Let me teach you a little something [Archive]

C Man

03-11-2008, 10:37 PM

That post can be picked apart in so many ways it's laughable.

Sure the more expensive stuff from Elite, Sorinex, etc. is made from heavier gauge steel. That doesn't make it 'better' for the typical home user. Most people won't ever test the limits of a Powertec, Body Solid, or similar cage. You don't need a commercial dump truck to pick up a few 50 lb bags of sand from the local lawn & garden store.

While most pieces of commercial equipment do have more of their joints fully welded, you'll still see plenty of nuts and bolts holding the pieces together. These pieces of equipment also see much more use and abuse in one month than a piece of equipment in a home gym will see in its lifetime. To suggest that you shouldn't get a piece of equipment because you have to assemble yourself is ludicrously stupid, but then so is the entire post.

I'm sure whatever the $15,000 was spent on looks and works quite well, but I'm also sure that your physique doesn't look $15,000 better than it would using a much less expensive setup.

GimpyPaw

03-11-2008, 10:57 PM

I used up 3 reps in this thread, 2 positive and one negative. See if you can guess who got what? ;)

Skidmarx

03-12-2008, 02:16 AM

Where's the pics of this amazing home gym?

KSA

03-12-2008, 05:00 AM

On the Hammer Strenght equipment, there are plenty of nuts and bolts and it's a commercial equipment !

albowrx

03-12-2008, 05:58 AM

Ignorant post! Sure, everyone can afford to dump 15k on a real commercial set!

BigDogIt

03-12-2008, 06:03 AM

Bartleb you stand corrected. The best piece of gym equipment you can own is your brain, of which you obviously are in short supply of.

911medic

03-12-2008, 06:07 AM

Bartleb you stand corrected. The best piece of gym equipment you can own is your brain, of which you obviously are in short supply of.
Made me LOL.....repped

FNULNU

03-12-2008, 06:34 AM

about gym equipment.
first off i dont wanna sound like im arrogant but trust me i spent 2 years building a flawless gym i know something about this stuff......
heres the ONLY thing u need to know
if you buy something, anything i dont care if its a rack or a seated calf machine.....NEVER get anything u have to assemble urself....
all real equipment comes welded together on a pallet with no assembly required. i made that mistake and let me tell you, anything you buy for your home gym not purchased on Elitefts.com is no more than a gigantic waste of money that wont last u more than 4 years. isnt it worth paying more for something thats made 10000 times better? i dont get why u people puump up powertec. its made of 14 gage steel and plastic.
my rack is made of 7 gage steel from hammerstrength. granted i may have spent 15 grand plus on my gym but honestly, if ur gunna skimp on a powerrack u have no business working out at home

http://uploads.neowin.net/forum/post-21440-1142223479.gif

ctgblue

03-12-2008, 06:44 AM

negged, a rare one
your condescending tone from someone unknown and unproven, with no pics, is not required here
not everyone has $3k to spend on a power rack for a home gym
I have traveled and visited multiple equipment manufacturers of commercial equipment, pricing out a REAL gym, but I still understand that MOST people here do not have the means to spend more than a few grand TOTAL on en entire home gym, including treadmill and strength equipment

why do people hype powertec when it is a soso gym at best?

because it is the best MOST of them can afford and is better than the Dicks/Oshmans/Sports Authority crap at a similar price point

Kion

03-12-2008, 06:45 AM

Sure... you need to spend 15000 on a home gym for it to be decent. I've spent one percent of what you supposedly did and can probably get the same level of workout. I may not be as possible strong as you are, but it still get my ass handed to me during my workouts. I'm not recommending that most people go the route that I did, but a workout is a workout, weight is weight.

RHINO240

03-12-2008, 01:10 PM

hey i didnt mean to come off as condescending, u all seem like nice guys.
bro seriously though i highly doubt u get the same workout as me. i wish i could agree with ur point because i realize the point u are trying to make "you work out as hard as you can and its all you need" but lets be honest....it would take you no joke 3 hours to work out your lower back the conventional method in the time it takes me to do it with my reverse hyper.....
you can do leg curls for 2 hours and you wont get the same effect id get using my glute ham for 30 seconds.
u can do tbar rows in the corner until the cows come home, you wont isolate ur back and lats the way i do with the chest supported row.....
you can do pull ups all day it wont be the same as using a lat tower with a 300lb weightstack and a dozen attachments

im not trying to sound like a you know what here, but i just hate it when people try to make a point by "standing up for the average joe" and convincing himself its right.....dude perfect analogy, i drive an acura tl and im quite happy with it, but you sure as hell dont see me going up to my buddy with the bentley and telling him mine is just as good as yours. hed laugh at me

again im not being antagonistic im just proving a point based on fact, not tugging on people's heartstrings.
but yes the rest of you are all right, i learned an important lesson once from a very good powerlifter. he said dont pay attention to machines, just lift weights!
glad to be here guys
I'm glad you are here too - douche bag. Powertec rules!

GearTripper

03-12-2008, 01:11 PM

Funny thing... I used to have a few pieces of Hammer Strength equipment in my home gym and now I have some Powertec. :)

Kion

03-12-2008, 01:23 PM

I don't deny that machines can have a part in any home gym but for many people, basic equipment is all that they need to see results. Some of us simply have different amounts of resources to spend on equipment and have to make do. It's alright to talk about how great ones gym is, but to say you are the end all of end all knowledge about gyms leads itself to sound arrogant.

jay415

03-12-2008, 01:29 PM

jfindon

03-12-2008, 01:42 PM

Hahaha, what an idiot. You're probably fat.

swa513

03-12-2008, 01:43 PM

about gym equipment.
first off i dont wanna sound like im arrogant but trust me i spent 2 years building a flawless gym i know something about this stuff......
heres the ONLY thing u need to know
if you buy something, anything i dont care if its a rack or a seated calf machine.....NEVER get anything u have to assemble urself....
all real equipment comes welded together on a pallet with no assembly required. i made that mistake and let me tell you, anything you buy for your home gym not purchased on Elitefts.com is no more than a gigantic waste of money that wont last u more than 4 years. isnt it worth paying more for something thats made 10000 times better? i dont get why u people puump up powertec. its made of 14 gage steel and plastic.
my rack is made of 7 gage steel from hammerstrength. granted i may have spent 15 grand plus on my gym but honestly, if ur gunna skimp on a powerrack u have no business working out at home
k loser, let me guess ur 5,2" & 110lbs & you need all that extra strength to keep you safe from the massive 10lb plates you use

phail=you

Bluerain

03-12-2008, 03:17 PM

What's a chest supported row ?

Is that when you lay your chest on the bench and do rows ?

Thanks :)

Blue

albowrx

03-12-2008, 03:33 PM

you can do leg curls for 2 hours and you wont get the same effect id get using my glute ham for 30 seconds.
u can do tbar rows in the corner until the cows come home, you wont isolate ur back and lats the way i do with the chest supported row.....
you can do pull ups all day it wont be the same as using a lat tower with a 300lb weightstack and a dozen attachments
Right, you are so big and strong! have you looked at the equipment Arnold used to work out with?! Not to say that he got that body mostly from the weights, but... The thing is that, you have to use what you got, and if you work at it, anyone could have a better body than your 15k gym! Did you ever ask yourself, how bodybuilders from third world countries, build their bodies with?? If you search on here, there was this Nigerian that was working out with axles and concrete-wheels and he had a better body than most of people here! Just shows that it doesn`t matter how much you spend on the damn equipment, but if you use it or not!!!

albowrx

03-12-2008, 03:34 PM

What's a chest supported row ?

Is that when you lay your chest on the bench and do rows ?

Thanks :)

BlueYou made a funny... :)

Werloc

03-12-2008, 04:33 PM

Yeah, I'm new here. I just couldn't help but say this forum may take me on a wild ride. This thread just about made me piss my pants laughing...:D

http://www.werloc.com/images/mouselaugh.gif

Bluerain

03-12-2008, 05:59 PM

You made a funny... :)

The new poster here who's ranting said he does chest supported rows and they the best and t-bar rows are a waste. Of course i don't believe it but what are chest suported rows?

A Funny ..I'm confused ?

He's correct about the GHR's tho ..i know i do them and they are the best when done correctly and HARD !!

It's just using the bench and rowing ..Yes ?

Blue

PS:Here's his quote..
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Originally Posted by Bartelb
you can do leg curls for 2 hours and you wont get the same effect id get using my glute ham for 30 seconds.
u can do tbar rows in the corner until the cows come home, you wont isolate ur back and lats the way i do with the chest supported row.....
you can do pull ups all day it wont be the same as using a lat tower with a 300lb weightstack and a dozen attachments

ATVMX

03-12-2008, 06:24 PM

Shouldn't you be helping your clients with a lawsuit or something? I always thought lawyers and politicians were the best liars. From your posts, it sure looks like it.

Skidmarx

03-12-2008, 06:28 PM

lol

Nice troll.

Guys around here can get defensive about their home equipment.

Nuttin' beats real commercial equipment(yeah guys, not even Powertec :/ ), but most of us don't have that kinda dough to dish out.

It's that simple.

Bluerain

03-12-2008, 06:30 PM

Yeah i figured it was this... When i go to the gym ( Not much anymore cause i workout at home mostly now ) i do these sometimes .I don't know if they are better then t-bar rows but hey mixing it up can't hurt.

Blue

http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/chestsupport1.jpg

smokeater

03-12-2008, 06:39 PM

first off i dont wanna sound like im arrogant but trust me i spent 2 years building a flawless gym i know something about this stuff......
Well you come across as an arrogant jackass to be honest. 2 years? Big deal. I've been in the business for 6 years and there are guys here who have been in the home equipment area longer than that.

heres the ONLY thing u need to know
if you buy something, anything i dont care if its a rack or a seated calf machine.....NEVER get anything u have to assemble urself....
all real equipment comes welded together on a pallet with no assembly required.
So that rules out most pieces of equipment. Unless you have patio doors leading directly to your gym, or are prepared to knock out a wall, your idea is completely unrealistic. I've had trouble getting some welded equipment into freight elevators. And you want to put this into residential homes, with 3 foot doorways?

i made that mistake and let me tell you, anything you buy for your home gym not purchased on Elitefts.com is no more than a gigantic waste of money that wont last u more than 4 years.
In other words this is just a sales pitch for your website? 4 years? Are you just making that up? I've heard a lot of random numbers thrown around, where do you get 4 from? My residentially designed power rack, lat pulldown, calf raise, and bench have survived more than 4 years and are in perfect working condition. I know because I check them with carpenter levels and squares regularly.

dont get why u people puump up powertec. its made of 14 gage steel and plastic.
Um, no it isn't. It's 12 gauge steel and I'm not sure what you're looking at, but I see no plastic components of the Powertec Power rack. Unless you are making reference to the rubber slip on covers for the chin up bar, which have absolutely nothing to do with the unit's construction.

my rack is made of 7 gage steel from hammerstrength. granted i may have spent 15 grand plus on my gym but honestly, if ur gunna skimp on a powerrack u have no business working out at home
hahaha, are you joking? I've spent $10k on my home gym and most of my equipment is residential equipment. Do you expect people to believe that you can fully outfit a home gym with the equipment you're making reference to, including Hammer Strength which is one of the most expensive brands on the market?, for $15k? Who are you kidding?

smokeater

03-12-2008, 06:52 PM

yea its all good no hard feelings.
im actually five ten and about 200 and i wont lie im not as cut as i used to be im still solid no flab but i used to have one of those beach bodies now im more in it for power. my total jumped from like 1100 to 1450 since i started working out at home last year.
Why don't you go to the exercise or powerlifting section of this site and dazzle them with your claims.

cant believe how antagonistic u guys are but im still not apologizing, and i understand the point you make about arnold and the guys who train with logs and boulders and get jacked but are you seriously going to tell me that you're getting the same training experience as me with no reverse hyper and no glute ham and no specialty bars, bands, chains, prowler etc? if so its not worth me being here, as i bet my life 90 percent of you dont even know what westside is....
If you're not getting results with simple barbells and dumbbells, then you won't get results with the fanciest equipment money can buy. I have yet to see the exception to this rule.

im actually used to it though, people being jealous and thinking im a dick when all i did was state a fact, its a fact that my gym was over 15 grand, heres a question for you, if i was to say that my gym cost 150 dollars and i drove a pinto would you think i was a nice guy then??? in reality im a pretty nice guy in person but see people look at pretty much every aspect of my life and get defensive right away and assume im a dick, im not gunna lie, i live in the richest part of the new york, i come from money, i was a lawyer at 24 years old and had my own firm by 27, i drive a 7 series and my girlfriend looks like an underwear model....i bet you guys really hate me now and are probly gunna talk trash about me when im again just stating facts....wooo hooo lol by the way none of that is a lie, even though ull probably say it is to make ur measly lives seem better just by convincing urselves that people like me dont exist....
Buddy, don't worry, nobody is jealous of you. This is the internet and there have been many trolls long before you who have claimed just about everything you did.

its cool though im not looking to make cyber friends, and i like being the bad guy lol

So a highly successful laywer, who makes all this money, with a great girlfriend... and you have nothing better to do than come onto an internet website and try to be "the bad guy"? I don't know many lawyers who put sentences together as poorly as you do.

smokeater

03-12-2008, 06:54 PM

and again not to sound like an arrogant @ss but, someone said something before about me being an authority on this stuff....as arrogant as it sounds, based on the fact that i actually trained at westside over a dozen times, ive been in over 2 dozen meets and my total is probably better than any 2 people on here combined, id say yea, that pretty much gives me authority staus here and when i say something anything, ud be damned sure ur gunna benefit from listening. again, this is all fact not opinion,

What is your name? I'm sure Westside gets a lot of lawyers at their gym so you'll probably be familiar to them. Give me your name so I can confirm who you are and what you claim is true. If you are the real deal, you'll have no problem doing this. That way we know you're not another blowhard on the internet who is spending too much time on mom's computer and not enough time looking for a job.

Jell0

03-12-2008, 07:07 PM

blue rain that is a chest supported row, its similar to a tbar row but does not put stress on ur back....

yea im sorry if i came off as arrogant but i take that stuff seriously....
its not that much, the rack was 3grand, the lat was 2, reverse hyper 1500, glute ham was 1000 and chest supported row was 1000, bench was 500, 435 hyper was 400, 90 hyper was 300, the bars came to about 2000 total, so yea it came to about 17 total, the real money was on the plates and dummbells....

Well I wish I had that kind of money but I don't so that's why i have a powertec rack, but hey if I hit the Powerball tonight i'll sure go check that out.

PowerD

03-12-2008, 07:11 PM

I have 130,000 worth of life fitness/hammerstrength that i workout on, at a gym, and a free membership. man, im stupid.

Accutron

03-12-2008, 08:06 PM

, im not gunna lie, i live in the richest part of the new york, i come from money, i was a lawyer at 24 years old and had my own firm by 27, i drive a 7 series and my girlfriend looks like an underwear model....

LOL...

smokeater

03-12-2008, 08:25 PM

i dont have to prove myself to anyone.
Trolls never do!

billy

03-12-2008, 09:17 PM

this is the last post ill give, and im sure you'll all have fun after this, i dont have to prove myself to anyone.
and to that guy who says he can get the same effect from using barbells as opposed to bands and chains and the reverse hyper and glute ham, god bless you.

If you don't have to prove yourself to anyone then why are you telling us you trained at Westside and have all kinds of experience behind you?

I'm sure guys like Ed Coan, Dr. Fred Hatfield, Paul Anderson, and Bill Kazmaier never used all these specialize equipment you talk about that is so necessary but that didn't seem to stop them from being some of the greatest strength athletes ever.

albowrx

03-12-2008, 09:27 PM

The new poster here who's ranting said he does chest supported rows and they the best and t-bar rows are a waste. Of course i don't believe it but what are chest suported rows?

A Funny ..I'm confused ?

He's correct about the GHR's tho ..i know i do them and they are the best when done correctly and HARD !!

It's just using the bench and rowing ..Yes ?

Blue

PS:Here's his quote..
---------------------------------------------------------------
Originally Posted by Bartelb
you can do leg curls for 2 hours and you wont get the same effect id get using my glute ham for 30 seconds.
u can do tbar rows in the corner until the cows come home, you wont isolate ur back and lats the way i do with the chest supported row.....
you can do pull ups all day it wont be the same as using a lat tower with a 300lb weightstack and a dozen attachmentsLOL, I thought you were being sarcastic.

albowrx

03-12-2008, 09:40 PM

man if u were in front of me right now ud kiss my ass like everyone else does lolSo, you`re saying that you`re probably stronger than guys that lift like most powerlifters??!! You`re a freaking retard if you think so. That`s real power in the real world! I also believe that you`re a f`in 14yr old kid that sorta ran into this site when he was searching on the intra-web about putting on some weight. If you`re standing in front of me, you`ll only be standing for a couple of more seconds.

Brother Steel

03-12-2008, 10:11 PM

man if u were in front of me right now ud kiss my ass like everyone else does lol

Strong in this one is neg strength!

Brother Steel

03-12-2008, 10:56 PM

Skidmarx

03-13-2008, 02:10 AM

This guy is probably some punk kid with a flimsy assed weider bench. :D

You guys are suckers.

coloradokevin

03-13-2008, 03:05 AM

im actually used to it though, people being jealous and thinking im a dick when all i did was state a fact, its a fact that my gym was over 15 grand, heres a question for you, if i was to say that my gym cost 150 dollars and i drove a pinto would you think i was a nice guy then??? in reality im a pretty nice guy in person but see people look at pretty much every aspect of my life and get defensive right away and assume im a dick, im not gunna lie, i live in the richest part of the new york, i come from money, i was a lawyer at 24 years old and had my own firm by 27, i drive a 7 series and my girlfriend looks like an underwear model....i bet you guys really hate me now and are probly gunna talk trash about me when im again just stating facts....wooo hooo lol by the way none of that is a lie, even though ull probably say it is to make ur measly lives seem better just by convincing urselves that people like me dont exist....
its cool though im not looking to make cyber friends, and i like being the bad guy lol

I'm calling 100% bull****.

You, sir, are a liar and a fake. Any lawyer worth a **** ought to be able to articulate themselves far more eloquently than you do! Also, before you run on with another self-absorbed tirade, I could care less if your egocentric and juvenile delusions of grandeur help you sleep at night... Because, honestly, you've contributed nothing of value to this board at this point!

I was neutral on your posts until I read this latest antagonistic piece of run-on garbage.

Prove up! You are a liar.

this is the last post ill give, and im sure you'll all have fun after this, i dont have to prove myself to anyone..

Yet, you keep posting???

You also seem hell-bent on proving yourself to anyone who will listen. A bit of a self esteem issue here or something? Honestly, for a hot-shot owner of a prominent law firm, you certainly seem awfully concerned about what a few strangers thing on the internet.

In short: You are a troll.

Have a nice day!!!

albowrx

03-13-2008, 05:38 AM

nice sig man ur right i probly would get knocked out when 199 of ur cousins are standing behind you with baseball bats lol i know how you rollThan you don`t know ****, dumbbass. If you were a lawyer, you woudn`t come in here and stir **** up like you are. Get your troll, little ass outta here. Surprisingly for a lawyer, you have a lot of spare time in your hands. Your practice must really suck! Have two lawyers in my family, and they don`t even have time to scratch their ass. One of them also has their own practice.

albowrx

03-13-2008, 05:40 AM

Well put ColoradoKevin!

buening

03-13-2008, 06:41 AM

Any lawyer worth a **** ought to be able to articulate themselves far more eloquently than you do!

My thoughts exactly. Note to self: Don't hire this guy as a lawyer when my ass is on the line, he can't even win an internet argument so I'd hate to see what happens in a real court :p

jay415

03-13-2008, 06:46 AM

actually i do know enough to know that ur stereotyped as being cowards who fight 12 on 1. thats a fact by the way and its not like im saying ur mother wears army boots, anyone on the street will tell u the same thing and u know it too if it upsets u im sorry.
yea you know a lot about my career. im 28 and i work 18 hour days half the time, i cant actually believe you're questioning my being a lawyer like id make something like that up. first time that ever happened lol because in person no one doubts me, but yea ur right, i didnt pass the new york bar on my first try at age 24 in new york and conn and score a 152 on the multistate and graduate with honors on law review and have my third year thesis published in 3 magazines, you must be right because after all im online at 11pm talking about my hobby something ive been doing since i was 13 for 2 hours a night every night. and yea because i write in internet slang, it must mean i didnt pass the bar and be able to try cases and own my own practice because i choose to write u instead of you. you guys are like sherlock holmes over here i love it.
im not even offended, im actually flattered.
ur right though i should leave this site. you even trying to compare with me or anything i own or do is like when my 17 year old brothers friends steal a glance at my girlfriend when shes in the pool, it actually makes me feel good, just like it makes me feel good right now to know some morons probly from some towns in the midwest and canada who make 20-40 grand a year look upon what i do with such awe they have to convince themselves it must be a lie.
remind me again ...who are you not trying to impress?