:

[TraumaMamma]

On stride; my son always told me to open up my stride more, and I believe his advice was wise. While I sometimes (hell, often :)) run slower when whipped, that slow pace...which = short stride .....will actually kill my hams. It will also beat all of your other legs joints up more. It may be harder to open our stride, but it's the right thing to do. At least, I believe what he told me...without an explanation that I can recall on his part...and have felt the real pain from not opening my stride. Probably worth looking up to get clarification and/or explanation. And with that....I am off to run :).

Maybe I will be able to someday, but my right knee was complaining after two wks of no pain at a short 90 seconds of trying it. Given that my knee is not tracking properly on that leg and I am not up for another surgery, I have to do it comfortably.

I have found that proper stretching after a 5 min warm up and stretching afterwards leaves me in no pain at all. Not even my hammy anymore, but I wasn't stretching prior or afterwards much.

When the extra weight falls off, perhaps I can, it will be less impact on that joint.

I will have to see where I evolve. I am not doing incredibly short strides at all. Maybe my hubby thinks I should be running like Sasquatch given my leg length.

I gotta video myself to see now!! ;)

[dbx]

Maybe I will be able to someday, but my right knee was complaining after two wks of no pain at a short 90 seconds of trying it. Given that my knee is not tracking properly on that leg and I am not up for another surgery, I have to do it comfortably.

Oh, definitely...don't do it if it hurts! I thought it was just a comfort issue.


I have found that proper stretching after a 5 min warm up and stretching afterwards leaves me in no pain at all. Not even my hammy anymore, but I wasn't stretching prior or afterwards much.

Stretching afterward is absolutely crucial to prevent future injuries, and to ease soreness after. But I also find some leg soreness to be like DOMS from lifting in that, sometimes there's no rhyme or reason to it.


When the extra weight falls off, perhaps I can, it will be less impact on that joint.

Yep, that should make a big difference!


I'm going to try to get in a run here shortly, as I have a busy day ahead.

[dbx]

Tue 3/31/09

Got 4 miles in, the hard way. Felt fatigued and actually shut down to a walk at about the 2mi mark. I just kept going with walking/jogging/running and completed two more laps.

4 Miles
39:50
148/168 (the fact that I didn't get over 168 shows fatigue for me)
cals 660

A good day to all........

[snoack]

Tue 3/31/09

Got 4 miles in, the hard way. Felt fatigued and actually shut down to a walk at about the 2mi mark. I just kept going with walking/jogging/running and completed two more laps.

4 Miles
39:50
148/168 (the fact that I didn't get over 168 shows fatigue for me)
cals 660

A good day to all........

sometimes it's enough that the spirit's willing, even when you can't get the flesh to perform.

Going to try opening up my stride sometonight, see if I can develop a rythym with it. Tonight is my pre-class "cross country" run, good time for it.

[cactusflower]

Morning guys! I tried a different interval last night on the TM. Inlcine was at 2. Started at 4.5 for 2min then increased speed by .5 every minute...only got to 7mph. I also realized that when I am not calm (upset/mad etc) I can lose my breathe very quickly. Does this happen to you? This is what was happening to me last night. :mad:

[rpaul11]

morning Runners.

Just wanted to make a small announcement that after this week, my training will be changing. WIth new goals on the horizon my runs will be very few and far between. I'll try to poke my head in from time to time to give some support, but just a FYI...I'll be going AWOL on ya for a bit. When I get back to running again...I surely know where to find you :)

[dbx]

Going to try opening up my stride sometonight, see if I can develop a rythym with it. Tonight is my pre-class "cross country" run, good time for it.

Just remember that opening up your stride means using your lings more, so you might want to do try to keep in "slightly" increased, if you know what I mean. If you don't you'll gas quick.


Does this happen to you? This is what was happening to me last night. :mad:

Yes. My worst runs are when I've got something weighing on my mind. And now with mp3, I can feel whipped and a good song comes on that inspires me to push harder and makes me feel better. Definitely a mental factor here.


morning Runners.

Just wanted to make a small announcement that after this week, my training will be changing. WIth new goals on the horizon my runs will be very few and far between. I'll try to poke my head in from time to time to give some support, but just a FYI...I'll be going AWOL on ya for a bit. When I get back to running again...I surely know where to find you :)

Does this mean you're actually going to lift weights now? :p :D

J/k, as I even suggested this was what you needed for a bit. This is so ironic; I'm on week #3 without lifting (minus one FB w/o) and probably won't lift this week either. Before now, this would have been unthinkable. I couldn't stand to take more than maybe 4 days off after a 12-15wk blast. Couldn't stand NOT lifting. Now? I don't miss it a bit. I guess I have a lot going on atm, and it just feels good to be able to live without it for a minute :). Of course, the running fills the void.

[rpaul11]

Does this mean you're actually going to lift weights now? :p :D

J/k, as I even suggested this was what you needed for a bit. This is so ironic; I'm on week #3 without lifting (minus one FB w/o) and probably won't lift this week either. Before now, this would have been unthinkable. I couldn't stand to take more than maybe 4 days off after a 12-15wk blast. Couldn't stand NOT lifting. Now? I don't miss it a bit. I guess I have a lot going on atm, and it just feels good to be able to live without it for a minute :). Of course, the running fills the void.

well, if you want an explanation....I feel completely whipped lately. I am tired, ravenously hungry, and am having trouble focusing during my workouts. I have been in a calorie deficit or just barely hitting maintenance for about 14 months now. Something needs to change. I've come a long way with my weight loss, but as we talked about last week...my strength needs to come back after my surgery and the running is using a lot of calories. Yes I could just eat a lot more, but not running is cheaper than buying more food at the moment. I am going to finish off this weeks workouts and runs as planned. Next week I am going to do a deload session on my weight routine and not run at all. Then I will get back to the weights heavy the following week, try to up my cals about 200 per day and see how things go from there.

[snoack]

All right guys, need you to all get behind me and push. Just found out that there's a 5k right in my backyard the first weekend in June (when I already had another one that I was looking at). I'm online, filling out the registration form, and I'm at the point where I need to process the registration.

Need you guys to give me a collective kick in the ass here...

[snoack]

https://www.active.com/register/confirmation.cfm?orderId=39400616-033109084733&offer=no

my first race, so psyched. I'm very familiar with the area so I can go run it a few times before the race to get the feel of it.

[cactusflower]

https://www.active.com/register/confirmation.cfm?orderId=39400616-033109084733&offer=no

my first race, so psyched. I'm very familiar with the area so I can go run it a few times before the race to get the feel of it.

Awesome! I ran a 5k in '04 - my tume was 28 something. Was fun!

[dbx]

11:47


All right guys, need you to all get behind me and push. Just found out that there's a 5k right in my backyard the first weekend in June (when I already had another one that I was looking at). I'm online, filling out the registration form, and I'm at the point where I need to process the registration.

Need you guys to give me a collective kick in the ass here...

12:13


Did it!

https://www.active.com/register/confirmation.cfm?orderId=39400616-033109084733&offer=no

my first race, so psyched. I'm very familiar with the area so I can go run it a few times before the race to get the feel of it.

Gotta love the impatience :D. But hell, I'd called you a wuss if you were actually waiting on use to prod you! :)

Excellent! It's a scary, but great feeling doing the very first. At least you used to run a lot. ****, my son talked me into it with me never having run...EVER....and 90 days or so until the annual 5K he'd run in for years. It all works out....... Glad you took the plunge!

Now...get your ass out there and run!!!

[snoack]

11:47



12:13



Gotta love the impatience :D. But hell, I'd called you a wuss if you were actually waiting on use to prod you! :)

Excellent! It's a scary, but great feeling doing the very first. At least you used to run a lot. ****, my son talked me into it with me never having run...EVER....and 90 days or so until the annual 5K he'd run in for years. It all works out....... Glad you took the plunge!

Now...get your ass out there and run!!!

I figured you would have! :D

did a shorter run tonigh before TKD class, but did 1.6 miles in 14 minutes. Good, strong pace.

I'm psyched, want to see if I can get to 5 miles before the race. That means doubling my distance in 2 months, but I've made pretty good progress the last 4 weeks so I think I can do it.

[dbx]

I figured you would have! :D

did a shorter run tonigh before TKD class, but did 1.6 miles in 14 minutes. Good, strong pace.

Excellent time, especially compared to previous outings. My biggest problem was/is that if I run too strong in the first mile....I'm screwed. I cannot slow down adequately to recover...I have to stop to walk! This happened in my second 5K...3 times (well, the 1st time caused it all...never recovered from it). It's a fine balance to find what general pace you can push...and keep up fairly consistently over 3 miles.


I'm psyched, want to see if I can get to 5 miles before the race. That means doubling my distance in 2 months, but I've made pretty good progress the last 4 weeks so I think I can do it.

I hear ya. You should be able to meet that goal easily enough. I hit 5.2 miles (a PR that stood for more yrs, lol) a week or two before the race. I'd only been running for a few months, and that just felt...awesome! But while my overall pace is better now, I still can't seem to find control over pacing, damn it. EVene walking 3x during my 2nd/last 5K, I only missed my 1st run time by like, 12 seconds! That says a lot. I'm looking forward to "the" annual one in Oct again, as I'll be there!

Let us know your progress each run. Fartleks (or interval training) is key to building up VO2 levels quickly. You will see.

[TraumaMamma]

All right guys, need you to all get behind me and push. Just found out that there's a 5k right in my backyard the first weekend in June (when I already had another one that I was looking at). I'm online, filling out the registration form, and I'm at the point where I need to process the registration.

Need you guys to give me a collective kick in the ass here...

Congrats! :D

I am shooting for the end of June for my first 5K.

W3D1 of C25k was very challenging for me, today.

New running shoes, I was messing with my stride thanks to the seed that was planted in my head from hubby (I ended up changing back to what worked for me), reading up on how many breaths per stride I should do and trying to do that as well, and the start of an ear/sinus infection that I got diagnosed with today made it hard to do.

Those two three minute runs kicked my ass.

But, I did it. I didn't want to quit. I mean, I *wanted* to quit, but I would have been mad at myself for quitting.

Next workout I am just getting into my own groove, like before. No need to make this harder than it is.

I love the podcast I use, the music helps keep me motivated for sure.

[Bando]

Just ran for the 1st time since the holidays (Damn it's April already?) 3 miles in 33 minutes. 1st 5K of the season is April 26, don't know that I'll be back to 26:00 but I'll be glad to be back into racing. Got some running juices flowing through me now, feels pretty darn good.

[cactusflower]

Just ran for the 1st time since the holidays (Damn it's April already?) 3 miles in 33 minutes. 1st 5K of the season is April 26, don't know that I'll be back to 26:00 but I'll be glad to be back into racing. Got some running juices flowing through me now, feels pretty darn good.

Wow that's still pretty good! If you are not at 26:00 you will be very close.

I did not run last night...taking tonight off from the gym entirely then will go back tomorrow and do intervals again.

[dbx]

Just ran for the 1st time since the holidays (Damn it's April already?) 3 miles in 33 minutes. 1st 5K of the season is April 26, don't know that I'll be back to 26:00 but I'll be glad to be back into racing. Got some running juices flowing through me now, feels pretty darn good.

11 min miles ain't bad at all after taking so much time off. Now, get to running!


I keep setting the bar higher for myself. First, I had an 18mi week, and then a 25.4 mile week. I'd like to beat 25.4 this week, which would be the 3rd consecutive week increase/PR.

Today, I ran the 4.4 outside the hood course that's pretty tough for me. And then, I did a .6 loop to make it an even 5 miles. My time surprised me:

5 Miles
44:40 (8:56 pace!...which is freakin' awesome for that distance for me)
156/177
813

It was a killer, but some great tunes kept me at it. I really thought I was intentionally heading out pretty slow with that "save your strength" attitude needed for a long run, but again, I suck at guessing my own pace.

Note: I just checked my record and see that I've run the 4.4 mile portion of this route in just under 40mins before (39:50 & 39:38 to be exact), so I guess I've run this pace twice before, give or take a few seconds. I just never calculated it.

Anyway, I'm kickin' ass with 14.3 miles and 3 running days left :)

[cactusflower]

11 min miles ain't bad at all after taking so much time off. Now, get to running!


I keep setting the bar higher for myself. First, I had an 18mi week, and then a 25.4 mile week. I'd like to beat 25.4 this week, which would be the 3rd consecutive week increase/PR.

Today, I ran the 4.4 outside the hood course that's pretty tough for me. And then, I did a .6 loop to make it an even 5 miles. My time surprised me:

5 Miles
44:40 (8:56 pace!...which is freakin' awesome for that distance for me)
156/177
813

It was a killer, but some great tunes kept me at it. I really thought I was intentionally heading out pretty slow with that "save your strength" attitude needed for a long run, but again, I suck at guessing my own pace.

Note: I just checked my record and see that I've run the 4.4 mile portion of this route in just under 40mins before (39:50 & 39:38 to be exact), so I guess I've run this pace twice before, give or take a few seconds. I just never calculated it.

Anyway, I'm kickin' ass with 14.3 miles and 3 running days left :)


That is awesome!!!! :)

[snoack]

I just upped my frequency to running 4x weekly.

I've got some pain in my shoulder today, it's been an off and on thing for the last few weeks. I'm wondering if maybe I should take a break from lifting and put extra focus into running, maybe up it to 5x weekly. Would also give me a chance to squeeze in some more MA training as well.

Right now, I'm thinking maybe a couple weeks, see how it goes. Any advice or opinions?

[dbx]

I just upped my frequency to running 4x weekly.

I've got some pain in my shoulder today, it's been an off and on thing for the last few weeks. I'm wondering if maybe I should take a break from lifting and put extra focus into running, maybe up it to 5x weekly. Would also give me a chance to squeeze in some more MA training as well.

Right now, I'm thinking maybe a couple weeks, see how it goes. Any advice or opinions?

Well, nobody can give you a "get out of school" card. Only you can know what might be right for you. As previously mentioned, I'm in wk #3 of not lifting...and enjoying it. My commitment to lifting has not waned at all. I'm just happy that I'm actually not freaking going insane from not doing it :).

If your shoulder is bothering you, then don't work it. But OTOH, I know what that's like...and I always worked around it. The reason I'm doing what I'm doing is this simple; unfinished fat burning that I've never been satisfied with. And a welcomed extended break after 3.5yrs without ever taking more than a week off, and usually only 3-4 days after long programs. The weights will still be there waiting for me. And I'm not one of those anal idiots who thinks he'll lose all his mass if he takes a break. Nor do I care if I have significant strength losses, because they come back quickly.

Decide what's right for you.

[snoack]

Well, nobody can give you a "get out of school" card. Only you can know what might be right for you. As previously mentioned, I'm in wk #3 of not lifting...and enjoying it. My commitment to lifting has not waned at all. I'm just happy that I'm actually not freaking going insane from not doing it :).

If your shoulder is bothering you, then don't work it. But OTOH, I know what that's like...and I always worked around it. The reason I'm doing what I'm doing is this simple; unfinished fat burning that I've never been satisfied with. And a welcomed extended break after 3.5yrs without ever taking more than a week off, and usually only 3-4 days after long programs. The weights will still be there waiting for me. And I'm not one of those anal idiots who thinks he'll lose all his mass if he takes a break. Nor do I care if I have significant strength losses, because they come back quickly.

Decide what's right for you.

This is why I like talking to you, you're logical and you always make me think about what I'm doing.

I'm a lot like you in that I'll keep pushing, regardless of how I may feel. I've got a couple years plus in at this point of lifting without a real break, so I'm sure it won't kill me. It's just the seperation anxiety that I'm concerned about, but I'm sure I'll get past that easily enough because I have plenty to keep me occupied. My boy is begging to do some running with me, and I really want him to focus more on that now then anything else.

[dbx]

My boy is begging to do some running with me

End of discussion. A decision has been reached :cool:

There is no time in the world like spending time with one of your children.

[rpaul11]

End of discussion. A decision has been reached :cool:

There is no time in the world like spending time with one of your children.

agreed.

and BTW snoak...congrats on signing up for the 5k...you'll have a great time.

[Bando]

5 Miles
44:40 (8:56 pace!...which is freakin' awesome for that distance for me)

Wow, that is impressive. It was kind of a fluke that I ran today, been sick and weights on Monday made me sicker, so I figured I would be ok on the treadmill.

[snoack]

End of discussion. A decision has been reached :cool:

There is no time in the world like spending time with one of your children.


agreed.

and BTW snoak...congrats on signing up for the 5k...you'll have a great time.


yeah, this will give me an opportunity to get out with him a couple times a week and build him up.

[rpaul11]

yeah, this will give me an opportunity to get out with him a couple times a week and build him up.

if you don't mind me asking...how old is he?

[dbx]

yeah, this will give me an opportunity to get out with him a couple times a week and build him up.

No, no, no..... :rolleyes:

This will give you the opportunity to get out with him a couple times a week and bond with him! The "building up" part is secondary! ;)

[snoack]

No, no, no..... :rolleyes:

This will give you the opportunity to get out with him a couple times a week and bond with him! The "building up" part is secondary! ;)

touche'

[dbx]

I forgot to add this last night; I was kinda stir crazy and decided to run again at around 7PM. Managed 3.3 miles.

Distance 3.3
Time 31:09
155/172
558

It was somewhat nervous energy. Sometimes this isn't a good thing :eek:

I'm waiting for the rain to stop and hope to do some intervals today.

[dbx]

Thursday 4/2/09

I feel like I'm possessed. I go run another 3+ last night after running 5 earlier, and then I was going to just do some sprint/walks today, but I ran straight much further than I planned. 4 miles straight...and then 2.7 miles of sprint/run/walks. Actually, it was more like run/walk....as I didn't have the strength for sprints...and the hams felt tight. Anyway, it felt like an awesome workout.

Distance 6.7 Miles
Time 109:56
147/168
1144! (time to adjust down another 2lbs on HRM! :))

And....I now have 24.3 Miles for the week, making it look like I'll easily beat last week's PR of 25 miles, with 2 days to go! I very well may take a rest day tomorrow....if I can allow myself to chill :eek:

[cactusflower]

Took last night off...going back tonight...going to do intervals again did them Monday so I have had plenty of recovery time.

Lookin forward to another kick ass workout!!! :D

[snoack]

Thursday 4/2/09

I feel like I'm possessed. I go run another 3+ last night after running 5 earlier, and then I was going to just do some sprint/walks today, but I ran straight much further than I planned. 4 miles straight...and then 2.7 miles of sprint/run/walks. Actually, it was more like run/walk....as I didn't have the strength for sprints...and the hams felt tight. Anyway, it felt like an awesome workout.

Distance 6.7 Miles
Time 109:56
147/168
1144! (time to adjust down another 2lbs on HRM! :))

And....I now have 24.3 Miles for the week, making it look like I'll easily beat last week's PR of 25 miles, with 2 days to go! I very well may take a rest day tomorrow....if I can allow myself to chill :eek:

first of all, amazing work. Hope to get to that point in the not to distant furture myself.

As far as resting...you know damn well you're not going to allow that to happen :D

[dbx]

first of all, amazing work. Hope to get to that point in the not to distant furture myself.

Thanks. And it will come soon enough. You know, even last year when 2 miles would tax the hell out of me, I still went a couple of weeks doing dbl sessions (2 in the morning, 2 late afternoon). So I guess I'm saying... I'm an obsessed and driven person. Not always a good thing! But the distance has certainly crept up on me, as I never would have dreamed I could manage what I've been managing.


As far as resting...you know damn well you're not going to allow that to happen :D

Man, my legs are killing me right now, so we'll have to see :). I had a sharo pain under my left kneecap last night only 3/4mi into the run. I kinda "limped" it off, if you know what I mean. Thankfully, it went away....mostly. I felt it again today, but not as sharp. I think it's the downhill portions that caused it. You know, like you're trying to catch your breath and enjoy the downhill part, and make the mistake of "breaking" (it's the down portion of the steep incline hill I bitch about :)). It kinda locks your knees up if you break like that. My oldest son used to scold me when he first got me started running, saying, "Most people make the mistake of not running down a hill." And he's probably right. But if I'm really taxed (and I was) just throwing your legs out to make it down the hill doesn't seem to allow me ample recovery.

[runner05]

And....I now have 24.3 Miles for the week, making it look like I'll easily beat last week's PR of 25 miles, with 2 days to go! I very well may take a rest day tomorrow....if I can allow myself to chill :eek:
VERY nice Kevin! :) You've officially become ADDICTED!!! :eek: :p hehe

Lookin forward to another kick ass workout!!! :D
Go CF GO!!! *hugs*

I had a sharo pain under my left kneecap last night only 3/4mi into the run. I kinda "limped" it off, if you know what I mean. Thankfully, it went away....mostly.
Yep... the true sign of a runner... running off the pain... :) not that is a very smart idea, hun! :D

[snoack]

Took my stop watch out with me to check my pace. Did 2 miles in just under 19 minutes (18:56 to be exact).

Wanted to see how hard I could push tonight, so I walked a half mile to rest up and then ran another 1/2 mile just to see what I could do. Ran that half in 4:18, including the last ~40 yards at a full sprint.

The bug took a big ol' bite out of my ass tonight! :D

[mlandis]

I found ASICS were awesome for running. I was wearing the Cumulus. If you go the The Running Room they will fit you according to your gait etc.



I'm not familiar with The Running Room but thanks, I have a 1/2 marathon on April 4th. My current shoes will be about milaged out by then so I'll start shopping around. I have another 1/2 in May then after that nothing but 5 and 10ks till Late Sept.