Over 35 Runners Thread *Serious*

[thepainter5]

Wow, a 1/2 marathon, eh? Very cool, Rod. I can't even imagine running more than maybe 10 (and I've never run more than 7!). But if you managed over 6miles without having run for a while, you should do just fine in 14wks.

Thanks, that is what I am working for.:D

As far as running any distance farther than you have there is a trick to it. Enter into a santioned run and then just find a woman with a nice backside, who looks like she can run and follow her. If she runs to fast, or you pass her, find the next woman who has a great backside and repeat. This technique really works and is practiced by both men and women. Right ladies? :)

[rpaul11]

Wow, a 1/2 marathon, eh? Very cool, Rod. I can't even imagine running more than maybe 10 (and I've never run more than 7!). But if you managed over 6miles without having run for a while, you should do just fine in 14wks.

Agreed. Running over 8 miles is something I can't even fathom right now. :D

[spring85sigma]

Hope the week has gotten off to a good start for everyone! Yesterday, I ran 2 miles and almost got it under 16 minutes (16:11). Today I ran 3.2 miles in 24:14. Have a great week of workouts everyone!

[rpaul11]

Hope the week has gotten off to a good start for everyone! Yesterday, I ran 2 miles and almost got it under 16 minutes (16:11). Today I ran 3.2 miles in 24:14. Have a great week of workouts everyone!

you are right there flirting with that 8 min mile. You need to bear down and show that stopwatch who's boss :)


I did a quick run last night. 2 miles. 10 min pace. Wanted to do 3 but my head was not in the game because of "life" issues.

I'm in a better mindset today and I will be heading to the gym tonight. I have 2 possible scenarios. I'm either gonna do 30 mins at a 7.5 mph pace, or 45 mins at 6 mph. have not decided yet

[spring85sigma]

you are right there flirting with that 8 min mile. You need to bear down and show that stopwatch who's boss :)


I did a quick run last night. 2 miles. 10 min pace. Wanted to do 3 but my head was not in the game because of "life" issues.

I'm in a better mindset today and I will be heading to the gym tonight. I have 2 possible scenarios. I'm either gonna do 30 mins at a 7.5 mph pace, or 45 mins at 6 mph. have not decided yet

I guess that's why I'm somewhat frustrated. The 3 mile run is not a problem, consistently under 24 minutes (7 something mile). That's why I asked the question about pacing the other week. The two runs are totally "different" for me. I will see what happens today. 2 mile run today.

Hope your life issues are not too serious and that you have a good run today.

[rpaul11]

I guess that's why I'm somewhat frustrated. The 3 mile run is not a problem, consistently under 24 minutes (7 something mile). That's why I asked the question about pacing the other week. The two runs are totally "different" for me. I will see what happens today. 2 mile run today.

Hope your life issues are not too serious and that you have a good run today.

You'll get it figgured out. Its funny though....when it comes race time...your speed will increase a little just due to adrenaline. You will be in the low 7's I bet

Nothing serious on the life issues...just a temporary annoyance :)

[runner05]

You'll get it figgured out. Its funny though....when it comes race time...your speed will increase a little just due to adrenaline. You will be in the low 7's I bet


QFT! It always works this way for me!

Gee, Rich... I hope I'm not the "annoyance"! :p

[rpaul11]

QFT! It always works this way for me!

Gee, Rich... I hope I'm not the "annoyance"! :p

how would you be the annoyance? :confused:

[runner05]

how would you be the annoyance? :confused:

Oohh... you never know.. We women can do most anything to annoy men... ;)

[rpaul11]

Oohh... you never know.. We women can do most anything to annoy men... ;)

You have a point...but you are far from an annoyance :) Its just an "issue" I have to deal with...not realy a person per say

[runner05]

You have a point...but you are far from an annoyance :) Its just an "issue" I have to deal with...not realy a person per say

OK then... you sound far too serious... must be quite the issue... :p Just giving you a hard time, you know! ;)

How's the arm doing? Are you back to doing everything you were doing?

[rpaul11]

OK then... you sound far too serious... must be quite the issue... :p Just giving you a hard time, you know! ;)

How's the arm doing? Are you back to doing everything you were doing?

yeah...it's just a PITA is all...but I'm fine. :)

Arm is progressing, but there is an inflamation issue in one of my elbow tendons (not the one operated on). Just a minor setback. Too much too quick maybe. PT is tonight. I can live life for the most part with no issues, but I don't have release to workout yet. no more than 15 lbs with the let arm in a curling motion right now.

[spring85sigma]

Today is cold and wet, plus I didn't sleep well last night! LOL! :D But I got my 2 mile under 16 minutes finally. Not much...15:44, but I will take it! Thanks for the encouragement! :)

[runner05]

Today is cold and wet, plus I didn't sleep well last night! LOL! :D But I got my 2 mile under 16 minutes finally. Not much...15:44, but I will take it! Thanks for the encouragement! :)

Woo Hoo!!! That is AWESOME! :D *hugs*

[rpaul11]

Woo Hoo!!! That is AWESOME! :D *hugs*

x2 minus the hug :D

[rpaul11]

damn what a run. 45 mins for 5.1 miles Varying speeds between 6 and 7 mph.

Felt good...except for the lady next to me talking so loud on her cell phone I basically had to ask her to STFU so I could hear my ipod :rolleyes:

[runner05]

damn what a run. 45 mins for 5.1 miles Varying speeds between 6 and 7 mph.

Felt good...except for the lady next to me talking so loud on her cell phone I basically had to ask her to STFU so I could hear my ipod :rolleyes:

Cell phones should be banned from the wo area in gyms! :(

[dbx]

damn what a run. 45 mins for 5.1 miles Varying speeds between 6 and 7 mph.

Excellent pace. Almost seems like you'd have to be at 7 the majority of that run to do it in 45mins. I'm usually 5mins slower for that distance (somewhat intentional for fat burning purposes), but that included my approx 3 to 4 .10 walks/rests. I usually use 6.7 as the avg speed.


After my workout this morning, I went to run outdoors. When I started out, it was misting. After 100yrds...it was raining :mad:. I decided to turn around and did maybe a total 1/3rd mi.. I used my broken TM to walk on for 25mins at 3.8spd. Gotta get a new one....


Cell phones should be banned from the wo area in gyms! :(

And from cars. But don't get me started :D

[Hibiscus09]

Just dropping in to say hi y'all. ;)

I failed miserably at running, but I'm okay with it. :D

I hope you guys are doing great with your running!

I agree about the cell phones and the gym. They finally stopped letting people bring them into the bathroom at my gym -- but they sure use them in other areas and jabber non-stop on cardio equipment. :rolleyes:

Happy Wednesday!!

[thepainter5]

damn what a run. 45 mins for 5.1 miles Varying speeds between 6 and 7 mph.......


Excellent pace. Almost seems like you'd have to be at 7 the majority of that run to do it in 45mins. .....
After my workout this morning, I went to run outdoors. When I started out, it was misting. After 100yrds...it was raining :mad:. I decided to turn around and did maybe a total 1/3rd mi...........

Perhaps Canadian math is different but 5x6=30, 5x7=35 and 5x9=45 minutes. Don't shoot the messenger.:)

dbx, not trying to be mean but rain stopped you from running???:p
Maybe the weather where you live is different from our west coast rain because if we never ran in the rain, we wouldn't be able to train for long distances.

Speaking of distance running, Runner05, how is your training going for you half this May?

[rpaul11]

Excellent pace. Almost seems like you'd have to be at 7 the majority of that run to do it in 45mins. I'm usually 5mins slower for that distance (somewhat intentional for fat burning purposes), but that included my approx 3 to 4 .10 walks/rests. I usually use 6.7 as the avg speed.

yes...the majority at 7 mph and only like 5 mins at 6 mph.

sucks bout the rain


Perhaps Canadian math is different but 5x6=30, 5x7=35 and 5x9=45 minutes. Don't shoot the messenger.:)


I am talking MPH 9 mph is a 8.5 min mile give or take.


Speaking of distance running, Runner05, how is your training going for you half this May?


yeah...how's that coming :)

[dbx]

dbx, not trying to be mean but rain stopped you from running???:p
Maybe the weather where you live is different from our west coast rain because if we never ran in the rain, we wouldn't be able to train for long distances.

Since your math skills are lacking, I'll take it easy on you :D. The #1 reason I turned around today is because of the shoes I was wearing. They're the pair that I've been wearing for regular/workout shoes for a whole now, but they're Aasics and are good for running too (even though I have a better pair of Aasics). I simply didn't want them to get soaked. Other than that, I wouldn't have minded. Tomorrow is an actual cardio day for me. I just wanted to get in 20-25mins of PWO cardio today.

[runner05]

Just dropping in to say hi y'all. ;)

I failed miserably at running, but I'm okay with it.
Happy Wednesday!!
Morning, hun!! :) Come by anytime!!!

Speaking of distance running, Runner05, how is your training going for you half this May?


yeah...how's that coming :)
:rolleyes: It's coming... I'm still just running shorter distances for now and working at taking off the bf I accumulated over the winter. :( Like last year, I probably won't put on the bigger miles... 6-7 and more until after Feb is done... :) Then... full bore into heavy training.

Since your math skills are lacking, I'll take it easy on you :D. The #1 reason I turned around today is because of the shoes I was wearing. They're the pair that I've been wearing for regular/workout shoes for a whole now, but they're Aasics and are good for running too (even though I have a better pair of Aasics). I simply didn't want them to get soaked. Other than that, I wouldn't have minded. Tomorrow is an actual cardio day for me. I just wanted to get in 20-25mins of PWO cardio today.

Do NOT ruin the running shoes!!! :eek: They are a precious commodity!

[thepainter5]

....I am talking MPH 9 mph is a 8.5 min mile give or take.




yeah...how's that coming :)Okay, you're talking mph's and I was thinking minutes per mile. I think it's nap time for me. http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x122/victory_red_SS/GIFS/bandagesmiley.gif


Since your math skills are lacking, I'll take it easy on you :D. The #1 reason I turned around today is because of the shoes I was wearing. They're the pair that I've been wearing for regular/workout shoes for a whole now, but they're Aasics and are good for running too (even though I have a better pair of Aasics). I simply didn't want them to get soaked. Other than that, I wouldn't have minded. Tomorrow is an actual cardio day for me. I just wanted to get in 20-25mins of PWO cardio today.Soggy shoes suck especially if they are good ones. ;)


.... It's coming... I'm still just running shorter distances for now and working at taking off the bf I accumulated over the winter. :( Like last year, I probably won't put on the bigger miles... 6-7 and more until after Feb is done... :) Then... full bore into heavy training.


Do NOT ruin the running shoes!!! :eek: They are a precious commodity!
Well then it sounds like you have a plan and that is half the battle. :)

[runner05]

Well then it sounds like you have a plan and that is half the battle. :)
I do... nothing fancy - just my own... but I want to improve upon last year's a bit. And, as long as I can train w/o an injury, I will accomplish that much! :o hehe

[thepainter5]

I do... nothing fancy - just my own... but I want to improve upon last year's a bit. And, as long as I can train w/o an injury, I will accomplish that much! :o hehe

Seeing as you have already ran a half before and want to improve on your time, take a look at this site (it's free) for a schedule to get some ideas/help on squeezing a lower number out of yourself. :)
http://www.halhigdon.com/halfmarathon/inter.htm

[runner05]

Seeing as you have already ran a half before and want to improve on your time, take a look at this site (it's free) for a schedule to get some ideas/help on squeezing a lower number out of yourself. :)
http://www.halhigdon.com/halfmarathon/inter.htm

Thanks! Pretty darn similar to my schedule, except that I run more miles... probably 'cuz I'm truly more in this for endurance than I am for speed. I also have three strengthening or WO days rather than the two listed, although on leg day I usually just run the 1 mile up to the gym, do my WO, and then run the 1 mile back home, so the running on that day is very minimal. :)

[thepainter5]

Thanks! Pretty darn similar to my schedule, except that I run more miles... probably 'cuz I'm truly more in this for endurance than I am for speed. I also have three strengthening or WO days rather than the two listed, although on leg day I usually just run the 1 mile up to the gym, do my WO, and then run the 1 mile back home, so the running on that day is very minimal. :)

Funny, that plan sounds a bit more than "nothing fancy". :D
It seems like the advanced program would be more suited to you or even the marathon one. ;)

[runner05]

Funny, that plan sounds a bit more than "nothing fancy". :D
It seems like the advanced program would be more suited to you or even the marathon one. ;)

Someday perhaps...

Actually... If this half goes well, I'm hoping to just use it as a spring board for a full this fall... :D

[dbx]

Since the TM is kinda "broken" I just walked at 3.8 & 3.9 for 2.95 miles...total of 45mins this morning. At least I can use it for that (and no, it's not just the belt, etc.... I need a new TM), and I have to lean forward to simulate an incline to keep the belt and/or motor from slipping. But it works.

[runner05]

Since the TM is kinda "broken" I just walked at 3.8 & 3.9 for 2.95 miles...total of 45mins this morning. At least I can use it for that (and no, it's not just the belt, etc.... I need a new TM), and I have to lean forward to simulate an incline to keep the belt and/or motor from slipping. But it works.

OK... Get a new TM already, dammit!!! (How's that for tuff luvin?! LOL)

[dbx]

OK... Get a new TM already, dammit!!! (How's that for tuff luvin?! LOL)

You are starting to really get the hang of this tough love thing :cool:

[runner05]

You are starting to really get the hang of this tough love thing :cool:

You give me lots of practice! ;)

[rpaul11]

Since the TM is kinda "broken" I just walked at 3.8 & 3.9 for 2.95 miles...total of 45mins this morning. At least I can use it for that (and no, it's not just the belt, etc.... I need a new TM), and I have to lean forward to simulate an incline to keep the belt and/or motor from slipping. But it works.

do you not have a street outside? :p


any excuse not to run :D

[runner05]

do you not have a street outside? :p


any excuse not to run :D

You wouldn't dare run on my icy streets! :eek:

[rpaul11]

You wouldn't dare run on my icy streets! :eek:

I'm sure the streets in GA are a lttle less icy than yours :D

[dbx]

any excuse not to run :D

Nah, it was kinda of a timing issue this morning. I always run on an Off Day in a fasted state, and I had to take one pet to the vet at 9AM. Yeah, it was below freezing here this morning, but I prefer not to run while half the neighborhood is leaving for work, and I'm sure my daughter would appreciated that fact as her bus comes around in the same time frame :D.

[runner05]

Nah, it was kinda of a timing issue this morning. I always run on an Off Day in a fasted state, and I had to take one pet to the vet at 9AM. Yeah, it was below freezing here this morning, but I prefer not to run while half the neighborhood is leaving for work, and I'm sure my daughter would appreciated that fact as her bus comes around in the same time frame :D.

Oh the "embarassing dad" nightmare!! :D LOL

[dbx]

Oh the "embarassing dad" nightmare!! :D LOL

Hey, I look out for my kids :cool: :D

Actually, she's just at "that age" (16), but either son (18 & 20) will run with me....whenever. They think I'm pretty cool....for an old guy :).

[runner05]

Hey, I look out for my kids :cool: :D

Actually, she's just at "that age" (16), but either son (18 & 20) will run with me....whenever. They think I'm pretty cool....for an old guy :).

hehe My boys (22 & 25) are also OK w/ me now... except that their friends give them a lot of flack about me... :o

However, my daughter (13) thinks I'm a total GEEK... and utterly embarassing for the most part! :D I love it!

[dbx]

hehe My boys (22 & 25) are also OK w/ me now... except that their friends give them a lot of flack about me... :o

However, my daughter (13) thinks I'm a total GEEK... and utterly embarassing for the most part! :D I love it!

You know, in all seriousness, I might be underestimating my daughter. I took her to a local Taco Bell for dinner the other night (just me and her, like I do once in a while) and there were a bunch of "after-school" kids there. I actually asked her if it was embarrassing for her to be seen with me and she said, "No, not unless you start doing something weird or something" :D. And she laughed at a table full of boys who she knew, saying they were all geeky (not saying to them, just to me :)). So, I guess none of my kids are like that. Man, I know I was when I was that age.

[rpaul11]

hehe My boys (22 & 25) are also OK w/ me now... except that their friends give them a lot of flack about me... :o

However, my daughter (13) thinks I'm a total GEEK... and utterly embarassing for the most part! :D I love it!

My daughter is still at the age where she thiks Dad is pretty cool...unless I ask for a hug of a kiss and her friends are around :(

[runner05]

You know, in all seriousness, I might be underestimating my daughter. I took her to a local Taco Bell for dinner the other night (just me and her, like I do once in a while) and there were a bunch of "after-school" kids there. I actually asked her if it was embarrassing for her to be seen with me and she said, "No, not unless you start doing something weird or something" :D. And she laughed at a table full of boys who she knew, saying they were all geeky (not saying to them, just to me :)). So, I guess none of my kids are like that. Man, I know I was when I was that age.


My daughter is still at the age where she thiks Dad is pretty cool...unless I ask for a hug of a kiss and her friends are around :(

OK... It might be the "doing something weird" thing... 'cuz I have no issue dancing on the coffee table w/ her friends if the mood strikes me and they ask me to join them... :o Actually, she just laughs and sometimes joins in as well! :)

[rpaul11]

OK... It might be the "doing something weird" thing... 'cuz I have no issue dancing on the coffee table w/ her friends if the mood strikes me and they ask me to join them... :o Actually, she just laughs and sometimes joins in as well! :)

I don't think my coffee table would stand me dancing on it :D

[runner05]

I don't think my coffee table would stand me dancing on it :D

LBM has actually had to tighten up the legs on mine! :o LOL

[rpaul11]

LBM has actually had to tighten up the legs on mine! :o LOL

I think the wood on mine would pretty much splinter :D

[runner05]

I think the wood on mine would pretty much splinter :D

You need a better coffee table!!! :p

[rpaul11]

You need a better coffee table!!! :p

maybe weighing less than 200 lbs would help :D

[runner05]

maybe weighing less than 200 lbs would help :D

umm... usually, there's three that dance on mine at a time... :o LOL

[Skidmarx]

4 miles this evening. Damn that was hard. I need to stop slacking and get back on a running schedule. :(

[Pretty Hardcore]

A friend from worked is running a half marathon and June and she wants me to run it with her. Oh boy, I haven't ran much at all in over a year, so we'll see how this goes. At this point, I'll just be happy to finish.

We will be running three miles tomorrow, yikes, I hope I can make it. :)

[thepainter5]

A friend from worked is running a half marathon and June and she wants me to run it with her. Oh boy, I haven't ran much at all in over a year, so we'll see how this goes. At this point, I'll just be happy to finish.

We will be running three miles tomorrow, yikes, I hope I can make it. :)

Good luck with your run tomorrow. Just start off at a slower pace and give your body some time to adjust to running again.
If you start training now, a half in June is totally realistic. :D

[Pretty Hardcore]

Good luck with your run tomorrow. Just start off at a slower pace and give your body some time to adjust to running again.
If you start training now, a half in June is totally realistic. :D

Slow is the plan, we're both just getting back into running, she's been out with a hamstring injury and I've been focusing more on lifting.

I think June is realistic, and I'm not trying to win the thing. It is a good excuse to dust off my running shoes though. :)

[thepainter5]

Slow is the plan, we're both just getting back into running, she's been out with a hamstring injury and I've been focusing more on lifting.

I think June is realistic, and I'm not trying to win the thing. It is a good excuse to dust off my running shoes though. :)

Sounds like you are on the right track. Keep posting on your progress. :)

[dbx]

Slow is the plan, we're both just getting back into running, she's been out with a hamstring injury and I've been focusing more on lifting.

I think June is realistic, and I'm not trying to win the thing. It is a good excuse to dust off my running shoes though. :)

If you've done that kind of long distance before (the 1/2 M), it'll come back to you easily by June. I'm still astounded by how fast distance can be built up by beginners in running. Take some BCAAs before and after your run tomorrow, and be sure to stretch! :).

[Pretty Hardcore]

Sounds like you are on the right track. Keep posting on your progress. :)

I sure will, thanks. :)


If you've done that kind of long distance before (the 1/2 M), it'll come back to you easily by June. I'm still astounded by how fast distance can be built up by beginners in running. Take some BCAAs before and after your run tomorrow, and be sure to stretch! :).

I have, I ran the half twice before a couple of years ago, I've never been a fast runner, but I love long/slow distance.

Thanks, that's a great idea, I'll take some BCAA's and stretch.

[rpaul11]

A friend from worked is running a half marathon and June and she wants me to run it with her. Oh boy, I haven't ran much at all in over a year, so we'll see how this goes. At this point, I'll just be happy to finish.

We will be running three miles tomorrow, yikes, I hope I can make it. :)

good luck. I know painter, and runner05 are both training for 1/2 's The three of you can surely share strategy :)

[runner05]

A friend from worked is running a half marathon and June and she wants me to run it with her. Oh boy, I haven't ran much at all in over a year, so we'll see how this goes. At this point, I'll just be happy to finish.

We will be running three miles tomorrow, yikes, I hope I can make it. :)
You will be fine!!! I'm excited for you! Good luck!

Good luck with your run tomorrow. Just start off at a slower pace and give your body some time to adjust to running again.
If you start training now, a half in June is totally realistic. :D
Good points!

If you've done that kind of long distance before (the 1/2 M), it'll come back to you easily by June. I'm still astounded by how fast distance can be built up by beginners in running. Take some BCAAs before and after your run tomorrow, and be sure to stretch! :).
BCAA's are essential for my training, so I totally agree w/ dbx also, of course! ;)

I just wish I could get outside and off the darn TM! :(

[dbx]

...., so I totally agree w/ dbx also, of course! ;)


You're damn right, you do! :cool:

[runner05]

You're damn right, you do! :cool:

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Well... in this instance anyway... ;)

[dbx]

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/thumbsup.gif

Well... in this instance anyway... ;)

:p :p :p

[dbx]

I did just a little over 3 miles on an outdoor run this morning, in a low 30's temp. It felt good. I even came in and speed walked a mile on the TM immediately after.

Unrelated O/T news; my 18yr old son has his first "unofficial" boxing match last Fri., and I finally got to see a recording of it last night (he does MMA & Boxing, but this was strictly boxing). He was up against a guy who has fought several times before, and my son had watched him KO his last opponent in the 1st round just weeks ago. So, my son was nervous, needless to say. Well, he TKO'd this guy early in the 3rd round (a scheduled 3, 2min round fight). The guy was getting a standing 10 count and told the ref he'd had enough :D. I was really proud of my son, and he looked like the more experienced boxer. He never backed off at all, and in fact, just kept coming at the guy even harder the more aggressive the other guy tried to get. There's once where it's clear the his opponent was "out on his feet". My son bloodied him pretty badly. Anyway, just being a proud dad :)

[Pretty Hardcore]

good luck. I know painter, and runner05 are both training for 1/2 's The three of you can surely share strategy :)

That would be great. I've never ran and lifted while trying to improve both simultaneously, so this should be interesting.


You will be fine!!! I'm excited for you! Good luck!

Thank you, should be fun. I am looking to hear about your training too.


I just wish I could get outside and off the darn TM! :(

The weather here is in the mid 40's, perfect outside running weather. I hope it warms up for you soon.

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My first run in forever, went well. My friend and I ran during our lunch hour at a park near where we work. The weather was a perfect, in mid 40's, but a little windy. We went slow, probably around an 11 min mile, I felt a little pain in my shins that went up to the inside of my knee, but it went away after a few minutes. Afterwards, I stretched and took some BCAA's (thanks DBX).

Today, I noticed that my outer hips and ITB feel a little tight, I also did deads last night, so I'm not sure if the pain is from running or the deads, or both, but I've been stretching today.
I'm also going to the running store to pick up a new pair of running shoes, I realized that my old shoes are around 3 years old.

[rpaul11]

Today, I noticed that my outer hips and ITB feel a little tight, I also did deads last night, so I'm not sure if the pain is from running or the deads, or both, but I've been stretching today.
I'm also going to the running store to pick up a new pair of running shoes, I realized that my old shoes are around 3 years old.

I was having some hip issues when I started running last year. A good pair of shoes really helped...plus stretching.

[Bando]

Unrelated O/T news; my 18yr old son has his first "unofficial" boxing match last Fri., and I finally got to see a recording of it last night (he does MMA & Boxing, but this was strictly boxing). He was up against a guy who has fought several times before, and my son had watched him KO his last opponent in the 1st round just weeks ago. So, my son was nervous, needless to say. Well, he TKO'd this guy early in the 3rd round (a scheduled 3, 2min round fight). The guy was getting a standing 10 count and told the ref he'd had enough :D. I was really proud of my son, and he looked like the more experienced boxer. He never backed off at all, and in fact, just kept coming at the guy even harder the more aggressive the other guy tried to get. There's once where it's clear the his opponent was "out on his feet". My son bloodied him pretty badly. Anyway, just being a proud dad :)

Congrats man that's great. I'm working through my Rocky DVD box set that I got for Christmas. As a BB'er I love all the training scenes, the fights are just icing on the cake. Sweet bloody black and blue swollen cake. :D

[runner05]

I did just a little over 3 miles on an outdoor run this morning, in a low 30's temp. It felt good. I even came in and speed walked a mile on the TM immediately after.

Unrelated O/T news; my 18yr old son has his first "unofficial" boxing match last Fri., and I finally got to see a recording of it last night (he does MMA & Boxing, but this was strictly boxing). He was up against a guy who has fought several times before, and my son had watched him KO his last opponent in the 1st round just weeks ago. So, my son was nervous, needless to say. Well, he TKO'd this guy early in the 3rd round (a scheduled 3, 2min round fight). The guy was getting a standing 10 count and told the ref he'd had enough :D. I was really proud of my son, and he looked like the more experienced boxer. He never backed off at all, and in fact, just kept coming at the guy even harder the more aggressive the other guy tried to get. There's once where it's clear the his opponent was "out on his feet". My son bloodied him pretty badly. Anyway, just being a proud dad :)
That's awesome, Kevin! You SHOULD be proud! :) I love those stories!!! Thx for sharing it w/ us. *hugs*

I was having some hip issues when I started running last year. A good pair of shoes really helped...plus stretching.
QFT! Good running shoes are absolutely CRUCIAL!

Congrats man that's great. I'm working through my Rocky DVD box set that I got for Christmas. As a BB'er I love all the training scenes, the fights are just icing on the cake. Sweet bloody black and blue swollen cake. :D
LOL Hey, Bando! How goes it?!

[mightybody]

i heard supplements for rookies www.mightybody.com/s4r is selling copies because it gives the right info...

[mightybody]

i heard it helps. from " supplements for rookies www.mightybody.com/s4r " zma fuel enhances energy? dunno

[MuscleSouth]

I have a question, what is a good time to jog a mile in?

I'm still fairly new to running but I am starting to time them and I was curious.

[rpaul11]

I have a question, what is a good time to jog a mile in?

I'm still fairly new to running but I am starting to time them and I was curious.

if you are just starting. Just try to jog through a solid mile then start concerning youself with time. a 10 min mile is a decent pace that many regular joggers can handle. Once you hit 10 and start shaving down from that time you are doing better....once you get under 8 or 7 min miles you are doing VERY well.

[MuscleSouth]

if you are just starting. Just try to jog through a solid mile then start concerning youself with time. a 10 min mile is a decent pace that many regular joggers can handle. Once you hit 10 and start shaving down from that time you are doing better....once you get under 8 or 7 min miles you are doing VERY well.

I have been running for about a month and I made a 9 minute mile yesterday.

I feel like I can do a lot better if I push it though.

[dbx]

I have a question, what is a good time to jog a mile in?

I'm still fairly new to running but I am starting to time them and I was curious.

The answer is: whatever you can manage to jog a mile in :)

But answering based on what you're probably looking for: 10-13 minutes is probably a decent time. The 3 minute variance might cover faster runners as well as slower one. I've run a single mile in about 6:30, but I can't continue after that. So, a pace of ten minutes might be considered jogging to me, but it sure feels like running when I'm trying to complete 3-4 miles :). Oh, and to give you an idea, 15min mile is a brisk walking speed for most.

[dbx]

That's awesome, Kevin! You SHOULD be proud! :) I love those stories!!! Thx for sharing it w/ us. *hugs*

Thanks sweetie ;). Btw, I posted a thread in this forum that has the video of his fight....just in case you want to watch it...or not :D.


Ah, just finished 57mins of fast walking (3.8) on the TM. I just finished 12wks of a workout program, and I'm taking a break this week. Still not sure what I'm going to do. Might lift light, might just do cardio all week, might mix it up. We'll see.

[runner05]

I have been running for about a month and I made a 9 minute mile yesterday.

I feel like I can do a lot better if I push it though.
You only compete against yourself! :) That's what running about for the most part! Well... it is for me. If you do a 9min mile easily... then either increase the time of that mile or increase the number of miles you run! And, good luck!

The answer is: whatever you can manage to jog a mile in :)

But answering based on what you're probably looking for: 10-13 minutes is probably a decent time. The 3 minute variance might cover faster runners as well as slower one. I've run a single mile in about 6:30, but I can't continue after that. So, a pace of ten minutes might be considered jogging to me, but it sure feels like running when I'm trying to complete 3-4 miles :). Oh, and to give you an idea, 15min mile is a brisk walking speed for most.

Excellent points!
Time in running "a mile" is very different than time in running "mileS"... :D
For me, it's mileS and endurance that matters most. But... many prefer the speed. To each his/her own!

[MuscleSouth]

Thanks everybody, I appreciate it. I'll keep you all posted on the progress.


Runner I was going to PM you but thought I would just post it here.

[runner05]

Thanks everybody, I appreciate it. I'll keep you all posted on the progress.


Runner I was going to PM you but thought I would just post it here.

I like to see you here... but, of course you can also PM me anytime. :)

[MuscleSouth]

I like to see you here... but, of course you can also PM me anytime. :)

I'm kind of quiet these days I'll have to tell you about it.

But I'm training hard and doing great. You and Den are always in my prayers.

[runner05]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=282874261#post282874261

Here it is... Help keep me in line ALL!! :)

[Ophus]

I have a question, what is a good time to jog a mile in?

I'm still fairly new to running but I am starting to time them and I was curious.

The best thing I ever did to get me running, was to buy a heart rate monitor. They are fairly cheap these days. I was never any good at perceived exertion, so I ran too hard and hated it, plus injured myself. After starting to use one I had to slow down considerably to keep my heart rate in the recommended zones, but running became comfortable and actually fun. Sometimes I thought walking would be just as fast, but very quickly, I noticed that my pace was dropping at the same heartrates.

I started running 2 years ago at that time an 11 minute mile caused me to go anerobic and I had to quit at 1.7 miles completely dead and panting uncontrollably. Last fall I ran a 5k and avg. 7:23 per mile. You stamina will build quickly and hopefully you find a life long healthy habit.

Best regards,

[dbx]

I started running 2 years ago at that time an 11 minute mile caused me to go anerobic and I had to quit at 1.7 miles completely dead and panting uncontrollably. Last fall I ran a 5k and avg. 7:23 per mile. You stamina will build quickly and hopefully you find a life long healthy habit.

That's a good comparison for him to consider too. And hell, I'm still terrible at guessing where I am. I follow the general rule of "below panting", but find myself speeding up and slowing for a variety of reasons (boredom, feel good, feel spent...). Perhaps a HR monitor might be a neat little addition for me.

[MuscleSouth]

The best thing I ever did to get me running, was to buy a heart rate monitor. They are fairly cheap these days. I was never any good at perceived exertion, so I ran too hard and hated it, plus injured myself. After starting to use one I had to slow down considerably to keep my heart rate in the recommended zones, but running became comfortable and actually fun. Sometimes I thought walking would be just as fast, but very quickly, I noticed that my pace was dropping at the same heartrates.

I started running 2 years ago at that time an 11 minute mile caused me to go anerobic and I had to quit at 1.7 miles completely dead and panting uncontrollably. Last fall I ran a 5k and avg. 7:23 per mile. You stamina will build quickly and hopefully you find a life long healthy habit.

Best regards,
I would like to add a HR monitor but I'm not sure how to use it.

Thanks for the suggestion.

That's a good comparison for him to consider too. And hell, I'm still terrible at guessing where I am. I follow the general rule of "below panting", but find myself speeding up and slowing for a variety of reasons (boredom, feel good, feel spent...). Perhaps a HR monitor might be a neat little addition for me.

That's kind of what I'm doing now, I've always lifted and never cared for running until recently but now I'm starting to love it.

[Ophus]

That's a good comparison for him to consider too. And hell, I'm still terrible at guessing where I am. I follow the general rule of "below panting", but find myself speeding up and slowing for a variety of reasons (boredom, feel good, feel spent...). Perhaps a HR monitor might be a neat little addition for me.

Its really good for many reasons, you can build a history and watch the changes over time. It takes a lot of guessing out of it. Some days I feel like I'm knocking it out of the park, just to find out I stunk it up, other days I feel aweful and I must be having the slowest run ever and then find I knocked it out of the park. I started using a GPS with heart monitor combo, it gives me real time feed back, to what I am doing. This really is helpful if you are training for an event and have set a goal for the event.

It has been a great help to me.

[dbx]

Its really good for many reasons, you can build a history and watch the changes over time. It takes a lot of guessing out of it. Some days I feel like I'm knocking it out of the park, just to find out I stunk it up, other days I feel aweful and I must be having the slowest run ever and then find I knocked it out of the park. I started using a GPS with heart monitor combo, it gives me real time feed back, to what I am doing. This really is helpful if you are training for an event and have set a goal for the event.

It has been a great help to me.

Hmmm.....you make it sound more enticing :). Any suggestions on brand/model?

[Ophus]

I would like to add a HR monitor but I'm not sure how to use it.

Thanks for the suggestion.


That's kind of what I'm doing now, I've always lifted and never cared for running until recently but now I'm starting to love it.


They are very simple and come with instructions usually. There is a general formuala to use to figure your max heart rate, 220-age=max. This formula while a good starting point is not very accurate. For example I am 40 so 220-40=180 bpm, this should be my max heart rate, I have measured my max at 196bpm. You can also look online at many sites that will give you heart rate zones to use based on your max heart rate. Normally you want to keep your heart rate around 60% of your max for fat loss and starting out. When you feel more comfortable you can kick it up to 70-80% for a more vigorous workout and more cardio vascular improvement.

If you can't find the info feel free to ask me, I will answer as much as I can for you.

[Ophus]

Hmmm.....you make it sound more enticing :). Any suggestions on brand/model?


I have used the Polars without problem, currently I use a garmin forerunner305 its a couple of years old. It's hard to recommend not knowing what you want it to do. The basic ones are great, but dont store much data for you. As you go up the scale they mostly add data capabilites until you get to the ones that have gps and then it starts all over.

Both of these brands also have units that will do heart rate and have a foot pod that will measure distance also. These are cheaper, although less accurate than getting one with gps. Your choices are many, feel free to ask me any questions, I will answer if I can.

[dbx]

I have used the Polars without problem, currently I use a garmin forerunner305 its a couple of years old. It's hard to recommend not knowing what you want it to do. The basic ones are great, but dont store much data for you. As you go up the scale they mostly add data capabilites until you get to the ones that have gps and then it starts all over.

Both of these brands also have units that will do heart rate and have a foot pod that will measure distance also. These are cheaper, although less accurate than getting one with gps. Your choices are many, feel free to ask me any questions, I will answer if I can.

I'd only need the function of heart rate readout. I'm not a whistles and bells person, as I find that stuff always looks great...but never gets utilized. Lol, I still remember having PIP when it was first new on TVs. I would demonstrate it to friends and they'd say, "Wow, I'll bet you'll get some use out of that!" And I'd say, "Not really, the only time I ever use it is just to show people I have it, like I just did for you" :) (no, not a sports fan).

Anyway....thanks for the info.

[runner05]

I'd only need the function of heart rate readout. I'm not a whistles and bells person, as I find that stuff always looks great...but never gets utilized. Lol, I still remember having PIP when it was first new on TVs. I would demonstrate it to friends and they'd say, "Wow, I'll bet you'll get some use out of that!" And I'd say, "Not really, the only time I ever use it is just to show people I have it, like I just did for you" :) (no, not a sports fan).

Anyway....thanks for the info.

I agree about the "bells and whistles"... and I also think a heart monitor is a great idea, but I really tend to just go on what my body is telling me, which I guess is probably easier after years of running, but I really HATE to wear anything more than absolutely necessary when I'm running. :D Just my shorts, top, socks, shoes, and my watch!

[spring85sigma]

I agree about the "bells and whistles"... and I also think a heart monitor is a great idea, but I really tend to just go on what my body is telling me, which I guess is probably easier after years of running, but I really HATE to wear anything more than absolutely necessary when I'm running. :D Just my shorts, top, socks, shoes, and my watch!

I like the part where you wrote,"...but I really tend to just go on what my body is telling me.." Last Wednesday I really hit my legs hard during my workout and just could not get any rhythm or speed whatsoever for the remainder of the week's runs. I ran 29:00 for the 3 mile on Friday! That was the worse run I've had in months. :( I rested the legs this weekend and today ran 23:05. I guess I was just shocked at that much variation in time, especially after a few personal bests.

[dbx]

.......but I really HATE to wear anything more than absolutely necessary when I'm running. :D Just my shorts, top, socks, shoes, and my watch!

I hear ya. That's probably the single most reason I never used an MP3 player when I first started running; I didn't want to burden myself with anything being bounced around beside my own fat :). But little did I know then...that I'd swat so profusely when running that I'd probably short circuit any electronic device attached to me when running :eek:

[runner05]

I hear ya. That's probably the single most reason I never used an MP3 player when I first started running; I didn't want to burden myself with anything being bounced around beside my own fat :). But little did I know then...that I'd swat so profusely when running that I'd probably short circuit any electronic device attached to me when running :eek:

OK... I forgot that I do religiously carry my ipod shuffle... but it's small enough to clip onto the bottom of my shirt and I usually then just have the cord to deal w/ and, if possible, will thread that through a jacket or my shirt.

Although, I have to admit that when the first ipod shuffle came out and had no "clip", I was stashing it inside a pocket I made inside the side of my shorts and YEP it soon was shorted out... :o Yuck! :(

[runner05]

I like the part where you wrote,"...but I really tend to just go on what my body is telling me.." Last Wednesday I really hit my legs hard during my workout and just could not get any rhythm or speed whatsoever for the remainder of the week's runs. I ran 29:00 for the 3 mile on Friday! That was the worse run I've had in months. :( I rested the legs this weekend and today ran 23:05. I guess I was just shocked at that much variation in time, especially after a few personal bests.

LOL And, this is exactly why runners rest before a big race! :)

[algforcek]

Doing my first 5k in almost eight years on Saturday. I expect a craptastic time because I really only trained two weeks :( Hoping for under 30 minutes.

Oh, hi :)

[MuscleSouth]

OK... I forgot that I do religiously carry my ipod shuffle... but it's small enough to clip onto the bottom of my shirt and I usually then just have the cord to deal w/ and, if possible, will thread that through a jacket or my shirt.

Although, I have to admit that when the first ipod shuffle came out and had no "clip", I was stashing it inside a pocket I made inside the side of my shorts and YEP it soon was shorted out... :o Yuck! :(

Am I still on that ipod?

[dbx]

Doing my first 5k in almost eight years on Saturday. I expect a craptastic time because I really only trained two weeks :( Hoping for under 30 minutes.

Oh, hi :)

Welcome! Stationed at Tyndall? Anyway, good luck on your 5K, you'll do fine.

[algforcek]

I love Tyndall :) Thanks bro :)

[runner05]

Doing my first 5k in almost eight years on Saturday. I expect a craptastic time because I really only trained two weeks :( Hoping for under 30 minutes.

Oh, hi :)
Good luck! You'll do fine... and I always figure, if I do crappy on the first, that just gives me a better chance at the next one... :D

Am I still on that ipod?
D? LOL Of course! :cool:

[antiquemom]

First time back since January 18th....... we were having a lovely warm January day, the kind that makes you want to go out and dig in the dirt.. so I did. After getting rid of some weeds and berry vines I started picking up sticks and wind blown rubbish from the yard, tossing it over the hill when......yup.... felt my back go. I baby stepped into the house, grabbed some tylenol, ice and the floor. I had x-rays that Thursday, Doc wanted to make sure all looked ok, and it did. I was in a major muscle spasm, she gave me a wonderful shot and some muscle relaxers and pain medicine. A couple of days later I was good, I start running tomorrow. I have been taking it way easy, this weekend I tested it out with some weights and the bike, and heavy house cleaning. Boy have I missed the mind clearing I recieve from running. I can hardly wait!!!

[dbx]

Well, welcome ...back? I don't think I've ever even seen your screen name before, lofl, but welcome back nonetheless :D

[dbx]

Geeez...I really struggled today. The first 1.3mi lap went great. On the second, I fought off stopping to walk twice, as I felt exhausted. I finally caved twice, but only for maybe 10 seconds each time. Back in my driveway after 2.6 miles, I caught my breath after maybe 60 seconds and went back and ran another .6mi. And then I did it once more for a total of 3.8 miles....the hard way :rolleyes:. It was 30* or so outside and it felt good, but my legs just kinda felt numb and my stride just never felt well oiled.

[runner05]

First time back since January 18th....... we were having a lovely warm January day, the kind that makes you want to go out and dig in the dirt.. so I did. After getting rid of some weeds and berry vines I started picking up sticks and wind blown rubbish from the yard, tossing it over the hill when......yup.... felt my back go. I baby stepped into the house, grabbed some tylenol, ice and the floor. I had x-rays that Thursday, Doc wanted to make sure all looked ok, and it did. I was in a major muscle spasm, she gave me a wonderful shot and some muscle relaxers and pain medicine. A couple of days later I was good, I start running tomorrow. I have been taking it way easy, this weekend I tested it out with some weights and the bike, and heavy house cleaning. Boy have I missed the mind clearing I recieve from running. I can hardly wait!!!
Mind clearing FOR SURE!!! :D

Geeez...I really struggled today. The first 1.3mi lap went great. On the second, I fought off stopping to walk twice, as I felt exhausted. I finally caved twice, but only for maybe 10 seconds each time. Back in my driveway after 2.6 miles, I caught my breath after maybe 60 seconds and went back and ran another .6mi. And then I did it once more for a total of 3.8 miles....the hard way :rolleyes:. It was 30* or so outside and it felt good, but my legs just kinda felt numb and my stride just never felt well oiled.
Struggled w/ a trip to the mailbox!? :D Are we getting wimpy, hun!??? hehe

Unfortunately, running is like that... some days/runs are so great that you feel you can run forever :) , and the very next run might totally suck. :( Just appreciate the good ones!

I finally got back in the gym last night and the weights felt GREAT! and 3 miles scheduled for tonight!

[rpaul11]

Geeez...I really struggled today. The first 1.3mi lap went great. On the second, I fought off stopping to walk twice, as I felt exhausted. I finally caved twice, but only for maybe 10 seconds each time. Back in my driveway after 2.6 miles, I caught my breath after maybe 60 seconds and went back and ran another .6mi. And then I did it once more for a total of 3.8 miles....the hard way :rolleyes:. It was 30* or so outside and it felt good, but my legs just kinda felt numb and my stride just never felt well oiled.
we all have those days now and then....don't sweat it...but damn...after 2.6 miles :p

I finally got back in the gym last night and the weights felt GREAT! and 3 miles scheduled for tonight!

good for you on this :)


I did 4 miles yesterday on the TM at a 6.5 mph pace. Felt good.

[dbx]

Struggled w/ a trip to the mailbox!? :D Are we getting wimpy, hun!??? hehe

I believe my 2.6 trip trumps your previous high 1.6 mailbox trip! :p


Unfortunately, running is like that... some days/runs are so great that you feel you can run forever :) , and the very next run might totally suck. :( Just appreciate the good ones!

Yep, I know that all too well. But for some reason, I just keep thinking it'll go smooth one day and just never change :).


I finally got back in the gym last night and the weights felt GREAT! and 3 miles scheduled for tonight!

Well, it's about freakin' time! No slacking! I want to hear you grunting all the way across the country!

[rpaul11]

Well, it's about freakin' time! No slacking! I want to hear you grunting all the way across the country!

I think LBM gets to her house around 9 pm on Friday hehehe

[blkbelt42]

In for the seriousness! :D

[spring85sigma]

Geeez...I really struggled today. The first 1.3mi lap went great. On the second, I fought off stopping to walk twice, as I felt exhausted. I finally caved twice, but only for maybe 10 seconds each time. Back in my driveway after 2.6 miles, I caught my breath after maybe 60 seconds and went back and ran another .6mi. And then I did it once more for a total of 3.8 miles....the hard way :rolleyes:. It was 30* or so outside and it felt good, but my legs just kinda felt numb and my stride just never felt well oiled.

As I'm learning from the more seasoned veterans, there are going to be days when that stride doesn't come together. I always use the word rhythm. I've noticed with me that the first mile or so is the toughest stride-wise and breathing-wise and that I consistently run faster toward the end of the run than at the beginning!

Today I'm dealing with a 25+ degree drop in temperature. Yesterday was almost 60 and I had a great run. Today, we're back in the 30s.

Hang in there buddy!

[runner05]

I believe my 2.6 trip trumps your previous high 1.6 mailbox trip! :p



Yep, I know that all too well. But for some reason, I just keep thinking it'll go smooth one day and just never change :).



Well, it's about freakin' time! No slacking! I want to hear you grunting all the way across the country!
:mad:

OK... I'll try harder... :o :D

I think LBM gets to her house around 9 pm on Friday hehehe
8 actually! :D

In for the seriousness! :D
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/gorilla.gif Serious running... yes... hehe

Welcome anyway, Ken! *hugs*

[blkbelt42]

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/gorilla.gif Serious running... yes... hehe

Welcome anyway, Ken! *hugs*
I think it's against site policy to
post another members pic! :D

And I can run further than that.

[runner05]

I think it's against site policy to
post another members pic! :D

And I can run further than that.


Oops... :o Sorry...

It's not the distance here, hun... it's the consistency! :)

[MuscleSouth]

My run didn't go as well as the previous day's it actually took almost a minute longer.

It had just rained and the air felt so heavy trying to breathe, I don't know if it was the humidity or I was just slacking but at least I did it I guess.

[runner05]

My run didn't go as well as the previous day's it actually took almost a minute longer.

It had just rained and the air felt so heavy trying to breathe, I don't know if it was the humidity or I was just slacking but at least I did it I guess.

That's the way it goes!!! ^^^We were just talking about that! :) And, humidity can def make a difference for me!

[dbx]

As I'm learning from the more seasoned veterans, there are going to be days when that stride doesn't come together

Yep, I was merely lamenting aloud. I learned the old, "every dog has his day" rule a long while back, when it comes to running :D



In for the seriousness! :D

Welcome. And I are serious.

[runner05]

And I are serious.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/lol.gif

[rpaul11]

3.8 miles today at lunchtime. Treadmill workout. That 9.25 min pace is really working well for me.

[runner05]

3.8 miles today at lunchtime. Treadmill workout. That 9.25 min pace is really working well for me.

That's awesome, Rich! :)

I wish I could workout at lunch time... guys have it made in this respect... (yes, jealous)

[dbx]

3.8 miles today at lunchtime. Treadmill workout. That 9.25 min pace is really working well for me.

Well, now isn't that a coincidence. 3.8 miles today, you say? :p

That's a pretty nice run for lunch time or any other time!

[rpaul11]

That's awesome, Rich! :)

I wish I could workout at lunch time... guys have it made in this respect... (yes, jealous)usually I can't do this...I happened to be working near the gym today.


Well, now isn't that a coincidence. 3.8 miles today, you say? :p

That's a pretty nice run for lunch time or any other time!

well, I set the machine for 35 mins at 6.5 mph...and that is what I ended up with. Unless you count my 5 min cooldown. then it was 4.17 miles :p

[dbx]

well, I set the machine for 35 mins at 6.5 mph...and that is what I ended up with. Unless you count my 5 min cooldown. then it was 4.17 miles :p

I'll actually count my cool down time when I'm doing "fat burning" speed :D.

[bhaputi]

Glad to see this thread is still around, seeing as I have not been around in eons :)
Done with my job training that took me away for 5 months, and now I am training for my first half-marathon. I basically had to restart at step one a few weeks back, but it is coming back fast. My structured workouts begin next week, but today was a "fun" treadmill day (damn snow):

.5 miles w/u @ 6.5 mph
1 mile @ 7.5 mph
7x1 minute intervals @ 8.6 mph with 1 minute recovery (1.3 miles total)
1 mile @ 7.5 mph

My first speedwork in a while, and I know I need to ramp it up next time, but it felt good. My goal for the half is 1:45 (8 minute miles), which I believe is doable...

Glad to see familiar faces, and hello to the new ones.

[bhaputi]

I'll actually count my cool down time when I'm doing "fat burning" speed :D.

I always count warmup/warmdown mileage towards my totals. Mainly because I do not want to mess with the Garmin while running.

[bhaputi]

That's awesome, Rich! :)

I wish I could workout at lunch time... guys have it made in this respect... (yes, jealous)

Why just guys? I know several women that run at lunch, even without showers available. For me, I sweat too darn much, so if I do a nooner I need to shower afterwards (thankfully, we have a shower/gym in my office).

[marmadukemas]

Good evening everyone! Weather tomorrow is supposed to be clear, sunny and 55 degrees. I am psyched to get a run in. I picked up a pair of NB 825's on the sale rack last month, and they are just now broken in and ready to cut loose. Had a good lift today, and looking forward to the cardio tomorrow.


I like the part where you wrote,"...but I really tend to just go on what my body is telling me.." Last Wednesday I really hit my legs hard during my workout and just could not get any rhythm or speed whatsoever for the remainder of the week's runs. I ran 29:00 for the 3 mile on Friday! That was the worse run I've had in months. :( I rested the legs this weekend and today ran 23:05. I guess I was just shocked at that much variation in time, especially after a few personal bests.

Andrew, you hit on my same issue, I have a really hard time getting both a good leg workout and a hard run. Personally I have a two week cycle going, one week I go light on leg exercises and run harder, then go hard in the gym the next week and keep my runs short and slow.


I agree about the "bells and whistles"... and I also think a heart monitor is a great idea, but I really tend to just go on what my body is telling me, which I guess is probably easier after years of running, but I really HATE to wear anything more than absolutely necessary when I'm running. :D Just my shorts, top, socks, shoes, and my watch!

I like my HR monitor too, and related to my post above, helps me monitor my recovery progress. If I have a hard time getting my HR into zone I am normally comfortable with, tells me I still need more recovery before I'm ready to go on that 8 miler (just kidding, haven't done too many 8 milers recently)

[MuscleSouth]

No run for me yesterday, just weights.

If it's not too cold I'm going today.

[rpaul11]

Andrew, you hit on my same issue, I have a really hard time getting both a good leg workout and a hard run. Personally I have a two week cycle going, one week I go light on leg exercises and run harder, then go hard in the gym the next week and keep my runs short and slow.



that never really bothered me much for some reason. I can lift heavy on legs and run 4 miles the next day. I have doms, but after about a mile they are good until I stop running. I would guess if I didn't lift with my legs my runs would be better and vice versa, but I think I have found a happy medium for now.

[runner05]

Why just guys? I know several women that run at lunch, even without showers available. For me, I sweat too darn much, so if I do a nooner I need to shower afterwards (thankfully, we have a shower/gym in my office).
'cuz "guys" can shower and be back to work in 10-15 min! :( I won't work out and go back to work feeling like YUK... so, in order to shower, I'd need an additional 45min MINIMUM... :o Hair, makeup, stuff...

Good evening everyone! Weather tomorrow is supposed to be clear, sunny and 55 degrees. I am psyched to get a run in.
*totally jealous*

No run for me yesterday, just weights.

If it's not too cold I'm going today.
What's "too cold"??? You live in the south, hun!! :D

[thepainter5]

I was out for a 3.3 mile run last night. It was only my 3rd run in the last 10 days and my legs are finally making the adjustment from riding the bike to running.
My hips were quite tight during my second run and really hindered the run, so much that I was not looking forward to the next run.
Yesterday I spent 30 minutes stretching prior to running focusing a lot on my hips. The beginning of the run let me know that the stretching was benefical for my hips as everything felt fluid from the word go. I managed to shave 4 minutes off of the same distance I ran 4 days prior.

[spring85sigma]

Good evening everyone! Weather tomorrow is supposed to be clear, sunny and 55 degrees. I am psyched to get a run in. I picked up a pair of NB 825's on the sale rack last month, and they are just now broken in and ready to cut loose. Had a good lift today, and looking forward to the cardio tomorrow.



Andrew, you hit on my same issue, I have a really hard time getting both a good leg workout and a hard run. Personally I have a two week cycle going, one week I go light on leg exercises and run harder, then go hard in the gym the next week and keep my runs short and slow.



I like my HR monitor too, and related to my post above, helps me monitor my recovery progress. If I have a hard time getting my HR into zone I am normally comfortable with, tells me I still need more recovery before I'm ready to go on that 8 miler (just kidding, haven't done too many 8 milers recently)

Yesterday, and Monday, I ran my "flat" course (basically the laps around my back yard---.2 miles each lap) and had good times for both runs. Monday's 3 mile run (15 laps) was 23:05 and yesterday's 2 mile (10 laps) was 14:35. Today is leg day, so I know to expect the runs on Thursday and Friday will be somewhat slower plus they will be on the road with the hills, etc.

[MuscleSouth]

'cuz "guys" can shower and be back to work in 10-15 min! :( I won't work out and go back to work feeling like YUK... so, in order to shower, I'd need an additional 45min MINIMUM... :o Hair, makeup, stuff...

*totally jealous*

What's "too cold"??? You live in the south, hun!! :D

It's supposed to be 24 here tonight. It's not often but occasionally we'll get some cold weather.

[blkbelt42]

sup runner!!!!! :D

[runner05]

It's supposed to be 24 here tonight. It's not often but occasionally we'll get some cold weather.
LOL OK then... :D

sup runner!!!!! :D
Getting stronger... hehe http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd346/CavCafe/muscles.gif


You???

[dbx]

Glad to see this thread is still around, seeing as I have not been around in eons :)

Glad to see familiar faces, and hello to the new ones.

Good to see you back. I have no doubt that you'll succeed in your goal.


I was out for a 3.3 mile run last night. It was only my 3rd run in the last 10 days and my legs are finally making the adjustment from riding the bike to running.
My hips were quite tight during my second run and really hindered the run, so much that I was not looking forward to the next run.
Yesterday I spent 30 minutes stretching prior to running focusing a lot on my hips. The beginning of the run let me know that the stretching was benefical for my hips as everything felt fluid from the word go. I managed to shave 4 minutes off of the same distance I ran 4 days prior.

That's good that you've found a way to stem the tightness in your hips. I'm not familiar with that feeling (thank goodness! :)), or perhaps I don't even recognize it. I do know that my gait was not smooth at all yesterday, and I kind of attributed it to the cold (between 28*-32*), although I really don't know for sure. I felt as if I was running without any cushioning at all (and yes, my shoes are pretty new). It was just awkward, for lack of a better description. Certainly not fluid.

One of these days, I'm going to actually try to see what more than 3mins of post running stretching will do for me :o

[thepainter5]

.....That's good that you've found a way to stem the tightness in your hips. I'm not familiar with that feeling (thank goodness! :)), or perhaps I don't even recognize it. I do know that my gait was not smooth at all yesterday, and I kind of attributed it to the cold (between 28*-32*), although I really don't know for sure. I felt as if I was running without any cushioning at all (and yes, my shoes are pretty new). It was just awkward, for lack of a better description. Certainly not fluid.

One of these days, I'm going to actually try to see what more than 3mins of post running stretching will do for me :o

That actually sums up the way my second run felt. I even contemplated wearing different runners. Now I know it was just stiff hips. Perhaps the stretching would benifit you as well. It can't hurt. :)

[marmadukemas]

Good evening everyone, I'm on the West Coast, so looks like my posts are later than the rest. Weather today was spectaclar, just perfect for running. Clear and sunny but still cool and pleasant for running.

Unfortunatly, I didn't eat enough before my run. While I felt great going out the first 3 miles, right when I hit the turn around point I ran out of gas. I'm on a calorie deficit, so there wasn't much margin. There was a lady pushing her child in a stroller, I almost asked her for some animal crackers, anything to give me enough fuel to get back. I could feel my body eating my muscles (maybe alittle fat I hope too --lol).


that never really bothered me much for some reason. I can lift heavy on legs and run 4 miles the next day. I have doms, but after about a mile they are good until I stop running. I would guess if I didn't lift with my legs my runs would be better and vice versa, but I think I have found a happy medium for now.

I know other lifter/runners who are like you and don't have a problem, I wish I was more llike that RPaul. I'm not sure if it's because my legs are more ectomorph, or just a vitamin deficiency :) But it's hapened enough times where I'm so wiped after working out legs that I have to give myself 3-4 days to recover before I run.


'cuz "guys" can shower and be back to work in 10-15 min! :( I won't work out and go back to work feeling like YUK... so, in order to shower, I'd need an additional 45min MINIMUM... :o Hair, makeup, stuff...

Hey we guys have to primp too --ha ha. I can't slither back into a suit and tie unless I get a shower and gel in my hair -yeah 15 minutes is about right. 45 minutes is a long time though, maybe you're just better looking than we are :D When I tell my wife to hurry up she always asks me whether I want cute, pretty or knock-out and knock-out seems to run close to an hour


Yesterday, and Monday, I ran my "flat" course (basically the laps around my back yard---.2 miles each lap) and had good times for both runs. Monday's 3 mile run (15 laps) was 23:05 and yesterday's 2 mile (10 laps) was 14:35. Today is leg day, so I know to expect the runs on Thursday and Friday will be somewhat slower plus they will be on the road with the hills, etc.

Why the short laps, is that the only place you have to run? running circles bores me, so kudos to you. Hope you have a great leg workout tomorrow.

[spring85sigma]

Good evening everyone! Weather tomorrow is supposed to be clear, sunny and 55 degrees. I am psyched to get a run in. I picked up a pair of NB 825's on the sale rack last month, and they are just now broken in and ready to cut loose. Had a good lift today, and looking forward to the cardio tomorrow.



Andrew, you hit on my same issue, I have a really hard time getting both a good leg workout and a hard run. Personally I have a two week cycle going, one week I go light on leg exercises and run harder, then go hard in the gym the next week and keep my runs short and slow.



I like my HR monitor too, and related to my post above, helps me monitor my recovery progress. If I have a hard time getting my HR into zone I am normally comfortable with, tells me I still need more recovery before I'm ready to go on that 8 miler (just kidding, haven't done too many 8 milers recently)


Good evening everyone, I'm on the West Coast, so looks like my posts are later than the rest. Weather today was spectaclar, just perfect for running. Clear and sunny but still cool and pleasant for running.

Unfortunatly, I didn't eat enough before my run. While I felt great going out the first 3 miles, right when I hit the turn around point I ran out of gas. I'm on a calorie deficit, so there wasn't much margin. There was a lady pushing her child in a stroller, I almost asked her for some animal crackers, anything to give me enough fuel to get back. I could feel my body eating my muscles (maybe alittle fat I hope too --lol).



I know other lifter/runners who are like you and don't have a problem, I wish I was more llike that RPaul. I'm not sure if it's because my legs are more ectomorph, or just a vitamin deficiency :) But it's hapened enough times where I'm so wiped after working out legs that I have to give myself 3-4 days to recover before I run.



Hey we guys have to primp too --ha ha. I can't slither back into a suit and tie unless I get a shower and gel in my hair -yeah 15 minutes is about right. 45 minutes is a long time though, maybe you're just better looking than we are :D When I tell my wife to hurry up she always asks me whether I want cute, pretty or knock-out and knock-out seems to run close to an hour



Why the short laps, is that the only place you have to run? running circles bores me, so kudos to you. Hope you have a great leg workout tomorrow.

I hadn't run the "flat" course in a while and remembered what happened to my legs last week. So, in spite of the boredom, I wanted to give them a little less challenging course. It's not too bad with the mp3 player pumping! Tomorrow and Friday I will be back on the road.

[Ophus]

As I'm learning from the more seasoned veterans, there are going to be days when that stride doesn't come together. I always use the word rhythm. I've noticed with me that the first mile or so is the toughest stride-wise and breathing-wise and that I consistently run faster toward the end of the run than at the beginning!

Today I'm dealing with a 25+ degree drop in temperature. Yesterday was almost 60 and I had a great run. Today, we're back in the 30s.

Hang in there buddy!

I feel your pain, for the last 2 months our temps have been in the teens with some days in single digits like yesterday and today, nights double digits below zero. Today we also have 6-8 inches of snow on the ground. What I wouldn't give for a nice 40 degree day to go for a nice long run. Sorry for my whinning, winter blues working on me.

[runner05]

I feel your pain, for the last 2 months our temps have been in the teens with some days in single digits like yesterday and today, nights double digits below zero. Today we also have 6-8 inches of snow on the ground. What I wouldn't give for a nice 40 degree day to go for a nice long run. Sorry for my whinning, winter blues working on me.

I'm feeling your pain!! :( There is a light at the end of this gloomy winter tunnel though... summer ALWAYS... EVENTUALLY... comes!!! :D

[runner05]

Hey we guys have to primp too --ha ha. I can't slither back into a suit and tie unless I get a shower and gel in my hair -yeah 15 minutes is about right. 45 minutes is a long time though, maybe you're just better looking than we are :D When I tell my wife to hurry up she always asks me whether I want cute, pretty or knock-out and knock-out seems to run close to an hour.

LOL I love your wife's analogy... I can quickly throw in a ponytail and bare makeup... :D but to do the full hair, makeup, shaving legs, etc... yep... gotta have closer to that hour... :o

[dbx]

Enjoying my week of from lifting :rolleyes: :)

Just finished approx 3.5mi fast walking (3.8) on TM for 55 mins.

[runner05]

Enjoying my week of from lifting :rolleyes: :)

Just finished approx 3.5mi fast walking (3.8) on TM for 55 mins.

Why a week off from lifting? :confused:

Nice long walk though!

Last night I ran 2... went to the gym and did legs... and finished w/ another mile. :D

[dbx]

Why a week off from lifting? :confused:

Nice long walk though!

Last night I ran 2... went to the gym and did legs... and finished w/ another mile. :D

I just finished 12wks of DC training and decided to use my cruise week for cardio only.

Hey, 3miles...very nice :)

[runner05]

I just finished 12wks of DC training and decided to use my cruise week for cardio only.

Hey, 3miles...very nice :)

3 miles WITH my leg WO!!! :D Walking a little funny this morning though... :o and, I'm sure tomorrow will be worse... Oh well, it felt GREAT!

[MuscleSouth]

Enjoying my week of from lifting :rolleyes: :)

Just finished approx 3.5mi fast walking (3.8) on TM for 55 mins.

Nice distance, great work.

[Ophus]

I'm feeling your pain!! :( There is a light at the end of this gloomy winter tunnel though... summer ALWAYS... EVENTUALLY... comes!!! :D

Thanks for the encouragement, suppose to be a heat wave today, a high of 21F. I can run with that no problem.

[marmadukemas]

I hadn't run the "flat" course in a while and remembered what happened to my legs last week. So, in spite of the boredom, I wanted to give them a little less challenging course. It's not too bad with the mp3 player pumping! Tomorrow and Friday I will be back on the road. I get it, sounds like a plan. My run's are always better with a soundtrack going too. Hope you had a good one!

[thepainter5]

I put in another 3.3 miles tonight making it the 3rd such run of the week. The run felt great and after another week or so I expect to be running more days than not as I train for the half in May. The transisition from biking to run is going as planned.

[rpaul11]

I ran yesterday also. 3.25 miles in 30 minutes. I think I have found my pace for now. I'd like to shave that to below a 9 minute mile by the time I get to running outside regularly.

Nice running folks. Spring is comming and the running thread is picking up steam

[runner05]

Run... Run... Run... :p

[Ophus]

I owe some reps here, but it says I have to spread it around, Thanks guys!

I think my motivation is starting to come back, in no small because of this little group.

[spring85sigma]

I get it, sounds like a plan. My run's are always better with a soundtrack going too. Hope you had a good one!

Yesterday I went back on the road. I did some interval cardio followed by my 2 mile run. After yesterday?s leg workout, I didn?t push too hard, but probably should have pushed a little harder. The temperature never rose above 29 degrees. With the windchill factored in it felt like 17 degrees. Still, the run wasn?t too bad. I did 17:23. I guess sometimes it's about getting it done! Last 3 mile run of the week coming up after my back workout today. The temperatures are predicted to be almost 30 degrees WARMER today after a very COLD early morning.

[marmadukemas]

Yesterday I went back on the road. I did some interval cardio followed by my 2 mile run. After yesterday?s leg workout, I didn?t push too hard, but probably should have pushed a little harder. The temperature never rose above 29 degrees. With the windchill factored in it felt like 17 degrees. Still, the run wasn?t too bad. I did 17:23. I guess sometimes it's about getting it done! Last 3 mile run of the week coming up after my back workout today. The temperatures are predicted to be almost 30 degrees WARMER today after a very COLD early morning.

Awesome run Andrew, way to push it despite the cold weather. Lesser mortals would have sought the dreadmill. Hows the doctoral work coming along? Running help relive stress?

[dbx]

I got my 18yr old son (the boxer :)) to run with me this morning. It was 45* out by the time we hit it, which was a nice change from 30*. We planned on doing 2.5 laps which is about 3.2 miles, but I felt like we were pacing it so slow that I talked him into a full last lap...for 3.9 miles. That meant running up "the bitch" (fairly steep 1/4mi long hill) 3 times.

Anyway, we both felt great afterward. And the time? Much better than I expected, as we almost did 4 miles in 37mins. I felt like we were really crawling along. I really suck at trying to guess pace :).

Enjoy your Saturday!

[thepainter5]

Yesterday was another run of 3.3 miles for a total of 13.2 miles last week, equal to a half marathon. My legs are adjusting to the switch from biking to running. While I am not running at blistering speeds (10 minute miles), I am 14 weeks out and on track for the half May 3rd.
Tomorrow is a long run day and 6 miles are on the agenda.
I hope everyone has nice running conditions this weekend. :)

[thepainter5]

I got my 18yr old son (the boxer :)) to run with me this morning. It was 45* out by the time we hit it, which was a nice change from 30*. We planned on doing 2.5 laps which is about 3.2 miles, but I felt like we were pacing it so slow that I talked him into a full last lap...for 3.9 miles. That meant running up "the bitch" (fairly steep 1/4mi long hill) 3 times.

Anyway, we both felt great afterward. And the time? Much better than I expected, as we almost did 4 miles in 37mins. I felt like we were really crawling along. I really suck at trying to guess pace :).

Enjoy your Saturday!

Glad to hear that you had a good run with your son. Those hills are great training and sounds like the third time was just a warm up for the next time. Can you say 4 times up that hill? ;)

[rpaul11]

I got my 18yr old son (the boxer :)) to run with me this morning. It was 45* out by the time we hit it, which was a nice change from 30*. We planned on doing 2.5 laps which is about 3.2 miles, but I felt like we were pacing it so slow that I talked him into a full last lap...for 3.9 miles. That meant running up "the bitch" (fairly steep 1/4mi long hill) 3 times.

Anyway, we both felt great afterward. And the time? Much better than I expected, as we almost did 4 miles in 37mins. I felt like we were really crawling along. I really suck at trying to guess pace :).

Enjoy your Saturday!That's a pretty good run for an old guy :D


the weather is breaking here, but today is my off day. If the rain holds off tomorrow I will likely run outside.


Yesterday was another run of 3.3 miles for a total of 13.2 miles last week, equal to a half marathon. My legs are adjusting to the switch from biking to running. While I am not running at blistering speeds (10 minute miles), I am 14 weeks out and on track for the half May 3rd.
Tomorrow is a long run day and 6 miles are on the agenda.
I hope everyone has nice running conditions this weekend. :)

seems like you are coming along well.

I did 11 miles last week which is a good week for me considering I only did 3 runs. enjoy your run tomorrow.

[thepainter5]

That's a pretty good run for an old guy :D


the weather is breaking here, but today is my off day. If the rain holds off tomorrow I will likely run outside.



seems like you are coming along well.

I did 11 miles last week which is a good week for me considering I only did 3 runs. enjoy your run tomorrow.

Enjoy your's as well. I hope you have a good day for running. :)

[dbx]

Yesterday was another run of 3.3 miles for a total of 13.2 miles last week, equal to a half marathon. My legs are adjusting to the switch from biking to running. While I am not running at blistering speeds (10 minute miles), I am 14 weeks out and on track for the half May 3rd.
Tomorrow is a long run day and 6 miles are on the agenda.
I hope everyone has nice running conditions this weekend. :)

Looks like you are well on your way to your goal. Good job!


Glad to hear that you had a good run with your son. Those hills are great training and sounds like the third time was just a warm up for the next time. Can you say 4 times up that hill? ;)

Now, keep are goals separate :p :D. I have hit that damn hill 4 times before (5.2 mile run), but I am only running for the purpose of burning fat and nothing else. This thread often gets confusing not unlike the main forum where a PLer asks a question and a BBer answers it :). Two different goals and comments often misunderstood.

For instance, I only mentioned my total time this morning as... extra info, but didn't mean to present it as a point of reference of achievement, as increasing speed is/was not my intention. Know what I mean?


That's a pretty good run for an old guy :D
the weather is breaking here, but today is my off day. If the rain holds off tomorrow I will likely run outside.

:). Yeah, it was gorgeous here yesterday, and is supposed to be about 70 for the next 5 days! It's 60* right now and sunny :cool:

[thepainter5]

Looks like you are well on your way to your goal. Good job!



Now, keep are goals separate :p :D. I have hit that damn hill 4 times before (5.2 mile run), but I am only running for the purpose of burning fat and nothing else. This thread often gets confusing not unlike the main forum where a PLer asks a question and a BBer answers it :). Two different goals and comments often misunderstood.

..... Know what I mean?....

Thanks and yes I know what you mean. My comment was more for the challenge of repeatedly conquering "the bitch " of a hill. I wasn't trying to turn you into a distance runner. ;)

[dbx]

I wasn't trying to turn you into a distance runner. ;)

Phew!! For a second there.... :D

[thepainter5]

Phew!! For a second there.... :D

I know what you mean. It sounds like you have as much of a chance at becoming a distance runner as I have at becoming a ballerina. http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x122/victory_red_SS/GIFS/angry.gifhttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x122/victory_red_SS/GIFS/1.gif

[dbx]

Back for more abuse. I've been treating Sunday as an off day for 12wks, but today I decided I just had to run. It's a sickness :eek:

I ran 2.6 miles outdoors (gorgeous weather again, as expected). My joints were feeling yesterday's 3.9 miles, so I felt I was doing good to complete 2.6. I came in an immediately hit the TM for speed walking (4.0) for 25mins/1.50 miles. So, a tad over 4 miles all together and a good way to start the day.

[bhaputi]

It definitely is a gorgeous day here in KY. Heading out the door to do 5 miles along the river soon....

[bhaputi]

Wound up doing 5.11 in about 44 minutes. Nice easy run along the river. Kinda cool that I crossed state lines 4 times in my run :)

[rpaul11]

Wound up doing 5.11 in about 44 minutes. Nice easy run along the river. Kinda cool that I crossed state lines 4 times in my run :)

nice run. Hopefully our good weather will stick around so I can run outdoors this week.

[bhaputi]

rpaul - I hope so too. Tomorrow we are supposed to see almost 70 :)
Of course, tomorrow is a non-running day, but I may sneak one in anyways - extra mileage will not hurt, and will likely help with my impending half-marathon....

[rpaul11]

rpaul - I hope so too. Tomorrow we are supposed to see almost 70 :)
Of course, tomorrow is a non-running day, but I may sneak one in anyways - extra mileage will not hurt, and will likely help with my impending half-marathon....

it should be in the 50's here, which is just fine. ANd no rain in the forecast. I did not run today as I twas my leg day and I usually just do a short cardio session afterwards.

[thepainter5]

Today I ran a 5.4 mile run and I finished it up feeling pretty good. Seeing as my training schedule for the half officially starts tomorrow, I am feeling much more comfortable running after the past two weeks.
Part of me misses riding the bike in front of a good action movie but that won't get me to the finish line in one piece.

[bhaputi]

thepainter5 - which half marathon are you running?

[thepainter5]

thepainter5 - which half marathon are you running?

I am running the Vancouver International Marathon's Half on May 3rd as well as the ScotiaBank Vancouver Half on June 28th.
Which/where half are you training for?

[bhaputi]

I am running the Vancouver International Marathon's Half on May 3rd as well as the ScotiaBank Vancouver Half on June 28th.
Which/where half are you training for?

The Flying Pig in Cincinnati, Ohio. My first half ever.

[thepainter5]

I remember my first time.....you will enjoy the feeling of crossing the finish line. Enjoy your training and let us know how it progresses. :)

[MuscleSouth]

I have ran the last 2 days even though I am sick as hell and have an ear infection.

I believe I'm taking today off though because I feel a little dizzy, I think my equilibrium is off a bit from the ear infection.

[thepainter5]

Hopefully a rest today will do you good and help you be ready for tomorrow.

[rpaul11]

sorry to hear about the ear. that would explain the dizziness. Sometimes a day or 2 rest is for the best.

Ran 2 miles today in 17 minutes outdoors. Beautiful day, but I forgot my Ipod :mad: and damn it was a hard run today ...just one of those things.

[MuscleSouth]

Hopefully a rest today will do you good and help you be ready for tomorrow.


sorry to hear about the ear. that would explain the dizziness. Sometimes a day or 2 rest is for the best.

Ran 2 miles today in 17 minutes outdoors. Beautiful day, but I forgot my Ipod :mad: and damn it was a hard run today ...just one of those things.

Thanks gents

[thepainter5]

I just got back from todays run, a 3.3 mile effort. Today was supposed to be a rest day following yesterday's run but I couldn't resist the sunshine.
I am seeing the time for these 3.3 runs fall a bit more each time. I thinks my legs might be starting to remember how much they like running. :)

[dbx]

I believe I'm taking today off though because I feel a little dizzy, I think my equilibrium is off a bit from the ear infection.

Good idea to stay away for a day. When it comes to ear infections...I could write a book. Thankfully, it's be solved for me. Hope you feel better soon.



Ran 2 miles today in 17 minutes outdoors. Beautiful day, but I forgot my Ipod :mad: and damn it was a hard run today ...just one of those things.

Hard run? As in, didn't feel good? Geez, I wish my hard runs resulted in 8:30 min miles :p


I just got back from todays run, a 3.3 mile effort. Today was supposed to be a rest day following yesterday's run but I couldn't resist the sunshine.
I am seeing the time for these 3.3 runs fall a bit more each time. I thinks my legs might be starting to remember how much they like running. :)

Good run, and glad to see positive results!

I should receive my new toy tomorrow afternoon (HR monitor). Just having a new toy should help keep me focused and psyched to run for a while :).

[rpaul11]

Hard run? As in, didn't feel good? Geez, I wish my hard runs resulted in 8:30 min miles :p




never got in a rhythm, legs hurt, lungs hurt...just one of those days :)

[dbx]

never got in a rhythm, legs hurt, lungs hurt...just one of those days :)

Yeah, that was me on Sunday. But still, your time was excellent for you, no?

[rpaul11]

Yeah, that was me on Sunday. But still, your time was excellent for you, no?

it was a pretty good time....yes. It's funny...when I run this route at the park (relatively flat) I get my best times. Better than on the treadmill for sure.

[thepainter5]

...Good run, and glad to see positive results!
I should receive my new toy tomorrow afternoon (HR monitor). Just having a new toy should help keep me focused and psyched to run for a while :).Thanks.
Are you going with one with the chest strap? I have considered one but I am afraid the chest strap would be a distraction for me.


never got in a rhythm, legs hurt, lungs hurt...just one of those days :)

I thought the hard run was because of the lack of IPOD. My bad as I find music to keep me focused as well as company along the way.

[rpaul11]

I thought the hard run was because of the lack of IPOD. My bad as I find music to keep me focused as well as company along the way.

well, that definitely didnt help :D

[dbx]

Are you going with one with the chest strap? I have considered one but I am afraid the chest strap would be a distraction for me.

Yes, with a strap. Trust me, I tried my best to avoid it for the very same reason you cited. However, after researching it I found no complaints about it. I started a 2 page thread in the main forum about this, lol. It's still on page 2 right now. This is what I'm getting; http://www.thatshealthy.com/Timex_Personal_Pacer_Heart_Rate_Monitor_5G971_p/t5g971.htm?Click=2529&engine=Floogle Although this site doesn't actually have them. It is perfectly "simple", with only basic features that I care about, and it also has a large easy to read face. Timex actually has several models that I would have chosen over other brands, but I settled with this model.

Bottom line: reviews on Timex beat Polar hands down on a couple of key points; cost, battery life, and battery replacement cost. Times is approx $30 less than Polar and you can change your own batteries when needed. I swear that almost ever damn review on Polar was positive about their product (accuracy, features, etc..), but almost everyone complained of the battery MAYBE lasting one year...and then costing as much as $50 because you have to send the damn thing back to the company to change it!

Anyway, I'll let you guys know in a few days what I think of it. Hell, I might even get really crazy and buy myself an Ipod or some other MP3 player :eek: :D. Of course, there's probably a couple laying around here that nobody uses.

Hey, serious question: I sweat like I've been thrown in a pool when I run. Seriously. Would Ipod ear buds survive this? This is part of the reason I've never used one. The other reason? So I can hear myself gasping for air :).

[rpaul11]

Hey, serious question: I sweat like I've been thrown in a pool when I run. Seriously. Would Ipod ear buds survive this? This is part of the reason I've never used one. The other reason? So I can hear myself gasping for air :).

I don't like the ear buds that came with the ipod as they always fall out on me. I have a 15 dollar pair that hook over your ears...but yes...they will be fine if they stay in......I sweat quite a bit also.

[dbx]

I don't like the ear buds that came with the ipod as they always fall out on me. I have a 15 dollar pair that hook over your ears...but yes...they will be fine if they stay in......I sweat quite a bit also.

If they stay in? IOW, not great either?

Oh, and I should really share this too. I sent this to another member via PM earlier who had participated in my thread about HR monitors. This conversation took place about 5hrs ago :D

"Just got off the phone with my oldest son, and I informed him that,

Dad: I bought a HR monitor to use while running.

Son: You know that watch I gave you before to wear so you could time yourself? That's what that is.

Dad: Oh, OK, but that doesn't have a chest strap.

Son: That's up in my room.

Dad: Damn it!! Hmmm..Oregon Scientific....I'll bet it's not very accurate.

Son: I paid $100 back in HS for it, and it worked pretty good. Just hated the strap slipping down so often.

Dad: Damn it! I could have just replaced your batteries and saved $60.

Sure enough, I Google it and see Amazon actually carries their brand (never even saw them the other day), and that the reviews are very good. And the damn things are only like, $39!!!"

But truly, no real regret for ordering the Timex. Just funny about the communication :)>

[rpaul11]

If they stay in? IOW, not great either?

Oh, and I should really share this too. I sent this to another member via PM earlier who had participated in my thread about HR monitors. This conversation took place about 5hrs ago :D

"Just got off the phone with my oldest son, and I informed him that,

Dad: I bought a HR monitor to use while running.

Son: You know that watch I gave you before to wear so you could time yourself? That's what that is.

Dad: Oh, OK, but that doesn't have a chest strap.

Son: That's up in my room.

Dad: Damn it!! Hmmm..Oregon Scientific....I'll bet it's not very accurate.

Son: I paid $100 back in HS for it, and it worked pretty good. Just hated the strap slipping down so often.

Dad: Damn it! I could have just replaced your batteries and saved $60.

Sure enough, I Google it and see Amazon actually carries their brand (never even saw them the other day), and that the reviews are very good. And the damn things are only like, $39!!!"

But truly, no real regret for ordering the Timex. Just funny about the communication :)>

I'll give ya 15 bucks for the one yer son gave ya :D

[dbx]

I'll give ya 15 bucks for the one yer son gave ya :D

He only "loaned" me the watch portion to use as a stopwatch 2yrs ago when I first started and was preparing for my 1st 5K. Know what's worse? I picked that damn thing up and looked at it yesterday because it looked like most of the HR watches I was looking at :rolleyes: LOFL. I asked him where he got $100 back in 9th grade. My son said, "you and mom bought it for me as a x-mas present back in HS." :D. You know how that **** is sometimes :o

He said he used it a lot when he was doing cross country practices. His monitor WAS "advanced" for back then, but the same model can be found for cheap now. Yet, it still has almost the same features of the one I'm getting.

[rpaul11]

. My son said, "you and mom bought it for me as a x-mas present back in HS." :D. You know how that **** is sometimes :o

I have no idea what you are talking about
;)

[marmadukemas]

Today I ran a 5.4 mile run and I finished it up feeling pretty good. Seeing as my training schedule for the half officially starts tomorrow, I am feeling much more comfortable running after the past two weeks.
Part of me misses riding the bike in front of a good action movie but that won't get me to the finish line in one piece.

Hey nice job on the run, what was your time? What race you doing again?

I got about 4.5 miles in today myself, it was a beautilfu cool and crisp day to run. Lifting tomrrow.

I like riding my bike in the early morning too, sometimes I like to watch the news, but you are right an action movie makes time fly.

[thepainter5]

Yes, with a strap....
Anyway, I'll let you guys know in a few days what I think of it. Hell, I might even get really crazy and buy myself an Ipod or some other MP3 player :eek: :D. Of course, there's probably a couple laying around here that nobody uses.....I look forward to reading your review.




I don't like the ear buds that came with the ipod as they always fall out on me. I have a 15 dollar pair that hook over your ears...but yes...they will be fine if they stay in......I sweat quite a bit also.
I agree about the ear buds. To much of a pain. I just buy the over the head, sit in the ear headphones and keep them in place by wearing a ball cap.
dbx, as for sweating, on very long runs I notice when the sweat wants to run into my ears and I just give it wipe. It may happen 1-2 times in a half marathon. Yes I know you aren't going to run that far. :p



Hey nice job on the run, what was your time? What race you doing again?

I got about 4.5 miles in today myself, it was a beautilfu cool and crisp day to run. Lifting tomrrow.

I like riding my bike in the early morning too, sometimes I like to watch the news, but you are right an action movie makes time fly.

Right now I am running just a touch over 10 minute miles but it has only been 16 days since I started running again. I expect to run the half in just under 2 hours in the beginning of May. This one will be the half at the Vancouver International Marathon.

Action movies are great to pass the time and get me revved up on the bike. Sadly riding won't help me with the half so hit the road I must.

[dbx]

I look forward to reading your review.

I agree about the ear buds. To much of a pain. I just buy the over the head, sit in the ear headphones and keep them in place by wearing a ball cap.
dbx, as for sweating, on very long runs I notice when the sweat wants to run into my ears and I just give it wipe. It may happen 1-2 times in a half marathon. Yes I know you aren't going to run that far. :p

Man, I couldn't wear a ball cap. I mean, heat escapes through the top of our heads, so wearing a hat would probably make me drown :eek:. So indeed, it sounds like there's not really a good practical choice here? Ear buds are out, over the head band bounces, and the ear hook things don't always stay in place? I guess that takes me back to square one; listening to nature.

[dbx]

Tuesday. Back to lifting yesterday, but today was cardio. 3.9 miles in 37:50 (actually wore a stopwatch today). I could have sworn I was running much slower than that. Not that it's fast, lol, but I was just surprised when I saw my 2nd lap time, and then overall time. I really, really suck at even coming close to guessing my pace. It was a hard run today, like Sunday was. My calves felt swollen by the start of 3rd lap. I was thinking it was the shorter stride maybe? Anyway, just trudged through it and I'm done :).

[Ophus]

Man, I couldn't wear a ball cap. I mean, heat escapes through the top of our heads, so wearing a hat would probably make me drown :eek:. So indeed, it sounds like there's not really a good practical choice here? Ear buds are out, over the head band bounces, and the ear hook things don't always stay in place? I guess that takes me back to square one; listening to nature.

I dont know how you run with out a cap, I have to wear a boggin or cap, so the sweat doesnt get in my eyes. If I go out for a run without something, I can't see when I get back and my eyes are awful red. I do wear those hats made with wicking material like underarmour or nike, really tight against my head seems to stay about as cool as no hat.

[spring85sigma]

I dont know how you run with out a cap, I have to wear a boggin or cap, so the sweat doesnt get in my eyes. If I go out for a run without something, I can't see when I get back and my eyes are awful red. I do wear those hats made with wicking material like underarmour or nike, really tight against my head seems to stay about as cool as no hat.

Greetings everyone! I hope everyone is having a great week! I was following the "ear bud" conversation and was glad to know that I wasn't the only one who stopped using them! They don't stay in! I went back to the over the head earphones. I found some that are adjustable and can be adjusted to stay on. I haven't had any more problems.

As far as my runs go. They've been pretty good. Yesterday, I did a 24:05 3 mile and just finished a 16:43 2 mile because I just couldn't quite get the rhythm today!

[Ophus]

Greetings everyone! I hope everyone is having a great week! I was following the "ear bud" conversation and was glad to know that I wasn't the only one who stopped using them! They don't stay in! I went back to the over the head earphones. I found some that are adjustable and can be adjusted to stay on. I haven't had any more problems.

As far as my runs go. They've been pretty good. Yesterday, I did a 24:05 3 mile and just finished a 16:43 2 mile because I just couldn't quite get the rhythm today!

My experience has been that all of the newer earbuds wont stay in my ears. I guess they have tried to make them more comfortable, but in my opinion they have made them less so, as they fall out constantly. I even have trouble with them while wearing a tight boggin. I have one pair that came with the orginal ipod that my wife bought me many years ago. They look like they would be uncomfortable with hard edges and no curves, but they are not and will stay put in my ears for hours on a run. If I ever see anymore of these, I will buy as many as I can.

One last tip that seems to help a little, is those foam covers that use come standard with earbuds, but dont anymore. They stay put better for me if I use a couple of those.

[runner05]

My experience has been that all of the newer earbuds wont stay in my ears. I guess they have tried to make them more comfortable, but in my opinion they have made them less so, as they fall out constantly. I even have trouble with them while wearing a tight boggin. I have one pair that came with the orginal ipod that my wife bought me many years ago. They look like they would be uncomfortable with hard edges and no curves, but they are not and will stay put in my ears for hours on a run. If I ever see anymore of these, I will buy as many as I can.

One last tip that seems to help a little, is those foam covers that use come standard with earbuds, but dont anymore. They stay put better for me if I use a couple of those.

I also use the ear buds that originally came w/ my ipod shuffle and they work great... :)

[marmadukemas]

Good evening everyone! Today was my weight day, got up a lot earlier than usual (5:30) so I was pretty beat when I lifted at noon. I got through most of my workout, but right at the end ran out of gas on my shoulder presses. I had pushed chest & tris already and just didn't have it in me, had to lower weight to get through the set.

Tomorrow I hope to be able to run my 5 mile loop, but it's pretty cold and may rain. We'll see, I may opt to run covered stairs in the outdoor parking lot, I've been wanting to do that for a while now.


Right now I am running just a touch over 10 minute miles but it has only been 16 days since I started running again. I expect to run the half in just under 2 hours in the beginning of May. This one will be the half at the Vancouver International Marathon.

Action movies are great to pass the time and get me revved up on the bike. Sadly riding won't help me with the half so hit the road I must.

Hey that should be a beautiful race, Vancouver is such a nice town. I'm just down south of there myself, but no way I could run a marathon this year, I just can't commit to that much traning :D. Your pace sounds good, and I totally understand that you can't be biking with a race like that on the horizon.


Man, I couldn't wear a ball cap. I mean, heat escapes through the top of our heads, so wearing a hat would probably make me drown :eek:. So indeed, it sounds like there's not really a good practical choice here? Ear buds are out, over the head band bounces, and the ear hook things don't always stay in place? I guess that takes me back to square one; listening to nature.

He he, nice problem to have! I had to wear a beanie for my run Monday, it was 26 degrees, and snowing.


Tuesday. Back to lifting yesterday, but today was cardio. 3.9 miles in 37:50 (actually wore a stopwatch today). I could have sworn I was running much slower than that. Not that it's fast, lol, but I was just surprised when I saw my 2nd lap time, and then overall time. I really, really suck at even coming close to guessing my pace. It was a hard run today, like Sunday was. My calves felt swollen by the start of 3rd lap. I was thinking it was the shorter stride maybe? Anyway, just trudged through it and I'm done :).

Way to get through it! I hate laps myself, and think I probably run slower going in circles, what about you?


My experience has been that all of the newer earbuds wont stay in my ears. I guess they have tried to make them more comfortable, but in my opinion they have made them less so, as they fall out constantly. I even have trouble with them while wearing a tight boggin. I have one pair that came with the orginal ipod that my wife bought me many years ago. They look like they would be uncomfortable with hard edges and no curves, but they are not and will stay put in my ears for hours on a run. If I ever see anymore of these, I will buy as many as I can.

One last tip that seems to help a little, is those foam covers that use come standard with earbuds, but dont anymore. They stay put better for me if I use a couple of those.

I use a pair of buds I picked up at radio shack that have an over the ear hanger that keeps them in place. The problem I have with ear buds is the sweat eventually shorts them out, that happen to anyone else?

[dbx]

Good evening everyone! Today was my weight day, got up a lot earlier than usual (5:30) so I was pretty beat when I lifted at noon. I got through most of my workout, but right at the end ran out of gas on my shoulder presses. I had pushed chest & tris already and just didn't have it in me, had to lower weight to get through the set.

At least you worked through it.


I hate laps myself, and think I probably run slower going in circles, what about you?

You might be right, but the only time I've ever run just one big loop was in an actual 5K. But yeah, running in my neighborhood gets old quick. I just don't have many choices.


I use a pair of buds I picked up at radio shack that have an over the ear hanger that keeps them in place. The problem I have with ear buds is the sweat eventually shorts them out, that happen to anyone else?

This was my whole point. No way I could wear them the way I sweat.

[rpaul11]

I did a quick 2 last night followed by a 20 minute walk.

[MuscleSouth]

I also use the ear buds that originally came w/ my ipod shuffle and they work great... :)

I use the kind that hook behind the ear, of course I only need one so I cut the other one off.

[rpaul11]

I use the kind that hook behind the ear, of course I only need one so I cut the other one off.

did it bleed much?



oh...you mean ear bud :o :D

[dbx]

did it bleed much?



oh...you mean ear bud :o :D

Oh, I'm still waiting for his clarification too! :eek:


:D

[runner05]

did it bleed much?



oh...you mean ear bud :o :D


Oh, I'm still waiting for his clarification too! :eek:


:D

Silly boys... I believe he is deaf in one ear so didn't need two ear buds! He did not just cut the ear off... just the listening device! :D LOL

[rpaul11]

Silly boys... I believe he is deaf in one ear so didn't need two ear buds! He did not just cut the ear off... just the listening device! :D LOL

I thought an ear was a listening device :D

[runner05]

I thought an ear was a listening device :D

:rolleyes:

[MuscleSouth]

did it bleed much?



oh...you mean ear bud :o :D


Oh, I'm still waiting for his clarification too! :eek:


:D


Silly boys... I believe he is deaf in one ear so didn't need two ear buds! He did not just cut the ear off... just the listening device! :D LOL

LOL yeah I should have clarified.

I have both ears but one doesn't work at all and the other only works at 40%.

I am hearing impaired.

LOL you men crack me up.

[dbx]

LOL you men crack me up.

Well, we try ;). Thanks for clearing that up. I had ear problems from early 20's to just over 40. I had at least a dozen myringotomies (sp) done in that span. No joke. I lost count. Now? I have two permanent holes in both eardrums, which would be a nightmare for most, but is a godsend for me.

[MuscleSouth]

Well, we try ;). Thanks for clearing that up. I had ear problems from early 20's to just over 40. I had at least a dozen myringotomies (sp) done in that span. No joke. I lost count. Now? I have two permanent holes in both eardrums, which would be a nightmare for most, but is a godsend for me.

I had those when I was small, it helped for a while to relieve the pressure.

My left ear has no Incus bone, and my right ear has a flat eustachian tube so it won't drain fluid.

[dbx]

...and my right ear has a flat eustachian tube so it won't drain fluid.

Which is/was my primary problem. And yeah, this usually only happens to younger males. Lucky me.

[marmadukemas]

Good evening everyone, today was my run day. The forcast called for rain, but they were wrong. It stormed all morning, and then broke about 12:30 as I was going to the gym. Temperature was cool, about 48, but turned out to be a perfect 4.5 mi run. Tomorrow is weights: back/legs/bis


I did a quick 2 last night followed by a 20 minute walk.

nice job rpaul, hope you had a gret run too! How's the recovery coming along? Are you doing any other PT?


LOL yeah I should have clarified.

I have both ears but one doesn't work at all and the other only works at 40%.

I am hearing impaired.

LOL you men crack me up.

That was pretty funny, good to hear you didn't pull a Van Gogh :D

[rpaul11]

nice job rpaul, hope you had a gret run too! How's the recovery coming along? Are you doing any other PT?



It was a decent run. Felt good even for a TM run. I am doing other PT. So it is coming along...just not as fast as I want it to. :D

I see the surgeon tomorrow.

[dbx]

This will be long, but I hope to get some feedback from anyone experienced with it and/or just wanting to comment.

First day using my HRM for running, for which it was intended. I am as puzzled as ever about this thing. They are reportedly highly accurate. Perhaps I didn't do my 2 max HR "calculating exercises" quite right (didn't really warm up as suggested), and/or didn't give myself credit for being in the elite category of being "fit" when you add corresponding numbers. I ended up splitting the difference between "excellent" (155 max BPM) and "Fit" (max 165 BPM) to arrive at 160. After using it for a regular workout yesterday, I suspected that staying in the "fat burning" zone (60%-70%) might be difficult for me. I was right.

As soon as I left, doing what I'd call jogging, I was already above the 70% rate of someone with a max HR of 175. By the time I reached "the bitch" (the hill I've told you guys about), I was pushing 150's. I don't think I ever dropped below 140 after the hill, and on my second trip up the hill, I hit 168 BPM!. Even with a max HR of 185 I'd be touching redline (90%) at 168.

I decided to walk, run, jog, walk, etc.. just to cover more distance. As I was approaching my last portion of just over 4 miles and close to my house, I ran about as all out as I could muster. Sure enough, I drove the HR to 170 BPM :eek:.

So my questions are... wtf? :D. But seriously, lets' say my HR max is actually 170; is it possible to actually drive your HR to your max for short periods? It may sound stupid, but I'd almost think we'd never see true max rate except in case of...hell...I don't know. And is it OK to drive it to max for short bursts like that? Normal to do this?

As I type this, I'm convinced I didn't initially calculate properly. If I had gone with the "excellent category" after NOT doing their exercise properly, 155 doesn't even show up on their chart. 160 is the starting point. Also, using the math method of 220-age (as they said not to rely on) makes more sense at 170 for me. And hell, I saw 170 and it was recorded.

And one last observation that is interesting to me was this; today I ran 2 miles straight, then did the walk/run/jog thing. My average HR was 131. Yesterday, while doing high rep squats with a lot of effort, 130 was my highest reading. I probably could have pushed a bit harder, but not too much, as I wasn't far from dizziness.

EDIT: Just for the record, ever since I started running....I use approx 100mg of caffeine for any run (like today), but in the past when thinking I was doing jogging I would use as much as 300mg.

[runner05]

Interesting, Kevin! :) However, I can't be of much help to you 'cuz I really go more on what my body tells me than the heart rate... which I'm never sure is accurate on my TM... but, I did check it a couple of nights ago when I was feeling like I was maxed and I was at 173... :o I do try to use the 220-age for my max and apparently that's pretty darn close for me. When I'm in my "zone" and running regularly... I usually run right around 140-150... which would be at 80-85% for me. That is def not the "fat burning" zone and, if that's optimally where you want to be, you need to be doing a fast walk or VERY slow run. Actually RUNNING is more cardio than fat burning, for sure... but, I love it so I can't stop... :D

[freebirdmac]

It's very possible to drive your heart rate to max hr, you probably do that more often than you realize. The danger is how long you are at max and if you have a physical condition that could come into play at max hr. My understanding is above 85% lactic acid is produced in greater quantities that your body can get rid of it. You also may have the muscles and lungs for such strenuous activity, but your heart may not be in as good a shape. You're pretty much out of every training zone once you exceed 85%. It'd be interesting to see what your numbers are minus the caffeine.

I've experienced the same wtf between cardio and squats. Where on the machine I can be at the same hr as after a set a squats but feel completely different. My guess is the body adapts during steady state cardio. One's cardio-respiratory system initially responds inefficiently then settles down to a more efficient output. That doesn't happen with squats. There's no time to adapt. So during a set the cardio-respiratory response is pretty inefficient.

If you can get a thallium stress test that would be great! You can interact with the cardiologist during the stress test, find out your hr during the test, and from the results know what your max hr really is and what it really means.

[dbx]

Interesting, Kevin! :) However, I can't be of much help to you 'cuz I really go more on what my body tells me than the heart rate... which I'm never sure is accurate on my TM... but, I did check it a couple of nights ago when I was feeling like I was maxed and I was at 173... :o I do try to use the 220-age for my max and apparently that's pretty darn close for me. When I'm in my "zone" and running regularly... I usually run right around 140-150... which would be at 80-85% for me. That is def not the "fat burning" zone and, if that's optimally where you want to be, you need to be doing a fast walk or VERY slow run. Actually RUNNING is more cardio than fat burning, for sure... but, I love it so I can't stop... :D

Thanks Runner. I understand the going by body thing, as that's obviously what I've always done up until I got this new toy :). HRMs on TM's are notoriously off the mark. Yesterday after workout, I hit the TM for speed walking and the TM said 118, as opposed to 106 on my new HR. 12 is a considerable difference. But beside that, the TM is always erratic. I guess I initially thought I could "jog" and be in the 60%-70% zone, but I now see that it's not possible. But trust me, I'll never quit running. It appears that I've always been running in the anaerobic zone :)


It's very possible to drive your heart rate to max hr, you probably do that more often than you realize. The danger is how long you are at max and if you have a physical condition that could come into play at max hr. My understanding is above 85% lactic acid is produced in greater quantities that your body can get rid of it. You also may have the muscles and lungs for such strenuous activity, but your heart may not be in as good a shape. You're pretty much out of every training zone once you exceed 85%. It'd be interesting to see what your numbers are minus the caffeine.

I assume you meant that body cannot rid itself of lactic acid? But yeah, this is the kind of info I was really looking for; driving and keeping at max HR. That makes sense.


I've experienced the same wtf between cardio and squats. Where on the machine I can be at the same hr as after a set a squats but feel completely different. My guess is the body adapts during steady state cardio. One's cardio-respiratory system initially responds inefficiently then settles down to a more efficient output. That doesn't happen with squats. There's no time to adapt. So during a set the cardio-respiratory response is pretty inefficient.

Yes, this is definitely an interesting difference between the two types of exercise. I also recalculated my max HR a while ago and this time, I warmed up first. I also used the highest "fit" category to add with. Indeed, it brought it up to right at 170 BPM for final calc. Makes sense.


If you can get a thallium stress test that would be great! You can interact with the cardiologist during the stress test, find out your hr during the test, and from the results know what your max hr really is and what it really means.

In all probability, I won't have the luxury of this option without a good reason to visit. I'm guess I'm good just having some fun with it and making some observations. Geez, makes me wonder what my avg HR was when I was still smoking and running sprints to prepare for my 1st 5K. I often joked about feeling like I knew when to cut back...when I thought I was going to have a stroke if I didn't :).

[freebirdmac]

I assume you meant that body cannot rid itself of lactic acid? But yeah, this is the kind of info I was really looking for; driving and keeping at max HR. That makes sense.


D'oh. Yep, the body cannot rid itself of lactic acid. Damn fingers can't keep up with the brain.

[dbx]

D'oh. Yep, the body cannot rid itself of lactic acid. Damn fingers can't keep up with the brain.

I only pointed it out so you'd know I was paying attention ;).

I'm grateful for your input. I plan of reading about it a little more when I have a chance.

[rpaul11]

You really got me there Kevin. I know when I use the monitor on the treadmill in the gym when I jog I am usually closer to 80% max than 65%. For me to keep it at 65% max HR according to the 220-age I generally have to walk at 3.5 mph on about a 6% incline. So nothing overly strenuous but enough to break a sweat if that makes sense.

As for going to 100% max I have no clue if that is possible, probable, etc.

[dbx]

You really got me there Kevin. I know when I use the monitor on the treadmill in the gym when I jog I am usually closer to 80% max than 65%. For me to keep it at 65% max HR according to the 220-age I generally have to walk at 3.5 mph on about a 6% incline. So nothing overly strenuous but enough to break a sweat if that makes sense.

As for going to 100% max I have no clue if that is possible, probable, etc.

Yep, it appears that probably none of us that run could possibly even jog and stay in the "fat burning zone".

And to whoever might be reading this, please understand; I'm not looking for the perfect speed to burn fat, the perfect HR% to burn fat, I know we're all different and have different max HRs, etc... I already kinda know those things. I was looking more for specifics on what a max HR is exactly, and what its parameters are, so to speak.

FreebirdMac actually answered a good piece of it for me, and I have since done some on-line research and believe I have what I was after :).

Thanks for your input!

[rpaul11]

OK DBX...I know this is not what you are looking for, but I was watching my HR tonight while running 3 miles at the gym. Of course this is on a TM HR monitor of course. I ran continuously at 6 mph (10 min mile for all the math majors :D )

Anyway...at .75 miles I tested my HR. it was 165 :eek: I was thinking...kinda high. But breathing was pretty easy, and I was relaxed. Checked it again at 2 miles. It was now at 144 which is right in my 80% zone. It remained between 142 and 144 for the remainder of the run as I checked about 4 more times in that last mile.

So for me it seems my body has an acclimation period where the heart races to possibly get oxygen to the muscles anticipating a major need based off of a switch from lifting to running, then as the realization came as to what the body needed the HR dropped into a more stable zone.

Does that seem like logical reasoning? :confused:

[dbx]

OK DBX...I know this is not what you are looking for, but I was watching my HR tonight while running 3 miles at the gym. Of course this is on a TM HR monitor of course. I ran continuously at 6 mph (10 min mile for all the math majors :D )

Anyway...at .75 miles I tested my HR. it was 165 :eek: I was thinking...kinda high. But breathing was pretty easy, and I was relaxed. Checked it again at 2 miles. It was now at 144 which is right in my 80% zone. It remained between 142 and 144 for the remainder of the run as I checked about 4 more times in that last mile.

So for me it seems my body has an acclimation period where the heart races to possibly get oxygen to the muscles anticipating a major need based off of a switch from lifting to running, then as the realization came as to what the body needed the HR dropped into a more stable zone.

Does that seem like logical reasoning? :confused:

What you experienced is absolutely normal. It's called a heart rate plateau, which takes a few laps to warm up and get there. I learned this yesterday while checking into it. This was another reason that my initial assessment of my max HR was off; I didn't warm-up as they suggested...because I didn't think it was important and they hadn't explained why I should do it. And I had found the same thing while running in my neighborhood. After "the hill" raised mine to 168, my rate never dropped below 140 afterward.

BTW, you should look at reassessing your max HR. I must say that the general math calculation does come very close for me, but I've adjusted it up 5 BPM by doing actual tests. And I can't over emphasize that a world authority on the subject insists that no random math formula can calculate your personal rate. No big deal in the scheme of things, but why not try to see what it really is....short of seeing a cardiologist.

[spring85sigma]

What you experienced is absolutely normal. It's called a heart rate plateau, which takes a few laps to warm up and get there. I learned this yesterday while checking into it. This was another reason that my initial assessment of my max HR was off; I didn't warm-up as they suggested...because I didn't think it was important and they hadn't explained why I should do it. And I had found the same thing while running in my neighborhood. After "the hill" raised mine to 168, my rate never dropped below 140 afterward.

BTW, you should look at reassessing your max HR. I must say that the general math calculation does come very close for me, but I've adjusted it up 5 BPM by doing actual tests. And I can't over emphasize that a world authority on the subject insists that no random math formula can calculate your personal rate. No big deal in the scheme of things, but why not try to see what it really is....short of seeing a cardiologist.

Reading this has been really helpful. When I had access to a gym and the means of checking my HR during cardio, I found that I could never stay within the MAX HR for my age. It worried me so I asked a trainer about this. He suggested that because of my physical condition, I was able to sustain a higher MAX HR. It was closer to that of a 30 year old at the time. I have no idea what it would be now, but generally go with how my body is feeling.

Yesterday's run was interesting btw. It was GORGEOUS, 65 degrees, BUT a 45 mph wind. It was a challenge pushing my 160 pound body up hills into that wind! LOL! :D I managed to run two miles in 17:05 and was glad for that!

Enjoy your weekends!

[runner05]

What you experienced is absolutely normal. It's called a heart rate plateau, which takes a few laps to warm up and get there.

THIS is exactly why the first mile is always the toughest, and then... at least sometimes... I feel I could almost go on forever... :D But, it does always happen w/ me... it takes my body a little while to figure out what I'm asking of it and then it adjusts.

[dbx]

Reading this has been really helpful. When I had access to a gym and the means of checking my HR during cardio, I found that I could never stay within the MAX HR for my age. It worried me so I asked a trainer about this. He suggested that because of my physical condition, I was able to sustain a higher MAX HR. It was closer to that of a 30 year old at the time. I have no idea what it would be now, but generally go with how my body is feeling.

Some of what you wrote sounds contradictory, but if I understand you correctly, you have misunderstood some things here; each person has a personal max HR. It is not determined[/i] by age, and does not change with age. So there's no such thing as having the HR of a 30yr old. And I don't believe it is known how long we could each actually stay within our own max hr range before heart failure.

Now, there are different levels of fitness. But again, age has nothing to do with it. Increasing VO2 levels is an example; it allows your body to say, run at a faster rate and be able to keep your HR lower than before you increased it and would run the same speed. However, your MAX HR will never change (unless you become very unfit). I realize that saying it can chnage due to being very unfit, would lead most to believe it can vary among different levels of fitness. However, fromw aht little I've read about it, it leads me to believe they're talking about a state of really being unhealthy as the possible exception.


Yesterday's run was interesting btw. It was GORGEOUS, 65 degrees, BUT a 45 mph wind. It was a challenge pushing my 160 pound body up hills into that wind! LOL! :D I managed to run two miles in 17:05 and was glad for that!


Good time of 17mins for 2! And I hear ya on the wind. Hell, I weigh 185 and can definitely feel even 15mph wind when I'm running into it!


THIS is exactly why the first mile is always the toughest, and then... at least sometimes... I feel I could almost go on forever... :D But, it does always happen w/ me... it takes my body a little while to figure out what I'm asking of it and then it adjusts.

Yes, that really makes sense. Once we reach that plateau I guess that's when we're sometimes lucky enough to catch that "autopilot" mode :).

[spring85sigma]

What you experienced is absolutely normal. It's called a heart rate plateau, which takes a few laps to warm up and get there. I learned this yesterday while checking into it. This was another reason that my initial assessment of my max HR was off; I didn't warm-up as they suggested...because I didn't think it was important and they hadn't explained why I should do it. And I had found the same thing while running in my neighborhood. After "the hill" raised mine to 168, my rate never dropped below 140 afterward.

BTW, you should look at reassessing your max HR. I must say that the general math calculation does come very close for me, but I've adjusted it up 5 BPM by doing actual tests. And I can't over emphasize that a world authority on the subject insists that no random math formula can calculate your personal rate. No big deal in the scheme of things, but why not try to see what it really is....short of seeing a cardiologist.


Some of what you wrote sounds contradictory, but if I understand you correctly, you have misunderstood some things here; each person has a personal max HR. It is not determined[/i] by age, and does not change with age. So there's no such thing as having the HR of a 30yr old. And I don't believe it is known how long we could each actually stay within our own max hr range before heart failure.

Now, there are different levels of fitness. But again, age has nothing to do with it. Increasing VO2 levels is an example; it allows your body to say, run at a faster rate and be able to keep your HR lower than before you increased it and would run the same speed. However, your MAX HR will never change (unless you become very unfit). I realize that saying it can chnage due to being very unfit, would lead most to believe it can vary among different levels of fitness. However, fromw aht little I've read about it, it leads me to believe they're talking about a state of really being unhealthy as the possible exception.



Good time of 17mins for 2! And I hear ya on the wind. Hell, I weigh 185 and can definitely feel even 15mph wind when I'm running into it!



Yes, that really makes sense. Once we reach that plateau I guess that's when we're sometimes lucky enough to catch that "autopilot" mode :).

I guess I "miswrote" LOL! :( :) I believe that the conversation touched upon the "formula" used to calculate max HR! You all can further correct me If I'm still mispeaking! When I was using the TM, there was a chart that could be used to calculate a "target" heart rate (perhaps this is the better term) to be maintained during cardio. This was based upon age. (e.g. 200- my age) What I was finding during those times was that the rate calculated based upon my age meant that I had to run at a MUCH LOWER speed than I was used to and as far as I was concerned, there would be no need to do the cardio. I should write that I also did much more cardio back then than I do now (50 minutes amounting to about 5 miles per day--TM pre-programmed course and Elliptical which I did intervals on). A trainer told me basically to ignore the chart. LOL! I hope I make more sense now! Have a great weekend!

[dbx]

I guess I "miswrote" LOL! :( :) I believe that the conversation touched upon the "formula" used to calculate max HR! You all can further correct me If I'm still mispeaking! When I was using the TM, there was a chart that could be used to calculate a "target" heart rate (perhaps this is the better term) to be maintained during cardio. This was based upon age. (e.g. 200- my age) What I was finding during those times was that the rate calculated based upon my age meant that I had to run at a MUCH LOWER speed than I was used to and as far as I was concerned, there would be no need to do the cardio. I should write that I also did much more cardio back then than I do now (50 minutes amounting to about 5 miles per day--TM pre-programmed course and Elliptical which I did intervals on). A trainer told me basically to ignore the chart. LOL! I hope I make more sense now! Have a great weekend!

Ah, OK, a formula using age, lol. Understood. However.... :D ....the determination that you could run for a "duration of a 30yr old" is still an erroneous statement by the trainer. Your ability to run in a different zone for "X" duration that would equate to what "a 30yr old should run" is merely giving credit to an arbitrary mathematical formula as being correct to begin with, but it is obviously not! In other words, your trainer used a kind of reverse logic, so to speak. Do you see what I mean?

[spring85sigma]

Ah, OK, a formula using age, lol. Understood. However.... :D ....the determination that you could run for a "duration of a 30yr old" is still an erroneous statement by the trainer. Your ability to run in a different zone for "X" duration that would equate to what "a 30yr old should run" is merely giving credit to an arbitrary mathematical formula as being correct to begin with, but it is obviously not! In other words, your trainer used a kind of reverse logic, so to speak. Do you see what I mean?

I see exactly what you mean which was why I was having trouble with the chart. I found as I became more fit, I was able to sustain a higher heart rate during my cardio. Although I suspect these formulas are based upon some statistical analysis as to what is "normal," they are not very accurate in dealing with "outliers." In this case that would be the "very fit" or the "very unfit."

The gym I used had treadmills that would check your heart rate at specific intervals. I programmed in my age and the target heart rate (I think then I was about 40). The treadmill would then adjust its speed based upon my heart rate. At some points I was almost walking and adjusted the speed upward! LOL! :) Now that I think about it, he looked at my heart rate and found the "age" that "fit" that rate and it was around 25-30 and suggested that I program the treadmill with age 30. Eventually, I started using the program courses.

[rpaul11]

What you experienced is absolutely normal. It's called a heart rate plateau, which takes a few laps to warm up and get there. I learned this yesterday while checking into it. This was another reason that my initial assessment of my max HR was off; I didn't warm-up as they suggested...because I didn't think it was important and they hadn't explained why I should do it. And I had found the same thing while running in my neighborhood. After "the hill" raised mine to 168, my rate never dropped below 140 afterward.

BTW, you should look at reassessing your max HR. I must say that the general math calculation does come very close for me, but I've adjusted it up 5 BPM by doing actual tests. And I can't over emphasize that a world authority on the subject insists that no random math formula can calculate your personal rate. No big deal in the scheme of things, but why not try to see what it really is....short of seeing a cardiologist.

how does one go about determining their actual max HR?

[spring85sigma]

I guess running in all of that wind on yesterday had a "training effect"! ;)Just finished my final 3 mile run for the week in 23:09. After about a mile everything settled down and I had a great run! :D

[Ophus]

Dbx,
It took me a while to get used to all of the heartrate info. By formula my max should be 180 I have measured my max several times at 196. When I run a 5k my avg usually runs about 180bpm, which is suppose to be my max. When it comes to the fat burning, I feel you should be looking at the overall avg heartrate of you run and not worry about the spikes.

Lactate threshold is another good one you guys mentioned, this is the point at which your body can no longer clear out the Lactic acid build up. With me that occurs at 180bpm which is why that is my fastest avg heartrate in a 5k. I cannot sustain higher avg heartrates because the fatigue holds you back at this point. The good news is unlike max heart rate you can increase the point at which you cross this threshold with training.

I also have a real problem staying in the lower heart rate zones, recovery runs which are so vital to increasing fitness, give me fits. I just struggle to keep my rate down there.

If you are interested here is a link to almost 2 years of data on me running and riding with heart rate info. You may have to register, but its free.
http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/network/digest/view.mb?keywordSearch=ophusl

[dbx]

how does one go about determining their actual max HR?

Rich, there are a few ways. This is the first link that came up for me the other day, and it just so happens to be written by the woman who wrote the booklet that Timex provided with the HRM: http://www.howtobefit.com/determine-maximum-heart-rate.htm


I guess running in all of that wind on yesterday had a "training effect"! ;)Just finished my final 3 mile run for the week in 23:09. After about a mile everything settled down and I had a great run! :D

Great run! Damn, impressive time!


Dbx,
It took me a while to get used to all of the heartrate info. By formula my max should be 180 I have measured my max several times at 196. When I run a 5k my avg usually runs about 180bpm, which is suppose to be my max.

But respectfully, your previously supposed max was obviously not correct. That is not debatable. It's another example of why using the old 220-age isn't reliable. As far as running an avg at 180....damn, that would almost have to mean you have at least a max HR of 200 (I would think), and even then, you'd be in the redline zone....for approx 20mins (assuming you're a fast runner in a 5K :)).


When it comes to the fat burning, I feel you should be looking at the overall avg heartrate of you run and not worry about the spikes.

Grrrr.... OK, once again, I'm not concerned with this so much for fat burning, as much as I'm just fascinated by the new information I'm learning :).


Lactate threshold is another good one you guys mentioned, this is the point at which your body can no longer clear out the Lactic acid build up. With me that occurs at 180bpm which is why that is my fastest avg heartrate in a 5k. I cannot sustain higher avg heartrates because the fatigue holds you back at this point.

Yep, FBM shared this earlier.



The good news is unlike max heart rate you can increase the point at which you cross this threshold with training.

Also mentioned previously, and realistically the goal to shoot for when doing what we do.



If you are interested here is a link to almost 2 years of data on me running and riding with heart rate info. You may have to register, but its free.
http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/network/digest/view.mb?keywordSearch=ophusl

I will check it out later when I have some time. Thanks for the input.

[dbx]

Just ran 3.8 miles with my youngest son again. It looks like we may make this a habit on Saturdays :). It's great having someone to run with! When you feel whipped, just knowing that someone next to you is also huffing and puffing makes me feel competitive somehow...I guess :).

Some new observations about HR:
Today was the first time I've run without caffeine in me since....almost 3yrs ago when I started running. No joke. Not having any, made my resting HR 10 BPM lower (it was approx 56 standing). This allowed me to actually run in or just a couple beats above the temperate zone (60%-70%) for 1/2mi before reaching the heart rate plateau I mentioned earlier. The first run up the hill found my HR 10 BPM lower without caffeine too. However, that all changed by the second lap. I spiked right on up to 165 on the hill in lap #2.

My avg HR for 3.2 miles was 137, and I'd estimate it to be right at a 10 min mile pace. My son wanted to test his max HR, and I wanted to see if I could re-verify mine was 175. So, after the 3.2 we both ran back .3mi and then sprinted in the last 100yrds or so. Indeed, I hit 170 again (to which you add 5 BPM to because of physical limitations after running a 5K) and he hit 198, which gives him 203....about what we figured when we tested him last night.

Anyway, boring stuff for most here probably, but interesting to others I hope :). Enjoy your weekends.

[rpaul11]

Just ran 3.8 miles with my youngest son again. It looks like we may make this a habit on Saturdays :). It's great having someone to run with! When you feel whipped, just knowing that someone next to you is also huffing and puffing makes me feel competitive somehow...I guess :).

Some new observations about HR:
Today was the first time I've run without caffeine in me since....almost 3yrs ago when I started running. No joke. Not having any, made my resting HR 10 BPM lower (it was approx 56 standing). This allowed me to actually run in or just a couple beats above the temperate zone (60%-70%) for 1/2mi before reaching the heart rate plateau I mentioned earlier. The first run up the hill found my HR 10 BPM lower without caffeine too. However, that all changed by the second lap. I spiked right on up to 165 on the hill in lap #2.

My avg HR for 3.2 miles was 137, and I'd estimate it to be right at a 10 min mile pace. My son wanted to test his max HR, and I wanted to see if I could re-verify mine was 175. So, after the 3.2 we both ran back .3mi and then sprinted in the last 100yrds or so. Indeed, I hit 170 again (to which you add 5 BPM to because of physical limitations after running a 5K) and he hit 198, which gives him 203....about what we figured when we tested him last night.

Anyway, boring stuff for most here probably, but interesting to others I hope :). Enjoy your weekends.
interesting for sure.

Maybe part of the "having a running partner to keep you motivated" has to do with the competitiveness between you and your children. You don't wanna give in and have him give you hell :D

[dbx]

interesting for sure.

Maybe part of the "having a running partner to keep you motivated" has to do with the competitiveness between you and your children. You don't wanna give in and have him give you hell :D

LOL. He was actually feeling "beaten" last night when we were doing 2 exercise tests to assess max HR. When he realized that my HR BPMs were much lower than his, I could see it in his eyes that he felt inferior somehow :D. I finally got him to understand how HRs cannot be fairly compared as apples to apples like that, and that we were both using the same approx % of effort doing the same exercises despite having different HRs.

There is competitiveness among us, but there is also a strong feeling of belonging to a "pack", so to speak. Both sons are impressed that dad can hang with them.

[Ophus]

Rich, there are a few ways. This is the first link that came up for me the other day, and it just so happens to be written by the woman who wrote the booklet that Timex provided with the HRM: http://www.howtobefit.com/determine-maximum-heart-rate.htm



Great run! Damn, impressive time!



But respectfully, your previously supposed max was obviously not correct. That is not debatable. It's another example of why using the old 220-age isn't reliable. As far as running an avg at 180....damn, that would almost have to mean you have at least a max HR of 200 (I would think), and even then, you'd be in the redline zone....for approx 20mins (assuming you're a fast runner in a 5K :)).



Grrrr.... OK, once again, I'm not concerned with this so much for fat burning, as much as I'm just fascinated by the new information I'm learning :).



Yep, FBM shared this earlier.




Also mentioned previously, and realistically the goal to shoot for when doing what we do.




I will check it out later when I have some time. Thanks for the input.


Sorry about the misunderstanding, I wasnt clear, I was agreeing with you that the formula is way off for a lot of people.

[Ophus]

Finally got my good for nothing butt up and going after almost 2 months lay off.
3.3 miles
30min
169bpm avg.
184bpm max.

Seems pretty stupid to have stopped and lost so much fitness.

[dbx]

Sorry about the misunderstanding, I wasnt clear, I was agreeing with you that the formula is way off for a lot of people.

Oh, OK. Perhaps it ws me who didn't understand. NP.


Finally got my good for nothing butt up and going after almost 2 months lay off.
3.3 miles
30min
169bpm avg.
184bpm max.

Seems pretty stupid to have stopped and lost so much fitness.

That's a good run for me, that's for sure! I'm guessing your terrain is fairly flat? And damn, 169 avg.? Like I said, I realize it's all relative, but for some reason it's hard to accept :D. That's my peak BPM

[freebirdmac]

Just ran 3.8 miles with my youngest son again. It looks like we may make this a habit on Saturdays :). It's great having someone to run with! When you feel whipped, just knowing that someone next to you is also huffing and puffing makes me feel competitive somehow...I guess :).

Some new observations about HR:
Today was the first time I've run without caffeine in me since....almost 3yrs ago when I started running. No joke. Not having any, made my resting HR 10 BPM lower (it was approx 56 standing). This allowed me to actually run in or just a couple beats above the temperate zone (60%-70%) for 1/2mi before reaching the heart rate plateau I mentioned earlier. The first run up the hill found my HR 10 BPM lower without caffeine too. However, that all changed by the second lap. I spiked right on up to 165 on the hill in lap #2.

My avg HR for 3.2 miles was 137, and I'd estimate it to be right at a 10 min mile pace. My son wanted to test his max HR, and I wanted to see if I could re-verify mine was 175. So, after the 3.2 we both ran back .3mi and then sprinted in the last 100yrds or so. Indeed, I hit 170 again (to which you add 5 BPM to because of physical limitations after running a 5K) and he hit 198, which gives him 203....about what we figured when we tested him last night.

Anyway, boring stuff for most here probably, but interesting to others I hope :). Enjoy your weekends.

I'd have guessed caffeine would have had a 10 bpm or so effect based on what I've seen for myself. What's interesting is there may be a point of diminishing effect of the caffeine. If I understand right the second lap numbers were the same with and without caffeine. Makes me wonder the point of consuming caffeine for performance. I'd think you'd take it to get more performance out of the later part of the run rather than the first part.

[dbx]

I'd have guessed caffeine would have had a 10 bpm or so effect based on what I've seen for myself. What's interesting is there may be a point of diminishing effect of the caffeine. If I understand right the second lap numbers were the same with and without caffeine. Makes me wonder the point of consuming caffeine for performance. I'd think you'd take it to get more performance out of the later part of the run rather than the first part.

Oh, not only is there a point of diminishing return, but I've actually experienced the opposite effect as well; too much caffeine has made me breathless before. It shut me down quick and it felt like a bad case of fatigue. This is one reason why you'll see in my Bodyspace supp section where I mention using Shock Therapy when I run. It's because I find it tame, which= low caffeine. But still, it's probably almost 100mg per scoop.

And yes, you understood me perfectly. The second lap numbers were virtually the same with or without caffeine. This leads me to believe that caffeine simply elevates HR quicker, and maybe gets you to that plateau quicker. But the real test would be to see whether or not it effects/limits speed/pace. I would suspect it might. With caffeine causing say, just 10 BPM higher, I'd think you'd feel expended much faster whereas without it, you'd have the momentary "HR recovery" time advantage. In other words, say I climb the hill with caffeine and peak at 168. And as I decend back down the hill my HR is at 158 in a one minute window from peak. Now, without caffeine I hit the same peak of 168, but at the one minute mark I've recovered to 148 BPM.

At this level of anaerobic activity, I would think the caffeine would ultimately lead to fatigue faster. But ironically, it's what has always gotten me motivated to run :). I suppose experimenting and tracking smaller doses (say, 50mg) might be interesting, but for now I think I'll try to start running caffeine free.

I was going to chill today, and my right ankle feels sore from yesterday's run. But....I'm going to see if I can manage a mile or so. It's a sickness I tell ya! :)

[dbx]

Managed a little over 4 miles. 2.6 outdoors which included a combination of walking, jogging, running, and just one long sprint. My legs felt pretty beaten up after yesterday's run. I came in and went straight to the TM for approx 1.85 miles of speed walking. Time to chill now :).

[rpaul11]

my legs are killing me this week for some reason. I'm planning on switching up and doing a cross training cardio routine this week. Just different things than running. Probably the dreaded recumbant bike and the eliptical machine. Plus next sunday (leg day) I'm gonna cut back to 1/2 weight and do a condensed recovery routine and hopefully get back in the swing of things.

[thepainter5]

Today was my long run of the week, on the training schedule. When I first started out the legs felt ok but by the 1 mile mark I was experiencing some tightness in my right shin & knee. I adjusted my stride and pace which had me running at a slower pace than I wanted but it was likely closer to the fat burning HR pace.
As I continued on the tightness started to relax and I have one hill which I power up and it felt great doing so. When I was coming to the last mile I felt pretty good so I decided to go for the gusto and push myself farther today. 3/10's of a mile from home I pushed it as if headed to the finish line of a race. When all was said and done I had put in my 5 miles plus an extra 3.8 for a 8.8 run and my legs are feeling good. Hopefully they feel that way in the morning. ;)

[marmadukemas]

Good evening everyone, winter has returned to the NW and it puts a motivational damper on the desire to run. I'm planning to get out there tomorrow and put in my usual 5 miles, but also toying with the idea of just getting on my spin bike for an hour too. We'll see.


Finally got my good for nothing butt up and going after almost 2 months lay off.
3.3 miles
30min
169bpm avg.
184bpm max.

Seems pretty stupid to have stopped and lost so much fitness.

Nice job Ophus, way to push it, that max HR is really high though, and average seems kind of high too for 9min/miles. How'd you feel afterwards?


Managed a little over 4 miles. 2.6 outdoors which included a combination of walking, jogging, running, and just one long sprint. My legs felt pretty beaten up after yesterday's run. I came in and went straight to the TM for approx 1.85 miles of speed walking. Time to chill now :).

Nice work dbx, man you are more motivated than me, I could have never gotten myself on a TM after running outside. Good workout.


my legs are killing me this week for some reason. I'm planning on switching up and doing a cross training cardio routine this week. Just different things than running. Probably the dreaded recumbant bike and the eliptical machine. Plus next sunday (leg day) I'm gonna cut back to 1/2 weight and do a condensed recovery routine and hopefully get back in the swing of things.

I feel for you rpaul, I hate when I can't do my favorite cardio routines too. How'd it go with the surgeon? What's the prognisis?


Today was my long run of the week, on the training schedule. When I first started out the legs felt ok but by the 1 mile mark I was experiencing some tightness in my right shin & knee. I adjusted my stride and pace which had me running at a slower pace than I wanted but it was likely closer to the fat burning HR pace.
As I continued on the tightness started to relax and I have one hill which I power up and it felt great doing so. When I was coming to the last mile I felt pretty good so I decided to go for the gusto and push myself farther today. 3/10's of a mile from home I pushed it as if headed to the finish line of a race. When all was said and done I had put in my 5 miles plus an extra 3.8 for a 8.8 run and my legs are feeling good. Hopefully they feel that way in the morning. ;)

Awesome job working through the issues and logging 8.8 miles is great. That's fantastic progress towards your marathon. What's your milage plan for traning? going to gradually ramp up to 20+ before the race or got something else in mind?

[thepainter5]

.....Awesome job working through the issues and logging 8.8 miles is great. That's fantastic progress towards your marathon. What's your milage plan for traning? going to gradually ramp up to 20+ before the race or got something else in mind?
Thanks.
Actually I am training for 2 half marathons, one in May and the other in June. I may attempt a full marathon in October.
As for the training, it is a combination of ramping up the distance and working on the speed aspect.
Sunday's are longer runs at a sllower pace, where as the weekday runs do incorporate some speed work as well as gradually increasing the distance.
My goal is to run 13.1 consecutive miles at mid 8 minutes/mile.

[Bando]

Today was the first time I've run without caffeine in me since....almost 3yrs ago when I started running. No joke. Not having any, made my resting HR 10 BPM lower (it was approx 56 standing). This allowed me to actually run in or just a couple beats above the temperate zone (60%-70%) for 1/2mi before reaching the heart rate plateau I mentioned earlier. The first run up the hill found my HR 10 BPM lower without caffeine too. However, that all changed by the second lap. I spiked right on up to 165 on the hill in lap #2.

My avg HR for 3.2 miles was 137, and I'd estimate it to be right at a 10 min mile pace. My son wanted to test his max HR, and I wanted to see if I could re-verify mine was 175. So, after the 3.2 we both ran back .3mi and then sprinted in the last 100yrds or so. Indeed, I hit 170 again (to which you add 5 BPM to because of physical limitations after running a 5K) and he hit 198, which gives him 203....about what we figured when we tested him last night.

Are you still tobacco free? I've been fighting with my heart rate since my doc took me off of BP medication.

I was out of town this weekend at a hotel that had a treadmill with a TV built in, as much as I love trail running, watching "flip this house" (which I've never seen before/no cable) was a cool experience. It wasn't exercise, it was entertainment, my wife did 1/2 hr elliptical with me next to her on the treadmill, I could get hooked on that.

[rpaul11]

I feel for you rpaul, I hate when I can't do my favorite cardio routines too. How'd it go with the surgeon? What's the prognisis?



well, it's not that I can't...and at some point I probably will :D Just gonna tone it down for a week.

Things went well with the surgeon. He wants me to stay away from free weights for a few more months but said start with no more than 80 lb 2 arm machine curls...and work up from there. If I can do 3 sets of 10 the weight is fine. Basically no heavy work for a while...but moving right along.

[dbx]

my legs are killing me this week for some reason.

I'm sure there's a simple reason for this happening, but I'll be damned if I've figured it out yet :). I took soaked my legs in a hot bath for about 20mins last night. Just doing a few sprints for 2 consecutive days....damn, kinda makes me feel my age :eek:.


When all was said and done I had put in my 5 miles plus an extra 3.8 for a 8.8 run and my legs are feeling good. Hopefully they feel that way in the morning.

Man, that's just awesome, especially after starting out like you did :cool:


Are you still tobacco free? I've been fighting with my heart rate since my doc took me off of BP medication.

Yes, just passed the 5mth mark! I still can't believe it. It was a part of me for 3/4 of my entire life. I suppose there are genetics you can't run from without meds, and HBP may be one of them. I guess I was lucky, lol, if you can call it that. Had to leave work early one day back in 03' to go see a doc, as I was feeling kinda...strange...and had to do something about it because I'd felt it several times before. Felt like my brain was floating or something (yes, I know that technically it is floating). You know how they do the basics before you see the doc? The nurse says, "Mr. dbx, I think we've found your problem." My BP was 224/124 :eek:. No ****, on the edge of strokeville. My cholesterol was 290 also. I had a very stressful job and drank heavily. Long story shorter: I left the industry, quit boozing, was already eating fairly healthy and exercising. As soon as I did those things.. BP is normal, chol is under 200, feel like a champ. And I also supplemented with caffeine all this time although, I've just this week stopped using it to run with.



I was out of town this weekend at a hotel that had a treadmill with a TV built in, as much as I love trail running, watching "flip this house" (which I've never seen before/no cable) was a cool experience. It wasn't exercise, it was entertainment, my wife did 1/2 hr elliptical with me next to her on the treadmill, I could get hooked on that.

I'm surprised you like it that much. It's an acquired taste for most of us :D. I'm also[i] used to doing the same. It makes the time go by quick when there's something decent on TV. I have a flat screen LCD on the wall in front of my TM. And as "free" as outdoor running is, a TM is much kinder on my joints.


Things went well with the surgeon. He wants me to stay away from free weights for a few more months but said start with no more than 80 lb 2 arm machine curls...and work up from there. If I can do 3 sets of 10 the weight is fine. Basically no heavy work for a while...but moving right along.

(in Church Lady voice) - Well, isn't that convenient? :rolleyes:

To each his own, but as me and others told you in a main forum thread you started before, your doctor will have you lifting pink DBs for another 3yrs if [i]you let him. Damn, I wish I still had my journal for you to see where I was working out to some extent just one week after my first shoulder surgery. I insisted on running and my doc just warned that it may aggravate my shoulder, but other than that it shouldn't do any damage. He botched about me squatting only because of the way you have to hold the bar. What did I do? I learned to pretty much squat with only one hand really grabbing the bar with only fingers touching for balance on the other side. Get your ass in the gym :p

[rpaul11]

To each his own, but as me and others told you in a main forum thread you started before, your doctor will have you lifting pink DBs for another 3yrs if you let him. Damn, I wish I still had my journal for you to see where I was working out to some extent just one week after my first shoulder surgery. I insisted on running and my doc just warned that it may aggravate my shoulder, but other than that it shouldn't do any damage. He botched about me squatting only because of the way you have to hold the bar. What did I do? I learned to pretty much squat with only one hand really grabbing the bar with only fingers touching for balance on the other side. Get your ass in the gym :p

damn man..I;ve been in the gym :D I'll be fine...trust me. I can get in a good workout for now on the machines. It has only been 3 months since it was re attached. He said after 6 absoloutely anything I want is fine.

[runner05]

Long story shorter: I left the industry, quit boozing, was already eating fairly healthy and exercising. As soon as I did those things.. BP is normal, chol is under 200, feel like a champ.

Awesome, Kev! :)



Get your ass in the gym :p
Get YOUR azz over to my journal and give me your thoughts and ideas for improvement! :p I'm missing some serious tuff luvin over there... :o

[rpaul11]

Get YOUR azz over to my journal and give me your thoughts and ideas for improvement! :p I'm missing some serious tuff luvin over there... :o

you mean like gettiing more protein for breakfst than a handfull of almonds :rolleyes:

[runner05]

you mean like gettiing more protein for breakfst than a handfull of almonds :rolleyes:

Yep! :D Probably still have to get that protein shake in there or something... :o I'm working on it... I hate mornings though...

[dbx]

Awesome, Kev! :)

Get YOUR azz over to my journal and give me your thoughts and ideas for improvement! :p I'm missing some serious tuff luvin over there... :o

Thanks :). And I didn't know you had a journal, but I don't even venture in there anymore. I posted in a few a couple of weeks back, but that's about it. But OK, I'll find it and give you hell...er...show some love ;)